@@MrGrifft If you consider the stories that have come out about the clergy over the last 50 years or more statistically that is possible as well as being charlatans, fraudsters, adulterors and child abusers both physically and sexually and we know psychologically. And if recent stories from Ireland and Canada tell us anything they seem to have a cavalier regard to disposing of dead children in their care. Yet daily they are rolled out by the media to give their opinion on anything and everything.
@@MrGrifft I bring up the subject of religious orphanages and related organisations covering up the deaths of children and disposing of their bodies without reporting those deaths to the authorities and you suggest I calm down. I am very calm when I suggest people consider the things that the clergy are capable of. If you don't find this information horrendous my not being calm will not add anything to the matter. May I suggest you consider that and think of a more appropriate and a less religious apologist reply.
Just come out and say it - you believe in God because your parents told you so. It's as simple as that. The sooner you admit to your blind faith the sooner you can begin looking for the truth.
@Jim Jones If your faith wasn't blind you wouldn't be defending it by using fallacies and falsehoods. How can something be true when it can only be justified by lies?
@Jim Jones Faith is believing in something with no reason such as something logical like proof or concrete evidence. Thus “faith” is unreasonable and illogical. That means faith is blind. The insinuation is that if it is blind then it is without merit.
As a black man it breaks my heart that black people sacrifice their humanity for their religion. It is really sick and I am perplexed by this thinking. Thanks to Matt for calling this out.
It's weird that, when Dillahunty leads the caller to logical conclusion that only two options are possible, A slavery is OK if God allows it, B God is evil for allowing slavery, callers always choose option A. They would rather be pro slavery, then admit there is no good God. And this guy is from Barbados, where slavery was very much an issue.
@@DaviniaHill really? How many Catholics or Muslims do you think their are? The Catholic Church refers to the entire faith. Not just each individual building. There are billions of Catholics
Narock just wanted to call in and preach. Kudos to Matt and Seth for making this an actual discussion and not letting it derail into "I believe this and so should you" kinda thing.
As a fellow of Barbados I can say that every bajan Christian I've talked to has the same mentality. It isn't about justification, it's all an illusory comfort, and so heavily part of our culture. Questioning belief is beyond what is expected, and so does not happen.
I'm a musician and have a good sense of hearing, but I couldn't place his accent; but it sounded like it came from the West Indies. Looking it up up: I was right. THANKS!
As an atheist, I don't mind people like this. As long as they don't try & push it on others & push legislation. It's just funny when these people don't understand why they believe in their god & call the show thinking they'll convince everyone with just their words.
indoctrination from birth is like trapping a baby in the matrix. How can you know whats real when you have been inside the fake every second you have been alive.
@@dragowolfraven3806 I think they all know it’s crap but too invested to even try to challenge it. For example, if you tell a religious bank manager that god told you to give today’s intake to charity, what do you think the response would be?
My family is West Indian (Haiti) and this question is a huge struggle for our culture. We’re not taught to question why we believe certain things. It’s simply a given that it’s true. No examination is done. This thought process is so inundated that anyone who does start to question is looked at as someone who has something psychologically wrong with them
Narock is a classic example of someone who was raised in a religion, never taught to question or think about issues of faith, just to believe and those beliefs were reinforced by his family and church. Now faced with a non-believer...he has no idea how to answer these questions, because he's never encountered them before. That's what religion does...puts you in a box of faith and you aren't taught to think for yourself, because that's the beginning of skepticism and the end of faith.
It doesn't help that he had the IQ of a squirrel. Even a religious intelligent person can explain why they believe something (even tho its BS). He didnt even know what the word "why" meant or how to respond to it.
When I was little I beleved that only people in poor countrys beleved in some kind of religion. People that lived outside of civilization. Now I understand that USA are poor because you don't help the weak. So because you don't have a good social net you still need god because you can't go to a hospital just like people living outside of civilization. The only thing you have left is to pray to a ghost before you die.
@@Alienshade how would believing in God help the "weak"? It's also kind of crappy to view some people as "weak". Is that the kind of viewpoint faith gives you? You think people are weak?
@Ryan Murray believing in god shows you lack critical thinking skills, and tells others you are fine believing whatever the hell you want to believe without any warrant or justification. Aptly demonstrating the arrogance religious people hold is not nearly as offensive as believing that everyone who doesn't think like you is going to hell for eternity.
Didn't he say his father is a minister? He's had the book fed to him at every meal and before bedtime! The book says everything which says anything different to the book is the words of fools or the devil, etc. Every life lesson he has had have come from the one book of moralless fables.
He really is. Thing is you can put an atheist a high school diploma up against a Christian with a PhD in theology and the high schooler will probably embarrass the theologist in a debate on religion.
@@chad3232132 You could put a toddler against a theist and the toddler would come out ahead. At least toddlers have a reason and excuse for believing in fairytales.
It's pretty clear that people like this know they have no justification for their belief. If they felt justified then they would just provide that justification. They get flustered because they are used to others simply accepting their belief without justification. When they fall apart when challenged, it's clear that being challenged is not a common thing for them.
You give him too much credit, I don't think he even understands the concept of justification for a belief, when asked "why?" he just keeps repeating himself.
But you don't need justification for personal belief. If you want to convince others, then you need evidence. But the question of why he believes is quite reasonably answered when he says it's because of personal experiences. The caller wasn't claiming that his experiences should be counted by you as reasonable evidence.
Seth did a masterful job of maneuvering this guy into a position of needing to acknowledge and answer the question while getting around any language barriers that may have existed. Excellent!!!
Every time one of these theists get asked the question of why they believe they get dumbstruck with confusion like they've never before even thought about such a concept. I will give Narock this much though: once Seth so beautifully explained to him how to answer the question he gave the honest answer of 'I don't know' after he was forced to think about it.
@@Fullyautomagic nobody wanted to escape the beauty and abundance of food that Africa provides. The religious Christian set up Missions to spy on Africa. Once they gathered Intel colonialist invaded,raped and pillaged spiritual Africa. Read up on the Berlin conference and the division of Africa.
It's weird that, when Dillahunty leads the caller to logical conclusion that only two options are possible, A slavery is OK if God allows it, B God is evil for allowing slavery, callers always choose option A. They would rather be pro slavery, then admit there is no good God. And this guy is from Barbados, where slavery was very much an issue.
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God" (Psalm 14:1). Do not be a fool, God is real and you will face Him on Judgment Day. If you have repented of your sins and put faith in Jesus Christ, you will go to Heaven. If you die in your current sinful state, you will go to Hell. Not my opinion, God's Promise.
