Fool. Carried fisher killed herself addicted to drugs. Leia is a great SW character. Carrier fisher was a actress. Superman is a great DC hero. Christopher Reeves is an actor. Hulk is a great Marvel hero. Lou Ferrigno, Eric Banner, Ed Norton, Mark Ruffalo ... as all actors. Dumbass.
After leaving the theater on TLJ's opening night, I told my friends that it was a huge mistake to keep Leia alive for the next film. They had the perfect opportunity to change up the script and they had plenty of time to do reshoots. This trilogy is a remarkable example of absolutely stunning incompetence by directors, producers and writers.
It's like, from the moment they bought the franchise, Disney/Lucasfilm preceded to make every single decision the wrong one. It's like a mandelbrot zoom of terrible decision making.
Same here. that grace note with the kid bringing the broom to him with the force felt more like an ending than a cliff hanger to clear the path for a sequel
Leia's death would have been the perfect reason to bring Luke out of the shadows, and her death could have been moved to the end of the movie easily...
Not easily. You almost have to get rid of Kylo in the fighter, the entire Holdo sequence (a positive change), and Leia would have to disappear for no reason for most of the movie. There’s more moving parts here than you think.
@@mistere9099 Well, the part about the TIE fighters simply quitting was nonsense as it was, Leia did dissappear for most of the movie leaving Holdo in charge during the slow speed chase. Scrap the chase, the rebels escape, but are finally caught by the FO by the end of the movie. Kylo kills her when Leia uses her and the cruiser as bait to draw Kylo and the FO away from the resistance. She has to remain on the cruiser since Kylo can sense her through the force and the FO would chase assuming the rebels are still on the ships instead of only Leia... and Rose.
So you’re saying Luke should just appear at the end of TLJ aswell as TFA? Poor Mark... God i feel bad for him for this clusterfnck of a sequel series..
They should have made Luke as much of a badass as they made Vader in Rogue One. He should have blazed up ol' greenie and did a number on Kylo, Knights of Ren, First Order, anyone...instead they cucked him out.
Yah, if they would have made luke a super advanced, ass kicking master jedi it would have been easy to forgive other possible shortcomings in the movie. And you said "blaze up ol' greenie" that cracked me up, good one.
When I first say Leia ducked out of the ship I was in awe and impressed. It was a powerful scene, and mirrored how suddenly Carrie Fischer left us. Then they blew it by making her Mary Poppins, completely nullifying the scene.
They did the same for Fin. They had an opportunity to make him hero, instead they made him the victim of the Overly Attached Girlfriend. You know, the one that rammed him and let the FO blast a hole in the rebel base. They also setup Rey and Kylo joining forces together, to chicken out in the last moment. They've been ruining a lot of setups...
In no particular order: - Chasing away the core fans. - Pushing agenda politics. - Chasing "fans" that cry on Twitter that don't spend money. - Destroying the original characters. - Creating characters that no one wants. - Making low quality toys. - Having NO plan. - Getting the worst possible hack to spearhead this mess. - Letting that imbecile do whatever he wanted with episode 8 - Removing the EU that had forty years of stories in that a lot of people loved. - Attacking and blaming the fans that did not like the movies and calling them every buzz word in the book. - Not honoring Lucas's plan. - Getting people that do not care about the franchise to run it. - BONUS POINTS: Anyone defending Abrams and his calls for diversity don't forget that he positioned his own son to write Spider-Man. Pretty sure a lot of writers of all creeds would have loved to do that but they where not related to him now where they. - Following trends that are proven to FAIL over and over. - Letting staff badmouth fans. - Removing all original characters from the merchandise. - Not understanding the significance of Star Wars. - Not understanding the role Star Wars played in the lives of a lot of it's fans. - Underestimating Star Wars fans by thinking they will take anything with a Star Wars logo. - Taking Star Wars as given.
They want to milk people on nostalgia but won't accept the blame when they've clearly mishandled it. We saw this with the newer Ghostbusters movie and we're seeing it with Terminator Dark Fate. I am sorry, but there were no "agendas" in those older movies. The themes were apolitical for the most part. They were just really cool stories with characters that were interesting because they were well written. Now they're writing these bad characters with a political goal in mind to try and emphasize a certain point with the character. None of the original characters in Star Wars, Ghostbusters, or Terminator were interesting because of their demographic. Characters like Dana Barrett, Winston Zedmore, Sarah Connor, and Lando Calrisssian because they were interesting characters who we grew to like because of their actions and dialogue. It just so happened they were played by actors who were women or black.
@@Hungrydingo "They were just really cool stories with characters that were interesting because they were well written." Mark Hamill to this day on a lot of the original writing: "Who talks like that?" Harrison Ford on the original dialogue: "You can write this stuff, George, but you can't say it."
@@JadeDude1973 it was the worst set up movie I've probably ever seen, it was a one big derailment. Tried to be kind of ep 4, but did all the world building in a worse manner.
As much as i would love that, i would have accepted leiah having to step forward as the last jedi, but they just destroyed the force awakens so horribly it wouldnt matter if carrie were still alive.
I guess canon now is only The Return of the Jedi. Since she only discovered she had force potential near the middle of the movie, we can't be sure of her desire of how to deal with it after the credits rolled. I like to think she would continue doing what she had trained to do - be a diplomat and a leader, but we don't know.
@@exhaustguy agree. I think her focus would be on being a diplomat but that she would be interested in the Force. Just the basics. I don't see her undergo the training Luke had.
@@187onaPigeon She was a total failure as a 'diplomat' and not much better as a war leader, either. She was ridiculous as both. Rey was perfect as both via 'magic' which is even stupider. She was also a failure when it came to the bitter end, she was just destructive.
The Force is Female so Leia is going to use her girl power to implant 3rd wave feminisn into the force which allows Rea to absorb Jedi powers directly into her DNA via social engineering and propaganda. It's not that she is more powerful, Leia just uses the force to brainwash the universe to believe she is.
Colin travarrow got fired before Carrie fishers death. He got fired because he wanted Luke to live through episode 8. Kennedy and him clashed over that story point and he was let go.
At least someone in the movie industry had the decency not to either puppeteer a dead woman with CGI or use her footage in a Plan 9 Bela Lagosi style hack job.
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of The Last Jedi? I thought not. It's not a story George would tell you. It's a Rian legend. The Last Jedi was a dark piece of political and cultural subversion, so powerful and so wise it thought it could use the Franchise to influence the fandom to create everlasting riches… It had such knowledge of the dark side that it could even make the iconic characters they so cared about easily die. The dark, subversive side of the Franchise is a pathway to many narratives some consider to be unnatural. It became so powerfully hated … the only thing it was afraid of was losing money, which eventually, of course, Solo did. Unfortunately, George gave his apprentice everything he created, and then his apprentice killed it in his sleep. Ironic. George spent 40 years breeding a Golden Goose then sold it to a butcher.”
Yeah, I couldn't believe my eyes. She died irl? Be respectful and let her die in the movie too. Don't pull that off. It was a nice death, meaningful to Kylo, it showed us the good within him, it would be "letting the past die" and yadda yadda yadda... But nope.
Actually that could easily have been handled: they sensed the growing darkness in Ben, Luke especially, and agreed that only Luke had a chance of saving him from that path.
Here's my theory: There have been hints that Trevorrow didn't like how Luke was treated in TLJ. When Carrie Fisher died, that pretty much annihilated whatever plans there were for IX, as she was very important to that story, and unlike Abrams he respected Fisher enough not to give her the Lugosi treatment. I think that he suggested that since Leia would be too hard to work into IX in a meaningful way, they just remove Luke's death scene, maybe he even pointed out how that would enrage fans, especially after what was sure to be seen as a controversial depiction of an iconic character, so killing Luke off as an afterthought would be seen like rubbing salt in the fans' fresh, bleeding, open wounds (Which it was). Whatever he wanted to do, Mark Hamil was on board for it. I mean, since Abrams did it for Johnson, Johnson could give Trevorrow the same favor, right? Nope. I think Rian Johnson, who is probably a major sycophant to Kennedy, threw a tantrum at the mere suggestion of changing anything about TLJ and since he's such a suck-up, Kennedy agreed with him. Trevorrow probably argued with them over it until they fired him.
