What's the SECRET to singing well? It's something MOST people ignore!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
- Tonight we're taking a look at Josh from Greta Van Fleet and answering an age old singing question!
PERFORMANCE VIDEO - • Video
TIME STAMPS -
0:00 Intro
1:07 Performance
1:57 Analysis
2:43 The Range Misconception
6:49 Vocal Classifications
9:40 Josh’s Seamless Transitions
10:13 Limited Range is the Norm
14:48 What Does it All Mean?
19:09 Range Works BOTH Ways
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So true. As a baritone whose favourites are mostly tenors , I can often get away with well developed head and mixed voices, but some songs just won’t come right unless I take them down. Feels a bit like cheating, but the bottom line is that the singer has to serve the song, or the performance is pointless
Josh is a young talented singer. I do love this group. Thanks for explaining how singing in your natural range is so important. Thanks, Fil. for this analysis!
The guitarist is also great in this group. You should see him jamming during group practice. When they were all growing up they said their dream is to be in a group. Josh' favourite group is Led Zeppelin the group that ruled the 70s. I also dream of being in a rock n roll group. The cool kids at high school belong to a group. Getting the feel of all this? LOL
@@TheChristOfRockNRoll Yes. I saw them when they came on the scene. I believe they are managed by the brother's father. I was immediately enamored.
There is a lot of talent there for sure but I just can't seem to get into the band and it is mainly because I can't seem to get past the originality and authenticity thing. My problem not theirs though.
GVF is an outstanding. Progressive rock band. Josh has a fabulous voice and it is his instrument. All 4 of these young men play multiple instruments and write their music. Thank you for analyzing Josh. The music is often even better live and in concert.
Fascinating info, thanks! You’re right, Josh is a very talented singer.
I would love to hear you analyze one of their recent songs because it’s been 6 years since “Black Smoke Rising” was released. Maybe “Meeting the Master” which is a single from their upcoming album.
This host is a very articulate guy. I've recently discovered your work. It's very good. Keep it up.
This is such an old clip from when their were still teens - about the same time there was all that LZ rip of stuff. Would you be able to do a singing or musical analysis of a later song? Age of Machine, Broken Bells Heat Above? Josh has one gift apart from the placement of his head voice but an incredible breath control. He is just a kid here. I think he is 26 now. Thanks Fil.
I can barely understand a word he is singing. And, as for you, an absolutely wonderful explanation of voice range & control.
This was a nice surprise! The first song I ever heard from GVF was "My Way, Soon". Great song and vocals by Josh. It certainly has that 70's rock vibe going on. I also enjoyed your explanations and examples of vocal range. Great advice and analysis Fil! 😊🎸🎵
It was an excellent analysis! Thank you for explaining voice range in more detail. I enjoyed your voice and guitar demonstrations too!
Hi Fil,
Great explanation of what is going on with Josh’s voice in this song. And how important it is to sing in the range that is best for your particular voice and style. What works for one person may not work for another. Thanks for the Capo explanation too, still trying to master barre chords, but overall doing better and better. Josh certainly has an interesting vocal ability, sound and technique. And thanks for helping us understand it better. Have a great night… Debbie☮️
Great analysis Fil...josh is very unique! Love hearing you break down videos such as this. ☺️
See you tomorrow on the Livestream!🌷
Good analysis, Fil! Your vocalizing and guitar demo really help us understand what’s happening better.
A Fantastic analysis on the singing with Josh's voice & range ....Appreciate you Bro and the way you present all. You are one classy fella!💫 & You Always present a excellent view with your strategic unique point of view & of what needs noticing!
Always a perfect analysis in every vlog friend. Luv&Peace Fil! & Cheers to continued success & know that you are helping so many people's! This Our favorite TH-cam Channel! : )💛✌🏼🍻 Ty.
Thanks for the kind words!
Never heard of him. Unique voice for sure. Interesting analysis again . Thanks Fil😊🎼🎶🎵
Been a while since I've looked at your channel Fil Ive been a fan of Greta since they first appeared from Michigan their new song falling Sky is a great song
Love this analysis and instruction on range! I learn so much from your videos. Thanks a million!
i absolutely LOVE GVF!!!!! thank you for doing this!!!! love your analysis ❤️
I like GVF and you coverage of them since you don't fall into the LZ trap most people try to pigeonhole them into.
