White Bronze Alloy Experiment (Water Casting)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- Mixing Brass and Pewter to test a lesser know alloy.
0:00 Pewter
1:56 Brass
3:28 White bronze mix
4:32 Surface finish test
5:05 Toughness test
5:27 Results and final thoughts
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If you add Antimony, Tin and a touch of Nickel, it'll be a lot Tougher alloy without the brittleness and with the Nickel, it'll be stronger than brass...Try again and good luck...Btw, the Antimony and Tin will make it so much less brittle, in fact it'll probably bend without the Nickel but the Nickel will make it harder and stronger, hope this helps!
So, German silver aka nickel silver?
@@jasonsummit1885 ...No, real Nickel...
Thank you!! Would you mind suggesting percentages?
@@BlackBeardProjects 5-6% Nickel...5-10% each of Antimony and Tin...But you'll probably have to try a couple of derivations...Just make sure you're positive of NO LEAD in the mix...Also increase the copper some too...
Even though it has questionable uses, it was pretty fun to watch! 👍
Like all masters of any craft - you learn from your 'mistakes' and this is not really a mistake - it's just you refining your skills and understanding the process!
Keep up the great vidoes, dude!
Much love!
Thank you!! ❤️
I will admit when I was very nervous when you did the first water quench with the pewter. I didn't see the strainer at the bottom of the vase at first and I thought it was cracking. I really thought we were going to see the whole thing explode!
If you mix two-thirds copper and one-third tin, you get speculum metal, which is brittle but highly polishable, used to make traditional metal mirrors. Maybe that's fun to try in the future?
Hmm, maybe I got close to it already accidentally? Was really really easy to buff right after 320 grit on the angle grinder.
So sick man!
Wow, super informative episode. Thanks!
I adore molten metal and pewter is a peach to melt, I'm keeping a lot of my metal for future casting, can't wait to melt my copper!! Lovely stuff, loved the sounds in the video too👍
Wonderful experiment, great video!
And now we know thank you for sharing this six stars brother
Excellent video, thank you very much for your teachings, I send you a hug from southern Argentina.
I'm really enjoying this journey you are taking with the sword replication, and I know you said you were putting this alloy aside for now, but I would love to see you experiment more with metallurgy. It's something that isn't as well represented on TH-cam in my personal experience. I find it fascinating!
Pretty cool technique.
I'm curious as to what are it's thermal properties, and how good of a conductor it is.
It would be really interesting to see!
The fact that it's so brittle really gives me some ideas. Might make for a good prop in a sci-fi movie too.
Very neat technique for small and clean nuggets. I can see why jewellers use it.
Great work brother you are awesome Thanks for the sharing this video sir.
So nice
Este canal é muito bom!
This was so interesting. Do more like this
That metal looks great! Too bad it's brittle. I suppose a cast monument in that stuff rarely gets hit by a hammer 😂 I look forward to the copper/silver alloy!
Interesting! I just got my great grandfather's lab notebook; he invented a variety of red (not rose!) gold that I'm tempted to try to replicate. I have some watch casings made from it, and it's quite hard, but not sure I'm ready to play with molten metal (or pay for the gold!). Thanks for your experiment!
I knew you were going to do a custom alloy for the fittings! Good luck with your trial and error.
Thank you!
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Your the man.😎😎😎👍👍👍
nice
I’d like to see if they could be pressed in your hydraulic press
The more ya know...
Just feeding the log rythym 😁👍
Strangely colored metals are so cool, I think my favorite so far is Purple Gold.
use flux salts, they will help you remove more dross and make the mixtures better
You lunatic, you destroyed that priceless antique pewter vessel. The Italian Antiquities Commission will hear about this I tells You. 🤣🤣🤣 Nice experiment. Well done 👍👍👍. Thank you for sharing. Be safe 🇨🇦
He'll have to stop in at Dollarama one day and replace it.
Very interesting.
You could try, as others suggested, a few different quenching mediums. You have the alloy, heat it on the side of another project while the forge is churning.
Oil, water, unicorn ball sweat.... hit it with a hammer and see what it does. So many dead cats for curiousity.
Great vid man.
Uh thats looks great. Never heared of it.
Hope to see you at maker central this year.
Sure!! I'll be there, see you soon! :)
Sounds like a sci-fi laser in slow motion.
Looks like a fun metal. Wonder how good it is at catching details?
Seems to be pretty fluid so I guess good!
I could be wrong but when you quenched the different metals in water you could have hydrogen embrittlement. I would be curious how the outcome of your castings would be if you air cooled them. Just a thought.
