Funny thing is, he was obviously awake when he allowed Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta, A LOT of time after Buu's rampage, which East Kai must have informed him about. So why didn't he immediately go to Earth and destroy Majin Buu's orb? Given that the monster was still alive and had showed interest in killing his life link partner, Beerus - also given his personality - should have IMMEDIATELY dealt with him. And let's not get started with why the Kais didn't think about waking him up to fight Buu to begin with. He's not very kind with those who disturb him during his naps, true, but the Kais (for obvious reasons) shouldn't be worried about getting hurt by him.
Beerus really does embody an actually cat: -He likes you for food. -He acts "neutral" but actually likes everyone he knows. -He sleeps for amazing periods of time. -He also "hates" everyone he knows. -And he doesn't look threatening at all. This character is great.
Beerus' character is totally fine, the problem is they gave him WAY too much screen time. As one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse, his presence should carry a lot of weight and be used sparingly. They should have used his nonchalant and gluttonous attitude as a reason to keep him off screen, and allow Whis to interact with Goku and Vegeta by himself while Beerus is off doing things he finds more worthy of his time. There's no reason a god of destruction should have been turned into some guy that just casually hangs out with mortals all the time because he has nothing better to do. Narratively, nothing would change if you removed Beerus from 95% of the scenes involving Whis, Goku, and Vegeta, but his status as a character to be respected would have still been intact. As a destroyer god, Beerus shouldn't be sitting around watching any fight he claims to not have an interest in who the winner is, he should be treated as someone who's above the squabbles of mortals, only appearing when his interest in a fight is genuinely piqued, whether it be because of the entertainment value he'd find in the fight or because the stakes or so high he can't ignore it. This way Beerus' presence during a conflict would signify that an event carries serious weight, instead of his presence simply sucking all the tension out of the fight because big uncle Beerus could just step in and save his friends.
Agreed, Death Note did it correctly with Ryuk, he always made it very clear he didn't care what happened he was just there for the entertainment and they wrote him as such. If Ryuk stepped in to help/influence Light anytime he was in trouble or couldn't figure out what to do it would of made the show way less enjoyable.
I think some of this is relatively skewed since 3/5 arcs of Super do need Beerus' presence. The U6 fight and the ToP do need Beerus to be a spectator. He's been mostly forced to watch fights rather than pop in and watch it. But it really does feel weird during Resurrection F and Black Sagas, where we know that Beerus could end the entire plot before it begins because he is literally chillin with Bulma.
@@WrathofFenrir99 And the funny part is that even when the characters willingly use the big dragon-like genie figure (Shenron, Porunga, whatever) as a safety net, it doesn't suck up the tension because the process of grabbing the McGuffins is where the tension is put instead, and this is made clear in the Namek arc.
I personally believe Beerus may be in search of a replacement. Whis seems to give less of a shit than Beerus, yet he takes time out to train Vegeta and Goku. Beerus while extremely lazy is still a deity with the wisdom and patience as such along with a lack of social apathy that could be theorized as usual for such a being. With Goku and Vegeta being nearly powerful enough they are seemingly not there yet mentally. Beerus is merely a shepherd(albeit lazy) allowing his apprentice to tend the flock.
@@aprogamer8944 I agree except the wheis part, I believe hes just preparing goku and vegeta to just take over the whole universe. Avengers type of thing, and like you say they'll just take care of the flock.
Beerus and Whis Beer and Whiskey A couple of beers will give you a buzz but shots of whiskey will get you tipsy. I like how it parallels with their strength levels too. Whis is just that much stronger.
I think the ToP used Beerus well by literally restraining him, forcing him to learn to respect those who do not have a same power level, but similar determination. I think that lets the audience benefit from his personality and put him through a growth arc without many of the problems you discussed in this video.
Baikanon I think you have a point. The ToP gave us an arc where Beerus no longer is a safety net and the cast has to win with no win buttons or get out of jail free cards. I don’t think he’s a bad character, and even if he has problems, he could’ve been so much worse.
Baikallllnon well said, that's exactly how I felt about him TOP...Beerus' fear of erased and his life being dependent on mortals really made him a interesting..and that made him value Goku's ultra instinct, Vegeta battle with Toppo and Jiren or Gohan and Frieza teaming up to defeat Dyspo...or Even Master Roshi's final fight...made Beerus interact with everyone...I love the scene where Beerus says "Here he comes" while Goku awakening of ultra instinct...Beerus carries a realm.of reverence around him...every word he says was important in Tournament of power...really loved Tournament of power and characters like Beerus, Jiren, Golden Frieza, 17..loved how they executed the arc...
Yea when Beerus gave props and acknowledged Master Roshi (the character with the lowest power level on the team) and had respect for him real proves your point. Great observation. Toriyama made a paragon character go through growth and it worked lol
That’s kinda a problem for most of the characters that get introduced in this series. They play a great part in the arc that was made for them and then Toriyama tries to figure out what to do with them going forward. Sometimes he finds a place for them, sometimes they’re just there to be there and sometimes he forgets they’re a thing
He has basically forgotten everybody except Goku and Vegeta. Remember back during Z when Gohan was being set up as the new star to replace Goku, and now he's just a background character? Or Piccolo, who hasn't been relevant since early Cell saga?
