Yamcha: The loser character Krillin: The dying character Bulma: The loud character Chi-chi: The louder character Tenshinhan: The useful even in saiyans era character Fortuneteller Baba: The wireless TV character Puerh/Oolong: The changing characters
Probably... as a mentor, but remember, nobody calls him "sensei" and I think that's beacause he is not supposed to be that, he is supposed to be an attendant.
@@Malthizar idk but he did take his symbol for the rest of z, he had weiss's but he reverted back after revival of f so I would say that is him saying he has a preference for master roshi and king Kai as his teachers and Weiss as more of a trainer/manager
I agree. Whis feels more like what Beerus should be. He's like an antagonistic force that isn't necessarily a bad guy. He shows up and encourages the Z Fighters to grow and become stronger and participate in the events that transpire. And unlike Beerus we haven't seen him play his hand yet, so even though his bubbly personality comes off as really charming there's this underlying mystique that's makes him intersting solely for the reason that we don't know if he is a Villain or not.
Toriyama is known to write conveniences inside his stories. But Whis created something that's even more convenient than capsules: Miraculous childbirth.
@wantsuckle and yet according to multiple characters gohan has the ability to bc the strongest person in the universe that includes being stronger than beerus and whis.
@@Baron_Wurst okay but. Raditz could absolutely have annihilated them. And gohan literally left him breathless with a headbutt. Gohan was far stronger than goku was at his age. Just with none of the attitude and willingness to use it as the drawback
Whis is a great addition to the verse because he really contrasts with Beerus, an aggressive, hot-headed character, while Whis is a chill, calm and intelligent character But they both love food
I still think Roshi was a good mentor for Goku He fought him in the tournament not to change him , but to make sure he doesn’t change , to never stop improving
This can't be a controversial opinion, he is the best one by far, followed by Kami, King Kai and Whis in last place If we include Meros, he is imo better than King Kai
In all honesty he is fine I don’t see anything wrong with him. I love how calm and pragmatic he was and how he influenced the main cast. And in all honesty that is all he needs to do to play a part in the story
@@dominickperez2952 well but this could be atributed to the shot sigthed nature of super arcs, the event of the story dint toke in consideration goku and vageta arcs, wis himself only showed problematic in the last arc when they used his caracther as just a tool to convenience
You're doing as the video said, judging him by his personality and not as his effectiveness as a mentor. I don't think this video really put the impact Goku's mentors had on him into view either.
@@gcDaydays None of his mentors taught him anything besides literal lessons in martial arts, mathematics, and Ki. The only mentor we know that changed his views and life was Grandpa Gohan, who only appears in the beginning of DB in flashbacks and once in the afterlife. Master Roshi taught Goku math and Japanese and how to fight but never taught him a life lesson or changed the "lie" he believed in. Same with Kami, except we don't really see that. None of his mentors really make him develop as a person. Though that doesn't mean they aren't important to Goku.
Whis being a mentor never crossed my mind honestly. I saw him as funny comic relief troll with funny voice acting, and cool yet playful demeanor. There’s something else about him I like but honestly? I can’t put my finger on it, he’s one of my favorite additions to DBZ.
I really love this series, it's what got me to realize I love film as much as I do and that film studies, not engineering, was the path for me. I just want you to keep up the good work, and know that you inspired someone to follow their hobby.
He makes Bulma give birth instantly, rewinds time, magically puts an oven mitt on Zamasu's hand, yeah Whis just kinda does what he wants with physics at this point
I wouldn't call that reality warping. The shit janemba did was reality warping. What whis did was probably just matter manipulation. He didnt really mess with reality itself
I'm going to agree with the others here saying he's more of an "Attendant" type of entity; yes, he CAN teach, mostly to those who are already above everyone else about things Mortals simply couldn't know about by themselves, but most of what he does is simply monitoring and watching. You seem to forget that the Angels, while full of personality, are absolutely remorseless and lack any real morals other than doing what they think they should do at the time . . . which typically amounts to whatever seems amusing. They are not meant to do anything specific, nor do they have any clearly-defined rules or parameters. Zeno created them as Neutral all-encompassing forces simply meant to observe the Universes and give certain individuals in each of them the tools to use to either make the Universe better or worse without any real personal input on the part of the Angel's themselves.
I feel like Vegeta's growth comes from meeting and mentoring Cabba. Something about seeing a sayan race not bound by pride but honor I think clicked with him. Sometimes the best way to learn is to teach others.
0:29 whis gets 79% positive votes and mark calls it overwhelming support. in the beerus video he gets 71% votes and mark still says he's not a fn favorite. lol
I agree with you. But to be fair, he doesn't have much leeway if someone hasn't seen this series before. You can argue he put some kind of link to the other videos but that still wouldn't stop him from mentioning it.
I mean, I get that dbz is very arch so Creating Character Arcs is a good foundational text for analysis, but his viewers know by now, he should just throw it in more casually with a footnote citing the source (like most more academic video essays on TH-cam) in the corner or something instead of giving this simple concept the whole “source cited” song and dance each time.
Whenever a character of anime comes to discussion I usually talk about their power and skill never as what they usually are as a person in fiction like how TotallyNotMark explains...
