A heads-up to people interested in the DJR 400 - this one in the video seems to have most of the optional features. I've played on two different units, and at least one did not have the cue LEDs (and of course, in a club with a poorly lit booth...). That one also did not have the cue/master pot which you can see in this video, and that was a major downer. Besides the switchable phono/line channels, sends, wooden sides... make sure you think about these options before ordering - I'm not sure they are by default. Fun bit of kit nonetheless!
holy crap - that timelapse really puts things in perspective...Steven Slater is serious about getting the sound the way he wants. thanks for the show and tell!
Actually, I'm pretty sure that there is also a market for a simple, stylish, analogue mixer that has faders instead of rotary pots. Most mixers these days copy and add more and more features on each new model, so it would be nice to see a beauty like one of these but with faders instead.
You mentioned a forthcoming MP2015 review, looking forward to it. I hope you can find the time to experiment with split Serato / Traktor operation and changeovers, seeing as the mixer is now DVS enabled on both platforms. Cheers!
Mo, really cool video. I played on a purpose built rotary mixer at a venue here in Tokyo. Once I got my head around it it was really awesome. the nice thing is the control of rotary and the sound. You keep working in the mix which is great. Enjoyed that and useful, thank you!
love that you guys have been covering more niche scenes like portabalism and if you all were looking to do an update on the portable rotary scene I would love to hear your thoughts on the slew of new rotaries that have come out recently like the mastersounds radius 2, condesa lucia, varia instruments rdm20, or on the cheaper end the trm202 by omnitronic
The MP2015 was NOT inspired by boutique mixers. It was inspired by the MP2016!!! An analog rotary that consistently gets forgotten, despite being the mixer of choice by true legends for many years. it always blows my mind.
An original bozak Silver plate revived to New i think if i saw one from up close id co÷] ¢®]] ¥] £m in my pants. Let alone drool. Steal it and hit the mountains. Serious
Curious how bad the Condesa measured in the RSH Audio 'Lions & Lamps' THD + noise and frequency response tests. Isonoe & MP2015 > Formula Sound & E&S > Mastersounds 4V (3rd tier measurements probably just because of the tubes) > MP2016 (lousy frequency response) > Condesa at the bottom of the barrel. They also did a bunch of useless other tests like max input & output clip points, cut ability, crosstalk, etc, and failed to do basic stuff like running impulse response, and test waveforms, or IMD tests. I'm almost wondering if the Condesa uses JFETs in there to mimic tube distortion, but it had an order of magnitude more distortion even than the 4V and worse frequency response than the MP2016.
If you had to choose between a DJR400 vs Condesa by sound quality which would it be? Purpose would be two vinyl turntables playing house, techno, disco...
My first Rotary was the Urei, i still own that Mixer. Then came the E & S DJR, sold, then Bozak AR-4. Next in line was the ARS4100 and he is also sold. The Bozak had the clearest sound very transparent, more than my 1620le. But I'm missing something, liveless, I always come back to my 1620. I like the sound best.
@@braien25980 free King on point Mate. I have xone v6 Xone 92 Urei 1620le Pioneer toys shit. Hands down urei 1620le every Day. The original is as good but hard to get. Urei best mixer in the world modular with a dorrough meters 40a or c With a kick ass isolator its hands down unbeatable. School these boyz
@@mikedubz5576, V6🍻 a piece of gold, as far as the increase in value is concerned, would also like to hear that. Small update, had meanwhile also sold the Condesa Lucia and the Mastersounds Radius 4, both of them again. I like the sound of Condesa a little better than the MS Radius, but they both color me too much. I also miss the spatial representation. With the 1620 also much better. In the meantime I also have an original 1620 and I have to say that my 1620 Le also has the nose in front here. This is certainly due to the fact that the components of the original 1620 are very, very old. The character of the Le is super implemented, also has a little more bass and the summation is on point. I like it better than everyone else, the DJR400 was also very good from my memory, Lucia and Radius were also good, only because of the strong coloring too washed out in the transitions, too much. For the 1620 and the Le version, I can only recommend buying phono and line cards from #danieldialatone, the best for me. And you can communicate well with him.
