The viewer disclosing their oopsie with the socket actually made the diagnosis significantly quicker. Also Greg, you had to channel your inner surgeon for this PC
Great video Greg! I have often repaired LGA socket pins using a needle just as you demonstrated when I was a bit younger! Now at age 73 I can still see the problem using a jewellers loupe but my hands are not steady enough to get it right! It's great to see someone using the old skills and passing them along to new generation! Look forward to more Fix or Flop! 😀😀😀
I've been building PCs for over 30 years, but my first LGA socket was quite stressful. I felt very uncomfortable closing the retention mechanism of a Ryzen 9 7950X3D. The force required to close the lever was unexpectedly high.
@@WirrWicht Over 30 years for me too and still surprises me today how much pressure you have to apply for some of the heatsinks, glad though that I don't have to faff with dip switches on motherboards and master and slave for drives and then there were drivers..........
@@jaysmudger heatsinks, pressure and those parts of the mounting clamps looking like guides for screw drivers... RIP countless motherboards... Never happened to me, but I also never had problems with PGA pins or a heatsink pulling the CPU out of the socket. .. Ripping slots off the board is another thing I can't even begin to understand how much force those people applied... These things do not just slide off...
66 here, my hands are steady, but I have triple vision, so would not be sure which pin I was actually touching. Had to give up Cross-stitch embroidery, for the reason. Also weak muscles. I cannot hold "heavy" components like collers or GPUs for more than a few seconds. Heck such a shame that we don't have a Greg equivalent in the Den Haag area!
@@UNIX32 Launch Date Q2'13 , so over 11years old. There is a point in replacing things that work fine. Plenty of examples.. my 4690k couldn't play the games i wanted, nor could my 970 which was upgraded to a 980Ti, then to a 7800xt. My CPU was upgraded to a 7600x and my sata ssd was upgraded to a 2tb NVME drive. The same can apply to a car, we got rid of our 2 seater for a 4 seater. The 2 seater worked fine, but wasn't up to our needs anymore.
@@RuruFIN You can rotate the fan assembly on the heatsink so the logo is in the right orientation. With AMD stock coolers also. They're just held to the heatsink with some little sheet metal screws. Intel ones generally just clip on. Between that and those stupid little pins, you couldn't pay me to use an intel stock cooler.
Well, you don't want to have a pull config on that cooler. If it was fighting against the rear fan, it is a double sin. The only way you could make it effective in a pull config is if you put tape along the sides to seal the gaps.
HI Greg. Great job with the surgery! I have been an IT engineer for, lets just say, a VERY long time now. I enjoy watching you learn and helping others do the same. One thing I did notice though is that the 3060 GPU looks to have a fair amount of sag in it. Over time that could crack the PCB, especially at the PCI-E hook. Cracks with break and / or short the circuits in the layers of the PCB. It really looked like (from the video) the GPU could have used a support post. They are only about $10 and are a world of help to any heavy GPU that is mounted sideways. $10 to save hundreds is well worth it in my book. I could be wrong. But, it sure looked like the GPU was bent from my screen.
I thought so too at first, but look closely. This card has a short PCB and long radiator. Usually the overhang radiator has solid backplate running the whole length of the radiator. This model has a backplate on the PCB, then a height change when the PCB ends. It visually looks like the card is bent (sagged), but when viewed closer, the PCB is actually quite straight and the sag is only on the radiator/plastic overhang.
I have a little more education to add! Believe it or not, but not all CPU/socket pins are actually needed. Some have the same function as others, which means that even if one snaps off, it may not be an issue. Then, there's other pins that when missing or misaligned don't prevent a POST but can have other negative effects; like a certain feature no longer functioning properly. This could be a feature you'll definitely want to make use of (like dual channel memory instead of having to rely on a single channel), or it could be an advanced feature that you probably won't be using. So, for one... don't give up on a board just because a pin is bent or broken; perhaps it still works fine! And two... Test and stress test well if you have new socket damage; your system might no longer be entirely stable, or features might be missing.