I really liked the comments about singing since I'm starting to sing. I've carried psychological baggage with my voice from childhood, and unfortunately it's already transmitted to my daughters. But we can joke about it now, and your pitch monitoring software is much nicer than my choir teachers.
Or Rush trap! Josh has been sounding more like 1970's Geddy Lee to me as of late.
@@charliesaucier3352 Good point. I almost jumped when he started singing since it sounded different, almost forced. But if they want to copy somebody, Rush would be well worth it.
Love how you smile when he starts singing.
As a non-musician, I really appreciated your explanation of vocal ranges, using the keyboard graphic and your guitar. As usual, you explain things so clearly and simply that I'm able to easily understand. I always learn something new from your videos. 😊
So, 10/10 for the video...1/10 for the song. I've never heard anything by them before, and that's a voice you definitely have to prepare yourself for. Not my cup of tea. 😆
Hello, Fil..another discovery,,..but it's you who shines..!!🧚💌yes..brilliant.! Super shape, Fil.. dear Love. 🎸🤘👑
Fil, you make music theory incredibly understandable. This is so helpful, especially since so many of us in bands have to play covers. Thank you, once again! And someone else said this, but yes, I want to hear you sing this song!
Great analysis Fil. Spot on as usual. Think this is older song. Their first hit” Highway Tune, was great, but they took so much heat because they were compared to Zepplin. They tried to break away with Broken Bell & Light My Love, Tears of Rain, which I think are good songs. I give them kudos for trying to keep rock alive. Think they are talented musicians, but this isn’t their best song for sure, but glad young people are giving them a listen. Thanks Fil!
Ok, but this performance was recorded 6 years ago and his voice has changed a lot since then, since he is working on these with a vocal coach, it would be more interesting to see your analysis of his performances in the last 2-3 years
hmm....just proves his point a little more, huh?
@@imchuckbass4757 it's like a point of view on the grace of extinct dinosaurs, lol , the point of view on the changed\the disappeared intangible substance can be considered obsolete, isn't it
I don't think this video is show the talents of Josh. It is to teach something about singing.
Thanks Fil. What an informative session. I've learnt a valuable lesson here. Keep up the good work mate.
Thank you for this analysis. You do a great job of explaining things in a way I, as a non-musician, can understand. I'm seeing GVF on July 27 in Fort Worth. I can't wait to hear this fantastic group live.
I'm mostly a rock fan but I think one of the best singers I ever heard is Anita Baker. Have you ever done an analysis of her singing? Thanks
Mind blown. That was the best and simple explanation of range I've heard. You are a great teacher.
You nailed this explanation, Fil. It makes much more sense now. Thanks!
Thank you for another very educational video. You always explain everything so well. It is always enjoyable for me personally and I gain a broader understanding of music.
As always, ure analys is something else! Love it. This group has just started...peace out♥
An intricate lesson! Fil takes offers insight so far beyond what we interpret while listening to music. Thank you Fil...Brilliant as ever.
Thanks!
I'd rather hear you sing this. Although he is talented w/great accompanying acoustic guitars, I like your voice.
It's so cool to see Z93 featured on a review video, it's the main rock station where I live in central Michigan. (I remember when the station advertised that the band would be live in the studio). The band grew up in a small town not far from Saginaw, where the station is located. GVF is a great addition to the amazing bands/artists that have started here in Michigan. It's so interesting to see the breakdown of Josh's voice. Thanks for the review!
Interesting analysis. Perfectly understandable. I enjoyed this. Thank you.
I have been learning so much from you, Fil! Have you ever listened to Alan Wilson singing “Going Up The Country” (the band is Canned Heat)? I would love to understand what he is doing that makes his vocals so very unusual and so very beautiful.
Great explanation! Well done.
Great analysis as always, Fil 🤘🏾
This was a great analysis and explanation. Thank you.
You really do need to find your range, Then you will be able to go high or low with no difficulty. I find that range is good but more important is to be in Key maybe a little sharp or flat but cover that with vibrato. Thank you Fil!
