Suzuki’s small cars are perfectly engineered and extremely handy in crowded cities. The Kei car concept make perfect sense because of the ever increasing car population and parking woes.
Suzuki are smart. Nobody in their right mind wants a toy EV SUV. People want real cars. I hope other manufacturers take note. I would vote this to be COTY rather than politically mandated 4 wheeled junk.
Before you buy this car you should seriously consider if you will be happy driving around with the 'safely' alarms relentlessly sounding off every few minutes because: 1.) The Traffic Sign Recognition (TSR) system has misread the speed limit sign and thinks you are speeding in a 20mph zone when you are in fact in a 30mph zone, or it still thinks you are in a 50mph section of roadworks even though it ended 3 miles back etc... 2.) The driver monitoring camera thinks you are drowsy when you are in fact wide awake. 3.) The same camera thinks you are not keeping your eyes on the road when you just looking in the rear view or side mirrors like you are supposed to. 4.) It thinks you are going to crash into car parked at the side of the road when you are metres away as you pass by. 5.) It thinks you are going to crash into cars in the outside lane on the motorway when you pull out from the slow lane to the middle lane to overtake a slow lorry for example. There are many more everyday normal driving circumstances that will cause the alarms to falsely trigger. All this sounds annoying and it really is, but what's worse is that it is dangerous because it is so distracting. On a regular 45 minute drive to work the various alarms incorrectly activate multiple times, often in excess of twenty. They can be deactivated, but its a protracted procedure the involves scrolling through multiple menu levels and has to be redone every journey as the settings cannot be saved. If I knew at the time just how bad this is I would have never bought the car, but at the time there was very little info out there, so I'm just letting you know because I'm pretty sure the dealers won't.
The speed recognition system is defective. Suzuki refuse to acknowledge this and hide behind legislation to avoid dealing with this dangerous feature as it would cost them too much to fix it. It cannot recognise all signs and Suzuki acknowledged that it will not work in all road situations yet refuse to offer a fix. The Dealers are equally complicit, keeping silent about this feature during the entire sales process. These features make the car, the MOST irritating thing to drive and I really would not recommend this car to anyone.
I had one of these as a courtesy car and your reasons perfectly summarise why I wouldn't buy the newer model. The previous Swift is a better example of 'if it ain't broke'. With that said, I do disable the collision detection as it's always been too sensitive in my experience (brakes have engaged when pulling out from a junction, or overtaking a stopped bus). It is worrying though how little reviewers comment on these issues.
I am perfectly happy with my previous gen swift 1.0 turbo with a 6 speed auto. ( no horrible cvt). I would never change it for this latest model which looks dorky at best. After replacing the stiff OEM hitachi shocks with kyb units , the car rides better than when new. Old is definitely gold in some instances.😊
I still have a 2013 Swift which is very fun to drive in the city. Easy to navigate the streets of Manila. This new Swift however has gotten expensive…I will likely NOT a Swift at this price.
Well I'll be honest will I consider buying a new Suzuki Swift if I had the money in hand, Absolutely, I use to own the previous previous version, 2014 model 1.2L engine and I loved it, it drives and handles really really well with confidence, it has a nice and tight turning circle, it's fuel efficient too though the newer one probably have a better fuel efficient than its counterpart. It still looks great and I still ❤ the new one. People might be looking to buy bigger cars, but sometimes having a small little car like the Swift is all you need really.
Yes, I think I agree. The sat nav and safety gubbins does seem mismatched to this product, considering what it is. The reduction in price could considerably help. Although for me that AWD is tempting for extra safety when driving in the wet. Does anyone know about Suzuki's reliability rating?
Love your enthusiasm. I'm looking forward to getting mine (flame red!) this Friday... Whoohooo 🎉 - just gutted I couldn't get an orange one. Right car at the right time? Yep...plenty fast enough for me 😊
Profit margins on small cars are dwindling?? Don't make me laugh! Here in the UK, the cheapest new model Swift will set you back £18,699. In India, the same basic car starts off at a mere 6.5 lahks, the equivalent of £6,130!!! We're being asked to pay THREE TIMES what the car costs somewhere else. Far from 'dwindling', the margins on the Swifts sold here are simply exorbitant.