How is the send and return on the super stereo? Usable with pioneer rmx? Thks. D U dont mention your personal favorite, could you advice on ur personal preference and why between these three?
I didn't actually use the send on the DN78, I'm afraid. We only had all the mixers for a short time, which is why this isn't really a review. If I had the money to buy one of these three (I don't) then it would probably be the E&S, for two reasons: 1. It has the isolator, and 4 channels. 2. It is on the tech rider of many travelling DJs, so there's a good chance I could make some money back by hiring it out to local venues sometimes.
I dislike the fact that the E&S does not have gain control. I am a sound engineer. And every time a DJ uses this mixer, they overpower it. Incomming signal total clip! I know all/most the cheap djs do that. But hey, gain and chanel vu can fix a lot
Eh? You know there are rotary mixers with x-faders on them... Just coz a mixer has Rotary's on them it doesn't mean you shouldn't hammer them.... Do you mix? coz most people that comment haven't ever mixed vinyl, let alone mixed...lol..
@@djdeejdjay8669 i do mix vinyl and not and I've been produced too so yes I sure know how to handle this kind of equipment, and I stand my point faders are best for fast cutting and rotaries have come back in fashion for other reasons, also judging by the prices (not just the look-at-me-im-rotary digital models). If you're a rotaryonly or fadersonly diehard fan that's just your problem. And the fact that you need to come here provoking and you need to show your home setup to state you're a DJ in name and profile gives me some hints, too 😅
@@Simone-xe9cw lol....you are a bit on a nob fella...you need to lighten up and not be so agressive with your messages. The thumbnail was an easy pic to upload coz it was on my phone and the image I wanted to upload didn't have the right size to fit according to TH-cam. I can prove I've DJed...you can't lol. Rotary's have never gone out of fashion but yes the are more of a statement nowadays....and yes cheap old rotary mixers like vestax are sooo over priced! Yes faders are for sharp fast cuts but so what? Who wrote the handbook saying you can't do that on a rotary? I'm 48 and kinda know my stuff...you are a lot younger then me fella... You are the one that needs to wind their neck in and calm down...I just made a comment and observation, you came on here all huffing and puffing lol
@@djdeejdjay8669 you implied, I replied. Simple as that. And yes mine was a joke about slamming knobs, you really have the time to make a case and inspect me out of it? Bye
@@Simone-xe9cw I was also have a joke and pointing out that rotary mixers can have cross faders on them and you came back all agressive. I really don't think you know how to mix or even have any vinyl let alone produced any tracks.... Most people on TH-cam chat rubbish...I think you're on of them. X
It's hard to say, as that Omnitronic was one of the faulty ones which led them to discontinue it. I'll get one for review if they ever manage to re-release it...
hi, could you help me please? i would like to buy the rotary SuperStereo DN 78, but i can't find any review about it, in your opinion 'is it a good mixer for its cost? or is it not worth it? thank you very much
Hi, what happen with your i had one and the isolators give me a big problem since is very bad quality I send a email to super stereo but they haven’t answer!! The sound quality is amazing for me compare to the condensa lucia that I have and the Bozak ar-4 that I also own
So instead of showing us what the mixers can do you chose to turn the volume of that down so we couldn't hear it n just woffle on over the top. How odd
How can you introduce 3 devices add in the sound nerd who we never see contribute on this video and yet we never hear what they sound like even in tiny sound clips of these sponsored devices. Absolutely garbage I'm afraid, just a rubbish run down. Talk about reeling people into 3 products that actually not demoed.
