I have an ECE Enneruch #711 smoother. In general I am a Stanley guy, but I love,this,plane. Lignum vitae sole for,that unmistakeable wood-on-wood feel and a backlash free on the fly adjustmemt. Great tool.
Great info! I don’t know what rock I have been living under but just discovered your channel. I’m going to be catching up on all your videos in the near future. Keep sharing.
All the credit goes to Roger K. Smith! He’s the one who did all the research first. Well, him and a bunch of other patented hand plane enthusiasts, back when I was just a wee lad
Interested in seeing a Palmers & Storkes Patent in action on Metallic Plane Co. With three levers and a couple of “cradles”, it’s a weird looking beast.
I like the sound of that! Refer back to it often! 😅 But also, be sure to pick up a copy of PTAMPIA if you happen to find either volume out in the wild or for a reasonable price somewhere
Found this very useful for judging a plane’s age and quality with a quick look. So today I was at the PATINA annual tool sale in Damascus, MD, looking for a No. 3. I picked it up for a closer examination and heard a familiar voice asking if I needed help. It was MJ. Thank you again for your help today and for the wisdom in your videos.
Speaking of Standard Rule, I have an Upson Nut number 7. It's my understanding that at some point in time, the two companies were affiliated. It is an awesome plane, almost indistinguishable from a Stanley including the lateral and frog. Small brass right handed thread adjustment nut.
The plane I have was my father's, probably acquired around 1950. My thought is that it was at the cheapest end of the scale at the time. The only markings I have found are Wards Master on the lever cap (raised letters on a rectangular recessed red background), and the number 13 on the frog. The frog has crinkly red paint, including the areas where I see a machined surface in pictures of Stanley and others. The same red crinkly is the finish on the entire interior. Handle and front knob appear to be plastic. Length is maybe 14 1/2 inches. The lateral is one piece stamped, with the disk offset from the riveted pivot point, and the long end twisted. I never saw dad use it, not even once. I assume Wards meant Montgomery Wards, but could easily be mistaken.
@@justplanefun Thanks for the info. It seems that being Stanley-made doesn't mean they didn't cut corners (stamped lateral, paint on the frog's working surface).
That was cool! I like the info on the oddballs. I buy any local plane for $20 or less and have quite the variety. My favorite non Stanley was a Sheldon No. 4 sized, while not unique in feature it is extremely well made. I say was because I gave it to my sister in law after I got it useable. My No. 6 sized Craftsman (Millers Falls) is also interesting.
The oddballs are definitely unique. In part II I plan to go into more detail about what was going on in the Northeast around the turn of the century - many, many tool manufacturers coming out with lots of new and unique designs
Also have been curious about later Stanley like Sheldons, not bad planes really other than mouth too big. I keep one around for working away from bench.
Oh and thanks for Miller link, I got a sweet number 9 with a black frog but all indicators i have found don't make sense. Maybe now I can figure it out.
I have a 14" hand plane that has a red frog and is stamped near the toe that says Made in the USA, it says Victor on the chip breaker and has a red wood tote and front knob. I'm trying to figure out what version of hand plane this is.
Sounds an awful lot like a second line plane that Stanley made. I don’t recall the time frame but they resurrected the “Victor” line years and years after buying them out. It’s a hardware store brand equivalent - similar to Wards Master or Craftsman
Nice to see a Turner plane with the distinctive ruby red handle. They manufactured down the road from where I lived in Nunawading until the 1970's untill Stanley bought them out. The factory had the Stanley name on it through to the 1980's.
Nice! This Turner was a gift from one of my long-time customers down in Australia. It’s a great addition to my collection here in the US cause not a lot of people here have one
Agreed. Hopefully I captured a bit of that in the video as far as the Ohio & their Keen Kutter laterals being a bit wider and many of the others being more skinny. And the differences in the twists between different manufacturers too, though I didn’t show them side by side
Enjoyed that immensely. Just got into restore/ refurbishing hand planes a couple years ago so my knowledge is quite limited. I started this hobby to maybe make a few bucks but that hasn't happened. Probably because I haven't tried to sell anything 😂. Thanks
Wow nice job and great info. Just bought 3 fruit boxes of plane parts this past summer. In the process of sorting. I have alot of frogs with no bodies. So this will help greatly Thanks
I have a handful of soles, at least in the common sizes so if you want to rebuild any of em, let me know. Maybe I can hook you up with a type correct sole or 5
Great fun facts. I think like this always wanting to compare individual parts of many planes. I will need to watch this several times. I do have many of those planes but certainly not all you showed. Keep up the good work. Something I also have wanted to do was test and record the hardness of the various parts and tie that to the type studies. I often wonder about the various foundries that made the casting and the steel mills that made the irons. If someone had access to the equipment could a trail be identified using metallurgy testing? Thanks again.