@@brendonho17 I lived in Singapore in the late '80s. Even back then, cars were ferociously expensive because of the cost of the special permit you need. I seem to recall my Honda Accord cost me £30k! That said, I sold it in 1990 for more than I paid for it. Happy days...
@@MrYc97 Probably not because European Swifts are assembled at Suzuki's plant in Hungary, which is inside the EU. That said, my Celerio was imported into the UK from Suzuki's Rayang plant in Thailand. I can readily accept that European Swifts are specced to a higher level (particularly regarding safety) than Indian Swifts but £12,000 worth of better??? That's simply not possible!
These cars look great. Try and insure one! For a 1.2 mild hybrid they are a ridiculous group 27 to 28. My cupra leon 2.0 with 245 hp is only 28. Don't think many people will buy these when they check this out.
I agree that the main issue here is price - it’s competing with Sandero, Fabia, Clio, C3 etc. but it’s smaller. Given this is made India too you’d expect it to have a lower price point. Superminis generally are falling out of favour because they cost £20k+ with the odd exception. Suzuki used to sit at the value but quality end of the market but I’m not sure they have any particular USP anymore.
If you are qualified for a blue light affiliation NHS forces etc it starts at £15k which makes the money side of the equation lean towards Suzuki throw in a 7 year warranty generally good dealer it poses a question given how poor cheap citroen cars with shorter warranties and poor poor dealers.
Just bought one of these in best spec! Agree with everything! And the gadgets justify the pricetag. Suzuki could though offer a basic model without lots of comfort and luxury features for an even much lower entry price i agree...
Test drove one it was fine nice quiet econocal nice looking in some colours blue is nice but would be happy with the base colour too couldnt make cruise gi fastervthan 70 but traffic was not light. Bearing in mind we had a 1 year old SZL model which we had taken to Cornwall did the 380 miles with range to spare and comfortable journey i gave serious consideration to getting one as it would be a tier 1 discount £16k ish what did we do as the only missing kit we aspired to was a heated steering wheel well we got an old shape Sport on the badis of enjoy it while you can.
Too expensive for me, but like the car. I'm not ready for a full EV so this is a good compromise. Will see how the SH values go over the next couple of years.
Why is nobody mentioning the missing bezel around the speedometer. Who in their design team thought that that was a good look. It just seems wrong. Are they trying to save weight. I think that would drive me crazy if I had to look at that every time I sat in the car, it just looks like it’s not finished, and it really would be a deal-breaker for me. And talking of deal-breakers, those awful wheels on the Suzuki Swift Motion. I’ve already seen a TH-cam video from a dealership who are offering to replace them, for a price. So even the dealers know it’s not a good look.
Couldn't agree more. Instead, to save the planet we all have to drive 5.5m long 2.5t 22inch wheeled 100kwh overbearing nanny beeping +£50k crappy riding badly handling garbage cans. Naaa, I'll keep my (still too big) Fiesta
Yep, but most are just thinks bigger is better and thus overcompensating the wants instead of the need. Most buy SUVs will never go off road nor even filled that capacity with passengers and cargo most of the time. We just ended up more heavier vehicles in the road that requires more energy and more wear and tear on the road, all while making parking harder due to bigger vehicles trying to fit in existing tight parking. SUVs are not bad at all, but it is highly overrated type of vehicle that somehow became the new default car. Actually due to this, many lower trim SUVs end up just having FWD which is defeats the point of the SUV type vehicle. They just became oversized bloated hatch but not much signaficantly larger in capacity. Also its an irony we care now about carbon footprint, but making SUVs requires more resources to build. So we ended up heavier EV SUV which will have even heavier battery to compensate with that size while having decent range.
The best small by a huge distance is the mazda 2. Nothing comes even close. Drive one then drive anything else. You will buy the mazda 100% of the time
Just bought one. Having had a top end Citroen c3 and having nowt but troubles with it the deal-breaker was the 7 year warranty, breakdown cover and spec with the Swift. French cars look lovely and drive beautifully - still got one - but Jesus are they badly engineered.
My daughter had the swift and it was a great car, yes I'd drive one but I'm looking at the smaller EV cars coming onto the market!! As I've had an EV since 2017 but they expensive and when we have to pay rd tax what will it cost us, anything over £40,000 is regarded as a luxury car, and that's rubbish.
