hey is not there a timelord clara oswald out there as she tell him what time machine to steal or was she only a ghost there nothing but a recording that only the doctor can see there
There's also the splinter from the late 1930's. We don't know which Doctor she encountered, but she made her way to New York for the World's Fair of 1939 and distracted Bucky Barnes while Steve Rogers slipped away and succeeded in enlisting. 😺
What I want to see is if there's a way for the Clara Splinters to fix the Timeless Child retcon... Oh, wait. The splintered Clara only saw 11 faces (12 if you count the War Doctor at the end). So the existence of Clara Splinters within the Doctor's timeline is itself a plot hole caused by the Timeless Child retcon. Way to go, Chibnall!!
what i love about clara and her splinters is that there are infinite stories you could tell, it's such an interesting concept, I wish the after effects were touched on more post-series 7 because I find it hard to believe that clara was completely fine afterwards
Don't forget the Clara splinters exist to stop the splinters of the "Great Intelligence" that are flying around inside the doctor's timeline- So even if it seems she's not doing anything, she's most likely fixing what TGI breaks.
@@phoenx8435 I like to think that Mr G Intelligence was how the Dalek inmates got access to the asylum and planned to get the Daleks to do his dirty work. Since the GI never shows up afterwards I assume his fragments aren't nearly as invulnerable as he originally was, maybe even being stuck in the human template he was using
Always thought it would be really cool if one of these days we get Jenna Colman back for a quick Clara splinter cameo. Nothing major, maybe just her savings the Doctor from crossing the road. A little reminder that their friend is still out there helping them out.
Honestly would be very interested to have RTD bring Moffat back on to do a story with Gatwa encountering a Clara Splinter, sort of acting as a way to help bring the Neo-RTD Universe back to the "standard" that it was pre-Chibnall (As the RTD and Moffat-era DW-Verse were very much the same imho, just the latter being an extension of it, not focusing as much on the interconnectedness due to the doctor going into hiding as part of the whole Death of The Doctor plotline)
I always saw it that all Clara splinters knew the whole story and knew that their purpose/goal was to save the Doctor from the Great Intelligence. That’s why she always seemed to seek him out and save him and that’s why she’d always say before she died “run you clever boy & remember (me).” I really don’t know why so many people disliked Clara. She’s probably my favourite companion looking back and she was fun. The only things that annoyed me were her relationship with Danny Pink (just didn’t think much of him) and the fact that after all the build up with the Impossible Girl arc, after it reached the climax, literally nothing else was ever mentioned about it ever again. As if everyone involved, both characters and writers, just magically forgot all about it.
Oh, yes. Same as you, I love Clara and I really disliked her couple with Danny Pink - there is an absence of chemisty between them, and her attachment to him seems contrived and doesn't make much sense to me (then again, I'm abolutely seeing Clara as gay, so I am biased). I don't see her echoes "knowing" on a conscious level, but I would like the effect of the "Impossible girl" plotline to have more effect on her and on the other seasons of the series.
@@abenerice we all know exactly why she was PAIRED WITH pink!! and you are so right, not even a single genuine spark could they make, no matter how good they try to act, it is just not there, and should never have been!! so forced!! and also somewhat around the time, I started loosing the interest in the show to be seen again.
I was thinking about this recently, and I realized something: As far as we know, the Doctor being The Timeless Child means that there are no limits on how many times they can regenerate. Thanks to the comics (the issue about Winnie, specifically) we also know that Clara’s splinters save the Doctor past their original regeneration cycle. This means that Clara Prime potentially got split up *infinitely*. Jenna Coleman should just be in every episode of the show, just hanging out in the background, and at the end of each series everyone compares notes to see if they spotted all of the Claras. Like a Whovian Where’s Waldo.
Before Hell Bent revealed what the diner in the episode actually was I genuinely believed that the Clara in the Diner was one of the remaining echoes from Name of the Doctor, since she acted so coy and like she didn't know him, considering the Doctor also brings up 'all the days he hasn't lived yet.' And considering his time stream is a tear in the fabric of reality, it only makes sense it can reach into the future timeline where The Doctor doesn't die on Trenzalore still making it back to this version of reality.
@@Quintingent Up until they turned around and said 'nah, it's real Clara running from death in her very own TARDIS diner.' Which honestly kind of peeved me off a bit.
As far as I know Matt Smith and Jenna Coleman can return to Doctor Who at any age and it will work in-universe since we know the eleventh Doctor grew old and the Clara echos while not prime Clara are able to be any age and from anywhere and when. Prime Clara while stuck at one age due to her return in Hell Bent but a simple retcon can be done somewhere in live action while Big Finish can just roll with it.
In the novel Sting of the Zygons, there is a character referenced called Clara. She's a maid of some kind and although we never actually meet her, there's nothing to contradict the idea that she's another splinter. Obviously, as the novel was published in 2007, that wasn't the intention but I still think it makes sense conceptually.
See I liked the theory that the little girl Cal from Silence of the Library might have been a Clara splinter as she does look like she could be a younger version of Clara.
Love Clara ❤️ Its ashame that Clara jumping into the Doctor's time stream is never mentioned after Day of the Doctor. Or that it was Clara who answered the question on Trenzalore. It would have helped refresh the audience's memory during series 8 & 9 as to why Clara was so important and why her bond with the Doctor was so intense. An episode between 12 and a splinter would've been fun too. Kinda how throughout Amy's run, the Doctor referenced her as "the little Scottish girl/the girl who waited", with Caitlin Blackwood reprising her role as young Amelia a couple of times. And of course, "Fish fingers and custard" aka their first bonding experience and the night they were both sealed into each other's hearts.
