The BANNED Lore of Elder Scrolls Spacetime
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- A video about time, space, and that crazy thing the casual players all seem to miss when exploring the Elder Scrolls games.
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~ Further Reading ~
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Anuvanna'si. IceFireWarden's extensive examination of the role of the player character inside the lore of TES.
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The New Whirling School. Focuses on analysis of the 36 Sermons, both from within the universe and as they relate to real mythology and the writings of Croweley.
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Metaphysics of Morrowind. A truly classic set of blog posts, examining Vivec as a character aware of his status as a character. While some people don't subscribe to many of its conclusions, it's an excellent bit of analysis!
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ShoddyCast HI!
ShoddyCast I'd love more of this. Mainly would love to see you 2 podcasting again in some way!
ShoddyCast I was wondering if you can do a story telling on the sonic series
ShoddyCast yo josh hope you ok and all with the car accident thanks for new video too
Is the fallout 4 mod still going on and I'm happy you are back
Top notch video, I did not expect to see Terence Mckenna or DMT Machine Elves in an Elder Scrolls video. Michael Kirkbride is the one to thank for these concepts in the TES universe. He wrote / conceptualized a lot of Morrowind's lore which is now considered the best or most interesting lore in the Elder Scrolls series. He no doubt has met the Machine Elves, in real life. In which dimension though? Well, that's a story for another day.
Your take on this camel? lol
Well, I suppose the best way to find out, would be to ask Kirkbride himself. But just like Lord Vivec, he'd probably give you a very cryptic answer 😉.
That's right. To think that C0DA fits into it in a way I cannot see clearly. (° ° )
I honestly surprised that shoddycast, or camel even know who terence McKenna is. Most of the people I talk to about him have no clue who he was or anything that he did. Good to see u guys helping get the word out there.
God is the mirror by which we observe itself, basically
Reality is god's dream, so what happens when god wakes up?
Just a fun fact: At the end of the Clockwork City DLC in TES:O Sotha Sil very discreetly breaks the fourth wall if you question him. He calls you the "Prisoner" and says he calls you this because while you know you're in a "prison cell" (a video game,) but unlike him you can also see the bars of the cell (the tv or computer screen.)
The hole ending of Clockwork City was amazing.
Tomte Yeah I felt they did a good job really capturing Sotha Sil from Morrowind
I mean there is not so much Sotha Sil in Morrowind.
Tomte I meant based on the info we were given in Morrowind, his corpse wasn't very informative
Connor S LOL
"I have been Josh, we'll catch you later" - Josh's final words on Shoddycast
@@Adrian2140 fraid not. He up and abandoned Shoddycast.
@@pokefanjd5033he unfortunately passed away over a week ago
When you about to CHIM but you accidentally zero-sum 😖😖
I hate when that happens, it’s really annoying.
Does it make me a total melvin if I point out that in order to chim you have to actually zero sum so you would be zero suming either way, its just that the fact that you were erased from existence also gets erased.
SilverBison very sad
SilverBison
Keep Kirkbride's self-indulgent bullshit out of TES. Just play the games and enjoy the lore that doesn't read like a bad acid trip.
@@reidparker1848 This is the wrong video to say pal. Did you eveb watch the video?
It’s now confirmed that Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil were all just on one major acid trip.
You left me in tears, I've not watched this channel in years. Not since elementary school. And this video, it's everything I've ever hoped for in the best of all worlds. Psychedelics, TES, philosophy, it's glorious.
Holy shit....
Last season *wink
I sat down and played Oblivion. I couldn't do a single thing because I would talk to the NPCs and I could feel the words go in my right ear, over top of my brain and leaked into the aether via my left.
So I ran about the open world, for hours.
Every time nght fell (Oblivion's sky is beautiful at night) I couldn't help literally stopping in place just to stare. I actually felt like I was there.
One of the nights my silly ass was looking skyward....
I got attacked by a bear.
I have never shit myself as much in my life. It was only a split second and I didn't "go bad" but it felt like I was ripped back through the tv and into my body.