You are spot on!. Years back in like 2007 I did this with a cheapo mobo and Intel CPU. I would cut pins on the CPU and then put the CPU back in and kept doing it until the system wouldn't post.
I fixed a 4th gen socket a couple months ago. At one point, I thought I had it; system would post, but it would boot into Windows and almost immediately crash. Upon inspection, I could tell that one pin was shorting out the adjacent pin. With a little more work, I fixed it. But a great example of why a system posting is no guarantee that it is working properly.
Did a battery exchange on my laptop while this was playing in the background. Mine was a "Fix It" as well...battery is in and taking a charge. :) You're right, this WAS satisfying...and I saved myself a probably $80 parts/labor fee. :P
Very good! Always an adventure when bending pins on the socket back into position. Expert level and steady hand. Thanks for this. I'm sure it will help anyone stuck with a faulty or pin bent socket.
I bought a Gigabyte z170 based mobo many moon ago from a fellow on OfferUp. He said it was fine, but it had issues with the CPU socket pins. 1 of which had completely snapped. I didn't want to drive all the way back to meet him to get my money back so I sought to fix it myself. I bent the several bent pins back in place and cut out a pin from an old dead socket 775 mobo and very carefully placed it in the pin slot of the z170 board. Then I placed the CPU in (again, VERY carefully) and it posted. I can't ever remove the CPU without needing to mess with that pin again, but I have no plans to change the i5-6600K in it anyway. It's been a great 1080p machine ever since.
Gotta say, I discovered this series recently, and it's quite nice to go through these episodes. Very cool to see you aren't condescending in the least, or elitist or anything even remotely close to either. In fact, you seem quite understanding of everything can go wrong with working on a PC, offer good advice, and well, that's right cool. So, props to you bud. Will happily continue going through this and giving it some views. 🍻
Hey Greg. Long time fan here and also a technician. I had a similar issue with an older pc of mine witch had a broken pin. It did boot into windows and worked quite well for some time, but the actual problem from the broken pin was that my motherboard lost the ability to identify dual channel dims. Also, after some time, it could be an hour, some times less and some times more, i had a blue screen of death. If you ever repair a motherboard like you did in this video, and and a pin is missing or you fear its not touching the CPU, you sould probably take some more time to run application inside windows and be sure that its not a problem like the one i mentioned above. Thanks for all the videos and your hard work.
Hey Greg, for me the part where you say that everyone of us makes errors and that it is better to tell what happend instead of saying "I don´t know what happend", was great. And as always, great content. Thanks for the fix or flop playlist. I enjoy every single part of it.
Thanks Greg. I love watching your videos. This subject touched a nerve today. Several years ago I had one of my own systems do the exact same thing. I was changing the thermo-paste and new cooler. Not sure exactly how it happened. But when I went to boot my rig "CRAP" no post! fooled around with it for an hour or so. But when I took it down again I found I had accidentally bent a few pins. I tried a tooth pick at first, that's what a friend suggested for me to use. Just to big for the pins. I got a sewing needle from the wife, and bent the pins back as close as i could. Reassembled and "BAM"! got a post. hahaha Thanks son, just had to touch base and thank you for the video. It brought back a nice memory. Have a blessed day. 😊😊😊😊😊😊 PS. Please keep those videos coming. I watch them regularly. Always great content.
I actually won a GPU from AMD...and did a deep clean on my rig and dropped my CPU (AM4) on accident. Several pins were damaged. Got me a sewing needle and got them sorted. lo and behold, booted up and holding strong!
Great video. These cases also educate people on how fragile some components are within the pc. Hope that the owner of this one learned something new and is more careful with his next upgrade! In general well done with the relatively quick fix!
Greg, bless your heart! I just enjoy all the content of this channel, so every day I'm checking for new uploads. Currently my nr. 1 favourite tech channel
Well done Greg. The user was honest and very very lucky you were able to bend the pins back without breaking them. The user should be very happy. We all break stuff by accident. It happens.
