Anodize Your Own Parts any Color with Household Products
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- DIY - Machining Brilliance - How to Anodize CNC Machined Titanium Parts with Common Household Products… well after Barry fails the first time.
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0:07 DIY Anodizing Titanium
0:48 How to Anodize
2:19 Hydrolysis
2:30 uh oh .. something's wrong
3:08 Copper was the culprit
3:27 How to Anodize the RIGHT way
4:37 Anodized Color fact
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I like how you left the mistakes in the video and explained what happened. Most TH-camrs only show the perfect take and don’t ever explain what could go wrong. That’s frustrating to those of us trying to duplicate their results.
And I fell for it....Especially believing ma' man caught the dude heckling by, and put HIM inan "experiment" off camera....
Nah, people need to make it clear from the beginning. Nobody who's actually doing stuff gonna watch full video. So "the copper wire it is".
How about aluminum?
I guess I would just use Rit dye, to change the color.
Just so EVERYONE is aware this is ONLY the process for titanium. That was important let me say it again. THIS IS ONLY FOR TITANIUM!
Aluminum anodizing is not done with just an electrolyte solution. Aluminum anodize is done in a sulfuric acid solution (the strength of the solution is usually proprietary to the company). The temperature of the solution needs to be held in a specific range or you risk burning the part. In Aluminum anodizing, Type II is a weak basic electrical and corrosion resistant coating (Almost every plating shop does this type). While type 3 is basically case hardening of aluminum (rockwell 60 to 70), which also provides an electrical and corrosion resistant coating (You need a specialized shop generally to get type III as it's much more difficult to do).
Yeah, because I have so much loose uncoated titanium just laying around.
I wonder if it's possible to put dry ice around the container to keep it cool?
@@actionjksn type 2 anodizing happens around 70 degrees. Type 3 happens around 30. Outside of using a battery charger you're not likely to have enough power to anodize a very big aluminum part. Anodizing shops use DC rectifiers capable of putting out thousands of amps of power at 20 to 60 volts.
@@garygsp3 have a bunch of old laptop power supplies and that's what I'm planning to use for power. They are DC and between 15 and 18 volts usually I think.
So what would happen if you tried the same setup with aluminum instead of titanium?
Thanks leaving the "failure" in and explaining what went wrong! Super helpful
yeahit was more of an idea what to look for
The failure was intentional to demonstrate why a different metal was used.
One thing worth mentioning is that the copper wire you were using is enameled. this type of wire is used to create coils for transformers and motors. the enamel coating insulates the individual windings from each other, so unless you sand it off (like you seem to have done at 1:45) you probably wont get a proper connection. The other thing is that the current will prefer shorter parts through the water, which is why the bigger part only partially anodized. The pedal was smaller, so the difference in path lenght wasnt as big and you got a more even coating.
Right! I actually had this enameled wire for another project using electromagnets. Personally learned alot just by making this video!
It's called Magnet Wire...since it's purpose is electromagnetic windings (amd chokes)
Shouldn’t you be using washing soda rather than baking soda for your electrolyte?
@@barrysetzer Nerd! 😁
........you guys are funny as hell. 👍
You can see the enamel sanded off each end in the video
I love how they teach you, and joke around. It makes the video more interesting and fun to watch.
Who has titanium laying around the house.
😅
That was my though as well.
Anyone who has body jewelry 🤷🏻♂️
You don't have any? Just borrow some from a neighbor!
Set of darts
Also for the big part, More cathodes around the Bowl for consistency. Energy travels straight, so try and get a bowl deep enough to have the sides of the part with the most surface area facing the cathodes. If it matters.
I bought my dad a caswell plating kit for his birthday a while back and we've been playing around it for a year or so now. Did a lot of NiZn plating but have yet to play with anodizing which is definitely on our list!
I just turned 18. Have been working on my own cars since I was 11. I just want to say thank you so much for this channel and al I can learn. Subscribed 😊
Very interesting. I am the lab lead at a chemical processing plant where we do multiple types of anodizing. Type II, Type III hard coat, Boric Sulfuric and Chromic anodize. Neat to see similar applications done at home.
Thanks for that. Whenever I've seen the coloured metal I've just imagined it was done somehow with a laser. lol You mean you just soak it in acid, give it a jump start and you get rainbows?