@@56pjr "on my honor my friend, there is none of that which you speak; there is no devil, there is no hell. your soul decays long before you die" Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Friedrich Nietzsche
@@56pjr “Not my opinion..” Yes, *entirely* your opinion. Opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. Your Bible is not historically accurate nor is it factually true.
"I believe in God." "OK. Why?" "Well, Jesus wrote the word." "How do you know?" "I don't want to talk about how I know." "Well, I do. How do you know?" "I believe in God." That's logic right there.
He answered every time. He was asked why he believes. He said he believes because of his personal experiences. That answers the question. The caller did not claim to have demonstrable evidence, he did not claim that his belief should convert others. He was asked a question and he answered it very directly.
@@linklawson5633 This is why nearly every time mainline Christianity becomes too "libertine" you get protestant schisms. Basically how protestantism started. People saw the Catholic hierarchy moving in a liberal direction, resulting in an ultra conservative backlash. What Martin Luther and John Calvin were to the 1500's, John Smith was to the 1800's and Pat Robertson and the Falwells are today. It's always about dialing the clock back to a more backward, prudish time period.
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God" (Psalm 14:1). Do not be a fool, God is real and you will face Him on Judgment Day. If you have repented of your sins and put faith in Jesus Christ, you will go to Heaven. If you die in your current sinful state, you will go to Hell. Not my opinion, God's Promise.
@@56pjr There is no reasoning with people like you. You are so enamoured by some random array of ancient documents that you have no other recourse than to go back and recite the same old bullshit verse every atheist have heard. Yes... some book does say a thing, now prove to us what it says is justified.
@@56pjr The fool says in his heart There is a God, but has no Rational Justification to make this claim, outside of, this is what was force-fed to him as a child by his parents who also believed, because as a child they were force-fed the same bull$h*t.
@@56pjr Of course a BS cult would say "The fool says in his heart, there is no God" (Psalm 14:1) Please try and understand that you are the one who believes in ridiculous things without evidence and qualify as the fool. Please tell everyone why you can see the nonsense in 4000 other gods yet are blind to the nonsense of your own. Thanks.
@@massey904 Which church Jeesus started, Chris ? Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912 ?
If he had studied the scriptures as much as Matt then he wouldn’t call in to the atheist experience to defend the Bible. He would be Matt’s cohost on the program.
Guarantee you this guy hasn't read more than a couple pages of the Bible in any sitting. Maybe not even in sum. The biggest danger to Christianity is people reading most or all of the book. The further in you get the nuttier and more nonsensical it gets. I first read it at 13 and was shocked at how poorly written it was.
Less than a quarter of those who have ever read a Bible have a systematic plan for reading the Christian scriptures each day. And a third of Americans never pick it up on their own, according to a 2017 study from Nashville-based Lifeway Research. Small wonder many church leaders worry about biblical illiteracy, said Scott McConnell, executive director of Lifeway Research. “Most Americans don’t know first-hand the overall story of the Bible-because they rarely pick it up,” McConnell said. “Even among worship attendees less than half read the Bible daily. The only time most Americans hear from the Bible is when someone else is reading it.”
@@ajclements4627 Hah, even a poll literally done by the Southern Baptist Convention comes out with results that makes their faithful look like sheep. In the same poll, only 40% think the Bible is a book worth reading many times.
A painting can not feel, it can not think, it can not act, it exists. To compare people to a picture is insane. I do not want to be killed, I do not want to be injured, I do not want have my stuff stolen, I do not want people to endanger my health, so as a social unspoken agreement with the rest of humans, I do not do these things unto other. Not because of a reward, not because for fear of punishment, but work together with all people to make the world a better place, and to more our civilization forwards in progress.
These are the "morals" upon which some religious people committ mass murders and feel like they are justified in what they do. Amazing what sense of entitlement a stupid old book can give you.
In “primitive” societies evolution weeds out the individuals who do not possess the ability to function within a tribe. They are excluded and can’t survive on their own. It is only a relatively recent development that narcissism and greed are accepted, and rewarded. 10,000 years ago they would have been ostracized. Or they would have invented a religion and made themself its leader.
@@giodc8599 It's weird that, when Dillahunty leads the caller to logical conclusion that only two options are possible, A slavery is OK if God allows it, B God is evil for allowing slavery, callers always choose option A. They would rather be pro slavery, then admit there is no good God. And this guy is from Barbados, where slavery was very much an issue.
Narock: "Matt I guarantee, I know the scriptures much better than you do!" Well... I knew where that was going before he had finished that sentence. :)
I really tried, but can't keep listening. The faith shield is so strong with this one. M: "Why?" C: "I believe..." M: "Why?" C: " I believe..." And repeat. I'm embarrassed to be of same species.
Admit you need to fit in socially and if you say “I believe,”everything is way easier because you conformed. The entire culture is priming you from birth to go along, rewards you when you do and shuns you if you disagree.
The whole society, at least in the U.S. is set up to make excuses for these nutjobs. Even news channels preface and make excuses for the disgusting beliefs of guests by labeling them "deeply held religious beliefs." I don't care if a person's beliefs are based on the bible or some political tract. If those beliefs make society overall worse off, they should be called out for it.
But none of that is true is it? The entire culture is actually priming you to secularism as is the majority of media and Hollywood. To say otherwise is simply a lie.
@@j.cgallagher7092 in the southern US, the culture ABSOLUTELY revolves around christianity. Sure, people watch “Hollywood” on TV, but there’s a cross on the wall somewhere, a bible on the coffee table, plans for church Sunday morning, Sunday and Wednesday night, Tuesday youth group, Thursday Bible study group, on and on and on. If someone asked you what you thought god thinks of what you’re doing, you’re response wouldn’t be to question if there is a god, you would simply consider what god wants. It’s just understood as a fact of life.
Damn, @ 6:41 Seth starts to pull the carpet away from under his feet, and he just keeps going, and going, and going .... 😂 That was a brutal rip through a believers logic.
Instead of listening to the sermons in church, I spent my time reading the book sitting right in front of me. I became an atheist right there in church.
I sat in church every Sunday for 3 years trying to get the spirit, but I couldn't believe the B S spewing from the pastor. It always seemed like nonsense to me and I would disagree constantly with what he was saying
I was a born-again Christian for 20 years. I noticed that there were so many others who believe differently from me. I always said that I would follow the best evidence and change my beliefs accordingly. When I realized that prayers are not answered I began asking many family members and clergy to give me an example of their answered prayers. No one has given me an example of answered prayer. I became an atheist on my own, however, I love all of the people online who speak for the atheist viewpoint!
Everything they basically said to Narock went right over his head. Whenever he got silent I could almost see the sparks leaping out the top of his head and coming through my iPad.🤯
7:22 “I buy that.” I love how Seth is so sincere with these callers. He really is trying to reason with this caller and the caller is just failing to grasp his point on every level.
