Yes, but they'll never fire such a high profile woman, not in this political climate. Especially not after "the shitlords" (the non-woke audience) has been baying for her blood for years now. They don't want to make a move that could be perceived as appeasing "the misogynist far right internet trolls"
Slam Robot658 Iger will never fire her because she went along with his ideas and he supported her ideological propaganda. To fire her would be an admission that he should be fired. Instead, we get excuses gallore (and fan blaming.) I suspect there is a lot more to come ss things get worse.
casperld you ever watch the originals and realize Luke can hand with Darth Vader even though he never completed his training. The most powerful Sith, the Chosen One, and Luke is hanging in there with him. Luke was way too OP!
@@martyc909 nah. Vader was toying with Luke in Empire and could have easily killed him. That wasn't the plan for Luke. They wanted to turn him. Vader cut his hand off to show his power.
@@martyc909 In Empire Vader was looking for his son so he could turn him to the dark side and overthrow the Emperor and rule together. He was playing around with Luke to see how what powers Luke had. In Jedi Vader was conflicted and trapped because of Luke's love for him after Luke accepted Vader was his father. He didn't want Luke to be killed, he didn't want to try to kill the Emperor there and then because the Emperor was still more powerful, and deep down I don't think he wanted Luke to become evil like he did. At the end he sacrificed himself to save his son as it was the only option left.
@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Dave Filoni mixed Lucas's vision with his own fresh inputs and vastly improved on what George's original ideas where, I would have loved to see what an SWCU directed by him would have been like
@@alejandrogorricho4791 Dave Filoni has no experience running an entire production company though. The other two that I mentioned have been with Lucasfilm since the 80s and 90s. No one is more qualified than them. At the very least Filoni could be CCO of Star Wars or something.
Unfortunately George Lucas taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then she killed Star Wars in his sleep. Ironic, he could protect Star Wars from Disney's mettling, but not his own.
@@Peca.kaspic gonna need at least 1 sassy black woman, 2 subliminal gay people that can be cropped out for China, and 1 OP and perfect white woman. Or it won’t fly under KK
You could say they happened in an alternate universe and some force user looked how it would have gone if this and that happened. Then they cut to the force user story and do it right
Well... Yes. It also helps that before you make something, you have a planning group and a lore group and a continuity group and they all work together to make sense of the direction and narratives of the franchise. TLJ Retconned TFA TFA changed how hyperspace and the force works which retconned how events in Episodes I, II, III, IV, V, and VI could play out...
Well, After the Snap, they lost most of the people that knew what to do and the other half that was left, decided to do Phase 4. You see now, children, taking out half of the planet is not allways the solution.
@Andoc what's wrong with phase 4? Heck they're going more comicbooky in that phase with titles like Wandavision and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.
@Andoc Actually, most of phase 4 looks pretty decent. Most of us are tired of the right and left wing identity politics bullshit, so keep it to yourself.
She had his coattails, but the moment it wouldn't benefit her anymore she screwed George over. Seems like she's the perfect fit for a Hollywood position with loyalty like that.
@@fattiger6957 Where the hell were you people when, after Episode III, the franchise was dead because the entire fan base had apparently turned on Lucas? Suddenly he is the betrayed hero? Short memory...
I honestly think that giving her the reigns was his REVENGE for having put up with her all those years, and not being able to fire her due to an 'affirmative action hire'. It was also a double middle finger sent to the fans who constantly complained on all he did. 'Think I'm bad? here is how bad it CAN be'.....he's laughing all the way to the bank.
Not gonna lie there was some bigotry involved. I mean come on the way that Kelly Marie Tran was treated was not okay. However there were a lot of legitimate grievances with the movie and i think Disney used the bigotry as a shield from that criticism.
@@l.tc.5032 You had a few trolls go after an easy target, and they acted like it was everyone who hated the movie. Then used those few trolls as a defense for their retarded choices.
Ep VII HUGE step up from the Prequels EP VIII Somewhat flawed but fascinating soft deconstruction of the Saga EP IX Hell if I know.....Can't wait to find out though....
That's incredibly generous of you. As far as I'm concerned it's more like; EpVII -> The first 20 minutes = Titanic sailing. Next 20 minutes = A wild Iceberg approaches. Remainder of the film = Titanic slowly, deliberately sinking. Ep VIII -> Attempted retrieval of the sunken Titanic goes terribly wrong, everyone involved dies, and (perhaps entirely unrelated, perhaps not) a pet store filled with nothing but kittens catches fire and burns to the ground. Ep IX -> The franchise I knew, gone it is, consumed by Darth Disney.
Sean C titanic metaphors aside, being in charge of a franchise (god I hate that word) like Star Wars poses a lot of unique challenges. There really is no roadmap for keeping something like this fresh and relevant for a modern global audience . I personally think the future of SW is pretty bright. And sequel trilogy will ultimately be regarded as growing pains so that the franchise can evolve.
Tragedy? That bitch is living her best life! She's completely incompetent and deeply despised by a significant portion of the audience she supervises movies for...but she's never going to be fired and will continue to sit in an office she's never deserved while armies of rabid SJW's protect her from any real backlash. In due time she'll retire with a big golden parachute and be celebrated as one of the most accomplished women who's ever worked at Disney, a lie the mass media, aforementioned SJW's and Disney themselves will happily promulgate for years to come to protect the progressive narrative. You couldn't ask for a sweeter deal.
@Pinkaugust yes, I'm pretty sure Abrams will try to mimic The Return of Jedi. We are going to see another big base destroyed by the Millennial Falcon and someone throwing Palpatine to some kind of nuclear core. I like the movies, but I'm not a hadcore fan so I think that instead of seing another rehash I will spend the money and time in something else.
I also wonder if Disney purchased Star Wars to keep it out of the hands of someone else. I can only believe that people at Disney corporate cursed themselves at how Harry Potter slipped through their fingers - and doubly cursed themselves when Universal ran with it - and continues to run with it - at least in the theme parks. Part of business, but especially big business, isn't just making sure that you win - you also have to make sure your opponents lose - and that's not necessarily the same thing. Just imagine, hypothetically, if Star Wars had been sold to Universal, or Sony, what we might have gotten. Sure Kathleen Kennedy might still have been part of the deal, but Universal or Sony just might have been able to get control of things before she went full woke potato.
@@MidnightsEdge That's surprising and disappointing. I'd always heard that Lucas was a good businessman (merchandising and the like), I thought he would have shopped around at least a little, even behind the scenes.
At the time and even today... I doubt Sony or Universal could have fronted the cash... they are both Struggling studios... and 😂😂😂😂😂 Sony would ruin Star Wars even more than Disney has lol Member Ghostbuster? Member the Amazing Spider-Mans? Member? 😂😂😂
I was in my local cinema recently and saw the poster of The Rise of Skywalker located at the very end of the hall, where barely anyone can see it. I guess even they were ashamed of it.
@@anonymousgoat2837 the last jedi did not flop. But they wont shelve the sequel trilogy because that pretty much going back from the SJW/feminist agenda. And Disney will not do that
Dave Filoini should have been made head creative director but CEO, absolutely not, don’t even know how that thought even made sense to you as you typed it
I mean, it didn't though. Not by any available metric. It made a ton of money, it was critically acclaimed, it got Oscar nominations, and most people seem to like the new movies, certainly more so than they did the prequels... the only people who think Star Wars is "failing" all of a sudden are those in the internet nerd echo chambers that just keep saying it failed over and over again hoping it will become true, and assuming everyone agrees with them because they only talk to people who already agree with them.
No, they bought a complete mythology and decided to say screw the ending that already existed and was good, lets go for a cash grab to justify buying this property.
@Lawrence S --- You nailed it. It's really as simple as that... It's the same thing as if writers on a good show were fired or went on strike and then new hacks decided to write the new season: it is disjointed and suffers from poor vision or lack of any vision at all... Buying the "rights" to an idea doesn't equate to being able to convey it's "spirit" - and the true fans sense this. ...Because this 'Force' is strong with us. 🤗
Disney told all the fans their beloved characters will be back! Only to kill them all. The last Jedi is the worst, and most disrespectful movie i have ever seen.
What were you expecting would happen to them? Play the same 30 year old's they were in OT? The actors are in their 60s and 70s now. Carrie Fisher died in real life halfway through making the third film. These characters weren't going to be around forever. How is the TLJ disrespectful? TLJ was about generational disillusionment. Luke, Rey and Kylo are all disillusioned with trying to live up to the respective legacies that overshadow them. That's the point the film was trying to tell you. But that went over your head because you wanted Super Saiyan Jedi Luke from the EU.
@@BlueHooloovoo A competent writer can write a story with the old trio, and then include new characters in their adventures. TLJ took the most hopeful and beloved character, by most, in the series, and turned him into a whiny bitch who gave up and abandoned his friends and family. Luke would never do that, as Mark Hamill himself said in plenty of interviews. On top of that Luke tried to kill Kylo, which is completely out of character. Luke could not kill his mega murderous Father, yet he will try to kill own nephew? Don't say Luke sensed Kylo's dark, side, because Rey, could sense good in him. Ruin Johnson did not comprehend the lore and the overall message of the originals, so he wrote this awful story as a result. TLJ disrespects its core characters, the original story, and even the new characters. A boring space chase, with an even more boring Casino mission. TLJ kills the original legacy, attempts to be funny and it fails miserably. What i can't comprehend is why are you defending this POS movie.
Tom Gerlach No, Disney is at fault for not hiring someone qualified to handle the writing and direction of the film. It was Disney bitching about the fans for not liking the piece of shit movie. Mark only tried to warn us. Mark knew that idiot did not know or understand what Star Wars was all about, and for that I thank him.
that would have been incredibly cool and expand on the lore, but Kathleen just wanted to make the Force female for some reason while just lazily re-hashing all the plot points and ships / planets from the OT
Absolutely! The Force is female in those books, Mara Jade & Jaina Solo are such better characters than anything they have come up with so far. I think the drawback to going to those books is that Harrison, Carrie and Mark were so old that they would have to be recast, and maybe that seemed like a bridge too far. After Solo flopped, I think anyone who is going to suggest recasting any of the big 3 and doing sequels based on those characters should have their personal effects pre-packed, because they will probably get fired. Truth is, as an old-school SW fan I would rather see new actors in a good story than the originals in a bad and insulting story.
Indeed, the new movies would have needed to be set _after_ the New Jedi Order books were set anyway, if they were going to include the old main cast. I think "killing" Jacen, Jaina, Mara and the others was such a lost opportunity. They could have introduced them as adults but kept them at the fringe of the new story. Then taken advantage of them and made a TV series about when they were young: and boosted sales of the existing old books and other material in the process instead of throwing them at the waste-heap.
@@Duvallmd Exactly, what really doomed this trilogy is not having a coherent road map and letting some second grade indi director do whatever the fuck he wanted.
@Darth Maul People were willing to overlook the flaws of TFA in hope that things would get better. They were also just happy to have a star wars movie. Or at least that was my reasons for originally liking it.
@Darth Maul No, TFA was functional it did what it needed to do, no more, no less: It tapped heavily into nostalgia while setting the stage for something new to move the series forward... then Rian Johnson shat on that stage, burned it and the foundation it was built upon and then pissed on the ashes then jerked off onto the piss soaked ashes gazing into a mirror crying "Subversion!" over and over again while Katheen Kennedy sat back applauding approvingly. TFA was not great little more than fanservice the film but it left open the hope greatness could follow it. TLJ was just one long extended smug F_ck you to Star Wars and the fans.
@UCOkQ4vfdVUfFZ8VQL70iorA 👍👍 Disney came in October of 2012 and began to purge the Star Wars lore with the arrogance that they new better. Forget the fact that up to that point, for 35 years a film franchise expanded beyond just the screen. It established a fanbase that thanks to the Marvel comics, other comics, games and other media gave people something to pass down to their kids. I am not saying that all of these ideas are without criticism , but are just as important as the lore behind say Iron Man, Thor or any other MCU character.
