Don't Skip the Classics!!
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I think that one reason that people are turned away from older anime is that most of it really does "look like shit" - not aesthetically or artistically, but in terms of pixel count. I recently found an official upload of a Space Cobra episode in 1080p and it looks phenomenal - there's no comparison to watching the same thing in what is the equivalent of 480i.
There are no subtitles, but here's the link for anybody interested in checking it out:
th-cam.com/video/n9T9DZo3zvA/w-d-xo.html
Compare with what you can find on your standard anime streaming site. I dunno who owns the licence for Cobra, but most people wouldn't be using that anyways. Either the pirate site that they use doesn't have it, or the upload looks like a video recording of a CRT monitor.
Jokes on you, my internet connection is so bad I can't even watch anime in hd!
This has gotta be one of your most important videos in a while. Old manga is just as important as old shirts. Don't ignore them.
Betta get on that Ashita no Joe then
Best 60s manga ever.
This one is strage though. Beacuse the first anime has a lot of annoying filler + an anime only ending. The second one doesnt start of where the first series left off but doesnt start from the beginning but has fantastic adittions. And as awesome as the manga is it lacks a lot of awesome filler from the anime. The anime is also very atmospheric
@@jackthegreek6092 There's very little filler in comparison to other shoenens i have no idea where this idea came from. The issue is more so that there are a few recap eps here and there. Infact some of the filler in the later part of the series is the best there is, I really appreciated the weight it gave the death of a certain character which is absent in Ashita no Joe 2 in ways. (This is when Joe joins the wondering boxer group.)
If anything i'd recommend skipping recaps and a couple minor character fillers , then stopping series 1 just before the fight with Carlos then moving straight into Ashita no Joe 2 while picking and choosing the recap-y eps before we get to the Carlos fight prep
@@Stevem It's not about how much filler there is beacuse again a lot of it is awesome especially in 2. For me the problem is, a lot of it in 1 is the kind that simply drags the plot and naked it feel overly long.
Bakuman made me read and I loved it. I'm not that big on what I've seen of the anime though. Dub or sub.
I hate it when people refuse to watch or play something because it looks old or unordinary.I have friends who refused to watch Code Geass because of its 'noodle" art style or people who don't want to get into JoJo because of shadows and lines on characters look and they are *NOT OK WITH IT*
The art style was one of the only good things about Code Geass. Outside of pure ironic enjoyment, #FreeTheNipple, and some of the mech design.
@@thevioletbee5879 normie
I have a friend who refuses to give JoJo a shot because "it looks weird" and it pisses me off so much. I thought the exact same thing when I first saw it, but I had an open mind. And now JoJo is pretty much my favorite franchise to the point where if you asked me to cite my influences, Araki would be on top of that list
Well its a weak reason but a somewhat valid one.If someone doesn’t wanna spend hours watching something simply because it looks ugly then it kinda isn’t their fault.Media being visually appealing is a key factor of the visual experience and if they can’t get the most basic part right then I don’t blame the person for not wanting to experience it.
i've seen all of code geass, there's no reason they had to make every character lanky and 8-feet tall with monstrous hands that they wave around dramatically - it's absolutely a flaw
doesn't cripple the whole show but it's not like all anime had to be drawn that way at the time or anything
I told Mother Basement on his Dororo vid that the og anime has it's value and some arcs are actually better than the modern incarnation.
Do not skip the classics.
As for Tezuka's manga, is it as you say. He was special. He never stopped improving and reaching for the stars.
2001 metropolis is a remake done right. Art aspect wise it kept the Tezuka style and it looks breathtaking. Story is done a bit clunky but besides that it's great.
An actually nuanced perspective on the meta of mangakas? ...big oof
Holy shit it's Soul! Your vids are awesome dude, keep up the great work!
My nibba Soul watches digi? Nice
Yo Soul!
It's nice to see you here! I love your work!!!
Hi soul!!
I love the art done for the Monogatari series it's definitely my favourite art style.
Nice Shinobu pillow btw.