My understanding of the splinters is that they are always in the background, thrashing the great intelligence anytime his splinters tried to get the doctor killed.
Thank You Harbo for this. I love Clara, as many people do, and let's enjoy the stories that include her. She is a great character, and we have many good stories already existing about her (not mentioning the ones we can make up ourselves). Thank you for the incredible work you do.
I would love a mini series exploring the Clara echoes. An anthology series kind of like Marvel's "What if..." series. Doesn't have to explore all of the Claras, but would be smart to one for each Doctor up to David Tennant at least. Not saying I'd be upset about one farther in the Doctor's timeline.
If they did that, I'd like to see them do a story about Oswin having some kind of adventure aboard the Starship Alaska, where it ends with the ship crashing onto the Dalek Asylum. Just a fun thought I had :)
Seen as Jenna Coleman played queen victoria in the Victoria TV show, could we then argue that the queen victoria in tooth and claw was also a Clara variant?
5:17 I think I saw someone mention the idea that the version from that shot (assuming the location is The Library) did something to nudge the Doctor towards checking River's sonic.
They don't need an excuse to bring back a dead character, they just need to claim they left with a different future doctor whenever they went off screen while they were still alive, and were brought back to that same moment years later.
Looking at the very first episode of the show, it’s a spilt couple seconds but we can see a girl exiting Ian’s class that looks early similar to Clara. With the proper retcon she could be a Clara splinter.
As someone who generally isn’t a fan of Clara as a companion, I still think it would be cool for there to be a big finish series based around her splinters and all the places they end up going. Not only would it make Name of the doctor feel more impactful but it would also expand the universe in a healthy way. And with the popularity of Spider-Verse and Marvel multiverse stories, the concept of different variants in doctor who other than the time lords would possibly invite a new audience.
My favourite dumb Clara echo theory is a crossover in which in Captain America TFA, one of the women Bucky takes on the double date with Steve is a Clara echo. (Maybe even the same one in the comic and the one in Amy's book because of the fact it's in 30s-40s New York)
There was a minisode (episodes for charity) of the 11th doctor sitting on a swing sad, hoping to bump into Amy again after "Angels take Manhattan." Then a child girl talks to the doctor and helps him through his sadness and at the end the mother calls the girl clara
My head canon for why Clara/other Clara’s doesn’t appear after she disappears with “me” is because she was splintered due to the doctor’s death on trenzalore but that event didn’t happen when the doctor was given his regenerations meaning no more splinter Clara’s. Also my other head canon for why no nasty side effects happened for the doctor not dying on trenzalore was because the time lords intervened who technically weren’t even in the universe meaning they saw what happened if the universe did what it did in the future
Clara is basically a walking Deus Ex Machina. The number of time she saves the Doctor from TGI is numberless and this makes some Whovians angry with Clara, which is understandable. But they seem the forget that when you are his companion, th Doctor, the Oncoming Storm, the Great Exterminator, the Voice of God, the Vengeful God, the Lonely God, aka THE Most Powerful Being in the Universe, you tend to pick up a thing or two. And when you pick up a thing or two from someone who is infinitely great, the things you pick up will inevitably turn out to be tremendously great as well.
I never understood the hate. I love Clara. I named my cat Clara Oswin Oswald. It fits. She`s definitely turned out to be my impossible girl, and she is the boss of the household. Her brother Captain Jack Harkness the cat is bigger and stronger but she`s the boss
Should be an Infinite Clara spinoff series and it's just Endgame but every character is Clara and Clara has to collect I dunno the six Clara stones to rid the universe of half of the Claras so she can make sure there are enough resources to sustain the remaining claras
When first watching Hellbent, I thought Diner Clara was going to be an echo to sort of tie up the impossible girl arc - that the doctor will still encounter echoes but be completely unaware of their origin. But no, immortal Clara.
It's just the one, right? She's been scattered around time, and not always known about even by Clara herself. I love this idea in a fantasy world. So, others love or hate this to various degrees. Next to the doctors themselves, Clara is the deepest character and concept of character that the show has ever tackled. I'm very pro-Clara, and find her to be my favorite companion character of all time.
Nah I think they only go up to 11th, and btw this adds a somewhat sinister spin to a comic that Harbo is talking about in this video - if 12th and Clara meet a Clara splinter, and she doesn't die, that might mean that she dies later when the Doctor from 1 to 11 comes to the same place 🤔
@@johnny_thunder_3024 The splinter from the comics, Winnie, does end up saving the 12th Doctor, though. Even though it ended up not being where the Doctor dies, at that particular moment in time, it still was, hence the presence of his timestream. But, in The Day of the Doctor (the episode that follows this one, and the 50th anniversary special) it’s safe to assume that things have changed, because the last scene has all of the Doctors teaming up to save Gallifrey - including the Twelfth. I wonder if this indicates that events had already been altered enough that the likelihood of the Doctor continuing to live was high enough that, when the TGI entered his timestream, it was able to affect his future regenerations as well.
An egpyptian monarch Clara... The etnicity would be different, so if Doctor had encountered her previously, he wouldn't think about it when he met Clara prime, because they were completely different persons in apparence, culture and time zone. The most known female egyptian monarch is Cleopatra...and we know about Cleopatra and The Doctor (and don't forget Cleopatra and River). Think about it...
