Why Reservation ......Instead of giving reservation provide them free coaching and personality development programs. ... Reservations is just sucking our country's growth ... our mentality is still backward
Exactly.. Not every socially bkwd is poor or unaffordable to apy laks for getting into a training pgmme by private institutions.. And not every general candidate can afford for a good coaching.. So leave the idea of reservation altogether and improve skills.. Also conduct exams fairly
Your idea seems right but our country cannot afford such huge expenditure. Also free coaching means govt has to interfere, leading to lesser revenue for these coaching institutes and finally destruction of free economy concept. Although reservation is again against a free economy, but in the present scenario it seems right, but should have a stringent sunset clause.
I am fed up of such kinds of reservations..... 50% total reservations already existed for SC,ST'S,OBC AND Reserved ones.This was not enough and there is again 10% reservation.... I mean why so must injustice towards medium class general cateogories..... AT LEAST WHY NO ONE IS THINKING OF NATIONAL INTEREST.... IT'S IN THE FAVOUR OF NATIONAL INTEREST THAT MORE QUALIFIED AND SKILLFUL PERSONS CAN GET THE DESIRED POSTS AND SEATS EVERYWHERE.... THESE POLITICIANS NEED GENERAL CATEOGORY DOCTORS,ENGINEERS AND SKILLFUL SERVICEMEN FOR THEIR USE BUT ARE NUMBER ONE IN GIVING RESERVATIONS FOR POLITICAL INTERESTS......I MEANS ITS A SELFISH WIN WIN SITUATION FOR POLITICIANS.....
Didn't you hear Mr Tondon ? He clearly mentioned SC , STs and obc consist of 70% of population but the reservation is just 50%... the rest of 50% are clearly 'reserved' for general people, but that's the case only when you see it that way... Secondly, 10% reservation covers 95% of the population !! Still 40% remains, that being said, there's no provision like that those who've applied for the cap of 10% quota won't be able to get a seat outside of it!! It simply means, 30% of population is ruling 50% of seats!!! You know what it means, means that there should be 70% reservation for SC ST and OBCs... That's how there can be fair play...!!!
J. Sai Deepak. I get happy and hopeful whenever I see him in the panel. When he spoke he laid down the whole case clearly on table for everyone to see. Such articulation, clarity and reason.
now few businessmen will show wrong accounts and get benefitted as there was more informal sector .... it is hard to categorise and justify the criteria
"while historical injustice can form the basis for affirmative actions on the basis of caste based prejudice or social parameters as well, time has come for the court, executive of the government to start thinking of other reasons for backwardness including economic backwardness because the goal of reservation is to address the distress community"
who told you so ? If you dont know,there are ministers in the cabinet from minority groups as well. Without reservation. And the man who wrote the constitution? (a dalit as well). Well, you should first read how PM and prezi are elected.
Noted Advocate Nani Palkiwala said during the Indira Sawney judgement, that it will cement castism in India. Now this will cement classism in India. Reservation of caste seems to have no sun set clause. Now this will go down the same road.
The conditions of sc/st is still deplorable.Only minimal percentage of its population raised upto the benchmark kept for EWS reservation.All things are political gimmick to woo the uppercaste voters in the backdrop of NDA-1 failures in runnings the government in every front.🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Should have given 40% to economically backward people as they know the ground realities. Anyways who cares about efficiency of the institution. P.S: time to leave India
how is that even remotely practical???? rich becomes poor and poor becomes rich in a matter of time and dont forget india is not a country of 100 people it is a nation of 120 crore....so within 1-2 years rich will get reservation jus like now
It's disgusting. Those who were for meritocracy are asking for reservations. And in our country 30% people live below poverty line and can barely earn 3000 INR per month but people with 65000 INR per month are considered poor. Pathetic!
@@SUNILPATEL-sr3kv The unreserved people are minority. OBC is large people satisfied with atleast some reservations and now 10% poor of EWS., The worst affected will be salaried class. No one will bother who Are less value to them in electoral politics😂!
It's a welcome step for those who are economically not empowered ...but There is need of more debate and discussion in the country before implementation.
where does reservation solves the issue of financial backwardness. Imagine a situation where a student who is financially backward and he clears an examination and goes in a wonderful univrsity, now how does he pays the fees at a time where government is busy privatising things and giving huge autonomy to government universities.
