Northern Sunfish & a BIG UPDATE on The Longear Species Complex
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- Fishing tips, identification, and what's new with the Lepomis megalotis species complex. We’ll cover how to identify the northern sunfish (Lepomis peltastes) as well as get into this fish’s history and lineage. The details of how to catch a northern sunfish should help knock this fish off your life-list. Lepomis solis, Lepomis aquilensis, Lepomis sp. Ozark, and Lepomis sp. Ouachita are the new proposed species split in the longear species complex.
PROMISED LINK & MAIN REF FOR LONGEAR SPLIT: doi.org/10.1093/sysbio/syab029
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
1:13 Range
2:29 Habitat
4:41 Fishing Tips Start
7:46 Bait Options & Methods
9:35 Hook Sizes to Use
10:57 History & Longear Species Complex
15:24 Those Potomac 'Longear'...
18:48 Genetic Admixture in Ohio
19:40 New Longear Species or Not?
22:52 ID Tips
25:26 Hybrid Northern vs. Pumpkinseed
26:31 Male vs. Female
29:08 Introgression ID
31:26 Crazy Mixes Down South - กีฬา
Been an Avs fan since they moved to Colorado. Had to plug 'em in this! Also, don't use the photos I pulled for ID on the longear split. Those were the only public domain images I could get on short notice (the Ozark specimen may be admixed.) I will make a longear video in the future that completely covers identification and more! Cheers!
I'm in Massachusetts I want to get one
I don't now how you don't have more followers... Your channel is so informative and educational! I'd love to see when you're able to go out and catch all the Longear species.
Appreciate that, Johnny! Yeah, maybe one day we'll get some more subs. And, yeah, I'd like to plan on that trip too--maybe this year or the next.
This is the coolest topic and fill of great info
It is a great topic! Glad you find the info to be great. Cheers!
Excellent video! I'm going to be in Chicago and Minneapolis this summer for work for about three weeks total. I've got about 5 days off between the two. My plan is to rent a car and drive slowly from one city to the other while stopping and fishing. Looking forward to all the cool species I might be able to catch on this trip, the northern sunfish being one of them.
Thanks! Good luck on that trip. You'll have plenty of opportunity to nab northern sunfishes and other species.
Great video. I fish the Potomac watershed often and caught my first one in 1986. I was floored by their beauty. I've always thought of them as longears, so this was very informative and interesting. I just found your channel and, while watching mid-way, subbed. I didn't realize the relationship with the Northerns until recently when a fellow NANFA member told me about it. There isn't a lot of info about the Potomac Longear x Northerns on the web, so this was extremely helpful. Thanks again!
Appreciate the kind comment, Kevin! Yeah, there really isn't much on the Potomac population so I was glad to find a study shedding some light on that. Cheers man!
@@KNFishingSmarts Hi Koaw. Do you have or know about any more info on the Potomac strain of these fish? There's a little debate about the ID of these fish on the NANFA FB group. Much appreciated. Hope all is well.
Thanks for the great video! I especially love the creek cam.
And congrats to your Avs on their Stanley Cup win!!!
I acquired a small Lepomis for my aquarium in Florida this week. I’m not confident yet if it’s Longear or Dollar, but I kept it because I was fairly certain it is a Dollar.
Thanks! Yeah, it feels good to get that Cup. Also, if you captured that lepomid in Florida than you're right that it's most likely a dollar. Longear are really only occasionally found in that far north-west section of Florida.
Love the video! Super informative about Northern Sunfish as well as about the muddy waters that are the Longear complex and how they are maybe hopefully being split up into species (key word being maybe lol). Neat info on some of the retrogressed specimens as well including in the Potomac 😎
Thanks Dustin! And much thanks again for letting me plug your photos. They were just such great underwater shots. Plus being able to use a hybrid was great.
Oh I can definitely put you on L. megalotis here in middle TN btw 😊
I'm biased, but I think our local version is the most beautiful.
