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Exploring Dell's Early 2000's Inspiron with a Mobile Pentium 4 - Inspiron 8200 - SnowFoxComputing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2022
- Is this 20 year old Inspiron still alive and kicking? Join me for a look into one of Dell's entrants in the mobile Pentium 4 laptop market.
3DMark2000: 4237 Marks
3DMark2001: 2664 Marks
PCMark2002: Crash
Quake III Arena
640x480 - GL Extensions On
Lightmap, Geometric Detail High
Texture Detail Mid, Quality Default, Bilinear
FPS - Min 17, Max 92, Avg 86.18
Counter-Strike 1.6
1024x768 - Direct3D
16-Bit Color
FPS - Min 29, Max 73, Avg 67.85
Hydro Thunder
800x600 - Direct3D
Water: Complex
Lens Flare, Spray & Smoke: On
FPS - Min 30, Max 32, Avg 31.70
Serious Sam - The First Encounter
640x480 - OpenGL
Texture Quality: Optimal
Lens Flares: Standard
FPS - Min 51, Max 116, Avg 76.95
FlatOut
800x600 - Did not ID GPU correctly
No AA
FPS - Min 15, Max 32, Avg 21.51
Call of Duty
640x480 - 16-bit
Character, General Textures: Normal
Texture Filter: Bilinear
Distance Fog: Yes
FPS - Min 26, Max 76, Avg 47.70
Unreal Tournament 2004 ECE
800x600, 16-bit, Direct3D
Texture, Character, World Details Lower
Physics, Mesh LOD, Decal Stay Normal
Shadows Full, No Detail Tex, Trilinear, or Foliage
FPS - Min 20, Max 49, Avg 33.25
EDIT: Typo in video for average! Definitely NOT 133 FPS average. Oops.
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Very Beauty Model, amazing! Old hardware is the best!
Fantastic machine!!!
Congrats from Brazil!!! 🇧🇷😎🤙
Wow! That quality of videos and only 48 subscribers!! I’m leaving a subscription too, hoping to sea more good content like this in the future. :)
Btw also thanks a lot that you translated to kg and mm. I’m coming from Germany and do not understand these pound, foot, Fahrenheit and whatever stuff.
Thank you for the support! I don't always have time for the hobbies but certainly have more ideas for the future.
Had one of these when they were new. Had to be returned because it would Blue screen on boot (likely a symptom of the issue with capacitors at the time) and the male end of the power supply was HORRIBLE when it came to tearing and requiring being held a special way before finally giving up. Seemed to go through those once a year for 5 years.
Wasn't as lucky with the battery as you were - at its best, it could easily play a feature-length movie, but after those 5 years, it had just enough capacity for a few minutes of light tasks. And, like with the power supply, being proprietary hardware meant it was not gonna be easy to replace.
Hey, you’re back! I found your channel a few months back and your videos are really good, keep making them! I don’t have time to watch now but I will later for sure. Just a note - most Dell laptops from this time use NiMH CMOS batteries that leak and ruin the motherboards. I believe the 8200 does, so you should get it out ASAP if you haven’t already.
Hello! Thanks for sticking around. Your support is very much appreciated! This laptop does indeed have a NiMH CMOS battery and you are right in that it will leak, eventually. It is certainly good practice to get rid of these things, so good suggestion. Thankfully from what I have seen these packs Dell used don't always go full nuclear like a NiCad does but still! I am hoping to make some more videos soon, but life has been doing that life thing as always.
@@snowfoxcomputing Life sure does have its way doesn’t it…
These CMOS batteries can and will go “full nuclear”, just like the Nicads will, my Latitude CS can attest to that. They ended up in a ton of mid 90s-early 2000s laptops and they’re beginning to become a real pain.
Inspiron 8200 does have a Ni-MH CMOS battery, though fortunately they are encased inbetween the palmrest plastic and aluminium plate, and above the C/bay, far away from the motherboard. They can leak and blow up still, but if yours is still strong enough to keep the CMOS settings for at least 2 weeks, then it's still good for now.
Since they get charged directly by your main 20V power rail, you CANNOT replace it with Li-ion or non-rechargables! I end up rebuilding mine by soldering 6 new Ni-MH button cells together and they work great! Even bridge battery function works, and if I put the laptop to sleep, then unplug the battery, I have 2 minutes to plug another battery back in
@@kztech1319 those NiMH batteries really do suck. I’ve run into 4 of them so far and every one was leaking to some degree:
Latitude CPi (1998) - Just starting to leak. Corrosion on the connector.
Latitude CS (1999) - Leaking Bad. Took out multiple keyboard keys and left a mess on the motherboard. Somehow the board still works but it definitely isn’t at 100%, it has some strange behavior relating to the IDE controller, which is right where the battery was. Luckily it does still boot, although I was only able to find a replacement keyboard in Spanish.
Latitude C610 (Late 2001/2002) - I removed it years ago but I checked the container I put it in and it was starting to leak.
Apple PowerBook 3400c (1997) - Corrosion on the connector.
