I have my grandfather's Bailey #5 made in England that I refinished the wood and cleaned up all the surfaces on a diamond plate . I use it very often and it cuts so smooth and clean and is a joy to use . I don't know much about it but I do know he stopped boatbuilding back in the late 50's and was starting building them before WW2 . I've never seen another with Aluminum tote and handle nuts and blade adjuster knob like this one has and my dad assured me that it was all original . Every old plane I have seen had brass parts.
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing. I’ve posted a couple videos on TH-cam where I restore hand planes. I restored a Sargent no. 708 autoset. I love those planes. Another rare hand plane is the Stanley no. 5H or the short version of the 62
You’re absolutely correct about the H models - both the 4 1/2H and 5 1/2H. I hear they’re a lot more common over in England as that’s where Stanley marketed them more. The shorter low angle bench plane is the No164. There’s one on eBay right now for the low, low price of just $3400!
Interesting to see the risk/reward proposition when you (specifically you, not the generic "you") buy a plane and discover surprises like the braze or a tiny crack.
The great thing about being a parts dealer is that I can nearly always at least get my money back out of a plane, even if I find damage on it somewhere
I have three Bailey Tool Co. Defiance planes from the 1870s that would probably be considered scarce to rare. Beautiful tools, and all three use different, unique designs for extending/retracting the cutters. I hardly ever see them up for sale, and I don't use them - I've got plenty of newer Stanleys that work just fine.
I always thought the 602C was the most rare bedrock, or do you think the 602c is just more valuable because of the #2 size collectability as you mentioned previous in the video?
That’s a very fair question and I appreciate you bringing it up. Per Pat Leach on B&G, the 602c was made from 1898-1918 so a bit longer than the 605 1/4 in terms of production years. www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan15.htm Mr. Leach goes on to say that the 605 1/4 is the scarcest of all the bedrocks (see link). Apparently they were mostly used in schools for shop class.
Union guy here, most X-planes are uncommon, with the X5 being probably the most common of them. The X0(#1 size) and X2 being rare. There are scarce sizes, meaning i might see one for sale in a year, but otherwise uncommon suits them. Currently there is an increase in demand for them that pushes the price up.
I figured that might be the case. I just so rarely see them. Guess maybe the folks that have em are holding on to em instead of putting them up for sale
Hi. Thank you for this very interesting Video. Did you ever come across a Stanley 101 1/2 with a squirrel Tail? I have one in my collection. It seems to be absolutely genuine, but I can not find any information about this plane. Maybe you know something about it? Thank you in advance.
I’m familiar with the 100 1/2 (the round-sole squirrel tail) and the 101 1/2 (the stub-nose finger plane) but I’m not familiar with a hybrid of the two. I wonder if the one you have it maybe a shop-modified squirrel tail. Feel free to shoot me some pics - jplanefun@gmail.com
@@justplanefun Thank you for your interest. - I just learned that this plane is a "fake". It is a 100 with a cut off nose. The other one is a correct 101 1/2.
Lots of questions about the 10 1/2. I thought mine was complete but didn’t work well. I now realize ( and thought prior to this video) I have the wrong chip breaker and blade.
Awesome! I am interested. I think that my blade will work. Mine has a “s” casting on the body,front adjusting plate and lever cap. Is that significant?
It really depends on the person doing the job. I got a old sears cast iron 4" planer jointer that broke the arm off. He welded it back together but you can see a Crack.
The no72 is spoken for. The no62 with the chipped mouth I think is a good option for being patted out. We can chat about it though. Shoot me a message on FB messenger or email me at jplanefun@gmail.com
Another expert video, MJ! Hey, a question: When you say “wire wheel”, what are you referring to (meaning, what is best for this application)? Steel? Brass? Fine, or coarse? And what is the deal with “brass-coated steel” wheels? Are they just “fake” brass, or do they serve a niche purpose? Thanks, Chuck L, Patreon member.