Same - especially the minimalistic Background Art is beautiful :^)
(Perfect for my Google Chromecast)
Really appreciate the message Digi. A decent portion of my friends who watch anime struggle with going back to older entertainment because of the reasons you gave, and few times when I try to talk them through it they don't give a lot of thought to their reasoning and refuse to change. One of them has over a number of years of has been great with me forcing it upon them, but that was because they weren't a vervent or active watcher of anime. The other has fought back with a complacent gusto that just forces me to give up (your point about Yuasa was on point in this park. The most recent dismissal with them was about Ping Pong).
I really wish there was more of a consistent outpour from the more public YT voices. I definitely commend Geoff trying to speak more often about this, even when he isnt as enthusiastic. Gigguk from what I can tell only did 2 videos (Im including the Mecha one) and the common conversation not being about "looking to the past" has me assuming others aren't either.
Look what I'm trying to say is that everyone listen to the Anime World Order podcast in its entirety. After you listen to Digi's of course. :)
AWO is the best anime podcast in the game. Daryl Surrat is an authority on ol school classics that are obscure and relevant to this day.
Dead Dead Demons is my favorite manga. I love how Asano maximized his style after Punpun.
I LOVE the style of it too but I can't see anything beyond it. Is it finished by the way? I might give it another shot.
@@ShacoPL no, it's being slept on unfortunately -_-
In this day and age, even weapons of mass destruction should run on green energy.
Tezuka's so influential and amazing that his extent is so beyond his own medium, all the games Shigeru Miyamoto directed, all the Miyazaki movies, THE best disney movie.
Lion king prob. People accuse it of ripping off tezuka's kimba the white lion
@@r0w5tortion84 Yep
@flyingdolphin hamlet ripped off Tezuka
Gotta say im loving this recent style of videos of yours (not intended to be connected to the video topic, but now that i think of it, style changing over time, not better or worse, just different ... and appealing to me)
Really good point. I hate it when I hear people saying "Watch Evangelion if you want to understand the history of the medium". Watch Evangelion because it's fucking good!
I picked this book up because of this video and read it all that same day! Loved it, but really wish the ending didn't feel as rushed
This has all the information, structure, and referential material backing it up as a meticulously edited Video Essay... and yet it’s just a one-take recording of a dude in his bedroom rambling about the art and artists that he’s passionate about.
Digibro, you’re a weird dude sometimes, but I’ll be damned if you aren’t one of the BEST anitubers out there! And I appreciate that you can spout this knowledge so casually and frequently. This is a new all-time favorite vid for me!
The setting and intro of the video is hilarious :"D
I was literally thinking about the rain on the first pages when you mentioned Dororo. While I consider some old manga as dated (Devilman, Saint Seiya), Tezuka’s art stood the test of time. He just knows the medium in ways most current artist don’t. Another amazing old manga that I sadly can’t find complete is Ore wa Teppei.
Oh no, Digibro has become a ranting boomer
it was correctly predicted in Artso Fartso's Whirling Dervish
It was the damn lawnmower.
Gundam does I pretty good job of using older art styles for the OVAs. Especially with Unicorn, The Origin and Thunderbolt.
The origin looks crazy good.
@@Inari_the_Fox Not a fan of the cringe CG on the mechs though...if those were 2D then OMG
Took the words right out of my mouth! Have you read Tezuka’s Black Jack, Digibro? I feel like you would love it, and I always felt that the numerous adaptations have horribly missed the mark for all the reasons you explained (including the children’s TV version, which keeps some of the style but utterly throws the surgeries and dark themes in the trash for fear of being ‘child unfriendly’).
Agree, have most of the Blackjack omnibus'. My fave work of Tezuka.
It makes me so angry, all the adaptations are trash. The TV anime is too damn soft, missing all the grit and grounded realism that balances all the weird ideas Tezuka had, and the OVA's are too dark and edgy, sacrificing all the energy and character that's like, the key constant in ALL of Tezuka's manga for that 80s Ultraviolence that was all the rage at the time. Art is its own closed ecosystem. It's best adapted as it was with the mindset it had, if you adapt it at all.
Similarly, I love the anime Graveyard Kitaro for the fact that its the first adaptation out of many that actually sought to emulate Mizuki's original style, while the linework is evocative of actual manga.