Surprised you didn’t mention the girl in the library from Silence in the Library. Always thought she looked like Clara and could definitely be a Clara splinter
5:25 I feel like she could be there before the Library went into original lockdown, maybe helping Cas lock up the library and save some people, making perfect ground for Doctor to come.
Here's a stretch: Given the older lady from The End of Time isn't the Doc's Mum, since timelords are loomed, not birthed, at the time the Doc comes on the scene. Clara could still have a splinter as the Mum of The Other, who gets loomed into the Doc.
I would still love to count Claire as one of the Claras. The actresses look alike and it would be nice to see an older echo save the Doctor. And was a really nice episode in the first place - one of the few in Chibnail's run that I was actually impressed with it (probably the best Angel episode since Blink).
Clara prime dies in Name of the Doctor. In Day of the Doctor we meet a fragment of her. That is why she suddenly is a school teacher, the Tardis no longer dislikes her, and she has a boyfriend that comes out of nowhere.
That would make sense. I always thought she should have died in Name of the Doctor. That action demanded a higher cost than Clara just magically somehow being fine. It was equivalent to Rose looking into the heart of the Tardis. Either the Doctor had to die or Rose did in order to "pay for" that power.
I liked Clara splintered. just a human, but available on a level comparable to the doctor. she and River Song were awesome in that it presented the transit of time being not just at the Doctor's beckoning... almost expect other Time lords to show up as their Tardis' re in theory as capable as the Doctor's. so more Clara, more Ashildr, and more River Song, please
This makes Clara the perfect answer for the hybrid being human dalek time lord and more simultaneously Also the prophecy from dalek khaan about a companion dying forever works quite well for clara
I wonder what happens to all the Clara's helping all the doctors probably several times each one. How does she cope with the aftermath of being stranded far from home...most likely to be killed or imprisoned by the antagonist for every time she saves his life
Well, I'll take one if there's one going spare. I think Clara was a very cool invention and Jenna Coleman is extremely beautiful. Although I'll probably pass on the Dalek one. Great video.
Incidentally, how does this idea work with the Timeless Child? It was pretty clear that the Doctor's timeline as seen in that ep ONLY went back to his known incarnations (otherwise he would've been visibly shocked at its representation being an order of magnitude larger than it should have been), so there should be an explanation for that, but if not, is it possible that Clara goes ALL the way back, from the Fugitive Doctor to Tectuen's foundling??
Don't forget the timeline also excluded the War Doctor since Clara was shocked to find out about him, so it's very possible that it also excluded pre-One Doctors
My theory is that Clara only starts popping up around 1-13 and that she didn't account for the Timeless child thing. And to be fair, how could she have accounted for that since even the Doctor doesn't know.
Does anyone know how I can read the Blood and Ice story? I know it's split across a couple of issues of Doctor Who Magazine, but I'm not sure how to access that as an American
Great episode as I knew it would be! Some people don't like the concept of Clara's splinters simply because they couldn't stand her character and the fact that her splinters meant that she would have a very large impact on the Doctor's timeline and history. She may not be the most popular Companion, but there's no denying that she's the most influential Companion of all time having interacted with, or helped, every incarnation of the Doctor up through 12. I'm sure if it had been some other Companion who was made to splinter, such as Amy, Rose or Donna, most fans wouldn't have a problem with it and possibly even love it. But not so for Clara. It's a great concept, and one that defintely fits the wiredness of Doctor Who. I only hope that one day Big Finish adapts some of these splinters into stories so we can have Jenna Coleman reprise these roles and flesh them out. Threre's a gold mine of adventures to tell with this concept. Prime Clara will always be my favorite, not just of all the splinters, but of all the Companions as well. Her arc with 12 was wonderful and highlighted the love, and destructiveness, of their relationship together. Not romantic love like 10 and Rose, but a deep, platonic one that went beyond friendship and mentor/ mentee. Victorian Clara was great too, maybe in an alternate timeline she doesn't die immediately in he Snowmen and is able to have some proper adventures with 11 before succumbing to her fate. If there ever is a Top 10 list of most influental Companions, Clara HAS to be at the top of that list! To the Impossible Girl and all her splinters, run you clever girl! And remember (her). ❤
I dunno, people can get tired of characters, even ones they like. It might be that the splinters sullies the lore of the series, regardless of who does it.
@@Xegethra Yeah, I get that, too. I don't mind her, so much, but I do get that making her directly responsible for: Inspiring the Doctor to face his fears as a child, choosing his TARDIS for him, saving his life literally more times than he's saved the Earth, etc. kinda diminishes his importance. Like, if she's this awesome, then why do we even NEED Doctor Who around?? Still didnt bug me as much as Moffat's constant putting down/showing up the Doctor in order to make his Creator's Pet River Song look so clever, but that's a gripe for another day...
@@Xegethra I don't know if it sullies the lore, I think it was an intersting concept. Some fans took to it, others didn't. It didn't help that Clara has always been a polarizing figure within the fandom. For me, if I really like a character I don't get tired of them. Maybe some fans always want to see a constant turnover with Companions to keep the show new and fresh. For me, instead, if they changed the Companion every season that would get too formulaic, just like the unwritten rule that a Doctor shouldn't last for more than three seasons/series. Regardless, I would like to see some of stories with Clara's splinters be made canon one day, maybe in a Big Finish audio series like they have done with other characters. You could expand the lore, and at the same time not tie the character down to the main show as certain fans would despise. That could work.
