@Greg Elchert I totally agree. It is totally mind-boggling that they are this inept with an IP they paid 4 billion dollars for. You would think they would at least put in the barest minimum of effort to at least recoup their initial expenditure first, make a solid profit and only after that try to "subvert expectations".
To be fair, they're trying to be hands off, like they are with lots of their sub companies. They buy them because they make money, and they expect them to keep doing so, maybe with a nudge every now and then. The problem here is, the person in charge of the sub company was a bit...mental, and in love with the idea of putting her mark on the franchise, bringing in 'new' fans, and dumping the old, as the image of the old kind of wasn't what she wanted. The problem was...well, this channel has been over that time and time again.
zoompt 1975, I left TFA apologizing to the family members I made come with me. . . . I learned my lesson and went to TLJ alone. I left in total and immediate shock. Without giving any spoilers or details to them, I simply told those waiting for the next showing of TLJ not to expect too much - that it was indeed awful! (They had already purchased their tickets. I was doing them a favor by lowering their expectations.) . . . I learned my lesson and I’m not even going to see TRoS at all - ever. Not one dime, Disney. Not one dime!
If it can end six different ways they clearly don't have a story and never did. Hey maybe that's the problem?! Could it be? More likely than Star Wars fatigue right?
Jerry Robitaille dude marvel literally did the same thing tf ? ( as much as I hate the new Star Wars movie this is just a business move to make sure leaks don’t get out about the ending ) ( and it worked as it was leaked they were re shooting multiple endings ) ( if they didn’t do this then the leak would be about the ending and not the re shoots )
@@JWHEdwards every story can always be created to have multiple endings but they aren't the true endings. and its quite obvious that re-shooting is going to take money no matter what
@jediphilosopher Let's not even get the animals off the planet but leave them to be recaptured. Because, you know, who gives a fuck about them now that we've trashed the casino and got the diversion we needed?
You must not hesitate Lord Audience ! Show no mercy. Only then, will you have the power to do what is necessary. Only then will you have the power, to save Star Wars.
Have you heard the Tragedy of Darth Kennedy the Incompetent? I thought not. It's not a story Disney would tell the shareholders. It's an industry rumor. Darth Kennedy was a Dark Lord of Lucasarts, so powerful and so stupid she thought social justice could create life to a franchise… She had such a lack of knowledge of Star Wars, she couldn't even keep the saga Lucas cared about from dying.
I wonder how many test audience members are there to try to convince them to make the most hilariously awful cut imaginable. The movie's not gonna be good, we're past that, but how entertaining can we make this trainwreck?
Oh, they did celebrate for the last film. All the way back in 1983. I will say that I am a fan of Nu-Wars and I am anticipating SW9:TROS. I'm only joking around.
If it came to a do-over I'd rather they start with Episode 7 and make something original that expands the story rather than rehash with just another Empire, another Emperor, another Rebellion/Resistance and anther droid McGuffin. "A map to Skywalker"?! Seriously?! I came up with better plots for my D&D campaign when I was a teenager!
@@2012sonora "There was literally no way to pull a good story out of the mess that Rian Johnson left" I've seen a lot of people say that, and I don't get it. Snoke was a fucking stupid idea to begin with. I loved the fact that TLJ killed him off, because his very existence takes away from the uniqueness of Palpatine.
@@IndyDefense there were OTHER threats in the galaxy after Palpy, YUZHAN-WONG other dark Sith entities ,Rakata, Tyber Zahn etc....Other Sith Lords maybeeee ?! 🤷♂️
I was hoping that Finn wakes up from Bacta tank at start of ep.9 and HE WAS DREAMING ENTIRE SHITSHOW OF EPISODE 8. !!! That is only thing that can save this DUMPSTERFIRE/SHITSHOW/TRAINWRECK that started with Farce Awakens film...
@@jangounchained5279 No. Way better would be the opening where Luke tosses the lightsaber but uses the Force to bring it back. The Episode goes on where he trains her and leaves Achtoo to join the fight. Luke saw the future and changes it.
@nil bogg Gotta admit that would do it. JJ would make a lot of people happy. Then if Disney says the EU is canon that would be a big apology to the fans.
Just start over where Force aweakens ended, call it alternative timeline and stretch it out into a Netflix series, the character would be given time to develoupe, star wars fans get more time in the star wars universe etc. instead of this crammed charicatures we got thus far.
What would "save" Star Wars for me is a rerelease of the original trilogy on DVD/Blu-ray, without the digital effects and other changes made in the 1990s and afterwards.
I am aware of the fan edits that restore the original trilogy as much as possible. I still want a rerelease of the original trilogy on DVD/Blu-ray, without the digital effects and other changes made in the 1990s and afterwards.
They should have handed it to J. Michael Straczynski . . . Ten times the writer, who is proven to know how to create arcs and write powerful endings and characters. And he could fix things on the fly when the real world intruded upon his overall story. Abrams is good at a basic ideas and a few plot points, but his endings always -- *always* -- fall flatter than month-old beer.
Paul Guglielmetti TLJ made me lose interest in the new characters and even what happens to the OT characters in IX...I’m guessing the OT characters will be disrespected yet again
this is so true, no one cares about the new characters. i didnt realize at the time how bad the force awakens was, i just focused all my anger on the last jedi, i just kind of let the force awakens "remake" movie wash over me, but after re watching it a few more times its so poor, in character development and story.
This. Johnson throwing out the script creates discontinuity with the story and the fans have noticed. They were relying on the passive carelessness of fans to get away with it and they miscalculated. Kathleen Kennedy is a SJW with an agenda and needs to be checked before Star Wars returns to greatness.
Absolutely - what Disney really needed to do was publicly (and LOUDLY) fire the people responsible for destroying Star Wars. The majority of fans absolutely detest Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson - if the president of Disney had come out and had a press conference and publicly commented on their terminations that would have rebuilt some good will. But by doubling down and keeping people like Kathleen Kennedy around, it just pisses the fans off even more. The whole of Episodes 7-9 just need to be scrapped and re-made with a completely new story, characters, directors, etc.
Contrary to the self-destructive and inexplicable tone-deafness of Disney, the dwindling interest of the fanbase in Star Wars since its multibillion dollars purchase from George Lucas is a rational consumer response. Practically speaking, The Last Jedi was a branding/marketing "neutron bomb" which left Star Wars a desolate toxic wasteland of an IP. One of the greatest lessons I was blessed to learn under the tutelage of some of the best practitioners of brand management was legacy brands DO NOT belong to companies holding them but are the "property" of their supportive consumer bases. IP holders should act like "trustees" not "owners". JJ Abrams may realize his involvement with Episode 9 has set him up to be the fall guy for Rian Johnson's and Kathleen Kennedy's colossally inept butchering of Star Wars. Rumors of reshoots and six different endings of Episode 9 if true, confirm the tragic consequence of how monumentally broken the Star Wars IP is like a proverbial Humpty Dumpty. In my humble opinion as a decades-long fan of the Star Wars brand Disney's best course is to indefinitely postpone the theatrical release of Star Wars; The Rise of Skywalker and begin the public crucifixions of Mr. Johnson and Ms. Kennedy
@@MrNeutralizer Yeah. But unlike what we can read on the press most Star Wars fans are able of nuanced reaction. TFA felt like a Disney SW but I can watch the movie in DVD with my children. It feels like times had changed but TFA is better than no Star Wars for the next generation. On the other hand I can't watch TLJ. I know every scene of this mess from the dozen of review I watched. I was so desperate to find any hint that ppl truly overreacted. I can't stand what they've done to Luke Skywalker... I shed a tear seeing the behind the scene when mark Hamill cried on set.
scoopsmagoo I said it can be fixed. I could fix it. I did not say if Chris Terrio ( _Batman v Supeman: Dawn of Justice_ ) and J.J.Abrams ( _Armageddon_ ) would think of the only solution.
I have no idea how anyone can think Star Wars TLJ was social justice. I beg you to tell me ONE character (male or female) who made any good decisions in the entire movie. I also challenge you to tell me the plot/story of TLJ; what was that movie even about? First thing they need is a freaking STORY.
Max Covfefe I think the theme was "learning from failure" and the story was a redemption arc for Luke and a belated exposition on the origin of Kylo. In a way it is a remake of _Return of the Jedi_ except Luke fails to redeem Vader despite sensing that there is still good in him, Emperor dies. Because of this similarity, the Sequel Trilogy could be regarded as exploring similar scenarios to the Original Trilogy, but having Kylo choose the alternative outcome and not be redeemed. This puts _The Rise of Skywalker_ in uncharted territory, with the most likely outcome being that Rey has to kill Kylo after some considerable reluctance. Some fate of the galaxy stakes are needed to justify this action, so maybe Kylo is going to harvest the Kyber crystals that powered the destructive beam of the second Death Star and use them to equip a fleet of Super Star Destroyers with mini super weapons each of which can melt the surface of a planet. Kylo will be stopped before he gets around to constructing this enormous fleet, so the array of ships in the recent trailer was probably a vision of the future rather than something someone has got. Kylo does have the mini Death Star thing that he used to pierce the door of the old Rebel Base on Crait probably back aboard his ship, so I wouldn't put it past him to melt the surface of Pasaana in hopes he would kill Rey after she fled from their lightsaber battle, assuming she was still on the surface as the Millennium Falcon had left without her earlier. Kylo will be super evil and likely kill Rose as he tortures her to death for information on the location of the Resistance that she doesn't know, and this coupled with the genocide of the peaceful kite flying inhabitants of Pasaana should make even the strongest ReyLo 'shippers question the chances of their bad boy's chances for redemption. It will ultimately be revealed after Rey kills Kylo that Luke has to defeat the evil spirit that used him as its host after he killed its previous host, Snoke. This evil Sith Force Ghost would be Luke's grandfather, Darth Plagueis the Wise. Rey would eventually reunite with her parents, Luke and Mara Jade (who had given her daughter false memories and hidden her on Jakku from the corruptive influence of Snoke who wanted Luke's child to be his apprentice). Luke actually ignited his green lightsaber on seeing the evil spirit of Darth Plagueis haunting Ben Solo, but then Ben woke at the sound of this lightsaber being ignited and turned to defend himself and misconstrued the situation, incorrectly jumping to the conclusion that his uncle wanted to murder him in his sleep. Ben would then bring the ceiling stones down on Luke's head, leaving him with an impaired memory of the event, which he inferred that he must have suffered a moment of weakness, which was not the case. The couple of contradictory flashbacks in _The Last Jedi_ are by unreliable narrators so neither of them are true. This means that _Episode VIII_ largely serves as a clever misdirect to make audiences stop speculating that Rey is Luke's daughter and then be surprised when this predictable reveal is the case.
VietnamD0820 I don’t like it but I just can’t stand people who won’t give this movie a shot. Tfa was really decent and rogue one was amazing why can’t this
Aaron Martinez If you want to see Rise Of Skywalker, I’m not trying to take your joy away...When I saw TFA, I really got excited for the episode 8...I couldn’t wait to see Luke Skywalker in action...then TLJ came out and it fell totally flat for me...I walked out of TLJ not caring about how this trilogy ends Also, side note, I know I’m in the minority on this, but I found Rogue One boring...No exaggeration, it put me to sleep while I sat in an IMAX theater
@@aaronm4841 It may be a visually impressive spectacle that revels in Star Wars nostalgia, which is what it looks like they are going for, but I've lost all faith that they are gonna make an interesting movie that stands on its own. I mean their teaser trailer was mostly just shots from the old movies and TFA, the decent one, was just a rehash of all the coolest stuff in Star Wars in the first place.
@@vietnamd0820 Heck, I'm not wasting my time watching it for free... I'm popping up a wikipedia page or watching a spoiler laden-ed video of the whole plot synopsis the day after the movie airs in the theaters.
THROW MORE SH*T AND SEE WHAT STICKS! QUICK!! Now that we've mostly gone through the various stages of grief, isn't it wonderful to be able to enjoy this car crash without the baggage?
The TH-cam videos ripping The Last Jedi into little bloody bits were entertaining ... something The Last Jedi was not. I expect the same will be true of The Rise of Skywalker.
It's a dire situation. They wasted two movies to try and force the audience to love the new characters, but failed badly at creating any sense of stakes. The feminist messaging of having Rey beat everyone who opposes her within the scene has left us with a situation where the only question to be answered is 'how fast will she beat whatever the final boss of this dumb movie ends up being'. If they make it Palpatine, all that does is undermine all the previous movies as 'bringing in a woman to do the job properly' is the same tired trope that Hollywood has been trotting out with Ghostbusters, Batwoman, Captain Marvel, etc. These aren't well thought out concepts, just 'what if woman'... ok sure, but don't forget to write a story worth telling for your female protagonists to inhabit. And for god sakes the villains need to win most of the time and actually hurt them, or there's no sense of peril - a hero who is not at risk is a zero, like Rey.
Let's not forget the strong, independent general that is responsible for the death of most of the resistance members and had to sacrifice herself to save the rest. Which BTW, only worked, because the First Order was stupid enough not to do the sensible thing... again. Which would be to shoot down the largest enemy ship first, just in case anyone wants to know what the sensible thing to do was.
@@grayscribe1342 You know it's not good when TFA and TLJ were falling apart before your eyes on the first viewing never mind when you went away to think about it! Leia was made into complete moron and Holdo is downright criminal and a traitor. The First Order was more concerned with their people than the Resistance was with their own.
Sidious wins and wins and wins for six movies straight until he is defeated. The only real setback was ANH and that wasn't even him but Tarkin and Vader and Vader is placing the blame on Tarkin!
