Evolution Is Wrong, Therefore God | Richard-NV | Atheist Experience 25.23
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"If your shirt isn't red it is by default blue. A shirt cannot logically exist without being blue. Blue is the color of the shirt you are wearing right now. Wololo."
Yellow, sorry. Maybe just maybe the argument is flawed
HOYO
Mine is tie-dye white, blue, and purple 🤪
Nope I'm wearing a white shirt. And nothing else 😍😍
Apparently all my shirts are blue then🤷♂️😂
"I just wanted to call in to say that I'm right"
"Explain how you're right"
"Now you're just deflecting"
Me: How am I deflecting?
"...let's move on to this next thing. "
🙄
Says the caller who literally bait and switched the hosts calling under false pretenses so he could get up on his soap box to preach to us "Heathens" Talk about deflecting.
@@theunholinesswithin70 That's not important. What I really want to do is preach to you
@@miconis123 I'm immune to preaching.
"That's not the point I was trying to make because you just destroyed it."
Repeats to make the same point
Richard accuses the hosts of deflecting but that's exactly what he does when asked awkward questions.
Such a transparent deflection, too. "Well, I don't want to talk about the topic I gave to the call screeners, I just wanted to make my assertions and move on without challenge."
He's PROJECTING about DEFLECTING!
It's a veritable vortex of evationary retreats.
Yup, he’s a theist who has called this show and turned out to be an angry, hypocritical, liar, stuffed full of fallacious reasoning. Fancy that.
I think it's most likely that Richard just disproved the existence of gravity; his apparent density is sufficient to explain his world.
This comment deserves more likes.
Nice.
Did we evolve from inorganic materials or organic matter?
Were we single celled organisms that came to existence and the same time, evolving at the same rate? Or were we evolving at different rates?
How do we explain echosystems and symbiotic relationships?
Did we change species, as in, were our relatives fish? Or did we just evolve within our own kind... Like canine species the feline species etc?
@@benmatten7028 Third time I’ve read that comment in as many threads. YT doesn’t like spam.
@@benmatten7028 I don’t get it. Why don’t you hop into evolution TH-cam and ask this??
Caller: Evolution is bullsh*t therefore "God" exists.
Kenneth: Could you please define "evolution"?
Caller: malfunction, malfunction, malfunction 🤖
Can you define evolution?
Did we evolve from inorganic materials or organic matter?
Were we single celled organisms that came to existence and the same time, evolving at the same rate? Or were we evolving at different rates?
How do we explain echosystems and symbiotic relationships?
Did we change species, as in, were our relatives fish? Or did we just evolve within our own kind... Like canine species the feline species etc?
@@benmatten7028 How many threads have you spammed with that comment now, four?
@@ajclements4627 A few... Thought I'd do my own survey... See if anyone knows...
How many times have you avoided the questions now?
How many times have you chased me through the comment sections trying to regain control...
Trying to make sure you discredit me... I'm not sure if this is Matt but whoever it is... They work for this show..
@@benmatten7028 I’m not avoiding anything, I’m just not going to waste my time providing sources so you can just ignore them, say they’re “wrong” or some other silly bullshit you’ll say to try and justify your belief in your imaginary friend.
You’re a troll, so just F own it, and move on.
“How many times have you chased me..” 😂 Don’t flatter yourself dingus, you’re not my type.
And no, I’m not trying to “discredit” you, you do that quite well all by yourself.
the fact that he can’t understand the question, makes him a science MORE-on.
He needs a science LESSon.😁
"Do you understand that English today is not the same as 1000 years ago?"
"Ya...I understand people like to redefine words."
Linguists: 😖
"im not a scientist i cant explain that" EXACTLY
The best part is even if he had somehow managed to disprove evolution (yeah right), he STILL would not have any evidence of a god.
But if i dont know how i got home drunk after i went to the bar, then it must be god...
So he calls up, lies to the call screeners, makes absurd claims with no background whatsoever to back it up, proves he has no clue what he's talking about and then tries to get out of it when he gets backed into a corner. More dishonesty from the religious. What else is new?
@@neutrinoexpert825 Ah, that thing that doesn't exist. Right...
@@---ii8hl Powers has a ton, Chris Massey as well. We had a list of at least 200 alts at one point, and I’m sure it’s a lot bigger now.
@@ajclements4627
One or two idiots with 200 or so accounts beats 200 or so actual idiots.
Especially this caliber.
@Doctor Powers Tell us again how thermodynamics has nothing to do with heat transfer, Professor.
@Doctor Powers Correct neppy, and as you already demonstrated, your god is simply too stupid to meet your own standard. After, only a REALLY stupid god would get wrong the order of its own creation.
Congratulations once again on debunking your own magical fairy.
Caller wants to throw out evolution, but keep the genome that proves evolution. Got it.
In what way does the genome prove evolution?
@Naukumaija Mau-mau
The same reason why computer language is all ones and zeros. Functionality.
How does that lead you to evolution? If you saw a robot that functioned similar to other robots in a factory would your conclusion be, “They all function similarly so all must have formed and started working together due to mass amount of time and parts lying around” …?
@Naukumaija Mau-mau
The only thing I claimed was the fact that similar genomes are found between species is due to functionality. You somehow think I’m being dishonest because of that? Are you seriously suggesting functionality is not a factor? “Genes do nothing” 🤣 It’s sad you need to resort to insults and smug superiority in order to think you’re right while simultaneously spouting off ignorance.