Honestly the new companion (Ruby) looks so much like Jenna Coleman from certain angles that they could make Ruby out to be a Clara splinter and it'd be believable.
Did Clara really go back to Trap Street though? We don't know that for sure. Also, she would have to have returned before the Master burnt down Gallifrey.
I quite enjoy the headcanon a lot of people have that every character Jenna Coleman plays out side of DW is another Clara echo. But maybe that's just me 😅 Also why would Jenna have been "scared off" doing more of the audio dramas?
I always thought that the splinters were her interaction with the Doctor's time stream, and she didn't actually get "reincarnated"... He never saw her as the Dalek in "Asylum of the Daleks", and for all we know, "Clara Oswald" looked completely differently, and the "splinter" made her look like "Clara Prime". Likewise for all the other interactions. She wasn't there to direct him to the "right" TARDIS, ... right? How could she be, since she hadn't splintered? But also, the splinters were CORRECTING the damage the Great Intelligence had done to the Doctor's life... So perhaps the direction was because he had been changed to go in the WRONG one, which would have changed the direction of his life. Fixed... And perhaps though he knows all along what to do to fix the chameleon circuit, he doesn't because that's how he can always recognize HIS TARDIS. We don't really get a glimpse of the damage the Great Intelligence did before Clara jumped into his time stream... but we know that whatever she did, he didn't actually die on Trenzalore as we'd heard he would... Was that also due to an echo of Clara? We know the new life was sent out... from Galifrey, purportedly... but truly, that might have been a figment of his imagination giving him "permission" to regenerate a 13th time. But then again, she didn't recognize the War Doctor ... and she didn't get to see the previous lives from before this series... (if he was the Timeless Child, of course...) But that's my view. :)
I just found this -- and it seems to give RTD the ammunition/inspiration he needs to explain multiple versions of each doctor, should he go that way. Hmmm...
Funny episode of DW would be, if Doctor mistakenly taken one of echos in place of his Clara! (Maybe it already exist, I just don't know it) It could be interesting.
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Um I've never heard that one flash of space clara being from the llibrary
I thought that was just showing the original Oswin from assylum
hey is not there a timelord clara oswald out there as she tell him what time machine to steal or was she only a ghost there nothing but a recording that only the doctor can see there
The title of the video says "How Many Clara is Actually ARE There in Doctor Who".
There's also the splinter from the late 1930's. We don't know which Doctor she encountered, but she made her way to New York for the World's Fair of 1939 and distracted Bucky Barnes while Steve Rogers slipped away and succeeded in enlisting. 😺
There are no such things as plotholes, you just didn't see a Clara Splinter fix it
Ah yes, plothles
Plot holes are the souffle, and she's got the recipes.
Ummm actually, all plot holes are explained in chapter 9 of the novelisation of the Day of the Doctor.
Clara literally just restored the entire universe after flux
What I want to see is if there's a way for the Clara Splinters to fix the Timeless Child retcon... Oh, wait. The splintered Clara only saw 11 faces (12 if you count the War Doctor at the end). So the existence of Clara Splinters within the Doctor's timeline is itself a plot hole caused by the Timeless Child retcon. Way to go, Chibnall!!
what i love about clara and her splinters is that there are infinite stories you could tell, it's such an interesting concept, I wish the after effects were touched on more post-series 7 because I find it hard to believe that clara was completely fine afterwards
yeah, I'm a little surprised we never got anymore episodes featuring a Clara Splinter in the show.
Clara is by far my favourite companion but The Impossible Girl I don't like too much, but I'd be onboard with this just to see more Clara
Don't forget the Clara splinters exist to stop the splinters of the "Great Intelligence" that are flying around inside the doctor's timeline- So even if it seems she's not doing anything, she's most likely fixing what TGI breaks.
Does this mean that Asylum of the Daleks had a Great Intelligence splinter manipulating things from the background? I wonder how that went
@@redjirachi1 could’ve ended with her ship crashing
@@phoenx8435 I like to think that Mr G Intelligence was how the Dalek inmates got access to the asylum and planned to get the Daleks to do his dirty work. Since the GI never shows up afterwards I assume his fragments aren't nearly as invulnerable as he originally was, maybe even being stuck in the human template he was using
Clara and Martha are the best companions. I love when the companion gets to do the smart plot realizations
Always thought it would be really cool if one of these days we get Jenna Colman back for a quick Clara splinter cameo. Nothing major, maybe just her savings the Doctor from crossing the road. A little reminder that their friend is still out there helping them out.
His friend.
@@MegaLokopo Obviously not mate, keep up. 😂😂
does this get exhausting dawg? @@MegaLokopo
@@honmanchan7375 Rule number one the doctor lies. Even about his gender when it is convenient for the conversation to progress quickly.
@@MegaLokopo friend... please... do you really have nothing better to do?
Honestly would be very interested to have RTD bring Moffat back on to do a story with Gatwa encountering a Clara Splinter, sort of acting as a way to help bring the Neo-RTD Universe back to the "standard" that it was pre-Chibnall (As the RTD and Moffat-era DW-Verse were very much the same imho, just the latter being an extension of it, not focusing as much on the interconnectedness due to the doctor going into hiding as part of the whole Death of The Doctor plotline)
I always saw it that all Clara splinters knew the whole story and knew that their purpose/goal was to save the Doctor from the Great Intelligence. That’s why she always seemed to seek him out and save him and that’s why she’d always say before she died “run you clever boy & remember (me).”