What REALLY stinks is that I actually like the "babes that kick butt" genre. If they would have just respected SW lore and given Rey proper character growth, KK would have gotten everything she was after. This whole plow the plane into the mountain of a trilogy just to make a point could have been avoided. Now the only SW that exists for me is Ep. I thru VI, Clone Wars and even RO.
@Jangler333 They actually are leftist only on social rights; on economics they're centrist at best. That's what American "liberals" are. The term actually means a wide range of position but the Dem have used it to play the "I'm leftist"-card while remaining right wingers. And the GOP became more conservative, since they now call themselves "conservatives". I guess that sounds cool.
@@itrthho one can only dream right :D saying that SW is in trouble is the closest they will ever come to it or firing KK as head of lucasfilm and appointing filoni as head
Get rid of JJ, Kennedy and her writing team. Please hire some of the EU authors and directors/editors that are fans of their works. Hopefully some market research bot reads this.
Then what did the 6/8 female writing team do? web.archive.org/web/20190105031858/www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html
Why didn't they do a Mara Jade story or what's Asoka been up to...she's an alien, who's to say she doesn't age slowly... either of those would've been so much more interesting....
The damage is too great. The Rise of Skywalker cannot fix what The Last Jedi did to Luke's character. The entire trilogy has completely negated the purpose of the original trilogy and the things all those characters fought for by resetting the universe back to square one. Han Solo can not be redeemed from the hapless bum with the smuggler's life that he returned to in The Force Awakens. Leia's actress is gone, and her ability to have a significant effect on this last film is now considerably limited, and we STILL have not heard a single apology or admission of guilt concerning Lucasfilm's reaction to fan dissatisfaction surrounding episode eight. Whether 'The Rise of Skywalker' turns out to be a good movie or not, I'm no longer interested in the story, nor the characters that remain. Even if it turns out to be something exceptional, Star Wars is now permanently scarred unless they scrap everything Disney has done and try again.
@Gravivector One could only hope. Unfortunately: A- Everyone would have to be re-cast. Something I suppose I could live with, but it wouldn't be quite the same. B- Unless Zahn is personally involved in the scripting, I don't think Disney/Lucasfilm currently has skilled enough writers able to pull it off. Even WITH Zahn he's not a screenwriter, and may not be able to properly adapt his stories. And frankly... I'm not sure I WANT Disney to screw with those stories. I'd rather remember them with fondness.
@@MrEvol94 Luke was never perfect, nor was he flawless, but he was determined, hopeful, and capable. All three aspects of which were stripped from him. He was also responsible, at least he learned to be. Apparently though he turned into a decrepit old hermit who seemed to have full knowledge of a dark sith influencing his students, made one mistake, and ended up turning a potential scourge of the galaxy loose. Instead of realizing that he was responsible for Kylo's rampage and that he was likely the only person who could possibly stop him and without even ATTEMPTING to fix said mistake, he decided to screw off into some unknown part of the galaxy, hide himself away like a coward, and leave the Galaxy to deal with the problem he caused and give up on the child of his best friend and sister who he clearly didn't have the guts to face any longer. No... I'm perfectly fine with Luke being flawed and imperfect. I'm NOT okay with Luke being the exact antithesis of everything he stood for and built himself up to be in the original trilogy.
That's because we don't deserve an apology. What should they apologize for exactly? For trying their best to make a good, original star wars movie for everyone to enjoy but unintentionally coming up a little short in the end for a lot of people because the ppl who worked on the movie are human and ppl make mistakes and it's impossible to please everybody especially with a franchise as beloved, popular, and nostalgic as Star Wars making a divisive film nobody agrees on is almost a guarantee. Also resetting it to square 1 is a good thing because if he didn't then there is literally nowhere else to go with the franchise besides repeating the exact same things/copying the originals and if you're gonna just do that then there isn't even any point in making "New" movies in the 1st place. Plus I don't care what anybody says about Rian Johnson, he's 1 of the most talented young writer/director working today and every movie he's ever made has proved that. His movies are better on average than like 80% of the garbage that comes out every single year, and I'd put him in the top 10-20% of directors working today no question if you look at the consistent quality of the stuff he's done and the consistent not-quality of stuff made by the average writer/director. Even his worst movie the Last Jedi fucking crushes the prequels easy, no question in terms of overall quality and entertainment level, and whoever doesn't agree with that is either not being objective, are being swayed by their own personal bias and emotions, or they just don't know enough about what makes a good film (Writing/directing/dialogue/themes/style/choreography/acting/cinematography/skill/talent/imagination/creativity/etc.) And Disney fucked up big time by not letting him do his own trilogy and firing him but keeping those 2 idiots from GOT who are obviously complete hacks unless they have someone actually talented to copy off of who's holding their hands. I just don't get why people freak out so damn bad about the last jedi/Rian Johnson, it makes no sense to me. They literally act like it's 1 of the most terrible things mankind has ever seen and it's just so bad that it boggles the mind when even with all of it's many mistakes taken into account it's still better than the vast majority of shit that comes out every single year and is so far away from being as bad as they make it out to be that it's honestly ridiculous. But whatever, I'm Gay so what do I know....
That would have been great, but han and Leia are out. Disney missed that opportunity. They really could have made something amazing. Too bad they destroyed a franchise instead.
@@gc3k No disrespect to GL, but Brian dePalma saw the first cut and said it was "unwatchable". Marcia created the second trench run, she created the entire sequence of the Rebel base being in danger from the Death Star using unused takes from the destruction of Alderaan. That's why those sequences are so similar. She encouraged GL not to cut the kiss for luck, Chewy growling at the mouse droid, and some of the other memorable character moments of the film. My point is that GL is better with collaborators...that's why EMPIRE is the best film..he didn't direct it, but was managing the big picture.
There is this stupid narrative infecting the Internet that an editor for Star Wars did something that no other editor has ever accomplished in a movie, and it's total horse shit. Marcia Lucas did a fantastic job, and that can't be understated. Lucas imagined Star Wars, and that cannot be understated. Everyone has their job in a movie production. Editors "save" virtually every movie ever made that involves a production team. Marcia doesn't deserve to be elevated any more than the actors, the casting director, the special effects team, the writer, director, music composer etc etc etc Where would Star Wars be without Peter Cushing, Alec Guiness, James Earl Jones? Without John Williams? Without sound mixer Ben Burtt who gave lightsabers the iconic sound. They and the rest of the crew ALL saved Star Wars
YES, she got the Oscar for Star Wars, not George, and only the 2nd woman ever to win one for editing at the time. The rough edit compared to the finished product are like night and day. She did indeed save it. Then she walked away from him and George tried erasing her, he must have loved her very much to be hurt so badly.
@Natasel I guess eiger want to blame a bad Ep9 result on her and look good by firing her and then he can claim that the new TV series were his ideas and are the future. Also there wa the ongoing Fox merger - would not look good if you fire KK while it was going on.
Saving a movie in editing: It can be done, but it’s pretty rare... much better to have some clear idea going in. A handful of good movies have been pulled out of editors’s asses, but all *great* movies (without exception) began as great scripts.
Nicolino Will indeed, and that was covered in the “handful of good movies” to which I referred. You might be able to infer from this (and the fact that I put the word “great” in bold) that I do not consider Star Wars to be a great film. Well, I guess you couldn’t infer that, otherwise I wouldn’t be explaining it now, but that’s neither here nor there. In my opinion, Star Wars was a cultural phenomenon unlike anything we’d seen, and being 9 in 1977, it was one of my favorite things in the world. But I regard it as a good movie, not a great one.
Does it help that we have not seen a single hint of the absolutely worthless Rose Tico in the trailers? I loathe that character more than any other, including kid Anakin and Jar Jar Binks, and I feel sorry for the poor woman who played her. One thing that would really fix Episode 9 for me is seeing her revealed as an Imperial agent. Probably not going to happen, but still... it would be juicy.
@@thedarkapex5327 It made life much more difficult for the makers of Ep. 9, for sure. If M.E. are to be believed, it completely derailed the storyline, for sure. It did the franchise immense damage, for sure. But no, it did not ruin everything.
The movie is going to be a f****** mess the only way to save this s*** show it's to apologize to the fans that they disrespected have Luke Skywalker wake up from a dream that was the nightmare that Disney brought and redo the rest
Tbf it was Kylo who said that and Rey obv didn’t go along with it. I don’t think that’s a theme in the the movie. When you have the themes “Save the animals” and “we win by saving what we love” what more could you want?
@@GlitteringToothpaste would you please tell that to all the dumb journalists and fans of that stupid f**king movie, I don't even like it and I get that bit
Greg Williams Actually it’s a fact. There are too many scenes for me to even want to type out, that completely nullify past actions in the movie or break established rules. Just look at the fan base dude. It’s broken. Fact. Financial gains after the last Jedi, broken. Fact.
J Money LOL ok then. I seem to be the only Star Wars fan who has opinions, whereas everyone else speaks in facts. I guess I’d be factually incorrect to say I like the last Jedi, as I’m not allowed to like it, cos it’s apparently a fact that it’s bad
@@Greggorious123 You can like it, but it's still a shit movie. Without listing all the reasons why it's bad, here is a bit of anecdotal evidence. Full disclosure I LOVED Star Wars. OG trilogy, Prequels, Books, comics, Video games everything. My wife likes action movies and is okay with star wars but not a big fan. We saw TLJ with the kids and ten minutes in I was ready to leave, but I bit my tongue and kept quiet, only making a sarcastic quip when I saw the holdo outmaneuver. So following the conclusion I looked over and asked my wife what she thought and without any prompting she started laughing and said "That was bad." Tangent here, but that further confirmed all the reasons why I love that woman. lol. The movie was just bad. It amazes me because I am not a hyper critical fan. I can and have forgiven plenty of blunders but this was a god awful mess of a movie. The ways in which this failed are equivalent to a major league hitter getting served a 70mph lob only to whiff the ball faceplant and tear his Achilles. Again you can love the movie flaws included and I am not going to tell you that you are wrong or somehow responsible for the fall of civilization, but can we just agree that you like a bad movie? Can you at least admit that it has a myriad of narrative problems?
Kathleen Kennedy broke Star Wars. Whatever fallout occurred after The Last Jedi's release was planted well in advance of The Force Awakens ever being written.
I loved Star Wars my whole life. I enjoyed TFA, and LOVED Rogue One. TLJ was the first time I walked out of a theaters after Watching Star Wars thinking... "Did I like that? I don't think I did." I really want Episode 9 to fix the issues 8 brought up. I WANT Star Wars to be great. I REALLY hope Disney actually looked at all the feedback they got. I choose to hold on to hope.
Will TROS fix Star Wars? No. Star Wars can be fixed, but it will take the efforts of passionate and creative people to fix it, not a corporate system relying on a hodgepodge of ideas with damage control being foremost. The sequel trilogy is already ruined. The only way Star Wars can recover is a new movie series with talented writers. There are very few of those in Hollywood.
Disagree. It can't be fixed. It's not Star Trek to where you can just say 7, 8 and 9 never happened. Han and Luke are dead and their character's assassinated and Carrie Fisher is dead. Disney had one shot given the realities of the age and health of the hero trio and they screwed it up.
Agreed, Disney star wars is dead. But we can still hold onto the old cannon until Disney sales it back to George for pennies. Long live the OG sequel trilogy: The Thrawn trilogy!
I'm going to point to another series that was derailed and came back. Highlander was a cult classic movie that many people wrote in begging for a sequel. Highlander 2 was complete and utter garbage. It makes TLJ look like a competently made film. Everyone assumed that it was the end to the series before it got out of the gate. However, a TV series was started and it completely ignored the events in Highlander 2. The series was popular enough to make it to 6 seasons and I believe 3 more movies were produced. It is possible for Star Wars to come back. They will have to ignore the sequel trilogy. I also think that we can't expect this to turn around with the current leadership of Lucasfilm and probably Disney.
@@TookyG Agreed. Disney had a window of opportunity with the original cast and they blew it. Hamil wanted it and lamented, on 'what could have been' in a Tweet, but was blasted by the Social Justice Disney Drones. The terrible way they handled the whole franchise has been a nightmare for fans and now Disney is worried and they're scrambling to fix things. Total incompetence.
Not surprised, this is a life or death scenario for Star Wars as a franchise. Not that anything can undo the damage caused by Rian Johnson's "The Last Jedi".
Lucas stated in 2016 that he was afraid he wouldn't live long enough to finish a sequel trilogy, so he sold his franchise. It would have taken him a decade to make 3 more movies because he's that much of a perfectionist.
Disney: "We're testing six different endings for Rise of Skywalker!" Me: "Do they all involve an unlikable female British protagonist who can't fight?" Disney: "Well... Yes, bu-" Me: *HARD PASS*
The Rise of Skywalker simply can't "turn out alright". It's not a standalone movie, it's the final part of the trilogy. I would compare it to a part of the sinking ship that has a gaping hole in the middle, and here we are, asking ourselves "but what if that part of the vessel we have not seen is actually OK?" Does it matter if the engine room is OK, if the ship is sinking?
@@thedarkapex5327 , even if it is a decent final film, the damage is already done. It could be another Solo, more financially successful but still a non billion dollar winner or profit making after all these extra costs and likely protection of the film by Disney.