Hi Fil- thank you for this! i did vocal range testing, and came in at D2-F4- at my best. So basically a Bass with 2 octaves. But I am older, so that makes some sense too! Now I need to identify songs within a 2 octave range lol
Thanks for this video!!!
Guess everything is relative, as the sound after this simple range change of song to vocals -- and add (in this example) some top distortion. Interesting audio effect.
VERY NICE ANALYSIS, FIL. ALL OF YOUR ANAYLIS ARE FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. ❤ PERSONALLY, I THOUGHT GRETA VAN FLEET WAS A BAND I LIKED, BUT AFTER HEARING THIS... NOT SO MUCH. I DID LEARN AS A VOCALIST, STAY WITHIN YOUR NATURAL SINGING VOICE AND DON'T PUSH WHAT ISN'T NATURAL.
Awesome!! I will take this advice to heart.
This was my first time hearing this band. His voice is unique. I heard Anthony Kiedis in his voice as well as Robert Plant. Thanks for the explanation of how a singer can change octaves on a song so that its in their range. Thanks.🖤🤘
Julzy wow you're so right about hearing Robert Plant and Anthony Kiedis. Amazing voice!
@@maryv4363 thanks!
Love GVF; they are familiar and uniquely fresh at the same time. Love your analysis and insight. This channel is still my fav! Do you ever travel across the pond?
Have done as a youngster but not since then!
The portion of the video about manipulating the range for other voice types is quite insightful...and I'll leave it at that :)
I would love an hour to sit down and talk music with you. Your amazing with you’re knowledge. I listen to music most hours of the day. All kinds.
Well done, Fil. Your desire to clarify for folks who don't get this point and self-criticize for the wrong reasons is admirable, as is your execution, which should make it plain. I don't have much of a range, but I can optimize it by transposiition. Understanding this makes my shower singing far less painful for those who unfortunately might hear it!
the master at work!
Good info that encourages all singers to sing in their own range and transpose the keys of songs they may want to cover. We all sound better when we respect our own range.
Thanks for the explanation. Always interesting.
As an amateur "barritone with some range", singing in cover bands, it was always difficult to get some bandmates to understand I simply could not cover certain tenor singers / songs unless the tenor happened to be singing down low in his range on a song. Those songs were high but makeable in my barritone range and super easy for the original tenor. But they'd think you should be able to sing anything by that guy if you could do one song in his catalog. You gotta be born with it.
And I have to add - to me the key to singing well with range (besides practice and training) is relaxing the crap out of yourself to hit the high notes - not straining to hit them. Took me too long to realize that. Everyone wants to look like angry dramatic rock singer, gritting your teeth and popping your throat.... Looks cool, doesn't work very well though.
Thanks Fil!! I don't follow GVF too closely, but I was pretty impressed by them when they surfaced several years ago. Josh has an amazing vocal range, and some of the cover songs of Led Zeppelin stuff back in the early days were exceptional! Incidentally, I hope you made it to see *The Warning* at their headliner at O2 Academy! We want all the details!! Meet & Greet maybe?😄 Take care man!🤘😎🤘
Superb Analysis
Great stuff .
OK, so Josh doesn't have a wide vocal range - just a squeaky voice. Maybe he could do some Disney Princess voice-overs as a side-line.
Interesting analysis. Thanks.
At first hearing, I do not like his singing. But, I’ll listen to more of him before making a final decision.
I have had people tell me I should learn to sing a particular song in the original key. As Fil pointed out, sometimes it is just not possible. That is why the capo was invented I suppose, I will add as well that for those who might have been confused, you can move the capo up and still drop down to your lower range. You are first dropping down an octave from the original song and then moving up with the capo to find the key best suited to your voice. Another reason to use the capo is that open cords at times sound better/different from bar chords, or the shapes simply can't be reproduced in a bar chord.
Hey, Fil. Fascinating stuff, as always. Any chance of your having a look and analysis of Under The Milky Way by The Church? Their performance ot the song at their 2010 induction to the ARIA Hall of Fame is a good one.
Josh is still quite a young singer. He can hit high notes, in part, because of his voice, but also because of his age. As Josh ages, his voice will settle downward and won't continue to sound like this.