Pixar was an established Independent Studio. It just had to keep doing what it was doing. Same with the MCU. As far as film production goes, LucasFilm was the closest thing to a "clean slate" they had. Not because it didn't have an established universe, but because minus an active EU universe (which, to be fair, Lucas also dismissed as Canon for any future film production if he wanted to go another way and did ignore during the prequel as there were continuity conflicts). But it was dormant as a film franchise and not doing much on TV either. This isn't a down vote. Literally Disney could have done nothing but collect from there ownership of the old stuff, but no they got greedy and wanted to shove almost everything pre existing down the toilet.
In order to have a powerful film, it has to have a backbone of steel and a brain of gold, on which to pack all that special effect and big moments muscle. Star Wars worked because George Lucas’ vision and Irvin Kirshner’s guidance. Ghostbusters worked because of Dan Aykroyd’s vision and Harold Ramis’ guidance. Star Trek worked because of Gene Roddenberry’s vision and Gene Coon’s guidance. New Star Wars movies need to come from someone with a strong vision and someone else with ability to ground it and inject it with meaning for us.
"We always knew, and this is something I learned from over at Marvel and working with Kevin Feige, is you always want to keep the core fans in mind, because they have been the ones that've been keeping the torch lit for many, many years, but these stories are also for young people and for new audiences. These are myths, and so you always want to have an outstretched hand to people who might not have that background. And so you're really telling two stories at once. You're telling the story for the people who are fresh eyes, and you're telling the story for the people who've been there with the property and with the stories and the characters for so many years, and make sure that you're honoring them as well." - Jon Favreau
Simple. Kevin Feige approached the idea of a MCU with a plan, one well thought out, with an understanding of the source material. Kathleen Kennedy, on the other hand.... "StrOng wHamEn REEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
Marvel had 40+ years of back stories that they have been resting their laurels on... ya'll sound so dumb its actually very funny. "gEt wOkE gO bRoKe" but i don't see them going broke any time soon.
Yes and Kevin spent 10yrs building up his clout before showing his true colors "WOKE". Not surprised u didn't mentioned that though. So he's not the answer either. Sorry
Bringing in established marvel fans and gaining new ones into the theaters, not to mention most comic book fans being ok with most changes in film from comics, Disney got overconfident thinking this success could be replicated with star wars no matter what Kennedy did.
@@RobertJackson-sl1mk yeah it seems everything else connected to SW is not fairing so well. This last movie will make $ cuz it's closure but toys, theme park, cartoons, other movies after ep8, all struggling.
Vlad Piranha I still thing it was good that doesn't mean it's perfect but it was a good start to getting the brand back out there after being out of theaters since clone wars animated movie but Johnson failed to deliver further insight to questions raised in the force awakens now the rise of skywalker has to fix what Johnson messed up
@@Acolyte47 when has Disney ever admitted it failed at something, even inside their company they don't allow bad news of any kind unless it's spun with good news
Has J.J. Abrams ever "stuck the landing"? He's good at making people wonder what's inside the mystery box, but he doesn't seem to know or care what to put in it.
To my knowledge, no. This is because he never actually plans what is in the box. He has explained, as you seem to know, that he believes in the box more than what it contains.
Absolutely. If Disney suddenly declared Marvel comics noncanon and mandated the new comics follow the MCU, everyone would flip their lid. This was basically that.
This was pretty insightful. Just recently I was wondering about what was really going through George's mind prior to striking this deal with 'the house of the mouse'. All this sounds pretty likely.
I sadly have become a member of the is TLJ PTSD club after a nervous breakdown. You are not alone in your milking scene agony. We can beat this togheter. I know Its tough but we keep going on step by step.
Complete lack of creative integrity. They had not the faintest interest to extract the essence of Star Wars, the gritty lived in universe, and expand upon it. Lesson in how to do it right would be The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, which beautifully takes everything that the original movie was loved for and expands the world far beyond the dreams of even the biggest OG fans.
Yes, but hyper-woke Netflix was always going to treat Dark Crystal right, with reverence: because the Gelfling are matriarchal, and combating a patriarchal society: the Skesis ( see making-of documentary on Netflix ). The world of Thra, itself, has a kind Gaia-esque female sensibility to it, with Aughra claiming she _is_ Thra. This goes right up their New Age, 'The Force is Female', Bobo alley! Unfortunately for Star Wars, however, it had always been, traditionally, a male-oriented franchise - which is why toys were, and still are, found in the boy-isle. So we couldn't expect a respectful treatment from rabid feminists on that account; they had to screw it up to show boys they had the power, now, under the guise of allegedly expanding marketshare to girls ( which predictably failed ).
It's pretty based in that messaging really. At its core The Dark Crystal is about it balance in everything. The Gelflings are a matriarchal society that was so agreeable and obsessed with keeping everything socially desirable that they were easily coopted by interglobalists. It then took a guy to say 'fuck this shit', who then first got cancelled by society to kick things into gear.
They saved it after the boring-ass prequels. You might not like it, but kids are excited for Star Wars again, and kids are ultimately who these movies are for.
@@oiwithyou Ouch. Nailed me! I mean, other than the fact that overestimation of toy and merch sales has been a problem for pretty much every blockbuster franchise, Star Wars included, since the Toy Story debacle back in 1995, to the point that bargain bin Star Wars stuff was significantly more ubiquitous in the late 90s and early 00s than it is now, yet no one ever seems to bring that up as a point against the prequels anymore since everyone suddenly decided they like them after fifteen solid years of scorn. Eh, whatever. Doesn't matter, I suppose. You know, I always swore I was above these nerd arguments, yet here I am, dragging myself back into it. This is what happens when I drink before going on TH-cam. I need to stop that. So egg on my face? Star Wars will be here until the heat death of the universe regardless of my opinions on Phantom Menace or yours on Last Jedi or anyone's on toy sales or video games or comics or any and all of it.
I’m betting she was about to be and she pitched hard that she could recover the franchise and it’s unfair to fire her without letting her complete the sequel project. Iger trusted her and that’s what has gotten him fired. Stockholders must be pissed
Too bad these new sequels have tarnished whatever potential going forward the Star Wars universe could take. Now the legacies of Luke, Leia, Han and the rest of the Rebel Alliance have been reduced to rubble to ensure a rehash of authoritarian government versus underdog. Future stories will have to treat Luke Skywalker as a failed hero turned coward who will only be remembered due to a sparkly new messiah named Rey co-opting his name for her own purposes. Even worse, Leia and Han will be remembered for birthing Space Hitler Mark II and not for their sacrifices for attempting to bring peace to the galaxy.
Go back to the EU material and bring some of those stories to the big screen. That's Disney's best bet at creating something that's good and appealing to all fans.
@@trevorrandom There's talk they may go back to the Knights of the Old Republic era, but I worry about how much damage Disney could do to some of the best entries in the defunct EU.
I personally want Lucas’ VII-IX in some form, but nothing says you still can’t make animated films based on the EU stories like Warner’s been doing for years.
all that had to happen was luke needed to be the hero and the true grandmaster he was created to be. That freaking simple. Respect the characters and the story. You failed disney...enjoy all your instant katrma.
Or rather, he needed to be a respectable elder. After the Prequel Trilogy made Anakin the protagonist and not Luke (for obvious reasons), it only makes sense that the protagonists of the Sequel Trilogy be different, with the OT Trio being support/ elders, say what you will for the execution in this timeline.
"What did you do? WHAT DID YOU DO??" Lucas looks to Kathleen K who has just snapped his sequel trilogy out of existence, and now wields the smoking glove of a franchise...
To my understanding, when George said "I want the Pixar deal" George wasn't saying "I want 7 billion." He was saying "I still want to be the 'head of Star Wars.'" To my understanding, George wanted Lucasfilms to operate the same way after the purchase as it did before. I think it was Iger who jumped and assumed that by "the Pixar deal" he meant the same amount of money.
@@theskepticpirate156 The thing is, when you're talking about multi-billion dollar deals these things are worked out to a ridiculous degree, with armies of lawyers on both sides pouring over contracts and agreements. Nothing like that is left to chance or misinterpretation. Whatever Lucas wanted would have been specified *exactly* in the contracts. If Lucas wanted to be head of Star Wars he would have gotten that, or there would have been no sale.
@@theskepticpirate156 no i disagree after disney didnt give them the pixar deal they said they want the marvel deal and got 4.05 billion dollars which means he was talking about money
Star Wars had baggage: a ONE, single timeline and lore that dated back 40 years. Many aspects of the SW universe had been established in games, comics, movies, and tv shows. There is a continuity that exists between all SW-related media. Its fans understood this. Marvel: It came with a "blank" slate. while Marvel comics has been around for longer than SW, it is understood that many universes exist. There are already like 8 (probably more) different established comic universes and numerous tv show universes. There is no required continuity across the different Marvel media. Its movies can be started from scratch. And it was. Characters were given origin stories and storylines that deviated heavily from their comic counterparts. Its fans understood this. As such, making a SW film comes with an increased possibility of messing up the established lore. Luke's character assassination, Leia's force powers, the knights of ren, snoke, the continuation of the republic empire after the death of the emperor (i can go on and on). You can't just push out new stuff that contradicts years and years of backstory (unlike Marvel). There is only one Luke skywalker, one han solo, one leia. Marvel has 3 different Peter parkers over the last decade. TLD: they angered the SW fans with inconsistent storytelling. We didn't like it. And we know there's no going back. So why continue watching?
Keep watching because you are a Star Wars fan and that will never go away. Real fans loved every movie. I loved them all with no exception and now my fandom will carry one with the TV Shows. Star Wars forever.
@@Tiagofgs1977 You love star wars, cause it got quality or appealed you in one thing, Not because it is star wars. By your definition "real" fans would also love every porn made in the star wars universe, cause you know it's Star wars
@@DundG I only watch cannon Star Wars which include also The Ewok Adventure and The Battle for Endor and I love reading the books with my favourite being Bloodline and Lost Stars. I believe we have very different visions of Star Wars. Star Wars fans would never even think of porno as star Wars movies. We are all Real star Wars Fans but we love it, apparently for different reasons.
@@Tiagofgs1977 I just concluded what you meant by your statement. I could not figure out why you love, star wars, just that you love it with no exception, which could be interpreted as "I love it cause it`s star wars" which is a ridiculous statement. Every brand needs to maintain a certain quality in the points its represents (like continuity in star wars) or it loses it`s appeal.
Keep in mind it was George Lucas that insisted Kennedy be appointed head of Lucasfilm, not Disney. Seems George may have unwittingly played a larger part in Star Wars downfall than originally thought
The biggest mistake with the modem movies was not giving Han and Leia a bunch of kids. If they had like four or more kids that could fuel stories for decades
@@JD-mz1rl something happened for her to take his trust in her and allow what happened to the franchise. Her history with Lucas and Spielberg goes a long way back. Hell hath no fury for a woman scorned.
I dont need to watch the first scene of anything. I remember when lightsabers cut through anything, now disney only lets sabers do minimal damage. Piss off with your not much thought reply.
@Stratowind Yeah, like ships requiring fuel for Hyperspace when they haven't canonically had ANY fuel for over 40 years. Ewoks and JarJar served the purpose they were created for, and Anakin had innate force and flight abilities with assistance from R2. Begone with your false, sarcastic claims that the sequels innovated better than the originals and prequels, because they aren't.
Stormtroopers riding Dewbacks in the first film. Luke riding a tauntaun in the second. Ewoks in the third. Obi Wan riding a giant lizard in the sixth. There has ALWAYS been this juxtaposition between the futuristic and the natural world.
Star Wars has been a solid part of my life for nearly 30 years, and I've loved it from day 1. It absolutely burns my ass that Disney has done such a ridiculously unquestionably AWESOME job with the MCU, but has done almost the exact opposite with Star Wars. Don't get me wrong; I enjoyed Rogue One and the Rebels tv series, but those were both in a way limited to material that already existed, they could only go so far with it. But when they COULD go far they went way TOO far and completely ruined it.