Every single one of these laptops had the battery right over the motherboard. Come 10 years from now, every single one of the laptops that used these batteries will be damaged beyond repair.
@@3lectr1c I have leaky Ni-MH batteries too but all of the leaking ones I've seen are completely useless and dont hold even 1V of charge. I do have others that holds like full 8.5V of charge still, and those dont leak yet, and from what ive seen online the leaking process will be greatly accelerated if your battery is in overdischarged state for long, which may explain why if you leave that old battery in a box for 3 years it will be screwed. Still I'd say C610/C640 are guilty of putting the battery right above the centre of the motherboard and those needs attention at least once a year even if the cell is good. Thankfully C840 placed it right above its "blast shield" and far away from the motherboard.
I have a number of Latitude C810 and C840 units, Inspiron 8100 and 8200 being rebadges of those Latitudes, I should share some of my knowledge to you.
1. Next time when you remove the keyboard, try to remove the floppy drive and the palmrest connector first. That gives you much more room to grip the connector. If you pull by the cable the keyboard connector WILL break apart!
2. GeForce2 Go is indeed the lowest option available and it is the card that came with C810/I8100, which back then was NVidia's first ever mobile chip and had advantages over Mobility Radeon 7000. C840/I8200 is supposed to be the stage with the then brand new GeForce4 Go 440, and that card blew the hell out of Mobility Radeon 7500. Then I8200 had later option of the Mobility Radeon 9000. You see, Inspiron 8000, 8100, 8200 are some of the closest things to gaming laptops back then, just obviously not when it's the lowest config. PCMag praised the hell out of Latitude C840 for its GeForce4 Go graphics. For graphical glitch problems, there are late 2004 drivers that you can use and that should fix all that, but that driver doesn't work so well if you have UXGA panels!
3. 2GB of RAM indeed works fine, but you will need to grab contact cleaner and hose the RAM slot contacts down as they get very finicky on this model!
4. SXGA+ is indeed the base option for this laptop, but that's already a premium option as most other laptops like ThinkPad A30/A31 came with XGA screens. Highest option is Ultrasharp UXGA. I have one in my C840 and it looks awesome.
5. Inspiron 8200 has removable and interchangable palmrest plate inserts for "customisation". Latitude C840 does not have this and in fact ONLY differs from the chassis (lid, bezel, hinge cover, palmrest). You can force C840 BIOS on your I8200 and vice versa, by calling the BIOS update software with switch /jabil. You'll need C840 BIOS as well as removing the metal hook stopper inside the hinge cover to use C/port and C/dock solutions. You will lose the ability to use all the media buttons, including volume control, if you load C840 BIOS.
Lastly, if your hinges feel stiff, LUBRICATE them! If you don't, they can overstress things and crack your bottom plastic in half!
Lots of good info here. The keyboard connector does indeed seem like it would be easy to damage. Admittedly I did not read the service manual about how it connects to the motherboard at first, but definitely knew not to tug on that ribbon too hard. That plastic connector sure gets stuck in there. As for the C840 and its GeForce 4, I will have to dig through my stockpile and check that out, as I am pretty sure there is a damaged C840 in box somewhere. I read about there being the better LCDs and that sure would be a great find too. The palmrest plate swap ability is an interesting feature I debated on talking about while scripting this video but ultimately left it out since I would have preferred to show it on camera. Sadly I don't have any of those, yet! If memory serves, the LCD bezel could also be color-matched and could be changed, but at a higher level of difficulty of course. No worries on the hinges, at least for this 8200! It really seems like the college it came from only used it for a handful of months then shelved it. If there are any signs of trouble then lubing them will definitely be on the agenda. I have seen too many of these style laptops with the cracked plastics and that's no good!
@@snowfoxcomputing Well an interesting fact is that there is a thumb sized cutout on the plastic on the left side of the keyboard connector and you'll see that after removing the floppy drive, that's there exactly so your fingers can reach! And if you need to attach the latch for the C/bay, Parts-people website still sells those!
Well in my experience in Latitude C840 livery is worth more on eBay than Inspiron 8200, and I transplanted an Inspiron 8200 into C840 with C840 lid and bezel but Inspiron 8200 palmrest, and it works fine, although there is a gap in the front since I didn't change the palmrest! Besides I have a C/port so I have to get C840 BIOS to make it work with my dock anyway!
There are no colour matching LCD bezels - that's for Inspiron 3700/3800, but there are colour matching lids and the touchpad buttons can come in different colours - those are not exchangable by the end user.
The thing with C840 vs 8200 is that the Inspiron features harder but more brittle plastics, whereas the C840 features softer but more rugged plastics. Your experience will wildly vary by the amount of UV exposure it has got, but C840's plastics are supposed to act like a cushion to the components inside, like how the lid is purposefully designed that you can push in very easily, but it still is resistant when you twist it!