Funny thing not really related. Just read some quotes for my father from the Bible where it promoted slavery, murder, mass killing, human sacrifice and so on. He turned athiest lol. Partly at least. But he was athiest before he became kinda interested in god but just had to keep him at bay. I don't really know why I wanted to say this but there u go. Mby it gives you some inspiration.
@@pollypockets508 hell, not even the whole thing, just snippets from Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers. How can any sane, decent person call Yahweh an all loving sweetheart and decide to worship him based on that. It's absolute depravity.
This. That's what pulled me away from Christianity. As a kid I always assumed all the huge plot holes in the religion were due to things being told to me incorrectly or being interpreted wrong by adults. Once I read it for myself and realized the stories made even less sense when read literally I never seriously considered myself a Christian again.
Matt has been doing this for so long that he sees the fallacy coming a lightyear away, and he shuts the caller down long before the viewers had the chance to catch up to what the caller is about to say that is false.
@Gods Servant The page where God puts the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, knowing that they would eat the fruit, and knowing everything that comes after that.
@Gods Servant But I never stopped. I read the whole thing. The Noah story had me laughing uncontrollably and falling on the floor at the thought that there are actually people that believe that it is literally true.
@@davidallen111 Yes, I agree the flood story is hilarious. 8 people feeding, watering and removing all the shite from a boat 2/3 the size of Titanic is quite funny.
As much as I enjoy Matt going off on people and showing them exactly how wrong they are, Seth has a much better tact and ability to talk with people by re-affirming their beliefs and explaining why their thought process is flawed.
Yes. Matt has an excellent knowledge of the Bible, logic and philosophy. But Seth hasan excellent approach and tact. Two different ways to approach to a caller.
This is what makes the show so great. You can tell this guy hasn't spent much careful attention to thinking on why he has faith. Doubts are often chased away due to fear, loyalty, and duty to God. And conversations like this for people to face this.
Can a painter toss his paintings in a fire? Yes. Precisely as long as he doesn‘t create paintings that are conscious. That’s where it becomes a totally different story.
Thing about religious beliefs is that their believers often do not know why they believe. They do not know how to go about determining the reason why they believe. They've held it since they were born. They haven't stopped to deeply consider it. They just think... I've known this since I was born, so it must be true.
Google image ancient Babylon and see what it looks like today. These people have made a show denying God existence ' they are on a happy quest and don't even like God. But he is real. Isaiah 13:19-22 New International Version 19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the pride and glory of the Babylonians,[a] will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah. 20 She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; there no nomads will pitch their tents, there no shepherds will rest their flocks. 21 But desert creatureswill lie there, jackals will fill her houses; there the owls will dwell, and there the wild goats will leap about. 22 Hyenas will inhabit her strongholds, jackals her luxurious palaces. Her time is at hand, and her days will not be prolonged.
"When you read these things as a child, it seems like nonsense..." Absolutely agreed! 'When I read them as an adult they seem like nonsense" ...also agreed!
2:20 -ish caller: "this is not what I called to talk about..." Too bad. You're not providing evidence for that statement, and you're not going to be allowed to base your preferred assertion on (at least one) a lie.
As someone with a parent from the Caribbean, I asked where did your religion originate?Who gave it too you? Where did your ancestors originate and why did they not have the same beliefs but you do.
That’s not an accurate way of putting it. Jesus may or may not have written stuff and others may or may not have written about him while he was alive. But we have no evidence that Jesus wrote anything nor that others wrote about him in his lifetime.
@@tp230 Yes it is accurate. Until it's verified that jesus even existed, it can't be verified he wrote anything or was even literate. People can write whatever they want and attribute it to whomever they need. The further back in time that personage exists the more easily that is achieved and the more unlikely/implausible it is to verify the original source.
@@tyrionlannister3459 what I am saying is that we have no evidence that Jesus ever wrote anything therefore you cannot claim he did, neither claim that he did not write anything. The only thing you can say is that we have no evidence of this character Jesus (real or not) ever writing anything, which is different to claiming that “Jesus never wrote anything” like the original poster did. How do you disagree with that?
“I want to believe because I want to believe because I want to believe… and I’m going to get childish and pathetic whenever that is pointed out to me.”
It's always some experience 🙄 I had a dream that Jesus poured his blood onto me, but that doesn't make my dreams reality, why do people act like they're special snowflakes from billions of other people out there? Why is it so difficult for people to just say I don't know?
The reason why is because direct personal experience is extremely compelling to the experiencer, far more compelling than indirect or abstract notions of experience. It's as simple as that, and we're all subject to this condition. The only difference between us, in this regard, is that some of us are more able than others to work with the abstract models of objective reality that (we suppose) will be ultimately more useful to us than simple direct experience. Then, when those models do prove more useful (accordingly to our direct experience of their outcomes) we feel justified in maintaining them and building on them. Really this is a kind of empirical validation of theory, and so we can say that it has an epistemological ground. But whether we say that or not, it definitely has an experiential ground. And some people never get beyond that.
From what I understand, the biblical canons were only just being compiled but I don’t know if they’d even been scribed by the time Jesus was said to have lived.
@@ummmno3871 I thought I got over it in my teens, but still had nagging, irrational fears about hell and Armageddon. Then in my late 30s early 40s I hit a rough patch and the indoctrination drug me back in for over a decade. Now I understand why I was still having such irrational religious fears as an atheist. I was still under the influence of indoctrination though I had already rejected religion in my teens.
Lol at the painter analogy. The difference is that paintings don't have consciousness. If every time we paint something created a living creature and we burned it, then yeah, then it would become immoral.
When you have been told something is so from birth and everyone you know also thinks the same as you as does better than 90 % of the population in the country where you live Matt and Seth'ss question is an incomprehensible one to the caller. It is like asking someone why do you believe in eating or drinking water or breathing.
Narock is having difficulty answering “why” (which he thinks means ‘how’), because he’s never EXAMINED why. He doesn’t realize that he needs an answer to why. He believes because he was raised to believe and because he’s never faced the possibility that truth requires evidence. He just doesn’t have any. He’s the textbook example of blind faith. You’re never going to reach a person who is in this state of mind. If you’re extremely lucky you might plant a question mark in his head that might someday nag him enough to get him actually questioning. Maaaybe then you can reach him.
Matt does know much more about the Bible than the laymen callers on this show. Unlike the vast majority of those callers who more than likely read what their pastors/priests told them to read, Matt actually trained to become an ordained minister and read the Bible front to back many times. This study of the Bible is what brought him to Atheism.