THE BEST FEELING is when you repair a part, its why I love the budget space so much, where people cant throw money at pc parts so they have to fix them on their own
I just purchased a board because of bent pins and put them back into shape. Greg, you need a microscope, a stereo trinocular from amscope can be picked up for $400-$500. You can get a camera or camera adapter for dslr so you can use a new angle for viewers. If that interests you, get one labeled simul-focal. That will allow both of your eyes to be used with the camera view.
Well, actually, de-lidding efforts typically involve replacing the retainer with a contact frame. In fact, a lot of people are using contact frames these days without de-lidded CPUs because the CPUs are too big and, for some reason, they haven't switched to the double arm retainers that have been standard for a long time on enterprise hardware. The poor retention can lead to system instability under heavy load because of thermal expansion.
I love how you point out the sound of the fans during boot/POST, I tried to point that sound difference out to some friends when I lived in Florida but they couldn't hear it. Can most people notice it or is it something few can do? Great videos btw
I found that a metal dental pick is the perfect tool for manipulate pins. It's like a sewing needle with a 90° bend (so I guess you could just bend a sewing needle with pliers). It makes it easier to get in between pins without bending the neighboring ones and let's you see, where you're working.
"The PCIe slot doesnt necessarily have to match the size of the card going in" huh, learned something new as well 👍makes sense, i just never thought to even try the longer slot if space was an issue
@@kartoenn "Can" being the key word. If you put a x16 GPU that actually is wired for the full length into a x8 slot then you'll be losing the power those other x8 would give. Giving yourself a bottleneck by cutting the required lanes in half. But there are some GPUs that are physically x16 that are only set up to use the first x8.
Nice job. Always a good feeling to get something done with your hands instead of your wallet!! I know the feeling of harming a PC with user error. I am on one now, that is half broken. I am ordering parts this week for a fresh build.... however, I am kind of chicken with AMD so going with Intel again. But going with 11th gen and starting cold... case, Motherboard, new CPU and memory. So this time I will be more careful. Your photo near the end when explaining how it could happen, showing the molex modular connector is where I think I messed up.. so will pay special attention to that area this time!!! Thanks for that photo, it reminded me of where I likely went wrong...
I am glad that you were able to bend those pins back and get the system working again. I would still suggest doing a memory test and also doing some CPU stress test to get the CPU extremely hot and verify everything is in working order. There is always a chance that a pin is barely making good contact and a full stress test might show if there are any problems.
Some people have what my father called "heavy hands". They have no sense of finesse, everything is brute force. Someone with heavy hands should probably pay someone else to work on their computers
Love the videos Greg! My job is a lot like the last micro center video you posted with the build technicians. Except I fortunately get to build water cooled pcs every day! I wanna see your water cooling skills in action back in the channel! It would be cool if you did a watercooled system. Love your content keep it up!
Fix or flop is your best videos keep em coming. Personally I use a dental pick that has one straight end and one bent, they are just as thin as a sowing needle but with a handle so better for big hands in my opinion.
That 3060 is sag central, you should definitely ask a sponsor to send over some GPU retention brackets or something so that you can give them to rigs in dire need!
As a recent newbie pc builder I finished making my rig a couple months ago and made mistakes. I put all the parts together and it posted. only thing not going through was windows. I was worried I damaged my ssd but turns out I didn’t even plug it in. Make sure to double check everything in your system before putting on the side panels trust me nobody gets everything 100% right.
It is worth noting that if you break off a pin and that just happens to be a ground pin, you will probably still have a fully working system. There are often a lot of unused and excess ground pins on the CPUs. Also everyone should realize that any good tech would be understanding in a situation like this and the information would often help identify the problem quickly so they can fix it. This video is a great example of that.
I bought a pretty cheap usb microscope and a precision tweezer set on amazon and have been able to fix a few motherboards myself, basically the same method, but you can actually grab an individual pin with the tweezers and put it in the correct position and the microscope helps with seeing each pin's orientation much more clearly
Hi Greg, How about this for Mission Impossible? Design a tool using a tube with a hole just large enough to fit over a CPU pin. The tool's outside diameter would fit into the space around the pin. Your idea of using a sewing needle is excellent. The only change I would make is to flatten the end of the needle so that it wouldn't stick in the CPU wafer.