C+, C++, Java, Python, etc. is computer scripting within programs. It tells the ones and zeros how to behave in different languages. There is a difference.
@Naukumaija Mau-mau it also sounds like part of your argument is “we are not perfectly made, therefore NOT God” … which sounds just as ridiculous as a God of the Gaps argument.
@@defiance1790
DNA also records many of the functions that our ancestors USED to have, but don’t have anymore. We have broken genes that USED to code for things like - a dog like sense of smell. That’s just one of the many, many examples of broken genes.
Why would a creator put them in there?
That’s ridiculous/pointless.
Or give perfect map (in our DNA) of illness we (and some of our various different animal relations) have been infected with before.
The amount of evidences just keep piling up, until only the delusional would try to deny it.
This whole episode should be a break down of fallacious argument.
Matt would have had this guys head spinning.
I agree. I also like Kenneth but i don't understand why he didn't nip the conversation in the bud. All he had to do from the start was to point out that evolution and creationism isn't a binary matter.
I think this argument can be easily resolved.
Question: "How did Life Form on Earth?"
Science: "We don't know. But we will try and find the answer."
Abrahamic Cult Members: "Magic Sky Daddy."
Which leads to "How does Magic Sky Daddy anything?"
And Abrahamic Cult Members will reply with: "Special Pleading, Unfalsifiable claims and/or Mysterious Ways"
The latter is just "We don't know", but it lacks the "But we'll try to find out" that science would append to it.
@Rev Fester BesterTester Says the Magic Sky Daddy Cult member.
Explain how Magic Sky Daddy does ANYTHING. Go ahead. No Fallacies.
@Doctor Powers
You can't even solve the basic numerical sequence I constantly post for you. The nerve to suggest you can understand anything more complex that 4 simple numbers is laughable.
@Fay Spahmer oh he has all his alts active like Nuetrino expert and etc.
@Doctor Powers Sorry neppy, but you already proved that your god is too stupid to be an answer. After all only a REALLY stupid god would get wrong the order of its own creation.
So congratulations once again on debunking your own MINDLESS and NEVER-OBSERVED magical fairy.
The caller doesn't realize that spontaneous generation has nothing to do with abiogenesis.
Spontaneous generation was a theory relating to where maggots and mold comes from, stating that they just appear out of nowhere. This was disproven by Louis Pasteur's experiments with beef broth. Abiogenesis is how life arose by very gradual chemical means. Totally unrelated theories. Conflating the two shows theists' ignorance.
@Doctor Powers - Why did God created cancer?
@Doctor Powers Wow you missed the point right from the start and went downhill screaming like kid in an out of control go-cart.
So let's start with your first claim: Demonstrate YOUR god even exists. We'll wait. In fact we've been waiting.
PS don't confuse rational for rationalizing. One is a statement of a logical position, the other is reaching a conclusion in spite of a lack of evidence supporting or in the presence of contrary evidence to the point. You did the second.
@@UlshaRS you can always spot the TH-cam theist in here, can’t you?! 😂
Did this Hospital Cleaner Powers make a succinct point, or go on a verbose puerile rant, filled with nothing but fallacies, baseless assertions and calling atheism a religion?
What a monumental bunglenugget.
@@UlshaRSDo you believe in macro evolution ?
Kenny Lenny and Dave Warlock are two great hosts.
Life can't come from non life. It just can't! Why? Well, I will NEVER answer that! I will just dodge and insist cuz I can't prove it!
Life can come from non-life when GOD does it, though. Totally rational there.
@@Robeebert well yeah, when you make the BIGGEST exception possible! Nobody else can do it but this thing I can't prove exists. Just accept it or BURN cuz he really hates it when people don't worship him. Why? Cuz he loves you!
@Doctor Powers
Lmao.
@@freakyzed8467 You dont have to prove that, cause it makes no sense even if you accept it.
God pretty much always is what they try to counter.
''Life cant come from non life?'' God did.
''You cant create something out of nothing?'' God did.
"I don't agree with Science because it challenges and disputes my Magic Sky Daddy Cult."
@Rev Fester BesterTester Hi Magic Sky Daddy Cult member. Did you pay your Magic Sky Daddy Cult dues this week?
It's always 10% of anything you make. Because Magic Sky Daddy has ALL the Power. But can't make money.
@Rev Fester BesterTester do we believe Matt exists? Yes. We can see and hear him. If we went to Texas we could meet him. We have good reason to believe he exists. We can't do any of those things with your magical sky wizard.
@@hegyak hey, megachurch pastorman needs more private jets and more mansions! How else does he prove how blessed he is!?
@Rev Fester BesterTester What do you mean by "fine tuned". Nothing is fined tuned for us, we just adapted to our surroundings.
We are finding information everyday on our beginnings, you people have just given up on those hard answers and just say "god did it", the end.
And you people wouldn't even be talking about DNA if scientists didn't discover it.
So your whole statement is full of shit.
But what else can we expect from a god botherer.
@Rev Fester BesterTester
Ahem
Fine Tuning is a concept that presuposes TUNING and PURPOSE to prove a TUNER and a DESIGNER. It's circular reasoning. "There is a creator because this is creation"
Physical beginnings is something nobody knows for sure if it's there or not. For all we know existence is all there is, and has been there since the moment it can be tracked from, and infinity is still a mistery.