@Nicholas White Time travel is already canon via the Rebels animated series, and even there they foreshadowed it for two years and made it so it could never happen again. Personally I think that's the only course of action, wipe the sequel trilogy away ala Days of Future Past.
And the allegations of Trevorrow's behavior, plus The Book of Henry flopping, were the exact ammo Kennedy needed in order to make his firing look like she was removing a liability.
Been said before, the only way to redeem this stuff is to have Luke wake up in sweat as it was all a dream and start again, but with a writing, directing team who are into Star Wars and use Ben Burrt (the epic sound guy) as they've booted him.
@@SirBlackReeds I find that hilarious, Johnson's behavior is far worse than anything I've seen from Trevorrow, who acknowledges criticism with maturity, unlike Johnson, who comes off like a spoiled, petulant trust fund kid.
Kathleen Kennedy: Rian, I want you to make the most famous Star Wars movie ever! Rian Johnson: That’ll be super easy barely an inconvenience... wait you said infamous, right?
- Force protection from space. - Force life support - Force telekinesis matching up the speed of the cruiser she was blown off because we all tend to forget his thing happened during a 'high speed' chase.
@@andreschion2334 Not saying it was a good writing but your last point doesn't really make since. They are in space so even if she was ejected from the ship she would continue to move as fast as she was on the ship, and if that was at max speed then the ship wouldn't get any further from her.
This seems to confirm Doomcock's leak that the movie was screened for some people and it was a disaster. Of the 3 versions screened, the one with Lucas's version in which a "new" Jedi is introduced was deemed the best of the three.
Even if the secret skywalker "saves" RoS and makes sense for the movie... I fear it is too late already. The trilogy is a mess and, as much as I like Lucas, I dont see how this last minute plot twist can work for the saga. Doomcock s leak makes sense. The KK & JJ version naturally was a disaster that is a sure bet.
I can’t believe it. So they were going to swap Luke for Leia? Leia was the good Skywalker sibling all this time? She was the real “new hope”, not Luke? Talk about feminist agenda. I’m sorry Carrie Fisher died, but I’m happy all of their plans went to the drain.
I know what you mean. As tragic as Carrie Fisher's death was, I can't help but feel like Lucasfilm might have brought some bad mojo/vibes/karma into their lives with their agendas ...
@@2012sonora even before Disney took over, I always told people "the prequels were bad movies but did you really hate them THAT much? I seen the stuff you buy, you LOVE prequel era content. The movies were bad as films, but we ACCEPT and ENJOY what they brought to the franchise." Meanwhile the same really can't be said for the sequals. I think the only aspect people ever accepted was BB8. Fans groan at the idea of Mandalorian tying into the beginnings of the sequel era, but cheered for the original Clone Wars cartoon, loved the commando game, played the heck out of the old republic games and so on. We enjoyed the overall story and world Lucas gave us, we just hated the way he presented it. You are partially right that Lucas needs an editor, but it's wrong to say he is "worthless", if he was truly worthless not even an editor could fix his messes. For an editor to be able to fix something, there needs to be something of good within the mess to present, the editor does not create, he polishes and refines. Lucas was a creator, not a presenter.
The moment when chubby asian denied Finn the moment of glory was also pathetic. And the "hyperspace ramming" by General Pinkhead (keeping core crew uninformed, non-cannon nonsense maneuver- although it looked cool).
When I first heard that there was going to be a sequel trilogy, my first thought was: "They ought to film all three SIMULTANEOUSLY, like Lord of the Rings, 'cause Harrison, Carrie and Mark Ain't getting any younger..." ...I really hate it when I'm right.
Yep. And actually Harrison and Mark are still lookin good. Lucasfilm screwed up royally by killing Han and Luke and trying to save Leia for the big finale. Epic fail. Carrie Fisher never looked in good enough shape to be involved in lots of demanding scenes anyway.
@@Mjade3 If they'd STUCK to the same plan (Be it George's or Kennedy's) with said outline and filmed for a full year starting from the moment the cameras started for TFA, then the outcome would be different.
The greatest failure was never having a Han, Luke, Leia reunion. People need to remember that the only way Harrison Ford would do another movie is if Han was killed off. JJ never wanted an on screen reunion, keep that in mind
@@roguesbackstory3441 She is also credited as supposedly saying (in reference to Disney helming Star Wars): "These f*ckers don't care about the story. All they want is money."
I actually don't mind a lot of the things that happened in the last Jedi it just doesn't make sense as a second film the whole thing just felt rushed. I really wish they could have used the themes but kept the plot line and expanded it more over two stories.
Since The Force Awakens never showed Leia as having any additional force powers, other than sensing Han’s death, the original plan sounds pretty terrible too!
This is probably the best critique I've seen of The Last Jedi I've seen and makes the most sense. I heard someone burst out laughing in the cinema when Carrie Fisher flew back into the ship. It was absurdist comedy in a really unfitting place. People knew Carrie had died and to watch her fly back into the ship felt like a Monty Python sketch. It totally took an emotional farewell and subverted it into a comical scene... she deserved better. And then to kill off Luke afterwards? The film had lots of problems but for me this was the most glaring.
You eloquently and masterfully laid out what has been in the hearts of many: The Last Jedi in light of Carrie Fisher's passing was a tragically missed opportunity.
They ruined it by having her be mary poppins. That blowout scene was very powerful. But no we needed subverted expectations, or crap writing as it's also known.
A grandpa was The Senate and killed four highly trained jedi, so ... yeah, why not? Leia shot her way through the death star and across Endor, she became a jedi knight in Legends, so I would have loved to see her as a jedi on the big screen. But I guess that wouldn't really have worked with her setup as the "cliché motherly general" in VII.
Nejvyn Leia in Last Jedi looks like a great great grandma compared to Palpataine in the prequels. She can hardly move! Besides, grandpa gets killed in return, old people are supposed to get killed off to make way for the new. No way Disney would have killed off Leia.
Train her how?? What Jedi secrets did Leia know...who did she train with? The only real use of her Jedi abilities was her pulling off the mary sue poppins move...so I don't know what the hell they were thinking
Also...I'm sorry to the memory of Carrie Fisher, but she was pretty meh in the sequel movies. I think we know now that was due to her health, but it is what it is. Expanding her role would not have worked, even if she was around to play the part.
@@jdraven0890 Really they should have gone with Mark Hamill. It was a paycheck for the other two (Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher). Nothing wrong with that, but Mark Hamill is actually a fan as well.
@@exhaustguy Amen to that! And it's hard to believe that no one at current leadership at Lucasfilm could see that....except that they had an agenda that Luke barely fit into (except to be torn down and ridiculed).
Yeah, even in the hypothetical scenario where she lived all the way, I feel like her being the main focus of Episode 9 ... well, in theory it could work, but I don't feel like she had the energy or the enthusiasm/investment in the character that Mark Hamill had to have been the one who tied it together. Sadly, now she'll never get her fitting send-off... 😥
It definitely fit their agenda. The final insult to men and Star Wars fans. Switch the role of Leia and Luke by killing Luke. Make wamen the hero of the story with wamen padawan. Oh sure, I always fantasized that Leia, in time, became a Jedi after the republic was secure and her service was no longer required. But 60+ yr old Leia is not what I had in mind. Imagine if a different man had created Star Wars. We'd have those three sequel movies in the early 90s or starting in the late 80s. Han would be MiA of course that's Harrison Ford for you. But we'd have those movies and those scenes of older Luke and Leia running around Jedi'ing inbetween teaching jedi students. A natural, completely different path for Star Wars instead of the gung honess over Anakin Skywalker which only ever happened because he was Darth Vader, and Darth Vader meant more profits. I don't buy it for a second that Anakin Skywalker was George's vision all along. He saw dollar signs and he went after it while he waited for the option of having the sequels to the OT happen when everyone was old because we know he spoke of it way back then to Mark while he was still young. HE at first was like I'm done! You'll see Jesus in the flesh before Episode 7 ha-ha! Then when he changed his mind he realized he didn't want to do it but wanted the saga to continue so he sold it to Disney and was like hey I wrote the movies can you do it and they said YES then fuck you after they paid up. Yeah...