I think it boils down to fiege's respect for the characters. He didn't do the thing that Hollywood always does. People in Hollywood have huge massive egos and they think they can do better... Fact they need to change it to stroke their own ego.
Marvel was a different beast due to the plethora of universes and alternate story lines the MCU could make a new universe to play with while keeping the best of the old. Star Wars was more like the Lord of the rings universe, all continuous and requiring a deft hand Disney lacked. George Lucas should of hired Peter Jackson over Kathleen Kennedy as at least Peter Jackson showed the rare talent of respecting source material.
The MCU money train is going to come to a screeching halt soon. Boring starbuck-drinking Hulk, boring Black Panther, boring Chinese superhero, boring Captain Marvel and boring Eternals(who?) then add all the sjw-driven agenda and you have a recipe for disaster.
@@jtno2 I wouldn't say that because Disney has green lighted rated R movie in the MCU. I believe the rated R movies we will be getting are Punisher, Blade, and Deadpool. The Netfilx actor for punisher is in talks about his punisher movie role and Ryan Reynolds said he will be doing Deadpool again. Marvel pg-13 movies may lag behind but most likely its rated r movies will be its saving grace.
The person to pity here is Frank Marshall. He has to wake up every morning next to the woman who single handedly killed Star Wars. He's like the male version of Eva Braun. The moral of the story is: If you hire an assistant who can't type... FIRE HER IMMEDIATELY!
Best part of that deal was that Jim Henson set it up so Disney couldn't get their corporate hands on sesame Street. I can only imagine what "lessons" a Disney owned Sesame Street would be teaching kids today....
@@CrimsonID4 looking at disney junior i doubt could something bad, i mean, look at sofia the first, even being a kids show it have certain degree of character development, the protagonist is far from be irritating: a girl that isn't a mary sue, but someone who commit mistakes and acknowledge when she need help or must correct some mistake, and respectful for her elders, also, is funny that her show is attacked by both left and right, the first due to the fact that she's from a very traditional family and being femenine, and the others due to the magic element...also her show treated fauna, flora and merryweather more respectfilly than the maleficent's films did
t's all about proper management .When you have a created organization like Lucas film , you must in some case listen to the original creator because the creator is the heart of that story and it will keep it originality!
Eh, a good franchise can make it without the original creator. But only if those who take it on both know and respect what made it originally work and have good ideas on how to move forward. Star Trek (which ended after season 4 of Enterprise), Marvel and DC, Conan, James Bond, etc. It can be done...but Disney is showing they don't know how.
They should have given creative control to Dave Filoni, and not had him bogged down with two animated series. Having starting out as a super-fan before he got on the inside, he _knows_ Star Wars better than anyone else at Lucasfilm. After his track-record with the Clone Wars, he should have been the obvious choice. (Just stop him from inserting too many wolves ... ;) )
Lucas rarely smiles, even in his early pictures from over 40 years ago, and I'm even talking about personal pictures where he should've been smiling he had blank expressions.
Lucas: you were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy Iger's ideas, not join him. Bring profit to the mouse, not leave him in debt! You were my successor, Kathleen. I trusted you!
To be fair, he sold it to a company that was run by someone who he was friendly with, and they'd treated both Pixar and Marvel well. So, it's highly unlikely that Disney looked like the devil to him at the time. That being said, they then proceeded to trash his legacy, so yeah, he sold it to the devil.
I mean, Disney did well enough with Marvel and have some of the best special effects in the business. He must have though he would be leaving Star Wars in good hands.
"Rogue One" was a war movie, set in the Star Wars universe. "Solo" was an origin story, but should simply have been a heist movie, set in the Star Wars universe. "The Mandalorian" seems to be a western series, set in the Star Wars universe. A "Kenobi" movie could be a detective or spy thriller, set in the Star Wars universe. Why is this so hard? Just get a known character from the Star Wars universe, set them in the Star Wars universe.....and start going through the classical movie genres. A "Wedge" (or perhaps "Antilles") movie could be a space combat movie. A cross over with a sequel to "Rogue One" could be a special forces scoot-n-loot action movie. It could tell the story of the development of the B-Wing. I am sure they could get away with a sort of submarine movie, a martial arts movie (think Donnie Yen) or even a comedy. The money is right there, Disney. Just park your political ideas to one side and grab them. Forget about tie-ins and Easter eggs. Just make good movie, that happen to be set in the Star Wars universe.
Rogue One is by far the best movie from the Disney era. Solo is decent enough, too. It is sad that I'm wondering how did Rogue One to turn out so good given the state of Lucasfilm.
You get it in an a way most don't seem to. Star Wars is a versatile enough concept/universe that you could do just about anything in it and as long as it was well made and doesn't contradict other movies/canon resources it will turn out well and everybody, from the fans to the uninitiated, would enjoy it. They didn't follow the second thing when making the new trilogy which made people angry and lost money (not literally but in the sense of not getting anywhere near as much as they could have)
Oh I would love to see a movie about the development of the B-wing that would be ace. They could make a follow on movie about the A-wing also. Why is this person not the head of creativity Disney? 🤣 Fucking B-wing.....
"How Star Wars audiences will respond (to episode 9)?!?! Look around. My guess is that fans will push to get the sequel trilogy bumped from canon status or at the minimum run with Legends continuity as canon in their minds no matter what Disney poobahs decree.
Star Wars legends is my continuity and will not go see episode nine and will not let that story even into my brain. JJ sucks Ryan sucks and Kathleen sucks and even Bob Iger sucks
@@hitandruncommentor yes, you are absolutely right about the Legends segment of my comment but that was minimum. Think about it. Wouldn't it be nice if the fandom were able to exert enough pressure that that awful abomination of a car wreck, the Last Jedi were wiped from Hollywood culture Soviet style?
From what I can tell, Disney Star Wars failed because: 1) No planning - or rather very poor planning. On top of believing Star Wars was a guaranteed win (see Galaxy’s Edge), they really didn’t have a set plan for where the story was going to end up. This is apparent with how Ruin Johnson went on his own tangent. Speaking of which... 2) Not enough people onboard who understand/respect the source material. George made his own mistakes with retcons and bits that didn’t add up from Prequel to OT, but there were still signs that he tried and put passion into those films with himself and the people he brought onboard. The writers currently working on the franchise save for Filloni and a handful of others seem to have their own interests at heart rather than the continuation of the story. 3) I know that there are people prowling for a fight, so I’ll just say this before going on. Absolutely nothing wrong with diversity. But when you uphold diversity to the detriment of product quality, you’re setting up yourself for failure. 4) Never - *NEVER* - insult your target demographic or your customer base. To loosely quote my marketing professor, people will remember how you made them feel. And if it was something the class could collectively agree on, a successful marketing campaign requires you to respect your customers. They’re the source of your income and you aren’t doing yourself any favors by scratching at the hand that feeds you. 5) This is just a shot in the dark, but from what I can tell, they’ve been carrying out little-to-no market research to understand who is buying what. Why else would they license Star Wars games to EA, a company with perhaps the most consistently tainted reputation within the last decade? Even a Google search could reveal how the public felt about the infamous game developer and how many games they’ve botched/studios they’ve dissolved. And it’s this horrendous decision which is giving me a nasty impression of what might be going on under the hood. In other words, it’s too late for any course correction that would be affective. It’s been seven years since acquisition, two since the Star Wars disasters of 2017. Any opportunity for repair is long-gone and everyone walks away with this with scars that won’t be forgotten. Aside from a complete culling of the writer’s and heads within the Lucasfilm division, I don’t see how they’re bouncing back.
@Stratowind I don't see how letting your director belittle the customers for not liking his film helps. Out of all seriousness, Rian Johnson's ego and bombastic behavior is a lot more destructive than most are willing to realize. Disney has done little to disavow his words over the last two years.
it's the boomers man, sure they use tech and computers, but they didn't grow up with it and they still worshiped TV as something the cell phone/ Internet communications revolution changed the as much as the industrial revolution we need younger people in government, too many outdated politicians
What it needs is a new direction completely removed from what came before. The mandalorian looks 10 times more interesting than the current movies. It's not good enough to rehash what was there before. Those remakes never work out, financially they tend to under perform. Look at MIB, Ghostbusters and everything else that rides the nostalgia wave. Fans don't want more of the same, they want a continuation and new stories set in the same universe. The star Wars games for example did this really well early on. Tie Fighter, knights of the old republic etc. Showed this to be true.
They probably won't have a choice. Once RoS hits theaters most people will have their interest in the brand completely zapped. I hate to see the brand go into the deep freeze.
I've heard speculation that the Disney+ shows will be the holdover while they take some time off the movies. Even Eiger suggested there would be a break in the movies, citing audience fatigue. I just hope they actually get their s*** together and have a firm roadmap before they try making another trilogy (and no more hiring hack directors who want to do their own thing instead of making Star Wars movies)
@@evertonporter7887 Or go back about 4000 years and make an old republic movie. Hell, it doesn't even have to include Revan, just a movie about a conflict between force users who's last names are NOT Skywalker
Oh yeah, the Heir to the empire series would have been the best by Timothy Zahn. Fast reading, snappy plot twists that really did well for the extended universe
Until episode 9 comes out and we know the plot you can't really say that. i'm sure Luke learned how to become a force ghost, or maybe even something beyond that. Could be what Rise of the Skywalker is referring to.
Why this man did not have an oversite team to keep the storyline cohesive is beyond understanding. Having such a team could have prevented so much tragedy. Does anyone know why Kathleen Kennedy gave him a blank check? I'd really like to understand.
Here is a case-study I hope they'll teach at business schools for years to come: _how to use self-serving identity-politics to alienate a brand's core audience, and deep-six a once massively popular entertainment franchise._
I was actually gonna go watch this with 4 of my nephews but fuck that I ain't giving 100 dollars to a franchise who doesnt give a fuck what the fans say, I'm more excited for the mandalorian
@@callumkemp-young1152 , yeah, there was no reason to make them minor characters. Cobra Kai does it so much better. Who would have thought The Karate Kid would get more respect than Star Wars.
This is actually the only way I’d truly get back into Star Wars. Following Lucas’s script exactly and hiring actual competent and up and coming writers for other projects not based on the colour of their skin or their genitals.
I think the conceit of never seeing the guy's face is going to wear thin pretty quickly. This isn't an interactive video game where people get to be the hero vicariously ( for ex: as Master Chief ). It might be fine for a few sequences, but for an entire season and possibly more?!
Why would a secretary who can't type get promoted? Hmmmm. *I know this question was answered in the video, but I care about that as much as 'that secretary' cares about Star Wars.*
Besides appointing Kennedy, the biggest mistake by far has been to trash the Extended Universe. It would have given them an extraordinary collection of stories to chose from, already known and loved by the fans. If their reason to reinvent the wheel really was to avoid paying royalties for existing characters to Lucas, that dumb mistake may turn out to cost them even more! I've hardly ever seen such bad management and insight in a company.
Wow I feel like the only person around who liked the latest trilogy. And I really do like star wars. Born in 77. Sure some things could have been done differently but it's not suicidal misery like I'm hearing everyone talk like.
What could Disney have done?? Ohhh, let me think here … perhaps, maybe … hire GOOD writers!! Characters we actually care about would help too! No Mary Sues either - develop the characters so that their actions aren't contrived BS.
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I’m saying this as a (once upon a time ago) hard core Disney fan first and foremost. In the first few years of his running Disney, I actually backed Bob Iger. I always felt Disney buying PIXAR made sense, and in that same time period, we had things like the promise of Disney Animation returning to hand drawn films, new Disney nature films, a continuation of the classic Disney IP on home media and so on. It actually felt like the Disney brand might be respected under Iger. Then he bought Marvel, and from that point forward, it’s just gotten worse. I fully agree with the assessment of the executives under Eisner, that Marvel was too edgy for Disney. The brands don’t mix, and still don’t. It’s been under Disney that Marvel Comics has gone full blown SJW. I don’t feel Disney had any business buying LucasFilm or Fox especially. Maybe Iger has made a ton of money for the stockholders (he’s also created a lot of debt), but it’s been at the cost of the Disney brand and what made it special. Disney used to mean creativity and top tier guest experiences. I don’t feel it does anymore. It now means retreads and subpar service at insane prices.