Hey, it's only an overview as some extra online content for DJ city. Some people aren't familiar with these mixers at all & so it wasn't intended as an audiophile test or anything. Take the audio nerd stuff with a pinch of salt 😃 On the other hand, if there's something you wanted to know, hit me up 👍
youtube's own audio compression would make hearing the mixers half worthless. It actually probably is (slightly) more helpful to hear subjective, separate opinions than to hear the outputs of the mixers at 128kbps AAC. Really, this is a simple overview, I'm sure if you're really serious about dropping 2.5k+ on a serious boutique rotary that you'd also be contacting manufacturers and trying to play around/with people who already have the mixers you're looking into. This particular video is about capping your imagination, not conveying super detailed information regarding audio quality :)
+David Brown Fair enough I see your point. I just find as you might well do lots of silly nonsense clips on here and I guess it's easy to over react. So point taken 😀
Hi Dave, What do you think, who has the best sound quality? I have the same problem, all just turn knobs and I just want to hear what that sounds like Condesa, dj400 & DN78
Best sounding mixer - SUPER STEREO DN78. To all DJ’s. Stop using a computer and never turn the volume up all the way on any mixer. Set all your eq nobs all the way to the right and work the iso when needed. Learn how to pitch using the fader only on the CDJ. Do this and you will get gigs. If you do not do this you will never get gigs. Leave your ego and pride at home and learn your craft the right way. Play tracks that you & others will dance to. Also when you are booked to play at an event. Never have anyone in the DJ booth. You as a DJ will play the entire party by yourself. God Bless.
And then comes a guy with cdjs and flash drives with thousands of mp3 files (crap)....no sense at all....those rotaries are not for that...its audiophile usage - i mean - vynil or master cds or wave unconpressed files only
2023, rotary mixer still as fun as ever 🖤😎🙌🛞
A heads-up to people interested in the DJR 400 - this one in the video seems to have most of the optional features.
I've played on two different units, and at least one did not have the cue LEDs (and of course, in a club with a poorly lit booth...).
That one also did not have the cue/master pot which you can see in this video, and that was a major downer.
Besides the switchable phono/line channels, sends, wooden sides... make sure you think about these options before ordering - I'm not sure they are by default.
Fun bit of kit nonetheless!
I have watched this video so many times just to drool over these mixers.
holy crap - that timelapse really puts things in perspective...Steven Slater is serious about getting the sound the way he wants. thanks for the show and tell!
Been wanting that DJR-400 for years!!!!
Actually, I'm pretty sure that there is also a market for a simple, stylish, analogue mixer that has faders instead of rotary pots. Most mixers these days copy and add more and more features on each new model, so it would be nice to see a beauty like one of these but with faders instead.
Seems like the upcoming Vestax Phoenix might be that mixer
the 2022 prices are pretty rough. Wish I had bought one back then
Best DJ channel I ever seen. And mojaxx is great with doing this job. Kudos!
I see ur EX back there. Love that thing. It was the closest thing we had to a filter on a mixer back in the days
You mentioned a forthcoming MP2015 review, looking forward to it. I hope you can find the time to experiment with split Serato / Traktor operation and changeovers, seeing as the mixer is now DVS enabled on both platforms. Cheers!
Mo, really cool video. I played on a purpose built rotary mixer at a venue here in Tokyo. Once I got my head around it it was really awesome. the nice thing is the control of rotary and the sound. You keep working in the mix which is great.
Enjoyed that and useful, thank you!
love that you guys have been covering more niche scenes like portabalism and if you all were looking to do an update on the portable rotary scene I would love to hear your thoughts on the slew of new rotaries that have come out recently like the mastersounds radius 2, condesa lucia, varia instruments rdm20, or on the cheaper end the trm202 by omnitronic
Dam that Condessa Looks Sweet.
cool vid mojaxx I always watch your vids when I had a busy Day
Nice shirt chris
The MP2015 was NOT inspired by boutique mixers. It was inspired by the MP2016!!! An analog rotary that consistently gets forgotten, despite being the mixer of choice by true legends for many years. it always blows my mind.
Is that an LED lit headphone jack on the Super Stereo? Been begging for years for that feature. I will pony up the cash just for that option.
great info but would be nice to actually hear the difference between them on the set up your running.
My Realistic 32-100B from Tandy kicks rotary ass.
Great piece
Those es are amazing mixers !bozak are spectacular though
An original bozak Silver plate revived to New i think if i saw one from up close id co÷] ¢®]] ¥] £m in my pants.