I get very much on why you say that because based on what we see he doesn't really do much unless beerus tell him to do something but wiese is very capable of doing what he has to do he is strong he took beerus down one neck chop
Probably because the same people like them. They are also a power couple. They would both be pretty beige without the other.I can't see someone liking one but not the other. I myself find them as dull as the other. Not bad character...just predictable and dull.
Most of what you say is so true and most of that I knew and liked someone else with a public voice actually mention it but sometimes I hear you say things that make me look deeper into DB related things and I usually agree but whether I do or dont love how you make me look deeper into it and make me learn more from it which is one of many reasons why I love your videos and live watching them multiple times, thank you mark 👍
Mark: *Talks about Whis(an angel)* Also Mark: * Plays the theme of the soul-killing, mountain-destroying, demon-esque character known as Akuma(literally translates to Demon, or Devil, can't remember which).
Dragon ball franchise: *is an acceptable, fun entry level anime for people who are potentially not anime fans* This guy: *im about to ruin this career's whole career*
One thing I didn't like about Whis was the fact that Whis has always been pushing Goku to calm his mind completely even though he is a saiyan, and now all of a sudden he scolds Goku for trying to be like the Angles and find his own ultra instinct EVEN THOUGH THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT WHIS HAS BEEN TEACHING GOKU. But I feel like Whis didn't really understand and accept saiyan nature until the granola arc. And I'm perfectly fine with that. But I just wish we would see some development with Whis to show his realization on how he was wrong about Goku and Vegeta. But now that I think about it, it is beneficial to have two different mind sets, the mind set of an angel and a saiyan. And I'd like to point out a real good point Vegeta made about how he should remain relaxed and only have his power level raised when he is attacking so the opponent doesn't know what to expect and to conserve energy. That's why Vegeta meditated, to have a relaxed mindset. Jiren can do it instinctively while Vegeta is a Saiyan so it woukd be hard for him to master. But then again, in Ressurection of Frieza whis said that Goku needs to be less calm but then proceeds to switch up his attitude when he sees Goku use ultra instinct. So what I think Whis should teach is that to have different mindsets but not forget or let go of their original ones. Which is where true ultra instinct and Ultra ego plays a part.
This actually was something I ruminated on some months ago. Whis seems like the kind of mentor that would actually help to develop and strengthen Goku both physically and mentally. Show him a new or better outlook at life while simultaneously giving him the kind of power needed to fight against new threats, all shown not through just a new form but a different fighting style. And yet all we got was a Goku that stagnated and got worse over time and the scale of the fights he's in or how they're put together have not changed one bit from the level displayed in Z. It's even worse given that despite being granted divine powers, he is consistently humbled by people who don't have or even need those same powers, making Goku a lot smaller and weaker than most people usually try to perceive him. It's as if either Goku's learned nothing from him due to Whis' method of training or Goku is simply incapable of learning anything out of his comfort zone
Whis was an intelligent character that offered comedic relief to normally tense situations. He also provides the audience with how all the universes work and each deities role in it
Great episode. Looking forward to you digging deeper. I agree with you about him being a likeable character, and the fact that he was never brought in to change Goku. There has been no tension in the storyline and even in the dialogue, for them to grow.
OUTSTANDING video and analysis. I've never thought of it that way and I would LOVE a story arc of Goku unknowingly accepting the Lie instead of trying to learn the truth.
Vegeta's growth doesn't suddenly happen. There is a big deal put on Vegeta forcing himself to try and relax and getting pummeled for it during the tournament of power. He is forced to realize that it isn't just being relaxed but letting his emotional stress of catching Goku relax that will enable him to develop further. Vegeta takes the advice seriously and you see multiple times throughout the ToP arc where he is inteltionally following Whis's advice.
This misconception, ESPECIALLY when anime freaks speak about their anime, of every character needing to have some huge effect, be extremely important and have the deepest character development in history is just dumb. Whis is a great supportive character and even better comic relief. That's it. Sweet christ
It's actually kinda weird how he tries to talk about how Whis needs to have this huge effect and super deep on the series, but chastised the anime's version of History of Trunks for showing too much story or some nonsense like that.
Devon M If every character forced frantic change and development it would be impossible to follow as every character would have so many branches of development taking place at once
The more i watch this series, the more i realize this series is amazing, but far from the best, and that most manga series today have taken lessons from the show, and improved on it 10 fold
DBS: I don't feel nostalgic for it, therefore its flawed. All of this guy's videos boil down to him complaining that Toriyama is trying to mix up the formula of Dragon Ball instead of adhering to the same rigid archetypes and themes we've seen a thousand times before in past series and other media. The irony is that a number of his complaints can be applied to number of DBZ characters he praises in other videos - but he is subconsciously willing to overlook that because of nostalgia. What makes Dragon Ball unique is precisely Toriyama's willingness to try new things and turn existing tropes on their head. When you take that experimentation out and adhere solely to traditional ideas about story telling, you end up with mediocre works...like GT. Is DBS perfect? Nope. But when your polls consistently show that the characters you're complaining about are loved by the fanbase, that shows that something is going right. The fact that Whis isn't a textbook example of what makes a "good" mentor like say, Kami, isn't a sign that he is flawed. In fact I'd bet dollars to pesos that in 10 years, people will think more highly of Whis than Kami precisely because Whis' is character is more complex than some generic mentor figure. That is what Totally Not Mark misses when he complains that Whis isn't delivering the "desired utility and optimal effect a mentor should have": Whis is supposed to be more than a generic mentor in DBS. Whis plays a number of roles, perhaps most importantly serving as an embodiment of what makes the Angels and their motivations both mysterious and ominous. Whis' disinterested and generic training is not an oversight, its deliberate - it is supposed to distinguish him from Goku's past mentors and make us question what his motivations are and if he actually cares about the Saiyans. But rather than considering what role Whis plays **beyond** being a mentor, Totally Not Mark arbitrarily decides that the utility Toriyama is trying to get from the character solely to creator a mentor for the Saiyans thereby imaging "flaws" due to his own narrow focus. Is Whis' execution perfect? Not by a long shot. Are all the stories he appears in masterpieces? No way. But to suggest he is "defective" when compared to characters like Kami, who was easily discarded and forgettable, is a laughable idea that only sits well with views because most of them grew up watching DBZ.