@@justplanefunyes, definitely Germany, E.C. Emmerich. I bought their Primus Reform Smoother (I think same as this one) back in the late 80s, when I was a power tool woodworker, who could barely sharpen a plane iron. Eventually sold it for cheap, but saw a mint one on eBay 2-3 yrs. ago, bought it for a song. They’re VERY good planes, when you know how to sharpen(!), and now sell new for over $300. The Lignum Vitae sole is wonderful (and smells great). Terrific work, as always, MJ.😢
Great fun facts. I think like this always wanting to compare individual parts of many planes. I will need to watch this several times. I do have many of those planes but certainly not all you showed. Keep up the good work. Something I also have wanted to do was test and record the hardness of the various parts and tie that to the type studies. I often wonder about the various foundries that made the casting and the steel mills that made the irons. If someone had access to the equipment could a trail be identified using metallurgy testing? Thanks again.
That’s a great question. I think Stanley maintains *some* records of older production data for historical purposes but I don’t know if they would have that kind of specific information. It would make a great rabbit hole, I mean research project!
I have an ECE Enneruch #711 smoother. In general I am a Stanley guy, but I love,this,plane. Lignum vitae sole for,that unmistakeable wood-on-wood feel and a backlash free on the fly adjustmemt. Great tool.
I haven’t tried to use it at all. The plane came to me in a medium size lot of planes. One of these days I’ll sell it
Great info! I don’t know what rock I have been living under but just discovered your channel. I’m going to be catching up on all your videos in the near future. Keep sharing.
I like everything about that! Let me know if you have any questions or if you find that you need any planes or parts.
A walking talking encyclopedia of knowledge! Nice job MJ, appreciate your depth of expertise.
All the credit goes to Roger K. Smith! He’s the one who did all the research first. Well, him and a bunch of other patented hand plane enthusiasts, back when I was just a wee lad
Interested in seeing a Palmers & Storkes Patent in action on Metallic Plane Co. With three levers and a couple of “cradles”, it’s a weird looking beast.
Great Job! A lot to take in, will have to watch again.
I like the sound of that! Refer back to it often! 😅
But also, be sure to pick up a copy of PTAMPIA if you happen to find either volume out in the wild or for a reasonable price somewhere
ECE stands for E. C. Emmerich and they have been making planes in Germany for five generations (1852).
I just knew someone would know it on sight. Thank you 🙏🏻
Found this very useful for judging a plane’s age and quality with a quick look. So today I was at the PATINA annual tool sale in Damascus, MD, looking for a No. 3. I picked it up for a closer examination and heard a familiar voice asking if I needed help. It was MJ. Thank you again for your help today and for the wisdom in your videos.
Thanks for watching! Good to meet you in person at PATINA
Speaking of Standard Rule, I have an Upson Nut number 7. It's my understanding that at some point in time, the two companies were affiliated. It is an awesome plane, almost indistinguishable from a Stanley including the lateral and frog. Small brass right handed thread adjustment nut.
The plane I have was my father's, probably acquired around 1950. My thought is that it was at the cheapest end of the scale at the time. The only markings I have found are Wards Master on the lever cap (raised letters on a rectangular recessed red background), and the number 13 on the frog. The frog has crinkly red paint, including the areas where I see a machined surface in pictures of Stanley and others. The same red crinkly is the finish on the entire interior. Handle and front knob appear to be plastic. Length is maybe 14 1/2 inches. The lateral is one piece stamped, with the disk offset from the riveted pivot point, and the long end twisted. I never saw dad use it, not even once. I assume Wards meant Montgomery Wards, but could easily be mistaken.
Sounds like a Wards Master No5. You’re correct about Montgomery Wards. It was made by Stanley for the department store
@@justplanefun Thanks for the info. It seems that being Stanley-made doesn't mean they didn't cut corners (stamped lateral, paint on the frog's working surface).
That was cool! I like the info on the oddballs. I buy any local plane for $20 or less and have quite the variety. My favorite non Stanley was a Sheldon No. 4 sized, while not unique in feature it is extremely well made. I say was because I gave it to my sister in law after I got it useable. My No. 6 sized Craftsman (Millers Falls) is also interesting.
The oddballs are definitely unique. In part II I plan to go into more detail about what was going on in the Northeast around the turn of the century - many, many tool manufacturers coming out with lots of new and unique designs
Also have been curious about later Stanley like Sheldons, not bad planes really other than mouth too big. I keep one around for working away from bench.
Oh and thanks for Miller link, I got a sweet number 9 with a black frog but all indicators i have found don't make sense. Maybe now I can figure it out.
Great video! Wish I had this information a while back. Love looking at all those different types of planes.
A labor of love putting this one together for sure! I appreciate ya watching. Gonna have to get a box of irons heading your way soon
@@justplanefun sounds good! I’ll be waiting!