I'd also say that the 60's and the 70's anime was also pretty faithful to Mizuki's manga too. But after he retooled the manga and renamed it.
I personally would love to see more anime in these older art styles especially since I've been seeing so many CGI heavy anime and also boring art styles.
I'm no artist so my opinions could be considered invalid but I'm willing to check these animes and mangas out simply for the art because you're right it's just different if anything.
Why do I believe him when he says he had a "Fuck-pillow sesh?"
Tezuka's work reminds me a lot of Jeff Smith's 'Bone' series from the 90s. He was massively influenced by old cartoons and comic strips from around the same time as Tezuka was producing, and it shows really clearly in his work. His human characters, monsters, and backgrounds look like a lot of its indie fantasy contemporaries, but the main characters are these bizarre white blob shapes that look like they should be in a Disney cartoon from the 30s right next to Mickey Mouse, and yet it just... works. All of it being done by the same hand just makes the lush, detailed backgrounds and mostly-realistic humans and animals mesh with the cartoony blobs of the Bone brothers effortlessly somehow. The comic feels more old-school than it actually is, but it's far, *far* better-looking for that fact.
Beautifully said. Love this video. As a manga purist myself, this all rings true to me. Just picked up Dororo a few weeks ago and it’s been absolutely stunning.
I think most of the time when people say they cant get into old anime/manga because the art is "bad", they mean it just doesnt appeal to them personally. While old artstyles obviously have legitimate artistic merit to them, its only natural for people in their teens and early 20s (who make up the majority of the weeb community) to prefer the newer art trends. I'm sure there are some young people who genuinely favor the old stuff, but most of us can still appreciate the early works for their unique and innovative designs even if it isn't our cup of tea.
I remember Briefely looking at some panels from the Cyborg 009 manga from the 70s by Shotaro Ishinomori, whilst i plan to actually read it in it's Entirety at some point, one thing that really stood out on the first few panels was the level of detail in the background environments, despite the simple and more cartoony character designs.
I would like to take this moment to thank Digibro in particuar on this topic. Through him I learned about numerous great manga young and old and plenty of old anime. He has helped me so much that in his video on anime and youtube mediocrity he briefly mentions gosenzo sama banbanzai and the footage he used seemed interesting. Eventually I watched it and loved it dearly. It was an OVA brimming with imagination and deserves a wider audience. Thank you Digi! Never stop what you're doing
Well the latest black jack had cameos of them that still updated the style but was closer to the original look of Dororo and Hyakki.
This is just likings but I just loved Dororo from the remake better, both that Dororo and the original are also cute.
People looking like Hyakki there's a lot, but as a ambiguous looking characters fan Dororo is perfect, so perfect is amazing how smoothly she updated to the concurrent popular and don't lose that "oh this kid looks a little femenine even though old Japan has a lot of boys with long hair"
I’m glad that everyone is able to enjoy older media, but I don’t know, I tend to more towards the future to than to the past. So no thanks.
I'm a big shounen guy, but mostly know stuff from the 90s onward. Oldest stuff i read was like flame of recca, yu yu hakusho, db or ranma.
But i recently read Fist of the Northstar and Ashita no Joe and am really in love with both. They dont really look like anything today, but they both look amazing.
The outfits and fantastical mad max-esque environments in HnK. The iconic stoic Kenshiro meme face thats like 20times in each volume lmao.
The incredible amount of recognizable faces in the very cartoony Joe, in comparison to todays stuff. The intensity of the few big epic fights of the series. And the recurring places that feel so at home by the end~ the gym, the neiborhood, the boxing ring.
Still absolutely fantastic today♡
watch season 2 of Ashita no Joe, it's amazing. (It's on Crunchyroll last I checked for US users atleast)
It’s funny because I grew up with Tezuka’s mangas, they were literally the first I ever read. So I never got why people think they are boring or “feel old”, if anything they’re more entertaining than a lot of modern mangas. I also feel that because they’re so much inspired by western art (esp Disney), they’re a great gateway for people who want to get into manga but don’t know where to start.
I’m a fan of Mecha anime, so I’ve seen gunbuster more times then I really should have.