DNA information is a cute thing. Who coded DNA? Surprising answer? US! We coded DNA, and it means something because it means something to us, because we investigate what it does. A lot of "trash DNA" does things, just not things we have detected (therefore coded) so there. Information is what we do with input. Noise can just be noise or it can be coded into signs. There is all kinds of information that do not require a sentient person to issue it, but it totally requires someone intelligent to receive it in order to "code" it into something meaningful to the receiver, therefore giving it value.
"All life has DNA". So, if his god is alive, then it as DNA.
Where did his DNA come from? Spontaneous generation?
That’s why the religious often humiliate or punish a child who uses their critical thinking abilities and questions illogical contradictory text that is written and selectively put together into a holy book. If they don’t derail their rational and logical thinking abilities right away, the child will show the adults ,as a child, how ridiculous the nonsense in the holy books really is, by their unanswerable questions. Religious leaders need to get at a kid before or by the age of seven or it’s too late. SEVEN! Think about that!
Dave Warnock, greatest respect to you, only seen Kenneth once before but you make a great team.
Life can’t come from non-life.*
Something can’t come from nothing.*
* Unless god does it.
He thought he had a chance because Matt wasn't co-hosting this week
‘Evil and confusion comes from the enemy’ - did I hear that right, there at the end? Is he saying he’s confused, therefore the hosts are evil/enemies?
yes, he was saying from the very beginning, every time they called him on his bullshit, that they were deflecting and avoiding, and implying they were trying to avoid the issue. Basically implying they were trying to confuse the issue, and since his magic book tells him that confusion about things is "the debil!" trying to trick you away from god, thus the hosts are evil.
Knowledge is often seen as an enemy of the dum dum 😯
Ye science is the enemy for these people.
'The ark is real'
But here are equations that proof without a doubt that a boat of that size and material will break apart on the sea.
'Reeeeeeeeeeeeee, you are evil!'
For every bloody subject...
@Doctor Powers ahhh powers, you again with the same copy paste nonsense as usual. Must be frustrating to have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And to think you could have spend those years learning....
But hey, since you uttered literal death threats to me, reported and blocked as per usual. Be glad we don't live in the same country or you would be in court
what these nut jobs fail to admit, is that if evil and confusion comes from the enemy... And their God is in control of everything... Then their God is the orchestrator of evil and confusion!
"I'm not a scientist" - that sums it up in a nutshell.
"You hit it in a nutshell."
The appropriate container for it. ;)
"What is the matter with you? Why can't you understand what I'm saying?"
Could be because you're not really saying anything, Einstein.
@Fay Spahmer lmao. The worst part about it is he came away thinking he did a good job. The delusion of a theist is beyond what I can muster sympathy for.
Translation: I embarrassed myself and am not man enough to admit it. There Richard, I saved you 8 minutes of deflection.
"Evil and confusing comes from the enemy" says the guy who lied about why he was calling and can't explain coherently his opinion
I'm still waiting for this guy to prove that life cannot come from non-life.
Because he said so, that's why 😂
To be fair: that is the same category as the prove for a god. You cannot prove that there is none, you cannot prove that there's no teapot in space, and you cannot prove that life cannot come from non-life. But I'm pretty sure which one of the positives will be proven by science some time.
"I don't think Evolution is real."
"You know Evolution has been confirmed right?"
"Well, I don't want it to be cuz it goes against my magic man in the sky cult."
That's the same old argument Theists uses over and over again despite it being completely pointless.
@Doctor Powers How can there be a "MIND" that has no physical composition?
@Doctor Powers people have been getting taller over time that's evolution
@Doctor Powers Evolution by natural selection is not unguided; there are natural forces driving it. It's a fact, it's been observed, and you need to learn about the research. Please stop with the strawman argumentation.
@Doctor Powers first of all, atheism is a statement, there is nothing for it to 'get past'. second, there is no proof anything was ever 'designed' that wasnt 'made' by humans. insulting gets you no where, and just makes you look like a troll. although, im guessing thats the intention. if so, thanks for the blatant dishonesty, and useless discussion. have a mediocre day.
@Doctor Powers Yet this so called "Expert" can't stop using Fallacies. Strawman and Special Pleading. And when called out on it, you QQ and wine about how "That's a real fallacy."
Poor guy probably struts around, peacocking in his velco-strap shoes, looking down on us pathetic rubes.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Meanwhile, David Dunning and Justin Kruger would both likely laugh their nips off were they to listen to this call.
Is it Richard Dunning or Richard Kruger? It really pisses me off when people say "I'm not a scientist" in order to excuse the clumsiness of their supposedly scientific claims but then insist that they are absolutely correct despite disagreeing with all of science.
@Doctor Powers
*"All that matters is the facts."*
OK, I'm with you so far.
*"Science points to God."*
Now you've contradicted yourself by stating something that is factually incorrect, therefore nothing that follows can possibly be credible and thus doesn't warrant my time reading it.
@Doctor Powers , that you assert it don't make it so. The fact is that you have no explanation for reality either. God is simply a thing defined as having the ability to create our universe. You can't show that it exists and you certainly can't provide a rational, possible step-by-step explanation of how it did create our universe or even why it would in the first place. The fact is that "god done it" is even less of an explanation than "nature done it" because at least we can show that natural things do exist and things do have natural causes.