Darkjonny79 The hell does Tien’s character have worth mentioning? His character arc lasted the span of a few episodes. I doubt that’s enough for a whole video, especially with how simple it is
Great video. My favorite mentor arcs were Goku training under Korin and Mr.Popo. The sacred water just being regular water was an amazing lesson and Korin had so much wisdom to share. As did Mr.Popo in regards to Goku needing to clear his mind. “Mr. Popo, is the strongest in the Universe!” - Kid Goku. English dub.
i actually liked Whis because he's a mentor with nothing at stake. In Z Roshi and King Kai are somewhat "vulnerable" so they are maybe more connected to Goku, but Whis offers a contrast: kind of like he supplies knowledge but no judgement
A mentor, in simplest terms, I would assume, is to help a person or character. They help them in big and small ways. Maybe they help you take down the major forces in your life. Maybe they teach you the move or give you the ideology or even the equipment to improve your life. A mentor nurtures their student, and enrich their life. Roshi was, arguably, the most influential mentor for Goku and Krillin and everyone he taught. Roshi not only strengthened these two major forces, G-Man and Krill Dog, he taught them things, in his overtly perverted ways, but he educated them. And if you think about it, without Roshi, Goku wouldn't have the series's most powerful and famous attack.
Whis is probably my favourite character in Dragon Ball Super (atleast the favourite NEW character). He's funny when nothing too serious is going on, but gets serious when needed.
@@peacethrufiregames7058 yes, he's lazy, but that's not what I thought made him neutral. He's going around destroying planets; that's bad. But it's his job & he does that to "keep balance"; that's good. Both are neutral, but I'd say Whis is more lawful while Beerus is more chaotic
@@MedK001 no dude he doesn’t do his job he destroys planets if they don’t please him his JOB is raising the mortal level which he failed to do as of grand priest and Xenos eyes
@@peacethrufiregames7058 his job is to destroy planets in order to rise the mortal level. The criteria for what gets destroyed is up to him, though. From what I see, he's definitely rising the mortal culinary levels.
@@Burdboy14 still feels like a regression of vegeta's character by forcing a character arc that had already ended to continue, likely due to having no idea how to write goku and vegeta's relationship post buu saga without vegeta being competitive
@@jacobhines5583 So we had one scene in a film which was there for Whis to point out details for plot (and Mark even highlights this). Revival of F didn't really say, "Goku and Vegeta reached Blue from training with Whis" the audience is left to assume that. Mark brings up what a mentor does and in this same video highlights things that Whis doesn't do.
@@Teejturtle except super exists and retcons all of that into multiple episodes of actual training during which blue is attained and super Saiyan God is attained by vegeta
Can you please do an in-depth analysis of Zamasu and Goku Black together and how the design of the two characters blended into two with Goku as the villain face makes it appealing? The video you did on Zamasu was too short and wasn't really in depth. Please explore his character because he is one of my most favourite villains. Thanks for the video BTW!
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I like him. A great addition to Dragon Ball
Just give him shrimp and sushi and you will be fine.
hey what will you do with COPPA got any ideas
Hmmm... I will admit, this video got me thinking. *hits replay button*
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Saibamen: the sacrificial character
Yamcha: The loser character
Krillin: The dying character
Bulma: The loud character
Chi-chi: The louder character
Tenshinhan: The useful even in saiyans era character
Fortuneteller Baba: The wireless TV character
Puerh/Oolong: The changing characters
Launch:... Who??
Korin: The senzuweed growing character
Piccolo: Gohan's Father
Black Man Lord Popo: The all powerful god
I think the angels are more babysitters than mentors
Sums it up
Nat Knutson espies in the case of Whis and Vados with Beerus and Champa. They even have to break up their childish fights
True
True
Whis mentors Goku and vegeta way more than beerus
-"Gohan..."
-"Yes Mr. Piccolo?"
-"You're a good kid."
Another TFS watcher
I don't talk to bastard
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Dbza reference
Probably... as a mentor, but remember, nobody calls him "sensei" and I think that's beacause he is not supposed to be that, he is supposed to be an attendant.
That is fair. Still, did Goku ever call King Kai "sensei"?
@@Malthizar idk but he did take his symbol for the rest of z, he had weiss's but he reverted back after revival of f so I would say that is him saying he has a preference for master roshi and king Kai as his teachers and Weiss as more of a trainer/manager
He’s Beerus’ trainer....