Okay, I have a huge problem with this video. Many times people try to blame a few people for some systematic issues. They blamed Snyder for the original DCEU issues (even though great directors and actors CAN screw up) and they blame Ryan Johnson for the Last Jedi. And now, Iger and Kennedy are being hated on. But that's not really fair. Both are competent and did an amazing job. If Star Wars had to be restarted, she was perfect for the role, since she actually did pretty well. The problem with Star Wars is simpler than anything you talked about. Star Wars... was a finished story. It had a happily ever after, one that lasted for over 30 years. And because of that, creating a sequel was in itself, something flawed. But we also have to look at reality. How much of Star Wars hate we have in us is because the movies and decisions are bad, and how much is because our happily ever after that we had for 30 years was destroyed??? I mean, people have been looking for any excuse to hate on Kennedy. I mean, that "Force is female" thing, which wasn't even a Star Wars thing was making people pissed about how she was "changing canon" when all she was doing was having fun and encouraging girls. And she wore it because hey "force" is often a word attributed to Star Wars.. but it actually had nothing to do with Star Wars. She just decided to support it cause she thought it was cool. But hey, they tried to see it as her changing the Star Wars lore... because random t-shirt slogans somehow effect canon...
Looking at Iger's 3 main planks for Disney's mission statement, the first one stands out, "Making branded content." Franchises. When you plan to pad out a story into an extended universe, the longevity of the thing runs a high risk of overtaking the storytelling as priority. By it's very nature it has to. Unless you have people creating a story that can foresee things well ahead of time - or are just that creative and are given the room to improvise and distill the story down until it really works (arguably Pixar's formula of success), a franchise is just going to end up a rushed, bloated opaque mess. Couple this with Iger's second plank of "Technology changing the workforce," i.e., assigning too many hats to too few employees who actually create the film, since everything's digital now. This also makes for too many moving parts for mid-tier or higher management to oversee: Studios thinking that films need an increasing amount of CGi, which inflates the production pipeline by number of EFX shots required, number of EFX houses outsourced to, etc. Ultimately the magic tool of technology convinces management that fewer domestic heads need less time to make the thing, and schedules become increasingly constricted, communication between workers and management literally more distant with outsourcing. In the end, it's a top heavy bureaucratic nightmare of a production, with the story elements increasingly controlled by committee at the executive level. And, the all too human misconception, that what worked before will always work in perpetuity. For Iger, making branded content worked for a decade or more with Pixar and Marvel. He banked on it working again with Star Wars, overlooking as the video points out that Lucasfilm was a studio without any substantive projects when it was bought. Or rather, Iger's third plank, "Becoming t̶h̶e̶ D̶u̶t̶c̶h̶ ̶E̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶I̶n̶d̶i̶a̶ ̶T̶r̶a̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶C̶o̶m̶p̶a̶n̶y̶ a global company" was his torch of progress that probably compelled him (along with his commitment to investors) to move forward on it.
@@RealGateGuardian Brie Larson isn't all that. Her face is okay, but she's otherwise, just... flat. Her uber-feminist schtick really doesn't help either.
Ew. I mean you’re so right but ew. I can’t ever get this out of my brain. I hate this feminazi agenda Disney is continuing to support. It seems power hungry and honestly is just annoying. I want some strong women who are not shady as hell. That’s why I love like scarlet Johansson and j law. Brie makes me gag.
KENNEDY NEEDS TO BE CANNED.
And Bob Iger
@@christopherperez5545 #CancelKathleenKennedy #CancelBobIger
Yes, but they'll never fire such a high profile woman, not in this political climate. Especially not after "the shitlords" (the non-woke audience) has been baying for her blood for years now. They don't want to make a move that could be perceived as appeasing "the misogynist far right internet trolls"
They tried. She’d created such a toxic environment, no one wanted the job. So, they stripped her of a lot of her power.
Slam Robot658 Iger will never fire her because she went along with his ideas and he supported her ideological propaganda. To fire her would be an admission that he should be fired. Instead, we get excuses gallore (and fan blaming.) I suspect there is a lot more to come ss things get worse.
They made Rey so powerful that she could even kill the franchise.
casperld you ever watch the originals and realize Luke can hand with Darth Vader even though he never completed his training. The most powerful Sith, the Chosen One, and Luke is hanging in there with him. Luke was way too OP!
@@martyc909 nah. Vader was toying with Luke in Empire and could have easily killed him. That wasn't the plan for Luke. They wanted to turn him. Vader cut his hand off to show his power.
@@martyc909 In Empire Vader was looking for his son so he could turn him to the dark side and overthrow the Emperor and rule together. He was playing around with Luke to see how what powers Luke had. In Jedi Vader was conflicted and trapped because of Luke's love for him after Luke accepted Vader was his father. He didn't want Luke to be killed, he didn't want to try to kill the Emperor there and then because the Emperor was still more powerful, and deep down I don't think he wanted Luke to become evil like he did. At the end he sacrificed himself to save his son as it was the only option left.
Luke was not over powered he got his ass handed to him by vader and if vader wanted he could of killed Luke within 3 seconds flat if he wanted
@@martyc909 but he TRAINED! and he LOST all the time. Rey never trained and Rey never lost! gimme a break.
Lucas chooses Kathleen Kennedy to protect his legacy
Everybody: "He chose.....poorly".
True. He could have appointed Doug Chiang, John Knoll...heck anyone would have been better than what he went with.
@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Dave Filoni mixed Lucas's vision with his own fresh inputs and vastly improved on what George's original ideas where, I would have loved to see what an SWCU directed by him would have been like
@@alejandrogorricho4791 Dave Filoni has no experience running an entire production company though. The other two that I mentioned have been with Lucasfilm since the 80s and 90s. No one is more qualified than them. At the very least Filoni could be CCO of Star Wars or something.
@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked then a team.
Maybe he did it on purpose so the nerds wouldn't hate him as much anymore.
Unfortunately George Lucas taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then she killed Star Wars in his sleep. Ironic, he could protect Star Wars from Disney's mettling, but not his own.
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Wrong.
Nothing died.
@@Dragonage2ftw The extended universe pretty much did die. For all intent and purpose anyways...
Darth Kennedy apprentice of Darth Disney
@@bagheerah_fr8782 The EU is more canon than Disney Star Wars will ever be.
Declare the last three movies as non canon and remake...
Or, you know, just leave it the fuck alone and pretend they didn't happen. That's what I'm doing.
And make another trilogy about the old republic
@@Peca.kaspic gonna need at least 1 sassy black woman, 2 subliminal gay people that can be cropped out for China, and 1 OP and perfect white woman. Or it won’t fly under KK
You could say they happened in an alternate universe and some force user looked how it would have gone if this and that happened. Then they cut to the force user story and do it right
Because they have people at Marvel and Pixar that _actually know what they're doing._
Well... Yes. It also helps that before you make something, you have a planning group and a lore group and a continuity group and they all work together to make sense of the direction and narratives of the franchise.
TLJ Retconned TFA
TFA changed how hyperspace and the force works which retconned how events in Episodes I, II, III, IV, V, and VI could play out...
Well, After the Snap, they lost most of the people that knew what to do and the other half that was left, decided to do Phase 4.
You see now, children, taking out half of the planet is not allways the solution.
@Andoc what's wrong with phase 4? Heck they're going more comicbooky in that phase with titles like Wandavision and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.
@Andoc Actually, most of phase 4 looks pretty decent. Most of us are tired of the right and left wing identity politics bullshit, so keep it to yourself.
Those were my thoughts too untill I saw Captain Marvel. Now I'm not so sure anymore...
George Lucas: "Kathleen, you got my back"
Kathleen Kennedy: "Sure"
*gets out the knife*
"I said 'got' my back, not 'IN' my back!"
She had his coattails, but the moment it wouldn't benefit her anymore she screwed George over. Seems like she's the perfect fit for a Hollywood position with loyalty like that.
@@fattiger6957 Where the hell were you people when, after Episode III, the franchise was dead because the entire fan base had apparently turned on Lucas? Suddenly he is the betrayed hero? Short memory...
Patrick, shut up you Disney shill.
I honestly think that giving her the reigns was his REVENGE for having put up with her all those years, and not being able to fire her due to an 'affirmative action hire'. It was also a double middle finger sent to the fans who constantly complained on all he did. 'Think I'm bad? here is how bad it CAN be'.....he's laughing all the way to the bank.
Lucas to Kennedy: "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SIDE WITH ME NOT JOIN HIM! BRING BALANCE TO THE FRANCHISE! NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS!"
@@rawfurrahman8324 And she probably added in her mind: "..., you white man!!" :D
@@rawfurrahman8324 LMAO!
Didn't you make the same statement about Lucas when he made the prequels?
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I Love you for that
One of the best ways to alienate fans is to mess up the thing they love most, then call them bigots for not liking the bad decisions.
Sounds like Battlefield V to me
And
Almost everything else in entertainment industry nowadays
Not gonna lie there was some bigotry involved. I mean come on the way that Kelly Marie Tran was treated was not okay. However there were a lot of legitimate grievances with the movie and i think Disney used the bigotry as a shield from that criticism.
@@l.tc.5032 You had a few trolls go after an easy target, and they acted like it was everyone who hated the movie.
Then used those few trolls as a defense for their retarded choices.
@@l.tc.5032 B.S. There was never any proof of this, just a wild accusation from a single unverified account.
You hit the nail on the head! I'm so tired of seeing them blame the fans for their poor decisions.
Ep VII: Titanic sailing
Ep VIII: The Iceberg
Ep IX: Titanic sinking
@warrcc c the titanic decomposing
Rogue One: Small Life Raft.
Ep VII HUGE step up from the Prequels
EP VIII Somewhat flawed but fascinating soft deconstruction of the Saga
EP IX Hell if I know.....Can't wait to find out though....
That's incredibly generous of you. As far as I'm concerned it's more like; EpVII -> The first 20 minutes = Titanic sailing. Next 20 minutes = A wild Iceberg approaches. Remainder of the film = Titanic slowly, deliberately sinking.
Ep VIII -> Attempted retrieval of the sunken Titanic goes terribly wrong, everyone involved dies, and (perhaps entirely unrelated, perhaps not) a pet store filled with nothing but kittens catches fire and burns to the ground.
Ep IX -> The franchise I knew, gone it is, consumed by Darth Disney.
Sean C titanic metaphors aside, being in charge of a franchise (god I hate that word) like Star Wars poses a lot of unique challenges. There really is no roadmap for keeping something like this fresh and relevant for a modern global audience . I personally think the future of SW is pretty bright. And sequel trilogy will ultimately be regarded as growing pains so that the franchise can evolve.
The Tragedy of Darth Kennedy the inept.
Tragedy? That bitch is living her best life! She's completely incompetent and deeply despised by a significant portion of the audience she supervises movies for...but she's never going to be fired and will continue to sit in an office she's never deserved while armies of rabid SJW's protect her from any real backlash. In due time she'll retire with a big golden parachute and be celebrated as one of the most accomplished women who's ever worked at Disney, a lie the mass media, aforementioned SJW's and Disney themselves will happily promulgate for years to come to protect the progressive narrative.
You couldn't ask for a sweeter deal.
Jk
@Pinkaugust yes, I'm pretty sure Abrams will try to mimic The Return of Jedi. We are going to see another big base destroyed by the Millennial Falcon and someone throwing Palpatine to some kind of nuclear core. I like the movies, but I'm not a hadcore fan so I think that instead of seing another rehash I will spend the money and time in something else.
@@Adex767 ...She's like the queen hyena at Lucasfilm - yeah, it's a matriarchy alright!
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A friend of mine joked “Disney just brought Star Wars so it wouldn’t compete with Marvel.”