10/10 would recommend
I went back to look at your old videos and I remembered when I first watched anything by y’all and that was 4 years ago, and looking back at all that has happened and I found it appropriate to mention it on a video about time
I've always thought elder scrolls lore was too deep for just a normal play through. Even when I first played it I could sense something far deeper than just shooting magic fireballs at spiders and bandits. There seemed to be accurate consistent believes of the people, races (and their origins, relations etc.), relations between states and provinces and finally philosophy and religions. It's literally a whole other world that people in this one can immerse themselves in because it is so closely related to the issues and occurrences in our own. Master piece.
Elder Scrolls 6 will be stopping someone from making an alarm clock, awakening the Godhead
So glad you're alright, and that the channel is posting again.
Know that is some other universe,
a warrior mage barbarian relaxes by playing a Sim game, where his in game character runs a retail shop from an office cubical...
You are my favourite TES channel. You always puzzle my mind and give me a new outlook every time I load my old saves. You inspired me to explore every inch of these games, and I want to thank you
Wooooo a new Shoddycast video! Today is a good day.
Nathlaaar right my notification didn't go off, let's spread the word
Ok this is without a doubt the trippiest vid so far guys, nothing wrong with that though. It's videos like this that really do keep drawing me back to TES and Fallout. What can I say, this stuff is just really gets a knoggin' joggin'
You know what's wierd? My name is also Josh, I was in a car accident over Shoddycast's hiatus, and one of my side-effects of that accident is everything smells better... That's some funky stuff considering that that's in THIS video.
THANK THE NINE!!!! A new ShoddyCast!!!! I often wondered why I was still breathing lately
Terrence Mckenna and Alan Watts in an Elder Scrolls video, so unexpected. Good video
Well, i though i was nuts for seeing the connections with McKenna. Now i know we are both crazy! DMT changed my life, and it warms my heart to see it talked about in any context
How did I not hear the word CHIM once
ikr
It doesn't need to be spoken of, like the metaphysics of the games it's always there, with the knowledge of it you know it's there
Look at me
Keep Kirkbride's self-indulgent bullshit out of TES. Just play the games and enjoy the lore that doesn't read like a bad acid trip.
@@reidparker1848 ESO is pointing towards Mikeys lore being accepted
Dio Brando
Not really. It gets a few cute references, nothing more. "Ayrenn is a centurion!"
Guys glad to see the channel is not dead :)
Man shoddycast keeps making videos that make me question my existence, well done.
Loved the short Alan Watts excerpt at the beginning. Awesome video!
This video should have just been solely about how Michael Kirkbride was heavy into psychedelic drugs
That's nuts.
First: Hope you're okay and/or recovering. May your recovery be swift and complete.
Second: Holy crap, dude. I'd love to hear more stuff like this, delving into the Hawking-ish level of the TES universe.
Claves Septem
Godless fool.
Dam I forgot i was even subbed
Connan B same xD
I forgot they exsisted untill i saw this video.
Connan B lol it had been so long I unsubscribed I just remembered this channel randomly and checked to see if they decided to post a video this year lol
I didn't get this in my sub box and I'm really mad because I instantly watch every single video you guys make there wonderfull
Finally a new video. You guys always amaze
Wow, still making the finest TES videos on TH-cam. I love your channel dude.
This is one of the better videos I've watched in a very long time
WHOOO That production quality hit me like a freight train love it I don’t care if it takes another 2 months keep doing this
I always assumed the elder scrolls were a reference to the game’s code itself.
Mr. Lanier
That'd be great.
Yea, same here. The scrolls are the link of the game world w/the developer's & all possibilities they could imagine.
Makes sense, especially considering the elder scrolls are supposed to show every version of events, which would make sense being game
I was almost convinced you guys weren’t coming back, glad to see you guys back at it and I hope I’ll be seeing a lot more of you guys soon
When I googled "clockwork elves" I got some conspiracy article and a video of Alex Jones' ramblings...
That'd be because it's a conspiracy theory.
Loved the video! I’m a big lore nerd myself so I had a big nerdasm while watching this video. Thanks to the entire ShoddyCast crew for all the content you guys create! And don’t worry about the gap in videos, I don’t speak for anyone else but I understand that videos are hard to make and take time, and that they can get interrupted by irl events, so don’t sweat it. Stay awesome shoddycast!
Hell yeah! A new shoddycast video! And a damn good one at that. Thanks!