That's okay to biased about having beautiful longear! Thanks for sharing.
It's been a while. Miss your videos. Hope you are well. 😊
Appreciate that. Been busy but hoping to get more vids out this season.
Im so glad you plan on making a video about Texas sunfish. I hope you can come to southeast Texas, and see if there is any interesting specimens.
That's the plan...one day! Texas has some amazing variability so it'll be cool to see that first-hand.
@@KNFishingSmarts If you go to Texas, I hope you stop by the big thicket region in South East Texas. Its so diverse, it has so many sunfish in one region and they have high variability.
I havent seen one of these yet in the Southwestern Ont region...took 2 years to even find a green sunfish lol
I caught some big Greengill and Greenseed though :/ Feel free to use any photos of mine on Inaturalist, I love your videos and would be honored!
I think its like you said, going too big....need to do more microfishing style for them.
Appreciate your offer to use your photos! I'm sure I'll have need of 'em in the future. Good luck getting that northern! Be sure to tag me on iNat when ya do.
You have just complicated my life so much lol
Haha, I think many of us are feeling that way on this topic.
Interesting how DNA capability doesn’t erase confusion over whether a fish is a separate species or not. With hybridization, do fish evolve more rapidly than other creatures? As a non-angler, I find your videos fascinating because they speak to large issues of bio-diversity. Enjoyed this one immensely!
Yeah, it's all a complicated mess. And really there is no simple answer to your question about hybrids causing evolution to occur quicker. It's all scenario-based. But most typically, no, hybrids don't really cause for rapid evolution because most offspring are infertile or have very minimal success for passing on genes. In the case of the longear/northern, they were still so closely related in their evolution when they had the secondary contact that the genes were easily capable of flowing and staying in future populations.
They're still around Montreal, my buddy has caught a couple in one bay. Very rare though.
Thanks for sharing that, Bradley! Yeah, I suspect they must be very rare in the area.
Would I be able to count the potomac longear as a new species on my list? (caught 2 today)
Eh, that's gotta be your call depending on how you do your life-list. It'll probably remain just a "longear" officially, but that is such a unique population that I'd consider it a subsection.
well dont expect you to break/or melt down on this q...--Im from denmark,- and caught a few sunfish bout a year ago ,-and lately ive been following ur charts on the id of sunfish in general ,heres the thing,- i cant tell for sure ,eventhough u describe the peltastes and the gibbosus on different vids,---i got these sunfish in a 150 gallon tank during vinter and in a smaller pond during summer ,-now i dont know my ass from my albow,- but these fish i got now,,, im not sure what they are,-- pumpkin seed or northerns..hope u can explain it for a dummy like me (love the channel btw)
If you caught those fish in Denmark and they are of the genus Lepomis, then those will be pumpkinseed. No northern sunfish are in Europe.
The easiest way to tell pumpkinseed from northern sunfish is to look at the size - if the fish are bigger than 5 inches/13 cm then they are probably pumpkinseed.
There's another comparison chart on my site: koaw.org/pumpkinseed of pumpkinseed vs. northern. If that fails, shoot me a message on my site and I'll try to get back to you so you can email photos.
So what all Lepomis do we have in the northwest?
All the lepomids in the northwest as far as BC, Washington, Oregon, etc. are all introduced. But those are mainly going to be bluegill, redear sunfish, pumpkinseed, and warmouth. Plus, some warmouth are around there.
Another great video.
Hit me up if you need anything should your travels take you to south central Texas.
Alright, thanks! I've made a note of that. I'll be sure to hit you up if I get to that region.
Are all the longears in the potomac hybrids or is there some pure northerns or longears?
So far it appears that all specimens should be considered admixed. It would make sense that the admixture happened before the 'longear' ventured into the Potomac zone. However, I'm not saying that with full confidence until I see more genetic analyses. Sorry that isn't a straight yes or no--but I just don't know for sure yet.