As time goes by I’m not entirely convinced he’s wrong.
I also wonder if Disney purchased Star Wars to keep it out of the hands of someone else.
I can only believe that people at Disney corporate cursed themselves at how Harry Potter slipped through their fingers - and doubly cursed themselves when Universal ran with it - and continues to run with it - at least in the theme parks.
Part of business, but especially big business, isn't just making sure that you win - you also have to make sure your opponents lose - and that's not necessarily the same thing.
Just imagine, hypothetically, if Star Wars had been sold to Universal, or Sony, what we might have gotten. Sure Kathleen Kennedy might still have been part of the deal, but Universal or Sony just might have been able to get control of things before she went full woke potato.
That's stupid, why would people stop watching marvel because of a good star wars movie? or vice versa
No, there were no other buyers, and no more Star Wars being made.
@@MidnightsEdge
That's surprising and disappointing.
I'd always heard that Lucas was a good businessman (merchandising and the like), I thought he would have shopped around at least a little, even behind the scenes.
At the time and even today... I doubt Sony or Universal could have fronted the cash... they are both Struggling studios... and 😂😂😂😂😂 Sony would ruin Star Wars even more than Disney has lol Member Ghostbuster? Member the Amazing Spider-Mans? Member? 😂😂😂
I was in my local cinema recently and saw the poster of The Rise of Skywalker located at the very end of the hall, where barely anyone can see it. I guess even they were ashamed of it.
It's the first poster people will see coming out of the theater Stupid!! Think before you write your crap that some will believe!
@@thomashumphrey4953 Disney shills all over this video, I see.
It's a terrible poster. They can't even make a good one because they are still figuring it out.
@@thomashumphrey4953 Considering most entrances aren't located there it's highly unlikely.
Disney should start over and ignore the sequel trilogy...
Too much money
Anonymous Goat they made billions off the movies what do you mean
@@cane870 last jedi and solo flopped so they need more money
@@anonymousgoat2837 the last jedi did not flop. But they wont shelve the sequel trilogy because that pretty much going back from the SJW/feminist agenda. And Disney will not do that
Always said this trilogy should of been a vision of rey and start all the way over with this sad piece of shit trilogy
And bring mace windu back
Dave Filoni should have had a chance to run it since he and George ran the Clone Wars animated series at the time Disney bought Lucasfilm
I was really hoping that they would have given Filoni a role in Ep. 7-9. I think that would have made for a much stronger film trilogy.
No, absolutely not.
Aren't they continuing the clone wars or am I dumb?
Dave Filoini should have been made head creative director but CEO, absolutely not, don’t even know how that thought even made sense to you as you typed it
@@alexanderramirez8670 Anyone is better than Kennedy.
Sees title: I already know why it failed.
Watches anyway.
I mean, it didn't though. Not by any available metric. It made a ton of money, it was critically acclaimed, it got Oscar nominations, and most people seem to like the new movies, certainly more so than they did the prequels... the only people who think Star Wars is "failing" all of a sudden are those in the internet nerd echo chambers that just keep saying it failed over and over again hoping it will become true, and assuming everyone agrees with them because they only talk to people who already agree with them.
@@printthelegends They failed to get MY money. I can't bring myself to spend a dime to watch it. Might not even watch it for free.
Disney bought a 2/3 complete mythology then decided to make up their own ending to it, ignoring the creator.
That's why. There's no mystery to this.
No, they bought a complete mythology and decided to say screw the ending that already existed and was good, lets go for a cash grab to justify buying this property.
@Lawrence S --- You nailed it. It's really as simple as that... It's the same thing as if writers on a good show were fired or went on strike and then new hacks decided to write the new season: it is disjointed and suffers from poor vision or lack of any vision at all...
Buying the "rights" to an idea doesn't equate to being able to convey it's "spirit" - and the true fans sense this.
...Because this 'Force' is strong with us. 🤗
The creator made Jar Jar. The creator is an idiot.
History's biggest traitors:
-Judas
-Casius
-Brutus
-Kathleen Kennedy
Am i forgetting someone else?
Benedict Arnold
David Benioff and DB Weiss.
Casey Affleck, when he did that Joaquin Phoenix documentary. Never forget this asshole
Shyamalans destruction of Last Airbender.
@Pinkaugust not in order
Disney told all the fans their beloved characters will be back! Only to kill them all. The last Jedi is the worst, and most disrespectful movie i have ever seen.
What were you expecting would happen to them? Play the same 30 year old's they were in OT? The actors are in their 60s and 70s now. Carrie Fisher died in real life halfway through making the third film. These characters weren't going to be around forever. How is the TLJ disrespectful? TLJ was about generational disillusionment. Luke, Rey and Kylo are all disillusioned with trying to live up to the respective legacies that overshadow them. That's the point the film was trying to tell you. But that went over your head because you wanted Super Saiyan Jedi Luke from the EU.
@Moloch Moloch What's wrong with that? The Mandalorian cultural is matriarchal.
@@BlueHooloovoo A competent writer can write a story with the old trio, and then include new characters in their adventures. TLJ took the most hopeful and beloved character, by most, in the series, and turned him into a whiny bitch who gave up and abandoned his friends and family. Luke would never do that, as Mark Hamill himself said in plenty of interviews. On top of that Luke tried to kill Kylo, which is completely out of character. Luke could not kill his mega murderous Father, yet he will try to kill own nephew? Don't say Luke sensed Kylo's dark, side, because Rey, could sense good in him. Ruin Johnson did not comprehend the lore and the overall message of the originals, so he wrote this awful story as a result. TLJ disrespects its core characters, the original story, and even the new characters. A boring space chase, with an even more boring Casino mission. TLJ kills the original legacy, attempts to be funny and it fails miserably. What i can't comprehend is why are you defending this POS movie.
Tom Gerlach No, Disney is at fault for not hiring someone qualified to handle the writing and direction of the film. It was Disney bitching about the fans for not liking the piece of shit movie. Mark only tried to warn us. Mark knew that idiot did not know or understand what Star Wars was all about, and for that I thank him.
Lucas: One vision, one writer, one director, one complete saga.
Disney: No vision, no writer, no director, no complete saga.
They could have easily adopted elements from the Thrawn Trilogy and Yuuzang Wong invasion and mixem up with the micro world that George wanted
that would have been incredibly cool and expand on the lore, but Kathleen just wanted to make the Force female for some reason while just lazily re-hashing all the plot points and ships / planets from the OT
wouldn't have mattered. Rian Johnson would have fucked it up anyway and we would still be in the same mess.
Absolutely! The Force is female in those books, Mara Jade & Jaina Solo are such better characters than anything they have come up with so far. I think the drawback to going to those books is that Harrison, Carrie and Mark were so old that they would have to be recast, and maybe that seemed like a bridge too far. After Solo flopped, I think anyone who is going to suggest recasting any of the big 3 and doing sequels based on those characters should have their personal effects pre-packed, because they will probably get fired. Truth is, as an old-school SW fan I would rather see new actors in a good story than the originals in a bad and insulting story.
Indeed, the new movies would have needed to be set _after_ the New Jedi Order books were set anyway, if they were going to include the old main cast.
I think "killing" Jacen, Jaina, Mara and the others was such a lost opportunity. They could have introduced them as adults but kept them at the fringe of the new story. Then taken advantage of them and made a TV series about when they were young: and boosted sales of the existing old books and other material in the process instead of throwing them at the waste-heap.
@@Duvallmd Exactly, what really doomed this trilogy is not having a coherent road map and letting some second grade indi director do whatever the fuck he wanted.
0:40 "We can pinpoint where things went wrong" - Shows picture of Rian Johnson.
@@magellanthecat Points to a picture of an Ewok.
Rian Johnson's head is the new Death Star.
@Darth Maul True.
@Darth Maul People were willing to overlook the flaws of TFA in hope that things would get better. They were also just happy to have a star wars movie. Or at least that was my reasons for originally liking it.
@Darth Maul No, TFA was functional it did what it needed to do, no more, no less: It tapped heavily into nostalgia while setting the stage for something new to move the series forward... then Rian Johnson shat on that stage, burned it and the foundation it was built upon and then pissed on the ashes then jerked off onto the piss soaked ashes gazing into a mirror crying "Subversion!" over and over again while Katheen Kennedy sat back applauding approvingly.
TFA was not great little more than fanservice the film but it left open the hope greatness could follow it. TLJ was just one long extended smug F_ck you to Star Wars and the fans.
Marvel and Pixar had a clean slate to work from. Star Wars had decades of legacy to destroy.
yeah, I never really saw a difference of Pixar before and after Disney, maybe Pixar had more sequels but they also had good originals.
@UCOkQ4vfdVUfFZ8VQL70iorA 👍👍 Disney came in October of 2012 and began to purge the Star Wars lore with the arrogance that they new better. Forget the fact that up to that point, for 35 years a film franchise expanded beyond just the screen. It established a fanbase that thanks to the Marvel comics, other comics, games and other media gave people something to pass down to their kids. I am not saying that all of these ideas are without criticism , but are just as important as the lore behind say Iron Man, Thor or any other MCU character.
Marvel's been around longer than Star Wars.
Lucas got shafted, however you look at it!
Pixar was an established Independent Studio. It just had to keep doing what it was doing. Same with the MCU. As far as film production goes, LucasFilm was the closest thing to a "clean slate" they had. Not because it didn't have an established universe, but because minus an active EU universe (which, to be fair, Lucas also dismissed as Canon for any future film production if he wanted to go another way and did ignore during the prequel as there were continuity conflicts). But it was dormant as a film franchise and not doing much on TV either. This isn't a down vote. Literally Disney could have done nothing but collect from there ownership of the old stuff, but no they got greedy and wanted to shove almost everything pre existing down the toilet.
Billions of dollars and can't make a good Star Wars movie.With their money and power Star Wars should be mind blowing😥
In order to have a powerful film, it has to have a backbone of steel and a brain of gold, on which to pack all that special effect and big moments muscle. Star Wars worked because George Lucas’ vision and Irvin Kirshner’s guidance. Ghostbusters worked because of Dan Aykroyd’s vision and Harold Ramis’ guidance. Star Trek worked because of Gene Roddenberry’s vision and Gene Coon’s guidance. New Star Wars movies need to come from someone with a strong vision and someone else with ability to ground it and inject it with meaning for us.
Because Kevin Feige actually treated the fans with RESPECT since the first Iron Man movie.
"We always knew, and this is something I learned from over at Marvel and working with Kevin Feige, is you always want to keep the core fans in mind, because they have been the ones that've been keeping the torch lit for many, many years, but these stories are also for young people and for new audiences. These are myths, and so you always want to have an outstretched hand to people who might not have that background. And so you're really telling two stories at once. You're telling the story for the people who are fresh eyes, and you're telling the story for the people who've been there with the property and with the stories and the characters for so many years, and make sure that you're honoring them as well." - Jon Favreau
Simple. Kevin Feige approached the idea of a MCU with a plan, one well thought out, with an understanding of the source material.
Kathleen Kennedy, on the other hand.... "StrOng wHamEn REEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
get woke, go broke
There are more writers behind the MCU than Star Wars, same thing with directors too!
Marvel had 40+ years of back stories that they have been resting their laurels on... ya'll sound so dumb its actually very funny. "gEt wOkE gO bRoKe" but i don't see them going broke any time soon.
Yes and Kevin spent 10yrs building up his clout before showing his true colors "WOKE". Not surprised u didn't mentioned that though. So he's not the answer either. Sorry
Phase 4 has not yet begun.
Disney just took Star Wars for granted.
They just assumed they could slap something out there and people would just lap it up.
Bringing in established marvel fans and gaining new ones into the theaters, not to mention most comic book fans being ok with most changes in film from comics, Disney got overconfident thinking this success could be replicated with star wars no matter what Kennedy did.
@@RobertJackson-sl1mk yeah it seems everything else connected to SW is not fairing so well. This last movie will make $ cuz it's closure but toys, theme park, cartoons, other movies after ep8, all struggling.