No, it will be a disaster because they're trying to please people like you who think the sequels need to be "fixed". You can't write a good film by focusing on pleasing fans. TV shows have gone downhill doing this. They should've stuck with their plan, whether people liked it or not. I loved TLJ, but I know RoS is going to be an unholy mess, because they are trying to please you all, which can't be done. That horse has left the barn. You all say there's nothing they can do to "fix" it or make it up to you, so why bother? Just try to make the best movie you can, JJ, and let the chips fall where they may. Now, NO ONE will like the movie, not even those who liked TLJ, because it'll suck!
Agree with his vision or not, at least George Lucas HAD a vision. This movie making by committee that Disney is doing that tanked the new Muppet series BEFORE it started shooting is affecting Star Wars.
TBF, Kennedy did have a vision, "The Force is Female." It's just stupid and shows that she was never an artist or understood art. Lucas is an artist, negative connotations and all. He made weird stuff and Star Wars happened to pay off and as weird as his art is, he is true to it and that conveys truth on screen. Kennedy had propaganda on the mind and the movies reflect propaganda where the story HAS to tell you the good guys are good, the bad guys are bad, and it can't be questioned ever.
@@denisl2760 The prequels ARE bad. But they're an enjoyable kind of bad. Like you can see the thought process that went into making them, appreciate it and feel like they actually somewhat fit into the cohesive of the overall narrative of episodes 1-6, the (relatively small) benefit of having one guy behind the chair and having an ultimate end goal set up for you in RotJ by the time RotS is made. But these recent films have been an absolute dumpster fire filled with tires and it feels like Disney has just been using Star Wars like it's been using Marvel (as well as it's other held properties)... "Merchandising! Merchandising! Merchandising!"
RoC 77 yes , they should’ve done a recut especially with Carrie dying. Kylo has great development in tlj, that’s it and even that shoulda been better. From the start it should have been the child of Luke vs child of Han and leia. They borrowed from the last comic Star Wars- non Disney heavily for tfa- look it up. Here’s what would’ve helped .... lightsabers... people love lightsabers!!! People now are loving the prequels why cuz of lightsabers and duels! That’s why so many people are SW fans in the first place-the lightsaber! What happened to all the lightsabers the Jedi had and backups they had ala aotc??? Yet we get praetorian guards with pseudo light whips and swords/staffs that light up but are a solid object....wtf??? Ree Ann Johnson I hate you and hope you a miserable life worse than Corey hame, KK I wish MM never let you whisper or fullnon dive into his big ears... you are a pathetic human who lied to Lucas . He was supposed to be a consultant who had heavy sway on the trilogy and right after the deal was finalized they said oh great idea but yeah...... we’re not gonna go with it(even though this is your world build-kinda, he stole a lot from dune1965 Herbert) read the Star Wars , it was Lucas first script and heavily leaned on herberts dune. To the point where they had great houses . I digress, empire is the best, but number two to me is rots, some things could’ve been better but whatever. At least it was extremely fun seeing it in the theater and honestly the prequels have better rewatchability to me than the originals because of all the moving piece. Politics, war, duels, philosophy, & a love story. Idk what this Disney logy has given us other than Kylo ren who is represented fantastic, poster child for milenials, cool helmet, lightsaber that actually prevents one from losing a Han! But not knowing if Rey is his relative by now kills any love story. Unless we’re going Lannister rules then fair game... Disney did hire the double ds for the next trilogy. So in finality, sjw, pc, and twincest/familycest we, that’s what Disney seems to be cool with. FKK FRJ idk jj make it right or FJJ.& FTR-wrestling fans will get it
Opening Scene: Rey and Kylo fighting on the Death Star Shard. Rey kills Kylo. Palpatine shows up, Rey thinks of turning bad, is like "naw, Dawg," cuts Sheev in half (length-wise). Roll Credits.
I've been saying: The force awakens was weak, but had some potential plot threads to be expanded on. TLJ just... Killed it all. A lot of the issues could have been fixed. Quick example: have Kylo stomp Rey in a fight. Emphasise how he IS a serious threat, and that he only lost in TFA because he was wounded. But nope... There is no reason to care about Kylo, because he's pathetic in comparison to MaRey Sue.
Thats why i like TFA at first, the first order seemed like a threat, hux seemed to want blood, who was snoke? ... This is interesting, how will things go with kylo?, why is rey so strong?, how will thingd develop with rey and fin?, poe seems like a likeable character what action star fights will he bring?. Where is luke? Cant wait to see him. There was so much to look forward to with TLJ and it was ruined, TLJ was crap and its made TFA a worser film.
I strongly disagree about TFA. It was unlike ANH-ROTS in terms that it was filmed like act 1 of a full story instead of part 1 of a trilogy, but it did a great job introducing new characters, an overall grand plot, and catching us up with the original characters. It was a fun movie and was well received and left the fan base in a much healthier place than after the prequels.
Also Kylo losing to Rey in TFA was totally justifiable given the circumstances TFA place Kylo in. Snoke even has a line about Kylo needing to complete his training. Which let's the audience know Kylo wasn't at full strength during the fight on top of being wounded, being conflicted(after killing his father), and lastly taking it easy on Rey in an attempt to recruit her.
@@thaThRONe that's the biggest load of bullshit reasoning I've ever seen. You're actually gonna try to say that someone trained by Luke, and then later by Snoke and whatever other dark side forces, was beaten by someone who had never picked up a light saber before because his training wasn't complete?? And which is it, he willingly lost or not? Can't be both.
If their goal is to get me to want more Star Wars after this they already succeeded. I want more Star Wars. I just want it from someone who understands and respects both the franchise and the fanbase
Yeah, I'm done with Star Wars. It was great while it lasted. But these people at Disney have no clue what made Star Wars great. That much I am certain of.
@vilod I'm done with Disney's Star Wars too. They don't know what they're doing because they don't have a vision. George Lucas spent years of hard work and dedication developing Star Wars. That type of passion will never come again.
Jonesy Wales It’s dead for me too. I just play kotor from time to time now. That’s the only star wars exposure i get besides watching youtube videos like this.
Same here. I haven't seen Solo and having seen The Rise of Skywalker trailer i'd have to say i want to see this movie even less now if thats even possible. Bringing back dead characters for nostalgia kills it even more, that just tells me Disney has nothing to work with.
No one cares about Rey, no matter she's a Skywalker or Palpatine it's too late. So they have to use nostalgia to save the movie and bring in a new hero and another villain(s) beside Kylo because he was beat by Rey in the first movie and second I'm not paying to see 9 to see her beat him again.
That's a good point about how Kylo's been beat twice now. The story of this trilogy so far seems to be: bad guys build up enormous power. Good guys win against huge odds and annihilate everything the bad guys have created. Then next movie the bad guys are back and just as powerful as before. The cycle repeats. There's no sense of progression like in the original trilogy, partly because the First Order is so badly defined. We have no idea how big they were at the start of TFA or how big they are at the end of TLJ. Did the good guys accomplish anything significant at all?
I guess there was some of that grind in the original trilogy. The Emperor and his obsession with Death Stars. But the main characters had interesting subplots that moved forward in believable ways, and that was what gave us a sense of progression. We wanted to learn more about the characters, and see them win. That's what they're really missing in this trilogy.
@@tb4522 I don't care for Rey she did it all in the first Film . She found Luke's saber then beat the wannabe Vader with no training and never held a light saber. She got with Han and Leia, and got them back together. She beat their spoiled son and taught him a lesson. They spread their feminists agenda good woman don't need no man to tell her what to do. She found Luke without his help, beat his wannabe Vader nephew. Helped free the black storm trooper running from his master FO. Rey became a Jedi in spirt with no training did the mind trick with no training wow. We done with her, please no more Rey.
Disney has turned one the most successful franchises in film history into a complete dumpster fire??!! They should put the people in charge of the Clone Wars and Rebels animated shows in charge of Star Wars.
I´ve been telling for Years they should replace KAthleen K. with Dave Filoni. He doesn´t have to do everything and propably still would provide female characters and directors and so on, but would also make sure storywise everything makes sense and feels like Star Wars.
I’m not sure if you’re aware that your quote was actually said by a construction worker helping to build one of the telescope domes atop Mauna Kea that rises nearly 14,000 ft above sea level. The response was to bring him down to a lower altitude ASAP.
@@fohpono8884 At least he had the excuse of altitude sickness and oxygen deprivation. I've worked in industrial and commercial construction for 30 years as and Electrician and Welder. I've seen similar things occur at less than 1000' ASL... Granted, it's usually the FNG, but I've seen Veteran Tradesmen _"have one of those days"._
It's too late and the damage is irreversible...Han is dead, Luke is dead and Carrie Fisher has sadly passed, there is nothing that can be done to fix the ST SC Reviews made a huge connection for me...hyperspace ramming has REALLY put a BIG burden on future space battle logic in the SW universe and that ROS has to be able to explain why it won't be used as a weapon in the future...why didn't I put this together before? What a mess...
That is indeed something I and others have been saying since it happened. Its the biggest change to canon in the film, allowing them to weaponize hyperspace like that. Even outside legends, in Rebels, a show produced by disney itself, Hyperspacing into a solid object will have you 'phase' through it instead. There are explanations for it, like say the Hyperspace Tracker was partially in Hyperspace, allowing for the collision or something, but even then, it's going to take time from a story that already has a lot of ground to cover to establish that.
What? SW isnt irreversably damaged One movie can't damage it all Yes unfortunately these characters and carrie have passed but that doesn't destroy star wars
@@thedarkapex5327 The problem here is, they introduced a super weapon, that literally everyone has, and with no limits shown on screen. The Hyperspace ram changes all of Star Wars, if you can turn an X-Wing(Which we know can have a hyperdrive even in films, because Luke's does), into a missile at light speed, then how are you going to have battles anymore? Heck, shields couldn't even defend the Supremacy, the largest non-starbase ship in the SW canon at this point. And the filmmaker's themselves, at the very best, have said that this wouldn't work....because it wouldn't work. Not really a reason, because they don't have one, because the whole point was, it looked pretty, throw it in, and damn the consequences. They screwed up a lot, but this addition is the one that most damages what came before, and what comes after, and if JJ does not address it in any way, just choosing to ignore it, then he's already lost.
@@thedarkapex5327 Oh but it does. Why should anyone fight those epic space battles anymore, when you can just load a droid brain(Which in this continuity we have seen pilot ships on their own), and have them slam into the enemy? You can respond with, well then why don't they just all build death star lasers, but then, old canon actually answered that, in several ways(And new canon does too, though they seem to be ignoring it). If you're curious, old canon said it was just really expensive. Like the Hutts, the Cartels? They had to pump what was literally half their organization's funds from several years into a project called Dark Saber to build just the gun part of the Death Star, and even then, they screwed it up, both because people found out about it, and they hired cheap contractors who skimmed from the top, and built a subpar product. New Canon just says the Death Star's main gun required Kyber Crystals, and a lot of them, which is why the Emperor was raiding all those temples and Jedi Store Houses. Meanwhile, a hyperdrive? Those are loaded onto fighters, cheap, disposable fighters, that can now be filled with explosives, or just heavy materials, and then rammed into the enemy. Why wouldn't someone do this? A waste of resources? How is it that? We saw how powerful the Raddis slamming into the Supremacy was, taking out not just the big ship, but over a dozen other ships, all the same size. That's a hell of a kill/loss ratio by ship size.
"we must warn you that the following information cannot be independently verified" thereby making Midnight's Edge MORE journalistic than any main stream media outlet.
I would rather listen to a recording of Anakin preforming impromtu arthouse poetry about sand than watch any of this Disney shit. All of this while being hit with a sandblaster in my eyes.
From what I understand, the reshoots for “Rogue One,” while certainly qualifying as extensive, didn’t seem to cause the final film to undergo a complete 180° change. It seemed to merely change certain ways characters interacted with each other and HOW the film progressed from A to Z. The reshoots for so many other films (F4, Justice League, Solo, etc) seemed to cause massive changes that made those films a jumbled, unblended mess.
The biggest reason Rise or Skywalker can’t save Star Wars is because the world building is so atrocious they have destroyed any interest in the post RotJ timeline. Their only hope is to make a massive time jump, then make a trilogy on par with the OT. Then and only then might they became viable again. But even then Star Wars will never be what Star Wars was pre Disney.
Dude star wars is same even before the purchase of Disney prequels got so much hate that sequels are getting now there is not much difference so nothing to worry about
JJ Abrams can’t really say the truth; “Yes, Rian Johnson f**ked things up big time.” I mean politically he can’t say “Disney/Lucasfilm screwed up.” Which is exactly what happened. *Sigh, focus groups my ass. Why?… why?
I don't think it would be fair for JJ to say that Rian fucked things up. It's fair for us to say so, but not for JJ. He made a pretty good mess himself by not planning the trilogy out properly and created a lot of missing story elements that had "to be fixed later" over them. I did like TFA (though far less now after analyzing it), but that movie set the whole series up for failure. Mind you, I'm not making excuses for Rian. He may have been excused if he had just chosen not to fix the problems inherited from TFA and just passed them on to the last movie, but he basically quintupled them up.
@@Crystalgate dude jj did planned things for sequels and gave them to Rian and trevarrow but Rian didn't consider them and made his own plots which became a mess and trevarrow left due to creative issues so they went back to jj to complete this it would have been a better trilogy if JJ would have directed all the 3 movies I agree with you on jj can't diss Rian because he's a colleague
@@narenbaradwaj5058 Yes, he had some plans, but seemingly not enough and the first movie did not set up for the remaining two properly. There were things that should have been covered already in TFA, most pressingly how the heck the first order got that powerful, but were left out. They could have been covered in a later movie, but doing so in a way that feels natural and flows well within the narrative is harder than doing it in the first movie. A second movie will have its own challenges, so saddling it with burdens that the first movie should have carried on top of its own burdens means the second writer has to be much more skilled than the first writer to pull it off. So, if JJ wrote all three sequels, he'd have to be better than himself. Granted, it would still have been much better than what Rian did, but I'm fairly sure there would have been a big problem once the third movie hits and JJ would have to tie everything together.