Kind of agree with you about the list price there is some decent comperition at this price though the 7 yesr warrantly and Suzuki will do you a discount either through some affiliste discounts or finance/ discounting. The standard alloys on the motion are a bit galvanised bin lid looking not ad nice as the outgoing model and putting on heated seats without the heated wheel is a spec error. Agree they could easily do a more basic car for little effort and likely will in some markets. We lijr the old model for its looks rear door handles and the dash vents bit sporty IMO. We will givevthis a look in summer to see if upgrading majes any sense.
I have the previous model SZ5 Mild Hybrid with 1.0L 3 cyl Boosterjet Engine which has 109bhp. Got to say very underwhelmed by the new model, it just looks like a facelift of my car. Slightly different at the front, and the tail lamps slightly different as well. Interior is almost identical apart from the larger infotainment screen. Overall the car is not that much different. The main disappointment is the engine only delivering a measly 81bhp, don't get me wrong I love my Swift, but to release a new model almost identical with a lesser powered engine that is so much slower is a backwards step by Suzuki. BTW having now had a test drive in the new model last week can confirm it is like a snail on valium compared to The 1.0 SZ5 Boosterjet Engine, I was actually shocked at how much slower it was. Again I absolutely love my current Swift as it has everything, but current owners will be massively put off by a ridiculous loss in performance of a so called new model, and many like myself will not purchase this 'clone' of the previous model with a woefully underpowered engine.
Red is definitely the best colour for this car and has impressive economy! BUT it is dated in pretty much every other way and not cheap and cheerful enough in key areas 😢
Same is true of the Vauxhall Corsa, big discounts and it’s a larger car albeit in lower spec/trims. I guess the swift does suit those wanting a true compact city car/ supermini which is easy to fit into tight spaces
Man, the new one is ugly and awkward looking! It's like 2 people designed it simultaneously and they took both designs and fused them together. I think this shape will kill off the sales momentum it had gained.
This new shape sucks. It's an awkward step backwards from the pugnacious masterfully sculpted previous sport. The bonnet looks like a toilet seat cover. Good God Suzuki, what were you thinking ? No Suzuki, No. The 2022 shape is a classic. They absolutely nailed it. And no I don't care about the rear door handles. I like them.
Sad news on Suzuki's future demise, after announcing they are going full EV and no longer going to build ICE powered cars. It was nice knowing them. RIP
Suzuki’s small cars are perfectly engineered and extremely handy in crowded cities. The Kei car concept make perfect sense because of the ever increasing car population and parking woes.
Suzuki are smart. Nobody in their right mind wants a toy EV SUV. People want real cars. I hope other manufacturers take note. I would vote this to be COTY rather than politically mandated 4 wheeled junk.
Before you buy this car you should seriously consider if you will be happy driving around with the 'safely' alarms relentlessly sounding off every few minutes because:
1.) The Traffic Sign Recognition (TSR) system has misread the speed limit sign and thinks you are speeding in a 20mph zone when you are in fact in a 30mph zone, or it still thinks you are in a 50mph section of roadworks even though it ended 3 miles back etc...
2.) The driver monitoring camera thinks you are drowsy when you are in fact wide awake.
3.) The same camera thinks you are not keeping your eyes on the road when you just looking in the rear view or side mirrors like you are supposed to.
4.) It thinks you are going to crash into car parked at the side of the road when you are metres away as you pass by.
5.) It thinks you are going to crash into cars in the outside lane on the motorway when you pull out from the slow lane to the middle lane to overtake a slow lorry for example.
There are many more everyday normal driving circumstances that will cause the alarms to falsely trigger.
All this sounds annoying and it really is, but what's worse is that it is dangerous because it is so distracting. On a regular 45 minute drive to work the various alarms incorrectly activate multiple times, often in excess of twenty. They can be deactivated, but its a protracted procedure the involves scrolling through multiple menu levels and has to be redone every journey as the settings cannot be saved.
If I knew at the time just how bad this is I would have never bought the car, but at the time there was very little info out there, so I'm just letting you know because I'm pretty sure the dealers won't.
The speed recognition system is defective. Suzuki refuse to acknowledge this and hide behind legislation to avoid dealing with this dangerous feature as it would cost them too much to fix it. It cannot recognise all signs and Suzuki acknowledged that it will not work in all road situations yet refuse to offer a fix. The Dealers are equally complicit, keeping silent about this feature during the entire sales process. These features make the car, the MOST irritating thing to drive and I really would not recommend this car to anyone.