It's never too many times (unless it prevents you from having the time to watch all the other mecha classics)
True.
Dunno if anyone's ever told you this, but you have a superb sense of style.
You forgot to mention that Kishimoto was also a huge fan of Hiroaki Samura (author/ artist behind Blade of the Immortal). He even admits copying the feet/ hands from there. So it's a big blend between Otomo, Toriyama and Samura.
(Also he's been hugely influenced by Yoshihiro Togashi in his writing, going so far as naming the nine-tailed-fox Kurama in honor of Yu Yu Hakusho's Kurama, not to mention the completely obvious parallels between the Chuunin exam arc and the Hunter Exam)
don't forget the EYES.
@SoulReaper 85 the blade of the immortal anime is not really good, and dont really capture what makes the manga great unfortunately.
I delved into the Alita manga because of the movie itself, and holy shit, I was mind blown at the beautiful themes in that one
You know Digi's real when the glasses come off
I wonder if the relatively recent revivals of older properties like jojo that inspire the current youth will result in these older styles returning
I have that same omnibus of Dororo, also been reading if it these days, it's such a pain holding such a giant book xD
This seems to be true in so many fields.
I think they did change the art in Dororo with the intention of making it better but not because the art style is bad but because that art style clashes with the dark tone of the story and they didn’t want that.
It worked for the original anime.
Read Dostoevsky
Now that you're reviewing comics, I implore you to read the Bone omnibus by Jeff Smith. It's a phenomenal epic that starts off as comedy and slowly blossoms into high fantasy.
Digi I love your work this year keep it up
Tezuka's best manga IMO is Blackjack, artwork is heavenly. Akira is crushing Naruto, no apologies.
Not phoenix or adolf?
I've literally been trying to tell this to my friends for years.
I've actually had trouble finding people having intelligent conversation about manga/anime, (which is honestly something i consider a great artform) outside of this channel and it makes me sad.
Even more sad most people dont even consider these things an art. For example I like to read smut or lewd mangas sometimes, And i get alot of hate from my friends. But some of these manga are really deep with intetesting characters! (Peephole for example). Mangas deffinatly the kind of thing where literslly you can say "don't judge a book by its cover"
I want that shinobu body pillow. I haven't desecrated my room with a body pillow yet but that would fit lovely with my shinobu figs.
This video has to go on the digibro essentials playlist
Also if I may add blood will tell ((the dororo ps2 game)) is really good too and totally came out in North America.
I remember dororo from childhood and evenr ewatched the classic a few years back 2 times..love it and then suddenl the remake came and OH boy
I hope they do Ginga nagareboshi gin one day
The reason so many people scoff at "older" material (art or just any media) as being "lame" and "inferior" is because we are brainwashed into joining the Church of Progress. As long as you believe that things always get better with time, and everything newer improves upon the old, you believe that old = bad. This is the reality of why people do not like old things.
Its like watching Megalo box but skipping Ashita no joe the masterpiece
The digibro manga arc
I feel this sentiment real hard Digi.
Watch 69 Dororo then boi
what?
@@Harrinsain "If the old Dororo manga is so good, then watch the 1969 anime adaptation of it, boi"
oh, right right right. My brain just died there for a minute
All I'm hearing is that the 2017 Mahoujin Guruguru remake is perfect and a work for others to stride towards
I know digi is not a big fan of jojo but I think it's the best example of an old classic manga that has been faithfully adapted, even in artstyle, and has been a massive success despite not looking like other recent anime.
There was a Dororo anime adaptation that looks like it was done in the Tezuka art style and may be closer to the manga in sensibilities, but it's also 60 or so episodes so...
Amazing video as always
I think Dororo 2019 and Banana fish adaptations were kinda like a push towards older media showing that even manga which is written in 80s ( or older ) it can be still relevant , but sure they sacrifice their original style, but I think it was necessary in order to appeal masses. But I think a few people just because of these adaptations have picked up mangas or have watch original adaptations.
P.S I know Banana fish wasn't adapted
my brother about movies : "I don't want to watch it, it's older than I am. Old movies are lame".