Me and my friend had an argument the other day about how god endorses slavery, he tried telling me that they weren't treated like slaves so then I went onto saying how god also endorses disobedient children being stoned to death, and it was just an argument back and forth after that smh
@@scipioafricanus5871 No he doesn't. Literally the very last Atheist Experience video I watched, Matt explained to the caller that he likes it when the callers have stuff written down ahead of time bc it saves time.
@@scipioafricanus5871 I think the problem is when callers try to trudge through their script, even when the hosts ask them legit questions that the script doesn't cover.
It's weird that, when Dillahunty leads the caller to logical conclusion that only two options are possible, A slavery is OK if God allows it, B God is evil for allowing slavery, callers always choose option A. They would rather be pro slavery, then admit there is no good God. And this guy is from Barbados, where slavery was very much an issue.
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"My father was a pastor"
Mystery solved.
I did a double take there, thought he said "My father was a bastard"
@@MrGrifft Me too !
@@MrGrifft If you consider the stories that have come out about the clergy over the last 50 years or more statistically that is possible as well as being charlatans, fraudsters, adulterors and child abusers both physically and sexually and we know psychologically. And if recent stories from Ireland and Canada tell us anything they seem to have a cavalier regard to disposing of dead children in their care. Yet daily they are rolled out by the media to give their opinion on anything and everything.
@@billgreen576 Calm down.
@@MrGrifft I bring up the subject of religious orphanages and related organisations covering up the deaths of children and disposing of their bodies without reporting those deaths to the authorities and you suggest I calm down. I am very calm when I suggest people consider the things that the clergy are capable of. If you don't find this information horrendous my not being calm will not add anything to the matter. May I suggest you consider that and think of a more appropriate and a less religious apologist reply.
Just come out and say it - you believe in God because your parents told you so. It's as simple as that. The sooner you admit to your blind faith the sooner you can begin looking for the truth.
@Jim Jones Faith without proof is still blind faith....
@Jim Jones And you also don't know what reason and logic are. But you go, Jim Jones. You go.
@Jim Jones If your faith wasn't blind you wouldn't be defending it by using fallacies and falsehoods. How can something be true when it can only be justified by lies?
@Jim Jones Faith is believing in something with no reason such as something logical like proof or concrete evidence. Thus “faith” is unreasonable and illogical. That means faith is blind. The insinuation is that if it is blind then it is without merit.
@Jim Jones don't need faith with evidence.
As a black man it breaks my heart that black people sacrifice their humanity for their religion. It is really sick and I am perplexed by this thinking. Thanks to Matt for calling this out.
WHY WOULD ANY BLACK PERSON WORSHIP THE GOD THAT JUSTIFIED THE SLAVERY OF THEIR ANCESTORS??? SO DUMB
Me too 😢
@@anthonythompson1680 man responded to his own comment 8 months later
@@qwertical1431 lol 😂
The most important thing is to get a college UN-BIASED education and take it from there, then we can talk
Narock is no anomaly, there are billions just like him.
So damn unoriginal with no idea of why he has faith in anything.
It's weird that, when Dillahunty leads the caller to logical conclusion that only two options are possible, A slavery is OK if God allows it, B God is evil for allowing slavery, callers always choose option A. They would rather be pro slavery, then admit there is no good God. And this guy is from Barbados, where slavery was very much an issue.
He is probably named Narock because his head is hard like a rock and the truths cannot easily penetrate...
no church has billionS, they have a billion each.
@@DaviniaHill really? How many Catholics or Muslims do you think their are? The Catholic Church refers to the entire faith. Not just each individual building. There are billions of Catholics
Seth's comments after the call are so precise. His analogy of god and the domestic abuser couldn't be more true. Seth, you're awesome.
But he beats/abuses us because he loves us!
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@@chad3232132 It's all our fault that we made him so angry.
"I don't like bullies, no matter who they are," Steve Rogers
@@og4372 Yes he is.
Seth Is blaming God for everything; he Is wrong. That's where Satán comes about: of it's wrong, the devil did It; if it's good, God did It.
Narock just wanted to call in and preach. Kudos to Matt and Seth for making this an actual discussion and not letting it derail into "I believe this and so should you" kinda thing.
thank you for not whining on matt atitude its getting annoying and was rarely waranted. People need to be like you; focusing on substance and context.
As a fellow of Barbados I can say that every bajan Christian I've talked to has the same mentality. It isn't about justification, it's all an illusory comfort, and so heavily part of our culture. Questioning belief is beyond what is expected, and so does not happen.
I'm a musician and have a good sense of hearing, but I couldn't place his accent; but it sounded like it came from the West Indies. Looking it up up:
I was right. THANKS!
@@Paolo8772 it says he’s from Barbados. I wasn’t aware there was a Barbados outside the West-Indies.
Am from Barbados 🇧🇧 they suffer really bad down there from cognitive dissonance ,religion still have the first slave society enslaved
@@kellydalstok8900 Neither was I; I just didn't know where Barbados was. Ok?
As an atheist, I don't mind people like this. As long as they don't try & push it on others & push legislation. It's just funny when these people don't understand why they believe in their god & call the show thinking they'll convince everyone with just their words.
The looooong pauses every time he’s asked WHY he believes something were hard to endure. You can just feel his brain trying to rationalize.
I think deep down he knows what he believes is a load of crap but he won't admit it🤔😂
@@dragowolfraven3806 Let’s hope that’s the case. Then he might reach a point where he’s honest enough to stop believing.
Maybe but he'll probably just double down and go right on believing.
indoctrination from birth is like trapping a baby in the matrix. How can you know whats real when you have been inside the fake every second you have been alive.
@@dragowolfraven3806 I think they all know it’s crap but too invested to even try to challenge it.
For example, if you tell a religious bank manager that god told you to give today’s intake to charity, what do you think the response would be?
My family is West Indian (Haiti) and this question is a huge struggle for our culture. We’re not taught to question why we believe certain things. It’s simply a given that it’s true. No examination is done. This thought process is so inundated that anyone who does start to question is looked at as someone who has something psychologically wrong with them
Same in the US, unfortunately
That's true with all fundamentalism, religious or otherwise.
Narock is a classic example of someone who was raised in a religion, never taught to question or think about issues of faith, just to believe and those beliefs were reinforced by his family and church. Now faced with a non-believer...he has no idea how to answer these questions, because he's never encountered them before. That's what religion does...puts you in a box of faith and you aren't taught to think for yourself, because that's the beginning of skepticism and the end of faith.
Beautiful said, sad but true.
It's really very sad.
It doesn't help that he had the IQ of a squirrel. Even a religious intelligent person can explain why they believe something (even tho its BS). He didnt even know what the word "why" meant or how to respond to it.
"That's exactly what we're asking of you" Seth has a great voice and cuts right to the point. It's always a treat when he's on the show.