I really don't think that the plan was to have Leia as the last Jedi. There was absolutely no setup in TFA for this and all that TLJ did was reveal that Leia had force powers. The complete lack of build up to this idea in episode 7 and 8 makes me think that they'd simply decided that Leia would be the 'kingmaker'; the last of the original characters who pronounce that Rey was the new hope of the Jedi order. I remember discussing the sequel trilogy with my friends before The Force Awakens dropped. The one who was the biggest SW fan predicted that they'd kill off Han in episode 7, Luke in episode 8 and that Leia would be left in episode 9 to 'hand over the torch' to the next generation of characters. The fact that Leia played such bit parts in TFA and TLJ makes me think that he's probably exactly on the money.
Killing Luke Skywalker off was the final nail in the coffin for me. It was so tragic to lose Carrie Fisher let alone see what they had done with both of their characters.
At the cost of their jobs, it seems. What's worse, they both knew in advance it wouldn't cost them their careers because there's always somebody willing to hire, for some reason, George Lucas's former right hand woman for decades and Rian's small Johnson. So "fuck it!" do whatever WE WANT TO SEE ON SCREEN. Which is really worse than doing what fans want to see on screen rather than doing an unbiased screenplay on screen.
Just imagine the scene with Kylo approaching the bridge of Leia's ship. The camera cuts to Kylo's finger hovering over the button, but he decides not to do it. We then see his wingmen fire on the bridge (as we saw in the film). Now, in my opinion, they should have had the scene where we see Leia's face, but it should have lasted a little longer (perhaps a subtle "Leia" sound clip from Luke), then in a split second, she and everyone else get shot out into space, ensuring no survivors. We cut back to Kylo, as his face becomes contorted into a combination of utter loss and extreme anger. He releases his rage on his wingmen and destroys their ships as he hurtles back to base. I feel this could have shown that Kylo still has light in him (even though he gave in to his anger), and that he does mourn his Mother's death. This would further chip away at his feelings about his cause (The First Order), and his slaying of his Father, Han, and how he feels about Snoke, which would have made Kylo's slaying of Snoke a lot more sensical. Maybe then, we find out Rey is actually a Palpatine, and was hidden so she wouldn't be sought out and killed, and that she ends up turning to the dark side, then her and Kylo battle, and the tables will have been turned. Kylo's character arc would be one of redemption and would serve as a legacy to his parents, and Rey's would be one of the treachery and the allure of the dark side, maybe having to do with her being so powerful so quickly, and also so confident. In my opinion, that would have been a much better direction to go.
Ok, I disagree with Disney, they killed Star Wars, etc, but let's use logic here. Leia, according to the EU, which stuck very close to the characters, exposed it best. Leia knew she could of been as powerful, or more so, than Luke. But she saw more potential in helping rebuild the republic, and letting her brother fill the role himself. She knew it better to let her brother train her kids, since she knew what l ittke training she had time for wasn't enough. She knew they were powerful, and trusted her brother to bring them up. She didn't even fully focus on training herself until she was no longer in charge of the republic. Parents would not make good teachers.
Kevin Street I thought Carrie Fisher went into a coma on a plane before she died. So might not be the best joke if it’s not a typo. Just my opinion though, to each their own.
I agree with the idea that Leia should have died in light of Carrie FIsher's passing. In fact, I would have kept Holdo alive, killed off Adm. Akbar (who would be the one to use the "Holdo Manuever" on Snoke's ship, with his "It's a TRAP!" call), and use Holdo as the "elder stateman" for the Resistance, with Luke's guidance. "You're just a Jedi," Holdo said. "True," Luke replied. "But I was a 'rebel' FIRST. But...the galaxy we'll need us both, if we are to defeat the First Order." And there you go.
Had anyone done videos on why Disney trusted Johnson so much? What did the test audiences think? There had to have been someone who had issues with the film while they were making it.
This would’ve been garbage no matter what. Assassinating the entire character of Luke just to make Leia be _real_ last jedi is insulting to Luke on its own, but also not properly set up to begin with because TFA makes no indication of Leia having recieved any training since RotJ, let alone being a fully-fledged jedi. At the same time, killing Leia off in TLJ, while probably their best option following Carrie’s death, just reinforces how insulting the entire storyline of this trilogy is- Luke, Han and Leia’s sacrifice and hardships were all for naught and they all die at their lowest points because of their son/nephew becoming Anakin 2.0 because Luke almost killed him in his sleep. What a horrific mess.
Amen. Thank you for this. I always wondered why they allowed the one character whose actor had died to remain in the series while the other two where killed of in canon. Pretty short sighted IMO.
Wow. Today I was watching “Pitch Meeting” videos after not seeing them for MONTHS and Midnight’s Edge makes a reference to the series on the same day. That is TIGHT, LOL.
Totally agree, if they had swapped the deaths of Luke and Leia then it would have worked for the rise of Skywalker, but then po wouldn't have had his deep meaningful conversation with Leia in the escape pod or the conversation with luke at the end! It would have stuffed the last Jedi, truth is did it need a death scene? Killing snoke off early was a missed opportunity as he could have as darth plagueas revealed that Palpatine was coming back, luke was to train rey and Leia could have been referred to in episode 9 with some of the deleted scenes. Or Leia could have saved luke by giving her last strength to him so he could survive.
The way Abrams is obviously going to play this is that Luke obeyed Yoda’s final instruction in ROTJ, That redeems Luke for wanting to die in exile after telling Rey that the Force didn’t belong to the Jedi, and that the Jedi needed to end. Because he’d already passed on what he had learned to the Leia; OFFSCREEN; who still had the spark of hope in her. Then Leia completes Rey’s training to let her become the first Skywalker. That’s the asspull they’re going to try to pass off as high-concept artistry. And the fact that they’re going to have to pull it off with scotch tape and paper clips holding Leia’s part together, almost certainly condemns it to fail.
andres fernandez Because Kennedy throughout her rule over Lucasfilms has been constantly clashing heads with directors, because they didn’t followed her vision. Meanwhile Johnson is the ultimate “yes man”, a boot licker, and that is why Kennedy favored him and protected him, allowing Johnson to do as he pleased. Essentially a relationship of a mother spoiling her brat of a child.
I must say you are my favorite person to go to for Sequel Star Wars news. You come across as very informed and levelheaded rather than harnessing fan hate and you treat speculation as speculation. It’s nice
Oh wow a direct response heh, you’re welcome! But I can’t say it enough; I am not the biggest Star Wars fan out there but I do happen to find myself in the TH-cam hole of watching sequel Star Wars videos time and again; and you really are the best out of all of them. Because once you hear the same angry talking points repeat again and again and the same language/terms being used ad nauseam it honestly starts to lose its meaning and feels like angry ranting constantly chasing for the next thing to get mad about. You avoid all that.
I think you are spot-on with your assessment. When I watched TLJ in theatres, I was SHOCKED that she survived. I honestly thought that was going to be her send-off. I wish it were.
The fact that they didn't do the edits you suggested towrds the end shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that nobody gave a rats rump about this franchise.
You need to deny them both money and attention. Don't watch it, period. Watch a couple of in depth TH-cam reviews instead and it'll be like seeing it, only fun and thought-provoking, plus you don't financially support them.
One can only wonder how many billions disney left on the table by not having a true sequel trilogy with the original cast and not pursuing the ill planned passing the torch nonsense.
yeah, srsly. When Leia was blown out to space I was thinking, well... I knew she had to die. Then she flies back to the ship destroying all suspension of disbelief. If they just had her die in some nice honorable way, everything would have worked for me
I would be really surprised if they had that level of planning from the beginning, primarily for three reasons: (1) I remember them making it very clear, before the release of The Force Awakens, that Leia had never had any Jedi training. That she went from failed politician to guerilla general. (2) Us learning that Rian Johnson tossed out all of the story treatments that JJ Abrams prepared. (3) We've heard many rumors that they never had an overarching plan for the Sequels. And they've been behaving like there's never been a plan. So I sincerely doubt them now if they're trying to argue they had any kind of plan all along. Not that I don't believe Tod Fisher, I just think that's what they were brainstorming while TLJ was being filmed.