I removed the socket retention bracket on my B760 to install the Arctic contact frame that comes with the Freezer 36 air cooler. I was quite nervous about it but it all went well no damaged pins.
Today is a good day, I wake up to a Fix or Flop after spending all night watching in the background as I put together a pc out of my old hardware to sell
Nice to repair a viewer broken PC and repaste, but the best way in my books is to spread the paste to be sure it's going on all the surface of the CPU block! :) Thanks Greg!
With enough paste in a line or X and sufficient mounting pressure, it spreads regardless. You'll only have issues if not enough paste is used or if your mating surfaces aren't smooth/flat.
I use either anti-static small tweezers or an empty mechanical pencil to bend pins back, so far I have had a 100% success rate with 6 boards over 10yrs. The sewing needle works well too, I learned this due to messing up a socket removing a cpu w/out draining my loop when I had to warranty a 4790k back in the day with Intel (was on a Gigabyte z97x SOC-Force - loved that board)
Not sure how you work on pins without magnification (large lens or jewellers glasses)? Makes it easier not only to see what you are doing, but to inspect for alignment after as well.
I got an older Intel board from a friend for free because his brother bent some pins on the board. I used that same needle method and have that running my NAS now. Slow, careful movements will do wonders...
The viewer disclosing their oopsie with the socket actually made the diagnosis significantly quicker. Also Greg, you had to channel your inner surgeon for this PC
i was about to say he remined me of a surgeon this time around lol
Finally a fix or flop my favorite
Great video Greg! I have often repaired LGA socket pins using a needle just as you demonstrated when I was a bit younger! Now at age 73 I can still see the problem using a jewellers loupe but my hands are not steady enough to get it right! It's great to see someone using the old skills and passing them along to new generation! Look forward to more Fix or Flop! 😀😀😀
I've been building PCs for over 30 years, but my first LGA socket was quite stressful. I felt very uncomfortable closing the retention mechanism of a Ryzen 9 7950X3D. The force required to close the lever was unexpectedly high.
@@WirrWicht Over 30 years for me too and still surprises me today how much pressure you have to apply for some of the heatsinks, glad though that I don't have to faff with dip switches on motherboards and master and slave for drives and then there were drivers..........
@@jaysmudger heatsinks, pressure and those parts of the mounting clamps looking like guides for screw drivers... RIP countless motherboards... Never happened to me, but I also never had problems with PGA pins or a heatsink pulling the CPU out of the socket. .. Ripping slots off the board is another thing I can't even begin to understand how much force those people applied... These things do not just slide off...
your doing good - nearing 60 I have a digital microscope to see now days and my hands have always been pretty shaky.
66 here, my hands are steady, but I have triple vision, so would not be sure which pin I was actually touching. Had to give up Cross-stitch embroidery, for the reason.
Also weak muscles. I cannot hold "heavy" components like collers or GPUs for more than a few seconds.
Heck such a shame that we don't have a Greg equivalent in the Den Haag area!
"That is quite old,"
*Weeps in 4th gen 4770k*
In my eyes, a computer should last at least 10 years. There is no point in replacing something that works perfectly fine.
I got 2700K from intel 13 years old 😂
Smiles and looks at the i5 4590 on his keychain... :-)
@@UNIX32 Launch Date Q2'13 , so over 11years old.
There is a point in replacing things that work fine. Plenty of examples.. my 4690k couldn't play the games i wanted, nor could my 970 which was upgraded to a 980Ti, then to a 7800xt. My CPU was upgraded to a 7600x and my sata ssd was upgraded to a 2tb NVME drive.
The same can apply to a car, we got rid of our 2 seater for a 4 seater. The 2 seater worked fine, but wasn't up to our needs anymore.