I really don’t know why so many people disliked Clara. She’s probably my favourite companion looking back and she was fun. The only things that annoyed me were her relationship with Danny Pink (just didn’t think much of him) and the fact that after all the build up with the Impossible Girl arc, after it reached the climax, literally nothing else was ever mentioned about it ever again. As if everyone involved, both characters and writers, just magically forgot all about it.
Oh, yes. Same as you, I love Clara and I really disliked her couple with Danny Pink - there is an absence of chemisty between them, and her attachment to him seems contrived and doesn't make much sense to me (then again, I'm abolutely seeing Clara as gay, so I am biased).
I don't see her echoes "knowing" on a conscious level, but I would like the effect of the "Impossible girl" plotline to have more effect on her and on the other seasons of the series.
@@abenerice we all know exactly why she was PAIRED WITH pink!! and you are so right, not even a single genuine spark could they make, no matter how good they try to act, it is just not there, and should never have been!! so forced!! and also somewhat around the time, I started loosing the interest in the show to be seen again.
Clara was the best perfect companion to the doctor .Reckless yes but she was still loyal and saved his life too
The "Timelord" Clara might be "Prime" Clara arriving back on Gallifrey far to early, having knackered the Tardis' navigation.
I was thinking about this recently, and I realized something: As far as we know, the Doctor being The Timeless Child means that there are no limits on how many times they can regenerate. Thanks to the comics (the issue about Winnie, specifically) we also know that Clara’s splinters save the Doctor past their original regeneration cycle.
This means that Clara Prime potentially got split up *infinitely*.
Jenna Coleman should just be in every episode of the show, just hanging out in the background, and at the end of each series everyone compares notes to see if they spotted all of the Claras. Like a Whovian Where’s Waldo.
Before Hell Bent revealed what the diner in the episode actually was I genuinely believed that the Clara in the Diner was one of the remaining echoes from Name of the Doctor, since she acted so coy and like she didn't know him, considering the Doctor also brings up 'all the days he hasn't lived yet.' And considering his time stream is a tear in the fabric of reality, it only makes sense it can reach into the future timeline where The Doctor doesn't die on Trenzalore still making it back to this version of reality.
Pretty sure that was the intention of that setup.
@@Quintingent Up until they turned around and said 'nah, it's real Clara running from death in her very own TARDIS diner.' Which honestly kind of peeved me off a bit.
I would prefer that plot
That’s actually canon. Winnie, the splinter from the comics, saves the twelfth Doctor, aka the first post-Trenzalore Doctor.
As far as I know Matt Smith and Jenna Coleman can return to Doctor Who at any age and it will work in-universe since we know the eleventh Doctor grew old and the Clara echos while not prime Clara are able to be any age and from anywhere and when. Prime Clara while stuck at one age due to her return in Hell Bent but a simple retcon can be done somewhere in live action while Big Finish can just roll with it.
In the novel Sting of the Zygons, there is a character referenced called Clara. She's a maid of some kind and although we never actually meet her, there's nothing to contradict the idea that she's another splinter. Obviously, as the novel was published in 2007, that wasn't the intention but I still think it makes sense conceptually.
See I liked the theory that the little girl Cal from Silence of the Library might have been a Clara splinter as she does look like she could be a younger version of Clara.
Love Clara ❤️
Its ashame that Clara jumping into the Doctor's time stream is never mentioned after Day of the Doctor. Or that it was Clara who answered the question on Trenzalore. It would have helped refresh the audience's memory during series 8 & 9 as to why Clara was so important and why her bond with the Doctor was so intense. An episode between 12 and a splinter would've been fun too.
Kinda how throughout Amy's run, the Doctor referenced her as "the little Scottish girl/the girl who waited", with Caitlin Blackwood reprising her role as young Amelia a couple of times. And of course, "Fish fingers and custard" aka their first bonding experience and the night they were both sealed into each other's hearts.
My understanding of the splinters is that they are always in the background, thrashing the great intelligence anytime his splinters tried to get the doctor killed.
Prime Clara has a TARDIS and is destined to return to Gallifrey so all Galifrey sightings of Clara could be the same splinter.
Thank You Harbo for this.
I love Clara, as many people do, and let's enjoy the stories that include her. She is a great character, and we have many good stories already existing about her (not mentioning the ones we can make up ourselves).
Thank you for the incredible work you do.
I would love a mini series exploring the Clara echoes. An anthology series kind of like Marvel's "What if..." series. Doesn't have to explore all of the Claras, but would be smart to one for each Doctor up to David Tennant at least. Not saying I'd be upset about one farther in the Doctor's timeline.
If they did that, I'd like to see them do a story about Oswin having some kind of adventure aboard the Starship Alaska, where it ends with the ship crashing onto the Dalek Asylum. Just a fun thought I had :)
I must say that would be a cool idea for a spin-off.
Seen as Jenna Coleman played queen victoria in the Victoria TV show, could we then argue that the queen victoria in tooth and claw was also a Clara variant?
Clara is "very obviously" the little girl that was imagining the library
Great video! I always found clara and her splinters throughout the doctor's time line such an interesting story!
There can never be too many Clara's. She should always come back.
5:17 I think I saw someone mention the idea that the version from that shot (assuming the location is The Library) did something to nudge the Doctor towards checking River's sonic.