As for his vocal skills, he's still very green. He can sing and typically hit pitch on notes, but his vibrato and control is rough with his technique and execution sometimes wobbly. He can't always perform the vocal gyrations perfectly, yet. He'll learn how to do it over time, but he's still in that learning process.
In comparison, Robert Plant (who Josh is most compared to) hit the ground running with his technique, range and control almost fully formed upon joining Led Zeppelin. In comparison, Josh's vocal ideas are maybe 50% formed overall.
Agree, Robert Plant sang like an experienced and classic blues man on Zep I....Plant was otherworldly and continued throughout Zep history. One of the many reasons Zeppelin is the elite rock band still to this day. I believe Plant was 21 or 22 at the time of recording the debut in '68.
Robert Plant admits Josh is better. Also the twins are 26, and he’s still hitting the notes.
I think the comparisons I heard to Plant when I first heard this guy….. turned me off of him. I just don’t think he’s all that. Not yet anyway.
Comparisons CAN really hurt people, we learned a lot about this in Diversity Education. Like saying or assuming Asians are great at math. If you are that Asian who isn’t, life can be a real struggle. Not exactly the same thing but as with comparing a relative noob to an arguably iconic voice like Plant, is a real disservice to BOTH men IMHO.
He's 27. That is not really young for a rock singer.
@@DrnkTheWildAir Josh is still hitting the notes because he hasn't gone on tour as much as Plant in the same amount of time. Plant, on the other hand, was 19 when he joined Zep and was ~30 by the time _In Through the Out Door_ released, Led Zeppelin's 8th and final studio album.
GVF has barely released 3 albums (going on its 4th in July) worth of material since 2017 (~6 years). In 6 years, Led Zeppelin had released 5 full studio albums and had had numerous sold out concert tours.
The only interview with Robert Plant that I've ever seen about GFV was said tongue-in-cheek. We don't know how Plant really feels about GVF. One thing is certain, Plant is certain that Josh (and GFV on the whole) heavily borrowed Led Zeppelin's style.
Fil I’d love you to comment on Annie Haslam from Renaissance’s range who supposedly has huge range.
Thanks for useful tips again
Fil, Great Job Nobody does it better
I've seen many comments in other videos, slamming Josh's voice...calling him a chipmunk or saying he's screeching. Funny how different people hear music.
excellant info
good band too
Would love for you to analyze Paul McCartney singing on "My Love" live in 2009, especially the note he hits around the 3:18 mark pf that video. HOLY COW! And he was pushing 70 (probably 67) around that time.
The video on YT is titled "Paul Mccartney - My Love 4k (UHD) (Live At Citi Field, NYC, 2009)"
Interesting fact: Choral music is written with the average voices (with the standard 2-3 octave range) in mind to give different effects. For example sopranos and altos singing the same note will have a slightly different tone because each group is placed slightly differently in their voice.
Would I be right in thinking that as he gets older and his vocal range changes (naturally) then he'll be singing more in a tenor range? I remember for instance that Genesis had to transpose their music down a bit (sorry non musician here) as Phil Collins's voice changed over the years (especially the 2007 concerts, which were recorded). I know that certain singers improve their vocal range with age retaining high notes but being able to go lower, mainly female singers I'm thinking of.
Robert Plant’s speaking voice is very high. I’d like to hear your thoughts about singing “in tune”.
interesting - A lot of folk listening to my band think i have a high voice....but Im all out at A4 chest voice (which is actually top of the Baritone range) and i can get down to A1 - its all to do with tone - My A4's sound a lot higher than a good tenor would because when you get high you make the voice smaller
Thank you, Fil
I was wondering if you could please analyze ‘The 1975’, live concert version of ‘I Couldn’t Be More In Love?’