Only someone completely inept would allow a trilogy to be green lit without a comprehensive plan in place. Looks like we have a complete failure in leadership. The biggest failure in episode 8 is the chronological positioning, it should have been set two or three years after 7 to allow for a natural progression. The first order would have had time to fight a war, Reys training would have made sense etc Leias death/injury should have been the catalyst for Luke and Rey to return to the fold.
Definitely sounds like the plan was to take the "The Force Is Female" route even though it wouldnt make sense for Rey to be trained by an elderly princess/general who spent most of her life without any Force ability whatsoever. Kathleen and Rian were made for each other. They've both ruined the franchise when by all means it should be as popular as ever today.
If that was the plan the entire time to make Leia the last Jedi by the movies end, then why not make her a trained Jedi in TFA???? This narrative makes no sense! There WAS no plan or trilogy arch in this shit sequel saga! It was just a "telephone story game" where the first guy starts the story, the next guy tells whatever then he wants, and then the last person finishes with their version! Stop trying to make this seemed like it was planned at all!
There is a problem when Family Guy gives a more respectful and heartfelt tribute to Carrie Fisher than Lucasfilm.
Disney, Roundhead and KK don't know the meaning of respectful.
What episode? Is the scene on youtube?
@@jaketheberge1970 th-cam.com/video/DC_4YtMio2g/w-d-xo.html
Fool. Carried fisher killed herself addicted to drugs.
Leia is a great SW character.
Carrier fisher was a actress.
Superman is a great DC hero.
Christopher Reeves is an actor.
Hulk is a great Marvel hero.
Lou Ferrigno, Eric Banner, Ed Norton, Mark Ruffalo ... as all actors.
Dumbass.
@@abelincoln8885 She was still a person who deserves basic human respect. Take your hatred and begone.
After leaving the theater on TLJ's opening night, I told my friends that it was a huge mistake to keep Leia alive for the next film. They had the perfect opportunity to change up the script and they had plenty of time to do reshoots.
This trilogy is a remarkable example of absolutely stunning incompetence by directors, producers and writers.
Yes. I think that was the general feeling after Ep8, there was nowhere to go in the next episode. Both with Leia and the rest of the characters.
It's like, from the moment they bought the franchise, Disney/Lucasfilm preceded to make every single decision the wrong one.
It's like a mandelbrot zoom of terrible decision making.
In other words, it's a shit show.
It's going to be fun seeing how they explain how Leia, one of the most important character in the resistance right now is just absent 99% of the time.
Same here. that grace note with the kid bringing the broom to him with the force felt more like an ending than a cliff hanger to clear the path for a sequel
One of the biggest mistakes in cinema history: Not reuniting Han, Leia and Luke!!
M T - Agreed
Truth
Such a missed opportunity with the OT cast.
The production equivalent of deliberately shooting yourself in the foot, then shooting the other so everything is balanced in how bad things are.
And instead of a reunion, having Han die in front of Rey and Finn, people he literally just met so there was no emotion behind his death scene.
They shot themselves in the foot, face, heart, arm, and ass. Then reloaded.
Lol
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Dead on
Or, they'll doom the franchise into 7 years of darkness..
then managed to crap down their own necks
Leia's death would have been the perfect reason to bring Luke out of the shadows, and her death could have been moved to the end of the movie easily...
Not easily. You almost have to get rid of Kylo in the fighter, the entire Holdo sequence (a positive change), and Leia would have to disappear for no reason for most of the movie. There’s more moving parts here than you think.
@@mistere9099 I mean they could've just had leia die when kylo attacked the ship
@@mistere9099 Well, the part about the TIE fighters simply quitting was nonsense as it was, Leia did dissappear for most of the movie leaving Holdo in charge during the slow speed chase.
Scrap the chase, the rebels escape, but are finally caught by the FO by the end of the movie.
Kylo kills her when Leia uses her and the cruiser as bait to draw Kylo and the FO away from the resistance. She has to remain on the cruiser since Kylo can sense her through the force and the FO would chase assuming the rebels are still on the ships instead of only Leia... and Rose.
She'll always be our 👸 Princess❤ ❤ ❤!
So you’re saying Luke should just appear at the end of TLJ aswell as TFA? Poor Mark... God i feel bad for him for this clusterfnck of a sequel series..
They should have made Luke as much of a badass as they made Vader in Rogue One. He should have blazed up ol' greenie and did a number on Kylo, Knights of Ren, First Order, anyone...instead they cucked him out.
Yah, if they would have made luke a super advanced, ass kicking master jedi it would have been easy to forgive other possible shortcomings in the movie.
And you said "blaze up ol' greenie" that cracked me up, good one.
Rogue One and Solo have no right to be as enjoyable as they are having been made under KK's Reich.
@@largetea8475 Only Rouge one was good, Jin was no Mary Sue
well it's not like Luke was some weak pussy, he was Jedi mind fighting against a machine bombarding him. Never seen as much as powerful a Jedi before.
the only problem with that is that everything in rogue one was pathethic and embarassing
When I first say Leia ducked out of the ship I was in awe and impressed. It was a powerful scene, and mirrored how suddenly Carrie Fischer left us.
Then they blew it by making her Mary Poppins, completely nullifying the scene.
Exactly. They had their perfect, emotional exit. Then they blew it.
Leaving Akbar's corpse to drift off into the stars.
They did the same for Fin. They had an opportunity to make him hero, instead they made him the victim of the Overly Attached Girlfriend. You know, the one that rammed him and let the FO blast a hole in the rebel base.
They also setup Rey and Kylo joining forces together, to chicken out in the last moment.
They've been ruining a lot of setups...
@@ИванСнежков-з9й Rammed him...oh my gosh the symbolism!
@@rcordiner Ocean Man, take me by the hand...
How the Hell is Leia going to train someone more powerful than herself? She had no training either.
Girl power
Vagina POWAH!!1
The vag is stronk. No need for petty things like training and experience...
It's possible if they showed her helping Rey unlock her full potential....until they made Rey defeat Kaylo with little training and I just zoned out.
Puss puss power!
In no particular order:
- Chasing away the core fans.
- Pushing agenda politics.
- Chasing "fans" that cry on Twitter that don't spend money.
- Destroying the original characters.
- Creating characters that no one wants.
- Making low quality toys.
- Having NO plan.
- Getting the worst possible hack to spearhead this mess.
- Letting that imbecile do whatever he wanted with episode 8
- Removing the EU that had forty years of stories in that a lot of people loved.
- Attacking and blaming the fans that did not like the movies and calling them every buzz word in the book.
- Not honoring Lucas's plan.
- Getting people that do not care about the franchise to run it.
- BONUS POINTS: Anyone defending Abrams and his calls for diversity don't forget that he positioned his own son to write Spider-Man. Pretty sure a lot of writers of all creeds would have loved to do that but they where not related to him now where they.
- Following trends that are proven to FAIL over and over.
- Letting staff badmouth fans.
- Removing all original characters from the merchandise.
- Not understanding the significance of Star Wars.
- Not understanding the role Star Wars played in the lives of a lot of it's fans.
- Underestimating Star Wars fans by thinking they will take anything with a Star Wars logo.
- Taking Star Wars as given.
Add - Corporate failures at the highest levels of management.
Well said. Boycotting ep9 I am.
Also add: giving the exclusive license to make video games to the most hated publisher in the industry.
They want to milk people on nostalgia but won't accept the blame when they've clearly mishandled it. We saw this with the newer Ghostbusters movie and we're seeing it with Terminator Dark Fate. I am sorry, but there were no "agendas" in those older movies. The themes were apolitical for the most part. They were just really cool stories with characters that were interesting because they were well written. Now they're writing these bad characters with a political goal in mind to try and emphasize a certain point with the character. None of the original characters in Star Wars, Ghostbusters, or Terminator were interesting because of their demographic. Characters like Dana Barrett, Winston Zedmore, Sarah Connor, and Lando Calrisssian because they were interesting characters who we grew to like because of their actions and dialogue. It just so happened they were played by actors who were women or black.
@@Hungrydingo "They were just really cool stories with characters that were interesting because they were well written."
Mark Hamill to this day on a lot of the original writing: "Who talks like that?"