Unfortunately for at least half of the fanbase, it’s working.
Vlad Piranha I still thing it was good that doesn't mean it's perfect but it was a good start to getting the brand back out there after being out of theaters since clone wars animated movie but Johnson failed to deliver further insight to questions raised in the force awakens now the rise of skywalker has to fix what Johnson messed up
And millions have. Its a shame some people actually like being fed trash.
IMO it's too late, merchandise sales never come back when the customers have been treated badly.
If you begin to treat them well for now on it can, time heal all wounds
@@splashnskillz37 by that time Disney would just bury the Star Wars brand. Anything else is admitting a mistake, and Disney rarely admit a mistake.
@@MaskmanCor they don't need to, everybody knows they fucked up, and no because they producing content and there will be some hits like rogue one
No giant corporation would admit a mistake if they don't have to. Something something stock investors' confidence blablabla
@@Acolyte47 when has Disney ever admitted it failed at something, even inside their company they don't allow bad news of any kind unless it's spun with good news
Has J.J. Abrams ever "stuck the landing"? He's good at making people wonder what's inside the mystery box, but he doesn't seem to know or care what to put in it.
To my knowledge, no. This is because he never actually plans what is in the box. He has explained, as you seem to know, that he believes in the box more than what it contains.
True. I never got "Lost" For me once people started showing up on the island it became "Gilligan's Island"
He is human clickbait
@@Tareltonlives Haha! Perfect description.
i never understood his appeal or how he became successful at all lol
The first nail in the coffin was getting rid of the old EU
Absolutely. If Disney suddenly declared Marvel comics noncanon and mandated the new comics follow the MCU, everyone would flip their lid. This was basically that.
They could not even throw a bone to the Fans and claim there is a Mutiverse? I Sith Hate them.
No. The EU was never even canon.
@@thehmc I say it is and that is good enough for me. All hail me.
@@thehmc It was though
This was pretty insightful. Just recently I was wondering about what was really going through George's mind prior to striking this deal with 'the house of the mouse'. All this sounds pretty likely.
he was pretty much done with the franchise after the prequels.
@@brunoayala5925 well he was still working on the clone wars
That Luke milking scene haunts my dreams
That was the plan Ruin Johnson loves that sh*t
Doesn't that scene make you want to run to Disneyland right now to go try some of that!? No?
I sadly have become a member of the is TLJ PTSD club after a nervous breakdown.
You are not alone in your milking scene agony.
We can beat this togheter.
I know Its tough but we keep going on step by step.
Milking that sea cow was cringe. That sea cow making eye contact with Rey, forcing her to turn away embarrassed was super cringe.
It was genuinely disturbing.
Complete lack of creative integrity. They had not the faintest interest to extract the essence of Star Wars, the gritty lived in universe, and expand upon it. Lesson in how to do it right would be The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, which beautifully takes everything that the original movie was loved for and expands the world far beyond the dreams of even the biggest OG fans.
Fuck yea...the dark crystal, and cobra kai continue a legacy RIGHT. Respecting the legacy, while still expanding on the lore im unexpected ways
Yes, but hyper-woke Netflix was always going to treat Dark Crystal right, with reverence: because the Gelfling are matriarchal, and combating a patriarchal society: the Skesis ( see making-of documentary on Netflix ). The world of Thra, itself, has a kind Gaia-esque female sensibility to it, with Aughra claiming she _is_ Thra. This goes right up their New Age, 'The Force is Female', Bobo alley! Unfortunately for Star Wars, however, it had always been, traditionally, a male-oriented franchise - which is why toys were, and still are, found in the boy-isle. So we couldn't expect a respectful treatment from rabid feminists on that account; they had to screw it up to show boys they had the power, now, under the guise of allegedly expanding marketshare to girls ( which predictably failed ).
It's pretty based in that messaging really. At its core The Dark Crystal is about it balance in everything. The Gelflings are a matriarchal society that was so agreeable and obsessed with keeping everything socially desirable that they were easily coopted by interglobalists. It then took a guy to say 'fuck this shit', who then first got cancelled by society to kick things into gear.
"Who would take care of his life's work?"
The worms. Because Disney buried it.
nobody , coz nobody takes care of shity corpse :D
They saved it after the boring-ass prequels. You might not like it, but kids are excited for Star Wars again, and kids are ultimately who these movies are for.
@@printthelegends You know what, you're right! That must be why star wars merchandise is rotting in bargain bins across the country...
Anvillior 😂😂😂 damn you roasted him..
@@oiwithyou Ouch. Nailed me! I mean, other than the fact that overestimation of toy and merch sales has been a problem for pretty much every blockbuster franchise, Star Wars included, since the Toy Story debacle back in 1995, to the point that bargain bin Star Wars stuff was significantly more ubiquitous in the late 90s and early 00s than it is now, yet no one ever seems to bring that up as a point against the prequels anymore since everyone suddenly decided they like them after fifteen solid years of scorn.
Eh, whatever. Doesn't matter, I suppose. You know, I always swore I was above these nerd arguments, yet here I am, dragging myself back into it. This is what happens when I drink before going on TH-cam. I need to stop that. So egg on my face? Star Wars will be here until the heat death of the universe regardless of my opinions on Phantom Menace or yours on Last Jedi or anyone's on toy sales or video games or comics or any and all of it.
Kennedy should have been ousted after TFA. Johnson never should have been hired.
I’m betting she was about to be and she pitched hard that she could recover the franchise and it’s unfair to fire her without letting her complete the sequel project. Iger trusted her and that’s what has gotten him fired. Stockholders must be pissed
Honestly, no it wont end the Skywalker saga.
It ended with episode 6.
These are just Disney fan fiction.
Even George Lukas thinks that.
Too bad these new sequels have tarnished whatever potential going forward the Star Wars universe could take. Now the legacies of Luke, Leia, Han and the rest of the Rebel Alliance have been reduced to rubble to ensure a rehash of authoritarian government versus underdog. Future stories will have to treat Luke Skywalker as a failed hero turned coward who will only be remembered due to a sparkly new messiah named Rey co-opting his name for her own purposes. Even worse, Leia and Han will be remembered for birthing Space Hitler Mark II and not for their sacrifices for attempting to bring peace to the galaxy.
The answer is the Kennedy/Johnson administration.
There's something I could to that but I'm not going to.
@@johnenigma8506
Grassy Knoll
Don’t forget JJ abrams
Now there's two that should be impeached!!
So someone needs yo shoot Katheen in a Dallas motorcade?
Go back to the EU material and bring some of those stories to the big screen. That's Disney's best bet at creating something that's good and appealing to all fans.
Too late
Would love to see the x-wing series made into a tv series like game of thrones... minus the horrible end season.
@@trevorrandom There's talk they may go back to the Knights of the Old Republic era, but I worry about how much damage Disney could do to some of the best entries in the defunct EU.
I personally want Lucas’ VII-IX in some form, but nothing says you still can’t make animated films based on the EU stories like Warner’s been doing for years.
@@ForceMaximus84 EU is Gay.
The term "red flag" and the name "Kathleen Kennedy" are synonymous.
At this point, how will the Star Wars fanbase recover in the next decade after this idiot
@@finecastleie prolly by becoming fans of other franchises. I’ve spent the last couple years getting into Pokemon
all that had to happen was luke needed to be the hero and the true grandmaster he was created to be. That freaking simple. Respect the characters and the story. You failed disney...enjoy all your instant katrma.
Or rather, he needed to be a respectable elder. After the Prequel Trilogy made Anakin the protagonist and not Luke (for obvious reasons), it only makes sense that the protagonists of the Sequel Trilogy be different, with the OT Trio being support/ elders, say what you will for the execution in this timeline.
Bro they coulda just copied the expanded universe and tweak the weird shit. So easy, I dunno what they were thinking
"What did you do? WHAT DID YOU DO??"
Lucas looks to Kathleen K who has just snapped his sequel trilogy out of existence, and now wields the smoking glove of a franchise...
Unfortunately there is no AntMan time machine to stop KK destroying the Universe :-(
To my understanding, when George said "I want the Pixar deal" George wasn't saying "I want 7 billion." He was saying "I still want to be the 'head of Star Wars.'" To my understanding, George wanted Lucasfilms to operate the same way after the purchase as it did before. I think it was Iger who jumped and assumed that by "the Pixar deal" he meant the same amount of money.
Lucas could have *said* so.
@@Evil0tto Lucas did though. Iger took it to mean money which makes me wonder if Iger can only see things in terms of numbers.
@@theskepticpirate156 The thing is, when you're talking about multi-billion dollar deals these things are worked out to a ridiculous degree, with armies of lawyers on both sides pouring over contracts and agreements. Nothing like that is left to chance or misinterpretation. Whatever Lucas wanted would have been specified *exactly* in the contracts. If Lucas wanted to be head of Star Wars he would have gotten that, or there would have been no sale.
@@theskepticpirate156 hes a businessman. of COURSE thats how he sees things!
@@theskepticpirate156 no i disagree after disney didnt give them the pixar deal they said they want the marvel deal and got 4.05 billion dollars which means he was talking about money
Star Wars had baggage: a ONE, single timeline and lore that dated back 40 years. Many aspects of the SW universe had been established in games, comics, movies, and tv shows. There is a continuity that exists between all SW-related media. Its fans understood this.
Marvel: It came with a "blank" slate. while Marvel comics has been around for longer than SW, it is understood that many universes exist. There are already like 8 (probably more) different established comic universes and numerous tv show universes. There is no required continuity across the different Marvel media. Its movies can be started from scratch. And it was. Characters were given origin stories and storylines that deviated heavily from their comic counterparts. Its fans understood this.
As such, making a SW film comes with an increased possibility of messing up the established lore. Luke's character assassination, Leia's force powers, the knights of ren, snoke, the continuation of the republic empire after the death of the emperor (i can go on and on). You can't just push out new stuff that contradicts years and years of backstory (unlike Marvel). There is only one Luke skywalker, one han solo, one leia. Marvel has 3 different Peter parkers over the last decade.
TLD: they angered the SW fans with inconsistent storytelling. We didn't like it. And we know there's no going back. So why continue watching?
Keep watching because you are a Star Wars fan and that will never go away. Real fans loved every movie. I loved them all with no exception and now my fandom will carry one with the TV Shows. Star Wars forever.
@@Tiagofgs1977 You love star wars, cause it got quality or appealed you in one thing, Not because it is star wars. By your definition "real" fans would also love every porn made in the star wars universe, cause you know it's Star wars
@@DundG I only watch cannon Star Wars which include also The Ewok Adventure and The Battle for Endor and I love reading the books with my favourite being Bloodline and Lost Stars. I believe we have very different visions of Star Wars. Star Wars fans would never even think of porno as star Wars movies. We are all Real star Wars Fans but we love it, apparently for different reasons.
@@Tiagofgs1977 I just concluded what you meant by your statement. I could not figure out why you love, star wars, just that you love it with no exception, which could be interpreted as "I love it cause it`s star wars" which is a ridiculous statement. Every brand needs to maintain a certain quality in the points its represents (like continuity in star wars) or it loses it`s appeal.
Not everything in the expanded universe was automatically canon. Very little of it was, actually.
Keep in mind it was George Lucas that insisted Kennedy be appointed head of Lucasfilm, not Disney. Seems George may have unwittingly played a larger part in Star Wars downfall than originally thought
The biggest mistake with the modem movies was not giving Han and Leia a bunch of kids. If they had like four or more kids that could fuel stories for decades
Her "good production ideas" was bringing her own kneepads.
😂
My Name 😂😂😂👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
YES finally someone on the internet that had that same thought
She acted like a scorned lover. Her actions were payback.
Really? Who do you think she was scorned by? Lucas?
I don't think he would have hired her had they been involved like that.
@@JD-mz1rl something happened for her to take his trust in her and allow what happened to the franchise. Her history with Lucas and Spielberg goes a long way back. Hell hath no fury for a woman scorned.
