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The BANNED Lore of Elder Scrolls Spacetime
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2018
- A video about time, space, and that crazy thing the casual players all seem to miss when exploring the Elder Scrolls games.
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Anuvanna'si. IceFireWarden's extensive examination of the role of the player character inside the lore of TES.
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The New Whirling School. Focuses on analysis of the 36 Sermons, both from within the universe and as they relate to real mythology and the writings of Croweley.
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Metaphysics of Morrowind. A truly classic set of blog posts, examining Vivec as a character aware of his status as a character. While some people don't subscribe to many of its conclusions, it's an excellent bit of analysis!
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ShoddyCast I'd love more of this. Mainly would love to see you 2 podcasting again in some way!
ShoddyCast I was wondering if you can do a story telling on the sonic series
What happened to your Fallout 4 mod you were making with going memory loungers what happened to that
ShoddyCast yo josh hope you ok and all with the car accident thanks for new video too
Top notch video, I did not expect to see Terence Mckenna or DMT Machine Elves in an Elder Scrolls video. Michael Kirkbride is the one to thank for these concepts in the TES universe. He wrote / conceptualized a lot of Morrowind's lore which is now considered the best or most interesting lore in the Elder Scrolls series. He no doubt has met the Machine Elves, in real life. In which dimension though? Well, that's a story for another day.
Your take on this camel? lol
Well, I suppose the best way to find out, would be to ask Kirkbride himself. But just like Lord Vivec, he'd probably give you a very cryptic answer 😉.
That's right. To think that C0DA fits into it in a way I cannot see clearly. (° ° )
I honestly surprised that shoddycast, or camel even know who terence McKenna is. Most of the people I talk to about him have no clue who he was or anything that he did. Good to see u guys helping get the word out there.
God is the mirror by which we observe itself, basically
Reality is god's dream, so what happens when god wakes up?
Just a fun fact: At the end of the Clockwork City DLC in TES:O Sotha Sil very discreetly breaks the fourth wall if you question him. He calls you the "Prisoner" and says he calls you this because while you know you're in a "prison cell" (a video game,) but unlike him you can also see the bars of the cell (the tv or computer screen.)
The hole ending of Clockwork City was amazing.
Tomte Yeah I felt they did a good job really capturing Sotha Sil from Morrowind
I mean there is not so much Sotha Sil in Morrowind.
Tomte I meant based on the info we were given in Morrowind, his corpse wasn't very informative
Connor S LOL
"I have been Josh, we'll catch you later" - Josh's final words on Shoddycast
Does he have a different channel? I love his videos.
@@Adrian2140 fraid not. He up and abandoned Shoddycast.
@@pokefanjd5033 Ah dang. I loved Josh's editing style, points and voice. That sucks. Anyway thanks for replying to a 3yo comment.
When you about to CHIM but you accidentally zero-sum 😖😖
I hate when that happens, it’s really annoying.
Does it make me a total melvin if I point out that in order to chim you have to actually zero sum so you would be zero suming either way, its just that the fact that you were erased from existence also gets erased.
SilverBison very sad
SilverBison
Keep Kirkbride's self-indulgent bullshit out of TES. Just play the games and enjoy the lore that doesn't read like a bad acid trip.
@@reidparker1848 This is the wrong video to say pal. Did you eveb watch the video?
Holy shit....
Last season *wink
I sat down and played Oblivion. I couldn't do a single thing because I would talk to the NPCs and I could feel the words go in my right ear, over top of my brain and leaked into the aether via my left.
So I ran about the open world, for hours.
Every time nght fell (Oblivion's sky is beautiful at night) I couldn't help literally stopping in place just to stare. I actually felt like I was there.
One of the nights my silly ass was looking skyward....
I got attacked by a bear.
I have never shit myself as much in my life. It was only a split second and I didn't "go bad" but it felt like I was ripped back through the tv and into my body.
10/10 would recommend
It’s now confirmed that Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil were all just on one major acid trip.