Harrison Ford on the original dialogue: "You can write this stuff, George, but you can't say it."
The fact that JJ said TLJ didn't really derail anything should worry us all tremendously.
@Robert Anthony Yeadon JJ is responsible for plenty of derailing in The Force Awakens let alone worrying about TLJ and it's many rotten curve balls.
Good point lol
@@cinemar I don't know if TFA derailed, it mostly regurgitated.
@@JadeDude1973 It derailed plenty. it killed of Han and turned Luke into an extra standing on a cliff.
@@JadeDude1973 it was the worst set up movie I've probably ever seen, it was a one big derailment. Tried to be kind of ep 4, but did all the world building in a worse manner.
I think most fans wanted to see Luke do serious badassery. He should have been the last and greatest Jedi.
If he's the last Jedi then sooner or later the Sith will return and have nobody to stop them dominating the galaxy.
@@darthkek1953 nothing wrong with that. Empire in legends did nothing wrong
As much as i would love that, i would have accepted leiah having to step forward as the last jedi, but they just destroyed the force awakens so horribly it wouldnt matter if carrie were still alive.
Oh plz, go back to playing video games
@@herohour6496 uh who ya talking about?
Leia has never shown any interest in being a Jedi. Give me a break.
I guess canon now is only The Return of the Jedi. Since she only discovered she had force potential near the middle of the movie, we can't be sure of her desire of how to deal with it after the credits rolled. I like to think she would continue doing what she had trained to do - be a diplomat and a leader, but we don't know.
@@exhaustguy agree. I think her focus would be on being a diplomat but that she would be interested in the Force. Just the basics. I don't see her undergo the training Luke had.
@@187onaPigeon She was a total failure as a 'diplomat' and not much better as a war leader, either. She was ridiculous as both. Rey was perfect as both via 'magic' which is even stupider. She was also a failure when it came to the bitter end, she was just destructive.
The Force is Female so Leia is going to use her girl power to implant 3rd wave feminisn into the force which allows Rea to absorb Jedi powers directly into her DNA via social engineering and propaganda. It's not that she is more powerful, Leia just uses the force to brainwash the universe to believe she is.
@Sweet TulipsI think you're on to something, great idea. Is that why they're reshooting a bunch of scenes?
Colin travarrow got fired before Carrie fishers death. He got fired because he wanted Luke to live through episode 8. Kennedy and him clashed over that story point and he was let go.
At least someone in the movie industry had the decency not to either puppeteer a dead woman with CGI or use her footage in a Plan 9 Bela Lagosi style hack job.
@@fattiger6957 if that is the case this guy would actually be good to SW saga as director role.
You sure? The sources I've seen said he was fired in September of 2017, and Fisher died in December of 2016.
Even more disgusting is that killing Carrie Fisher was also KK's idea. She is way worse than you thought.
@@lordofentropy ?!? Huh
“Have you ever heard of Darth Kennedy the inept???? , she had such knowledge of the SJW”
No? I am not surprised, it is not a story that Disney would tell you.
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of The Last Jedi? I thought not. It's not
a story George would tell you. It's a Rian legend. The Last Jedi was a
dark piece of political and cultural subversion, so powerful and so wise
it thought it could use the Franchise to influence the fandom to create
everlasting riches… It had such knowledge of the dark side that it
could even make the iconic characters they so cared about easily die.
The dark, subversive side of the Franchise is a pathway to many
narratives some consider to be unnatural. It became so powerfully hated …
the only thing it was afraid of was losing money, which eventually, of
course, Solo did. Unfortunately, George gave his apprentice everything
he created, and then his apprentice killed it in his sleep. Ironic.
George spent 40 years breeding a Golden Goose then sold it to a
butcher.”
@@Taojas Spot On!!! you nailed it perfectly!
Or the trajedy of Darth Rian, the Roundhead.
Look up incompetence in dictionary and you'll see KK's picture 😒 vile woman
Colin Trevorrow didn't want Luke Skywalker dying in VIII, that's been reported.
Neither did Luke
neither did anyone else
No one did except Kennedy and Johnson.
Because he has common sense. But not lucasfilm.
@@RickeyPendarvis And Jar-Jar Abrams certainly didn't have any qualms about it.
Leia’s Mary Poppins scene was embarrassing to watch, so many people I've seen that scene with just laugh when it comes on, it really does look absurd.
This is what happened in the theatre when I saw it. People laughed.
@@DolemiteGK I honestly thought it was added in post production as a cheap fake out......
Yeah, I couldn't believe my eyes. She died irl? Be respectful and let her die in the movie too. Don't pull that off. It was a nice death, meaningful to Kylo, it showed us the good within him, it would be "letting the past die" and yadda yadda yadda... But nope.
Kevin Edward I straight up walked out at that point. I only saw the rest of the movie via pirating it.
So if Leia was the last Jedi, why didn't she train her son Kylo instead of sending him off to Luke? Lol
Dang, excellent point!
Actually that could easily have been handled: they sensed the growing darkness in Ben, Luke especially, and agreed that only Luke had a chance of saving him from that path.
I just posted a similar comment but added, why did they need Luke at all? If she's a Jedi then she can take on kylo and Snoke.
Nicholas White- hence Kill Bill, Aliens, Terminator. These movies have no agenda, just damn good stories that happen to have a female lead.
@Nicholas White
Also Terminator , Black Widow (hopefully they don't screw up her movie) , Underworld, Hermione and many other female characters.
Leia training Rey: Leia, "Your 1st lesson is..." Rey "I already know that, somehow I already know everything" Leia " but can you Mary Poppins......."
Rey" I already Mary Sue"
Here's my theory: There have been hints that Trevorrow didn't like how Luke was treated in TLJ. When Carrie Fisher died, that pretty much annihilated whatever plans there were for IX, as she was very important to that story, and unlike Abrams he respected Fisher enough not to give her the Lugosi treatment.
I think that he suggested that since Leia would be too hard to work into IX in a meaningful way, they just remove Luke's death scene, maybe he even pointed out how that would enrage fans, especially after what was sure to be seen as a controversial depiction of an iconic character, so killing Luke off as an afterthought would be seen like rubbing salt in the fans' fresh, bleeding, open wounds (Which it was). Whatever he wanted to do, Mark Hamil was on board for it. I mean, since Abrams did it for Johnson, Johnson could give Trevorrow the same favor, right?
Nope. I think Rian Johnson, who is probably a major sycophant to Kennedy, threw a tantrum at the mere suggestion of changing anything about TLJ and since he's such a suck-up, Kennedy agreed with him.
Trevorrow probably argued with them over it until they fired him.
@Nicholas White Time travel is already canon via the Rebels animated series, and even there they foreshadowed it for two years and made it so it could never happen again. Personally I think that's the only course of action, wipe the sequel trilogy away ala Days of Future Past.
Repeating the time travel comment. There is only do.
And the allegations of Trevorrow's behavior, plus The Book of Henry flopping, were the exact ammo Kennedy needed in order to make his firing look like she was removing a liability.
Been said before, the only way to redeem this stuff is to have Luke wake up in sweat as it was all a dream and start again, but with a writing, directing team who are into Star Wars and use Ben Burrt (the epic sound guy) as they've booted him.
@@SirBlackReeds I find that hilarious, Johnson's behavior is far worse than anything I've seen from Trevorrow, who acknowledges criticism with maturity, unlike Johnson, who comes off like a spoiled, petulant trust fund kid.
I don't care if it is Luke training her or Leia training her
Three movies about training Rey to become a Jedi... What an uninspired story.
They made her too overpowered in 1'st movie, now need 2 more movies for training montage...
The term "comedy of errors" comes to mind.
Could even be an error of comedy at this point
We laugh to cover up how much it hurts.
The phrase "I thought it was a comedy but it was a tragedy all along" come to mind.
Kathleen Kennedy: Rian, I want you to make the most famous Star Wars movie ever!
Rian Johnson: That’ll be super easy barely an inconvenience... wait you said infamous, right?
He portrayed Leia’s force powers in the most ridiculous way possible.
Rain Johnson: Let me show you just how stupid “powerful” can truly look like!
Leia poppins!