Would you need to dribble out the molten metal from a significant height so it air solidifies before hitting the ground? Access to those old pellet casting towers they used to make shot gun pellets from would be ideal! Might be difficult to do without such a location ..
Cool! Never heard of this. Always supposed water quenching of non-ferrous metals was just like annealing.
Would you say this is something that still applies after re-melting?
Still cool experiment lol even though it's not very practical.
Nordic gold is always fun to make.
Im always sad to watch beautiful pewter things melt
salve, ho letto che il bronzo bianco si usa per galvanizzare ottone e rame. Forse un'idea per condividere il materiale che desideri. cari saluti dalla Germania.
Some copper alloys could be heat treated, isn't the case? Normally copper alloys stay soft when quenched (yes, the inverse of steel), or add 2% of lead
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Not sure! The metal alloy world is huge and wild :')
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What if you add some aluminum to it, would it stop being so brittle?
I guess the opposite. Copper and aluminum are hard to mix, I think it's called "aluminum bronze" never tried but heard it's tricky to alloy properly!
A similar experiment was made by Bigstackd Casting, it turned out about the same
Ah!! Of course he did! :') I've searched but missed it. I should have know, the guy has probably melted all metals of the periodic table by now! Cheers!
I think it was used for mirrors in india and japan.
I hope you realised that a lot of really old Pewter contains a proportion of Lead, right? That Pewter thing you melted looks pretty old.
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I wanted to try making a white alloy without nickel or lead for jewelry. The brittleness of this experiment shows me I might need to go back to thr drawing board.
What about just plain white copper it is pretty tough and it polished very Brite just make it a little bit thicker than normal if you are worried about strength good luck
can i ask if you're italian? I think you are because of the accent
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...it sounds like Laser-Pistols in Star Wars or so 😅
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Why is there so much fewer bubbles on the second pour/melt than there were on the first one? There were a ton of bubbles on the first one and barely any on the second. I need to know why!? Lol
Wonder if it’s not related to the temperature. The brass would have been hotter, I would think. Seems contrary, though.
@@mred8002 I thought about that too but I also figured that both would be more than hot enough to be producing a lot of bubbles. It doesn’t take very much to produce bubbles
@@jessevanderhamm well, he melted the pewter with just a propane hand torch, but the brass took an oven. I’m perplexed.
Pewter griffin
is this BigBlackD channel ? (sounds like its not SFW) 😆
Oh that channel is definitely nsfw, BigStackD however is fine for work 😉
Новый сплав 60% Brass, 9%Tint. Итого 69%TintoBrass
If you add too much copper to silver it turns a golden color, which makes great jewelry but does not have the silver color that you want.
Do not be sad, this alloy can be used for a cutting tool. I made a similar alloy from copper and babbitt (10/12% more antimony in babbitt), and I got a hard, fine-grained alloy, harder than iron and low-carbon steel. But although it is quite fragile, it is not very critical. Similar alloys with about 20% tin were used in the late Bronze Age, one example is the Chinese sword "Goujian", which has retained its sharpness after millennia. True, there is a more complex alloying, and there are quite large percentages of iron and lead. I suspect that it is iron and lead that reduce the brittleness of bronzes with a high percentage of tin. Although this still did not save him from the clumsiness of the museum employee, who dropped that sword, after which a crack appeared in it. Tungsten carbide is also brittle, but this does not prevent it from being used as a cutting tool.
Credo che l'alta fragilità sia colpa del bismuto e antimonio presenti nel peltro. L'antimonio raffreddandosi si dilata contrariamente agli altri metalli e il bismuto di suo è fragile , creando nell'ottone stress durante il raffreddamento. Credo sia per questo, non sono un esperto di metallurgia, ma di do questa spiegazione. Qualcuno che ne sa può dirmi se sbaglio?
I believe the high brittleness is due to the bismuth and antimony present in the pewter. As it cools, antimony expands unlike other metals and bismuth itself is brittle, creating stress in the brass as it cools. I think that's why, I'm not an expert in metallurgy, but I give this explanation. Can anyone who knows tell me if I'm wrong?
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I can tell you from personal experience that liquid metal and water is quite dangerous. Ive been working in a copper smelter for 17 years now and it is quite the show... as long as your a long way away. 😂
I love this kind of metallurgy (I'm not sure if you would call it that though) and making all these kinds of alloys, fascinating
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Those weren't antiques were they?
Not anymore! 😆
I get those at thrift stores because it cost less than tin itself. So I bet not really :)
Yeah, metallurgy is difficult and time consuming. There are books containing alloys and properties to work from... unless this is your passion
Add chromium 😉