No one has ever shown that anything supernatural does or even could exists and thus no one has ever shown that anything could have a supernatural cause. The fact is that science doesn't indicate god because science never could indicate god. Science can indicate whether a particular natural explanation for a phenomenon is correct or not but, until you can test every possible hypothesis for the natural existence of our universe and find them wanting, you can't possibly justify claiming that the universe doesn't have a natural cause.
We are nowhere near that point and, to be frank, that point could never be reached anyway, because we could never know that there wasn't another natural explanation to test that we just hadn't thought of. You're just lying for Jesus, which is not exactly a rare thing.
@@wunnell
Wow
A very skillful take down.
Well done, sir
Too bad the good doctor is just one of a half dozen puppet accounts and the poor sap behind all of them is currently worn thin trying to keep a running paste all up and down this and other video's comments sections
"You don't understand what I'm saying." No. YOU don't understand stand what you're saying.
And finally the truth come out.. he called to preach to atheists.
The hamster falling off the wheel pauses from the caller is priceless!
The "God of the Gaps" fallacy is probably the oldest Christian apologetic excuse.
And it's sadly just a poor excuse.
Also, my brain just thought your pfp was an SCP >.
@Rev Fester BesterTester No, you need a god first....
Best explanation is not a god unless you can prove one... Otherwise, it's at the bottom of the list....
@Rev Fester BesterTester The Christian god has no explanatory power, therefore he can't be used to explain anything.
For _any_ "How did ..." (something that requires an explanation) that you guys plug "God" into it, you actually haven't answered the "how" question, but posed an answer to the "who" question no one asked.
Is there _any_ "How did ..." question where you actually can explain HOW your god did anything?
@Rev Fester BesterTester day old troll account detected
@Rev Fester BesterTester You're just not very bright are you?
Believe in a flat earth as well do you?
Richard: "if evolution is proven not to be true..."
Well, it is... and until there is a better explanation for bio-diversity then it's case closed...
@Doctor Powers People get taller overtime and a lot of other animals do when that's now where wherever you are. doesn't matter what you think evolution is a fact and it's indisputable
@Doctor Powers How bad does your life suck, that coming here voluntarily 24/7, regurgitating misunderstood science bullshite and lying about your career seem like a good way to get attention you obviously aren’t getting offline?
@Doctor Powers "no evidence for evolution 🤣🤣"
keep smoking that crack pipe
@Doctor Powers" you can't prove a lie" Is that why god is invisible?
@Doctor Powers what is pathetic is defending a barbaric stone age cult, simply becausr you have been brainwashed to do so.
Richard is like most theists, totally confused that abiogenesis and evolution are two separate principles that don't rely on each other, one is origins and the other is changes in organisms over time AFTER it came into existence, and doesn't seek to explain origins.
@Doctor Powers "the lies of atheism" lmao atheism is simply a lack of a belief in god, it has NOTHING to do with any of those concepts you listed
@@dalrhoads5687 It's just a troll account that was made last month.
@Doctor Powers there is hard work and prrof behind scientific theories.
There are just empty claims (fairytale) behind the supernatural
Until you can come here and prove the supernatural you are wasting our time.
Buh bye
@Doctor Powers more baseless claims.
So question where did God come from? What is more likely, someone proofed into existence in a matter of days all the universe or that science with evolution completely proven was how we came about?
@@alecspyrou2134 Pointless to reply to someone who has also already proven to have no clue about what he is talking about, as being apparent with sentences like ''Christianity has all the facts, while the asinine cult of atheism is proven to have NONE.''.
Well no shit sherlock, atheism doesnt have facts because it makes no claims whatsoever.
Sadly christianity has no facts while making nothing else than claims.
Good thing that this is one of the rare cases in which the bible actually got you covered:
''Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.
Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.''
Hey Richard, no one is missing your point, you're just grossly behind in the conversation and catching you up is a process similar to pulling teeth.
“If” evolution is proven wrong, then “god” is real...? That’s a large leap. Especially because evolution hasn’t been disproven.
Did we evolve from inorganic materials or organic matter?
Were we single celled organisms that came to existence and the same time, evolving at the same rate? Or were we evolving at different rates?
How do we explain echosystems and symbiotic relationships?
Did we change species, as in, were our relatives fish? Or did we just evolve within our own kind... Like canine species the feline species etc?
@@benmatten7028 Not our job to spoon feed you an education via YT comments. Maybe go to a natural history museum and ask questions.
@@ookeekthelibrarian I like your approach: directional, straight to the point, and non-confrontational. Cheers to you, you succinct librarian! 🍻
@@ajclements4627 But don't you want other viewers to learn too?
I'm asking for a summary...
This is how a conversation works...
We both share our thought and challenge each other...
I thought this channel was about honest communication?
Not a place to slander Christianity.
Let's nut this out together... Other people might want to learn something too!
Why would you hold that information back from them?
You said, it takes years of study to understand, and I'm assuming you have done years of study and and have an understanding?
If you understand it, you'd be able to summarise, simplify and break it down; as if I was a child hearing it for the first time...
There is a difference between understanding something and knowing something. Would you agree with that statement?
@@benmatten7028 based on the comments, no one else Is confused by evolution (probably still remember their highschool science classes) except you do I don’t see why anyone would take the time out their day to answer your bs.