Do we need batteries or could we use a battery charger?
Any source works @@americanpatriot2979
Just chemicals.
NERD!!!! 🤣🤣 That had me going. You guys crack me up with all the shenanigans and fun you have while filming and working you do. Nice job on the explanations Barry. Looked like a lot of fun and troubleshooting for you.
Thanks Jerm! And yeah, i had already played with like 20 parts before this video…..including the exact same part that became a “tie dyed monstrosity.” It anodised perfectly off camera 😂
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That is a very interesting tip!
I love it!
So simple but so spectacular!
Thanks! 🙂
Yes thx, would love to see more video's talking about surface treatment options after machining
My wife is a robotics and engineering middle school teacher and I love sharing y’all’s videos with her to show her kids and keep them interested in engineering
Where the hell do they teach engineering and robotics in middle school?
It’s a clown class where kids just play with toys… a woman is teaching it(obvious diversity quota hire is obvious), how technical could it possibly be 😂
It's part of the FIRST TECH CHALLENGE robotics competition. I also coach 8 - 12 graders. Students can actually start in kindergarten with Legos (FIRST LEGO LEAGUE) and learn basic engineering and coding.
@cloydchiro They literally do around the world. World Championships were just held in Houston. Last year, a team of 8th graders from Iowa nearly went.
@@BikingVikingHH poopin your pants you're so scared of women and children that know more than you. Tragic. 🤣
nice video, and work in general; subbed. You have a teaching voice and demeanor that warrants going into actual voltages, power supplies... the differences in the types of anodizing etc.
Thanks leaving the "failure" in and explaining what went wrong! Super helpful. Thanks leaving the "failure" in and explaining what went wrong! Super helpful.
Nice!! I appreciate know how.
I've done something similar to this but instead of coating I took rust off cast-iron useing a Sacrifice Piece of metal to pull the rust from the Pan onto your a sacrifice piece.
Kind of like the navy ships they use anodes & put very small charge onto the surface of the ship🛳 with those abodes all over the sides & bottom.
Instead of getting rusty or deteriorating it's just the sacrifice anodes that get Corroded saves millions a year on maintenance. 🚢
I know nothing about machining and only ended up here because I want to anodise some Aluminium parts, but boy am I glad I watched, that is one of the most entertaining videos I have seen in a while and I learned something. Absolutely love the presenting style great work
I'd love to see a simple aluminum hard anodizing set up
Should be similar except color is achieved with dye that fits into the oxide pores.
@@benargee I also believe for aluminum an acid bath is required
Hard anodizing is never simple. You need highly acidic and caustic chemicals, heated baths, more power, specialized dyes.
You can certainly DIY, but ultimately aluminum anodizing is a significant investment, and is considerably more dangerous than Ti
I bought an aluminium anodizing kit in the UK for £115
Just do it longer but keep your amps/cm^2 the same buy adjusting your power supply and maybe ice bath if I remember correctly. Lead cathode too.
I tried to anodize my own parts, but the clips hurt too much.
Reverse polarity and it removes the material from other sample, then toggle polarity back and forth... Aluminum works well with copper coins for example, but silver works well with most metals...
Also the spectrum of color is broader if you vary the voltages instead off being limited to 9 v increments with using batteries, a good DC power supply that is a Variac with high amperage at low voltage will give you consistant end results.
Just stumbled upon this video… I have to say, this was very entertaining. Informative as well, will be doing an experiment to see if I can achieve this color change. Keep this format, bloopers, issues and other mishaps, this is a great way to entertain and keep your audience engaged. Cheers.
Awesome vid. Haven't seen this complete of simple anodising guide since the "Anodizing at Home by Jim Bowes" article on Warpig 20yrs ago
Dope video. Very informative, and captivating as well! I love this kind of thing. Really interesting stuff!
38 yo and I just learned today that you can stack 9 volt batteries like that. Thanks!
Yay science!!!
I used 3- 9v in series batteries to turn on sprinkler head valve.
I use simple green instead of the water/baking soda mix with good results, also using an adjustable power supply let’s you fine tune it to dial in the color better since 9v increments is a pretty significant amount
Hey! I'm about to try this myself, and you seem to have some experience. Is the process exactly the same for aluminium as for the titanium he's showing here? And how much voltage/how big of a power supply (roughly), do you need to reach a black color?