@@rodneyjones1991 technically he is beerus's guardian/mentor
@@FuryousD he also didnt take his symbol willingly
Whis FORCED it on both
He's definitely more effective than Beerus tbh especially since he did something interesting in this months recent chapter
I have a hunch we will see him in action in the next chapter. It would be a great way to end the year.
I agree. Whis feels more like what Beerus should be. He's like an antagonistic force that isn't necessarily a bad guy. He shows up and encourages the Z Fighters to grow and become stronger and participate in the events that transpire. And unlike Beerus we haven't seen him play his hand yet, so even though his bubbly personality comes off as really charming there's this underlying mystique that's makes him intersting solely for the reason that we don't know if he is a Villain or not.
Toriyama is known to write conveniences inside his stories. But Whis created something that's even more convenient than capsules: Miraculous childbirth.
@@zigmus00A whis has that bubbly happy side but I really want to see him serious
they still make it? i stopped watching after the main T O P was done
In Gohan’s defense he was only FOUR years old.
When Goku was 4 he was already beating up Mountain Lions the size of a mini van.
@wantsuckle BUT need i remind you that gohan has the higher potential between the two?
@wantsuckle and yet according to multiple characters gohan has the ability to bc the strongest person in the universe that includes being stronger than beerus and whis.
@@Baron_Wurst goku was 11/12
@@Baron_Wurst okay but. Raditz could absolutely have annihilated them. And gohan literally left him breathless with a headbutt. Gohan was far stronger than goku was at his age. Just with none of the attitude and willingness to use it as the drawback
Whis is a great addition to the verse because he really contrasts with Beerus, an aggressive, hot-headed character, while Whis is a chill, calm and intelligent character
But they both love food
Please tell me why you are everywhere
@@justsomeguywhowatchanime6314
They watch TH-cam
Wtfh are u watching the videos I’m watching 😂
You remove 'intelligent' from that, and it's literally just Goku and Vegeta.
They're both poor additions.
I can’t escape you I watch anime your there I listen to music your there I watch gameplay and your there
I still think Roshi was a good mentor for Goku
He fought him in the tournament not to change him , but to make sure he doesn’t change , to never stop improving
This can't be a controversial opinion, he is the best one by far, followed by Kami, King Kai and Whis in last place
If we include Meros, he is imo better than King Kai
Haven't watched the vid yet but I'm gonna bet that Mark references the same book again, Creating Character Arcs by that woman idk the name of
Crimson Elucidator yea u were right
It's almost half the video lol
Seems like he doesnt read much other books about character writing does he?
@@TheLynnn lmaoooo probably his personal favorite tbh
10,000 zeni for you, good man
In all honesty he is fine I don’t see anything wrong with him. I love how calm and pragmatic he was and how he influenced the main cast. And in all honesty that is all he needs to do to play a part in the story
A jar of pickles I love whis, even when he can be wrong (like in goku black arc), he’s so calm and intelligent you’ll still think he’s right
I think the main point is that he doesn't affect the main cast, or at least not well. He's still an entertaining character regardless
@@dominickperez2952 well but this could be atributed to the shot sigthed nature of super arcs, the event of the story dint toke in consideration goku and vageta arcs, wis himself only showed problematic in the last arc when they used his caracther as just a tool to convenience
You're doing as the video said, judging him by his personality and not as his effectiveness as a mentor. I don't think this video really put the impact Goku's mentors had on him into view either.
@@gcDaydays None of his mentors taught him anything besides literal lessons in martial arts, mathematics, and Ki. The only mentor we know that changed his views and life was Grandpa Gohan, who only appears in the beginning of DB in flashbacks and once in the afterlife. Master Roshi taught Goku math and Japanese and how to fight but never taught him a life lesson or changed the "lie" he believed in. Same with Kami, except we don't really see that. None of his mentors really make him develop as a person. Though that doesn't mean they aren't important to Goku.
Looks like Toyotaro was right. It really is hard to draw Whis' eyes.
Ay wow, ngayon lang ako nakakita ng Pinoy sa comments section ni TottalyNotMark. Nice surprise Ito ah
@@RindouHasRan same hahahaha
@Aaron Burrn same hahahaha
@@odsttrooper3724 same hahahaha
@Aaron Burrn same hahahaha
Whis isn't a good *MENTOR* character
But he is a damn good character
Probably because he is a troll
He Is A Good Mentor Without Him Goku Wouldnt Understand His Way To UI.
Whis looks like he's gonna kill someone in your thumbnail, Mark
hhe totaly nott marc, akctualyy
He made him look creepy
Gave me Hisoka vibes
Whis being a mentor never crossed my mind honestly. I saw him as funny comic relief troll with funny voice acting, and cool yet playful demeanor. There’s something else about him I like but honestly? I can’t put my finger on it, he’s one of my favorite additions to DBZ.
The amount of research this man does just for some quality dbz content deserves mad respect
Still waiting on
Chichi - The beautiful woman who lives in Goku's house
Ah yes, another tsf fan
Lance Atoigue I sure do love Team Star Four
That is what she does
Whis: The Galactic Foodie, The Interstellar Food Cellar, The Pudding Pounding Fondue Fountain.