Force Awakens was meh but The Last Jedi really tanked the whole series. I dont see how this can ever be redeemed. We all know they're going to be pick a shitty ending and for now all we can do is watch in horror
Children are no longer into Star Wars?! How can this be? Who would have thought teaching young boys, men are terrible and have absolutely no one to look up to in the New Trilogy and have tainted the legacy characters of the original Trilogy. I am just at a total loss as to what Disney is doing wrong.
Jan W - buy yet you’re watching a video about the new movie and the sequel trilogy. Someone who doesn’t care doesn’t watch and comment on videos for something they don’t want to see or aren’t interested in.
@@davidshaw8846 it like was a train wreck u don't want to see but u can't help but to stare😳plus if u can really talk about the movie u may see other points of view its entertainment for me😃
@@davidshaw8846 So what? Social interaction also includes conveying one's disinterest. A simple and very mundane concept that, for whatever reason, seems to elude you. But, OK. Whatever.
Here's an ending the true fans would love: after the credits of this movie we see an older Luke (as he is shown now in the Disney versions) sitting deep in meditation but showing occasional pained grimaces as though witnessing some thing horrible (the way Yoda did when young Anakin was killing the sand people) and then opens his eyes gasping for air. A young Jedi comes to his side and asks if he is alright and Luke shakes it off, telling them he has seen the possible future were he to betray every thing he'd ever learned and believed and sits alone on a planet drinking blue milk. This means all of the DIsney movies had been a bad dream and were wiped away as Luke stands tall and raises his light saber, soon joined by several other Jedi he has been training, begging the TRUE rise of Skywalker.
I think it's an incorrect assumption that all true fans would accept the "It was all a dream" trope as a backhand fix. Most fans could probably come up with something better.
@@killjoy197 I wouldn't worry about it man, the damage is already done. All that remains is to see if they can dig themselves out of this hole or go deeper.
@@IMayOrMayNotBeNoelG From what I've seen thus far (as well as phase 4 of the MCU) they'll be hitting the planet's core with how deep they are digging themselves. You'd think the "success" of Galaxy's Edge would be another canary in the coalmine for them but it's fingers in ears, full speed ahead.
@@killjoy197 Honestly man with what I've seen on the production side of things like conflicting egos, power plays, outright coup attempts, and general career fuckery I'm surprised anything turns out well.
Too late. Original fans already checked out and given up on SW. Perhaps Disney might be able to do something original on Disney+ with their TV series but I personally lost interest in this trilogy,
When you replace the Thrawn Trilogy with 'The Force Awakens' and 'The Last Ledi', even great wouldn't have been good enough. It was a doomed idea from the start.
Bring back the original expanded universe. And set the movies 150 years after the last point in the expanded universe. We didn’t need Luke Skywalker the hermit. We needed Luke Skywalker the grandmaster who successfully built the new Jedi order. We needed Ben Skywalker and his children. We we needed the children or grandchildren ofJag Fell and Jaina Solo. PS, we really need the Amazon to not be on fire anymore
I am Brazilian. The Amazon is fine. It burns what it burns every year. All the noise regarding it this year exist bc our government is cracking down illegal operations of NGOs and company's financed by France, German and Norway to steal precious metals in its soil. Some of them were found to be responsible for the fires (together with corrupt government employees).
Unbelievab1e the narrative was solid the characters are still beloved. There might have been contradictions But there was also a great deal of narrative growth in the overall story
this move will be a magically be a multi billion dollar success even though the theaters will be empty, the toys wont sell, some how, some way it will still "make" those billions
buy some youtubers. Let them tell it´s good. Have some promo events giving out free merch. Tell girls go to see it or the world will be ruled by angry men. Tell black people go to see it. Tease Finn getting a big role (but in the end he does nothing), trigger another group and the theaters will fill up. The people who read every comic that comes out now 10 times because they want clues and justifications for the Last Jedi mess still gonna watch the movie 10 times. They gonna get their money. The disaster will only show in merch sales over the next years, and bad home release sales..
@@jekro1 I wonder how much that kind of moves could help. It didn't help Solo. And Finn....it's funny, but IMHO, only white liberals care about that character. I didn't hear a lot of African American praising that character's portrayal, or Asians praising Rose Tico's portrayal.
How Star Wars might be saved in four easy steps (emphasis on might): 1. Scrap the whole sequel trilogy 2. Reinstate the old E.U. as it was before the purchase of Lucasfilm 3. Revoke EA's exclusive license to produce games 4. Make the mother of all Mea Culpas to the fandom
I love the breakneck pace of this video. You have a knack for editing. I’m fascinated with the theory that they might be actually putting out these leaks to see how fans respond. It makes sense.
I cannot believe that the Star Wars franchise, that is supposedly "important" to Disney, was handled this badly.
@Greg Elchert I totally agree. It is totally mind-boggling that they are this inept with an IP they paid 4 billion dollars for. You would think they would at least put in the barest minimum of effort to at least recoup their initial expenditure first, make a solid profit and only after that try to "subvert expectations".
To be fair, they're trying to be hands off, like they are with lots of their sub companies. They buy them because they make money, and they expect them to keep doing so, maybe with a nudge every now and then. The problem here is, the person in charge of the sub company was a bit...mental, and in love with the idea of putting her mark on the franchise, bringing in 'new' fans, and dumping the old, as the image of the old kind of wasn't what she wanted. The problem was...well, this channel has been over that time and time again.
Just shows their priorities. The SJW agenda is apparently more important.
@@denisl2760 Yep, that has become blindingly obvious.
yeah, let's give episode 8 to some random asshole who doesn't actually care about star wars at all.
If they have six endings, that confirms they don't have a clue what they are doing.
They're clueless since TFA
Boycotting since then
zoompt 1975, I left TFA apologizing to the family members I made come with me. . . . I learned my lesson and went to TLJ alone. I left in total and immediate shock. Without giving any spoilers or details to them, I simply told those waiting for the next showing of TLJ not to expect too much - that it was indeed awful! (They had already purchased their tickets. I was doing them a favor by lowering their expectations.) . . . I learned my lesson and I’m not even going to see TRoS at all - ever. Not one dime, Disney. Not one dime!
Fake news. Rumors
Clue had 4 endings, with the final ending claiming to be the real deal....
One year later these prove to be prophetic words
I like the one where Luke wakes up in the jedi academy and says "I had a horrible nightmare!"
If a new trilogy started with that I'd be ok with it
Ah, so the 'Dallas fix?"
@Granger 1 My sentiment exactly :)
@Granger 1 YES !!!
I have absolutely no problems with that. It would be a nice way to save the franchise.
If something can end 6 different ways, the filmmakers didn’t do their job.
Your all wrong this is just protocol so that leaks won’t be able to spoil the ending ( this is actually quite common in the movie industry
If it can end six different ways they clearly don't have a story and never did. Hey maybe that's the problem?! Could it be? More likely than Star Wars fatigue right?
Jerry Robitaille dude marvel literally did the same thing tf ? ( as much as I hate the new Star Wars movie this is just a business move to make sure leaks don’t get out about the ending ) ( and it worked as it was leaked they were re shooting multiple endings ) ( if they didn’t do this then the leak would be about the ending and not the re shoots )
It's called a story. If it can have multiple ends, it's not a story. Of they have no story, why are they spending all this money?
@@JWHEdwards every story can always be created to have multiple endings but they aren't the true endings. and its quite obvious that re-shooting is going to take money no matter what
Hey guys let’s get our Fin and Rose action figure and remake the casino sene!
Said no one ever...
@jediphilosopher Let's not even get the animals off the planet but leave them to be recaptured. Because, you know, who gives a fuck about them now that we've trashed the casino and got the diversion we needed?
😂😂👍
This made me laugh, well done.
"I don't like Disney Star Wars. It's crass and bigoted and irritating and it ruins everything"
"Believe me, I wish I could just... wish away these sequels, but I can't."
You must not hesitate Lord Audience ! Show no mercy. Only then, will you have the power to do what is necessary. Only then will you have the power, to save Star Wars.
George Lucas to Disney:
"YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE!"
Have you heard the Tragedy of Darth Kennedy the Incompetent? I thought not. It's not a story Disney would tell the shareholders. It's an industry rumor. Darth Kennedy was a Dark Lord of Lucasarts, so powerful and so stupid she thought social justice could create life to a franchise… She had such a lack of knowledge of Star Wars, she couldn't even keep the saga Lucas cared about from dying.
pardon me, but I smell projection
TLJ subverted fan expectations. Now the fans are returning the favor to Disney/Lucas Films.
Ciatta Thompson that’s a good one, I’ll take that!
Ciatta Thompson ahahahhahahahahahaha
You are so lunatic ahahhahahahahaha
Yeah, we need to subvert Disney's expectations at the box office.
Yup, subverted expectations alright.... we expected a GOOD movie!
All these people reuniting for the final movie should be a celebration!... But I'm reality it's done in desperation. Damn Disney, go back to cartoons.
More like reuniting for a funeral.
The reuniting opportunity was squandered in EP7. It''s only in EP9 to get money out of fans Lucasfilm attacked online.
I wonder how many test audience members are there to try to convince them to make the most hilariously awful cut imaginable. The movie's not gonna be good, we're past that, but how entertaining can we make this trainwreck?
Oh, they did celebrate for the last film. All the way back in 1983.
I will say that I am a fan of Nu-Wars and I am anticipating SW9:TROS. I'm only joking around.
@@docinsano2747 Four funerals and no wedding.
Calling The Last Jedi a "dumpster fire" is an insult to dumpsters everywhere.
And fires. Don't forget fires. They have feelings, too.
Damn
DSW is the abortion of a shit-show inside a dumpster-fire.
I guess I was being nice when I referred to the movie as a "train wreck"!
R2 at this point is ASPIRING to some day becoming a dumpster fire.
Disney just needs to take blame and say, "Hey, we took a chance and we messed up, we are redoing Episode 8 to fix everything"
If it came to a do-over I'd rather they start with Episode 7 and make something original that expands the story rather than rehash with just another Empire, another Emperor, another Rebellion/Resistance and anther droid McGuffin.
"A map to Skywalker"?! Seriously?! I came up with better plots for my D&D campaign when I was a teenager!
@@RictusHolloweye nerd
@@ominosersudlander14888 - I certainly am!
And also no further death planets/stars please
This movie has got them worried and it shows.
Oh, I'm afraid the wokeness will be quite operational by the time your movie arrives...
@@2012sonora "There was literally no way to pull a good story out of the mess that Rian Johnson left"
I've seen a lot of people say that, and I don't get it. Snoke was a fucking stupid idea to begin with. I loved the fact that TLJ killed him off, because his very existence takes away from the uniqueness of Palpatine.
They should be worried
Wasn’t that the case of the previous one as well?
I’ll never understand how Disney managed to screw this up.
@@IndyDefense there were OTHER threats in the galaxy after Palpy, YUZHAN-WONG other dark Sith entities ,Rakata, Tyber Zahn etc....Other Sith Lords maybeeee ?! 🤷♂️
One ending should be a young Luke waking up from a nightmarish vision of the future and declines Ben Solo for training!
I was hoping that Finn wakes up from Bacta tank at start of ep.9 and HE WAS DREAMING ENTIRE SHITSHOW OF EPISODE 8. !!! That is only thing that can save this DUMPSTERFIRE/SHITSHOW/TRAINWRECK that started with Farce Awakens film...
@@jangounchained5279 No. Way better would be the opening where Luke tosses the lightsaber but uses the Force to bring it back. The Episode goes on where he trains her and leaves Achtoo to join the fight. Luke saw the future and changes it.
@nil bogg Gotta admit that would do it. JJ would make a lot of people happy. Then if Disney says the EU is canon that would be a big apology to the fans.
Nah he just saw the entire Sequel Trilogy in Kylo Rens mind and that's why he wanted to kill him, F U L L C I R C L E
@@SamTheMan0425 Do you think that instead of pulling out his lightsaber Luke should have woke him up and smacked some sense into him?
Is one of the endings just a fade out to the words “We’re Sorry”
No.
Because they are not sorry.
Please imagine the meme with Principal Skinner, with the text: Am I out of touch? No! It is the fans who are wrong!
If so, I'll have a single two word review.
Apology Rejected.
@@benh8657 Yeah, the reviews are going to be FAR more entertaining than the movie. I can hardly wait. :)
@Paul Nye Hate to break it to ya, but none of the children liked Episode 8 either.
Just start over where Force aweakens ended, call it alternative timeline and stretch it out into a Netflix series, the character would be given time to develoupe, star wars fans get more time in the star wars universe etc. instead of this crammed charicatures we got thus far.
What would "save" Star Wars for me is a rerelease of the original trilogy on DVD/Blu-ray, without the digital effects and other changes made in the 1990s and afterwards.
I am aware of the fan edits that restore the original trilogy as much as possible. I still want a rerelease of the original trilogy on DVD/Blu-ray, without the digital effects and other changes made in the 1990s and afterwards.
@@DarinMcGrew and you are probably not going to see it.
If they cared about it, they would redo 7 and 8.
There are better versions. I recommend Star Wars Revisited. It's a fan edit that improved special effects without changing the story.
I didn't think I could dislike Rian Johnson more, I was wrong.