Your production is getting better and better I need was already very good at the start!
Loved this thank you!
so many ideas of stuff to anodize.
As much as I do like this content....... your DELIVERY of said content is priceless! 😂
Bro i actually laugh at it and its me in the video. The 6:24 martha stuart reference is killler 😂😂
@Barry Setzer they say, we are our own worst critics, so if you can laugh at yourself, it proves you're REALLY good!
I spent countless hours researching and anodizing my final project for my machining degree. I was able to anodize and dye aluminum.
You gonna give up the goods
I also would like to know your process to achieve this anodizing.
Maybe next year
Thanks for not just keeping the perfect job. This can be used to teach kids some practical chemistry.
Motorcycle parts and machining you won me over awesome, keep up the good work 💪💪👍👍
For showing the mistake AND having coworkers messing with you (did you find a good place to bury the body? 😂😂) and letting us know that you’re human too, you more than earned my sub!
Could we see the other end of the spectrum too? Something like magnetron sputtering or thermionic deposition? Love to see y'all do an in house TiN coated tool or platinum coated electrodes for even better anodizing. Plus there just really fascinating processes in and of themselves.
I literally have no idea what those things are. And that intrigues me. So….YES!
@@barrysetzer I found out about them from this video if your curious th-cam.com/video/XHQxghdj2ks/w-d-xo.html
I was slightly wrong about the name of the second one, its actually called thermal evaporation deposition not thermionic deposition. I do think thermionic sounds cooler though :)
Yeeahhh!! CVD and PVD coatings #ftw!
Except those devices are rather not cheap, likely well out of practical fiscal range for most home viewers.
Did my first toxic anodizing of titanium last year on BRS balisong scales. Protip, when using hydrofluoric acid. Wear a mask. For sure shaved a solid 8 years off my lifespan breathing in a plume of smoke.
The way the scales came out made it well worth it.
You did near exactly what I constructed mentally several years ago, but never got around to lol. *I even have graphite rods for electrodes, so they don't break down like conductive metals eventually do.*
And yes, *I actually have a formal scientific education in electrical/electronics engineering lol.* Titanium will be durable, but still gradually break down at the quantum level. *Graphite rods will last indefinitely.*
I have a lot of powder coating paint that should work perfectly for this, and rather than just a plating, it should bond beyond the skinning effect more like anodizing but without the dangerous acid bath.
for hard anodizing you need a mixture of Ve water, sulfuric acid and oxalic acid. the whole thing needs a temperature of around -1 to -2 degrees Celsius. then it depends on the alloy. the more copper, the more likely you are to burn the parts. the alloy 7075 or 6061 works best, with 7075 being easier to color. so much for home use.
An explanation of your abbreviations would help me gain a clearer understanding, plz.
This video really fed my inner need today, super cool.
Great vid… You made it look easy👍🏾
Starting a Discord is going to be, in my opinion, worth it in the long run. A lot of younger guys (myself included) love using Discord as a friend group to chat about a lot of different things, and have it organized. It may take a while to capture the younger audience, but when it does, it is going to be crazy. I feel like the creativity people will share is going to be mind blowing. Can't wait to see where it goes!
Great video too! I never knew you could do some simple anodizing with stuff from home. I will need to try this on some of the fun and artistic stuff I make!
Yup, discord has taken over. It’s like a private social media
It basically is social media but better gated to people are specifically very interested in the topic. Which cuts out so much of the stupid toxicity that is normal SM. @@kw2519
You guys should do a whole video about the science of heat leaving a cut in the chips. I've heard mixed things over the years about what color your chips should be.
Rough cuts should be blue and finish cuts should not be blue. Lol
@@billdrummer1197 You say that but I've heard different over the years. I've heard if they're completely blue you're running too hot.
Man, so much detail and explanation....
When we were teens did the same thing except i used a electric train control you could mark the control to get different colors more precise every time
Cool.. so we can do it at home easily.. just from those hosehold stuff.. AND TITANIUM....... ....Great!
....You can use other materials bud. Stop looking for problems, look for solutions. You can order an aluminum or titanium whatever and do this at home.