Thanks in advance. 😊
Hi Fil. As a Baritone myself (possible baritenor) would D4/E4/ F4/G4 always be a chesty belt for someone with thicker cords ? I can hit those notes in falsetto & head voice but prefer the chest sound - pretty sure I’m mixing correctly to avoid yelling :)
My vocal range is, reliably, E2-G4 with a falsetto range of A3-E5. Not sure what the official label of my range would be called but it is very frustrating not being able to hit that A4 in my chest voice because it is in so many of the songs I want to cover live and transposing them often doesn’t work because they require specific open voicings on the guitar. Maybe I need to buy a baritone acoustic 🤷🏼♂️
I'd be interested in your vocal analysis of John Mayer's Slow Dancing in a Burning room (Studio Recording. I hear some form of pitch manipulation, especially on sustained notes/vowels - similar to Brian Wilsons voice on the new Beach Boys album - though the Beach Boys example is far more obvious . I definitely smell a rat (robot) on that Mayer tune. Could be a good vid
Thanks, Fil!!
I never spent much time listening to these guys. Nothing they did really rocked Me.
@@robertakerman3570 I thot it was Led Zep upon the first song I heard. Not impressed but perhaps that will change after checking out this segment later!🎸🎶🎧🎹
@candydale8380 I've liked their YT videos. Seeing them in a live setup works much better.
@@charliesaucier3352 🤙
Thank you Fil for your as usual well explained and understandable voice range. I really appreciated your explanations, using the keyboard illustration.😊.... not that I liked the song by Josh: sorry.
I love that you have a Queen shirt, you do love them, gimme that shirt lol
I missed this video because it didn't have GVF or Josh in the title, but it is funny that Josh appears to be bored when singing this song and highway tune now.
You can transpose the key of the song m8. In my experience most songs can only be moved about a step or so before they begin to sound off to non musicians.
I do find GVF pretty 'marmite'. I love marmite but GVF really grates on me, particularly the vocals. Definitely not for me. That said, your analysis of the vocals and singing in general was spot on. Thanks.
In Zappa's Mothers of Invention era, my sister went to a concert where he bagged on the audience about how musically stupid they were, didn't understand what he was playing, etc. But. He spat, literally, at the audience. Here, it is the performers which would best be spat at. Crap is crap no matter how earnest the offering.
Fil - Please cover Elvis Costello. I don't know what his vocal range is, but the man knows how to use it (and is a musical and lyrical genius).
He's out here somewhere!
@@wingsofpegasus He's not in Chelsea, or if he is it's under protest.😉 I look forward to checking it out (your video, not-nay, AND-the London neighborhood) - Thanks!
I still think if you've got it , you've got it. Some ppl will never have it....just my opinion
Since you have a Queen shirt, could you answer the eternal question, was Mercury a natural tenor or baritone?
I'd have to side with Bari, most likely high bari. A natural tenors range would include notes around A4 as 'comfortable' in chest voice. Freddie's voice would sometimes fatigue live around this range where he would then change the melody to avoid them. So it leads me to believe he was pushing his chest voice to that place, rather than it being comfortably within his range.
@@wingsofpegasusthank you so much for explaining! His baritone was so beautiful, when he sang with Monserrat Caballè especially
he has many years to profect his voice
Lets hope so!
Can you do this with McCartney's Oh Darling please?
❤️🇨🇦☀️🦋
Man, this just doesn’t do it for me. At all. Also, I happened to jump to 18:15 mark….I swear that melody against that progression sounds ODDLY familiar…we all are thinking it, come on.
First guess: Timing?
Confidence? Hitting notes? Charisma? Good looks?
Not my cup o’ tea
*Promo SM* 🤔
How old is Josh, Fil?
27
@@wintersherry9867 thank you Sherry! Lisa.👏🏻🫶🏻
22 in this video
@@Tityretupatulae actually 21 in this video, this was almost 6 years ago, the twins were 21 then
I hate to say this, but my ears hurt. Thank you, Fil, for explaining this for us all. Take care.
Singing comes from the diaphragm. And you must have a relaxed larynx/voicebox.
Try another song, Fil.
I agree. Also try another group. Not my cup of tea. Although you have gotten your point across. Thanks Fil. 😊😊😊
Oh my goodness. This is awful! But the vocal analysis is spot on, as usual. 👍👍
Yeah, definitely not my cup of tea. 😬
He sounds really bad in this particular video. He's very pitchy and his tone is sucking on some of those high notes. But he got better. Prob took vocal coaching and practiced.
Very thin sound, not much volume there. Almost as bad as R. Plant screeching. Thought your singing was much better.