Behold, the REAL roundhead manbaby..... Hollywood's most punchable face, am I right??
Why do people give Abrams so much credit? He has never been able to end a movie.
He now has 6 ways not to end a movie. His Mystery Box is now a Loot Box, oh wait, "Surprise Mechanic".
They should have handed it to J. Michael Straczynski . . . Ten times the writer, who is proven to know how to create arcs and write powerful endings and characters. And he could fix things on the fly when the real world intruded upon his overall story. Abrams is good at a basic ideas and a few plot points, but his endings always -- *always* -- fall flatter than month-old beer.
@@thatHARVguy and will all six be on the Blu-Ray release? Probably.
Except he isn't the only one writing it. So it's not all up to him.
Yeah, and he damn sure didn't end "Lost" well at all.
How can Rise turn out alright when we don’t care about the characters?
That didn't stop JJ from making an utterly piss poor Star Trek sequel either.
UK Coaster Fan
I enjoyed the first Star Trek reboot...are you talking about Star Trek Into Darkness?
Paul Guglielmetti
TLJ made me lose interest in the new characters and even what happens to the OT characters in IX...I’m guessing the OT characters will be disrespected yet again
Or the fact that bthere isd no story arc at all.
this is so true, no one cares about the new characters. i didnt realize at the time how bad the force awakens was, i just focused all my anger on the last jedi, i just kind of let the force awakens "remake" movie wash over me, but after re watching it a few more times its so poor, in character development and story.
If Disney had gotten rid of KK and Johnson, the fans would of given ep.9 a chance.
This. Johnson throwing out the script creates discontinuity with the story and the fans have noticed. They were relying on the passive carelessness of fans to get away with it and they miscalculated. Kathleen Kennedy is a SJW with an agenda and needs to be checked before Star Wars returns to greatness.
Absolutely - what Disney really needed to do was publicly (and LOUDLY) fire the people responsible for destroying Star Wars. The majority of fans absolutely detest Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson - if the president of Disney had come out and had a press conference and publicly commented on their terminations that would have rebuilt some good will. But by doubling down and keeping people like Kathleen Kennedy around, it just pisses the fans off even more. The whole of Episodes 7-9 just need to be scrapped and re-made with a completely new story, characters, directors, etc.
nah the damage is done
Agreed so would I. As long as those 2 are still attacked to Star Wars I wont go anywhere near it, and i'm a 40 year fan.
would have.
Contrary to the self-destructive and inexplicable tone-deafness of Disney, the dwindling interest of the fanbase in Star Wars since its multibillion dollars purchase from George Lucas is a rational consumer response.
Practically speaking, The Last Jedi was a branding/marketing "neutron bomb" which left Star Wars a desolate toxic wasteland of an IP. One of the greatest lessons I was blessed to learn under the tutelage of some of the best practitioners of brand management was legacy brands DO NOT belong to companies holding them but are the "property" of their supportive consumer bases. IP holders should act like "trustees" not "owners".
JJ Abrams may realize his involvement with Episode 9 has set him up to be the fall guy for Rian Johnson's and Kathleen Kennedy's colossally inept butchering of Star Wars. Rumors of reshoots and six different endings of Episode 9 if true, confirm the tragic consequence of how monumentally broken the Star Wars IP is like a proverbial Humpty Dumpty.
In my humble opinion as a decades-long fan of the Star Wars brand Disney's best course is to indefinitely postpone the theatrical release of Star Wars; The Rise of Skywalker and begin the public crucifixions of Mr. Johnson and Ms. Kennedy
I mean, JJ didn't really help much w/ TFA either. Let's not pretend that movie wasn't bad. Just not as a bad as Last Jedi.
It can be fixed.
@@MrNeutralizer Yeah. But unlike what we can read on the press most Star Wars fans are able of nuanced reaction. TFA felt like a Disney SW but I can watch the movie in DVD with my children. It feels like times had changed but TFA is better than no Star Wars for the next generation. On the other hand I can't watch TLJ. I know every scene of this mess from the dozen of review I watched. I was so desperate to find any hint that ppl truly overreacted. I can't stand what they've done to Luke Skywalker... I shed a tear seeing the behind the scene when mark Hamill cried on set.
scoopsmagoo I said it can be fixed. I could fix it.
I did not say if Chris Terrio ( _Batman v Supeman: Dawn of Justice_ ) and J.J.Abrams ( _Armageddon_ ) would think of the only solution.
First thing they need to do is cut out the injection of SJW themes.
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There has been no injection of SJW anything.
I have no idea how anyone can think Star Wars TLJ was social justice. I beg you to tell me ONE character (male or female) who made any good decisions in the entire movie. I also challenge you to tell me the plot/story of TLJ; what was that movie even about? First thing they need is a freaking STORY.
Max Covfefe
I think the theme was "learning from failure" and the story was a redemption arc for Luke and a belated exposition on the origin of Kylo.
In a way it is a remake of _Return of the Jedi_ except Luke fails to redeem Vader despite sensing that there is still good in him, Emperor dies. Because of this similarity, the Sequel Trilogy could be regarded as exploring similar scenarios to the Original Trilogy, but having Kylo choose the alternative outcome and not be redeemed. This puts _The Rise of Skywalker_ in uncharted territory, with the most likely outcome being that Rey has to kill Kylo after some considerable reluctance. Some fate of the galaxy stakes are needed to justify this action, so maybe Kylo is going to harvest the Kyber crystals that powered the destructive beam of the second Death Star and use them to equip a fleet of Super Star Destroyers with mini super weapons each of which can melt the surface of a planet. Kylo will be stopped before he gets around to constructing this enormous fleet, so the array of ships in the recent trailer was probably a vision of the future rather than something someone has got. Kylo does have the mini Death Star thing that he used to pierce the door of the old Rebel Base on Crait probably back aboard his ship, so I wouldn't put it past him to melt the surface of Pasaana in hopes he would kill Rey after she fled from their lightsaber battle, assuming she was still on the surface as the Millennium Falcon had left without her earlier. Kylo will be super evil and likely kill Rose as he tortures her to death for information on the location of the Resistance that she doesn't know, and this coupled with the genocide of the peaceful kite flying inhabitants of Pasaana should make even the strongest ReyLo 'shippers question the chances of their bad boy's chances for redemption. It will ultimately be revealed after Rey kills Kylo that Luke has to defeat the evil spirit that used him as its host after he killed its previous host, Snoke. This evil Sith Force Ghost would be Luke's grandfather, Darth Plagueis the Wise. Rey would eventually reunite with her parents, Luke and Mara Jade (who had given her daughter false memories and hidden her on Jakku from the corruptive influence of Snoke who wanted Luke's child to be his apprentice). Luke actually ignited his green lightsaber on seeing the evil spirit of Darth Plagueis haunting Ben Solo, but then Ben woke at the sound of this lightsaber being ignited and turned to defend himself and misconstrued the situation, incorrectly jumping to the conclusion that his uncle wanted to murder him in his sleep. Ben would then bring the ceiling stones down on Luke's head, leaving him with an impaired memory of the event, which he inferred that he must have suffered a moment of weakness, which was not the case. The couple of contradictory flashbacks in _The Last Jedi_ are by unreliable narrators so neither of them are true. This means that _Episode VIII_ largely serves as a clever misdirect to make audiences stop speculating that Rey is Luke's daughter and then be surprised when this predictable reveal is the case.
All I know is that I don't wanna see this movie, simply to avoid further disappointment.
Aaron Martinez
Speaking of labor, this sequel trilogy was not a labor of love...it was a cash grab devoid of inspiration
VietnamD0820 I don’t like it but I just can’t stand people who won’t give this movie a shot. Tfa was really decent and rogue one was amazing why can’t this
Aaron Martinez
If you want to see Rise Of Skywalker, I’m not trying to take your joy away...When I saw TFA, I really got excited for the episode 8...I couldn’t wait to see Luke Skywalker in action...then TLJ came out and it fell totally flat for me...I walked out of TLJ not caring about how this trilogy ends
Also, side note, I know I’m in the minority on this, but I found Rogue One boring...No exaggeration, it put me to sleep while I sat in an IMAX theater
Same. I don't get how people praise Rogue One so much. It was a snoozer up until the last 3/4. You could tell that movie had lots of reworkings...
@@aaronm4841 It may be a visually impressive spectacle that revels in Star Wars nostalgia, which is what it looks like they are going for, but I've lost all faith that they are gonna make an interesting movie that stands on its own. I mean their teaser trailer was mostly just shots from the old movies and TFA, the decent one, was just a rehash of all the coolest stuff in Star Wars in the first place.
When Hayden Christensen is roped in as a crowd pleaser...
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Hugh James-Berry Oh man if they use that line, even as a joke, I’ll leave the theater.
Eye Heart Sushi
You’re going to the theater to see Rise? Fuck that, see it for free when you can...that’s what I’m doing
Revan
That’s a good idea for anyone that doesn’t want to break the law by downloading a bootleg copy ✅
@@vietnamd0820 Heck, I'm not wasting my time watching it for free... I'm popping up a wikipedia page or watching a spoiler laden-ed video of the whole plot synopsis the day after the movie airs in the theaters.
THROW MORE SH*T AND SEE WHAT STICKS! QUICK!! Now that we've mostly gone through the various stages of grief, isn't it wonderful to be able to enjoy this car crash without the baggage?
@@therealsashagray A dead guy's fleet.
Ending 1: WOKE
Ending 2: Yawn
Ending 3: Tire
Ending 4: Drowse
Ending 5: Exhaust
Ending 6: SLEPT
Ending 7: disappointed fan base
Ending 8: Wept
"The internet as a focus group?" Oh yeah, that'll work. *eye roll*
Shane Brannon eye rolling, that’s a good trick!
"The internet as a focus group" ... claim based on nothing of any substance.
Well considering most people agree with hammill himself about the ill-treated luke, it would be more effective than their internal groups
I only watch these Star Wars TH-cam rumors videos to enjoy myself at the downfall that Disney has caused.
The TH-cam videos ripping The Last Jedi into little bloody bits were entertaining ... something The Last Jedi was not.
I expect the same will be true of The Rise of Skywalker.
I'm addicted! I can't wait for Kathleen Kennedy to get the boot.
sweet sweet schadenfreude
Me too...I'm like a highway looky-loo staring at the multi-car pile up
yep same here,its the well know "slowmo train wreck"happening in front of our eyes.
It's a dire situation. They wasted two movies to try and force the audience to love the new characters, but failed badly at creating any sense of stakes. The feminist messaging of having Rey beat everyone who opposes her within the scene has left us with a situation where the only question to be answered is 'how fast will she beat whatever the final boss of this dumb movie ends up being'. If they make it Palpatine, all that does is undermine all the previous movies as 'bringing in a woman to do the job properly' is the same tired trope that Hollywood has been trotting out with Ghostbusters, Batwoman, Captain Marvel, etc. These aren't well thought out concepts, just 'what if woman'... ok sure, but don't forget to write a story worth telling for your female protagonists to inhabit. And for god sakes the villains need to win most of the time and actually hurt them, or there's no sense of peril - a hero who is not at risk is a zero, like Rey.
Let's not forget the strong, independent general that is responsible for the death of most of the resistance members and had to sacrifice herself to save the rest. Which BTW, only worked, because the First Order was stupid enough not to do the sensible thing... again.
Which would be to shoot down the largest enemy ship first, just in case anyone wants to know what the sensible thing to do was.
@@grayscribe1342 You know it's not good when TFA and TLJ were falling apart before your eyes on the first viewing never mind when you went away to think about it! Leia was made into complete moron and Holdo is downright criminal and a traitor. The First Order was more concerned with their people than the Resistance was with their own.
Sidious wins and wins and wins for six movies straight until he is defeated. The only real setback was ANH and that wasn't even him but Tarkin and Vader and Vader is placing the blame on Tarkin!
@@grayscribe1342 No SJW would have thought of that lol
What REALLY stinks is that I actually like the "babes that kick butt" genre. If they would have just respected SW lore and given Rey proper character growth, KK would have gotten everything she was after. This whole plow the plane into the mountain of a trilogy just to make a point could have been avoided. Now the only SW that exists for me is Ep. I thru VI, Clone Wars and even RO.
Last Jedi was a hydrogen bomb to the franchise. One good movie will not fix that.
You wont get a " good movie " from Abrams. You will get more recycled, rehashed material like you did with TFA.
So basically they have no idea what they’re doing. That explains a lot.
@Jangler333 They actually are leftist only on social rights; on economics they're centrist at best. That's what American "liberals" are. The term actually means a wide range of position but the Dem have used it to play the "I'm leftist"-card while remaining right wingers. And the GOP became more conservative, since they now call themselves "conservatives". I guess that sounds cool.
We already knew this. Have you seen the 1st 2 movies? 😂
1. Bring Luke back to life
2. Have him use his green lightsaber
3. Have him rip a star destroyer out of the sky
All is forgiven
I want acknowledgement that they screwed up and apology that they green light the verbal/social media abuse of the fans.
@@itrthho one can only dream right :D saying that SW is in trouble is the closest they will ever come to it or firing KK as head of lucasfilm and appointing filoni as head
As long as tlj still considered canon, NO
Remember when starkiller did that in the force unleashed? That was so fucking awesome
@@Will-xt9gj NO that stunt is now considered non canon, UBER REY will dew it
Get rid of JJ, Kennedy and her writing team. Please hire some of the EU authors and directors/editors that are fans of their works.
Hopefully some market research bot reads this.
This. The problem is the writing and the rot has to be removed from the top down.