I wonder if a cheaper way to accomplish this would be to use a cheap voltage regulator from fleabay and a laptop charger. Most of them are 20V at 3A or 4.5A, which would provide current enough for the voltage regulator to give 60V or 90V at low amperage, similar to those batteries hooked up in series, but without the expense of disposable batteries, plus you wouldn't have to worry about running out of charge before the process completes.
That was a really interesting explanation of the copper coating the part
This is awesome as someone who anodizes window frames this is very similar to the process we use just way smaller lol after we anodize we seal it
Seal it how bro?
Thx
Excellent video Thank you! Can I just ask, can the same method be used on normal steel parts, not just Titanium? Thank you again!
Looking for this answer as well ^^^
Hello, Nice video, thank you for it! Could you please confirm the number of 9v batteries needed for blue anodising? It looks like 6 but please confirm. Thank you!
That's awesome ! Ty for posting this, im going to have to get some raw aluminum lowers and stuff and experiment.
Never knew the color was voltage-dependent. Fascinating.
If you invest in a variable power supply, you can get a wider range of colors and dial it into exact shades
Those old train set power supplies if you're really broke :) has a built in rheostat!
Very cool!
Can you make a video about anodizing aluminium too?
THIS
I did some anodising on parts of my motorbike years ago but using a modified 12v battery charger, good anodising requires low voltage high current, and at some point even keeping the water cool is important
What a fun and amusing video! Love your style!
I love all of your content. Never a dull moment....
...well except when you don't turn the coolant on. 😁
You should change the title to titanium since this won’t work with aluminum
You should learn to read, since the word "aluminum" isn't in the title of this video.
😂 that's what I was thinking
Higher voltage and acids for aluminum to get the tubes to grow, then heated dip in dyes, then instant cooling in another tank to seal the grown tubes trapping the color.
I like this better!!!😂
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bro,hope u put in the screen what we need...tnx. i mean, for diy, its almost spoonfeeding😊
you are absolutely brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great video! Btw, that's not an "illusion of color", it IS a color. Depending on the thickness of the coating, constructive and destructive interference of light yields just the color or colors (frequencies) that you see. Paints and other coatings produce color by absorption / reflection; this (color of anodized coating) happens because of interference, but it's still color.
In some sense, yellow paint IS every color except yellow.
Ooh, ooh! And apparently you can make "rugate filter"s whose color depends on the electrical waveform you used during etching! th-cam.com/video/iwj78pR46zM/w-d-xo.html
What alloys could you do this on? could I anodize chromoly?
just subscribed, great show, great ttricks man! greetings from Argentina
Built an ran an entire 12 tank anodizing system for a 9 fingered Australian here in Jacksonville FL for anodizing aluminum bike rims built on site. It was a horrible experience that I loved for the knowledge and figuring it all out!
(If you've never seen a nine fingered Australian leaning inches over an aerated bubbling vat of sulphuric acid with no mask or eye protection asking if it smells off to you, while you are standing 10 feet away and coughing, Jeebus Crispies, there is not much else to ask for in this world!!!)
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Whoever edits these knows what they're doing lol
We have an INCREDIBLE team of editors. Without them, every video i have ever been in would be…..unwatchable 😂
Barry the science teacher! Could you do a video on nickel plating? I tried it many times but the results were never great.
Try a thin copper plate first( to give the nickel something to stick to) then nickel plate.
@@jonathann8104my question would be what is your nickel source?
That was incredibly entertaining and informative
Sick video! Thank you.
Barry is absolutly insane
You misspelled “absolutely awesome” 😂
@@barrysetzer the king of full slot milling 😎
Would highly recommend washing soda instead of baking soda. Much better electrolyte.
For large parts you want multiple cathodes to create even distribution of current. And connect the anode as centrally as possible.
Great video!
😂 LoL you chased him. This was
s awesome to watch.
Interesting... both paints seem to have maintained the integrity of their colour. Then as you walk around, one or the other becomes dominant. I like this.
Does this work with aluminum parts as well?
Nope! Just titanium
I got a question could you do a first anodize, then mask it off the the anodize at a different level, so you basically get 2 tone designs? i would like to know how you could do alot of different colors if it is possible
I'd assume so as long as you use elecrical tape and make sure it is water tight.
@@lieutenantdan1413 but what would happen if you masked the first then completely uncover for the second? Would the the two colors mix or just be covered up by one color?