I've always thought elder scrolls lore was too deep for just a normal play through. Even when I first played it I could sense something far deeper than just shooting magic fireballs at spiders and bandits. There seemed to be accurate consistent believes of the people, races (and their origins, relations etc.), relations between states and provinces and finally philosophy and religions. It's literally a whole other world that people in this one can immerse themselves in because it is so closely related to the issues and occurrences in our own. Master piece.
Know that is some other universe,
a warrior mage barbarian relaxes by playing a Sim game, where his in game character runs a retail shop from an office cubical...
Ok this is without a doubt the trippiest vid so far guys, nothing wrong with that though. It's videos like this that really do keep drawing me back to TES and Fallout. What can I say, this stuff is just really gets a knoggin' joggin'
Elder Scrolls 6 will be stopping someone from making an alarm clock, awakening the Godhead
Wooooo a new Shoddycast video! Today is a good day.
Nathlaaar right my notification didn't go off, let's spread the word
You left me in tears, I've not watched this channel in years. Not since elementary school. And this video, it's everything I've ever hoped for in the best of all worlds. Psychedelics, TES, philosophy, it's glorious.
How did I not hear the word CHIM once
ikr
It doesn't need to be spoken of, like the metaphysics of the games it's always there, with the knowledge of it you know it's there
Look at me
Keep Kirkbride's self-indulgent bullshit out of TES. Just play the games and enjoy the lore that doesn't read like a bad acid trip.
@@reidparker1848 ESO is pointing towards Mikeys lore being accepted
Dio Brando
Not really. It gets a few cute references, nothing more. "Ayrenn is a centurion!"
Terrence Mckenna and Alan Watts in an Elder Scrolls video, so unexpected. Good video
I went back to look at your old videos and I remembered when I first watched anything by y’all and that was 4 years ago, and looking back at all that has happened and I found it appropriate to mention it on a video about time
Well, i though i was nuts for seeing the connections with McKenna. Now i know we are both crazy! DMT changed my life, and it warms my heart to see it talked about in any context
You know what's wierd? My name is also Josh, I was in a car accident over Shoddycast's hiatus, and one of my side-effects of that accident is everything smells better... That's some funky stuff considering that that's in THIS video.
Dam I forgot i was even subbed
Connan B same xD
I forgot they exsisted untill i saw this video.
Connan B lol it had been so long I unsubscribed I just remembered this channel randomly and checked to see if they decided to post a video this year lol
You are my favourite TES channel. You always puzzle my mind and give me a new outlook every time I load my old saves. You inspired me to explore every inch of these games, and I want to thank you
Wow, still making the finest TES videos on TH-cam. I love your channel dude.
Man shoddycast keeps making videos that make me question my existence, well done.
ahhh that's why they call them *High* elves xD
Spit Fire ayyylmao
This is still one of my favourite ShoddyCast videos!
WHOOO That production quality hit me like a freight train love it I don’t care if it takes another 2 months keep doing this
This video should have just been solely about how Michael Kirkbride was heavy into psychedelic drugs
Finally a new video. You guys always amaze
I’m an extreme Terence McKenna fan, I was caught off guard by this videos hard right turn, I love it
For some reason, this reminds me of a picture of Michael Kirkbride lying on the floor naked, looking confused as heck.
When I googled "clockwork elves" I got some conspiracy article and a video of Alex Jones' ramblings...
That'd be because it's a conspiracy theory.
This is one of the better videos I've watched in a very long time
Loved the video! I’m a big lore nerd myself so I had a big nerdasm while watching this video. Thanks to the entire ShoddyCast crew for all the content you guys create! And don’t worry about the gap in videos, I don’t speak for anyone else but I understand that videos are hard to make and take time, and that they can get interrupted by irl events, so don’t sweat it. Stay awesome shoddycast!
Please bring back the Storyteller series for The Elder Scrolls, we would love it even if the storyteller is not the same person. Maybe it could be like the kid grew up or a librarian from the Imperial city
Hell yeah! A new shoddycast video! And a damn good one at that. Thanks!