Give 100% reservation or completely scrap the reservation system. It really sucks. It is used to appease certain section people for vote bank. Go for full or null.
Special Thanks to Mr. Sai Deepak, you are awesome. I guess there won't be any significant change in Competition level because >95 % people are falling under eligibility criteria, rather it would just make the 10% unreserved seats unavailable for depressed classes( SC, ST, OBC, and others) who used to clear General list. But definitely its going to pave a way for economic considerations as far as Reservations are concerned.
Remove caste reservation ......It won't make India grow...Unskilled people will be chosen as per caste reservation...Prefer merit and talent first...Give 20 % reservation to who is talented,skillfull and economically poor so Efficiency will be created in govt jobs and talented,poor people get chance to grow
The property cost can be high, that cannot fetch monthly income or raise standard of living or provide jobs or education merit seats. A home below 1000sqft in bangalore is not going to fetch a large amount
why govt. being so cruel..? how will so much people will compete for so much less seats..? this is a big blow... govt has divided the general category into two groups.. now no one will ever oppose reservations.. and no one will try to abolish it ever in future... this is cruelty... there would had been no issue, had it been between below 50%... but it is black day for us...:(
Mister, more than 90% Indians have been covered under the bill. I like this bill but need to pass before the june 2019 so I seek reservation . If you don't like this bill than tell the government that they need to build schools just like IIT for the poor. The children of rich born with silver spoon that is why they get top class education. Now time has come for the poor to stick together. Give us level playing field before college then we support for the end of all reservation.
@@ashuu3 you want reservation at school level, then at college level, then in jobs, then in promotion in jobs, then for seniority in job... What the hell you want ? No, everyone aren't born with silver spoon, their parents do hardwork... And what about other 40% ? How they'll survive in so much tough competition ?? You are so ignorant. And mark my words... No power on earth will be able to remove quota/ reservation system, once it'll get implemented. And i think you might be having that much common-sense....
@@ashuu3 level playing field at schools, then at college.. what after that..? Even at colleges, even at promotions..?? You are sick. Get well soon. Don't play the victim card of not having level playing field.
@@sushainupadhyay4192 People earning 8 lac and more can obtain their college degree from private university or foreign ; not those whose parents earning 1-3 lac. I only want affirmative action benefit at school level not university level never for jobs as it would be recipe for disaster as only smart and hard working deserve jobs and admission at college. If no reservation then there should not be any funding to any universities, public and private school as it would only benefit in large part to the rich and the upper middle class, period. Level playing only at school level from K to 12.
Good discussion. I still have some doubts. There is no exclusive state lists for general category castes in many states. If an economically weaker candidate of general category wants to apply for a job under state public service commission what is the requirements he/she has to qualify.
The current legislation is for the reservation in central services and educational institutions. So the some criteria won't be applicable to the states, for state services and educational institutions one will have to go through as to what states may specify.
It's all about MODIS MIND of politics. I personally don't think this is going to be executed. Reservation giving on the economic concentration cannot be given. Reservation was given to make free from the burden too which the lower caste people are faicing but that is not even cleared. Why don't you cancel all the caste. Why there is a caste if we neglect the caste half the problems could be resolved.
We asked them to remove reservation, they came up with a new one. I found the 8 lakh rupee threshold a big mistake, it must be around 4 or 5 lakhs so that the real needy can be benefitted. NO HARD FEELINGS. #PEACE
Being a student I am follower of big picture . . I have noticed Sai derpak is an excellent speaker but sir is very extreme in his thoughts which is a harm to student's exam think point of view . . Kindly take it into consideration @rajya sabha TV . . We need ppl on deck who are balanced in their opinion
Leftist? Dude he was the one to argue against women's entry in the Sabrimala case!! Refer to his other interviews/videos..He is more of a rightist I suppose.
Happiness Reloaded Bro RSTV bas UPSC students k liye nahi h and BTW He is the by far the best panelist we’ve got till date on BIG PICTURE.Hope you follow more debates from now on!
@@shraddhasrivastava1198 I don't think you can quantify him to either left or right, like all sensible people he appears a centrist to me. Whatever might be the case he can walk his talk.