The rule of thumb is of course the least abrasive / most gentle approach required to remove the grime, rust, etc. I use a brass coated wire wheel on a variable speed Delta grinder. I’m not 100% certain but I think the brass coated ones are cheaper to produce and they seem to hold together better than the ones with solid brass wires (I’ve tried both and the brass ones shed pretty bad) Equally important though is how you employ the wheel. Some folks seem to lean into it too much / press too hard which tends to be too abrasive in my experience. Just a light press against the wire wheel will often do the trick though it may take longer.
Personal opinion - any Sargent tool is worthy of restoration. I have 1. I also have Bailey, Pope, Record, Stanley, Turner, Footprint, Carter, Falcon. Gawd - I also have some German planes and possibly a Marples.
100% - They were made for just a bit longer and also spanned the gap between the round side and flat side Bedrocks. As you know, the 605 1/4 was only made as a flat side. Pat Leach has a blurb in B&G on them of course - he prefers “scarce” vs. rare though when describing any of these hard to find Bedrocks
I MET A MAN THAT WORKED FOR STANLY, HE CALLED THE GROVES IN A PLANE AS PITCH GROVES, AND JIM SAID IT WAS A SALES GIMIC. WORKING WITH WOOD WITH PITCH IT WAS A PLACE FOR IT TO GO, KEEPING THE PLANE ON THE WOOD, IT WAS NOT FOR MAKING THE TOOL LIGHTER.
That’s a good question. If I’m understanding correctly, you’re asking if there are any planes we know once existed but are now gone completely. My answer is - I don’t know. I’ve heard tale of some planes that there are only a handful in existence (Chaplin No1) and then there are prototypes that were lost when the patent office / warehouse where they kept examples of each new patent burned to the ground. Even in that instance, they salvaged what they could from the burned remains of the building.
@justplanefun Dave Corinth does awesome work. I watched him make those replacement totes and knobs and was amazed at how original they looked. I really enjoy watching his and your videos. I learn a ton about buying planes and have made myself a very nice user collection. I've even started making a 101 like dave does with the tote and knob.
Some great education on this one. Fun to see the less common planes.
Hopefully everyone gains some good tips on what to look for when they’re out looking for their next acquisition.
Great informative video! 👍 Couldn't think who else i could listen to for 40mins geeking out 😂❤
Hand plane geeks unite!! 😅
@justplanefun sawp out untie for assemble... 😆
Love your vids and sharing your knowledge is just great. Thank you.
Thanks for watching! Hopefully these videos will help folks know more about what to look for when shopping for their next hand plane
I have my grandfather's Bailey #5 made in England that I refinished the wood and cleaned up all the surfaces on a diamond plate . I use it very often and it cuts so smooth and clean and is a joy to use . I don't know much about it but I do know he stopped boatbuilding back in the late 50's and was starting building them before WW2 . I've never seen another with Aluminum tote and handle nuts and blade adjuster knob like this one has and my dad assured me that it was all original . Every old plane I have seen had brass parts.
Sounds like it might be a type 17 - made during WWII.
@@justplanefun kind of what I was thinking , most countries put using brass for ammunition as a top priority use during that time .
GREAT video, GREAT presentation, M.J.!! Really appreciate your vast handplane knowledge, brother!!
Thank You Sir! I’m happy to share it all!
Very informative quality video as always thanks so much!!
Thank You Sir! As long as yall keep watching em, I’ll keep making em
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing. I’ve posted a couple videos on TH-cam where I restore hand planes. I restored a Sargent no. 708 autoset. I love those planes. Another rare hand plane is the Stanley no. 5H or the short version of the 62
You’re absolutely correct about the H models - both the 4 1/2H and 5 1/2H. I hear they’re a lot more common over in England as that’s where Stanley marketed them more.
The shorter low angle bench plane is the No164. There’s one on eBay right now for the low, low price of just $3400!
Interesting to see the risk/reward proposition when you (specifically you, not the generic "you") buy a plane and discover surprises like the braze or a tiny crack.
The great thing about being a parts dealer is that I can nearly always at least get my money back out of a plane, even if I find damage on it somewhere
Great video! I had a type 1 no 10 1/2 that I paid $8 for a while back. You helped me with a lever cap for it. 👍
I think I remember that. I’ve only ever seen maybe 3 or 4 type 1s No10 1/2s around. I’ve had 2 pass thru the shop
Great planes & info as usual XD
Thanks Bud! So far I haven’t had to issue any corrections. 😅
Very cool. Now you have me thinking about going through my lever caps and seeing if you have some that don't have chips in the edges...