- Force protection from space.
- Force life support
- Force telekinesis matching up the speed of the cruiser she was blown off because we all tend to forget his thing happened during a 'high speed' chase.
@@andreschion2334 Not saying it was a good writing but your last point doesn't really make since. They are in space so even if she was ejected from the ship she would continue to move as fast as she was on the ship, and if that was at max speed then the ship wouldn't get any further from her.
I'm mary poppins y'all
This seems to confirm Doomcock's leak that the movie was screened for some people and it was a disaster. Of the 3 versions screened, the one with Lucas's version in which a "new" Jedi is introduced was deemed the best of the three.
Even if the secret skywalker "saves" RoS and makes sense for the movie... I fear it is too late already. The trilogy is a mess and, as much as I like Lucas, I dont see how this last minute plot twist can work for the saga.
Doomcock s leak makes sense. The KK & JJ version naturally was a disaster that is a sure bet.
An ultimate deus ex machina. That sounds terrible.
Hopefully the Episode 7 8 and 9 are rebooted or decanonized by Bob Iger when this dumpster fire ends. Oh and fire KK!
@@TheDifferenced It can all be saved by having Luke Skywalker wake up at the end of 9 and revealing the whole thing as a bad dream :D
@@nighttrain1236 while I would love that they wasted to much money now so saying this Trillogy is not cannon will be a waste of money.
I can’t believe it. So they were going to swap Luke for Leia? Leia was the good Skywalker sibling all this time? She was the real “new hope”, not Luke? Talk about feminist agenda. I’m sorry Carrie Fisher died, but I’m happy all of their plans went to the drain.
I know what you mean.
As tragic as Carrie Fisher's death was, I can't help but feel like Lucasfilm might have brought some bad mojo/vibes/karma into their lives with their agendas ...
@El-ahrairah noone that likes the prequels wanted george lucas to have complete creative control
@@2012sonora even before Disney took over, I always told people "the prequels were bad movies but did you really hate them THAT much? I seen the stuff you buy, you LOVE prequel era content. The movies were bad as films, but we ACCEPT and ENJOY what they brought to the franchise."
Meanwhile the same really can't be said for the sequals. I think the only aspect people ever accepted was BB8. Fans groan at the idea of Mandalorian tying into the beginnings of the sequel era, but cheered for the original Clone Wars cartoon, loved the commando game, played the heck out of the old republic games and so on.
We enjoyed the overall story and world Lucas gave us, we just hated the way he presented it. You are partially right that Lucas needs an editor, but it's wrong to say he is "worthless", if he was truly worthless not even an editor could fix his messes. For an editor to be able to fix something, there needs to be something of good within the mess to present, the editor does not create, he polishes and refines. Lucas was a creator, not a presenter.
Every time I see Leia flying through space I feel sick to my stomach. What a travesty.
Mary freggen poppins
I honestly hope episode 9 is a flop for Disney.
It has no other choice
Phantom ticket sales. It will not be flop. They cannot afford for it to be a flop.
@@SupDave Disney is now going woke and thus, doomed to go broke.
Then we dont get more star wars. Being vindictive gets us nowhere
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The Mary Poppins scene was the worst and most disrespectful scene in cinematic history
The moment when chubby asian denied Finn the moment of glory was also pathetic. And the "hyperspace ramming" by General Pinkhead (keeping core crew uninformed, non-cannon nonsense maneuver- although it looked cool).
Luke drinking Sea Monster Jizz (Milk)
When I first heard that there was going to be a sequel trilogy, my first thought was: "They ought to film all three SIMULTANEOUSLY, like Lord of the Rings, 'cause Harrison, Carrie and Mark Ain't getting any younger..." ...I really hate it when I'm right.
Yep. And actually Harrison and Mark are still lookin good. Lucasfilm screwed up royally by killing Han and Luke and trying to save Leia for the big finale. Epic fail. Carrie Fisher never looked in good enough shape to be involved in lots of demanding scenes anyway.
They would have needed a story outline for the trilogy to film simultaneously. Which we all know led us to this Star Wars Titanic.
@@Mjade3 If they'd STUCK to the same plan (Be it George's or Kennedy's) with said outline and filmed for a full year starting from the moment the cameras started for TFA, then the outcome would be different.
The greatest failure was never having a Han, Luke, Leia reunion. People need to remember that the only way Harrison Ford would do another movie is if Han was killed off. JJ never wanted an on screen reunion, keep that in mind
Somewhere in the great beyond, Carrie Fisher is shouting: "I'm Mary Poppins, y'all!"
Also Carrie Fisher is saying Rian Johnson is an Asshole. th-cam.com/video/xNqGUD_CJb0/w-d-xo.html
Omg...lol
@@Clock_70 I laughed when I read this.
I loved the carrie fisher shouting!!!😂
@@roguesbackstory3441 She is also credited as supposedly saying (in reference to Disney helming Star Wars): "These f*ckers don't care about the story. All they want is money."
"Super easy, barely an inconvenience."
Someone watches Screen Rant Pitch Meeting. 😁
Referencing Pitch Meetings is tight!
@@MaJuV Yeah yeah yeah!
KK couldn't have a white man save anything, let alone A Star wars movie.
As bad as KK is, she was hand-picked by George Lucas to take over his creation
@@gc3k George is know to make mistakes. This is one of them.
@@gc3k ya, and she betrayed him and his trust that she would take care of his creation.
I actually don't mind a lot of the things that happened in the last Jedi it just doesn't make sense as a second film the whole thing just felt rushed. I really wish they could have used the themes but kept the plot line and expanded it more over two stories.
@@gc3k Humans make mistakes picking partners all the time.
Palpatine : Have I ever told you about Darth Kennedy the UNwise.....
Since The Force Awakens never showed Leia as having any additional force powers, other than sensing Han’s death, the original plan sounds pretty terrible too!
This is probably the best critique I've seen of The Last Jedi I've seen and makes the most sense.
I heard someone burst out laughing in the cinema when Carrie Fisher flew back into the ship. It was absurdist comedy in a really unfitting place.
People knew Carrie had died and to watch her fly back into the ship felt like a Monty Python sketch.
It totally took an emotional farewell and subverted it into a comical scene... she deserved better.
And then to kill off Luke afterwards?
The film had lots of problems but for me this was the most glaring.
"Kathleen Kennedy! You have failed this Franchise."
If this was The Apprentice, we know what Lord Sugar would do...
For the *last* time.
Even Darth Vader's response to her failures?
You eloquently and masterfully laid out what has been in the hearts of many: The Last Jedi in light of Carrie Fisher's passing was a tragically missed opportunity.
The whole trilogy is a tragically missed opportunity. And that chance is gone, now.
@@ElectromagNick Indeed :( Womp womp. Time to make the most of what is left.
They ruined it by having her be mary poppins. That blowout scene was very powerful. But no we needed subverted expectations, or crap writing as it's also known.
A grandma was supposed to be “the last Jedi” ??!!
A grandpa was The Senate and killed four highly trained jedi, so ... yeah, why not?
Leia shot her way through the death star and across Endor, she became a jedi knight in Legends, so I would have loved to see her as a jedi on the big screen.
But I guess that wouldn't really have worked with her setup as the "cliché motherly general" in VII.
Nejvyn Leia in Last Jedi looks like a great great grandma compared to Palpataine in the prequels. She can hardly move!
Besides, grandpa gets killed in return, old people are supposed to get killed off to make way for the new.
No way Disney would have killed off Leia.
Train her how?? What Jedi secrets did Leia know...who did she train with? The only real use of her Jedi abilities was her pulling off the mary sue poppins move...so I don't know what the hell they were thinking
Also...I'm sorry to the memory of Carrie Fisher, but she was pretty meh in the sequel movies. I think we know now that was due to her health, but it is what it is. Expanding her role would not have worked, even if she was around to play the part.
At this point I don't even care, the trilogy is a shit show.
@@jdraven0890 Really they should have gone with Mark Hamill. It was a paycheck for the other two (Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher). Nothing wrong with that, but Mark Hamill is actually a fan as well.
@@exhaustguy Amen to that! And it's hard to believe that no one at current leadership at Lucasfilm could see that....except that they had an agenda that Luke barely fit into (except to be torn down and ridiculed).