Reservation must be Given to the Financially Weaker Sections and not the Cast Based section... this is the GOOD reservation,, Today we have BAD Reservation.. also change the Economic Policy so that, the Education system in Bharat will be Free of Cost.. that will be the Foundation way to scrap out BAD RESERVATION and make Bharat an Atma Nirbhar and Prosper Civilisation..
Rather than giving reservations to the LGBTQ, (more for) women n disabled, we’re providing more for the people who haven’t faced much discrimination. I don’t see reservations stopping here. We should start voting for people who want to scrap reservations.
Hi to all... I am juz luking fr an answer ....how come a person whose anuall income is 8lakh rs or less than 8 lakh (tht means more than 60k per month) is economically backwrd.....60 k per month is a great amount I think....
@@rambhakt2626 OK I didn't know about that... But don't you think so tht criteria should be changed..... Means a person who is earning 50k or 60k can easily survive...
@@rambhakt2626 8 lakhs criteria for OBC creamy layer, or for any community for that matter, is to exclude people who are well off within an social backward community. The current one is to include people from general category which doesn't have suffered from social backwardness. There is a difference between these two and cannot be equated.
The only problem faced by children of socially advanced castes who are genuinely economically backward is that they are not able to afford education to the fullest level. This problem can be solved by having a scheme of scholarships and education loans so that it can support the economically backwards classes.
Panelists kept on repeating how this bill has got unanimous support across political and national spectrum yet not a single comment lauding this move of govt! Strange!
Whenever Sai speaks, I slowdown the video to normal.😅
I also
same here
Me too
Me 2
How 2 do it. I mean is it option only for PC or for mobile also coz m using mob
J sai Deepak
ur the future CJI
One day I see u there 😊👍
Nahi hoga
Advocate J sai Deepak is an excellent speaker and treasure of knowledge 👍
J. sai deepak you are awesome 👏✊👍
If 8L /year is criteria for poverty ,then i think India's poverty line should be changed
this reservation is not for poor but for middle class....hope you heard Mr Tandon.
Anandarup Guin then rename it to economically middle section not economically weaker section
You were ahead of time!!!
J.Sai Deepak conveys in a great manner.
Now talent and merit left with 40 seats to Compete.
Yes no value for merit in front of this idiots politicians
Yeah
@raj wants never ends but is constitution allows them?
Why Reservation ......Instead of giving reservation provide them free coaching and personality development programs. ... Reservations is just sucking our country's growth ... our mentality is still backward
Exactly.. Not every socially bkwd is poor or unaffordable to apy laks for getting into a training pgmme by private institutions.. And not every general candidate can afford for a good coaching.. So leave the idea of reservation altogether and improve skills.. Also conduct exams fairly
It's a shame we are giving reservations after 70 years....we need universal education.
Your idea seems right but our country cannot afford such huge expenditure. Also free coaching means govt has to interfere, leading to lesser revenue for these coaching institutes and finally destruction of free economy concept.
Although reservation is again against a free economy, but in the present scenario it seems right, but should have a stringent sunset clause.
Simply we indians feel good by doing cheap things..we indians cheap..
Ideal but not practical
J.Sai Deepak sir has immense knowlege
sai deepak....spoke elegantly
J Sai Deepak you are my favourite ❤️
How can Sai Deepak remember such minute intricacies in the laws, what a memory..
You are right
Adv. J. Sai Deepak is Really one of the best panelist ever seen on any RSTV Debate.
I am fed up of such kinds of reservations.....
50% total reservations already existed for SC,ST'S,OBC AND Reserved ones.This was not enough and there is again 10% reservation....
I mean why so must injustice towards medium class general cateogories.....
AT LEAST WHY NO ONE IS THINKING OF NATIONAL INTEREST....
IT'S IN THE FAVOUR OF NATIONAL INTEREST THAT MORE QUALIFIED AND SKILLFUL PERSONS CAN GET THE DESIRED POSTS AND SEATS EVERYWHERE....
THESE POLITICIANS NEED GENERAL CATEOGORY DOCTORS,ENGINEERS AND SKILLFUL SERVICEMEN FOR THEIR USE BUT ARE NUMBER ONE IN GIVING RESERVATIONS FOR POLITICAL INTERESTS......I MEANS ITS A SELFISH WIN WIN SITUATION FOR POLITICIANS.....