I always assumed the elder scrolls were a reference to the game’s code itself.
Mr. Lanier
That'd be great.
Yea, same here. The scrolls are the link of the game world w/the developer's & all possibilities they could imagine.
Makes sense, especially considering the elder scrolls are supposed to show every version of events, which would make sense being game
I think they're symbolic of each player's game. The Elder Scrolls show every possibility for a specific event, but as the lore says, "Without the hero, there is no event." Every major events is caused by the player, and so every player's journey is true, all recorded in the Elder Scrolls. Magnus, the Architect of the Mundas, then keeps them in his Solar Library, enshrined forever in the magical sun. The Elder Scrolls are all of our stories, magically preserved in memory.
As long the videos are on this level of quality, I don't have a problem to wait several month for a new month.
The only problem could be the TH-cam algorithms.
I knew it was gonna be good when I heard Alan Watts in the beginning.
Ancient Aliens but it's Elder Scrolls
Vivec is woke af😂
Niggas gotta get woke before the big boy wakes up
Get woke, go broke. Vivec did.
That's why he's one of the coolest characters of all time in my opinion.
@@DeusVult87 Talos would slaughter those part of the Woke religion
me: this "godhead with a thousand faces" book is incomprehensible!
shodycast: yes, this is the work of Lalaveyon Saunders, we haven't heard from him in awhile
I was almost convinced you guys weren’t coming back, glad to see you guys back at it and I hope I’ll be seeing a lot more of you guys soon
Your concept of Vivec might be a bit off. He isn't a god like the player characters, because they're not gods. Vivec is a god because he and the other two tribunal gods drew power from the heart of Lorkhan. His powers diminish if he does not bathe in the divine power yearly, this was the whole plot of Morrowind. The Nerevarine (the player) has to take out the guy who's been stealing that same power that Vivec gets his godhood from.
I would say he was a god. He wasn't born one but what else would you call an immortal and all powerful being?
Godhood aside, it is clear he had the power to understand existence and time, imo.
I saw that clockwork elf thing only with wings on a guided meditation once (no hallucinogenic substances necessary except the ones produced by your brain actually). I was pretty spooked when you mentioned it and how it's so universal. As my dad would say "woah, far out man".
Thank you for making the elder scroll universe so vivid
"When I die in the world of time, then I'm completely asleep. I'm very much aware that all I have to do is choose to wake. And I'm alive again. Many times I have very deliberately tried to wait patiently, a very long, long time before choosing to wake up. And no matter how long it feels like I wait, it always appears, when I wake up, that no time has passed at all. That is the god place. The place out of time, where everything is always happening, all at once." - Vivec
Was surprised this quote didn't make it into the video.
I've always considered a lot of this deeper, more philosophical lore (the Mad Godhead, CHIM, the Monomyth, etc.) to be metaphorical for overcoming existential crises, forging a sense of identity, realizing the conflicts that determined our present state of existence, and things of that nature. Although, gleaning what I can of Michael Kirkbride's personality and proclivities, maybe it is all meant to be taken literally. Either way, it's interesting to entertain, but obviously I find the former more relatable, if not necessarily useful.
EDIT: That's to say nothing of it's "woah" factor, in distinguishing it from other fantasy by introducing these bizarre ideas, which is also, I believe, a huge part of its presence in-game and in-lore.
Andrew Vanhorne
Keep Kirkbride's self-indulgent bullshit out of TES. Just play the games and enjoy the lore that doesn't read like a bad acid trip.
The video references the Dwemer disappearing because of attempts to use Elder Scrolls, but correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm certain that's not the case at all.
In 1E 700, at the Battle of Red Mountain, the Dwemer Chief Tonal Architect, Kagrenac, with his tools, Wraithguard, Sunder and Keening, attempted to bind the Dwemer to the Heart of Lorkhan, in an attempt to raise a new Numidium of his own design and use it's divine power to either enhance the Dwemer people entirely or rather to convert the souls of all Dwemer into the Numidium itself
At the very moment that Kagrenac activated the Numidium, a Dragon Break occurred. In TES history, Dragon Breaks have occurred with EVERY Numidium activation.