I'm still rocking i5-3570 and i7-2600
Glad you also turned the cooler 180 degrees, It was hard to look at the cooler orientation before :)
Still doesn't annoy as much as an Intel stock cooler with the logo not facing the right way. :D
@@RuruFIN You can rotate the fan assembly on the heatsink so the logo is in the right orientation. With AMD stock coolers also. They're just held to the heatsink with some little sheet metal screws. Intel ones generally just clip on. Between that and those stupid little pins, you couldn't pay me to use an intel stock cooler.
Well, you don't want to have a pull config on that cooler. If it was fighting against the rear fan, it is a double sin. The only way you could make it effective in a pull config is if you put tape along the sides to seal the gaps.
Not the Wilhelm scream 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What else?
love the tool greg used sewing needle, ill have to try that
HI Greg. Great job with the surgery! I have been an IT engineer for, lets just say, a VERY long time now. I enjoy watching you learn and helping others do the same. One thing I did notice though is that the 3060 GPU looks to have a fair amount of sag in it. Over time that could crack the PCB, especially at the PCI-E hook. Cracks with break and / or short the circuits in the layers of the PCB. It really looked like (from the video) the GPU could have used a support post. They are only about $10 and are a world of help to any heavy GPU that is mounted sideways. $10 to save hundreds is well worth it in my book. I could be wrong. But, it sure looked like the GPU was bent from my screen.
I thought so too at first, but look closely. This card has a short PCB and long radiator. Usually the overhang radiator has solid backplate running the whole length of the radiator. This model has a backplate on the PCB, then a height change when the PCB ends. It visually looks like the card is bent (sagged), but when viewed closer, the PCB is actually quite straight and the sag is only on the radiator/plastic overhang.
I have a little more education to add!
Believe it or not, but not all CPU/socket pins are actually needed. Some have the same function as others, which means that even if one snaps off, it may not be an issue.
Then, there's other pins that when missing or misaligned don't prevent a POST but can have other negative effects; like a certain feature no longer functioning properly. This could be a feature you'll definitely want to make use of (like dual channel memory instead of having to rely on a single channel), or it could be an advanced feature that you probably won't be using.
So, for one... don't give up on a board just because a pin is bent or broken; perhaps it still works fine! And two... Test and stress test well if you have new socket damage; your system might no longer be entirely stable, or features might be missing.
You are spot on!. Years back in like 2007 I did this with a cheapo mobo and Intel CPU. I would cut pins on the CPU and then put the CPU back in and kept doing it until the system wouldn't post.
I fixed a 4th gen socket a couple months ago. At one point, I thought I had it; system would post, but it would boot into Windows and almost immediately crash. Upon inspection, I could tell that one pin was shorting out the adjacent pin. With a little more work, I fixed it. But a great example of why a system posting is no guarantee that it is working properly.
there is loads of these pc fixing videos on you tube but gregs are by far the best in my opinion and most enjoyable
Did a battery exchange on my laptop while this was playing in the background. Mine was a "Fix It" as well...battery is in and taking a charge. :) You're right, this WAS satisfying...and I saved myself a probably $80 parts/labor fee. :P
Very good! Always an adventure when bending pins on the socket back into position. Expert level and steady hand. Thanks for this. I'm sure it will help anyone stuck with a faulty or pin bent socket.
Brian from Tech Yes City is the bent pin master. Good job Greg. lol
One of the most enjoyable series I watch on TH-cam. Great job!
Wow, thanks!
I bought a Gigabyte z170 based mobo many moon ago from a fellow on OfferUp. He said it was fine, but it had issues with the CPU socket pins. 1 of which had completely snapped. I didn't want to drive all the way back to meet him to get my money back so I sought to fix it myself. I bent the several bent pins back in place and cut out a pin from an old dead socket 775 mobo and very carefully placed it in the pin slot of the z170 board. Then I placed the CPU in (again, VERY carefully) and it posted. I can't ever remove the CPU without needing to mess with that pin again, but I have no plans to change the i5-6600K in it anyway. It's been a great 1080p machine ever since.
so happy you managed to fix the pins this is awesome great work Greg👏
Gotta say, I discovered this series recently, and it's quite nice to go through these episodes. Very cool to see you aren't condescending in the least, or elitist or anything even remotely close to either.