It's only for the benefit of political parties not for country..it's a big game behind reservation.
Because they have to win the election and nothing else
IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS.
Didn't you hear Mr Tondon ?
He clearly mentioned SC , STs and obc consist of 70% of population but the reservation is just 50%...
the rest of 50% are clearly 'reserved' for general people, but that's the case only when you see it that way...
Secondly, 10% reservation covers 95% of the population !!
Still 40% remains, that being said, there's no provision like that those who've applied for the cap of 10% quota won't be able to get a seat outside of it!!
It simply means, 30% of population is ruling 50% of seats!!!
You know what it means, means that there should be 70% reservation for SC ST and OBCs... That's how there can be fair play...!!!
it is for MIDDLE CLASS.
Great discussion with wise people
Thanx rajya sabha
Ashok Tandon sir nailed it.
Lots of thanks...to Rajyasabha TV... Special thanks to Mr. Pereira
THANK YOU
Very informative and useful debate. Thanks Rajan and Deepak
J. Sai Deepak. I get happy and hopeful whenever I see him in the panel. When he spoke he laid down the whole case clearly on table for everyone to see. Such articulation, clarity and reason.
Economic? How will you ..When the income is not consistent being 95% informal sector.
businessmen earning lakhs monthly, are good in manipulating figures.. and thus the beneficiaries... black day
As always Mr J Sai Deepak is bang on informative n educative in his assertions. Salutes sir.
now few businessmen will show wrong accounts and get benefitted as there was more informal sector .... it is hard to categorise and justify the criteria
Thanks all panelists and staffs of rstv
By far the best debates I watch on this channel
jail SAI deepak is my favorite speaker
"while historical injustice can form the basis for affirmative actions on the basis of caste based prejudice or social parameters as well, time has come for the court, executive of the government to start thinking of other reasons for backwardness including economic backwardness because the goal of reservation is to address the distress community"
Yes
Such a great panel comprising of all the intellects. It feels so good to watch such debates.
Well and matured level of discussion...
Deepak always rocks
Fantastic debate!
Why they dont have reservation for Cabinet! Why not have reservations for PM as well and President.
who told you so ? If you dont know,there are ministers in the cabinet from minority groups as well. Without reservation. And the man who wrote the constitution? (a dalit as well). Well, you should first read how PM and prezi are elected.
Brave step by administrator
I don't understand why do people unlike this type of episode?
Only tondon sir is making balance between religion and politics
Great video.
i m big fan of mr. frank 😊
Sai sir is really lawyer to comprehend
I feel it's one of the best debate I ever heard ...all points are discussed very precisely and explicitly ...
A very good debate👍
J.Sai Deepak makes discussion colourful in all aspects of the topic.Very nice 😃
Who else is here only for Sai Deepak?
Noted Advocate Nani Palkiwala said during the Indira Sawney judgement, that it will cement castism in India. Now this will cement classism in India. Reservation of caste seems to have no sun set clause. Now this will go down the same road.
Wonderful debate Frank...
Keep going...
Luv RSTV♥️
It’s a welcome move by the government.
Saideepak, Done n dusted!
Best productive debate in the dawn of the new year.
I will appreciate the bill .this is what we are waiting since long ago.
J Sai Deepak.....Jay Maharashtra
Thank you Ashok Tandon Sir. For supporting Reservation for ST,SC and OBC .
Eliminate reservation
Let talented people come to the main stream
J sai deepak👌👌
SIR Sai Deepak YOUR INFORMATION VERY HELP US AND WE WILL SEE YOUR BECOME CJI OF INDIA
Well said sir! The whole reservation should be on economy basis not on caste basis
I love listening English debates.i hope it'd help me to improve my English 🙃😉
the concluding remarks of j sai deepak :)
The conditions of sc/st is still deplorable.Only minimal percentage of its population raised upto the benchmark kept for EWS reservation.All things are political gimmick to woo the uppercaste voters in the backdrop of NDA-1 failures in runnings the government in every front.🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
J sai Deepak real jame of person
J saaideepak a person wid tremendous knowledge.
Remove caste remove reservation
Should have given 40% to economically backward people as they know the ground realities. Anyways who cares about efficiency of the institution.