Kennedy doesnt have a writing "team". The story group dont write scripts thats jj and rian.
Then what did the 6/8 female writing team do? web.archive.org/web/20190105031858/www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html
Honestly I would have Dave filloni direct and produce tros. I this k he's better than JJ.
Why didn't they do a Mara Jade story or what's Asoka been up to...she's an alien, who's to say she doesn't age slowly... either of those would've been so much more interesting....
The damage is too great. The Rise of Skywalker cannot fix what The Last Jedi did to Luke's character. The entire trilogy has completely negated the purpose of the original trilogy and the things all those characters fought for by resetting the universe back to square one. Han Solo can not be redeemed from the hapless bum with the smuggler's life that he returned to in The Force Awakens. Leia's actress is gone, and her ability to have a significant effect on this last film is now considerably limited, and we STILL have not heard a single apology or admission of guilt concerning Lucasfilm's reaction to fan dissatisfaction surrounding episode eight.
Whether 'The Rise of Skywalker' turns out to be a good movie or not, I'm no longer interested in the story, nor the characters that remain. Even if it turns out to be something exceptional, Star Wars is now permanently scarred unless they scrap everything Disney has done and try again.
@Gravivector One could only hope. Unfortunately: A- Everyone would have to be re-cast. Something I suppose I could live with, but it wouldn't be quite the same. B- Unless Zahn is personally involved in the scripting, I don't think Disney/Lucasfilm currently has skilled enough writers able to pull it off. Even WITH Zahn he's not a screenwriter, and may not be able to properly adapt his stories. And frankly... I'm not sure I WANT Disney to screw with those stories. I'd rather remember them with fondness.
Luke should be perfect and flawless?
@@MrEvol94 Luke was never perfect, nor was he flawless, but he was determined, hopeful, and capable. All three aspects of which were stripped from him. He was also responsible, at least he learned to be. Apparently though he turned into a decrepit old hermit who seemed to have full knowledge of a dark sith influencing his students, made one mistake, and ended up turning a potential scourge of the galaxy loose. Instead of realizing that he was responsible for Kylo's rampage and that he was likely the only person who could possibly stop him and without even ATTEMPTING to fix said mistake, he decided to screw off into some unknown part of the galaxy, hide himself away like a coward, and leave the Galaxy to deal with the problem he caused and give up on the child of his best friend and sister who he clearly didn't have the guts to face any longer.
No... I'm perfectly fine with Luke being flawed and imperfect. I'm NOT okay with Luke being the exact antithesis of everything he stood for and built himself up to be in the original trilogy.
@@MrEvol94 It seems to me that it is Rey that is perfect and flawless. Luke never was. He was bratty in the OT until he finally matured.
That's because we don't deserve an apology. What should they apologize for exactly? For trying their best to make a good, original star wars movie for everyone to enjoy but unintentionally coming up a little short in the end for a lot of people because the ppl who worked on the movie are human and ppl make mistakes and it's impossible to please everybody especially with a franchise as beloved, popular, and nostalgic as Star Wars making a divisive film nobody agrees on is almost a guarantee. Also resetting it to square 1 is a good thing because if he didn't then there is literally nowhere else to go with the franchise besides repeating the exact same things/copying the originals and if you're gonna just do that then there isn't even any point in making "New" movies in the 1st place. Plus I don't care what anybody says about Rian Johnson, he's 1 of the most talented young writer/director working today and every movie he's ever made has proved that. His movies are better on average than like 80% of the garbage that comes out every single year, and I'd put him in the top 10-20% of directors working today no question if you look at the consistent quality of the stuff he's done and the consistent not-quality of stuff made by the average writer/director. Even his worst movie the Last Jedi fucking crushes the prequels easy, no question in terms of overall quality and entertainment level, and whoever doesn't agree with that is either not being objective, are being swayed by their own personal bias and emotions, or they just don't know enough about what makes a good film (Writing/directing/dialogue/themes/style/choreography/acting/cinematography/skill/talent/imagination/creativity/etc.) And Disney fucked up big time by not letting him do his own trilogy and firing him but keeping those 2 idiots from GOT who are obviously complete hacks unless they have someone actually talented to copy off of who's holding their hands. I just don't get why people freak out so damn bad about the last jedi/Rian Johnson, it makes no sense to me. They literally act like it's 1 of the most terrible things mankind has ever seen and it's just so bad that it boggles the mind when even with all of it's many mistakes taken into account it's still better than the vast majority of shit that comes out every single year and is so far away from being as bad as they make it out to be that it's honestly ridiculous. But whatever, I'm Gay so what do I know....
The damage is already done.
So basically, they have no vision for this movie at all.
The only thing that can fix this is to wipe the last Jedi out of existence and make it again.
but they cant and thats why its shit, johnson and kennedy made sure this would be a shit show
That would have been great, but han and Leia are out. Disney missed that opportunity. They really could have made something amazing. Too bad they destroyed a franchise instead.
Don't erase Marcia Lucas. She saved Star Wars in the edit bay.
monopolfilms Yes. She is given very little credit!
Lucas saved Star Wars by creating the whole thing
@@gc3k No disrespect to GL, but Brian dePalma saw the first cut and said it was "unwatchable". Marcia created the second trench run, she created the entire sequence of the Rebel base being in danger from the Death Star using unused takes from the destruction of Alderaan. That's why those sequences are so similar. She encouraged GL not to cut the kiss for luck, Chewy growling at the mouse droid, and some of the other memorable character moments of the film. My point is that GL is better with collaborators...that's why EMPIRE is the best film..he didn't direct it, but was managing the big picture.
There is this stupid narrative infecting the Internet that an editor for Star Wars did something that no other editor has ever accomplished in a movie, and it's total horse shit.
Marcia Lucas did a fantastic job, and that can't be understated. Lucas imagined Star Wars, and that cannot be understated.
Everyone has their job in a movie production. Editors "save" virtually every movie ever made that involves a production team. Marcia doesn't deserve to be elevated any more than the actors, the casting director, the special effects team, the writer, director, music composer etc etc etc
Where would Star Wars be without Peter Cushing, Alec Guiness, James Earl Jones? Without John Williams? Without sound mixer Ben Burtt who gave lightsabers the iconic sound. They and the rest of the crew ALL saved Star Wars
YES, she got the Oscar for Star Wars, not George, and only the 2nd woman ever to win one for editing at the time. The rough edit compared to the finished product are like night and day. She did indeed save it. Then she walked away from him and George tried erasing her, he must have loved her very much to be hurt so badly.
What a train wreck. Rian really messed this franchise up.
And Kathleen.
@Natasel I guess eiger want to blame a bad Ep9 result on her and look good by firing her and then he can claim that the new TV series were his ideas and are the future. Also there wa the ongoing Fox merger - would not look good if you fire KK while it was going on.
I hope this movie ends both JJ AND Rian's careers.
Paul Eckert oh cmon it started with Jew Jew and his gay ass hack job of TFA
Rian may have made a worse movie, but the franchise died at TFA’s opening crawl.
I can't see any way to unfuck Star Wars, short of publicly firing Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson, and retconning TLJ.
Things will get better. I hope.
Have to agree
TFA wasn’t really a gem of cinema either. They never should have relied on nostalgia at all and left the old film alone.
Jeffrey Klein but not exactly offensive if you ask me, i can certainly live with it
Only way to fix TLJ is cut to Luke waking from a force dream and complete remove TLJ as real
Saving a movie in editing:
It can be done, but it’s pretty rare... much better to have some clear idea going in.
A handful of good movies have been pulled out of editors’s asses, but all *great* movies (without exception) began as great scripts.
The original Star Wars was saved in the edit though.
Nicolino Will indeed, and that was covered in the “handful of good movies” to which I referred. You might be able to infer from this (and the fact that I put the word “great” in bold) that I do not consider Star Wars to be a great film. Well, I guess you couldn’t infer that, otherwise I wouldn’t be explaining it now, but that’s neither here nor there. In my opinion, Star Wars was a cultural phenomenon unlike anything we’d seen, and being 9 in 1977, it was one of my favorite things in the world. But I regard it as a good movie, not a great one.
@@Nicoder6884 yup.
Kathleen Kennedy to Abrams: "You have failed my young apprentice" hissssssss
TlJ broke the franchise to badly, it would take a full erasing of that abomination to get back on track.
Does it help that we have not seen a single hint of the absolutely worthless Rose Tico in the trailers? I loathe that character more than any other, including kid Anakin and Jar Jar Binks, and I feel sorry for the poor woman who played her. One thing that would really fix Episode 9 for me is seeing her revealed as an Imperial agent. Probably not going to happen, but still... it would be juicy.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu tlj has me me craving some jar jar
One movie did not ruin everything
@@thedarkapex5327 It made life much more difficult for the makers of Ep. 9, for sure. If M.E. are to be believed, it completely derailed the storyline, for sure. It did the franchise immense damage, for sure. But no, it did not ruin everything.
Oh bore off and make your own franchise
The movie is going to be a f****** mess the only way to save this s*** show it's to apologize to the fans that they disrespected have Luke Skywalker wake up from a dream that was the nightmare that Disney brought and redo the rest
Frank Castle
And that’s not gonna happen, so I’m sitting this one out
Yep. Redo episode 8 or bust.
Firing KK would also help.
They disrespect Admiral Ackbar, Chewbecca and C3PO as well
@@homeboyteddyisaliar Redo Episode 7 which was crap to start with.
God they are so damn desperate after saying they want to kill the past. May they fail significantly!!!
ooPHOENIXoo let them know their pride is their undoing 😎
Tbf it was Kylo who said that and Rey obv didn’t go along with it. I don’t think that’s a theme in the the movie. When you have the themes “Save the animals” and “we win by saving what we love” what more could you want?
@@GlitteringToothpaste would you please tell that to all the dumb journalists and fans of that stupid f**king movie, I don't even like it and I get that bit
Kill the past, doom the future.
what did God have to do with it?
HATE IT OR LOVE IT THE LAST JEDI BROKE STAR WARS. This is a FACT
Unidentified Warfighter No it’s not, it’s opinion.
Greg Williams Actually it’s a fact. There are too many scenes for me to even want to type out, that completely nullify past actions in the movie or break established rules. Just look at the fan base dude. It’s broken. Fact. Financial gains after the last Jedi, broken. Fact.
J Money LOL ok then. I seem to be the only Star Wars fan who has opinions, whereas everyone else speaks in facts.
I guess I’d be factually incorrect to say I like the last Jedi, as I’m not allowed to like it, cos it’s apparently a fact that it’s bad
@@Greggorious123 You can like it, but it's still a shit movie. Without listing all the reasons why it's bad, here is a bit of anecdotal evidence. Full disclosure I LOVED Star Wars. OG trilogy, Prequels, Books, comics, Video games everything. My wife likes action movies and is okay with star wars but not a big fan. We saw TLJ with the kids and ten minutes in I was ready to leave, but I bit my tongue and kept quiet, only making a sarcastic quip when I saw the holdo outmaneuver. So following the conclusion I looked over and asked my wife what she thought and without any prompting she started laughing and said "That was bad." Tangent here, but that further confirmed all the reasons why I love that woman. lol. The movie was just bad. It amazes me because I am not a hyper critical fan. I can and have forgiven plenty of blunders but this was a god awful mess of a movie. The ways in which this failed are equivalent to a major league hitter getting served a 70mph lob only to whiff the ball faceplant and tear his Achilles.
Again you can love the movie flaws included and I am not going to tell you that you are wrong or somehow responsible for the fall of civilization, but can we just agree that you like a bad movie? Can you at least admit that it has a myriad of narrative problems?
Kathleen Kennedy broke Star Wars. Whatever fallout occurred after The Last Jedi's release was planted well in advance of The Force Awakens ever being written.
I loved Star Wars my whole life. I enjoyed TFA, and LOVED Rogue One. TLJ was the first time I walked out of a theaters after Watching Star Wars thinking... "Did I like that? I don't think I did."
I really want Episode 9 to fix the issues 8 brought up. I WANT Star Wars to be great. I REALLY hope Disney actually looked at all the feedback they got.
I choose to hold on to hope.
Good luck with that. I mean that too.
Will TROS fix Star Wars? No.
Star Wars can be fixed, but it will take the efforts of passionate and creative people to fix it, not a corporate system relying on a hodgepodge of ideas with damage control being foremost.
The sequel trilogy is already ruined. The only way Star Wars can recover is a new movie series with talented writers. There are very few of those in Hollywood.
Disagree. It can't be fixed. It's not Star Trek to where you can just say 7, 8 and 9 never happened. Han and Luke are dead and their character's assassinated and Carrie Fisher is dead. Disney had one shot given the realities of the age and health of the hero trio and they screwed it up.
Even if there were such people why would they work for Disney? RJ and D&D are the ones.
Agreed, Disney star wars is dead. But we can still hold onto the old cannon until Disney sales it back to George for pennies. Long live the OG sequel trilogy: The Thrawn trilogy!
I'm going to point to another series that was derailed and came back.
Highlander was a cult classic movie that many people wrote in begging for a sequel. Highlander 2 was complete and utter garbage. It makes TLJ look like a competently made film. Everyone assumed that it was the end to the series before it got out of the gate.
However, a TV series was started and it completely ignored the events in Highlander 2. The series was popular enough to make it to 6 seasons and I believe 3 more movies were produced.
It is possible for Star Wars to come back. They will have to ignore the sequel trilogy. I also think that we can't expect this to turn around with the current leadership of Lucasfilm and probably Disney.