Sounds good to me! Let me know what sizes and types and we can see what I have.
awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have three Bailey Tool Co. Defiance planes from the 1870s that would probably be considered scarce to rare. Beautiful tools, and all three use different, unique designs for extending/retracting the cutters. I hardly ever see them up for sale, and I don't use them - I've got plenty of newer Stanleys that work just fine.
Is the I don't use them just to make people mad 😅😂 cause it works lmao.😊 lol
I always thought the 602C was the most rare bedrock, or do you think the 602c is just more valuable because of the #2 size collectability as you mentioned previous in the video?
That’s a very fair question and I appreciate you bringing it up. Per Pat Leach on B&G, the 602c was made from 1898-1918 so a bit longer than the 605 1/4 in terms of production years.
www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan15.htm
Mr. Leach goes on to say that the 605 1/4 is the scarcest of all the bedrocks (see link). Apparently they were mostly used in schools for shop class.
Union guy here, most X-planes are uncommon, with the X5 being probably the most common of them. The X0(#1 size) and X2 being rare. There are scarce sizes, meaning i might see one for sale in a year, but otherwise uncommon suits them. Currently there is an increase in demand for them that pushes the price up.
I figured that might be the case. I just so rarely see them. Guess maybe the folks that have em are holding on to em instead of putting them up for sale
Amazing Brazing! LOL!
Some of the best I’ve ever seen! 🥴😅
Dang, that little 605 1/4 is sweet!
Ain’t it though?! Too bad about the little chip on the mouth but hey, they’re pretty scarce. Some might even say “rare” 😂
@justplanefun I think I know a few that would say "rare" 🧐😁
Love my 605 1/4, I feel so fortunate in having found one. I'm work mostly on smaller scale stuff and it's my most-used plane.
Hi. Thank you for this very interesting Video.
Did you ever come across a Stanley 101 1/2 with a squirrel Tail? I have one in my collection. It seems to be absolutely genuine, but I can not find any information about this plane. Maybe you know something about it? Thank you in advance.
I’m familiar with the 100 1/2 (the round-sole squirrel tail) and the 101 1/2 (the stub-nose finger plane) but I’m not familiar with a hybrid of the two. I wonder if the one you have it maybe a shop-modified squirrel tail. Feel free to shoot me some pics - jplanefun@gmail.com
@@justplanefun Thank you for your interest. - I just learned that this plane is a "fake". It is a 100 with a cut off nose. The other one is a correct 101 1/2.
Lots of questions about the 10 1/2. I thought mine was complete but didn’t work well. I now realize ( and thought prior to this video) I have the wrong chip breaker and blade.
I have a couple of type 1 chip breakers available but unfortunately I don’t have any of the old style blades at the moment
Awesome! I am interested. I think that my blade will work. Mine has a “s” casting on the body,front adjusting plate and lever cap. Is that significant?
@@kirkliggett9470email me some pics to jplanefun@gmail.com
Does your 10 1/2 have the adjustable mouth like the type 1 shown in the video?
@@justplanefun yes, it does.
I’ve got a 602 C. Stanley Rule and Level on the blade. Any interest?
I doubt you’d have any trouble selling it if you’re serious about letting it go.
Feel free to email me pics - jplanefun@gmail.com
Wire wheel (bench & hand): That's what the professional tool & die guys often would use to clean parts.
I have two 45s and one original box. But the tongues on the cover of the box are broken off. The sticker is in good shape.
I HAVE RESTORED GUNS THAT WERE PITTED, IT IS CALED MICRO WELDING. IS THIS POSSIBLE TO REPAIR DAMAGE ON A PLANE WHERE IT IS THIN, LIKE THE MOUTH.
It really depends on the person doing the job. I got a old sears cast iron 4" planer jointer that broke the arm off. He welded it back together but you can see a Crack.