Me : "... Ugh"
Asano Inio's also currently being influenced by Gege no Kitarou
Are you watching the new Fruits Basket anime digi? Even though the art style was updated, it still feels sooo 2000-ish. Also the story itself it's really mysterious for a Shoujo
Yusuke Nakamura is one of my favorite Japanese artists. He's clearly influenced by Art Nouveau among other things and his designs are instantly recogniseable.
This is your best video in a while
You have been visited by the spirits of artistic sensibilities past, present and yet to come.
That scene of thr running animation in the forest tho...
Getting Tuesday's daily upload out of the way hella early, nice. Good video too!
Very interesting video, thanks!
could not agree more especially in this age where things are really samey and stagnant
I feel like it's harder to get into a work unless you have an idea of what makes it worth experiencing, especially when you're older and your personal tastes have had time to develop. Speaking from my own experience, I've gone in 100% blind to any details about video games and anime in the past, and not uncommonly missed the appeal of the work, simply because I didn't know what to focus on. For this reason, I don't as often watch an older series unless I've tuned-in to an analysis or discussion that praises the work. Promotional materials (commercials, posters, etc.) have always given people an idea what to expect from recently released works, but older works need to rely much more heavily on word-of-mouth (such as this video) for someone to understand the appeal.
When are we gonna get proper (full) anime adaptations of Devilman and Cutie Honey I wonder
>new art is no better than the old
Amen to that.
It was really interesting to me how at the end of the video you referred to your proposed anime adaption as a "literal" interpretation of the manga. I did not imagine that the word could be used in such a useful way, where it actually refers to the art style instead of the themes or message of the work.
Otaku discovers trends in art
jk fam love yer stuff
I think about it like biological evolution, it's not that we are better than our ancestor apes, but we are addaptated to the current world in that same way ancient apes were adapted to the ancient world
I Just got this manga a week ago. It is pretty great.
Another major influence to Naruto was the mangaka for Blade of the Immortal. Took a lot of influence from his hands and faces apparently
blade of the immortal is incredible, one of the more unique looking manga too
Oh no, Shinobu! I feel ntr'd
His manga about Buddha is amazing slso
You know Digi, what you described there at the end is my exact fear every time a manga I read is announced for an anime adaptation, that the anime simply won’t be able to properly translate or capture the appeal of the manga’s aesthetic, and ruining it with CGI such as in the case of Houseki no Kuni (Although I’ll admit I still enjoyed the show after I got over my initial baby rage), and my current fear being the newly announced Dorohedero show. No way to solve that though I suppose, thanks for the video Digi!
Personally I love houseki no Kunis art but I could never never imagine it in anime form so the 3d was actually a great compromise. It was it's own thing and in some instances I actually prefer the anime art style especially because of the color
W A. Well I grew to love it for the advantages of the 3-d camera and it’s unique aesthetic, but it was disappointing in the beginning when I realized that they wouldn’t be using the amazing artwork of the manga. I suppose a better example of failed adaptations would be something like Blade of the Immortal or Berserk 2016-2017
Hi no tori manga is like living in a dream.
I appreciate all the manga videos lately, Digi. Cool ass medium without enough decent content on TH-cam. Check out Cartoonist Kayfabe sometime. It's a great series of two cartoonists dissecting comics. They mostly cover western stuff but they recently went deep on Akira.
Honestly I want to watch the original Dororo first before jumping to the remake.
i was really hype for dororo.. i REALLY enjoyed REALLY enjoyed the first 20 or so episodes of the anime, it was that seasons top for me.. def however it srsly dropped in quality and slowly the story felt soo weirdly paced that i just stopped caring abt it which is really really sad
The first 20 episodes wtf there isn't much more to it lol
Hard agree, the story was genuinely interesting for the first half of the manga but after a while it became a series of monster-of-the-week encounters and this never-ending cycle of impasses with the general. Definitely feels like Tezuka was aiming for a much bigger story at the start but just lost interest in it.