@@daviddiaz529 just shows you that you should NEVER trust a female .
Keep them on short leash and beat repetadly to remind them who is the master :D
Kennedy was the wrong choice to run Lucasfilm and she was a complete back stabber!
Typical woman.
Space horses charging along a star destroyer?... Im out like a hyperdrive jump.
I dont need to watch the first scene of anything. I remember when lightsabers cut through anything, now disney only lets sabers do minimal damage.
Piss off with your not much thought reply.
@Stratowind Yeah, like ships requiring fuel for Hyperspace when they haven't canonically had ANY fuel for over 40 years. Ewoks and JarJar served the purpose they were created for, and Anakin had innate force and flight abilities with assistance from R2. Begone with your false, sarcastic claims that the sequels innovated better than the originals and prequels, because they aren't.
Stormtroopers riding Dewbacks in the first film. Luke riding a tauntaun in the second. Ewoks in the third. Obi Wan riding a giant lizard in the sixth.
There has ALWAYS been this juxtaposition between the futuristic and the natural world.
I laughed out loud in the theater at that part! 🤣
Star Wars has been a solid part of my life for nearly 30 years, and I've loved it from day 1. It absolutely burns my ass that Disney has done such a ridiculously unquestionably AWESOME job with the MCU, but has done almost the exact opposite with Star Wars. Don't get me wrong; I enjoyed Rogue One and the Rebels tv series, but those were both in a way limited to material that already existed, they could only go so far with it. But when they COULD go far they went way TOO far and completely ruined it.
Disney should of never been allowed to buy Star Wars they killed it.
Disney cannibalised Star Wars......
TCW movie and series was when Star Wars died. Disney resurrected the franchise from the grave Lucas was digging for it.
Star Wars 1313?
Churn Blanston Oh bullshit. Star Wars never died. Yeah sure the Clone Wars movie wasn’t great but it didn’t kill the franchise.
Actually lucas already killed it with Episode 1.
I can't help but picture a tearful George Lucas yelling at Kathleen Kennedy "you were the Chosen One!"
I think it boils down to fiege's respect for the characters.
He didn't do the thing that Hollywood always does. People in Hollywood have huge massive egos and they think they can do better... Fact they need to change it to stroke their own ego.
and when the movie fails is never because of them,its aways the trools or the release date or wharever else
That's not all they stroke. I won't anything else about that here.
Mac Mcleod Yes, indeed. Feige puts the material first.
Iron man 1 and Hulk wasn't even Disney
Fiege is destroying the characters now tho, what about Thor? Hulk? Spiderman? Endgame wasn't that good
The difference is they didn't stick to the already-existing material like with Marvel
TBF, there was a mountain of already-existing material that they would've had to sift through. I would've been for rebooting the universe instead.
Cause its all boring. That's why the movies started in the middle of the books series
Marvel was a different beast due to the plethora of universes and alternate story lines the MCU could make a new universe to play with while keeping the best of the old. Star Wars was more like the Lord of the rings universe, all continuous and requiring a deft hand Disney lacked. George Lucas should of hired Peter Jackson over Kathleen Kennedy as at least Peter Jackson showed the rare talent of respecting source material.
@@tsiefhtes maybe a little too respectful. Ohfff that hobbit series was a long haul
@@tsiefhtes (cough) The Hobbit (cough)
"Iger promised Marvel would remain Marvel"
....Yeah, about that...
It has been 10 years since Disney bought Marvel and the Marvel today is a joke to what the Marvel in 2009 was.
assassinwarrior ?
@@BattlestarZenobia the comic book side they mean
The MCU money train is going to come to a screeching halt soon. Boring starbuck-drinking Hulk, boring Black Panther, boring Chinese superhero, boring Captain Marvel and boring Eternals(who?) then add all the sjw-driven agenda and you have a recipe for disaster.
@@jtno2 I wouldn't say that because Disney has green lighted rated R movie in the MCU. I believe the rated R movies we will be getting are Punisher, Blade, and Deadpool. The Netfilx actor for punisher is in talks about his punisher movie role and Ryan Reynolds said he will be doing Deadpool again. Marvel pg-13 movies may lag behind but most likely its rated r movies will be its saving grace.
The person to pity here is Frank Marshall. He has to wake up every morning next to the woman who single handedly killed Star Wars. He's like the male version of Eva Braun.
The moral of the story is: If you hire an assistant who can't type... FIRE HER IMMEDIATELY!
There's only ONE reason a secretary that can't type gets promoted....
@@ShinSeikiEvan I wonder what skeletons KK knows about in Lucas and Spielberg's closets.
Every mistake in human history can be summed up as “It looked good on paper “
Folks, take a look at Disney's acquisition of Jim Henson Productions and see the future of Lucasfilm.
Well, there was already a muppet babies show, they only adapted it to childs of today, and the quality is up to each us to judge it
Best part of that deal was that Jim Henson set it up so Disney couldn't get their corporate hands on sesame Street. I can only imagine what "lessons" a Disney owned Sesame Street would be teaching kids today....
@@CrimsonID4 looking at disney junior i doubt could something bad, i mean, look at sofia the first, even being a kids show it have certain degree of character development, the protagonist is far from be irritating: a girl that isn't a mary sue, but someone who commit mistakes and acknowledge when she need help or must correct some mistake, and respectful for her elders, also, is funny that her show is attacked by both left and right, the first due to the fact that she's from a very traditional family and being femenine, and the others due to the magic element...also her show treated fauna, flora and merryweather more respectfilly than the maleficent's films did
Great analysis.
The reason why Star Wars failed is because Disney actually had to make something original.
t's all about proper management .When you have a created organization like Lucas film , you must in some case listen to the original creator because the creator is the heart of that story and it will keep it originality!
Eh, a good franchise can make it without the original creator. But only if those who take it on both know and respect what made it originally work and have good ideas on how to move forward. Star Trek (which ended after season 4 of Enterprise), Marvel and DC, Conan, James Bond, etc. It can be done...but Disney is showing they don't know how.
They should have given creative control to Dave Filoni, and not had him bogged down with two animated series.
Having starting out as a super-fan before he got on the inside, he _knows_ Star Wars better than anyone else at Lucasfilm. After his track-record with the Clone Wars, he should have been the obvious choice.
(Just stop him from inserting too many wolves ... ;) )
Disney killed the Star Wars Franchise, sang to the tune of video killed the radio star.
What a ride from Loving to Loathing SW
Great video!
I thought it was going to be a rant video, but instead it was a analysis, and was very informal.
Subbed with notifications on.
The Mandalorian is the new blueprint for a new saga.
THIS IS THE WAY.
Yes, however it's set in the same series of events that led to 7-9.
It's a dumb universe.
4, 5, 6... the only good ones.
@@moncoppyton 4, 5, and first half of 6
"And Ewoks destroy the Empire" -Vader
"That's very unlikely" - Luke, Robot Chicken
The look on George's face in the thumbnail should've been a redflag.
Lucas rarely smiles, even in his early pictures from over 40 years ago, and I'm even talking about personal pictures where he should've been smiling he had blank expressions.
Bob Iger conned Lucas, while Kathleen Kennedy betrayed him.
10:15 so it’s Kennedy’s fault. She straight up betrayed Lucas.
Lucas: you were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy Iger's ideas, not join him. Bring profit to the mouse, not leave him in debt! You were my successor, Kathleen. I trusted you!
It's treason then...
She and Iger did, but I’d say Kennedy more because they have more of a history together.
@@ericgarcia4745 Kennedy (to Lucas): I HATE YOU !!!
Pinkaugust “Murdered”. Now the unified fandom is all but extinct. 😔
"he had no heir, that could or would success his lucasfilm baby"
so he sold it to the devil 🤷♂️
To be fair, he sold it to a company that was run by someone who he was friendly with, and they'd treated both Pixar and Marvel well. So, it's highly unlikely that Disney looked like the devil to him at the time. That being said, they then proceeded to trash his legacy, so yeah, he sold it to the devil.
I mean, Disney did well enough with Marvel and have some of the best special effects in the business. He must have though he would be leaving Star Wars in good hands.
Worse he sold it to Disney.
more like rodent :D
Disney was a well-oiled machine when Lucas sold it to them, TBF.
"Rogue One" was a war movie, set in the Star Wars universe.
"Solo" was an origin story, but should simply have been a heist movie, set in the Star Wars universe.
"The Mandalorian" seems to be a western series, set in the Star Wars universe.
A "Kenobi" movie could be a detective or spy thriller, set in the Star Wars universe.
Why is this so hard? Just get a known character from the Star Wars universe, set them in the Star Wars universe.....and start going through the classical movie genres.
A "Wedge" (or perhaps "Antilles") movie could be a space combat movie. A cross over with a sequel to "Rogue One" could be a special forces scoot-n-loot action movie. It could tell the story of the development of the B-Wing.
I am sure they could get away with a sort of submarine movie, a martial arts movie (think Donnie Yen) or even a comedy.
The money is right there, Disney. Just park your political ideas to one side and grab them.
Forget about tie-ins and Easter eggs. Just make good movie, that happen to be set in the Star Wars universe.
Rogue One is by far the best movie from the Disney era. Solo is decent enough, too. It is sad that I'm wondering how did Rogue One to turn out so good given the state of Lucasfilm.
You get it in an a way most don't seem to. Star Wars is a versatile enough concept/universe that you could do just about anything in it and as long as it was well made and doesn't contradict other movies/canon resources it will turn out well and everybody, from the fans to the uninitiated, would enjoy it. They didn't follow the second thing when making the new trilogy which made people angry and lost money (not literally but in the sense of not getting anywhere near as much as they could have)
@@geraq0 Because Lucas had already set up the start and end point for Rogue One and it was before that awful director of TLJ got involved.
Oh I would love to see a movie about the development of the B-wing that would be ace. They could make a follow on movie about the A-wing also. Why is this person not the head of creativity Disney?
🤣 Fucking B-wing.....
Disney princesses in space would've made a ton of money from the Frozen crowd
they should have just kept their promise to treat the original characters with respect
So if it isn't a memoir, is it more like Rommel's Infantry Attacks?
strategicperson95 “You magnificent bastard. I read your book!!”
Business is war.
@@namolokaman2393
Some businessmen reads "Art of War" ... so, yes, part of it is.
"How Star Wars audiences will respond (to episode 9)?!?! Look around. My guess is that fans will push to get the sequel trilogy bumped from canon status or at the minimum run with Legends continuity as canon in their minds no matter what Disney poobahs decree.
Star Wars legends is my continuity and will not go see episode nine and will not let that story even into my brain. JJ sucks Ryan sucks and Kathleen sucks and even Bob Iger sucks
Didn’t we already do that? Every fan I know looks at Disney sw as bad fanfic where as legends is the true cannon.
@@hitandruncommentor yes, you are absolutely right about the Legends segment of my comment but that was minimum. Think about it. Wouldn't it be nice if the fandom were able to exert enough pressure that that awful abomination of a car wreck, the Last Jedi were wiped from Hollywood culture Soviet style?
Another very well done video. Very informative, logical, and without fanboy rage or other nonsense.
From what I can tell, Disney Star Wars failed because:
1) No planning - or rather very poor planning. On top of believing Star Wars was a guaranteed win (see Galaxy’s Edge), they really didn’t have a set plan for where the story was going to end up. This is apparent with how Ruin Johnson went on his own tangent. Speaking of which...
2) Not enough people onboard who understand/respect the source material. George made his own mistakes with retcons and bits that didn’t add up from Prequel to OT, but there were still signs that he tried and put passion into those films with himself and the people he brought onboard. The writers currently working on the franchise save for Filloni and a handful of others seem to have their own interests at heart rather than the continuation of the story.
3) I know that there are people prowling for a fight, so I’ll just say this before going on. Absolutely nothing wrong with diversity. But when you uphold diversity to the detriment of product quality, you’re setting up yourself for failure.