It is unknown exactly what happened or what rituals were used, it is unknown if the Nerevarine fell in battle, or if he was betrayed, or if he succeeded. Scholars of the event are inclined to agree all situations are true at once, the one thing everyone agree's on however, the one thing we all know, is that the Battle of Red Mountain concluded with every dwarf except from Yagrum Bagrum, who was residing in an Outer Plane at the time, disappearing entirely.
Depending on which theory is true, it's possible that all the Dwemer were technically alive (albeit as souls) during the events of TES III, but would have been destroyed when the Nerevarine destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan and Kagrenac's Numidium along with it.
No, they just likened the Dwemer's disappearance to the misuse of their tools - whether those tools be Kagrenac's or the Elder Scrolls themselves, they all have the underlying themes of time and space
Ah, after rewatching I can see where I made a mistake, I would say however that the commentator doesn't do a very good job of separating those 2 ideas
- Talks about how Elder Scrolls can manipulate reality and time
- Dwemer disappeared
- "This isn't the first time this has happened"
It sounds like he's implying the Elder Scrolls did this, especially with that, "This isn't the first time this has happened" line and then references Alduin being cast adrift using the scrolls as his example of another time this has happened. But as we both know, what happened with Alduin and the fate of the Dwarves are nowhere near comparable
Yeah, I agree. It's not their best video, though to be fair they're dealing with a fairly complicated facet of the game's lore. They also likened Vivec a lot to the Dwemer, despite the metaphysics surrounding both of them being very different.
He said the Dwemer disappeared after misusing their tools.
You see those comments above your Matthew? Should try reading them :^)
The ending of the words is ALMSIVI
I tried playing Skyrim while tripping on shrooms and just ended up running around aimlessly for about an hour.
Probably the best Shoddy Cast ep to date. Great work guys.
This stuff is what keeps me going
You're not alone
You posted this on my birthday. This makes me quite happy, thank you 😁.
This was bloody amazing. Brilliantly put together too.
It was a well-done video from a production standpoint, but the problem is that you failed to truly make a point. I was sorely disappointed when the video ended. You asserted that there are some objects, concepts, or beings in the TES universe that exist "outside of time", but you don't elaborate on the implications, why this is important, or how it relates to the player (which it appeared as though you were going for that). This video essentially goes nowhere except lecture about how people screwing with things they don't understand can get them into serious trouble, but that's not really any point that needed asserting in the first place.
I truly thought this would have been better if it were about how the player is in a way considered a fracture in space-time and exists outside of it, how a new champion of the world appears exactly when they are meant to, much like Gandalf, and how the player's actions affect the world. You sort of touch on that but drop it immediately afterward.
And unfortunately, your videos often pull one of those PBS Idea Channel moves where you don't really make a point and it's just a series of tangents - the difference is that Idea Channel isn't meant to answer any questions.
Ody -Chan Yeah, I got that feeling from this video. That no solid point was fully explored/explained. Have felt this with a lot of lore\philosophy\essay\etc. channels over the years. But I can still appreciate the exposure of different ideas to those who weren't familar with em already.
Yea this specific "content production" is not that good at all. This script sounds like it was ACTUALLY made on drugs lol these "thought complexes" do not even refer to each other or "connect" for 12 full minutes. (Honestly, I cant ridicule shoddy for this video because its still better than my own content. >>>>But, Damn. At least my videos actually form a complete thought) ... This video was weird shoddy. Don't do drugs bro. I don't know if this video was inspired by your own recent personal indulgence in drugs and are now subliminally advocating the responsible experience of them. But, Damn, ....this video was NOT like your others. (and not in a good way.)
Or maybe its all just over your head?