I had one of these as a courtesy car and your reasons perfectly summarise why I wouldn't buy the newer model. The previous Swift is a better example of 'if it ain't broke'. With that said, I do disable the collision detection as it's always been too sensitive in my experience (brakes have engaged when pulling out from a junction, or overtaking a stopped bus). It is worrying though how little reviewers comment on these issues.
I have bought one and will get it somewhere in July.
I love Suzuki Swift 🇿🇦
Kudos to Suzuki for continuing to make ICE superminis. Take note Ford et al.
If the Swift came to America, then it would definitely best be sold as a Toyota Swift
I am perfectly happy with my previous gen swift 1.0 turbo with a 6 speed auto. ( no horrible cvt). I would never change it for this latest model which looks dorky at best.
After replacing the stiff OEM hitachi shocks with kyb units , the car rides better than when new. Old is definitely gold in some instances.😊
I love the 1.0 Eco boost engine, why change it? Good they are concentrating on small engines though.
Hi. Who produces cvt gearboxes for suzuki? what model of this box in the new 2024? Is there a nameplate on the box? Can you read from it?
I still have a 2013 Swift which is very fun to drive in the city. Easy to navigate the streets of Manila. This new Swift however has gotten expensive…I will likely NOT a Swift at this price.
Well I'll be honest will I consider buying a new Suzuki Swift if I had the money in hand, Absolutely, I use to own the previous previous version, 2014 model 1.2L engine and I loved it, it drives and handles really really well with confidence, it has a nice and tight turning circle, it's fuel efficient too though the newer one probably have a better fuel efficient than its counterpart. It still looks great and I still ❤ the new one. People might be looking to buy bigger cars, but sometimes having a small little car like the Swift is all you need really.
Let's hope they do a swift sport... If it's as light as the others and has about 130bhp it should be great!
They do do a swift sport
@@joan9947 not of the new version yet... (In UK)
@@joan9947 where do you have the infos from?
not possible to sell in europe bc of politics
Yes, I think I agree. The sat nav and safety gubbins does seem mismatched to this product, considering what it is. The reduction in price could considerably help. Although for me that AWD is tempting for extra safety when driving in the wet.
Does anyone know about Suzuki's reliability rating?
In the process of considering a new shift. I had an old 11 plate when I was younger. Looking forward ro a test drive.
Love your enthusiasm. I'm looking forward to getting mine (flame red!) this Friday... Whoohooo 🎉 - just gutted I couldn't get an orange one. Right car at the right time? Yep...plenty fast enough for me 😊
Profit margins on small cars are dwindling?? Don't make me laugh! Here in the UK, the cheapest new model Swift will set you back £18,699. In India, the same basic car starts off at a mere 6.5 lahks, the equivalent of £6,130!!! We're being asked to pay THREE TIMES what the car costs somewhere else. Far from 'dwindling', the margins on the Swifts sold here are simply exorbitant.
In Singapore it’s ~SGD$140K, which is about £80K 😢
@@brendonho17 I lived in Singapore in the late '80s. Even back then, cars were ferociously expensive because of the cost of the special permit you need. I seem to recall my Honda Accord cost me £30k! That said, I sold it in 1990 for more than I paid for it. Happy days...
The Indian version has zero crash safety features, it’s not the same car.
Can we import India's Suzuki swift to UK?
@@MrYc97 Probably not because European Swifts are assembled at Suzuki's plant in Hungary, which is inside the EU. That said, my Celerio was imported into the UK from Suzuki's Rayang plant in Thailand. I can readily accept that European Swifts are specced to a higher level (particularly regarding safety) than Indian Swifts but £12,000 worth of better??? That's simply not possible!
Have ordered an Ultra version for the wife in flame orange , delivery in July :) .... cant wait
I’ve ordered an Ultra in red with the black roof!
Haha same! Flame orange for august/September delivery.
I've ordered an ultra in blue with the black roof, hoping to pick it up next weekend!
Thanks god it’s not a SUV . A real car for people who doesn’t want and need to drive a useless tank !
These cars look great. Try and insure one! For a 1.2 mild hybrid they are a ridiculous group 27 to 28. My cupra leon 2.0 with 245 hp is only 28. Don't think many people will buy these when they check this out.