Lmfao
I really love this series, it's what got me to realize I love film as much as I do and that film studies, not engineering, was the path for me. I just want you to keep up the good work, and know that you inspired someone to follow their hobby.
Chi-Chi: The Unreasonable Character
Does that mean Gohan is unreasonable?
Chi-Chi: The Beautiful Woman Who Lives in Goku’s House
@@jaywardhanraghu4822 i think its more on the whole premise of chichi as a character.
"the Faye of the world isn't as important as gohans studies"
She's just a good mother who worried too much for her son.
0:16 alot of people forgott this reality warping feat Whis casually pulled off.
Odd that's one of the moments I specifically remember about Whis. But I basically discovered DBS around when this scene came out for the Japanese dub.
@@Stiffmiester979 Japanese dub? That doesn't exist. It's the original product.
He makes Bulma give birth instantly, rewinds time, magically puts an oven mitt on Zamasu's hand, yeah Whis just kinda does what he wants with physics at this point
I wouldn't call that reality warping. The shit janemba did was reality warping. What whis did was probably just matter manipulation. He didnt really mess with reality itself
Got Bunnies
it's more like manipulating matter, but indeed, Whis has a lot of power that he's not showing us
Poor King Kai. He didn't deserve to die because of Goku's decision during the Cell fight
Isaiah Winfrey
well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way
Isaiah Winfrey
well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way
Isaiah Winfrey
well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way
Isaiah Winfrey
well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way
Isaiah Winfrey
well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way
He’s not as much of a mentor as he is an attendant. And I’m pretty sure that’s the point
Also, that Whis thumbnail is cursed
Whis is thinking we look like a snack
I'm going to agree with the others here saying he's more of an "Attendant" type of entity; yes, he CAN teach, mostly to those who are already above everyone else about things Mortals simply couldn't know about by themselves, but most of what he does is simply monitoring and watching.
You seem to forget that the Angels, while full of personality, are absolutely remorseless and lack any real morals other than doing what they think they should do at the time . . . which typically amounts to whatever seems amusing. They are not meant to do anything specific, nor do they have any clearly-defined rules or parameters. Zeno created them as Neutral all-encompassing forces simply meant to observe the Universes and give certain individuals in each of them the tools to use to either make the Universe better or worse without any real personal input on the part of the Angel's themselves.
I feel like Vegeta's growth comes from meeting and mentoring Cabba. Something about seeing a sayan race not bound by pride but honor I think clicked with him. Sometimes the best way to learn is to teach others.
0:47 I wasn't expecting that Akuma theme from Street Fighter X Tekken, but I can definitely see how it fits with something Bruce Faulconer would make.
@Nexus Mania nice work and you just got a sub👍 I very much like the music choices in these videos.
Thanks for informing me of the music at that part. Much appreciated.
On a related note, would you by chance know the one in the Vegeta video? ( th-cam.com/video/zsMrn9qTpMo/w-d-xo.html this one. )
Who will win: One OP Godlike Master with millions of years of experience vs. One Park Ranger Boi who trained on his own?
Gabriel Blas the park ranger duh😂unlimited stamina
I wouldn't underestimate the park ranger boy if I were you. I would explain why but spoilers for recent chapter.
Ranger boy
Who’s the ranger boi
@@SD-wj9bv It's either 17 or Merus.
I really WHIS that they fix this if Super ever comes back
Sam,,,please,,,
it is back? the manga is continued
Why do I smell the fact that someone might get whooooshed?
PotatoBeanGaming 2 it’s wish stupid not whis......
Baka this is meta af
Cant wait till "dragon ball super: the trouble successor" video. If that's actually the title then I win all internet awards
0:29 whis gets 79% positive votes and mark calls it overwhelming support. in the beerus video he gets 71% votes and mark still says he's not a fn favorite. lol
1:55 everyone that has watched this series: OH MY GOD NOT AGAIN, WE KNOW MARK!
Ah shit, here we go again.
You're not kidding. It kinda starts to feel like Groundhog Day after a while.
I agree with you. But to be fair, he doesn't have much leeway if someone hasn't seen this series before.
You can argue he put some kind of link to the other videos but that still wouldn't stop him from mentioning it.
I mean, I get that dbz is very arch so Creating Character Arcs is a good foundational text for analysis, but his viewers know by now, he should just throw it in more casually with a footnote citing the source (like most more academic video essays on TH-cam) in the corner or something instead of giving this simple concept the whole “source cited” song and dance each time.
Keenan McCarty it’s a Dragon Ball theory video, not an academic paper.
Whenever a character of anime comes to discussion I usually talk about their power and skill never as what they usually are as a person in fiction like how TotallyNotMark explains...
Even in animes that don't have people with powers?
@@toddstone230 well not it exactly, most of my friends don't pay attention to other anime besides shounen and ghoul
Whis is more likeable than Beerus to be honest.
Heck yeah. If you were to have a conversation with one of the two, you'll find Whis much more easy to get along with.
I like Whis and Beerus equally, though I'd agree Whis is more interesting and would probably be better to get along with than Beerus.
Tbf I'm not sure a God of Destruction should be likable, sort of goes against his job description i would imagine, seems like more of a Kai's job haha
I get very much on why you say that because based on what we see he doesn't really do much unless beerus tell him to do something but wiese is very capable of doing what he has to do he is strong he took beerus down one neck chop
@@TheChriscalibur They can be. It is just the title "God of Destruction" seems intimidating.