Seems like you understood the points just fine, as you stated most of the ones that the video made yourself, but then completely ignored them as an excuse to criticize the video for problems it doesn't have. No offense but just because you "didn't get it" doesn't necessarily mean the video failed to get any points across, and that is therefore somehow a failure on the part of the video. Maybe you just need more context, in which case, I'd suggest you start researching.
Sorry to hear about your life, but great you are still doing videos. I would like once again ask how is your Brotherhood of Steel project is coming along? As that's one of the videos, mod, I have been waiting to see since I heard it. And so I would like to know what is going on with it.
Liam Lane yeah I was thinking the samething. I want to see it also
So worth the wait. Fantastic work! May whatever you produce next be as well-produced as this.
This gave me an amazing idea for a Skyrim based Creepypasta story....
You guys haven’t uploaded in what 2 months? How are y’all?
ShoddyCast is NOT dead? What in Oblivion is going on??
And now I can't see the elder scrolls the same way and I love it!
Damn man, I am obsessed about time physicly speaking! Now The Elder Scrolls has a new meaning
what is this music it is majestic. do you have a link shoddy?
Sgt. Hirntot the first track from the beginning sounds similar to We Are All Astronauts' style. At least reminded me of one. Also try Marc Streitenfield and Borrtex.
So Vivec is like Dr. Manhattan?
CancerMania yes exactly
This is a really cool video. If you read some of the lore in the games you'll find passages that state things like how the lesser/weaker aedra/daedra/gods couldn't understand their own existence enough to "exist" until the formation of Akatosh, and therefore the implementation of "time" as a universal force.
Also, in regards to the Elder Scrolls, there's an in-game lore book (I forget the title) where a man visits the monks who keep the scrolls in order to study them. One monk would tell him a particular scroll was in one place, but when he would look it wouldn't be there. Another monk would tell him it was in another place entirely, but again, it wouldn't be there. It wasn't that the monks had misplaced the scrolls, rather the very nature of the scrolls dictates that they both exist, and don't exist simultaneously, and so they can spontaneously disappear or reappear in seemingly random locations, and so the easiest way to find a particular scroll is to not be looking for it at all.
Side note, this is the first of your videos I've watched and I have definitely subscribed, :-)
I thought you were reaching until you made the connection between clockwork elves and machine elves. Then you went on to compare the Elder Scrolls to psychedelics which is another good analogy.
Good stuff.
Okay, see you in next kalpa I guess?
This all well and good. But damn I miss the story teller... Hell it would be cool to see him get zapped through a portal and go to the TES world, walk around there finding books, and then... telling stories.
I've been making connections like these recently and it's great to see this piece explore them. Awesome video!
The Tribunal has returned with information we didn't need but couldn't live without it... SHODDY CAST COME HOME
We call people insane, however after working alot with people who are insane. I some time feel that some of them have figured something out we all cant unerstand.
Uncle Sheogorath makes good cheese
The Native Americans didn't believe in insanity. It was believed they possessed keys to an understanding others failed to grasp. It's not so much that theyre crazy rather the information has overwhelmed the brain capacity. Because there's no understandable way to transfer the information to others.
"Be of one mind, one heart."
MayfallTribe that is really interesting! Could you direct me too where i can look into this deeper
nisi bonum hmm, the title is lost to me, sadly. You may be able to find it on YT?
Sorry I can't be of more help.
This is just like the Fallout universe, it's on the quantum horizon. However, I think Obsidian does a better job.
This was really well done, you have an incredible knack for storytelling !
This shook my brain in a fun way
way back in the day in Morrowind i killed vivec and it took a looong time. i had to keep leaving the temple to heal and re-entering it because he doesn't follow you. He fights bare fisted (which drains health and stamina, making you faint) and is super strong but he is killable.
Ya should have downloaded the Witch King Sword mod, he'll been dead quick enough....also keep them repair hammers close because that sword breaks very easily.
Dude your the best honestly keep up the great work
Wow i love this video. So deep and epic! I want more about terrence McKenna and the elders scroll. Great job
wow feels good to hear the same vocie we heard back when this channel first started
Too bad you sold THE SCIENCE to fatpat
Austin’s schtick is old already. It’s way too forced at this point.