They don't need an excuse to bring back a dead character, they just need to claim they left with a different future doctor whenever they went off screen while they were still alive, and were brought back to that same moment years later.
Looking at the very first episode of the show, it’s a spilt couple seconds but we can see a girl exiting Ian’s class that looks early similar to Clara. With the proper retcon she could be a Clara splinter.
As someone who generally isn’t a fan of Clara as a companion, I still think it would be cool for there to be a big finish series based around her splinters and all the places they end up going. Not only would it make Name of the doctor feel more impactful but it would also expand the universe in a healthy way. And with the popularity of Spider-Verse and Marvel multiverse stories, the concept of different variants in doctor who other than the time lords would possibly invite a new audience.
My favourite dumb Clara echo theory is a crossover in which in Captain America TFA, one of the women Bucky takes on the double date with Steve is a Clara echo. (Maybe even the same one in the comic and the one in Amy's book because of the fact it's in 30s-40s New York)
There was a minisode (episodes for charity) of the 11th doctor sitting on a swing sad, hoping to bump into Amy again after "Angels take Manhattan." Then a child girl talks to the doctor and helps him through his sadness and at the end the mother calls the girl clara
My head canon for why Clara/other Clara’s doesn’t appear after she disappears with “me” is because she was splintered due to the doctor’s death on trenzalore but that event didn’t happen when the doctor was given his regenerations meaning no more splinter Clara’s. Also my other head canon for why no nasty side effects happened for the doctor not dying on trenzalore was because the time lords intervened who technically weren’t even in the universe meaning they saw what happened if the universe did what it did in the future
Great video. Clara is my favourite of all of the Doctor's companions.
Clara is basically a walking Deus Ex Machina. The number of time she saves the Doctor from TGI is numberless and this makes some Whovians angry with Clara, which is understandable. But they seem the forget that when you are his companion, th Doctor, the Oncoming Storm, the Great Exterminator, the Voice of God, the Vengeful God, the Lonely God, aka THE Most Powerful Being in the Universe, you tend to pick up a thing or two. And when you pick up a thing or two from someone who is infinitely great, the things you pick up will inevitably turn out to be tremendously great as well.
I never understood the hate. I love Clara. I named my cat Clara Oswin Oswald. It fits. She`s definitely turned out to be my impossible girl, and she is the boss of the household. Her brother Captain Jack Harkness the cat is bigger and stronger but she`s the boss
Love the names!! 😂
I wouldn't be surprised if Clara turns out to be her own ancestor via time echo. Might as well add another bootstrap paradox to the Moffat pile
I always thought that Clara's splinters are not just copies, but fixed reincarnations of her, living, dying, born again, living, dying, again...
Thank you, now every show I watch I'm going to be looking for Clara splinters. No genuinely, thank you, this is hilarious
Should be an Infinite Clara spinoff series and it's just Endgame but every character is Clara and Clara has to collect I dunno the six Clara stones to rid the universe of half of the Claras so she can make sure there are enough resources to sustain the remaining claras
The BBC Second Doctor novel story Dying in the Sun would seem to be the best fit for Clara and the Second Doctor scene in California...
When first watching Hellbent, I thought Diner Clara was going to be an echo to sort of tie up the impossible girl arc - that the doctor will still encounter echoes but be completely unaware of their origin. But no, immortal Clara.
So if Doctor Who is still around in 30 years' time, Jenna Coleman can reappear as a splinter without needing anti-ageing makeup.
It's just the one, right? She's been scattered around time, and not always known about even by Clara herself. I love this idea in a fantasy world. So, others love or hate this to various degrees. Next to the doctors themselves, Clara is the deepest character and concept of character that the show has ever tackled. I'm very pro-Clara, and find her to be my favorite companion character of all time.
What we really need in-universe is an explanation of why one of the Clara splinters appears to be Ace.
The Clara splinters are such a universe breaking plot to be thrown in for one episode and then never mentioned again onscreen. 😑
She still is my favourite companion. But the brand new companion has quite a Clara vibe. We've seen her only once yet, but I've got good hopes!!!
If the Doctor's Trenzalore grave was averted in "Time of the Doctor" do the events of "Name of the Doctor" & the Clara echoes even happen anymore?
this is exactly what I've always wondered.
Nah I think they only go up to 11th, and btw this adds a somewhat sinister spin to a comic that Harbo is talking about in this video - if 12th and Clara meet a Clara splinter, and she doesn't die, that might mean that she dies later when the Doctor from 1 to 11 comes to the same place 🤔
@@johnny_thunder_3024 The splinter from the comics, Winnie, does end up saving the 12th Doctor, though.
Even though it ended up not being where the Doctor dies, at that particular moment in time, it still was, hence the presence of his timestream.
But, in The Day of the Doctor (the episode that follows this one, and the 50th anniversary special) it’s safe to assume that things have changed, because the last scene has all of the Doctors teaming up to save Gallifrey - including the Twelfth.
I wonder if this indicates that events had already been altered enough that the likelihood of the Doctor continuing to live was high enough that, when the TGI entered his timestream, it was able to affect his future regenerations as well.
I hope we will get to see a few more Clara's.
An egpyptian monarch Clara... The etnicity would be different, so if Doctor had encountered her previously, he wouldn't think about it when he met Clara prime, because they were completely different persons in apparence, culture and time zone.