Why does whis look like he sees some unsupervised children at the park?
Wait wha?
Oh nvm I get it 😂😂
A mentor was a secondary job being a guardian/ attendant was his primary job
Ah Whis the character that removes all tension from a scene just by existing.
Beerus gets a 79% approval rating and that shows how divisive he is.
Whis gets a 79% approval rating and that shows how popular he is.
Hmm.
Probably because the same people like them. They are also a power couple. They would both be pretty beige without the other.I can't see someone liking one but not the other. I myself find them as dull as the other. Not bad character...just predictable and dull.
Most of what you say is so true and most of that I knew and liked someone else with a public voice actually mention it but sometimes I hear you say things that make me look deeper into DB related things and I usually agree but whether I do or dont love how you make me look deeper into it and make me learn more from it which is one of many reasons why I love your videos and live watching them multiple times, thank you mark 👍
Mark: *Talks about Whis(an angel)*
Also Mark: * Plays the theme of the soul-killing, mountain-destroying, demon-esque character known as Akuma(literally translates to Demon, or Devil, can't remember which).
Well that explains the thumbnail lol
I love that art in the thumb nail. It looks like whis in an early dragon ball art style
Me personally, at this point I can't imagine Dragon Ball without Whis and Beerus, they are amazing characters.
I like the shading you've added to the art of yourself in the video. Really stands out this time around.
Dragon ball franchise: *is an acceptable, fun entry level anime for people who are potentially not anime fans*
This guy: *im about to ruin this career's whole career*
dragonball franchise: is the best fictional work in the hall universe
One thing I didn't like about Whis was the fact that Whis has always been pushing Goku to calm his mind completely even though he is a saiyan, and now all of a sudden he scolds Goku for trying to be like the Angles and find his own ultra instinct EVEN THOUGH THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT WHIS HAS BEEN TEACHING GOKU. But I feel like Whis didn't really understand and accept saiyan nature until the granola arc. And I'm perfectly fine with that. But I just wish we would see some development with Whis to show his realization on how he was wrong about Goku and Vegeta. But now that I think about it, it is beneficial to have two different mind sets, the mind set of an angel and a saiyan. And I'd like to point out a real good point Vegeta made about how he should remain relaxed and only have his power level raised when he is attacking so the opponent doesn't know what to expect and to conserve energy. That's why Vegeta meditated, to have a relaxed mindset. Jiren can do it instinctively while Vegeta is a Saiyan so it woukd be hard for him to master. But then again, in Ressurection of Frieza whis said that Goku needs to be less calm but then proceeds to switch up his attitude when he sees Goku use ultra instinct. So what I think Whis should teach is that to have different mindsets but not forget or let go of their original ones. Which is where true ultra instinct and Ultra ego plays a part.
This actually was something I ruminated on some months ago. Whis seems like the kind of mentor that would actually help to develop and strengthen Goku both physically and mentally. Show him a new or better outlook at life while simultaneously giving him the kind of power needed to fight against new threats, all shown not through just a new form but a different fighting style.
And yet all we got was a Goku that stagnated and got worse over time and the scale of the fights he's in or how they're put together have not changed one bit from the level displayed in Z. It's even worse given that despite being granted divine powers, he is consistently humbled by people who don't have or even need those same powers, making Goku a lot smaller and weaker than most people usually try to perceive him. It's as if either Goku's learned nothing from him due to Whis' method of training or Goku is simply incapable of learning anything out of his comfort zone
You know, Whis had that potential. I too thought that... Needless to say, I am *very* disappointed.
Whis was an intelligent character that offered comedic relief to normally tense situations. He also provides the audience with how all the universes work and each deities role in it
This whole series is just a thinly veiled attempt to get your waifu K. M. Weiland's attention. You ain't slick.
Mr. Monster Girl thinly veiled. More like cloak
Great episode. Looking forward to you digging deeper. I agree with you about him being a likeable character, and the fact that he was never brought in to change Goku. There has been no tension in the storyline and even in the dialogue, for them to grow.
I think mark would be amazing at doing those final episode lines:
"Tune in next time to totallynotmark"-i definitely see that happening
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KEEP MAKING MORE VIDEOS. This is my favorite series on youtube, whenever I see that black and white thumbnail I know there's going to be CHARACTER.
Whis is an enabler. I think he finds the situation they're in funny
loving the new drawings of your oc/persona or whatever mark!! the lineart is really nice, as is the colouring and shading!!
Whis is a really fun character. How could anyone dislike him?
He could be fun in a superficial way but might not offer more to viewers. Don't watch Super but that would be my guess.
@Auspicious Legend I don't know, I'm just here for the pie.
Bewildered Bodhisattva I agree he’s like Beerus you just can’t not like the character.
@@ggamesgarner8027berus sucks lol
0:52 to 1:05
Nice intro/montage of mentors, nice editing too with the cuts and fading in/out music and changing between shots on pace with the music
I think hes a great character and he brings something special to the show.
I appreciate the quality of ur videos. Ur producing true art here man
The angle? I thought he was an angel, not an aspect of geometry.
WELL YOU THOUGHT WRONG!
A 4th degree angle
@@TotallyNotMark I love you🤣🤣🤣
Love those analytics, keep them up!