I don’t feel like Beerus removes tension because it was already gone. Once Dragonball got to the point where each enemy represented a threat to all life on Earth the characters could no longer lose, and if they did the Dragonball’s would fix it.
@@icjet1ks That's the reason I think Buu's saga worked, though. Majin Buu's overpowered nature created the drama and tension the saga's known for, and him destroying the Earth and Dragon Balls as soon as he could while no one could do shit about it felt extremely tense and fresh.
@@umcaraqualquer3640 every villain was very OP at some point, the tension in the Buu saga feels weird and unnatural unlike Frieza 's and Cell's sagas where it feels realistic, I dont know why
@@hasanalharaz7454 nope, Broly and basically anyone with a beam like projectile are far better; even Frieza. His orbs aren't really zoning tools, they're for okizeme and some cool combos
I think Beerus himself is a good character. He's funny and entertaining and imposing all at the same time. But they just didn't really know how to use him effectively past the Battle of Gods arc in my opinion.
Nerdy George Washington Beerus is a neutral. He’s role in the anime is to destroy worlds to maintain balance. How else would you want them to use him? As a Z fighter? If so frieza would be long dead. Same with zamasu.
@James Godby Which is the dilemma for writing Beerus. If he needs to be involved, then you're beyond Goku's ability to yell himself into a new hairstyle. Beerus' power is so far beyond everyone that he is better used for dramatic storytelling, but when you have a series based on people fighting each other, Beerus engaging would rob tension because of his God-level power. The series can't use him for what his character is actually good at and doesn't want to spend time with what he could actually contribute to a story.
@@skfrederick5 Which is exactly the problem. He messes up the threats of the villains by existing there. If he steps in, the enemy in question is done for unless they have a way to properly counter a Destroyer God
0:39 The comments sections tend to be more negative than the polls or ratings b/c they're basically the bitching areas of the internet. Content people often have nothing to say.
@Melon Baller You're trying to find an argument that doesn't exist. You basically just confirmed everything I stated since there were no opinions at all in my comment, genius.
Beerus is a case of a good character the writers don't know how to use. As you said, he's often there to be there, but his presence also means that problems can be introduced that only he's capable of solving. How ridiculously amazing would it have been that if instead of Goku literally pressing a win button at the end of the Black saga, Beerus instead shows up -- he states that the score between him and Zamasu is 1-1, and that he was of a mind to settle it, and that the circumstances now give him the opportunity to prove just how unfit Zamasu is to call himself a god. Zamasu, drunk on power, says that Beerus is no longer able to hold a candle to him, but after a brief struggle likely suggesting Zamasu is right, Beerus suddenly reveals he's been screwing with him and blinks him and the nightmare he's created out of existence, once and for all. In response to the cast's baffled reaction, Beerus dismissively reminds them that he's the god of destruction; there is nothing that has been created that cannot therefore be destroyed. This re-establishes Beerus' place in the story, and also as a threat should he one day feel the same way about any of the other characters -- because Beerus' ability is not limited to numbers, there's always a way he could defeat Goku if he wanted to, no matter how powerful Goku had become. It also downplays the "team pet" role he's been shoved into, a reminder that he's unpredictable and capricious, and therefore dangerous; he's _not_ the protagonists' friend. What would Goku do if Beerus decided that he was the latest victim of his whimsy? I'd argue that Trunks getting a win -- in a different fashion than Spirit Bomb Sword -- would have been a better way to do it, but supposing they did the shitshow they did anyway, a lot of people would have had different feelings about that shitshow if Beerus was essentially used the same way as Zeno is, but because Beerus has indirect investment in Zamasu's defeat -- Zamasu has led to his demise in Zamasu's timeline, and he's made something of a mockery of him in the process -- and because Beerus is still a regular feature in the plot, it'd be more satisfying to have him handle the matter, and to have a "refreshing" of his character and his place in the story. Most people loved his handling of his own timeline's Zamasu; a callback to that and to the fact that Goku still has a tangible background threat would have been looked upon largely favorably, I feel. Plus, it gets around Dragon Ball's perpetual catch-22, of who the "strongest" character is; what makes this Beerus dangerous is that it doesn't matter _how_ "strong" his opponent is. Not only is Goku unproven to be more outright powerful than Beerus is, it would imply that even if he were, he could still _lose_ to Beerus. This also puts a higher emphasis on how Dragon Ball can best get around its catch-22, via an emphasis on strategy and exploiting an opponent's weaknesses; if Goku had to avoid the looming threat that is Beerus' win condition, how would he fight him, if he had to? These are the questions that get people having nerdy conversations at the proverbial water cooler. Beerus was the best part of Battle of Gods -- although Vegeta is certainly second -- and for good reason. But like many of Toriyama's characters, he was introduced for a specific purpose, and once that purpose was exhausted, so to did his role in the story. That doesn't mean the character itself is a problem; much like many of the now neglected characters in the series, if more was written specifically to feature him, instead of put him there for the sake of doing so, we'd be reminded of what was so enjoyable about him in the first place, and he has more going for him than most characters, besides; his status as an X-factor can keep him fresh and intriguing, but his poor utilization and token inclusions have hurt him more than anything.