The concept of consciousness altering drugs is also prevalent in the Fallout series as well, Mama Murphy uses "The Sight" to give vague foreboding messages of future events that come true
she gets "The Sight" from taking chems
PS: Possible Spoilers on The Dwemer Disappearance
After the Arniel's Endeavor quest touching on the disappearance of the Dwarves,
after the necessary preparation, Arniel disappeared suddenly into the prepped soul gem, similar to how the dwarves were described as disappearing in a single night
I figured the Dwarves may have trapped themselves in empty soul gems, possibly the ones around Tamriel or specifically the Geode Veins of Blackreach (which also give Black soul gems, AKA souls of sentient humanoid beings)
kind of reminds me of the whole metaphysical properties of crystals and crystalline consciousness stuff in New Age Spirituality
ahhh that's why they call them *High* elves xD
Spit Fire ayyylmao
For some reason, this reminds me of a picture of Michael Kirkbride lying on the floor naked, looking confused as heck.
I saw that clockwork elf thing only with wings on a guided meditation once (no hallucinogenic substances necessary except the ones produced by your brain actually). I was pretty spooked when you mentioned it and how it's so universal. As my dad would say "woah, far out man".
I’m an extreme Terence McKenna fan, I was caught off guard by this videos hard right turn, I love it
Vivec is woke af😂
Niggas gotta get woke before the big boy wakes up
Get woke, go broke. Vivec did.
That's why he's one of the coolest characters of all time in my opinion.
@@DeusVult87 Talos would slaughter those part of the Woke religion
This is still one of my favourite ShoddyCast videos!
Ancient Aliens but it's Elder Scrolls
I am ready for part 2. My mind is willing.
The video references the Dwemer disappearing because of attempts to use Elder Scrolls, but correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm certain that's not the case at all.
In 1E 700, at the Battle of Red Mountain, the Dwemer Chief Tonal Architect, Kagrenac, with his tools, Wraithguard, Sunder and Keening, attempted to bind the Dwemer to the Heart of Lorkhan, in an attempt to raise a new Numidium of his own design and use it's divine power to either enhance the Dwemer people entirely or rather to convert the souls of all Dwemer into the Numidium itself
At the very moment that Kagrenac activated the Numidium, a Dragon Break occurred. In TES history, Dragon Breaks have occurred with EVERY Numidium activation.
It is unknown exactly what happened or what rituals were used, it is unknown if the Nerevarine fell in battle, or if he was betrayed, or if he succeeded. Scholars of the event are inclined to agree all situations are true at once, the one thing everyone agree's on however, the one thing we all know, is that the Battle of Red Mountain concluded with every dwarf except from Yagrum Bagrum, who was residing in an Outer Plane at the time, disappearing entirely.
Depending on which theory is true, it's possible that all the Dwemer were technically alive (albeit as souls) during the events of TES III, but would have been destroyed when the Nerevarine destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan and Kagrenac's Numidium along with it.
No, they just likened the Dwemer's disappearance to the misuse of their tools - whether those tools be Kagrenac's or the Elder Scrolls themselves, they all have the underlying themes of time and space
Ah, after rewatching I can see where I made a mistake, I would say however that the commentator doesn't do a very good job of separating those 2 ideas
- Talks about how Elder Scrolls can manipulate reality and time
- Dwemer disappeared
- "This isn't the first time this has happened"
It sounds like he's implying the Elder Scrolls did this, especially with that, "This isn't the first time this has happened" line and then references Alduin being cast adrift using the scrolls as his example of another time this has happened. But as we both know, what happened with Alduin and the fate of the Dwarves are nowhere near comparable
Yeah, I agree. It's not their best video, though to be fair they're dealing with a fairly complicated facet of the game's lore. They also likened Vivec a lot to the Dwemer, despite the metaphysics surrounding both of them being very different.
He said the Dwemer disappeared after misusing their tools.
You see those comments above your Matthew? Should try reading them :^)
To quote the 10th Doctor in the episode *Blink*: "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff."
valiroime
(yawn)
more atheist materialists with inflated egos making pronouncements.