Caller: "Evolution is false therefore god"
So what you are saying is that evolution is false therefore god?
Caller: "you arent understanding my point"
Doesn't that also mean that since Evolution has been proven to be true without a doubt, then by default god isn't real?
@@Lupinemancer87 it definitely eliminates any reason to believe one exists.
If you’re not a scientist then you don’t get to argue against one of the most supported theories in all of science
"All I'm saying is, if the world were very, very different from what it obviously is, then my crazy hypothesis wouldn't be completely impossible. And because it wouldn't be completely impossible, it would obviously be the only possible truth."
Richard doesn't understand what evolution actually is nor does he care about what it is. All he wants to do is put in the god of the gaps in order to solve the mysteries about where we come from but the problem is that the god of the gaps theory doesn't solve any mysteries nor does it answer where we come from. Kenneth asked very good questions that Richard couldn't answer.
You can tell that forming 2 sentences was the full extent of his research and he’s smug about it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Richard simply doesn't understand that 'Not A' doesn't prove 'B'. He can't let go of it. It particularly doesn't prove 'magic'.
Ironically the building blocks for life have been formed in lab experiments from non living matter. Regardless of that or if one day they can make a person in a lab the creationists will just say "see, it required intelligence" and totally overlook the fact that what it really concludes is it didn't necessarily require some invisible overlord or magical sky genie.
So according to Richard "life can't come from non-life". Isn't it strange that every single organism on Earth is composed of completely inanimate atoms, including Richard and myself ! Very strange, but there's not enough room for the Christian God to fit into the atomic nucleus.
PS. Where did God get his "life" from so that he could pass it on to us ?
"there's not enough room for the Christian God to fit into the atomic nucleus". Prove it.
@Doctor Powers Wow, you're just spreading ignorance all over the comment section. Perhaps you should read the scholarship done about the antecedents and origin of the concept of Yahweh/Jehovah, the primary god of the Hebrew and Christian bibles. It's a human construct.
@Doctor Powers I don't have the time or inclination to do a proper refutation of your falsehoods. Also, I do not believe for a second that you actually honestly care about evidence. If you did, you would have already looked at the research of evolution by natural selection and studied the literary and archeological evidence that demonstrates the origins and antecedents of Yahweh. If ignorance is bliss, I'm guessing that you're a happy person.
@Doctor Powers If you actually want a comprehensive list of scholars, historians and archeologists to read and/or listen to in order to examine all of the evidence, I'd be happy to oblige.
@Doctor Powers Tell everyone how “volcanoes prove hell exists” again Doc. Or maybe how “aliens are demons”. Or copy paste your gastroenterology FAIL again.
Tired of this binary way of thinking. Either 'this' is true or god. No, it just means we don't know. You don't get to insert your god just because we don't know something. Life can't come from non-life. How do you know that? You might think it's unlikely and that's fine. But don't assert it as the truth without backing it up with evidence. Claiming that we haven't observed something is not evidence that it's not possible.
It’s also disingenuous because the theistic position is that God “created” life either out of thin air or dirt, depending on how one wishes to interpret the Genesis narrative, so their actual argument is “life can’t come from non-life, unless God does it”. It’s the same game they play with the statement that “something can’t come from nothing”, when they actually hold the belief in creatio ex nihilo, that God created everything from literal nothingness.
@@TestMeatDollSteak So your argument is Special Pleading. God, in this case, is Special Pleading.
@@hegyak - I suppose it boils down to sloppy wording on the part of theists. I think what they are meaning to say is something like “life can’t come from non-life by purely natural, unguided means”. Which, so far as I can tell, is really just an unjustified appeal to “supernatural, guided means” based on an argument from incredulity or ignorance towards the proposition that life came about naturally in an unguided way.
@@TestMeatDollSteak The issue I have and I think others would too is, Science does not accept "God did it " as an answer to ANYTHING.
Replace God with any Deity you like. Same result. Science wants answers, not unfalsifiable claims.
@Doctor Powers - You actually don’t know that nature is finite, just as you don’t know that the universe had a “beginning”, because you don’t actually understand any of the sciences that you’re co-opting to make your extremely unconvincing and debunked apologetic.
The fact of the matter is that Big Bang cosmology can only take us to the Planck time interval, at which point our mathematics and physics break down. So we can theoretically “look” at a very early snapshot of our universe when it was extremely hot and dense, but we have no demonstrated way of “looking beyond” that early snapshot.
Regardless, you have no way to prove that the existence of nature can’t in principle be explained naturally, and you have no way to demonstrate anything “beyond” nature. Saying that God exists “outside of time” is semantically equivalent to saying that God exists at no point in time, which is the same as saying that he exists never. And, defining God as existing “outside of space” is equivalent to saying that he exists in no place, which is the same as saying that he exists nowhere. Congratulations, you’ve defined your “creator” in such a way that his existence is indistinguishable from non-existence.
"Well now you're just deflecting"😂😂
Wait, so what I got from this is, using an analogy-
"Explain quantum mechanics to me. If I'm incapable of understanding your explanation, it means Santa Claus exists".
Am I missing something?
Someone should tell Richard that humans share 50% of their DNA with bananas.