@@TookyG
Agreed. Disney had a window of opportunity with the original cast and they blew it. Hamil wanted it and lamented, on 'what could have been' in a Tweet, but was blasted by the Social Justice Disney Drones. The terrible way they handled the whole franchise has been a nightmare for fans and now Disney is worried and they're scrambling to fix things. Total incompetence.
Reshoots? In September 2019? and it comes out December 2019?
Never a good sign....
Dude, it did work for Solo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Avengers endgame did some big reshoots as well. It’s not that uncommon.
@@Willowy13 Did it really though?
Endgame had reshoots 7 weeks before release
Not surprised, this is a life or death scenario for Star Wars as a franchise. Not that anything can undo the damage caused by Rian Johnson's "The Last Jedi".
Sell it back to Lucas. Let him restart the franchise at TFA and do it with filoni. Bank.
Damn right.Filoni and James Luceno
Uto Resa 519 and Timothy Zahn while we’re at it. Might as well get the whole dream team
Lucas stated in 2016 that he was afraid he wouldn't live long enough to finish a sequel trilogy, so he sold his franchise. It would have taken him a decade to make 3 more movies because he's that much of a perfectionist.
Kirk Powers I thought he already had the groundwork for 7 and 8 and most of 9 in 2014?
@@hopefullyanonymous3466 I guess the problem would have been an extensive preproduction phase and a gap of 3 years between the episodes.
Disney: "We're testing six different endings for Rise of Skywalker!"
Me: "Do they all involve an unlikable female British protagonist who can't fight?"
Disney: "Well... Yes, bu-"
Me: *HARD PASS*
The Rise of Skywalker simply can't "turn out alright".
It's not a standalone movie, it's the final part of the trilogy.
I would compare it to a part of the sinking ship that has a gaping hole in the middle, and here we are, asking ourselves "but what if that part of the vessel we have not seen is actually OK?"
Does it matter if the engine room is OK, if the ship is sinking?
Love the clever analogy used, well done!
Agreed, accurate analogy.
And if it does turn out good what then?
You cant say it cant because it can
@@thedarkapex5327 , even if it is a decent final film, the damage is already done. It could be another Solo, more financially successful but still a non billion dollar winner or profit making after all these extra costs and likely protection of the film by Disney.
No, it will be a disaster because they're trying to please people like you who think the sequels need to be "fixed". You can't write a good film by focusing on pleasing fans. TV shows have gone downhill doing this. They should've stuck with their plan, whether people liked it or not. I loved TLJ, but I know RoS is going to be an unholy mess, because they are trying to please you all, which can't be done. That horse has left the barn. You all say there's nothing they can do to "fix" it or make it up to you, so why bother? Just try to make the best movie you can, JJ, and let the chips fall where they may. Now, NO ONE will like the movie, not even those who liked TLJ, because it'll suck!
The Star Wars Brand(tm) can't begin to heal until Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy are no longer employed at Disney
yes yes yes yes
Disney should just sell it
LOL ok
Also Fired JJ Abrams...
I'd rather if they only fired JJ Abrams
Agree with his vision or not, at least George Lucas HAD a vision. This movie making by committee that Disney is doing that tanked the new Muppet series BEFORE it started shooting is affecting Star Wars.
Good point. This is the best argument against people that want to make excuses for the sequels by saying that the prequels were just as bad.
TBF, Kennedy did have a vision, "The Force is Female." It's just stupid and shows that she was never an artist or understood art. Lucas is an artist, negative connotations and all. He made weird stuff and Star Wars happened to pay off and as weird as his art is, he is true to it and that conveys truth on screen. Kennedy had propaganda on the mind and the movies reflect propaganda where the story HAS to tell you the good guys are good, the bad guys are bad, and it can't be questioned ever.
@@denisl2760 The prequels ARE bad. But they're an enjoyable kind of bad. Like you can see the thought process that went into making them, appreciate it and feel like they actually somewhat fit into the cohesive of the overall narrative of episodes 1-6, the (relatively small) benefit of having one guy behind the chair and having an ultimate end goal set up for you in RotJ by the time RotS is made. But these recent films have been an absolute dumpster fire filled with tires and it feels like Disney has just been using Star Wars like it's been using Marvel (as well as it's other held properties)... "Merchandising! Merchandising! Merchandising!"
@@Drac0blade16 The prequels are okay stories told badly. The sequels are horrible stories told with maximum lens flare.
@@djolds1 Precisely.
Honestly they should’ve went big and redid The Last Jedi, at least I would respect them for fixing a big mistake.
RoC 77 yes , they should’ve done a recut especially with Carrie dying. Kylo has great development in tlj, that’s it and even that shoulda been better. From the start it should have been the child of Luke vs child of Han and leia. They borrowed from the last comic Star Wars- non Disney heavily for tfa- look it up. Here’s what would’ve helped .... lightsabers... people love lightsabers!!! People now are loving the prequels why cuz of lightsabers and duels! That’s why so many people are SW fans in the first place-the lightsaber! What happened to all the lightsabers the Jedi had and backups they had ala aotc??? Yet we get praetorian guards with pseudo light whips and swords/staffs that light up but are a solid object....wtf??? Ree Ann Johnson I hate you and hope you a miserable life worse than Corey hame, KK I wish MM never let you whisper or fullnon dive into his big ears... you are a pathetic human who lied to Lucas . He was supposed to be a consultant who had heavy sway on the trilogy and right after the deal was finalized they said oh great idea but yeah...... we’re not gonna go with it(even though this is your world build-kinda, he stole a lot from dune1965 Herbert) read the Star Wars , it was Lucas first script and heavily leaned on herberts dune. To the point where they had great houses . I digress, empire is the best, but number two to me is rots, some things could’ve been better but whatever. At least it was extremely fun seeing it in the theater and honestly the prequels have better rewatchability to me than the originals because of all the moving piece. Politics, war, duels, philosophy, & a love story. Idk what this Disney logy has given us other than Kylo ren who is represented fantastic, poster child for milenials, cool helmet, lightsaber that actually prevents one from losing a Han! But not knowing if Rey is his relative by now kills any love story. Unless we’re going Lannister rules then fair game... Disney did hire the double ds for the next trilogy. So in finality, sjw, pc, and twincest/familycest we, that’s what Disney seems to be cool with. FKK FRJ idk jj make it right or FJJ.& FTR-wrestling fans will get it
To Hell with Star Wars! I'm more excited for Rambo! The fact that I utter those words in the year 2019, blows my mind !
It’s dead, Jim!
“Star Wars Episode 9: No Hope!”
Can they just pick the one that makes it end the quickest?
Hahaha. The best Version would be if thy just have Luke wake up say I had a terrible nightmare and end it after 5 min
That’d be the movie being erased from existence.
Opening Scene: Rey and Kylo fighting on the Death Star Shard. Rey kills Kylo. Palpatine shows up, Rey thinks of turning bad, is like "naw, Dawg," cuts Sheev in half (length-wise).
Roll Credits.
Renegade.99 Lol! Excellent!
No. Don't make it THAT easy for Disney/Lucasfilm. They made this mess, and now they have to take responsibility for it.
I've been saying: The force awakens was weak, but had some potential plot threads to be expanded on.
TLJ just... Killed it all.
A lot of the issues could have been fixed. Quick example: have Kylo stomp Rey in a fight. Emphasise how he IS a serious threat, and that he only lost in TFA because he was wounded. But nope... There is no reason to care about Kylo, because he's pathetic in comparison to MaRey Sue.
Tlj aka one movie did not destroy it all
Thats why i like TFA at first, the first order seemed like a threat, hux seemed to want blood, who was snoke? ... This is interesting, how will things go with kylo?, why is rey so strong?, how will thingd develop with rey and fin?, poe seems like a likeable character what action star fights will he bring?. Where is luke? Cant wait to see him.
There was so much to look forward to with TLJ and it was ruined, TLJ was crap and its made TFA a worser film.
I strongly disagree about TFA. It was unlike ANH-ROTS in terms that it was filmed like act 1 of a full story instead of part 1 of a trilogy, but it did a great job introducing new characters, an overall grand plot, and catching us up with the original characters. It was a fun movie and was well received and left the fan base in a much healthier place than after the prequels.
Also Kylo losing to Rey in TFA was totally justifiable given the circumstances TFA place Kylo in. Snoke even has a line about Kylo needing to complete his training. Which let's the audience know Kylo wasn't at full strength during the fight on top of being wounded, being conflicted(after killing his father), and lastly taking it easy on Rey in an attempt to recruit her.
@@thaThRONe that's the biggest load of bullshit reasoning I've ever seen. You're actually gonna try to say that someone trained by Luke, and then later by Snoke and whatever other dark side forces, was beaten by someone who had never picked up a light saber before because his training wasn't complete?? And which is it, he willingly lost or not? Can't be both.
If their goal is to get me to want more Star Wars after this they already succeeded. I want more Star Wars. I just want it from someone who understands and respects both the franchise and the fanbase
I cringe every time Simon Pegg is quoted as saying anything Star Wars related.
Episode XI: The Rise of the Frankenstein
LOL! Apt.
Mr Off Topic Frankenstein’s monster you mean? Poor Frankenstein. He tried his best. Unlike this shower.
The true name of this monstrosity of a franchise.
The re-re-rise of Frankenstein's Bride!
@@nicholasdickens2801 Yep. "Frankenstein's monster" didn't sound as good thought.
Yeah, I'm done with Star Wars. It was great while it lasted. But these people at Disney have no clue what made Star Wars great. That much I am certain of.
@vilod I'm done with Disney's Star Wars too. They don't know what they're doing because they don't have a vision. George Lucas spent years of hard work and dedication developing Star Wars. That type of passion will never come again.
Your not done, it's been 4 years since Force Awakens and you are still here.lol..
I haven't watched any Star Wars since TLJ. That movie completely killed the magic for me. I really don't think I can get it back.
Jonesy Wales It’s dead for me too. I just play kotor from time to time now. That’s the only star wars exposure i get besides watching youtube videos like this.
Same here. I haven't seen Solo and having seen The Rise of Skywalker trailer i'd have to say i want to see this movie even less now if thats even possible. Bringing back dead characters for nostalgia kills it even more, that just tells me Disney has nothing to work with.
Yeah, same here. I can’t even watch the original trilogy anymore. All the joy has been sucked out of it.
TFA actually killed it for me so I did not watch a crappier TLJ based on what I have heard.
@@whatevergoesforme5129 I couldn't agree more. To accept movies like that I would have to rework my mind and learn to love crud!
They should do like Wayne’s world and show all the endings.
The last Jedi was the Scooby-Doo ending
Yeeeeessssss!!!!
Since Disney 'broke' the brand, unless there is a complete change of creative control, I doubt they have the self-awareness to 'fix' it.
There's an easy fix...Luke and his nephew wake up from a force induced dream and realize that Star Wars 7 and 8 never happened!!!!!!!!!
No one cares about Rey, no matter she's a Skywalker or Palpatine it's too late. So they have to use nostalgia to save the movie and bring in a new hero and another villain(s) beside Kylo because he was beat by Rey in the first movie and second I'm not paying to see 9 to see her beat him again.
That's a good point about how Kylo's been beat twice now. The story of this trilogy so far seems to be: bad guys build up enormous power. Good guys win against huge odds and annihilate everything the bad guys have created. Then next movie the bad guys are back and just as powerful as before. The cycle repeats. There's no sense of progression like in the original trilogy, partly because the First Order is so badly defined. We have no idea how big they were at the start of TFA or how big they are at the end of TLJ. Did the good guys accomplish anything significant at all?
@@Kevin_Street no, all we know is no matter what the Resistance have Rey can beat them the FO.
I guess there was some of that grind in the original trilogy. The Emperor and his obsession with Death Stars. But the main characters had interesting subplots that moved forward in believable ways, and that was what gave us a sense of progression. We wanted to learn more about the characters, and see them win. That's what they're really missing in this trilogy.
I care about Rey, but I don't want some stupid pandering ending to try and make those who hated TLJ happy.
@@tb4522 I don't care for Rey she did it all in the first Film . She found Luke's saber then beat the wannabe Vader with no training and never held a light saber. She got with Han and Leia, and got them back together. She beat their spoiled son and taught him a lesson. They spread their feminists agenda good woman don't need no man to tell her what to do. She found Luke without his help, beat his wannabe Vader nephew. Helped free the black storm trooper running from his master FO. Rey became a Jedi in spirt with no training did the mind trick with no training wow.
We done with her, please no more Rey.
Disney has turned one the most successful franchises in film history into a complete dumpster fire??!! They should put the people in charge of the Clone Wars and Rebels animated shows in charge of Star Wars.
I´ve been telling for Years they should replace KAthleen K. with Dave Filoni.
He doesn´t have to do everything and propably still would provide female characters and directors and so on, but would also make sure storywise everything makes sense and feels like Star Wars.
Art Jervis Dave Filoni was George’s hand pick to handle SW creative. He was being mentored by George and gets SW more than anyone under KK.
@@amfitness5598 Sadly even Filoni couldn't save the ruin that was once Star Wars
_"I've cut this board 5 times... and it's still too short"._
*Di$ney's process on making Star Wars movies.*
I’m not sure if you’re aware that your quote was actually said by a construction worker helping to build one of the telescope domes atop Mauna Kea that rises nearly 14,000 ft above sea level. The response was to bring him down to a lower altitude ASAP.
@@fohpono8884
At least he had the excuse of altitude sickness and oxygen deprivation.