Let alone drool.
Steal it and hit the mountains.
Serious
what about varia instruments?
Curious how bad the Condesa measured in the RSH Audio 'Lions & Lamps' THD + noise and frequency response tests. Isonoe & MP2015 > Formula Sound & E&S > Mastersounds 4V (3rd tier measurements probably just because of the tubes) > MP2016 (lousy frequency response) > Condesa at the bottom of the barrel. They also did a bunch of useless other tests like max input & output clip points, cut ability, crosstalk, etc, and failed to do basic stuff like running impulse response, and test waveforms, or IMD tests. I'm almost wondering if the Condesa uses JFETs in there to mimic tube distortion, but it had an order of magnitude more distortion even than the 4V and worse frequency response than the MP2016.
If you had to choose between a DJR400 vs Condesa by sound quality which would it be? Purpose would be two vinyl turntables playing house, techno, disco...
vincevtec you have to listen to it but for me DJR 400 hands down
@@TLRPhotographe I would say the opposite by quite a way.
okay, that golf wang tee came totally unexpected :D
@djcitytv Can you do a review on the Can Electric Taula 4? Would really like to get your opinion on this.
Ahhh I wish I could have been there to hear that fat sound! Mad respect! Great video!
E+S ....no competition just the best ..
e & s in this moment THE BEST MIXER IN THE FUKING PLANET!!!
expensive too :(
You obv havent had a bash on a bozak
My first Rotary was the Urei, i still own that Mixer. Then came the E & S DJR, sold, then Bozak AR-4. Next in line was the ARS4100 and he is also sold. The Bozak had the clearest sound very transparent, more than my 1620le. But I'm missing something, liveless, I always come back to my 1620. I like the sound best.
@@braien25980 free King on point Mate.
I have xone v6
Xone 92
Urei 1620le
Pioneer toys shit.
Hands down urei 1620le every Day. The original is as good but hard to get.
Urei best mixer in the world modular with a dorrough meters 40a or c
With a kick ass isolator its hands down unbeatable.
School these boyz
@@mikedubz5576, V6🍻 a piece of gold, as far as the increase in value is concerned, would also like to hear that. Small update, had meanwhile also sold the Condesa Lucia and the Mastersounds Radius 4, both of them again. I like the sound of Condesa a little better than the MS Radius, but they both color me too much. I also miss the spatial representation. With the 1620 also much better. In the meantime I also have an original 1620 and I have to say that my 1620 Le also has the nose in front here. This is certainly due to the fact that the components of the original 1620 are very, very old. The character of the Le is super implemented, also has a little more bass and the summation is on point. I like it better than everyone else, the DJR400 was also very good from my memory, Lucia and Radius were also good, only because of the strong coloring too washed out in the transitions, too much. For the 1620 and the Le version, I can only recommend buying phono and line cards from #danieldialatone, the best for me. And you can communicate well with him.
Hi, I ordered a condesa but my knobs for the lo and hi's are too small, I really like these on here, do you know where. I can buy these? Thanks
How is the send and return on the super stereo? Usable with pioneer rmx? Thks. D
U dont mention your personal favorite, could you advice on ur personal preference and why between these three?
I didn't actually use the send on the DN78, I'm afraid. We only had all the mixers for a short time, which is why this isn't really a review.
If I had the money to buy one of these three (I don't) then it would probably be the E&S, for two reasons:
1. It has the isolator, and 4 channels.
2. It is on the tech rider of many travelling DJs, so there's a good chance I could make some money back by hiring it out to local venues sometimes.
I dislike the fact that the E&S does not have gain control. I am a sound engineer. And every time a DJ uses this mixer, they overpower it. Incomming signal total clip!
I know all/most the cheap djs do that. But hey, gain and chanel vu can fix a lot
I own the E&S DJR-400 #553 bRILLIANT WARM FAT JUICY MIXER Joe Claussell is the master of this Mixer
I don't really get the UX for this, maybe for the deck fader
I own a Urei 1620LE but still want to get my hand on the others. Yes I am a bit of a gear nut!