4) Never - *NEVER* - insult your target demographic or your customer base. To loosely quote my marketing professor, people will remember how you made them feel. And if it was something the class could collectively agree on, a successful marketing campaign requires you to respect your customers. They’re the source of your income and you aren’t doing yourself any favors by scratching at the hand that feeds you.
5) This is just a shot in the dark, but from what I can tell, they’ve been carrying out little-to-no market research to understand who is buying what. Why else would they license Star Wars games to EA, a company with perhaps the most consistently tainted reputation within the last decade? Even a Google search could reveal how the public felt about the infamous game developer and how many games they’ve botched/studios they’ve dissolved. And it’s this horrendous decision which is giving me a nasty impression of what might be going on under the hood.
In other words, it’s too late for any course correction that would be affective. It’s been seven years since acquisition, two since the Star Wars disasters of 2017. Any opportunity for repair is long-gone and everyone walks away with this with scars that won’t be forgotten. Aside from a complete culling of the writer’s and heads within the Lucasfilm division, I don’t see how they’re bouncing back.
@Stratowind I don't see how letting your director belittle the customers for not liking his film helps. Out of all seriousness, Rian Johnson's ego and bombastic behavior is a lot more destructive than most are willing to realize. Disney has done little to disavow his words over the last two years.
it's the boomers man, sure they use tech and computers, but they didn't grow up with it and they still worshiped TV as something
the cell phone/ Internet communications revolution changed the as much as the industrial revolution
we need younger people in government, too many outdated politicians
Honestly, I think the franchise needs to take a break for a few years.
What it needs is a new direction completely removed from what came before. The mandalorian looks 10 times more interesting than the current movies. It's not good enough to rehash what was there before. Those remakes never work out, financially they tend to under perform. Look at MIB, Ghostbusters and everything else that rides the nostalgia wave. Fans don't want more of the same, they want a continuation and new stories set in the same universe. The star Wars games for example did this really well early on. Tie Fighter, knights of the old republic etc. Showed this to be true.
They probably won't have a choice. Once RoS hits theaters most people will have their interest in the brand completely zapped. I hate to see the brand go into the deep freeze.
I've heard speculation that the Disney+ shows will be the holdover while they take some time off the movies. Even Eiger suggested there would be a break in the movies, citing audience fatigue. I just hope they actually get their s*** together and have a firm roadmap before they try making another trilogy (and no more hiring hack directors who want to do their own thing instead of making Star Wars movies)
I say leave it all behind and go forward a thousand years after Episode IX for a fresh start, while honoring the history before.
@@evertonporter7887 Or go back about 4000 years and make an old republic movie. Hell, it doesn't even have to include Revan, just a movie about a conflict between force users who's last names are NOT Skywalker
Oh yeah, the Heir to the empire series would have been the best by Timothy Zahn. Fast reading, snappy plot twists that really did well for the extended universe
The Skywalker saga already ended in episode 8, when Luke Skywalker died (the last person to have/use the Skywalker name).
Until episode 9 comes out and we know the plot you can't really say that. i'm sure Luke learned how to become a force ghost, or maybe even something beyond that. Could be what Rise of the Skywalker is referring to.
@Cataclysmic Dildoser Star Wars: The Last Batwoman
One focused on bringing us all the loved characters and respecting them. The other actively tried to destroy and replace them.
That's the difference.
This optimistic dude: Right now it’s up to JJ Abrams to salvage this iteration of Star Wars.
Narrator: he didn’t
They should have not let Ryan Johnson go off the rails when he was making The Last Jedi!
Why this man did not have an oversite team to keep the storyline cohesive is beyond understanding. Having such a team could have prevented so much tragedy. Does anyone know why Kathleen Kennedy gave him a blank check? I'd really like to understand.
They should have given him the Ewok movie. Lol
@外国人说中文 true, true.
TFA was bad as well though
*Ruin Johnson
Here is a case-study I hope they'll teach at business schools for years to come: _how to use self-serving identity-politics to alienate a brand's core audience, and deep-six a once massively popular entertainment franchise._
Lucas: You were the Chosen One!
Kennedy: I HATE YOU!
I was actually gonna go watch this with 4 of my nephews but fuck that I ain't giving 100 dollars to a franchise who doesnt give a fuck what the fans say, I'm more excited for the mandalorian
@@publiusmaximus4041 consolation but JJ did all he could to undo the crap done by that idiot in TLJ
This video is cool, like a behind-the-scenes for a disaster... like that Chernobyl series
They should dust off Lucas' treatments and redo the trilogy. Call it Lucas' star wars. Why not?
My thoughts exactly. It will make the fans happy and make more money too. Win win.
@@nateblack972 , they can even do it as a cartoon, if they don't want to spend the money.
If only Carrie and the other old timers hadn't been wasted.
@@callumkemp-young1152 , yeah, there was no reason to make them minor characters. Cobra Kai does it so much better. Who would have thought The Karate Kid would get more respect than Star Wars.
This is actually the only way I’d truly get back into Star Wars. Following Lucas’s script exactly and hiring actual competent and up and coming writers for other projects not based on the colour of their skin or their genitals.
i just hope The Mandalorian isn't terrible. Episode 9 is sure to be.
Don't get your hopes up... It's still Disney!
Fool me once(ep.7)shame on you. Fool me twice(ep.8)shame on me. I haven't been fooled since cuz I bailed.
I think the conceit of never seeing the guy's face is going to wear thin pretty quickly. This isn't an interactive video game where people get to be the hero vicariously ( for ex: as Master Chief ). It might be fine for a few sequences, but for an entire season and possibly more?!
It’s Disney Star Wars... on Disney+ nonetheless. If you expect anything remotely dark or gritty you’re in for disappointment.
I heard it will be renamed Mandawokeian.
Why would a secretary who can't type get promoted?
Hmmmm.
*I know this question was answered in the video, but I care about that as much as 'that secretary' cares about Star Wars.*
Well, they gave *a* explanation in the video, whether that's the real reason is open to debate X_D
Because of her production ideas. Don't question what were those ideas. Just move on nothing to see here. That reason for promotion is canon.
fez
>video goes to the trouble of answering the question
>"ok guys here's the 9 hour video essay from mauler about the kathleen kennedy fan theory"
Eric Garcia hahahahahahaha
I'm still waiting for KK to be fired.
And for Kevin Feige to take her place (tho I'm not sure there's much he could really do at this point).
Besides appointing Kennedy, the biggest mistake by far has been to trash the Extended Universe. It would have given them an extraordinary collection of stories to chose from, already known and loved by the fans. If their reason to reinvent the wheel really was to avoid paying royalties for existing characters to Lucas, that dumb mistake may turn out to cost them even more! I've hardly ever seen such bad management and insight in a company.
Wow I feel like the only person around who liked the latest trilogy. And I really do like star wars. Born in 77. Sure some things could have been done differently but it's not suicidal misery like I'm hearing everyone talk like.
I hope everything after Return of the Jedi is ignored
Loveブラ Except Mandalorian (maybe)
@@rawfurrahman8324 Yes, but that took place before A New Hope, so it's safe.
What could Disney have done??
Ohhh, let me think here … perhaps, maybe … hire GOOD writers!! Characters we actually care about would help too! No Mary Sues either - develop the characters so that their actions aren't contrived BS.
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I’m saying this as a (once upon a time ago) hard core Disney fan first and foremost. In the first few years of his running Disney, I actually backed Bob Iger. I always felt Disney buying PIXAR made sense, and in that same time period, we had things like the promise of Disney Animation returning to hand drawn films, new Disney nature films, a continuation of the classic Disney IP on home media and so on. It actually felt like the Disney brand might be respected under Iger.
Then he bought Marvel, and from that point forward, it’s just gotten worse. I fully agree with the assessment of the executives under Eisner, that Marvel was too edgy for Disney. The brands don’t mix, and still don’t. It’s been under Disney that Marvel Comics has gone full blown SJW. I don’t feel Disney had any business buying LucasFilm or Fox especially. Maybe Iger has made a ton of money for the stockholders (he’s also created a lot of debt), but it’s been at the cost of the Disney brand and what made it special. Disney used to mean creativity and top tier guest experiences. I don’t feel it does anymore. It now means retreads and subpar service at insane prices.
The sad things is it all would of been eventually been forgiven if Disney and Lucas film didn’t attack the fans like they did to hide their failures.
They still need to apologize for that, smh
Okay, I have a huge problem with this video. Many times people try to blame a few people for some systematic issues. They blamed Snyder for the original DCEU issues (even though great directors and actors CAN screw up) and they blame Ryan Johnson for the Last Jedi. And now, Iger and Kennedy are being hated on.
But that's not really fair. Both are competent and did an amazing job.
If Star Wars had to be restarted, she was perfect for the role, since she actually did pretty well.
The problem with Star Wars is simpler than anything you talked about. Star Wars... was a finished story. It had a happily ever after, one that lasted for over 30 years.
And because of that, creating a sequel was in itself, something flawed.
But we also have to look at reality. How much of Star Wars hate we have in us is because the movies and decisions are bad, and how much is because our happily ever after that we had for 30 years was destroyed???
I mean, people have been looking for any excuse to hate on Kennedy. I mean, that "Force is female" thing, which wasn't even a Star Wars thing was making people pissed about how she was "changing canon" when all she was doing was having fun and encouraging girls. And she wore it because hey "force" is often a word attributed to Star Wars.. but it actually had nothing to do with Star Wars. She just decided to support it cause she thought it was cool.
But hey, they tried to see it as her changing the Star Wars lore... because random t-shirt slogans somehow effect canon...
Modern Feminism is built on the backs of much more talented men
Disney just needs to stop hiring talent-less directors and writers.
...and "producers".
Looking at Iger's 3 main planks for Disney's mission statement, the first one stands out, "Making branded content." Franchises. When you plan to pad out a story into an extended universe, the longevity of the thing runs a high risk of overtaking the storytelling as priority. By it's very nature it has to. Unless you have people creating a story that can foresee things well ahead of time - or are just that creative and are given the room to improvise and distill the story down until it really works (arguably Pixar's formula of success), a franchise is just going to end up a rushed, bloated opaque mess.
Couple this with Iger's second plank of "Technology changing the workforce," i.e., assigning too many hats to too few employees who actually create the film, since everything's digital now. This also makes for too many moving parts for mid-tier or higher management to oversee: Studios thinking that films need an increasing amount of CGi, which inflates the production pipeline by number of EFX shots required, number of EFX houses outsourced to, etc. Ultimately the magic tool of technology convinces management that fewer domestic heads need less time to make the thing, and schedules become increasingly constricted, communication between workers and management literally more distant with outsourcing. In the end, it's a top heavy bureaucratic nightmare of a production, with the story elements increasingly controlled by committee at the executive level.
And, the all too human misconception, that what worked before will always work in perpetuity. For Iger, making branded content worked for a decade or more with Pixar and Marvel. He banked on it working again with Star Wars, overlooking as the video points out that Lucasfilm was a studio without any substantive projects when it was bought.
Or rather, Iger's third plank, "Becoming t̶h̶e̶ D̶u̶t̶c̶h̶ ̶E̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶I̶n̶d̶i̶a̶ ̶T̶r̶a̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶C̶o̶m̶p̶a̶n̶y̶ a global company" was his torch of progress that probably compelled him (along with his commitment to investors) to move forward on it.
Why does Kathleen Kennedy remind me so much of Brie Larson
@@RealGateGuardian
Brie Larson isn't all that. Her face is okay, but she's otherwise, just... flat. Her uber-feminist schtick really doesn't help either.
Maybe cuz they're both insufferable?
@@Seastallion between the two, i guarantee you can spill a load much easier to Brie than Kathleen
Don't insult Brie Larson like that. Kennedy isn't good at her job and has no courage whatsoever
Ew. I mean you’re so right but ew. I can’t ever get this out of my brain. I hate this feminazi agenda Disney is continuing to support. It seems power hungry and honestly is just annoying. I want some strong women who are not shady as hell. That’s why I love like scarlet Johansson and j law. Brie makes me gag.