MercuriallyStatic yeh i was bored by the time he left
Felix B
*asspat
That was some bullshit.
ALeKS So are there still SCIENCE videos on another channel? What's that called? They were some of the best uploads...
To me every bit of lore written by Kirkbride (the guy who wrote Vivec's lore, among much of the TESIII lore) is like the writing of George Lucas. It's interesting when there're other writers there to reign his madness in, but if he's given full control of the lore it because stupid.
you should check out r/teslore because i think you just got banned from it
It seems every TH-cam comment section must have its own pretentious pseudointellectual Rick and Morty fan to sit in his mother's basement and bitch at the real intellectuals and philosophers.
did you just call yourself an intellectual for reading coda?
I didn't.
IoKnight dude I couldn't agree more. People like George Lucas and Michael Kirkbride are the definitive proof that there really is a very thin line between madness and genius
Shoddycast and the Occult mix very well.
in skyrim the island solstheim was created by a fight between dragon priest which probably used shouts please do a video telling what should have happened to the rest of tamriel if that actually happened or how strong the shouts are and what they would do to the land or tamrieal
Some very intriguing stuff, but this was a little disappointing. I was expecting to get hit with a mind bomb or a few, but they never came for me. The point "The Elder Scrolls has some funky time stuff going on and psychedelics screw with our perceptions" feels disconnected and isn't exactly an exciting revelation in and of itself... Looking forward for future videos though. Hope life starts to go more smoothly for ShoddyCast!
the dwemer got teleported to earth and we are their ancestors
IPwnd sounds similar to my theory that Atmora is Scandanavia here on Earth. The Nords through some magic we're able to open another dimension and travel to what is known as Nirn.
No. Both of you STOP with these stupid theories. Elder Scrolls univer is NOT in our universe. Anyone who had decent knowledge of lore would fucking know this. Even Bethesda themselves, Pete Hines said Elder Scrolls and Fallout are not the same universe (in-case u dont know Fallout takes place in an alternate universe to ours)
They didn't say they were in the same univerese. This concept deals with MULTIPLE dimensions. No theory that Fallout and TES are in the same universe is stated.
Tyler Christensen atmorans lived to be thousands of years old that theory makes no sense whatsoever
miss me with yo gay fan-fiction
I'm rereading slaughter house 5 recently,what a quincidence.
So happy to see more ES lore related videos!
Also, every time I hear "I have been Josh," I think, "Well then who are you now?"
You forgot to mention Michael Kirkbride(A former lead lore writer) was high on acid in most of his writings. Just read one of his outside of Bethesda writing, like C0DA.
Duc Volpe +1
Im still watching a skyrim video right??
THANK THE NINE!!!! A new ShoddyCast!!!! I often wondered why I was still breathing lately
Could you imagine, "partaking" in psychedelics, and playing pretty much any Elder Scrolls game? I know what I'm doing when I get the time...
car accident!! i hope everything is alright! no causalities?
Wow the calm sophisticated way of talking and then, "he was woke as fuck" I fucking lost it.
A second there I thought he was going to talk about the dragon breaks
I literally love this video.
Thank you for your work guys, I am grateful to you.
No screaming from shoddy what is this witchcraft
*YOUR MUSIC IS TOO DAMN LOUD SON!!!*
This had me thinking for hours
Hope you're okay after that car accident.
Thanks for the video :>
This dramatic music was waaay to loud... It made it hard to focus or watch
You dont worship saints
their churches down graded them to Saints after death/being less public.
they were chimer, then DÆdra, then Saints,
as of the 4th Era only Vivec remains.
That's nuts.
First: Hope you're okay and/or recovering. May your recovery be swift and complete.
Second: Holy crap, dude. I'd love to hear more stuff like this, delving into the Hawking-ish level of the TES universe.
Claves Septem
Godless fool.
I Hope you get better, and just take your time!