"Totally not mark" A professional critic
Save that for a video xD
Not really
OUTSTANDING video and analysis. I've never thought of it that way and I would LOVE a story arc of Goku unknowingly accepting the Lie instead of trying to learn the truth.
0:57 its ironic how he's playing akuma's(a demon) theme for whis(a angel)
Vegeta's growth doesn't suddenly happen. There is a big deal put on Vegeta forcing himself to try and relax and getting pummeled for it during the tournament of power. He is forced to realize that it isn't just being relaxed but letting his emotional stress of catching Goku relax that will enable him to develop further. Vegeta takes the advice seriously and you see multiple times throughout the ToP arc where he is inteltionally following Whis's advice.
The most powerful characters in dragonball are who love food the most I just realized that
I’ve learned a lot about writing from your videos but I feel its truly time to bite down on this. I’m gonna get that character arc book
This misconception, ESPECIALLY when anime freaks speak about their anime, of every character needing to have some huge effect, be extremely important and have the deepest character development in history is just dumb. Whis is a great supportive character and even better comic relief. That's it. Sweet christ
It's actually kinda weird how he tries to talk about how Whis needs to have this huge effect and super deep on the series, but chastised the anime's version of History of Trunks for showing too much story or some nonsense like that.
If a character doesn't add anything to the narrative, then they have no reason to be in the story. They'd just be fluff, like a filler episode.
@@devonm3400 and sometimes filler episodes are more fun
Devon M
If every character forced frantic change and development it would be impossible to follow as every character would have so many branches of development taking place at once
The old driver instructor are more memorable than... *hint*
Love How Mark and His Art Style/Thumbnails are growing more and more
That manga cliff hanger though, were we right? Is Meerus really a defected angel?
FIND OUT NEXT TIME IN DRAGON BALL SUPER!
The more i watch this series, the more i realize this series is amazing, but far from the best, and that most manga series today have taken lessons from the show, and improved on it 10 fold
Goku - flat character
Android 18 - thicc character
Strange Pigeon
*Dodoria - thicc character
@@RacingSnails64 you mean EXTRA THICC character
*Dodoria - Wide character
What makes her thick? I dont see it everyone says she thick but I dont get it she doesn't have an ass
I like the thumbnail a lot! I'm happy you told us you draw them.
This series is just slowly becoming why every DBS character is seriously flawed
Well, alot about DBS is flawed...
DBS: I don't feel nostalgic for it, therefore its flawed.
All of this guy's videos boil down to him complaining that Toriyama is trying to mix up the formula of Dragon Ball instead of adhering to the same rigid archetypes and themes we've seen a thousand times before in past series and other media. The irony is that a number of his complaints can be applied to number of DBZ characters he praises in other videos - but he is subconsciously willing to overlook that because of nostalgia.
What makes Dragon Ball unique is precisely Toriyama's willingness to try new things and turn existing tropes on their head. When you take that experimentation out and adhere solely to traditional ideas about story telling, you end up with mediocre works...like GT. Is DBS perfect? Nope. But when your polls consistently show that the characters you're complaining about are loved by the fanbase, that shows that something is going right.
The fact that Whis isn't a textbook example of what makes a "good" mentor like say, Kami, isn't a sign that he is flawed. In fact I'd bet dollars to pesos that in 10 years, people will think more highly of Whis than Kami precisely because Whis' is character is more complex than some generic mentor figure. That is what Totally Not Mark misses when he complains that Whis isn't delivering the "desired utility and optimal effect a mentor should have": Whis is supposed to be more than a generic mentor in DBS.
Whis plays a number of roles, perhaps most importantly serving as an embodiment of what makes the Angels and their motivations both mysterious and ominous. Whis' disinterested and generic training is not an oversight, its deliberate - it is supposed to distinguish him from Goku's past mentors and make us question what his motivations are and if he actually cares about the Saiyans. But rather than considering what role Whis plays **beyond** being a mentor, Totally Not Mark arbitrarily decides that the utility Toriyama is trying to get from the character solely to creator a mentor for the Saiyans thereby imaging "flaws" due to his own narrow focus.
Is Whis' execution perfect? Not by a long shot. Are all the stories he appears in masterpieces? No way. But to suggest he is "defective" when compared to characters like Kami, who was easily discarded and forgettable, is a laughable idea that only sits well with views because most of them grew up watching DBZ.
@@AdrianMartinez-bg5kl Or and hear me out. Just like with everything it has flaws. It just so happens it has a metric fuck ton of them.
@@AdrianMartinez-bg5kl Nah, it's just extremely flawed in general.
Yup cuz dbs is flawed. Gotta work with what you have right?
You said you learned a lot in this video, and man, does it show.
2 things that changed dragon ball for ever are super saiyans and beerus and whis
Man that half second shot of Goku firing a kamehameha at a car and just about breaking it is so humbling.
Next one: Cell, the "perfect" character.
For Akuma's theme you have my respect.
The title: *Defective mentor*
What I read: *Defective Minor*
...you need an adult
@@-cams. I am an adult
Binging your videos and see that you just uploaded what a treat
Yo Mark, I'm early this time. Doing Whis and Beerus before my boy Tien? When's he getting his anatomy? Is he next?