I have a 14" hand plane that has a red frog and is stamped near the toe that says Made in the USA, it says Victor on the chip breaker and has a red wood tote and front knob. I'm trying to figure out what version of hand plane this is.
Sounds an awful lot like a second line plane that Stanley made. I don’t recall the time frame but they resurrected the “Victor” line years and years after buying them out. It’s a hardware store brand equivalent - similar to Wards Master or Craftsman
Nice to see a Turner plane with the distinctive ruby red handle. They manufactured down the road from where I lived in Nunawading until the 1970's untill Stanley bought them out. The factory had the Stanley name on it through to the 1980's.
Nice! This Turner was a gift from one of my long-time customers down in Australia. It’s a great addition to my collection here in the US cause not a lot of people here have one
Great video! A lot of the twisted laterals have different shapes though, so you can tell the manufacturer from the shape.
Agreed. Hopefully I captured a bit of that in the video as far as the Ohio & their Keen Kutter laterals being a bit wider and many of the others being more skinny. And the differences in the twists between different manufacturers too, though I didn’t show them side by side
Enjoyed that immensely. Just got into restore/ refurbishing hand planes a couple years ago so my knowledge is quite limited. I started this hobby to maybe make a few bucks but that hasn't happened. Probably because I haven't tried to sell anything 😂. Thanks
Nothing wrong with that! I got started the same way but didn’t have room to keep em all so I had to start selling.
@@justplanefun I live in a small 1 bedroom apartment so space is definitely at a premium. Ha, good thing I live alone!
Very interesting and informative. Thanks Michael.
Thanks for watching! Hopefully it helps some folks ID their planes ✈️
Another great video. Really like the Buckeye. Plenty of great tool manufacturers from Ohio.
MJ very informative. Another good production. Thank you sir.
Thanks JD! I appreciate you tuning in. Hopefully this video will help some folks out with Identifying their planes’ ✈️ manufacturers.
My 2 Jack planes are an OLD Sargent, and an OLD Worth.
Nice. The Sargent is probably a really solid user. The Worth planes usually leave a lot to be desired, unfortunately
Wow nice job and great info. Just bought 3 fruit boxes of plane parts this past summer. In the process of sorting. I have alot of frogs with no bodies. So this will help greatly Thanks
I have a handful of soles, at least in the common sizes so if you want to rebuild any of em, let me know. Maybe I can hook you up with a type correct sole or 5
Great fun facts. I think like this always wanting to compare individual parts of many planes. I will need to watch this several times. I do have many of those planes but certainly not all you showed. Keep up the good work. Something I also have wanted to do was test and record the hardness of the various parts and tie that to the type studies. I often wonder about the various foundries that made the casting and the steel mills that made the irons. If someone had access to the equipment could a trail be identified using metallurgy testing? Thanks again.
Great video by the way
Thanks!
Hey MJ thanx for putting n the work n making ur helpful n informative videos, is there a way to check ur invetory for parts were lookin for ?
The best thing to do is reach out to me directly. FB messenger is best but if you’re not on FB you can email me at jplanefun@gmail.com
Would it be the same for the made in England planes??
I have to watch this later. Going to a tool meet now.
Great! Good luck at the meet.
The wooden plane with the horn, I think ir is from Germany (or at least the original design)
Another commenter said the same! Definitely German
@@justplanefunyes, definitely Germany, E.C. Emmerich. I bought their Primus Reform Smoother (I think same as this one) back in the late 80s, when I was a power tool woodworker, who could barely sharpen a plane iron. Eventually sold it for cheap, but saw a mint one on eBay 2-3 yrs. ago, bought it for a song. They’re VERY good planes, when you know how to sharpen(!), and now sell new for over $300. The Lignum Vitae sole is wonderful (and smells great).
Terrific work, as always, MJ.😢
Looking for a history of an eclipse smoothing plane.
I made it to the end. My brain hurts. Very impressive. What about Buckeye planes? Were they not made in the my native state of Ohio?
You're doing God's work!
That might be a bit of a stretch but I appreciate the notion!
Yep, you know way too much about laterals...😅 Nice job on pulling it all together and threading it all together with the Stanley baseline.
Thank You! This is one of my favorite comments - I’m just over here like, this guy gets it!!
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Thanks Buddy. I got the Ohio / Keen Kutter connection right this time! 😅
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@@justplanefun all those frogs
Great fun facts. I think like this always wanting to compare individual parts of many planes. I will need to watch this several times. I do have many of those planes but certainly not all you showed. Keep up the good work. Something I also have wanted to do was test and record the hardness of the various parts and tie that to the type studies. I often wonder about the various foundries that made the casting and the steel mills that made the irons. If someone had access to the equipment could a trail be identified using metallurgy testing? Thanks again.
That’s a great question. I think Stanley maintains *some* records of older production data for historical purposes but I don’t know if they would have that kind of specific information. It would make a great rabbit hole, I mean research project!