Thanks for the heads up 👍
That's ridiculous for a "not very" swift 1.2.
yep totally agree , I've had insurance quotes and silly money compared to the cars I already own and only half the value ? ...
It's not the same in every country.
I agree that the main issue here is price - it’s competing with Sandero, Fabia, Clio, C3 etc. but it’s smaller. Given this is made India too you’d expect it to have a lower price point. Superminis generally are falling out of favour because they cost £20k+ with the odd exception. Suzuki used to sit at the value but quality end of the market but I’m not sure they have any particular USP anymore.
If you are qualified for a blue light affiliation NHS forces etc it starts at £15k which makes the money side of the equation lean towards Suzuki throw in a 7 year warranty generally good dealer it poses a question given how poor cheap citroen cars with shorter warranties and poor poor dealers.
The Indian models are not the same car as the European or Japanese ones.
top info review a really fun small car to drive i love the non turbo chain drive 1.2 engine.
Just bought one of these in best spec!
Agree with everything! And the gadgets justify the pricetag. Suzuki could though offer a basic model without lots of comfort and luxury features for an even much lower entry price i agree...
Test drove one it was fine nice quiet econocal nice looking in some colours blue is nice but would be happy with the base colour too couldnt make cruise gi fastervthan 70 but traffic was not light.
Bearing in mind we had a 1 year old SZL model which we had taken to Cornwall did the 380 miles with range to spare and comfortable journey i gave serious consideration to getting one as it would be a tier 1 discount £16k ish what did we do as the only missing kit we aspired to was a heated steering wheel well we got an old shape Sport on the badis of enjoy it while you can.
hi, does the base model 'Motion' have a digital speed indicator please?
Too expensive for me, but like the car. I'm not ready for a full EV so this is a good compromise.
Will see how the SH values go over the next couple of years.
Why is nobody mentioning the missing bezel around the speedometer. Who in their design team thought that that was a good look. It just seems wrong. Are they trying to save weight. I think that would drive me crazy if I had to look at that every time I sat in the car, it just looks like it’s not finished, and it really would be a deal-breaker for me. And talking of deal-breakers, those awful wheels on the Suzuki Swift Motion. I’ve already seen a TH-cam video from a dealership who are offering to replace them, for a price. So even the dealers know it’s not a good look.
A very complete little car. It’s a pity Suzuki messed up the looks.
It's the perfect little car. Only issue is it's getting pricey.
All the car the majority will ever need.
Couldn't agree more. Instead, to save the planet we all have to drive 5.5m long 2.5t 22inch wheeled 100kwh overbearing nanny beeping +£50k crappy riding badly handling garbage cans.
Naaa, I'll keep my (still too big) Fiesta
@@pigeonpoo1823 Fiesta was the best selling small car for years in the.UK. Great car.
@@pigeonpoo1823Just a bit of an exaggeration
I want more car than that
Yep, but most are just thinks bigger is better and thus overcompensating the wants instead of the need. Most buy SUVs will never go off road nor even filled that capacity with passengers and cargo most of the time. We just ended up more heavier vehicles in the road that requires more energy and more wear and tear on the road, all while making parking harder due to bigger vehicles trying to fit in existing tight parking.
SUVs are not bad at all, but it is highly overrated type of vehicle that somehow became the new default car. Actually due to this, many lower trim SUVs end up just having FWD which is defeats the point of the SUV type vehicle. They just became oversized bloated hatch but not much signaficantly larger in capacity.
Also its an irony we care now about carbon footprint, but making SUVs requires more resources to build. So we ended up heavier EV SUV which will have even heavier battery to compensate with that size while having decent range.
What about safety?
headunit is so slow are we just gonna ignore that?
The best small by a huge distance is the mazda 2. Nothing comes even close. Drive one then drive anything else. You will buy the mazda 100% of the time
Mexico 😢
@@ytubeu7450 i had the mazda 2 then upgraded to the swift
Mazda 2 is also much more expensive.
Just bought one.
Having had a top end Citroen c3 and having nowt but troubles with it the deal-breaker was the 7 year warranty, breakdown cover and spec with the Swift.
French cars look lovely and drive beautifully - still got one - but Jesus are they badly engineered.
Price?