I have a friend in NY who has done some mouth repairs on more valuable planes such as the No62
NEED PARTS FOR A 78, FENCE AND ROD, DEPT GUAGE ABD BOLT, HATE HAVING AN INCOMPLET TOOL.
I replied to your email ref: the parts
How much would the 62 with the chip in the mouth go for? What about the 72?
The no72 is spoken for. The no62 with the chipped mouth I think is a good option for being patted out. We can chat about it though. Shoot me a message on FB messenger or email me at jplanefun@gmail.com
How can I talk to you I have some rare parts for a stanley 45
You can email me at jplanefun@gmail.com
Another expert video, MJ! Hey, a question: When you say “wire wheel”, what are you referring to (meaning, what is best for this application)? Steel? Brass? Fine, or coarse? And what is the deal with “brass-coated steel” wheels? Are they just “fake” brass, or do they serve a niche purpose? Thanks, Chuck L, Patreon member.
The rule of thumb is of course the least abrasive / most gentle approach required to remove the grime, rust, etc. I use a brass coated wire wheel on a variable speed Delta grinder. I’m not 100% certain but I think the brass coated ones are cheaper to produce and they seem to hold together better than the ones with solid brass wires (I’ve tried both and the brass ones shed pretty bad)
Equally important though is how you employ the wheel. Some folks seem to lean into it too much / press too hard which tends to be too abrasive in my experience. Just a light press against the wire wheel will often do the trick though it may take longer.
@ thanks, great advice.
Personal opinion - any Sargent tool is worthy of restoration. I have 1. I also have Bailey, Pope, Record, Stanley, Turner, Footprint, Carter, Falcon. Gawd - I also have some German planes and possibly a Marples.
I have a local friend who’s going full Pokémon on the Sargents - he’s gotta catch em all. He may be the next custodian for this little 708
Have both the #45 Type 4 and the type 20....
Very nice. I’m planning to do a No45 type study video at some point - just haven’t made time to get it together yet
how much for the 72?
I believe it’s already spoken for but i can let yall know if The Professor passes on it
@@justplanefun Thanks
602C would be in rare category I assume.
100% - They were made for just a bit longer and also spanned the gap between the round side and flat side Bedrocks. As you know, the 605 1/4 was only made as a flat side.
Pat Leach has a blurb in B&G on them of course - he prefers “scarce” vs. rare though when describing any of these hard to find Bedrocks
Do you buy tools? 😅 i got a 55
I’ve been known to buy some tools from time to time.
I MET A MAN THAT WORKED FOR STANLY, HE CALLED THE GROVES IN A PLANE AS PITCH GROVES, AND JIM SAID IT WAS A SALES GIMIC. WORKING WITH WOOD WITH PITCH IT WAS A PLACE FOR IT TO GO, KEEPING THE PLANE ON THE WOOD, IT WAS NOT FOR MAKING THE TOOL LIGHTER.
I’ve heard it said about it being a sales gimmick too. But I also know folks who swear by a corrugated sole for pitchy wood too
If you aren't going to keep the damaged No 62 body, please let me know.
We can definitely chat. I think I have another defunct 62 sole upstairs
@@justplanefun awesome!
Is there anything that is just plane extinct?
That’s a good question. If I’m understanding correctly, you’re asking if there are any planes we know once existed but are now gone completely.
My answer is - I don’t know. I’ve heard tale of some planes that there are only a handful in existence (Chaplin No1) and then there are prototypes that were lost when the patent office / warehouse where they kept examples of each new patent burned to the ground. Even in that instance, they salvaged what they could from the burned remains of the building.
I bet Michael K of Michael K Woodworks can fashion you a perfect replacement chamfer plane tote
I’ve done some work with him in the past. He’s a very good dude.
Dave Corinth is very talented tote / knob maker as well
@justplanefun Dave Corinth does awesome work. I watched him make those replacement totes and knobs and was amazed at how original they looked. I really enjoy watching his and your videos. I learn a ton about buying planes and have made myself a very nice user collection. I've even started making a 101 like dave does with the tote and knob.
My 605¼ has a stinking hang hole, so it ain't perfect either.
They’re really neat planes. I like having this one around but it looks like I’ll be sending it off to Michigan.