The most known female egyptian monarch is Cleopatra...and we know about Cleopatra and The Doctor (and don't forget Cleopatra and River). Think about it...
a spinoff in the style of quantum leap but its a different clara in every episode would be cool
Surprised you didn’t mention the girl in the library from Silence in the Library. Always thought she looked like Clara and could definitely be a Clara splinter
Clara was a fun character.
You said there are only, 3 in the TV series, I would say 4. The Clara after Day of the Doctor is a splinter.
I've always thought Gia Kelly in The Seeds of Death was a Clara echo... she does have a vaguely similar appearance to Jenna Coleman
5:25 I feel like she could be there before the Library went into original lockdown, maybe helping Cas lock up the library and save some people, making perfect ground for Doctor to come.
I wish jenna coleman was in the background of some episodes in the future. She doesn't need a line. Just someone we see walk by
Here's a stretch: Given the older lady from The End of Time isn't the Doc's Mum, since timelords are loomed, not birthed, at the time the Doc comes on the scene. Clara could still have a splinter as the Mum of The Other, who gets loomed into the Doc.
"...chilling in the background". Yeah, I caught that, Harbo!
I would still love to count Claire as one of the Claras. The actresses look alike and it would be nice to see an older echo save the Doctor. And was a really nice episode in the first place - one of the few in Chibnail's run that I was actually impressed with it (probably the best Angel episode since Blink).
Clara prime dies in Name of the Doctor. In Day of the Doctor we meet a fragment of her. That is why she suddenly is a school teacher, the Tardis no longer dislikes her, and she has a boyfriend that comes out of nowhere.
That would make sense. I always thought she should have died in Name of the Doctor. That action demanded a higher cost than Clara just magically somehow being fine. It was equivalent to Rose looking into the heart of the Tardis. Either the Doctor had to die or Rose did in order to "pay for" that power.
I liked Clara splintered. just a human, but available on a level comparable to the doctor. she and River Song were awesome in that it presented the transit of time being not just at the Doctor's beckoning... almost expect other Time lords to show up as their Tardis' re in theory as capable as the Doctor's. so more Clara, more Ashildr, and more River Song, please
He didn't actually answer the question he posed, how many there are. :l
This makes Clara the perfect answer for the hybrid being human dalek time lord and more simultaneously
Also the prophecy from dalek khaan about a companion dying forever works quite well for clara
Clara is my favourite companion in Dr Who.
No one mentioned the Egyptian echo could be “Clarapatra”
I wonder what happens to all the Clara's helping all the doctors probably several times each one.
How does she cope with the aftermath of being stranded far from home...most likely to be killed or imprisoned by the antagonist for every time she saves his life
ok, hear me out here, the little girl we see that was uploaded into the library database, i forgot her name, she's 1 of the Clara splinters
Well, I'll take one if there's one going spare. I think Clara was a very cool invention and Jenna Coleman is extremely beautiful. Although I'll probably pass on the Dalek one.
Great video.
i hope clara comes back in the new season even if it’s just as a background character!
(one of clara’s splinters)
Nooooooo
@@NileSWPhotography it would make sense continuity wise tho lol, clara is meant to be in his whole timeline
Time for multi-Clara episodes
The correct answer is Not Enough.
Mrs Flood is definitely a Clara Splinter right?
The outfit with the collared blouse under the pastel sweater, the beret, calling him "clever boy"
Incidentally, how does this idea work with the Timeless Child? It was pretty clear that the Doctor's timeline as seen in that ep ONLY went back to his known incarnations (otherwise he would've been visibly shocked at its representation being an order of magnitude larger than it should have been), so there should be an explanation for that, but if not, is it possible that Clara goes ALL the way back, from the Fugitive Doctor to Tectuen's foundling??
Don't forget the timeline also excluded the War Doctor since Clara was shocked to find out about him, so it's very possible that it also excluded pre-One Doctors
My theory is that Clara only starts popping up around 1-13 and that she didn't account for the Timeless child thing. And to be fair, how could she have accounted for that since even the Doctor doesn't know.
Very easy - Chibnail's Who is not canon
Does anyone know how I can read the Blood and Ice story? I know it's split across a couple of issues of Doctor Who Magazine, but I'm not sure how to access that as an American
I researched it, and found it in the compiled album "Eye of Torment" at Doctor WHo Magasine.
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@@abenerice thank you so much!
Great episode as I knew it would be! Some people don't like the concept of Clara's splinters simply because they couldn't stand her character and the fact that her splinters meant that she would have a very large impact on the Doctor's timeline and history. She may not be the most popular Companion, but there's no denying that she's the most influential Companion of all time having interacted with, or helped, every incarnation of the Doctor up through 12. I'm sure if it had been some other Companion who was made to splinter, such as Amy, Rose or Donna, most fans wouldn't have a problem with it and possibly even love it. But not so for Clara.
It's a great concept, and one that defintely fits the wiredness of Doctor Who. I only hope that one day Big Finish adapts some of these splinters into stories so we can have Jenna Coleman reprise these roles and flesh them out. Threre's a gold mine of adventures to tell with this concept. Prime Clara will always be my favorite, not just of all the splinters, but of all the Companions as well. Her arc with 12 was wonderful and highlighted the love, and destructiveness, of their relationship together. Not romantic love like 10 and Rose, but a deep, platonic one that went beyond friendship and mentor/ mentee. Victorian Clara was great too, maybe in an alternate timeline she doesn't die immediately in he Snowmen and is able to have some proper adventures with 11 before succumbing to her fate.