P.S: time to leave India
how is that even remotely practical???? rich becomes poor and poor becomes rich in a matter of time and dont forget india is not a country of 100 people it is a nation of 120 crore....so within 1-2 years rich will get reservation jus like now
👌nice debate
It's disgusting. Those who were for meritocracy are asking for reservations. And in our country 30% people live below poverty line and can barely earn 3000 INR per month but people with 65000 INR per month are considered poor. Pathetic!
Which country has easy immigration possible from India?
Please give information!
Pakistan
Canada
Yepp, thats the only solution, Its that bad but everybody is thinking about themselves. Nobody is thinking about removing reservation.
@@SUNILPATEL-sr3kv The unreserved people are minority. OBC is large people satisfied with atleast some reservations and now 10% poor of EWS.,
The worst affected will be salaried class.
No one will bother who Are less value to them in electoral politics😂!
he said that the price of a plot is higher in the urban area than rural area but the cost of living is also higher in the urban area
dirty politics, it is a cancer
It's a welcome step for those who are economically not empowered ...but There is need of more debate and discussion in the country before implementation.
Why aren't they demanding reservations in the Armed Forces?
Why aren't they protesting for it?
where does reservation solves the issue of financial backwardness. Imagine a situation where a student who is financially backward and he clears an examination and goes in a wonderful univrsity, now how does he pays the fees at a time where government is busy privatising things and giving huge autonomy to government universities.
Give 100% reservation or completely scrap the reservation system. It really sucks. It is used to appease certain section people for vote bank. Go for full or null.
No need of states ratification since there is no amendments on the federal provisions,only special majority is needed to amend the fundamental rights
Special Thanks to Mr. Sai Deepak, you are awesome.
I guess there won't be any significant change in Competition level because >95 % people are falling under eligibility criteria, rather it would just make the 10% unreserved seats unavailable for depressed classes( SC, ST, OBC, and others) who used to clear General list. But definitely its going to pave a way for economic considerations as far as Reservations are concerned.
But isn't EWS open for all categories?
I think there should have been a panelist who strongly opposed this legislation to grab both the sides of the argument
So question of merit, effieciency in service etc is no more.
who earn 8 lakh is Poor.Hypocrite!!!
Irrespective of caste economically backwards are also socially backward.
Remove caste reservation ......It won't make India grow...Unskilled people will be chosen as per caste reservation...Prefer merit and talent first...Give 20 % reservation to who is talented,skillfull and economically poor so Efficiency will be created in govt jobs and talented,poor people get chance to grow
The property cost can be high, that cannot fetch monthly income or raise standard of living or provide jobs or education merit seats. A home below 1000sqft in bangalore is not going to fetch a large amount
why govt. being so cruel..? how will so much people will compete for so much less seats..? this is a big blow... govt has divided the general category into two groups.. now no one will ever oppose reservations.. and no one will try to abolish it ever in future... this is cruelty... there would had been no issue, had it been between below 50%... but it is black day for us...:(
Mister, more than 90% Indians have been covered under the bill. I like this bill but need to pass before the june 2019 so I seek reservation . If you don't like this bill than tell the government that they need to build schools just like IIT for the poor. The children of rich born with silver spoon that is why they get top class education. Now time has come for the poor to stick together. Give us level playing field before college then we support for the end of all reservation.
@@ashuu3 you want reservation at school level, then at college level, then in jobs, then in promotion in jobs, then for seniority in job... What the hell you want ?
No, everyone aren't born with silver spoon, their parents do hardwork...
And what about other 40% ?
How they'll survive in so much tough competition ??
You are so ignorant.
And mark my words... No power on earth will be able to remove quota/ reservation system, once it'll get implemented. And i think you might be having that much common-sense....
@@ashuu3 level playing field at schools, then at college.. what after that..? Even at colleges, even at promotions..?? You are sick. Get well soon. Don't play the victim card of not having level playing field.
@@sushainupadhyay4192 very well said
@@sushainupadhyay4192 People earning 8 lac and more can obtain their college degree from private university or foreign ; not those whose parents earning 1-3 lac. I only want affirmative action benefit at school level not university level never for jobs as it would be recipe for disaster as only smart and hard working deserve jobs and admission at college. If no reservation then there should not be any funding to any universities, public and private school as it would only benefit in large part to the rich and the upper middle class, period. Level playing only at school level from K to 12.