In fact, you seem quite understanding of everything can go wrong with working on a PC, offer good advice, and well, that's right cool. So, props to you bud. Will happily continue going through this and giving it some views. 🍻
So Greg, how could someone give you a dislike? You seem like such a genuine and nice guy. This was a great fix btw.
User error happens .. glad your so understanding and would still happily take a pc damaged to help .. love this series
Hey Greg. Long time fan here and also a technician. I had a similar issue with an older pc of mine witch had a broken pin. It did boot into windows and worked quite well for some time, but the actual problem from the broken pin was that my motherboard lost the ability to identify dual channel dims. Also, after some time, it could be an hour, some times less and some times more, i had a blue screen of death. If you ever repair a motherboard like you did in this video, and and a pin is missing or you fear its not touching the CPU, you sould probably take some more time to run application inside windows and be sure that its not a problem like the one i mentioned above. Thanks for all the videos and your hard work.
Hey Greg, for me the part where you say that everyone of us makes errors and that it is better to tell what happend instead of saying "I don´t know what happend", was great. And as always, great content. Thanks for the fix or flop playlist. I enjoy every single part of it.
we all mess up sometimes greg does too its nice to learn things and try to prevent the mess ups
Thanks Greg. I love watching your videos. This subject touched a nerve today. Several years ago I had one of my own systems do the exact same
thing. I was changing the thermo-paste and new cooler. Not sure exactly how it happened. But when I went to boot my rig "CRAP" no post!
fooled around with it for an hour or so. But when I took it down again I found I had accidentally bent a few pins. I tried a tooth pick at first, that's what
a friend suggested for me to use. Just to big for the pins. I got a sewing needle from the wife, and bent the pins back as close as i could. Reassembled
and "BAM"! got a post. hahaha Thanks son, just had to touch base and thank you for the video. It brought back a nice memory. Have a blessed day. 😊😊😊😊😊😊
PS. Please keep those videos coming. I watch them regularly. Always great content.
I actually won a GPU from AMD...and did a deep clean on my rig and dropped my CPU (AM4) on accident. Several pins were damaged. Got me a sewing needle and got them sorted. lo and behold, booted up and holding strong!
Excellent work as usual
Thanks for watching!
Greg you are an absolute legend. You fix peoples PC for free and help people with similar problems in the process.
I'm only able to do this thanks to your viewership! So thank you!
Demn! Great job fixing those pins!
Very great fix on the cpu socket Greg. 👍
But the not so great is Windows 11 running on an unsupported cpu.
Great video. These cases also educate people on how fragile some components are within the pc. Hope that the owner of this one learned something new and is more careful with his next upgrade!
In general well done with the relatively quick fix!
Very awesome save and your patience paid off! Great series!
Thanks for saving another mobo! Awesome job Greg
Glad to see he uploaded made my day, thank you Greg!!! Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Been having Greg Fix or Flop withdrawals. I think I've watch almost all of them now.
Had to subscribe! Computer and gun guy! Great work bro!
Nice going on the repair.
Thanks!
Fix or flop is my favorite. Wish you posted about 3 vids a week just on it. That would be awesome.
Interesting build and fix. Glad it worked out so well in the end.
I wonder if anyone has tried those phase sheets on a Switch.
Greg, bless your heart! I just enjoy all the content of this channel, so every day I'm checking for new uploads. Currently my nr. 1 favourite tech channel
Great video! Nice to see a success story. Probably should have gifted him a kickstand for that hanging graphics card 😃
Good job Greg!👏
Love the cable management. It was driving me crazy too. I would have changed the orange and red cables to black, just me. Greg good job. 👍
This was great! I've thankfully never had to fix pins like this, but to see it was super helpful. Here's to hoping I never need it! :D
I love this series! I learned so much!