Additionally, C810/I8100 has more differences than just the specs. C810/I8100 has a totally different mechanical style keyboard that feels much better, and no they are NOT interchangable with C840 because C810 uses Synaptics mouse while C840 use ALPS! C810 also tend to come with flawed speakers that disintegrates and then sound like crap, while my C840's still have fantastic speakers! Additionally, C810 has no Ultrasharp UXGA option, just plain UXGA screen (and that's what I got)
I found a Geforce 4 440 Go to throw in my i8100 UXGA 1600X1200, will I have issues?
I own a Latitude C840 which is the twin to this series of laptops.
mine has a 1600x1200 lcd resolution and nvidia geforce4 440 go.
amazing machine, amazing bulky business laptop. expecially for the modular drive bays on the front, where you can store up to 2 batteries at once and swap with either a floppy drive or a dvd drive.
Got the prior model to this (the Inspiron 8100) and upgraded it with a few components from a Latitude C840 - notably the 1600x1200 screen and the Geforce 4 Go 440. Whilst I liked the C840, I felt the trackpoint and trackpad were a very poor implementation, with more latency and inertia than the I8100 or a ThinkPad. I would like to upgrade the 933MHz PIII-M to a 1.2GHz one some day though, that's the only thing holding it back for old 98/ME era stuff!
Good stuff. I have an 8100 around here somewhere too in need of some similar upgrades.
Good Video your under rated!
Thanks!
@@snowfoxcomputing your welcome come check out my smoked out channel!
I had a loaded model wth 64mb gpu played unreal tournament on it had a couple batteries was my first personal pc my folks got me for high school and the family business wish I'd kept it
In my country found this machines is Very,Very HARD!
Forget!
Not bad, pretty good :)
I bought an inspiron 8200 to use for retro gaming, and I'm running windows 98 second edition on it. Drivers for win9x are easy enough to find. My unit also came with a geforce 2 go, but I upgraded it to a radeon 9000 I pulled out of another (dead) dell laptop - an inspiron 8500 if I remember correctly. IF. It's a very good laptop for retro gaming, but winXP is a bit much for gaming on it. Most games I wanted to play on it won't run or are unstable under windows XP, and the ones that do take a performance hit compared to running under win9x. Also the speakers on my laptop suddenly died one day, witch seems to be a rather common occurrence with the inspiron 8000 line. The Radeon 9000 is not heappy in the 8200. The keyboard gets noticeably warm while gaming, and the stock 75w power adapter is no longer enough to reliably power the laptop while gaming, as I noticed at one point it starts to drain the battery as well, despite being plugged in - so I found and installed a geforce 4 440go and all issues went away.
I have an Inspiron 8500 too that has been maxed out, and sadly the graphics card are quite different physically. Maybe that is for the better since as you found out, the cooling is not ideal for higher end graphics cards in these things. I'm hoping to find a GeForce4 as well. I hadn't considered Windows 98 since it doesn't appear to be listed as supported by Dell but sounds like you got it going well.
@@snowfoxcomputing it's really easy to get going with generic drivers, if you don't mind looking around a bit for them. I installed win98se then loaded up everest and googled the device ID for the sound card and network card. Video card drivers are easy to find if you have the geforce 2 or 4, a bit harder for the radeon 9000 but I was able to locate m6 and m7 drivers for win98. The chipset drivers I got from intel.
You're right about the 8500 - the video card is different, I remembered wrong. I know I got the video card off another dead dell machine
Interesting Device.
I have an Compaq Evo N610c PIV M 2.0GHz 2 GB RAM and with ATI Mobility Radeon 7500, 60 GB HD, DVD. The Battery is death
Thank you for the video.
Thank you for watching! That Compaq seems really cool as well. I like the looks of those models, and have barely seen them around in my lifetime for some reason.
What a joy that hobby is right
sadly i had to give mine up completely due to ungrateful and greedy people
The P4 was probably cooler due to it being a mobile version and not a desktop P4 like the 9100.
Oh definitely, my Inspiron 9100 can be a great lap warmer during winter! I think my Inspiron 8500 can beat it at times though. Amazing how hot that thing gets.
I found one. What is the deal with that psu connector? Are the psu units still available for it?
Oh yes the power adapters are still on eBay. They are the old Dell standard 3-pin models PA-7 for 70 watt and PA-9 for 90 watt. You can search for those models or simply Inspiron 8200 power adapter. Searching for the adapters by their model numbers can get you a cheaper one sometimes, just be sure to see if there's images of the connectors themselves. Looks like you can get one for between $15-$20 shipped, cheaper if you dig around for a while. Good luck!
How much
I had this lappy in college with the better graphics card.
Very cool, how did you like it back then, and did it perform well for your needs?
It was great. The better processor (2.4ghz) and the 64mb nvidia made it handle applications almost as well as my desktop at the time.
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@@snowfoxcomputing Nice~ Hehehe!
looks like my dell latitude c840 notebook
Yes! They are almost the same laptop, with some minor construction, option, and BIOS differences. The C840 and 8200 share many parts, as is the case with many Dell product lines. Quite cool for the interchangeability.