Darkjonny79 and krillin
Darkjonny79 The hell does Tien’s character have worth mentioning? His character arc lasted the span of a few episodes. I doubt that’s enough for a whole video, especially with how simple it is
Tien would fall too closely to Piccolo's video of "The Humiliated Character" to get his own.
ohmyGUHDness tien is such a great character. One of my faves. He just wasn’t use much
Theworld isimmense Yeah, happens to most characters that aren’t Saiyans
Having the Akuma Final Boss music playing when introducing Whis brought back so many memories of fighting him. Thank you jesus
11:30 That writer probably hates Doc Brown from Back to the Future.
Great video. My favorite mentor arcs were Goku training under Korin and Mr.Popo. The sacred water just being regular water was an amazing lesson and Korin had so much wisdom to share. As did Mr.Popo in regards to Goku needing to clear his mind.
“Mr. Popo, is the strongest in the Universe!” - Kid Goku. English dub.
Angel Mark, not angle, stop working so hard buddy get your rest
i actually liked Whis because he's a mentor with nothing at stake. In Z Roshi and King Kai are somewhat "vulnerable" so they are maybe more connected to Goku, but Whis offers a contrast: kind of like he supplies knowledge but no judgement
Nobody:
TotallyNotMark: In Cameron’s book “Creating character arcs”
和生神 It’s a good book. I have read it
A mentor, in simplest terms, I would assume, is to help a person or character. They help them in big and small ways. Maybe they help you take down the major forces in your life. Maybe they teach you the move or give you the ideology or even the equipment to improve your life. A mentor nurtures their student, and enrich their life. Roshi was, arguably, the most influential mentor for Goku and Krillin and everyone he taught. Roshi not only strengthened these two major forces, G-Man and Krill Dog, he taught them things, in his overtly perverted ways, but he educated them. And if you think about it, without Roshi, Goku wouldn't have the series's most powerful and famous attack.
WHIS: TOTALLY NOT MENTOR
Whis is probably my favourite character in Dragon Ball Super (atleast the favourite NEW character). He's funny when nothing too serious is going on, but gets serious when needed.
Whis is pure neutral, just as angels should be.
So is Beerus tho
@@MedK001 no he’s just lazy he said he didn’t WANT to not that he couldn’t because he was gonna right buu
@@peacethrufiregames7058 yes, he's lazy, but that's not what I thought made him neutral.
He's going around destroying planets; that's bad. But it's his job & he does that to "keep balance"; that's good.
Both are neutral, but I'd say Whis is more lawful while Beerus is more chaotic
@@MedK001 no dude he doesn’t do his job he destroys planets if they don’t please him his JOB is raising the mortal level which he failed to do as of grand priest and Xenos eyes
@@peacethrufiregames7058 his job is to destroy planets in order to rise the mortal level. The criteria for what gets destroyed is up to him, though.
From what I see, he's definitely rising the mortal culinary levels.
thank you for clarifying about how a character can grow while having a flat character arc that really confused me for quite some time.
I don’t think Vegeta stopped chasing after Goku
He’ll just surpass him in his own way
Except at the end of the buu saga, but super decided to forget that was a thing that happened :P
Yeah Vegeta will always chase Goku and Goku will always chase the next level for himself.
michael deering he literally said in Dbs that he wouldn’t let Goku be number one forever
@@Burdboy14 still feels like a regression of vegeta's character by forcing a character arc that had already ended to continue, likely due to having no idea how to write goku and vegeta's relationship post buu saga without vegeta being competitive
@@shenanigans8353 true. That is why i have a hard time liking super
All praise be to K. M. Weiland. Who without, we would be lost, unable to comprehend the mystical "Character Arc".
But is Whis truly a mentor? Never got that vibe from him like say Roshi, Piccolo or King Kai. Video should really be Whis: The Mysterious Addition
He mentors both of the MCs without him we have no SSB, SSG, or UI
@@jacobhines5583 So we had one scene in a film which was there for Whis to point out details for plot (and Mark even highlights this). Revival of F didn't really say, "Goku and Vegeta reached Blue from training with Whis" the audience is left to assume that. Mark brings up what a mentor does and in this same video highlights things that Whis doesn't do.
@@Teejturtle except super exists and retcons all of that into multiple episodes of actual training during which blue is attained and super Saiyan God is attained by vegeta
Wow! You really opened my eyes. Whis, though one of my favorite inclusions in super, doesn't hold a candle as a mentor to the ones before him.
Whis is so strong he achieved Super Saiyan 10
Man i only just started watching these but they are great videos!
I like Whis, he's better incorperated into the series than fuggin Kale and people love her, lol.
that's comparing apples to styrofoam cups, my dude.
Might Guy Nobody care about that broly reskin until she fuse and become Kefla
Can you please do an in-depth analysis of Zamasu and Goku Black together and how the design of the two characters blended into two with Goku as the villain face makes it appealing?
The video you did on Zamasu was too short and wasn't really in depth.
Please explore his character because he is one of my most favourite villains.
Thanks for the video BTW!
Whis looks real unsettling in the thumbnail, sheesh.
yeah he does
I think it's the look he gives, he looks like he'll murder me in my sleep.
He’s probably making that face cause he saw Vegeta from behind again
And in case for anyone wondering from 00:49, its a remix of Akumas theme from MVC3
Yup. Its the sfxt version im pretty sure