We share 40-60% of our genes with bananas, which is around 1 or 2 percent of our DNA. We also share genes with trees, frogs, cats, dogs, mice, 1 or 2 types of flowers, 1 or 2 types of fish, apples, fruit flies, and even yeast. There are quite a few more too. Very interesting stuff.
I don't remember seeing any mention of dirt or male ribcages though. Strange...
I went to church so now I know more biology than all the scientist in the world, or maybe I'm just stupid.
"You address something I brought up as my first point. You are deflecting." LOL
It would take the better part of 4.5 billion years for Richard to get a clue.
Maybe that's why God offers his type an unlimited afterlife?
Day one of heaven: Organic chemistry 101
He just can't accept that Jesus evolved from an ape.
That Jesus was* an ape.
@@katyungodly By an ape, from an ape.
@@katyungodly Narratively speaking, he is a character melding or mystic figures common in the world in pre-industrial ages, an evolution of a magical chosen savior figure from the apes who thought him up.
How he could dial the phone number? If most of the deists are like him we are doomed. Oh my Gud
"evil and confusion comes from the enemy"- says the guy who lied to get on the air
"DNA is very complex so it couldn't have come to be on it own" Is god even more complex than dna? "wellllllll, god was always there". This is where we're (still) at...
The idea that life could somehow be self-starting is still controversial to many people. Nevertheless, it turns out that finding plausible routes to life is easy. There must be at least 30 of them by now. It is hard to say which, if any, was the actual route taken, because later life forms have destroyed nearly all of the evidence. But it hardly matters, if life hadn't taken the path that it did, it could have easily taken one of the others, or one of the hundreds of others that we haven't even thought of yet.
@Doctor Powers HA! Bait the hook for the troll you want to catch, and twenty minutes later it's nibbling on the line. 😁
One possible route from the inorganic world to the organic, suggested by Graham Cairns-Smith is clay. Clay can form complicated microscopic structures, and it often copies an existing structure by adding an extra layer to it, which then falls off to become the starting point of a new structure. Carbon compounds can adhere to Clay surfaces, where they can act as catalysts for the formation of complex molecules of the kind we see in living creatures; complex long chain proteins, and even DNA itself. So today is organisms may have hitched an evolutionary ride on clay.
An alternative is Gunter Wachtershauser's suggestion that pyrite a compound of iron and sulfur, could easily have provided an energy source suitable for early bacteria. Even today we find bacteria miles underground, and near volcanic vents at the bottom of the oceans, which power themselves by iron/sulfur reactions.
But you my dear doctor, will ignore this interesting and potentially life-changing information to go on one of your signature rants, asserting your own authority as an expert on this subject for over fifty years, while demonstrating your complete misunderstanding of science, probably with a healthy dose of argument from incredulity thrown in.
Go ahead, we are all aquiver with anticipation. 😁
@@lukewojtanowicz1991 You gotta warn people about your Hiroshima level burns! 😁
@Doctor Powers YES. Called it! Physically beginnings, fine-tuning, etc, ad nauseam. That's exactly the nonsense I predicted you would post.
Well done doc, you just won me twenty bucks. 😁
@Doctor Powers Just to establish your credentials my good doctor, which of the following is a scientifically proven fact?
A: Volcanoes happen to make more room in hell for sinners.
B. Aliens can be driven off by invoking the name of Jesus, thus proving that they are demons. (Or that Jehovah's witnesses have somehow gotten a hold of interstellar space travel)
C. Sheep's bladders may be used to prevent earthquakes.
D. The Earth is an oblong sphere roughly eight thousand miles across, orbiting it's Sun elliptically.
Edit: only one right answer.
@Doctor Powers Bugger! Coffee all over my phone. Wait a sec...
You seem to be laboring under a slight missapprehension Dr powers, I don't need to debunk anything you have said. 90 seconds worth of Google search will reveal every assertion you've made as the nonsense it is. Likewise you are not here to educate anyone, or debunk anything. You are here for one reason only, my amusement.
I dangled a piece of troll bait, tailored specifically to your preferences, and within 20 minutes you were predictably enough playing with it, very much the same way as a kitten attacks a piece of string, and with pretty much the same amount of forethought. That is what you are doing, you are playing with deliberately dangled bait for my amusement, and the amusement of anyone else who happens to be watching.
And I would love to continue playing with you, but unlike you I have a life outside of trolling. Don't worry, I'm sure someone else will be along to play with you in a moment.
Good kitty.🧶🐯
Edit: PS the correct answer was D.
spontaneous generarion is the debunked idea that *modern life* can come from non life. Not just life but MODERN LIFE
Yes, spontaneous generation was disproven most notably by Louis Pasteur. This is unrelated to abiogenesis, which shows where many theists' confusion lies when they conflate the two.
"No, you don't understand what I'm saying!" then goes on to explain exactly what you said he meant.
Life cannot spontaneously happen, therefore, God could not create life from nothing. Thank-you Richard for proving God cannot exist.
These "evolution is wrong" or "evolution is just a claim" calls are starting to get on my nerves
@Doctor Powers 🤦♂️ Don’t you get tired of looking stupid every day?
@Doctor Powers You clearly do not understand even the basic definition of the term atheism. Go back to square one.
Evolution is a process, it requires no mind or guiding intelligence, despite your wild unfounded assertion. We have a boatload of sound evidence supporting it, hence why it is a widely accepted scientific theory. If you can disprove evolution as a theory, you should really get to work because your Nobel Prize awaits.