@@exhaustguy
I know Harrison Ford agreed to be just in TFA, but I didn't hear a similar thing about Carrie Fisher, so I don't get your claim.
This seems less like "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" and more like "shoving victory down the throat of defeat".
Oh nice one!
More like throwing it down a sarlacc pit.
Damn, I wish I had thought of that!
Leia was going to be the last Jedi?
Whoa, talk about betting on the wrong horse...
Yeah, even in the hypothetical scenario where she lived all the way, I feel like her being the main focus of Episode 9 ... well, in theory it could work, but I don't feel like she had the energy or the enthusiasm/investment in the character that Mark Hamill had to have been the one who tied it together.
Sadly, now she'll never get her fitting send-off... 😥
It definitely fit their agenda. The final insult to men and Star Wars fans. Switch the role of Leia and Luke by killing Luke. Make wamen the hero of the story with wamen padawan. Oh sure, I always fantasized that Leia, in time, became a Jedi after the republic was secure and her service was no longer required. But 60+ yr old Leia is not what I had in mind. Imagine if a different man had created Star Wars. We'd have those three sequel movies in the early 90s or starting in the late 80s. Han would be MiA of course that's Harrison Ford for you. But we'd have those movies and those scenes of older Luke and Leia running around Jedi'ing inbetween teaching jedi students. A natural, completely different path for Star Wars instead of the gung honess over Anakin Skywalker which only ever happened because he was Darth Vader, and Darth Vader meant more profits. I don't buy it for a second that Anakin Skywalker was George's vision all along. He saw dollar signs and he went after it while he waited for the option of having the sequels to the OT happen when everyone was old because we know he spoke of it way back then to Mark while he was still young. HE at first was like I'm done! You'll see Jesus in the flesh before Episode 7 ha-ha! Then when he changed his mind he realized he didn't want to do it but wanted the saga to continue so he sold it to Disney and was like hey I wrote the movies can you do it and they said YES then fuck you after they paid up. Yeah...
@@arandompasserby7940
Could have been a partnership with force ghost Luke I suppose.
I really don't think that the plan was to have Leia as the last Jedi. There was absolutely no setup in TFA for this and all that TLJ did was reveal that Leia had force powers. The complete lack of build up to this idea in episode 7 and 8 makes me think that they'd simply decided that Leia would be the 'kingmaker'; the last of the original characters who pronounce that Rey was the new hope of the Jedi order.
I remember discussing the sequel trilogy with my friends before The Force Awakens dropped. The one who was the biggest SW fan predicted that they'd kill off Han in episode 7, Luke in episode 8 and that Leia would be left in episode 9 to 'hand over the torch' to the next generation of characters. The fact that Leia played such bit parts in TFA and TLJ makes me think that he's probably exactly on the money.
Disney's greatest star wars mistake: they started making star wars films.
Back in the day when Disney bought Star Wars and we all were like: "Oh no, the next movie will feature Darth Mickey, haha ..."
Innocent times ...
@@Nejvyn yeah, back then we had no idea that would be the better movie.
Remember when they said they wouldn't hurt Carrie Fisher's legacy by CGIing her into stuff?
They’re not doing CGI Leia are they?
No digital necromancy is too much for DisLF...
They said they wouldn't CGI her like they did for Governor Tarkin. All that footage is Carrie. Not another actress. That's respectful.
Nicholas White She is, but they are using footage they ended up not using in both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi to have her appear in the movie.
Killing Luke Skywalker off was the final nail in the coffin for me. It was so tragic to lose Carrie Fisher let alone see what they had done with both of their characters.
Quoting your favorite TH-cam channel is TIGHT!
oh, we like that, very cool
Wow, wow wow wow
Putting in a reference is super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Well okay then
Ha Ha I loved hearing that reference. Those Pitch Meeting videos are hilarious.
JJ has never, ever, stuck a landing in his entire carrier.
Johnson and Kennedy were going to get their woke Star Wars at any cost.
Star Wars Episode 9: Return of the Holdo
At the cost of their jobs, it seems. What's worse, they both knew in advance it wouldn't cost them their careers because there's always somebody willing to hire, for some reason, George Lucas's former right hand woman for decades and Rian's small Johnson. So "fuck it!" do whatever WE WANT TO SEE ON SCREEN. Which is really worse than doing what fans want to see on screen rather than doing an unbiased screenplay on screen.
And they did ....
Woke = up in smoke.
Just imagine the scene with Kylo approaching the bridge of Leia's ship. The camera cuts to Kylo's finger hovering over the button, but he decides not to do it. We then see his wingmen fire on the bridge (as we saw in the film). Now, in my opinion, they should have had the scene where we see Leia's face, but it should have lasted a little longer (perhaps a subtle "Leia" sound clip from Luke), then in a split second, she and everyone else get shot out into space, ensuring no survivors. We cut back to Kylo, as his face becomes contorted into a combination of utter loss and extreme anger. He releases his rage on his wingmen and destroys their ships as he hurtles back to base.
I feel this could have shown that Kylo still has light in him (even though he gave in to his anger), and that he does mourn his Mother's death. This would further chip away at his feelings about his cause (The First Order), and his slaying of his Father, Han, and how he feels about Snoke, which would have made Kylo's slaying of Snoke a lot more sensical.
Maybe then, we find out Rey is actually a Palpatine, and was hidden so she wouldn't be sought out and killed, and that she ends up turning to the dark side, then her and Kylo battle, and the tables will have been turned. Kylo's character arc would be one of redemption and would serve as a legacy to his parents, and Rey's would be one of the treachery and the allure of the dark side, maybe having to do with her being so powerful so quickly, and also so confident.
In my opinion, that would have been a much better direction to go.
Telling fans to “let go” of $4billion worth of intellectual property is certainly a “mistake”
Time to sell 8t back for 50 bucks
Colin Trevorrow was fired because of creative differences. He wanted Snoke and Luke both alive in episode 9.
@Nice Try Oh, he was fired in September 2017, before the Last Jedi was released into cinemas. Check the facts first!
After hearing this it just makes me even more disappointed in Disney star wars. They easily couldve avoided the situation they're in now.
Leia is the bestest evah....but refused to train her own son??????
Ok, I disagree with Disney, they killed Star Wars, etc, but let's use logic here. Leia, according to the EU, which stuck very close to the characters, exposed it best. Leia knew she could of been as powerful, or more so, than Luke. But she saw more potential in helping rebuild the republic, and letting her brother fill the role himself. She knew it better to let her brother train her kids, since she knew what l ittke training she had time for wasn't enough. She knew they were powerful, and trusted her brother to bring them up. She didn't even fully focus on training herself until she was no longer in charge of the republic.
Parents would not make good teachers.
9:30 "Doing something like that would have been super easy. Barely an inconvenience".
I love how these Screen Rant memes are spreading around.
Screen Rant memes are tight
Ryan George memes you mean. Screen rant is a massive dumpster fire.
@@Pauly421 you're right in that one Whoops!
@@Pauly421, If he is the one that writes and plays "Pitch Meeting", then YES.
And yes, the rest of the Screen Rant is.. meh.
@@franciscomalavet8375 Whoopsie!
"the force is female" image.
Look like KK wanted to get rid of all the good men...
Michael Eric Menk she's Rule 63!Hitler
Did the title card say “best laid planes”?
Lol yes might be a typo
That's the joke.
Kevin Street I thought Carrie Fisher went into a coma on a plane before she died. So might not be the best joke if it’s not a typo. Just my opinion though, to each their own.
That never occurred to me, but you're right. Pretty sure it was unintentional, but yeah...
I agree with the idea that Leia should have died in light of Carrie FIsher's passing. In fact, I would have kept Holdo alive, killed off Adm. Akbar (who would be the one to use the "Holdo Manuever" on Snoke's ship, with his "It's a TRAP!" call), and use Holdo as the "elder stateman" for the Resistance, with Luke's guidance. "You're just a Jedi," Holdo said. "True," Luke replied. "But I was a 'rebel' FIRST. But...the galaxy we'll need us both, if we are to defeat the First Order." And there you go.
Had anyone done videos on why Disney trusted Johnson so much? What did the test audiences think?