His voice is beautiful
I listen to his podcast on Google podcasts ,he is intelligent and patient.
It's kind of amazing with all of these clips and information on the internet that anyone still believes
When I was little I beleved that only people in poor countrys beleved in some kind of religion. People that lived outside of civilization. Now I understand that USA are poor because you don't help the weak. So because you don't have a good social net you still need god because you can't go to a hospital just like people living outside of civilization. The only thing you have left is to pray to a ghost before you die.
@@Alienshade how would believing in God help the "weak"? It's also kind of crappy to view some people as "weak". Is that the kind of viewpoint faith gives you? You think people are weak?
@Ryan Murray believing in god shows you lack critical thinking skills, and tells others you are fine believing whatever the hell you want to believe without any warrant or justification. Aptly demonstrating the arrogance religious people hold is not nearly as offensive as believing that everyone who doesn't think like you is going to hell for eternity.
@@Dsullivann I don't believe.
@@Ryanthebrobdingnagian fair enough just adding my 2 cents to what you said 👍
This guy has clearly never even considered this question.
he's most likely never had someone actually challenge him on it
Believers don't know how to answer questions because asking is forbidden.
Didn't he say his father is a minister? He's had the book fed to him at every meal and before bedtime! The book says everything which says anything different to the book is the words of fools or the devil, etc. Every life lesson he has had have come from the one book of moralless fables.
Belief does not allow doubt.
@@redmed10
Yes, belief only requires gullibility.
Unless there's facts and evidence that warrant a belief being held that is.
Perfect summation by Seth there. The man is a god damn word wizard
He really is. Thing is you can put an atheist a high school diploma up against a Christian with a PhD in theology and the high schooler will probably embarrass the theologist in a debate on religion.
@@chad3232132 You could put a toddler against a theist and the toddler would come out ahead. At least toddlers have a reason and excuse for believing in fairytales.
@Jim Jones Tell us more about your argument from ignorance and incredulity delusions and magical sky daddy, this is riveting..
@Jim Jones No one needs to embarrassed you, because you are doing that quite well on your own.
@Jim Jones Jim.... you just embarassed yourself. Nobody even got the chance to attempt...
God: I love you.
Also God: Love me back unconditionally or I'll punish you for eternity.
God killed my dog and gave my wife cancer because he loves me!
I didn't call to speak about how my understanding fails, I called to preach and you won't let me - SMH
That's definitely not going to be allowed to happen, not on this show.
No no no,...
It's pretty clear that people like this know they have no justification for their belief. If they felt justified then they would just provide that justification. They get flustered because they are used to others simply accepting their belief without justification. When they fall apart when challenged, it's clear that being challenged is not a common thing for them.
That’s why churches exist. To reaffirm the lies to keep you from questioning things, and to take your money.
Echo chambers
You give him too much credit, I don't think he even understands the concept of justification for a belief, when asked "why?" he just keeps repeating himself.
But you don't need justification for personal belief. If you want to convince others, then you need evidence. But the question of why he believes is quite reasonably answered when he says it's because of personal experiences. The caller wasn't claiming that his experiences should be counted by you as reasonable evidence.
Adrian you have to state why you believe personally bc it's as to be faith and that's not reliable reason to believe anything
Seth did a masterful job of maneuvering this guy into a position of needing to acknowledge and answer the question while getting around any language barriers that may have existed. Excellent!!!
Dave Allen had the best saying for this "May your God go with you."
Well said. Loved Dave Allen.
Amazing insight shown by Seth and way to hold the callers ass to the fire, Matt-thank you so much guys.
For all the debunking by Matt , the last couple of minutes by Seth summed up EXACTLY what the issues actually are.
You can tell when someone has never been asked how they know the Bible is the word of God. They just freeze.
Every time one of these theists get asked the question of why they believe they get dumbstruck with confusion like they've never before even thought about such a concept. I will give Narock this much though: once Seth so beautifully explained to him how to answer the question he gave the honest answer of 'I don't know' after he was forced to think about it.
And he avoided the "thinking" aspect.
Religion doesn't allow thinking or asking questions.
Evvvvveeerrrrry time!
Narock has a real short memory about Barbadian history. I guess his ancestors just came willingly and cheerfully from Africa.
Some of them did want to escape Africa.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Fullyautomagic not escape, they where explorers that knew boat technology. All others where in slave ships.
@@Fullyautomagic nobody wanted to escape the beauty and abundance of food that Africa provides. The religious Christian set up Missions to spy on Africa. Once they gathered Intel colonialist invaded,raped and pillaged spiritual Africa. Read up on the Berlin conference and the division of Africa.
It's weird that, when Dillahunty leads the caller to logical conclusion that only two options are possible, A slavery is OK if God allows it, B God is evil for allowing slavery, callers always choose option A. They would rather be pro slavery, then admit there is no good God. And this guy is from Barbados, where slavery was very much an issue.
Seth was incredible on this call. Love hearing his thoughts!
I Get more sense from a child when I ask 'why do you believe in Santa' ..
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God" (Psalm 14:1). Do not be a fool, God is real and you will face Him on Judgment Day. If you have repented of your sins and put faith in Jesus Christ, you will go to Heaven. If you die in your current sinful state, you will go to Hell. Not my opinion, God's Promise.
@@56pjr nonsense. No god exists.
@@56pjr "on my honor my friend, there is none of that which you speak; there is no devil, there is no hell. your soul decays long before you die" Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Friedrich Nietzsche
@@56pjr “Not my opinion..” Yes, *entirely* your opinion.
Opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Your Bible is not historically accurate nor is it factually true.
I get more sense from an adult who still believes in Santa.
"I believe in God."
"OK. Why?"
"Well, Jesus wrote the word."
"How do you know?"
"I don't want to talk about how I know."
"Well, I do. How do you know?"
"I believe in God."
That's logic right there.
It takes a special kind of skill to not loose one’s temper when a god botherer evades answering a question for the 10th time.
*lose*
Ones’ because you’re talking about everyone who has the skill, not just an individual.
@@fantomphalcon9153 This is not at all how the word “one’s” works
He answered every time. He was asked why he believes. He said he believes because of his personal experiences. That answers the question. The caller did not claim to have demonstrable evidence, he did not claim that his belief should convert others. He was asked a question and he answered it very directly.
@@AdrianLParker No, saying from personal experience is not a satisfactory response as it is indemonstrable.
I literally heard Narock's brain crashed after Seth told him "thats exactly what we want you to do" smh.
You two guys are WWAAYY to Accommodating. Thats why this keeps going. Im so happy to see you together.
14 minutes that Seth and Matt will never get back. Its good to see you two together...I follow you both on YT.
Belief is always used as an excuse for:
Laziness, or
Ignorance, or
Incapacity to think.