I dropped it on ep 12
Aadi .p
For me it’s after ep 6 that it started dropping in quality both in story and animation
The weekly content wasn’t that interesting or entertaining and the animation was horrible especially in episode 15
@@OggerFN I watched till 20 cuz I was hopeful.. my interest was pretty much gone after wen hyakimarus chick died.. not becuz she died it's just after that nothing interested me
Wait until he reads Hi no Tori
@@OhmicFoamy or late 80's and 90's tezuka
@@Redskull1411 90's Tezuka?
@@kostajovanovic3711 you are rigth 80's my bad
I grew up with the Astro boy anime. I loved every second of it. The idea that you're presenting right now sounds amazing and I would love to see a modern take of Dororo that stays true to the art style.
Well, looks like my plan to read list is +1 now
When it comes to things from Hollywood I gravitate to things from the 60s. I know people older than me, some who are a decade older who wouldn't care for such things assuming that it's dated.
Goldfinger is an awesome movie, go check it out. It fulfills your basic criteria while also being the kind of film that, if it was remade, you would imagine would not need a huge amount of updating besides the obvious things like cars, time period, and some locales. Other things like the gadgets bond uses really wouldn't need updates because the uses they have are simple, multi-lateral, and are still cool (The ejector seat, the oil slicks, the rotating license plates, and the armor plating on the Aston Martin in the film are simple yet practical. There's a reason all future Bond cars tried to top this one, and there's a reason almost all of them failed!).
I saw it once when I was pretty young. Should rewatch.
It is kinda ironic: we live in a time where it is easier than ever to access and search for all sorts of anime, no matter the age but in the end the majority does not use this chance.
really good video keep it up digi!
Can't wait to pick up the Dororo manga soon been waiting on the anime to finish to compare them!! :]
Anime Fan anime is finished! Loved it
You're gonna be disappointed because the manga is unfinished and is nowhere as deep as the anime, it's just a fun manga with a loving art style.
Oh hell yeah. Shinobu is best girl indeed
Nah I’m just going to keep doing what I’ve been doing.
Hi no Tori is leaps and bounds above everything else Tezuka has done. Seems he would constantly put out manga pages daily for his entire life and then every once in a while distilled all his best, unused ideas into that.
Dororo manga RULES the art is divine and it’s darker than you’d expect, especially if going off the 2019 anime which really decreased the death and despair
The more distinct the style the better. Any current anime era going to make it generic to some extent. There's too few risk takers in the industry, sadly.
Read the phoenix one, and you can get WHY Kubrick want him on his team...
What?
@@kostajovanovic3711 Kubrick invite him to be the director from 2001:space oddysey
You’re basically making the same point with the same reasoning that the fellows in academia make about shit like Homer and Shakespeare, except with manga and anime.
No really it’s just about the same reasoning - classic shit is classic because it’s good and you can observe how they influenced future art.
I’m not faulting you for it, I just find it funny that you’re making a lot of the same points even though you generally do not hold University Academia in high regard.
Amir Butcher Shakespeare almost pisses me off because it's just so good and way better than a lot of stuff these days huahuahua a
He's just analyzing it, and its stuff that can and should be analyzed. Wish more people read japanese animation/manga like digi because it deffinatly has that value. And that's why i read it. I literally read manga every night after work and its not absentmindly. I'm probably not as articulate about these stories/art as digi but i have thoughts going through my mind and anything that inspires thought is worth this level of analysis. Also considering Shakespeare is not up to date really manga currently warrants more analysis than even these classics because more manga comes out everyday.
I personally think we are in a golden age of thought and literature and its not getting enough recognition
drayggenn draygenn I can’t argue with you on the merits of Shakespeare or the merits of modern Manga. But I do know people who can, and having read their work, I believe both are worth consuming for the same broad reasons manifesting differently in either artistic medium.
You are quite dismissive of old literature, particularly Shakespeare, and again I can’t immediately analyze its merits I do know you will incur the wrath of many, many people who will proclaim the value of these works.
All I ask is, like old manga, you give them a chance.
Oh yea sure i always give everything a chance. But something interesting to note. Nobody gave a shit about Shakespeare while he was alive. I think it will be a similar case with most mangas
I know he wasn't considered the GOAT during his lifetime, but wasn't he still one of the most popular playwrights of his day?