Your concept of Vivec might be a bit off. He isn't a god like the player characters, because they're not gods. Vivec is a god because he and the other two tribunal gods drew power from the heart of Lorkhan. His powers diminish if he does not bathe in the divine power yearly, this was the whole plot of Morrowind. The Nerevarine (the player) has to take out the guy who's been stealing that same power that Vivec gets his godhood from.
I would say he was a god. He wasn't born one but what else would you call an immortal and all powerful being?
Godhood aside, it is clear he had the power to understand existence and time, imo.
So worth the wait. Fantastic work! May whatever you produce next be as well-produced as this.
This stuff is what keeps me going
You're not alone
As long the videos are on this level of quality, I don't have a problem to wait several month for a new month.
The only problem could be the TH-cam algorithms.
The ending of the words is ALMSIVI
I tried playing Skyrim while tripping on shrooms and just ended up running around aimlessly for about an hour.
Okay, see you in next kalpa I guess?
Awesome one. This video was as trip. lol ;-) Sorry to hear about the accident Josh. Hope you've made a full recovery.
Sorry to hear about your life, but great you are still doing videos. I would like once again ask how is your Brotherhood of Steel project is coming along? As that's one of the videos, mod, I have been waiting to see since I heard it. And so I would like to know what is going on with it.
Please bring back the Storyteller series for The Elder Scrolls, we would love it even if the storyteller is not the same person. Maybe it could be like the kid grew up or a librarian from the Imperial city
ShoddyCast is NOT dead? What in Oblivion is going on??
"one more game?"
"naw bro ill get back on tomorrow, peace out"
*last online 4 years ago*
You guys haven’t uploaded in what 2 months? How are y’all?
Probably the best Shoddy Cast ep to date. Great work guys.
This all well and good. But damn I miss the story teller... Hell it would be cool to see him get zapped through a portal and go to the TES world, walk around there finding books, and then... telling stories.
You posted this on my birthday. This makes me quite happy, thank you 😁.
We call people insane, however after working alot with people who are insane. I some time feel that some of them have figured something out we all cant unerstand.
Uncle Sheogorath makes good cheese
The Native Americans didn't believe in insanity. It was believed they possessed keys to an understanding others failed to grasp. It's not so much that theyre crazy rather the information has overwhelmed the brain capacity. Because there's no understandable way to transfer the information to others.
"Be of one mind, one heart."
MayfallTribe that is really interesting! Could you direct me too where i can look into this deeper
nisi bonum hmm, the title is lost to me, sadly. You may be able to find it on YT?
Sorry I can't be of more help.
me: this "godhead with a thousand faces" book is incomprehensible!
shodycast: yes, this is the work of Lalaveyon Saunders, we haven't heard from him in awhile
Wow the calm sophisticated way of talking and then, "he was woke as fuck" I fucking lost it.
It's funny that I read an article, on the same day I saw this video, about scientists proving that psilocin does in fact increase divergent thinking in someone who uses it.
Dude your the best honestly keep up the great work
This was exactly the video I was meant to see right now
what is this music it is majestic. do you have a link shoddy?
Sgt. Hirntot the first track from the beginning sounds similar to We Are All Astronauts' style. At least reminded me of one. Also try Marc Streitenfield and Borrtex.
NEW SHODDYCAST! Thx guys, I’m actually playing Skyrim while listening
play Morrowind & Redguard & their dlcs.
This is just like the Fallout universe, it's on the quantum horizon. However, I think Obsidian does a better job.
Thank you for making the elder scroll universe so vivid
Too bad you sold THE SCIENCE to fatpat
Austin’s schtick is old already. It’s way too forced at this point.
MercuriallyStatic yeh i was bored by the time he left
Felix B
*asspat
That was some bullshit.
ALeKS So are there still SCIENCE videos on another channel? What's that called? They were some of the best uploads...
I've been making connections like these recently and it's great to see this piece explore them. Awesome video!
the dwemer got teleported to earth and we are their ancestors
IPwnd sounds similar to my theory that Atmora is Scandanavia here on Earth. The Nords through some magic we're able to open another dimension and travel to what is known as Nirn.
No. Both of you STOP with these stupid theories. Elder Scrolls univer is NOT in our universe. Anyone who had decent knowledge of lore would fucking know this. Even Bethesda themselves, Pete Hines said Elder Scrolls and Fallout are not the same universe (in-case u dont know Fallout takes place in an alternate universe to ours)
They didn't say they were in the same univerese. This concept deals with MULTIPLE dimensions. No theory that Fallout and TES are in the same universe is stated.