"Wants to talk about God and morality"
Hoo boy, there's an oxymoron from the get go.
Yes indeed.
But a lot of Christian "morality" is nothing but PRUDISM anyway, which I think people are really better off without.
@@linklawson5633 This is why nearly every time mainline Christianity becomes too "libertine" you get protestant schisms. Basically how protestantism started. People saw the Catholic hierarchy moving in a liberal direction, resulting in an ultra conservative backlash. What Martin Luther and John Calvin were to the 1500's, John Smith was to the 1800's and Pat Robertson and the Falwells are today. It's always about dialing the clock back to a more backward, prudish time period.
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One can't honestly say Jesus wrote, said or did anything in reality.
There is no evidence he even existed.
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God" (Psalm 14:1). Do not be a fool, God is real and you will face Him on Judgment Day. If you have repented of your sins and put faith in Jesus Christ, you will go to Heaven. If you die in your current sinful state, you will go to Hell. Not my opinion, God's Promise.
@@56pjr There is no reasoning with people like you. You are so enamoured by some random array of ancient documents that you have no other recourse than to go back and recite the same old bullshit verse every atheist have heard.
Yes... some book does say a thing, now prove to us what it says is justified.
@@56pjr The fool says in his heart There is a God, but has no Rational Justification to make this claim, outside of, this is what was force-fed to him as a child by his parents who also believed, because as a child they were force-fed the same bull$h*t.
@@56pjr Of course a BS cult would say "The fool says in his heart, there is no God" (Psalm 14:1)
Please try and understand that you are the one who believes in ridiculous things without evidence and qualify as the fool.
Please tell everyone why you can see the nonsense in 4000 other gods yet are blind to the nonsense of your own. Thanks.
@@massey904 Which church Jeesus started, Chris ?
Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912 ?
I love listening to Matt and Seth play good cop bad cop
If he had studied the scriptures as much as Matt then he wouldn’t call in to the atheist experience to defend the Bible. He would be Matt’s cohost on the program.
Guarantee you this guy hasn't read more than a couple pages of the Bible in any sitting. Maybe not even in sum. The biggest danger to Christianity is people reading most or all of the book. The further in you get the nuttier and more nonsensical it gets. I first read it at 13 and was shocked at how poorly written it was.
Less than a quarter of those who have ever read a Bible have a systematic plan for reading the Christian scriptures each day. And a third of Americans never pick it up on their own, according to a 2017 study from Nashville-based Lifeway Research.
Small wonder many church leaders worry about biblical illiteracy, said Scott McConnell, executive director of Lifeway Research.
“Most Americans don’t know first-hand the overall story of the Bible-because they rarely pick it up,” McConnell said. “Even among worship attendees less than half read the Bible daily. The only time most Americans hear from the Bible is when someone else is reading it.”
@@ajclements4627 Hah, even a poll literally done by the Southern Baptist Convention comes out with results that makes their faithful look like sheep. In the same poll, only 40% think the Bible is a book worth reading many times.
@@ajclements4627 Perhaps christians skip the nasty bits, like my mother in law did with her newspaper.
WOOOORD!😁
A painting can not feel, it can not think, it can not act, it exists. To compare people to a picture is insane.
I do not want to be killed, I do not want to be injured, I do not want have my stuff stolen, I do not want people to endanger my health, so as a social unspoken agreement with the rest of humans, I do not do these things unto other. Not because of a reward, not because for fear of punishment, but work together with all people to make the world a better place, and to more our civilization forwards in progress.
These are the "morals" upon which some religious people committ mass murders and feel like they are justified in what they do. Amazing what sense of entitlement a stupid old book can give you.
In “primitive” societies evolution weeds out the individuals who do not possess the ability to function within a tribe. They are excluded and can’t survive on their own. It is only a relatively recent development that narcissism and greed are accepted, and rewarded. 10,000 years ago they would have been ostracized. Or they would have invented a religion and made themself its leader.
@@giodc8599 It's weird that, when Dillahunty leads the caller to logical conclusion that only two options are possible, A slavery is OK if God allows it, B God is evil for allowing slavery, callers always choose option A. They would rather be pro slavery, then admit there is no good God. And this guy is from Barbados, where slavery was very much an issue.
Narock: "Matt I guarantee, I know the scriptures much better than you do!"
Well... I knew where that was going before he had finished that sentence. :)
They can't think for themselves.
Take away Biblical scripture and they become tongue tied.
I really tried, but can't keep listening. The faith shield is so strong with this one. M: "Why?" C: "I believe..." M: "Why?" C: " I believe..." And repeat. I'm embarrassed to be of same species.
So frustrating to listen to.
And some say we don't share a common ancestor with monkeys 😅
If you didn't watch whole video, you might have missed 13:16-13:56. Please watch that segment, it's embarrassing for caller, more than rest the video.
Matt and Seth are soooo great together!
Nice to see the two of you on the same program.
Family and Geography are the Two main Determinants for Religious Beliefs!!! That's a Great One!!
Admit you need to fit in socially and if you say “I believe,”everything is way easier because you conformed. The entire culture is priming you from birth to go along, rewards you when you do and shuns you if you disagree.
The whole society, at least in the U.S. is set up to make excuses for these nutjobs. Even news channels preface and make excuses for the disgusting beliefs of guests by labeling them "deeply held religious beliefs." I don't care if a person's beliefs are based on the bible or some political tract. If those beliefs make society overall worse off, they should be called out for it.
But none of that is true is it? The entire culture is actually priming you to secularism as is the majority of media and Hollywood. To say otherwise is simply a lie.
@@j.cgallagher7092 in the southern US, the culture ABSOLUTELY revolves around christianity.
Sure, people watch “Hollywood” on TV, but there’s a cross on the wall somewhere, a bible on the coffee table, plans for church Sunday morning, Sunday and Wednesday night, Tuesday youth group, Thursday Bible study group, on and on and on.
If someone asked you what you thought god thinks of what you’re doing, you’re response wouldn’t be to question if there is a god, you would simply consider what god wants. It’s just understood as a fact of life.
@@barkYdarkATFB I guess you just watch Little house on the prairie on a loop.
Conform just like this vaccine and mask nonsense.
Two of my favorite atheist hosts!
Damn, @ 6:41 Seth starts to pull the carpet away from under his feet, and he just keeps going, and going, and going .... 😂
That was a brutal rip through a believers logic.
Seth's last point was so poignant. I love Seth! More Seth.
Instead of listening to the sermons in church, I spent my time reading the book sitting right in front of me. I became an atheist right there in church.