Great Vid thanx!
Bozure ordered. Thanks!
Are there more affordable Rotary Mixers out there?
If so can you do a video. Hit me up when you do.
Thanks for sharing.
Regards,
Leon
omnitronic 202 mk3
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So, where is the resulting sound?
dn78!!!
@MojaxxVDJ. What is the model of that Bozure isolator? I cannot find one to buy.
It's an ISO201. Drop Per Nutzman a line on Facebook 😃
I want to invest in the Bozure iso, but my mixer has no send/return, can i just run the mixer through the iso directly to my monitors at home?
+Randall van den Berg if you run the master output from the mixer to the input of the isolator that will work fine
Can I dj with a regular record player
Seeing rotary mixers slammed like any scratch mixer gives me a subtle sense of discomfort.
Eh?
You know there are rotary mixers with x-faders on them...
Just coz a mixer has Rotary's on them it doesn't mean you shouldn't hammer them....
Do you mix? coz most people that comment haven't ever mixed vinyl, let alone mixed...lol..
@@djdeejdjay8669 i do mix vinyl and not and I've been produced too so yes I sure know how to handle this kind of equipment, and I stand my point faders are best for fast cutting and rotaries have come back in fashion for other reasons, also judging by the prices (not just the look-at-me-im-rotary digital models). If you're a rotaryonly or fadersonly diehard fan that's just your problem.
And the fact that you need to come here provoking and you need to show your home setup to state you're a DJ in name and profile gives me some hints, too 😅
@@Simone-xe9cw lol....you are a bit on a nob fella...you need to lighten up and not be so agressive with your messages.
The thumbnail was an easy pic to upload coz it was on my phone and the image I wanted to upload didn't have the right size to fit according to TH-cam.
I can prove I've DJed...you can't lol.
Rotary's have never gone out of fashion but yes the are more of a statement nowadays....and yes cheap old rotary mixers like vestax are sooo over priced! Yes faders are for sharp fast cuts but so what? Who wrote the handbook saying you can't do that on a rotary?
I'm 48 and kinda know my stuff...you are a lot younger then me fella...
You are the one that needs to wind their neck in and calm down...I just made a comment and observation, you came on here all huffing and puffing lol
@@djdeejdjay8669 you implied, I replied. Simple as that. And yes mine was a joke about slamming knobs, you really have the time to make a case and inspect me out of it? Bye
@@Simone-xe9cw I was also have a joke and pointing out that rotary mixers can have cross faders on them and you came back all agressive.
I really don't think you know how to mix or even have any vinyl let alone produced any tracks....
Most people on TH-cam chat rubbish...I think you're on of them. X
Did You mention if the Super Stereo was discrete or ic based?
LOL these lads are so feisty twisting those knobs 😜, next time MIX with the mixer please lol not just abuse eq knobs
The Omnitronic TRM-202 you used last year on your page, how does that sound in comparison to these three?
It's hard to say, as that Omnitronic was one of the faulty ones which led them to discontinue it. I'll get one for review if they ever manage to re-release it...
+MojaxxVDJ It gets re-released this week according to their fb page... Would be amazing if you could!
+reiss johnson I shall be contacting Omnitronic tomorrow then!
+MojaxxVDJ any news?
+Keepit Real
+MojaxxVDJ
Any news if you're getting mk2 for testing Mojaxx plz?
what's the name of the track playing at 8:40
a year late, but it's 'In Case (original mix) by Tom Reev
Classics are never "late"! :-)
That t is dope
1:34 Mojaxx you're supposed to be a nerd too xD
what do you guys think about Taula4??..
I have the DDJ-SX2, does bozure work with it? also is the isolator anolog?
I use it through an effects loop on the master output of the Carmen.
Nice
hi, could you help me please? i would like to buy the rotary SuperStereo DN 78, but i can't find any review about it, in your opinion 'is it a good mixer for its cost? or is it not worth it? thank you very much
Do not buy that mixer. The build quality is terrible. Biggest mistake I made.