Suzuki makes the best affordable cars ✌
My daughter had the swift and it was a great car, yes I'd drive one but I'm looking at the smaller EV cars coming onto the market!! As I've had an EV since 2017 but they expensive and when we have to pay rd tax what will it cost us, anything over £40,000 is regarded as a luxury car, and that's rubbish.
I like it. Please start making cars again. SUVs are f*cking awful.
Suzuki left Canada and the US. Please come back.
Pity they've dropped the excellent 4 cylinder engine 🙄
Is there no automatic version?
CVT
Which is better compared to the Toyota Yaris?
Yaris has become bigger and more expensive.
Cute Mini JDM
Suzuki-the best buy.
Kind of agree with you about the list price there is some decent comperition at this price though the 7 yesr warrantly and Suzuki will do you a discount either through some affiliste discounts or finance/ discounting.
The standard alloys on the motion are a bit galvanised bin lid looking not ad nice as the outgoing model and putting on heated seats without the heated wheel is a spec error.
Agree they could easily do a more basic car for little effort and likely will in some markets.
We lijr the old model for its looks rear door handles and the dash vents bit sporty IMO.
We will givevthis a look in summer to see if upgrading majes any sense.
I have the previous model SZ5 Mild Hybrid with 1.0L 3 cyl Boosterjet Engine which has 109bhp. Got to say very underwhelmed by the new model, it just looks like a facelift of my car. Slightly different at the front, and the tail lamps slightly different as well. Interior is almost identical apart from the larger infotainment screen. Overall the car is not that much different. The main disappointment is the engine only delivering a measly 81bhp, don't get me wrong I love my Swift, but to release a new model almost identical with a lesser powered engine that is so much slower is a backwards step by Suzuki.
BTW having now had a test drive in the new model last week can confirm it is like a snail on valium compared to The 1.0 SZ5 Boosterjet Engine, I was actually shocked at how much slower it was. Again I absolutely love my current Swift as it has everything, but current owners will be massively put off by a ridiculous loss in performance of a so called new model, and many like myself will not purchase this 'clone' of the previous model with a woefully underpowered engine.
Suzuki has prioritized improving fuel efficiency in order to comply with recent environmental regulations.
I am looking for a second-hand 1.0 cvt. The CVT is even more swift than the manual. Those engines are very well tuned. Love them.
I can buy a Citroen eC3 fully electric for less money.
And in 3 years you ev will be worthless or it may have burst into flames before then or broken down the suzuki will do none.of the above great car
Or a "great" C3 ICE with its rubber belt that broke the entire engine in less than 60000 miles. ;-)
youtube seems to delete true owners review. the car is low quality on lots of things
Red is definitely the best colour for this car and has impressive economy!
BUT it is dated in pretty much every other way and not cheap and cheerful enough in key areas 😢
Yes and No. There's some amazing discounts available.
Same is true of the Vauxhall Corsa, big discounts and it’s a larger car albeit in lower spec/trims.
I guess the swift does suit those wanting a true compact city car/ supermini which is easy to fit into tight spaces
81bhp??
Man, the new one is ugly and awkward looking! It's like 2 people designed it simultaneously and they took both designs and fused them together. I think this shape will kill off the sales momentum it had gained.
This new shape sucks. It's an awkward step backwards from the pugnacious masterfully sculpted previous sport. The bonnet looks like a toilet seat cover. Good God Suzuki, what were you thinking ? No Suzuki, No.
The 2022 shape is a classic. They absolutely nailed it.
And no I don't care about the rear door handles. I like them.
Voila, the rear door handles are finally on the doors. Children and aged people used to struggle earlier.
Man, what do you want from Suzuki? a free car? Jesus wept
Sad news on Suzuki's future demise, after announcing they are going full EV and no longer going to build ICE powered cars. It was nice knowing them. RIP
They have made their first EV only vehicle but apart from that?
It's a fail. Not cheap and not good looking. This has no place in Europe beside Clio n new mg3.
Clio and especially MG's build quality and reliability is questionable to say the least.
The swift will be driving around year's after the clio and mg are scraped
This whole video is you driving buddy 😅
0 to 60mph in 12.5 secs. 😬
too bouncy too short too expensive
Absolutely ugly exterior. Looks like they have sandwiched two cars together.
skip the history lesson mate.....next time get straight to the car in review !!!
First 🎉
Seriously behind times
F56 Mini is better in every way