I sat in church every Sunday for 3 years trying to get the spirit, but I couldn't believe the B S spewing from the pastor. It always seemed like nonsense to me and I would disagree constantly with what he was saying
Same I read the whole bible 3 times and lost faith on my third term cause it started coming alive for what it was
I'm so glad Matt is on our side. I'd hate to have to defend myself against him.
It helps when you're right!
I was a born-again Christian for 20 years. I noticed that there were so many others who believe differently from me. I always said that I would follow the best evidence and change my beliefs accordingly. When I realized that prayers are not answered I began asking many family members and clergy to give me an example of their answered prayers. No one has given me an example of answered prayer. I became an atheist on my own, however, I love all of the people online who speak for the atheist viewpoint!
Everything they basically said to Narock went right over his head. Whenever he got silent I could almost see the sparks leaping out the top of his head and coming through my iPad.🤯
Narock got hammered not only by religion but the atheist experience
Narrack was probably fuming with anger for days… lol
7:22 “I buy that.” I love how Seth is so sincere with these callers. He really is trying to reason with this caller and the caller is just failing to grasp his point on every level.
It´s just basically just "I was raised to believe that the Bible is the word of God, because it says so in the Bible and I have never questioned it. "
I believe because I believe because I believe
Just say it's faith and shut up
The inability to answer questions directly has got to be one of the most frustrating things. 😑
Wow, that caller seriously needs to read his bible himself instead of having someone read it for him.
Anyone who reads the Bible from cover to cover and still wants to be a Christian is not someone I want to spend any amount of time with.
Funny thing not really related. Just read some quotes for my father from the Bible where it promoted slavery, murder, mass killing, human sacrifice and so on. He turned athiest lol. Partly at least. But he was athiest before he became kinda interested in god but just had to keep him at bay. I don't really know why I wanted to say this but there u go. Mby it gives you some inspiration.
@@pollypockets508 hell, not even the whole thing, just snippets from Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers.
How can any sane, decent person call Yahweh an all loving sweetheart and decide to worship him based on that. It's absolute depravity.
This. That's what pulled me away from Christianity. As a kid I always assumed all the huge plot holes in the religion were due to things being told to me incorrectly or being interpreted wrong by adults. Once I read it for myself and realized the stories made even less sense when read literally I never seriously considered myself a Christian again.
Atheism is what happens when you read the Bible.
Theism is what happens when someone reads it to you
Matt has been doing this for so long that he sees the fallacy coming a lightyear away, and he shuts the caller down long before the viewers had the chance to catch up to what the caller is about to say that is false.
13:56 you dont get to say... 🔥🔥
Update on Narrock: The hospital says he is sitting up drinking liquids now. Next week they will try solids. 👍
Seth seems very amused 🤣🤣. OMG!! Seth is amazing at clarifying and spelling it out for you to the most basic understanding.
In Christianity we are to God as ants in an ant "farm", not an ant "hill". An ant hill symbolizes more freedom than God would allow.
@Gods Servant The page where God puts the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, knowing that they would eat the fruit, and knowing everything that comes after that.
@Gods Servant But I never stopped. I read the whole thing. The Noah story had me laughing uncontrollably and falling on the floor at the thought that there are actually people that believe that it is literally true.
@Gods Servant I've read your fairy tale book several times. It's the worst written book on superstition I've ever read.
@@davidallen111 Yes, I agree the flood story is hilarious. 8 people feeding, watering and removing all the shite from a boat 2/3 the size of Titanic is quite funny.
@Gods Servant I've read the whole book. It starts poorly and never gets any better.
As much as I enjoy Matt going off on people and showing them exactly how wrong they are, Seth has a much better tact and ability to talk with people by re-affirming their beliefs and explaining why their thought process is flawed.
Yes. Matt has an excellent knowledge of the Bible, logic and philosophy. But Seth hasan excellent approach and tact. Two different ways to approach to a caller.
@@kentonbaird1723 but when alls you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
When you have a Bible, everything looks like God. 😁
@@ajclements4627 😂
@@lyndonbauer1703 damn that's a good one!!
Seth is a smart guy.
This is what makes the show so great. You can tell this guy hasn't spent much careful attention to thinking on why he has faith. Doubts are often chased away due to fear, loyalty, and duty to God. And conversations like this for people to face this.
Matt and all team .. i owe u at least 40 shots and 40 beers ... lifetime redeemable ... salute
Seth really put the nail in the cross, so to speak, on this one. Great job.
Can a painter toss his paintings in a fire?
Yes. Precisely as long as he doesn‘t create paintings that are conscious. That’s where it becomes a totally different story.
Delusional.
The painter can still DO it, but the screams would be hard to take.
@Gary Allen What?
@Gary Allen bro wtf is wrong with your brain
@Gary Allen lol what planet do you live on where that made sense??
Thing about religious beliefs is that their believers often do not know why they believe. They do not know how to go about determining the reason why they believe. They've held it since they were born. They haven't stopped to deeply consider it. They just think... I've known this since I was born, so it must be true.
Google image ancient Babylon and see what it looks like today. These people have made a show denying God existence ' they are on a happy quest and don't even like God. But he is real.
Isaiah 13:19-22
New International Version
19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms,
the pride and glory of the Babylonians,[a]
will be overthrown by God
like Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 She will never be inhabited
or lived in through all generations;
there no nomads will pitch their tents,
there no shepherds will rest their flocks.
21 But desert creatureswill lie there,
jackals will fill her houses;
there the owls will dwell,
and there the wild goats will leap about.
22 Hyenas will inhabit her strongholds,
jackals her luxurious palaces.
Her time is at hand,
and her days will not be prolonged.
"When you read these things as a child, it seems like nonsense..."
Absolutely agreed!
'When I read them as an adult they seem like nonsense"
...also agreed!
2:20 -ish caller: "this is not what I called to talk about..."
Too bad. You're not providing evidence for that statement, and you're not going to be allowed to base your preferred assertion on (at least one) a lie.
As someone with a parent from the Caribbean, I asked where did your religion originate?Who gave it too you? Where did your ancestors originate and why did they not have the same beliefs but you do.
jesus never wrote anything, and nobody wrote anything ABOUT jesus while he was "alive". odd that.
That’s not an accurate way of putting it. Jesus may or may not have written stuff and others may or may not have written about him while he was alive. But we have no evidence that Jesus wrote anything nor that others wrote about him in his lifetime.
@@tp230
Yes it is accurate.
Until it's verified that jesus even existed, it can't be verified he wrote anything or was even literate.
People can write whatever they want and attribute it to whomever they need. The further back in time that personage exists the more easily that is achieved and the more unlikely/implausible it is to verify the original source.
@@tyrionlannister3459 “yes it is accurate” → whose assertion are you referring to?
@@tp230
On the first 8 words you wrote. I disagreed with you.