Good job my friend 👏
Welcome back Fix or Flop S5. I resorted to watching past episodes to bide my time until you returned.
Great job Greg. Keep up the good work. :)
@ 10:50 nice work on the cable management. 👍
I could see some nice white extensions in that case.
Wish we had people like you here in Ontario Canada that care so much about us non computer like you do. Awesome job Greg
I have had brand new from the factory look like that pin quite often and still work. The pin to open a sim card slot works too.
Screwing up my own systems is how I learned to work on computers. Like you said not the end of the world.. can he a great teaching moment
Love your channel and all you do!
very good video Greg!
keep going!!!
“Looks good too me I swear I didn’t damage it” 😂
Great job Greg 😊
Thank you! Cheers!
Greg sowed his was to another success.
Nice job on the pins so many people just call it quits on the board if pins get bent
Another enjoyable video. Thanks Greg ;)
Well done Greg.
The user was honest and very very lucky you were able to bend the pins back without breaking them.
The user should be very happy.
We all break stuff by accident. It happens.
Honest but dumb. Read the instructions and this never would have happened.
@@jaro6985 agreed 👍
THE BEST FEELING is when you repair a part, its why I love the budget space so much, where people cant throw money at pc parts so they have to fix them on their own
I just purchased a board because of bent pins and put them back into shape. Greg, you need a microscope, a stereo trinocular from amscope can be picked up for $400-$500. You can get a camera or camera adapter for dslr so you can use a new angle for viewers. If that interests you, get one labeled simul-focal. That will allow both of your eyes to be used with the camera view.
great video Greg
So glad to see fof back.
And remember kids, you can "Go Commando" ....but your CPU...can't.
Well, actually, de-lidding efforts typically involve replacing the retainer with a contact frame. In fact, a lot of people are using contact frames these days without de-lidded CPUs because the CPUs are too big and, for some reason, they haven't switched to the double arm retainers that have been standard for a long time on enterprise hardware. The poor retention can lead to system instability under heavy load because of thermal expansion.
I love how you point out the sound of the fans during boot/POST, I tried to point that sound difference out to some friends when I lived in Florida but they couldn't hear it. Can most people notice it or is it something few can do? Great videos btw
Awesome video Greg :) I need to repaste my cpu and change the cooler, so I will watch out now for those issues
I found that a metal dental pick is the perfect tool for manipulate pins. It's like a sewing needle with a 90° bend (so I guess you could just bend a sewing needle with pliers).
It makes it easier to get in between pins without bending the neighboring ones and let's you see, where you're working.
"The PCIe slot doesnt necessarily have to match the size of the card going in" huh, learned something new as well 👍makes sense, i just never thought to even try the longer slot if space was an issue
It can also work the other way if the slot has an open end towards the 24-pin connector
That's the magic of the PCIe slot! It just works.
@@kartoenn "Can" being the key word. If you put a x16 GPU that actually is wired for the full length into a x8 slot then you'll be losing the power those other x8 would give. Giving yourself a bottleneck by cutting the required lanes in half. But there are some GPUs that are physically x16 that are only set up to use the first x8.
You are actually pretty skilled with a needle!
"That is quite old" *Excuse me while my 6900k and I crumble into dust and blow away
Nice job. Always a good feeling to get something done with your hands instead of your wallet!!
I know the feeling of harming a PC with user error. I am on one now, that is half broken. I am ordering parts this week for a fresh build.... however, I am kind of chicken with AMD so going with Intel again. But going with 11th gen and starting cold... case, Motherboard, new CPU and memory. So this time I will be more careful. Your photo near the end when explaining how it could happen, showing the molex modular connector is where I think I messed up.. so will pay special attention to that area this time!!! Thanks for that photo, it reminded me of where I likely went wrong...
I am glad that you were able to bend those pins back and get the system working again. I would still suggest doing a memory test and also doing some CPU stress test to get the CPU extremely hot and verify everything is in working order. There is always a chance that a pin is barely making good contact and a full stress test might show if there are any problems.