There had to have been someone who had issues with the film while they were making it.
Women good, man bad. That's all Kathleen needs
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This would’ve been garbage no matter what. Assassinating the entire character of Luke just to make Leia be _real_ last jedi is insulting to Luke on its own, but also not properly set up to begin with because TFA makes no indication of Leia having recieved any training since RotJ, let alone being a fully-fledged jedi.
At the same time, killing Leia off in TLJ, while probably their best option following Carrie’s death, just reinforces how insulting the entire storyline of this trilogy is- Luke, Han and Leia’s sacrifice and hardships were all for naught and they all die at their lowest points because of their son/nephew becoming Anakin 2.0 because Luke almost killed him in his sleep.
What a horrific mess.
Always fun to see a video of you guys. I keep learning a lot from you guys.
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There's was no need to kill Luke, He still could have done his astral projection fight scene and lived and that way he could still be in episode 9...
These are awful people who are not particularly creative. I don't know why I keep watching them fail horribly.
Amen. Thank you for this. I always wondered why they allowed the one character whose actor had died to remain in the series while the other two where killed of in canon. Pretty short sighted IMO.
You're under the impression the girls at Lucasfilm do NOT hate Luke Skywalker.
Robert Iger's book should be entitled: "The Star Wars Disaster of a lifetime".
Wow. Today I was watching “Pitch Meeting” videos after not seeing them for MONTHS and Midnight’s Edge makes a reference to the series on the same day. That is TIGHT, LOL.
Totally agree, if they had swapped the deaths of Luke and Leia then it would have worked for the rise of Skywalker, but then po wouldn't have had his deep meaningful conversation with Leia in the escape pod or the conversation with luke at the end! It would have stuffed the last Jedi, truth is did it need a death scene?
Killing snoke off early was a missed opportunity as he could have as darth plagueas revealed that Palpatine was coming back, luke was to train rey and Leia could have been referred to in episode 9 with some of the deleted scenes.
Or Leia could have saved luke by giving her last strength to him so he could survive.
As Lord Doomcock says "Without Respect We Reject".
I personally dont think Leia spontaneously being a Super Omega level Jedi makes any sense or makes for a good story.
The way Abrams is obviously going to play this is that Luke obeyed Yoda’s final instruction in ROTJ,
That redeems Luke for wanting to die in exile after telling Rey that the Force didn’t belong to the Jedi, and that the Jedi needed to end.
Because he’d already passed on what he had learned to the Leia; OFFSCREEN; who still had the spark of hope in her. Then Leia completes Rey’s training to let her become the first Skywalker.
That’s the asspull they’re going to try to pass off as high-concept artistry. And the fact that they’re going to have to pull it off with scotch tape and paper clips holding Leia’s part together, almost certainly condemns it to fail.
"Subverting Expectations" has an 80% chance of not working
Unbelievable, how KK let herself be 'seduced' by Rían Sweet talking
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Because Kennedy throughout her rule over Lucasfilms has been constantly clashing heads with directors, because they didn’t followed her vision. Meanwhile Johnson is the ultimate “yes man”, a boot licker, and that is why Kennedy favored him and protected him, allowing Johnson to do as he pleased.
Essentially a relationship of a mother spoiling her brat of a child.
@@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854 - Johnson probably had 2 broken arms too.
She's a strong independent woman! Which most likely means she's desperately seeking Male attention.
She was seduced by the Dork side of the Farce
More like Ruin was cucked into it by a promise of a trilogy and flash of side boob
Leia training Rey is also a bad idea. Leia is not a jedi.
Star wars episode 8,the last feminist.
Star Wars Episode 9: Return of the Holdo
I find it hilarious that there was a Star Wars ad right before this video
I must say you are my favorite person to go to for Sequel Star Wars news. You come across as very informed and levelheaded rather than harnessing fan hate and you treat speculation as speculation. It’s nice
Thanks, I try my best!
Oh wow a direct response heh, you’re welcome! But I can’t say it enough; I am not the biggest Star Wars fan out there but I do happen to find myself in the TH-cam hole of watching sequel Star Wars videos time and again; and you really are the best out of all of them. Because once you hear the same angry talking points repeat again and again and the same language/terms being used ad nauseam it honestly starts to lose its meaning and feels like angry ranting constantly chasing for the next thing to get mad about. You avoid all that.
Rey would have trained Leia since she is a natural jedi master.
At Disney, women first, always. No matter the cost.
I think you are spot-on with your assessment. When I watched TLJ in theatres, I was SHOCKED that she survived. I honestly thought that was going to be her send-off.
I wish it were.
The fact that they didn't do the edits you suggested towrds the end shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that nobody gave a rats rump about this franchise.
Giving this video a like was super easy, barely an inconvenience ;)
I'm a simple man; new Midnight's Edge video, I watch and like. Especially if Andre is narrating.
jar jar abrams, leftlean kennedy, and ruin johnson; "well make the 'plot twist' of episode 9 a HUGE problem. much more then an inconvenience."
I saw you in drunks stream just found your channel but good work man these videos are tuff
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Wow, even the original plan was just as bad as TLJ. Carries Fisher deserve better than what JJ, Kennedy, and Johnson had done.
Can’t wait to see this movie bomb. It’s going to be a disaster-piece.
Your best video yet! I bet it is spot on!!!
real question: should i avoid this and wait for the rip?
don't give'em money
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You need to deny them both money and attention. Don't watch it, period. Watch a couple of in depth TH-cam reviews instead and it'll be like seeing it, only fun and thought-provoking, plus you don't financially support them.
“Very easy, barely an inconvenience” Hahahaha, nice reference.
One can only wonder how many billions disney left on the table by not having a true sequel trilogy with the original cast and not pursuing the ill planned passing the torch nonsense.
yeah, srsly. When Leia was blown out to space I was thinking, well... I knew she had to die. Then she flies back to the ship destroying all suspension of disbelief. If they just had her die in some nice honorable way, everything would have worked for me
I would be really surprised if they had that level of planning from the beginning, primarily for three reasons:
(1) I remember them making it very clear, before the release of The Force Awakens, that Leia had never had any Jedi training. That she went from failed politician to guerilla general.
(2) Us learning that Rian Johnson tossed out all of the story treatments that JJ Abrams prepared.
(3) We've heard many rumors that they never had an overarching plan for the Sequels. And they've been behaving like there's never been a plan. So I sincerely doubt them now if they're trying to argue they had any kind of plan all along. Not that I don't believe Tod Fisher, I just think that's what they were brainstorming while TLJ was being filmed.
Only someone completely inept would allow a trilogy to be green lit without a comprehensive plan in place. Looks like we have a complete failure in leadership. The biggest failure in episode 8 is the chronological positioning, it should have been set two or three years after 7 to allow for a natural progression. The first order would have had time to fight a war, Reys training would have made sense etc
Leias death/injury should have been the catalyst for Luke and Rey to return to the fold.
I just want you to make a video where you pronounce the name of Frankenstein. It sounds incredibly badass.
Definitely sounds like the plan was to take the "The Force Is Female" route even though it wouldnt make sense for Rey to be trained by an elderly princess/general who spent most of her life without any Force ability whatsoever.
Kathleen and Rian were made for each other. They've both ruined the franchise when by all means it should be as popular as ever today.
I think you're right:
Ep. VII - Han shaming and killed off
Ep. VIII - Luke shaming and killed off
Ep. IX - Leia heroically dies handing over to Rey
Can we all just put Rian Johnson on a floating piece of ice and send him off to sea like at the end of that South Park episode?
Rian: I'm Not your Friend Buddy
Star Wars Fans: Your not our Buddy Guy
That is a good switch. It could have been done even after TLJ came out and fans were demanding a REMAKE.
According to the subtitles, episode nine is called “Rice of Skywalker”.
If that was the plan the entire time to make Leia the last Jedi by the movies end, then why not make her a trained Jedi in TFA???? This narrative makes no sense! There WAS no plan or trilogy arch in this shit sequel saga! It was just a "telephone story game" where the first guy starts the story, the next guy tells whatever then he wants, and then the last person finishes with their version!
Stop trying to make this seemed like it was planned at all!