@@tyrionlannister3459 what I am saying is that we have no evidence that Jesus ever wrote anything therefore you cannot claim he did, neither claim that he did not write anything.
The only thing you can say is that we have no evidence of this character Jesus (real or not) ever writing anything, which is different to claiming that “Jesus never wrote anything” like the original poster did. How do you disagree with that?
“I want to believe because I want to believe because I want to believe… and I’m going to get childish and pathetic whenever that is pointed out to me.”
MY understanding is that the GOD of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is the SAME, .. . they just differ when it comes to JESUS.
Possibly, the question I struggle with though is not whether they are the same it’s whether it even exists.
Go back much, much further, you’ll find the same bullshit wearing different clothes.
All gods are the same! Imaginary !
YEP! They are all the same as in none of them exist in reality 🤪
It's always some experience 🙄 I had a dream that Jesus poured his blood onto me, but that doesn't make my dreams reality, why do people act like they're special snowflakes from billions of other people out there? Why is it so difficult for people to just say I don't know?
The reason why is because direct personal experience is extremely compelling to the experiencer, far more compelling than indirect or abstract notions of experience.
It's as simple as that, and we're all subject to this condition. The only difference between us, in this regard, is that some of us are more able than others to work with the abstract models of objective reality that (we suppose) will be ultimately more useful to us than simple direct experience. Then, when those models do prove more useful (accordingly to our direct experience of their outcomes) we feel justified in maintaining them and building on them.
Really this is a kind of empirical validation of theory, and so we can say that it has an epistemological ground. But whether we say that or not, it definitely has an experiential ground. And some people never get beyond that.
Get ‘em Matt and Seth!!!
This is an extreme test of anyone’s patience!
Jesus - assuming he existed - even with all his supposedly divine knowledge didn't even know how to read or write.
From what I understand, the biblical canons were only just being compiled but I don’t know if they’d even been scribed by the time Jesus was said to have lived.
It’s always the childhood indoctrination. Always.
Child abuse. Took me 36 years to shake free of it.
@@ummmno3871 I thought I got over it in my teens, but still had nagging, irrational fears about hell and Armageddon. Then in my late 30s early 40s I hit a rough patch and the indoctrination drug me back in for over a decade.
Now I understand why I was still having such irrational religious fears as an atheist. I was still under the influence of indoctrination though I had already rejected religion in my teens.
Because religion is evile.
It’s is so simple
If you can prove a god or gods exits there would be no atheists .
That’ would be the end of your show.
Now what do you do
@@jeoffwalden4492 it’s simple, but where’s the proof? 🤣
Seth, "That's exactly what we are asking you to do." (To explain why you believe..) and as Narock replied "er..." I clapped.
Seth's commentary at the end is priceless 👌🏾
how come jesus walked around for 33 years but he never wrote down a single sentence.
Man reads old book given by his dad. He believes because he was told to. Very sad.
Having as your daily task to (try to) talk to these people... I'm impressed, really. The patience that has to come with it...
Just another theist dancing around FAITH nothing else.
dancing? more like shooting holes in your logic. God will only exist when he presents himself.
@@watsxn so until then he doesn't exist boy that's some fucking logic for ya 😂 like Big Foot!
Lol at the painter analogy. The difference is that paintings don't have consciousness. If every time we paint something created a living creature and we burned it, then yeah, then it would become immoral.
When you have been told something is so from birth and everyone you know also thinks the same as you as does better than 90 % of the population in the country where you live Matt and Seth'ss question is an incomprehensible one to the caller. It is like asking someone why do you believe in eating or drinking water or breathing.
Narock is having difficulty answering “why” (which he thinks means ‘how’), because he’s never EXAMINED why. He doesn’t realize that he needs an answer to why. He believes because he was raised to believe and because he’s never faced the possibility that truth requires evidence. He just doesn’t have any. He’s the textbook example of blind faith. You’re never going to reach a person who is in this state of mind. If you’re extremely lucky you might plant a question mark in his head that might someday nag him enough to get him actually questioning. Maaaybe then you can reach him.
Matt does know much more about the Bible than the laymen callers on this show. Unlike the vast majority of those callers who more than likely read what their pastors/priests told them to read, Matt actually trained to become an ordained minister and read the Bible front to back many times. This study of the Bible is what brought him to Atheism.
7:01
used to get to this point with my family at like 1 or 2 AM in the kitchen
absolutely exhausted from arguing haha
Me and my friend had an argument the other day about how god endorses slavery, he tried telling me that they weren't treated like slaves so then I went onto saying how god also endorses disobedient children being stoned to death, and it was just an argument back and forth after that smh
@@loki6626 lol dude, that's so evil, I love it 🤣
Brilliant @@loki6626 truly genius.😃🤣🤣
As an outspoken atheist; I've always felt exposing any child to religion under the age of 18 is akin to mental and emotional child abuse.
I wonder what it is about 'talking snake' that believers find so believable?
@Jim Jones How do you ‘debunk” atheism dingus, it has F all to do with science.
@Jim Jones
Give it up “Dr” Jimmy, you keep slobbering the same unutterable nonsense, nobody cares.
Don't engage with @Jim Jones . It's a troll. Ignore it. Ignorant claims. Worthless arguments. Irrelevant statements.
Sad troll
Sad😢
About 8 minutes in I realised it’s Seth andrews from the thinking atheist podcast! Yewww! I listen to him often and am delighted to see him with Matt
I asked why jesus never wrote anything that was saved and a genius said he was too busy doing miracles😂😂😨
@Gods Servant You’re an adult, you have no imaginary friend. Grow the F up and join the 21st century.
Clever maybe, but not genius.
@God's Servant don't
@God's Servant "preach and claim" that should be your motto.
9:16 what standard did u use?
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A guy trying to claim that he knows more about the Bible than Matt?
Perhaps he should watch a show before he calls into it? 😂
He was woefully unprepared.
@@tyrionlannister3459 But Matt also hate it when they read from a prepared script. Which one is it gonna be?
@@scipioafricanus5871
They do seem to have alot of defense mechanisms at the ready.
The goatherders guide to the galaxy, the cultist handbook.
@@scipioafricanus5871 No he doesn't. Literally the very last Atheist Experience video I watched, Matt explained to the caller that he likes it when the callers have stuff written down ahead of time bc it saves time.
@@scipioafricanus5871 I think the problem is when callers try to trudge through their script, even when the hosts ask them legit questions that the script doesn't cover.
So nice to hear the guest host speak, especially rationally.
It's weird that, when Dillahunty leads the caller to logical conclusion that only two options are possible, A slavery is OK if God allows it, B God is evil for allowing slavery, callers always choose option A. They would rather be pro slavery, then admit there is no good God. And this guy is from Barbados, where slavery was very much an issue.