@Doctor Powers “I’m stupid?” Yes, yes you are.
@@ajclements4627 Just flag all his comments as the spam they are and move on. He's a child here for the attention he never received from his failed parents.
Chemical reactions randomly assemble a chemical compound which is stable, and can spontaneously replicate. This proto-replicator chemical is extremely basic, vastly more basic than DNA, it can only copy itself, it’s composed of few atoms etc. It uses crude copying and this goes on for a very long time, until again by pure chance the simple chemical lodges itself in a rudimentary lipid membrane a.k.a. fat bubble, and by coincidence both the basic replicator and the lipid membrane gain something from this e.g. both are better protected from random environment forces e.g. thanks to phosphorous atom the lipid membrane has a smaller chance to pop (completely made up - I don’t know this). Now you have arrived at an extremely rudimentary proto-cell, on which standard process of evolution can start acting. The spontaneous assembly of a proto-cell is probably quite improbable, but it’s nowhere near as improbable as the cells today, after millions of years of selection for survival. Also, this happened over hundreds of millions of years, in oceans filled to the brim with random chemicals, unstable earth, lightning supplying the energy, sun supplying the energy for random jiggle, plenty of time for random atoms jiggling about to produce some basic chemical compounds, some of which went into a proto-replicator and proto-cell. Soap bubbles form spontaneously due to surface tension… even if what I described is not exactly how it happened, the fact I can easily come up with a plausible scenario kinda pushes god into an even smaller gap, doesn’t it?
Martin Hanczyc demonstrates exactly that in a TED talk video which is here on YT. It's called the Line Between Life And Not-Life. Some great footage of chemicals inside lipid membranes seeking out nutrients, hybridising and self-replicating.
@Doctor Powers tell that to the frost on your window on a cold day, or pebbles on the beach mechanically sorted by size by waves :D took me 1 second to come up with these
Richard again. If you disprove evolution you proved magical pixies farted all things into existence.
When you feed a baby milk, which consists of water, calcium etc. The baby converts that into human tissue. Life from non life. Happens all the time.
"If evolution was proven false, that proves a god. That´s a logical fact!"
How?? If we prove that the color red doesn´t exist does that prove green?
It's more akin to claiming to prove red false, then stating that this now proves the existence of your new imaginary color, smeckledorf.
@@katyungodly True. Smeckledorf DOES exist tho.....because I FEEL it does
@@jesperjee I saw smeckledorf in a dream, it must exist.
@@hplovehandle Of course. 100% proof right there.
Wow.
Richard... Let me begin by pointing out that evolution has been observed taking place...
As a microbiologist, I can verify this, first hand. First hand.
Or you can believe Doc, here. 50/50.
@Doctor Powers
You again?
Yes it has, by countless people, including myself.
Part of your problem is that your "2nd law/Adamic Sin Curse" continues to not exist.
The fact that you want me to kill myself, and be your slave, tells me all I need to know about you.
And you never answered the question from the other thread you were spewing at me on.
@Doctor Powers
We are not talking about your "lies of atheism".
We are talking about evolution, An observed biological process of imperfect genetic replication that leads to increased genetic diversity in populations.
@Doctor Powers Ah, the “lies of atheism” copy paste. 🙄
@@danbeaulieu2130 he's just a spammer living in his mom's basement while claiming to be an expert in a lot of thing. Or an old word i like to call them is Claptrap.
So I guess he's saying that prior to Darwin, gods were the ONLY explanation for how life on this planet arose. No one knows exactly how the Universe came into being, or why. (Except believers in Bronze Age folklore. And they only THINK they do.) As Feynman said, "Better to have questions you can't answer than answers you can't question."
Adam was made from dust, thus life from non-life.
God breathed life into adam
@@blarglemantheskeptic Adam, he was a very selfish guy.
Life can actually come from none life.
There are certain rocks below the seafloor when interacting with seawater and undergo serpentinization, can create amino acids.
These serpentinizing rocks were common in early Earth's crust, and may have provided the chemical precursors that formed before the origin of life.
@Doctor Powers You just said a bunch of gibberish which is consistent with your type of conartistry.
@Doctor Powers Did you just invoke the 2nd law of thermodynamics? Well, in what kind of system does it apply? Only closed ones. Is the Earth a closed system?
NOPE, you numbnut! The second law doesn't apply to what happends on Earth! Ever heard of the Sun? That bright thingy in the sky at day?
It puts energy out to Earth! The rule of never new information, only applies to your brain!
@Doctor Powers another try to learn from the troll who gets told over and over that you're wrong.
@Doctor Powers Sin, the “one size fits all” argument bullshit excuse for everything you can’t answer.
Once again.... the theist fails due to ignorance. It happens EVERY time.
Theist arguments are almost if not always, fallacious.
@Doctor Powers god is real... yeah, cause believing in stone age magic makes you a doctor nowadays... just how pathetic can theists get.
@@hakureikura9052 Doc isn’t “just” a doctor, oh no, he’s a “retired CIA officer”, a “millionaire”, an “educated professional” and a “medical surgeon”, as not to confuse him with a tree surgeon and he’s been “debunking atheists and atheism for 50 years” despite being 56, 58 or 61 and apparently having the memory retention of a goldfish, hence all the copy paste.
So Richard is saying life is more complex than a computer, so it must be created.