If there ever is a Top 10 list of most influental Companions, Clara HAS to be at the top of that list! To the Impossible Girl and all her splinters, run you clever girl! And remember (her). ❤
I dunno, people can get tired of characters, even ones they like. It might be that the splinters sullies the lore of the series, regardless of who does it.
@@Xegethra Yeah, I get that, too. I don't mind her, so much, but I do get that making her directly responsible for: Inspiring the Doctor to face his fears as a child, choosing his TARDIS for him, saving his life literally more times than he's saved the Earth, etc. kinda diminishes his importance. Like, if she's this awesome, then why do we even NEED Doctor Who around?? Still didnt bug me as much as Moffat's constant putting down/showing up the Doctor in order to make his Creator's Pet River Song look so clever, but that's a gripe for another day...
@@HandofOmega Pretty much. I didn't mind her too much overall. It's what they did with her I don't like so much as opposed to her herself.
@@Xegethra I don't know if it sullies the lore, I think it was an intersting concept. Some fans took to it, others didn't. It didn't help that Clara has always been a polarizing figure within the fandom. For me, if I really like a character I don't get tired of them. Maybe some fans always want to see a constant turnover with Companions to keep the show new and fresh. For me, instead, if they changed the Companion every season that would get too formulaic, just like the unwritten rule that a Doctor shouldn't last for more than three seasons/series. Regardless, I would like to see some of stories with Clara's splinters be made canon one day, maybe in a Big Finish audio series like they have done with other characters. You could expand the lore, and at the same time not tie the character down to the main show as certain fans would despise. That could work.
"Run.Run you clever boy and remember me"!!! ❤❤❤
How many Clara's are there? Yes
oh Clara Clara Clara...
not only attractive n very talented but as important as billie pipers n elizabeth sladens characters!!!
Does anyone wonder whether Clara can encounter her echos in her travels with Me?
As we see in Blood and Ice, it is possible that she can. Whether she does is another question.
Actually, AO3 is your friend for that idea... 0:-)
I like to think that CAL from Silence in the Library is a Clara.
Maybe the Clara from futuristic city that people speculate that is library are the astronaut Clara
the Second Doctor runs past guys in hoddies, t-shirts with jeans, and sweatshirts with shorts…that’s early to mid-90s mens fashion
I've noticed 5:02 might be whatever era but I'm sure she's chasing Patrick Troughton here ( fur coat man()
I don't know about Clara--haven't watched those DVDs yet, but I know there is only one Rose, and she is the best companion of the Doctor ever!
I wouldn't mind seeing jenna come back for an episode or two with 15, but since she was a moffat character, who knows
Honestly the new companion (Ruby) looks so much like Jenna Coleman from certain angles that they could make Ruby out to be a Clara splinter and it'd be believable.
Did Clara really go back to Trap Street though? We don't know that for sure. Also, she would have to have returned before the Master burnt down Gallifrey.
I quite enjoy the headcanon a lot of people have that every character Jenna Coleman plays out side of DW is another Clara echo. But maybe that's just me 😅
Also why would Jenna have been "scared off" doing more of the audio dramas?
I always thought that the splinters were her interaction with the Doctor's time stream, and she didn't actually get "reincarnated"... He never saw her as the Dalek in "Asylum of the Daleks", and for all we know, "Clara Oswald" looked completely differently, and the "splinter" made her look like "Clara Prime". Likewise for all the other interactions. She wasn't there to direct him to the "right" TARDIS, ... right? How could she be, since she hadn't splintered? But also, the splinters were CORRECTING the damage the Great Intelligence had done to the Doctor's life... So perhaps the direction was because he had been changed to go in the WRONG one, which would have changed the direction of his life. Fixed... And perhaps though he knows all along what to do to fix the chameleon circuit, he doesn't because that's how he can always recognize HIS TARDIS. We don't really get a glimpse of the damage the Great Intelligence did before Clara jumped into his time stream... but we know that whatever she did, he didn't actually die on Trenzalore as we'd heard he would... Was that also due to an echo of Clara? We know the new life was sent out... from Galifrey, purportedly... but truly, that might have been a figment of his imagination giving him "permission" to regenerate a 13th time.
But then again, she didn't recognize the War Doctor ... and she didn't get to see the previous lives from before this series... (if he was the Timeless Child, of course...) But that's my view. :)
I just found this -- and it seems to give RTD the ammunition/inspiration he needs to explain multiple versions of each doctor, should he go that way. Hmmm...
Jenna as Romana. It would work. Gallifrey Clara could even be Romana.
There is a Clara in the Celestial Toymaker.
Funny episode of DW would be, if Doctor mistakenly taken one of echos in place of his Clara! (Maybe it already exist, I just don't know it) It could be interesting.
It's pronounced "OH-me-ga" not "o-MAY-ga" (Greek for Big O "O mega" versus Little O "O micron")
What about CAL from Silence in the Library? She saves Donna and River
the Fantastic Four has the Council of Reeds, and Rick & Morty has the Council of Ricks ... the Whoniverse should have the Council of Claras.
i firmly believe that fred from planet of the end is a clara echo, for no real reason
I would like to have seen more of Clara Splinters during Matt's era or talking about it on Capaldi's. It just became a failed plot
If there was a gallifreynian Clara, would she regenerate when she died? If she did, what would she look like then?
of course the doctors mother would be a Clara echo lol
Clara and Amy were the best companions