@@thomasheisler im assuming that since the first layer is ixodized that there would be s relatively clean break in color. Idk though, i dont have titanium scrap metal laying around.
any metal that is in the sub tank will be turned in most cases. doing two tones is pretty much submerging half into sub tank and doing one voltage, then submerging the other half and doing a different voltage.
Barry is the Best ! My day is a bit better with Barry !
Its also nice to see the rare comment that ISNT calling me an idiot!!! Thanks!!!
@@barrysetzer Well , those who call you an idio will probably never learn anything than eyeballing something to an inch or so!
does the metal for the negative cathode need to be titanium? or what could you use? would any metal work for this? and is the purpose so that you arent just shorting the battery by connecting it right to the same piece of metal as the positive anode/copper?
Can you anodize other metals like steel, brass, galvanized steel, stainless steel?
No
Only non-ferrous metals
Technically, with magnesium and titanium, you’re just like, changing the “visual wavelength emitting off the surface”, like Barry explains at the end.. but, Aluminum anodizing is done kinda different than on this video, cuz you gotta have a diluted sulfuric acid bath for the part to soak in, because what’s going on is the chemical reaction created at a specific voltage and temperature (68~72deg F ..for +\- 1~2 hours, depending on pH, specific gravity, dissolved aluminum nano particles, etc..) causes electrolysis on the surface, kinda like an EDM.. that electrolysis produces oxygen to form on the surface of the part. Well, you’re converting aluminum into aluminum oxide, and kinda “growing” a porous oxide layer, kinda like skin. .. but anyways, yeah, that’s what’s goin on.. lol
@@jamescyphe540 😅
@@jamescyphe540I got lost half way through reading. 🤯 What the hell you doing waiting time on TH-cam.
Go solve the world's problems already... Haha
Ventilated area folks.
This guy reminds me kf when i first saw Jim Carry on In Living Color, and just knew that he & Damon Wayans were gonna go far.
Any network executive worth their salt would pick this up in a heartbeat.
Only a matter of time.
Subscribed. Anyone that includes the fails not just the successes is alright with me!
Only problem.... titanium ISN'T a household product.
Listening to this in my work van. Didn't know John C Reilly knew so much about metal coatings
Brule's Rules - For your health! 😂
Mate your a legend 😆 and a funny bugger. Wicked , real commentary. Bet ya glad it worked 😆 cool 😎
Awesome video! Would love to see a similar video on phosphating!
Well done, thank you.
Thanks for the entertaining and educational vid. I would like to know how high is the overall battery voltage you use for the electrolysis?
That blue color is supposed to come from about 27-29 volts for standard titanium... but he has 6 9v batteries in series, which should add those to a nice yellow 54v color. Maybe different grades of titanium anodize to different colors?
Dude this is an awesome video! And did I spot a Trumpf machine?! I used to work for them! I did my apprenticeship with them years ago! Great company my manager was terrible though and the real reason I left was too much time away from home!
Very informative❤ how many volts were used ?
What a cute bunch. Looks like a blast
Hey Man Awesome video my kids and I love the information. My wife wants to know if we can do this process to her piston lamps I made her using a car battery?
First time watching video from this creator . The "nerd" part was funny as hell. wasn't ready for that. NICE
I don’t know why or how this ended up in my feed but here I am. Anyway I worked in a sign shop for years in the “engineering” (we weren’t real engineers, my boss was just pretentious and gave that name to our dept) and we always used anodized aluminum, steel and whatnot. I had no clue what that meant. I figured it was some type coating. This is cool. I want to try it
Would this work the same for aluminum?
That was very interesting, thank you.
FYI. This is a line of site process. If you get a cathode that rings your dish 360 degrees, with full depth to the bottom, you will get the best results.
Nice. I use it for rust removal. Some use it for gold plating. Depends on the chemicals and power.👍
love your sense of humor. good vid barry
Thanks bro 😂
Thanks for a neat video! 🌞
Very cool. Any chance this would work on Aluminum? I've heard that you need more of a setup for aluminum but have no real experience with either.
Thanks
Definitely more. 👍😎
Thank you for creating the most concise video about anodizing on youtube!
You gotta be joking. Is this your first week on youtube?
"Nerd" had me rollin 🤣