1. Computers haven’t been around for billions of years
2. The hallmark of good design isn’t complexity but simplicity
3. The laryngeal nerve in giraffes
Popeye the Sailor once said, "Language is used more for communication than any other."
"If evolution is proven false, then by default it proves god". Nope. I liked Matt Dillahunty's comparison "If it's proven that the butler didn't do it, then that proves the maid did it".
I would like to point out that viruses don't have genetic code.
"A virus is a small collection of genetic code, either DNA or RNA, surrounded by a protein coat."
@@AllThroughALife I feel dumb, I meant to say that their genetic code isn't exactly self replicating since it requires a host, and as a result they require a lot less than most living things.
@@shadowshedinja6124 - Sir, you have done something very few people seem to be capable of doing these days... You admitted an error and then gracefully clarified what you meant. I just wish more people could do what you just did! Hell, I wish I could do so more often!
@@AllThroughALife The problem is that it ruins my counterpoint, since now I have to figure out how to prove that DNA can be created without pre-existing life. The Miller-Urey Experiment shows it's at least possible, whether or not it's plausible.
@@shadowshedinja6124 - Do you really think it could be proven in a message to a video on TH-cam? I would think that sort of thing would require substantially more space. Or perhaps it's already been figured out and you could find a link?
If evolution is proven to be a misunderstanding, there is still nothing to indicate a god. No evidence at all has ever been produced to prove god.
Man I bet Richard is the star player on their dodge ball team. All he did was dodge and use misdirection the entire time.
Evolution itself is a fact it's been proven. What's in dispute is how it happens but even the dispute on that is virtually zero.
Evolution is false, therefore God. Good argument.
Atheist- How are those two things related?
Theist- Because i don't understand either of them!
Evolution depends on just one fact:
DNA is not a perfect replicator.
That's it. Given that, natural selection is not only possible, but inevitable.
@Doctor Powers Tell us again how volcanoes “prove hell exists”.
@Doctor Powers
🤦🏾♂️
None of this has anything to do with the comment about the imperfect replication of DNA over generation cycles.
If you just want to paste gibberish to amuse yourself maybe you should start a blog?
@Doctor Powers Cool story bro. Still need to demonstrate your god exists.
If a piece of fruit isn't a strawberry than it must be a banana??? Genetics also plays a part in intelligence, an idiot produces an idiot. By the way, how's your folks doing?
I heard about a heavy smoker who went to heaven. After much begging, god allowed him to smoke. After zillions of years of eternity, a strange thing happened. Eternity ended, and the guy was catapulted into a new world. After arriving there the first thing he said was, “ does anyone have a light?”
(I stole this gag from an Irishman in 10 years solitary confinement.)
Kenneth Leonard is on fire!
Called in under false pretenses, god of the gaps, "Confusion and evil comes from the enemy" preaching before finally getting dropped like a bad habit.
Simple minds of Richard.
“You’re not getting my point” your point is very easy to understand, it’s just plain wrong.
The butler not committing the crime doesn’t mean the maid did.
How does anyone consider a god, that has no origin, but is incredibly complex in it's concept, simpler than evolution. The concept is ridiculous.
Love it when obvious non scientists call in and want to talk science. That when you should just slam the phone down in their ears.
should have hung up on him the moment he bailed on his original point. that kind of dishonesty shouldn't be rewarded.
Richard was so funny to me. He actively deceived the call-screeners (i.e. lied; i.e. sinned) and then proceeded to do everything in his power to disregard every point presented to him just to preach at the end. Just... hilarious. That's all I can really say....
The silver lining of his call is that it shows believers and non-believers alike how dangerous and mentally stagnant religious zealotry can be. And because of that, someone out there may re-evaluate their beliefs and hopefully seek truth.
Richard tried the same nonsense with Matt. Richard went down in flames the other time, too.🤡
Boy do I hope the caller isn’t a cop, a prosecutor or a judge. I mean…
A man is dead. According to the doctor, he died due to a heart attack.
Caller: „But if it wasn‘t actually a heart attack, he was murdered by the butler by default.“
Yes Richard, we understand exactly what you're saying. You're saying the same thing every ldlot caller has been saying since frigging 2011. 😆😆
I'd still like to know how if proving evolution is false would prove a god is real.. If any Christian is reading this please try answering this question because I'd really like to know how someone would come to that conclusion.
He's not listening because he doesn't want to listen, plain and simple.
Throw evolution out the window and Old Man Peabody’s crazy idea about breeding pine trees is Nobel Prize winning research.
It's obvious they bailed on the call because his logical points and stunning intellect destroyed them completely.
So true. He was the smartestest person like ever. I hope he gets his own show and tells us how he disproved Bill Nye, the smartest scientist ever, using an etch-a-sketch and a toaster.
@@AllThroughALife I think you're spot on. I can't wait to hear his lecture on the applications of quantum theory in next gen computing, or how the new MRNA vaccine techs can be used to innoculate us against future pandemics. One thing is for sure: checkmate, atheists.
@@ptolemyauletesxii8642 - Clearly! What is really fascinating is his proof that quantum theory is actually the mechanics of prayer and that next gen computing is actually how God intends is to communicate directly with Him. And by "Him", I mean the two nice that are actually in charge of the Earth... until that new bypass project heads this way and the Vogons arrive to get it out of the way.