@@gabeds5724 thank you
Hi, what happen with your i had one and the isolators give me a big problem since is very bad quality I send a email to super stereo but they haven’t answer!! The sound quality is amazing for me compare to the condensa lucia that I have and the Bozak ar-4 that I also own
your the only man with a xxxl golf wang shirt? i want one, all i see is mediums lol
probably wasted on PA speakers and amps,and most studio monitors to be honest.for an audiophile standpoint bloody lovely.
with studio monitor like Adam a7x and a subwoofer it sounds incredible
hi Mo. Does the Rane MP2015 come close to any one of these mixers in terms of sound quality? Thanks.
__completly sure!__ . it,s differente but nicee,a :)
More accurate than those three mixers shown.
i don't know why they dont' put a cue/master blend on the headphones. that would keep me from buying one of these
Anyone know anything about the Rane Empathy in a rotary?
they are rocky and reliable as fuck...but has no filters....
I used to own one. One of the most ergonomic & versitile mixers around, but soundwise, good, but not on this level.
allen & heath xone 92 rotary.....no longer available....
They look more like compressors than mixers tbh
What mixer does Steven have at home? :D
@@djstuc I bought the TRM-202 mk3 and I'm enjoying it as an entry level version
So instead of showing us what the mixers can do you chose to turn the volume of that down so we couldn't hear it n just woffle on over the top. How odd
GOLF WANGG!
Juicy
your friend steve is a funny one xD you need to slap him from time to time for complaining that much xD xD
How can you introduce 3 devices add in the sound nerd who we never see contribute on this video and yet we never hear what they sound like even in tiny sound clips of these sponsored devices. Absolutely garbage I'm afraid, just a rubbish run down. Talk about reeling people into 3 products that actually not demoed.
Hey, it's only an overview as some extra online content for DJ city. Some people aren't familiar with these mixers at all & so it wasn't intended as an audiophile test or anything. Take the audio nerd stuff with a pinch of salt 😃 On the other hand, if there's something you wanted to know, hit me up 👍
youtube's own audio compression would make hearing the mixers half worthless. It actually probably is (slightly) more helpful to hear subjective, separate opinions than to hear the outputs of the mixers at 128kbps AAC. Really, this is a simple overview, I'm sure if you're really serious about dropping 2.5k+ on a serious boutique rotary that you'd also be contacting manufacturers and trying to play around/with people who already have the mixers you're looking into. This particular video is about capping your imagination, not conveying super detailed information regarding audio quality :)
+David Brown Fair enough I see your point. I just find as you might well do lots of silly nonsense clips on here and I guess it's easy to over react. So point taken 😀
+soundslikeste no worries 😀
Hi Dave, What do you think, who has the best sound quality? I have the same problem, all just turn knobs and I just want to hear what that sounds like Condesa, dj400 & DN78
customer service at e&s is non-existent.
Best sounding mixer - SUPER STEREO DN78.
To all DJ’s.
Stop using a computer and never turn the volume up all the way on any mixer.
Set all your eq nobs all the way to the right and work the iso when needed. Learn how to pitch using the fader only on the CDJ.
Do this and you will get gigs.
If you do not do this you will never get gigs.
Leave your ego and pride at home and learn your craft the right way.
Play tracks that you & others will dance to.
Also when you are booked to play at an event.
Never have anyone in the DJ booth.
You as a DJ will play the entire party by yourself.
God Bless.
GOLF WANG
And then comes a guy with cdjs and flash drives with thousands of mp3 files (crap)....no sense at all....those rotaries are not for that...its audiophile usage - i mean - vynil or master cds or wave unconpressed files only
Why the garbage music on the back
see also
instagram.com/p/BvZcqg_Fae5/
Parli troppo.....
dont know shit about electronics.. but yeah
Did You mention if the Super Stereo was discrete or ic based?
DJR & DN78 are IC. The 78 uses valves/tubes. Condesa's are all discreet.
@@slaterinnit do you think that discrete circuit sounds better?