I've worked in industrial and commercial construction for 30 years as and Electrician and Welder. I've seen similar things occur at less than 1000' ASL... Granted, it's usually the FNG, but I've seen Veteran Tradesmen _"have one of those days"._
Ugh, The Last Jedi made Attack of The Clones look like a masterpiece.
It's too late and the damage is irreversible...Han is dead, Luke is dead and Carrie Fisher has sadly passed, there is nothing that can be done to fix the ST
SC Reviews made a huge connection for me...hyperspace ramming has REALLY put a BIG burden on future space battle logic in the SW universe and that ROS has to be able to explain why it won't be used as a weapon in the future...why didn't I put this together before? What a mess...
That is indeed something I and others have been saying since it happened. Its the biggest change to canon in the film, allowing them to weaponize hyperspace like that. Even outside legends, in Rebels, a show produced by disney itself, Hyperspacing into a solid object will have you 'phase' through it instead. There are explanations for it, like say the Hyperspace Tracker was partially in Hyperspace, allowing for the collision or something, but even then, it's going to take time from a story that already has a lot of ground to cover to establish that.
What? SW isnt irreversably damaged
One movie can't damage it all
Yes unfortunately these characters and carrie have passed but that doesn't destroy star wars
@@thedarkapex5327 The problem here is, they introduced a super weapon, that literally everyone has, and with no limits shown on screen. The Hyperspace ram changes all of Star Wars, if you can turn an X-Wing(Which we know can have a hyperdrive even in films, because Luke's does), into a missile at light speed, then how are you going to have battles anymore? Heck, shields couldn't even defend the Supremacy, the largest non-starbase ship in the SW canon at this point.
And the filmmaker's themselves, at the very best, have said that this wouldn't work....because it wouldn't work. Not really a reason, because they don't have one, because the whole point was, it looked pretty, throw it in, and damn the consequences. They screwed up a lot, but this addition is the one that most damages what came before, and what comes after, and if JJ does not address it in any way, just choosing to ignore it, then he's already lost.
@@SageofStars no offense but a hyperspace ram being a thing certainly doesn't ruin star wars or the new movies lol
@@thedarkapex5327 Oh but it does. Why should anyone fight those epic space battles anymore, when you can just load a droid brain(Which in this continuity we have seen pilot ships on their own), and have them slam into the enemy? You can respond with, well then why don't they just all build death star lasers, but then, old canon actually answered that, in several ways(And new canon does too, though they seem to be ignoring it).
If you're curious, old canon said it was just really expensive. Like the Hutts, the Cartels? They had to pump what was literally half their organization's funds from several years into a project called Dark Saber to build just the gun part of the Death Star, and even then, they screwed it up, both because people found out about it, and they hired cheap contractors who skimmed from the top, and built a subpar product. New Canon just says the Death Star's main gun required Kyber Crystals, and a lot of them, which is why the Emperor was raiding all those temples and Jedi Store Houses.
Meanwhile, a hyperdrive? Those are loaded onto fighters, cheap, disposable fighters, that can now be filled with explosives, or just heavy materials, and then rammed into the enemy. Why wouldn't someone do this? A waste of resources? How is it that? We saw how powerful the Raddis slamming into the Supremacy was, taking out not just the big ship, but over a dozen other ships, all the same size. That's a hell of a kill/loss ratio by ship size.
"we must warn you that the following information cannot be independently verified"
thereby making Midnight's Edge MORE journalistic than any main stream media outlet.
The damage is too great to fix it.
When the “I don’t like sand” scene has more depth and complexity than all of the Sequel Trilogy combined
I would rather listen to a recording of Anakin preforming impromtu arthouse poetry about sand than watch any of this Disney shit. All of this while being hit with a sandblaster in my eyes.
From what I understand, the reshoots for “Rogue One,” while certainly qualifying as extensive, didn’t seem to cause the final film to undergo a complete 180° change. It seemed to merely change certain ways characters interacted with each other and HOW the film progressed from A to Z.
The reshoots for so many other films (F4, Justice League, Solo, etc) seemed to cause massive changes that made those films a jumbled, unblended mess.
The biggest reason Rise or Skywalker can’t save Star Wars is because the world building is so atrocious they have destroyed any interest in the post RotJ timeline. Their only hope is to make a massive time jump, then make a trilogy on par with the OT. Then and only then might they became viable again. But even then Star Wars will never be what Star Wars was pre Disney.
Dude star wars is same even before the purchase of Disney prequels got so much hate that sequels are getting now there is not much difference so nothing to worry about
JJ Abrams can’t really say the truth; “Yes, Rian Johnson f**ked things up big time.” I mean politically he can’t say “Disney/Lucasfilm screwed up.” Which is exactly what happened.
*Sigh, focus groups my ass. Why?… why?
I don't think it would be fair for JJ to say that Rian fucked things up. It's fair for us to say so, but not for JJ. He made a pretty good mess himself by not planning the trilogy out properly and created a lot of missing story elements that had "to be fixed later" over them. I did like TFA (though far less now after analyzing it), but that movie set the whole series up for failure.
Mind you, I'm not making excuses for Rian. He may have been excused if he had just chosen not to fix the problems inherited from TFA and just passed them on to the last movie, but he basically quintupled them up.
@@Crystalgate dude jj did planned things for sequels and gave them to Rian and trevarrow but Rian didn't consider them and made his own plots which became a mess and trevarrow left due to creative issues so they went back to jj to complete this it would have been a better trilogy if JJ would have directed all the 3 movies
I agree with you on jj can't diss Rian because he's a colleague
@@narenbaradwaj5058 Yes, he had some plans, but seemingly not enough and the first movie did not set up for the remaining two properly. There were things that should have been covered already in TFA, most pressingly how the heck the first order got that powerful, but were left out. They could have been covered in a later movie, but doing so in a way that feels natural and flows well within the narrative is harder than doing it in the first movie. A second movie will have its own challenges, so saddling it with burdens that the first movie should have carried on top of its own burdens means the second writer has to be much more skilled than the first writer to pull it off. So, if JJ wrote all three sequels, he'd have to be better than himself. Granted, it would still have been much better than what Rian did, but I'm fairly sure there would have been a big problem once the third movie hits and JJ would have to tie everything together.
Edit by committee is bad enough, but edit by internet reaction is even worse!
Next thing you know they end up with "Sithy McSithface" as the main bad guy lol.
@@denisl2760 Or Darth Urderer.
Never trust the internet to make your decisions for you, I thought everyone understood that.
Snake Plissken We already had two Sithy McSithFaces. Their names were Darth Maul and Snoke. Lol
Nothing matters anymore, if people boycott it, they will false fill the theaters like they did with Captain Marvel
This youtube video was more entertaining than Episode 8.
Johnson/Abrams defiled Star Wars so bad I don't think anybody can save it or should save it.
Force Awakens was meh but The Last Jedi really tanked the whole series. I dont see how this can ever be redeemed. We all know they're going to be pick a shitty ending and for now all we can do is watch in horror
Children are no longer into Star Wars?! How can this be? Who would have thought teaching young boys, men are terrible and have absolutely no one to look up to in the New Trilogy and have tainted the legacy characters of the original Trilogy.
I am just at a total loss as to what Disney is doing wrong.
And let's not forget who the parents paying for the movie tickets and merchandise are in many cases. Old fans.
Pass.
I'll spend my time and money on something else.
Jamaji 2 thats what im giving my cash to!!
I've already told the Mrs. that I do not want to see ROS in the theater
Jan W - buy yet you’re watching a video about the new movie and the sequel trilogy. Someone who doesn’t care doesn’t watch and comment on videos for something they don’t want to see or aren’t interested in.
@@davidshaw8846 it like was a train wreck u don't want to see but u can't help but to stare😳plus if u can really talk about the movie u may see other points of view its entertainment for me😃
@@davidshaw8846
So what? Social interaction also includes conveying one's disinterest. A simple and very mundane concept that, for whatever reason, seems to elude you. But, OK. Whatever.
If it doesn't kill Rey and Kennedy in a humiliating fashion, I'll pass
Bye
Sith Lord goes full hulk and force slams them into the ground over and over? I’ll pay to see it twice.
Here's an ending the true fans would love: after the credits of this movie we see an older Luke (as he is shown now in the Disney versions) sitting deep in meditation but showing occasional pained grimaces as though witnessing some thing horrible (the way Yoda did when young Anakin was killing the sand people) and then opens his eyes gasping for air. A young Jedi comes to his side and asks if he is alright and Luke shakes it off, telling them he has seen the possible future were he to betray every thing he'd ever learned and believed and sits alone on a planet drinking blue milk. This means all of the DIsney movies had been a bad dream and were wiped away as Luke stands tall and raises his light saber, soon joined by several other Jedi he has been training, begging the TRUE rise of Skywalker.
I think it's an incorrect assumption that all true fans would accept the "It was all a dream" trope as a backhand fix. Most fans could probably come up with something better.
@@IMayOrMayNotBeNoelG I thought it the simplest solution to the problem, I mean we are talking about DIsney after all...
@@killjoy197 I wouldn't worry about it man, the damage is already done. All that remains is to see if they can dig themselves out of this hole or go deeper.
@@IMayOrMayNotBeNoelG From what I've seen thus far (as well as phase 4 of the MCU) they'll be hitting the planet's core with how deep they are digging themselves. You'd think the "success" of Galaxy's Edge would be another canary in the coalmine for them but it's fingers in ears, full speed ahead.
@@killjoy197 Honestly man with what I've seen on the production side of things like conflicting egos, power plays, outright coup attempts, and general career fuckery I'm surprised anything turns out well.
Episode NEIN : The Nail in the Coffin
Episode Nein: The Demise of Skywalker.
So... It's a movie being made by committee, with input from focus groups. Sounds like it's gonna be great?
Can't remember the last time this didn't work 🙄
What could possibly go wrong?
Natasel
Umm, you misspelled “auteur.”
”I’m not a committee!”
"That's gonna be great."
Star Wars won’t be fixed until we have a whole new trilogy with all new (good) characters. It’s already too late for this trilogy, the damage is done.
Disney is the dog that cought the tire but has no idea what to do with it.
Anakin returns, kills Rey and the Emperor, happy days.
When I took a dump, it's impossible to get it back to where it came from ya know?
Well you could eat it! Which is what Lucas film has been insisting we do.... I for one, will not eat any sort of crap!
@@thomashooper9148 Word! Nothing to add.
You could sell it to Disney, they'd stamp the SW name on it and Disney fanboys would buy it, they seem to love shit.
True. Once it has been flushed, it stays flushed! No more nostalgia for a original Star Wars fan member like me. It is finished!
how do you fix Star Wars? Start this trilogy over. none of it even makes sense.
Too late. Original fans already checked out and given up on SW. Perhaps Disney might be able to do something original on Disney+ with their TV series but I personally lost interest in this trilogy,
I don't know why they're screening endings... Star Wars ended 4 movies ago.
Revenge Of The Sith tied up Star Wars with a nice bow and sent it away. Disney is trying to raise the dead.
When you replace the Thrawn Trilogy with 'The Force Awakens' and 'The Last Ledi', even great wouldn't have been good enough. It was a doomed idea from the start.
Bring back the original expanded universe. And set the movies 150 years after the last point in the expanded universe. We didn’t need Luke Skywalker the hermit. We needed Luke Skywalker the grandmaster who successfully built the new Jedi order. We needed Ben Skywalker and his children. We we needed the children or grandchildren ofJag Fell and Jaina Solo. PS, we really need the Amazon to not be on fire anymore
J or for capitalism to not destroy everything as it always does
I am Brazilian. The Amazon is fine. It burns what it burns every year. All the noise regarding it this year exist bc our government is cracking down illegal operations of NGOs and company's financed by France, German and Norway to steal precious metals in its soil. Some of them were found to be responsible for the fires (together with corrupt government employees).
The Old EU was a massive clusterfuck of contradictions in every other book, game, whatever.
Unbelievab1e the narrative was solid the characters are still beloved. There might have been contradictions But there was also a great deal of narrative growth in the overall story
Vash Rein stop lying to yourself
this move will be a magically be a multi billion dollar success even though the theaters will be empty, the toys wont sell, some how, some way it will still "make" those billions
Endgame has refilled their coffers after buying all those Captain Marvel tickets, so they can do it again.
Tell that to Solo: A Star Wars Story
@@slowmoe1686 A man doesn't get that sort of help.
buy some youtubers. Let them tell it´s good. Have some promo events giving out free merch. Tell girls go to see it or the world will be ruled by angry men. Tell black people go to see it. Tease Finn getting a big role (but in the end he does nothing), trigger another group and the theaters will fill up.
The people who read every comic that comes out now 10 times because they want clues and justifications for the Last Jedi mess still gonna watch the movie 10 times. They gonna get their money.
The disaster will only show in merch sales over the next years, and bad home release sales..
@@jekro1 I wonder how much that kind of moves could help. It didn't help Solo.
And Finn....it's funny, but IMHO, only white liberals care about that character. I didn't hear a lot of African American praising that character's portrayal, or Asians praising Rose Tico's portrayal.
How Star Wars might be saved in four easy steps (emphasis on might):
1. Scrap the whole sequel trilogy
2. Reinstate the old E.U. as it was before the purchase of Lucasfilm
3. Revoke EA's exclusive license to produce games
4. Make the mother of all Mea Culpas to the fandom
Yes.But the Sequels didn't mess up everything.
Just release a ninety minute movie of Kennedy; Abrams; and Johnson being fired and then beat senseless.
Is there a gofundme for this?
I love the breakneck pace of this video. You have a knack for editing. I’m fascinated with the theory that they might be actually putting out these leaks to see how fans respond. It makes sense.