Greg for the W and nothing out of pocket (or closet)!
as always a nice fix. the one time I did repair pins I used an exacto knife blade
Some people have what my father called "heavy hands". They have no sense of finesse, everything is brute force. Someone with heavy hands should probably pay someone else to work on their computers
Love the videos Greg! My job is a lot like the last micro center video you posted with the build technicians. Except I fortunately get to build water cooled pcs every day! I wanna see your water cooling skills in action back in the channel! It would be cool if you did a watercooled system. Love your content keep it up!
Removing the ILM to install a cooler is just wild!
I use a dart pin to fix bent pins in the past. Gives me that good handle while fixing :)
That's amazing!
woohoo another episode. Weird place to store an i/o shield.
I was looking for this comment.
Fix or flop is your best videos keep em coming. Personally I use a dental pick that has one straight end and one bent, they are just as thin as a sowing needle but with a handle so better for big hands in my opinion.
This is going to be a great video and keep up the good work Greg
I appreciate it!
I've also used a razer knife to bend pins back into shape with good success.
thanks Greg for doing what u do btw loving that lewis Hamilton soon to be new shirt :P
That 3060 is sag central, you should definitely ask a sponsor to send over some GPU retention brackets or something so that you can give them to rigs in dire need!
14:00 welcome to the Greg Salazar edition of the 7 11!
As a recent newbie pc builder I finished making my rig a couple months ago and made mistakes. I put all the parts together and it posted. only thing not going through was windows. I was worried I damaged my ssd but turns out I didn’t even plug it in. Make sure to double check everything in your system before putting on the side panels trust me nobody gets everything 100% right.
It is worth noting that if you break off a pin and that just happens to be a ground pin, you will probably still have a fully working system. There are often a lot of unused and excess ground pins on the CPUs.
Also everyone should realize that any good tech would be understanding in a situation like this and the information would often help identify the problem quickly so they can fix it. This video is a great example of that.
missed these video
I bought a pretty cheap usb microscope and a precision tweezer set on amazon and have been able to fix a few motherboards myself, basically the same method, but you can actually grab an individual pin with the tweezers and put it in the correct position and the microscope helps with seeing each pin's orientation much more clearly
Hi Greg, How about this for Mission Impossible? Design a tool using a tube with a hole just large enough to fit over a CPU pin. The tool's outside diameter would fit into the space around the pin. Your idea of using a sewing needle is excellent. The only change I would make is to flatten the end of the needle so that it wouldn't stick in the CPU wafer.
I removed the socket retention bracket on my B760 to install the Arctic contact frame that comes with the Freezer 36 air cooler. I was quite nervous about it but it all went well no damaged pins.
Today is a good day, I wake up to a Fix or Flop after spending all night watching in the background as I put together a pc out of my old hardware to sell
well done
7:30 ahh the good old times, I've almost blown up systems too to the point that there was already visible smoke.. 😅
Nice to repair a viewer broken PC and repaste, but the best way in my books is to spread the paste to be sure it's going on all the surface of the CPU block! :) Thanks Greg!
With enough paste in a line or X and sufficient mounting pressure, it spreads regardless. You'll only have issues if not enough paste is used or if your mating surfaces aren't smooth/flat.
I use either anti-static small tweezers or an empty mechanical pencil to bend pins back, so far I have had a 100% success rate with 6 boards over 10yrs. The sewing needle works well too, I learned this due to messing up a socket removing a cpu w/out draining my loop when I had to warranty a 4790k back in the day with Intel (was on a Gigabyte z97x SOC-Force - loved that board)
good info
Not sure how you work on pins without magnification (large lens or jewellers glasses)?
Makes it easier not only to see what you are doing, but to inspect for alignment after as well.
I got an older Intel board from a friend for free because his brother bent some pins on the board. I used that same needle method and have that running my NAS now. Slow, careful movements will do wonders...
Michigan here.. like the mention to use a sewing needle... Tried to use a razor blade year back and I made things worse.