Ab general wale kaise kahenege ki reservation hatao 😂😂😂😂😂
Ab general me bhi category Ho Jayega upper general middle general lower general 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Politicians are so cruel that they created divisions in general category, there will never be unity.
Good discussion. I still have some doubts. There is no exclusive state lists for general category castes in many states. If an economically weaker candidate of general category wants to apply for a job under state public service commission what is the requirements he/she has to qualify.
The current legislation is for the reservation in central services and educational institutions. So the some criteria won't be applicable to the states, for state services and educational institutions one will have to go through as to what states may specify.
Its a decent 50 !
I think there are alot of complications and this is going to increase the competition very much
This will not change competition at all..it just help poor general a bit..
It's all about MODIS MIND of politics. I personally don't think this is going to be executed. Reservation giving on the economic concentration cannot be given. Reservation was given to make free from the burden too which the lower caste people are faicing but that is not even cleared. Why don't you cancel all the caste. Why there is a caste if we neglect the caste half the problems could be resolved.
We asked them to remove reservation, they came up with a new one.
I found the 8 lakh rupee threshold a big mistake, it must be around 4 or 5 lakhs so that the real needy can be benefitted.
NO HARD FEELINGS. #PEACE
Being a student I am follower of big picture . . I have noticed Sai derpak is an excellent speaker but sir is very extreme in his thoughts which is a harm to student's exam think point of view . . Kindly take it into consideration @rajya sabha TV . . We need ppl on deck who are balanced in their opinion
Leftist? Dude he was the one to argue against women's entry in the Sabrimala case!! Refer to his other interviews/videos..He is more of a rightist I suppose.
Leftist ??? Ha ha you are living in parallel world 😂😂😂😂
Happiness Reloaded Bro RSTV bas UPSC students k liye nahi h and BTW He is the by far the best panelist we’ve got till date on BIG PICTURE.Hope you follow more debates from now on!
Just shut up bro
@@shraddhasrivastava1198 I don't think you can quantify him to either left or right, like all sensible people he appears a centrist to me. Whatever might be the case he can walk his talk.
In India we need deserve people rather than on reserved people
Why is Frank going all beared?
Reservation must be Given to the Financially Weaker Sections and not the Cast Based section...
this is the GOOD reservation,,
Today we have BAD Reservation..
also change the Economic Policy so that, the Education system in Bharat will be Free of Cost..
that will be the Foundation way to scrap out BAD RESERVATION and make Bharat an Atma Nirbhar and Prosper Civilisation..
Rather than giving reservations to the LGBTQ, (more for) women n disabled, we’re providing more for the people who haven’t faced much discrimination. I don’t see reservations stopping here. We should start voting for people who want to scrap reservations.
Hi to all... I am juz luking fr an answer ....how come a person whose anuall income is 8lakh rs or less than 8 lakh (tht means more than 60k per month) is economically backwrd.....60 k per month is a great amount I think....
Sanu Das this is the cutoff for non creamy layer in obc also
@@rambhakt2626 OK I didn't know about that... But don't you think so tht criteria should be changed..... Means a person who is earning 50k or 60k can easily survive...
Simply Party want to include more or more people and hence it is a political move
@@AmitThakur-dy3pg nice observation
@@rambhakt2626 8 lakhs criteria for OBC creamy layer, or for any community for that matter, is to exclude people who are well off within an social backward community. The current one is to include people from general category which doesn't have suffered from social backwardness. There is a difference between these two and cannot be equated.
Disappointed with RStv for a biased debate.
I saw it today thinking it's happening again 😂😂
Actually it's Non sense, as every form of reservation must be abolished.
The only problem faced by children of socially advanced castes who are genuinely economically backward is that they are not able to afford education to the fullest level. This problem can be solved by having a scheme of scholarships and education loans so that it can support the economically backwards classes.
Panelists kept on repeating how this bill has got unanimous support across political and national spectrum yet not a single comment lauding this move of govt!
Strange!
A different panel with more diversity in views would have created better discussion.
👌👌
Education and health is needed for all not lollipop of reservation. These two most important things are totally ignored in public debate.
I have lost trust on the state ,this nation works on reservations and nepotism! I am alienated and going to join JeM if this is passed!!
After giving reservation in education, I don't think there is any need to give reservation in jobs to the economically weaker section