Tyler Christensen atmorans lived to be thousands of years old that theory makes no sense whatsoever
miss me with yo gay fan-fiction
WHOO YOU GUYS ARE BACK
So Vivec is like Dr. Manhattan?
CancerMania yes exactly
This was really well done, you have an incredible knack for storytelling !
way back in the day in Morrowind i killed vivec and it took a looong time. i had to keep leaving the temple to heal and re-entering it because he doesn't follow you. He fights bare fisted (which drains health and stamina, making you faint) and is super strong but he is killable.
Ya should have downloaded the Witch King Sword mod, he'll been dead quick enough....also keep them repair hammers close because that sword breaks very easily.
I thought you were reaching until you made the connection between clockwork elves and machine elves. Then you went on to compare the Elder Scrolls to psychedelics which is another good analogy.
Good stuff.
To me every bit of lore written by Kirkbride (the guy who wrote Vivec's lore, among much of the TESIII lore) is like the writing of George Lucas. It's interesting when there're other writers there to reign his madness in, but if he's given full control of the lore it because stupid.
you should check out r/teslore because i think you just got banned from it
It seems every TH-cam comment section must have its own pretentious pseudointellectual Rick and Morty fan to sit in his mother's basement and bitch at the real intellectuals and philosophers.
did you just call yourself an intellectual for reading coda?
I didn't.
IoKnight dude I couldn't agree more. People like George Lucas and Michael Kirkbride are the definitive proof that there really is a very thin line between madness and genius
The Tribunal has returned with information we didn't need but couldn't live without it... SHODDY CAST COME HOME
Some very intriguing stuff, but this was a little disappointing. I was expecting to get hit with a mind bomb or a few, but they never came for me. The point "The Elder Scrolls has some funky time stuff going on and psychedelics screw with our perceptions" feels disconnected and isn't exactly an exciting revelation in and of itself... Looking forward for future videos though. Hope life starts to go more smoothly for ShoddyCast!
Damn man, I am obsessed about time physicly speaking! Now The Elder Scrolls has a new meaning
No screaming from shoddy what is this witchcraft
This was bloody amazing. Brilliantly put together too.
car accident!! i hope everything is alright! no causalities?
FINALLY FOUND YOU CHANNEL!!! I love your vids on GT, but I couldn´t find your channel!!! THANK GOD
*YOUR MUSIC IS TOO DAMN LOUD SON!!!*
Constantly listening to Terence McKenna lectures. His videos are even showing up in my suggested videos on the side of my screen now lol. Never thought that I would see him in an Elder Scrolls video though lol.
What the hell is the point of this video? You guys really didn't have a single point in this video just unorganized talk, so what exactly do you mean with "The time-shattering METAPHYSICS of the Elder Scrolls DECODED!" ? What was decoded here?
shrooms man ! SHROOMS
Morogoth when you're dealing with these crazy metaphysical concepts, a rational point is hard to discern really. That's kind of the point of crazy metaphysics
Metaphysics by definition can't be decoded because it's just a pretentious name for stoner talk. I appreciate psychedelics too but they're just fun. By definition they cloud your sense of reality.
Tell that to Shoddycast, they had a completely different title atleast 3 times on this video.
So happy to see more ES lore related videos!
Also, every time I hear "I have been Josh," I think, "Well then who are you now?"
You forgot to mention Michael Kirkbride(A former lead lore writer) was high on acid in most of his writings. Just read one of his outside of Bethesda writing, like C0DA.
Duc Volpe +1
Love you Shoddy.
Always nice to see you.
Im still watching a skyrim video right??
I can believe this didnt pop up in my sub box and i didnt see it till a week after in my recommendations... Anyway, this was a great video. Even tho i knew about the whole 4th dimension stuff, i really liked how u put it all together. Hope it wasnt a serious accident, and cant wait for the next vid.
You dont worship saints
their churches down graded them to Saints after death/being less public.
they were chimer, then DÆdra, then Saints,
as of the 4th Era only Vivec remains.
This is a great video to watch at 3am while waiting out a hangover o.o