Beerus would be so much better as what he is: a God of Destruction, less of a person with clear-cut motivations and interests and more so the embodiment of the very nature of destruction itself, with enough character and personality to make interactions with other characters interesting.
I love Beerus to death. And the way I see it is like this: it’s the Turtle and the Hare. He is better, faster and stronger but Is lazy. Goku and Vegeta are slowly catching up, bc they choose to keep improving and moving forward, while Beerus lays and sleeps. Him being a constant threat n never involving helps
"Him being a constant threat n never involving helps." This would've been a much better direction for his character arc since the start, instead of 'redeeming' him in one movie's time. He's no longer that unpredictable factor that could bite you in the neck when you ask for help. He's just a plot device, and exists solely to help move the key players into position, or as a deux ex machina.
Vile Weasel because the character was invented by someone else and Toriyama took it over misinterpreted his name and Toriyama’d the character up. All of Toriyamas characters are surface level there isn’t much depth to any of them.
"They needed Whis as his involment was crucial for the conclusion" Actually i think he wasn't needed at all, they could have let Vegeta win for once in that moment. The fact that they used Whis for time travel, to me, feels like they NEEDED to do something with those characters, otherwise they would have been useless to the plot
They needed Whis to rob Vegeta of a win because God-forbid anybody but Goku gets to save the day. It's like the only way in which Vegeta is allowed to surpass Goku is in being a damn father.
I find it funny how lack of tension is such an issue when we're talking about a series where all consequences are just fixed by "Oh we have dragon balls"
@@tiablue9106 Use the Dragon Balls to teleport the androids into space. As far as we know, they still function like humans, and since they bleed, they likely also need oxygen. Doesn’t matter how powerful and fast you are if you die of lack of oxygen. Or you know, just wish for immortality on any of the main cast, preferably a Saiyan. That’s the issue with the dragon balls, they were way too easy to get ahold of for how easily they could shut down just about any antagonist. They just always chose not to because…..reasons, probably pride or something idk.
@@MayHugger it pretty much is pride yeah. bc when bulma suggested they use the dragon balls in a practical manner (finding gero and stopping him from creating the androids), vegeta & co. rejected the idea for reasons of that nature. like ig that covers that 1 situation, but there's also the "rule" introduced in the saiyan arc where they said the dragon balls have no influence over beings more powerful than the dragon. I put "rule" in quotes bc this is never expanded on in detail, which would rly help clarify why they don't use the dragon balls to take out more threats
@@tiablue9106 Yeah I agree they really should have gone into more detail on what Shenron can and can’t affect regarding those stronger than him. Cause sometimes it felt a little inconsistent, since he could forcibly take a bomb from Android 18 and Android 17, but couldn’t return them to being human despite being able to return planets from being completely destroyed (that one might just be Parunga, but it’s not like they aren’t as easily accessible thanks to Instant Transmission). Parunga apparently couldn’t teleport Goku to Earth against his will after Namek was destroyed but could do so for everyone else on Namek, including Piccolo and Vegeta who would definitely be WAAAY more powerful, with Vegeta wanting to fight Frieza and so would likely have been unwilling, and since the wish was specified to exclude Goku and Frieza, it makes me think at that time it might have been able to forcibly teleport them as well. The ‘rule’ really needed fleshing out. Now on situations where they don’t do things because of their pride, while I understand why they wouldn’t use the Dragon Balls to solve the issue, that doesn’t remove the fact they could easily use them to do so, and so the tension does a feel a little fake, at least in my opinion.
“I will not let you destroy my world.” Always shakes me to the core, it was like Goku and Frieza again. The stakes were there, and incredible adversity. With Beerus’ stance of neutral, it shows an interesting arc, because I think he honestly hates it after awhile. He has IMMENSE power but he’s not entirely allowed to do anything, and EVEN WITH this power he’s still outclassed by angels and Zeno. I think that’s the great thing with his and Gokus relationship, someone is always stronger. He wants to make Goku the next bad ass in the universe or at least that’s what I think.
I'm sorry, I agree, but at the same time, I just find the way he said it funny because it's so rapid fire. It's more like "III WILLNOTLETYOUDESTROYMYWORRRLD". Like it's a serious situation and serious line but I can't help but laugh.
@@babyorenji4211 yes....yes it is. By the sheer fact that that grandma is 80 years strong and still belting out screams on par with Schemmel the shmuck.
"Imagine how suspenseful Freeza's defeat of Goku would have been, had Vegeta been the only one left to settle things" Not very suspenseful at all. We know that Freeza's tired, injured, and burning through energy at an alarming rate. We know Vegeta's been training alongside Goku. Freeza had no chance, and we can see that when Vegeta casually beats him like a Freeza Soldier. Beerus wasn't the issue with that movie. The issue was Freeza's new form was a joke. We're told it's 'stronger than Blue', but it never really proves it, and in the end Freeza has to get in a cheap shot(in such a stupid way) to beat Goku. Freeza's power crapping out is what really killed the tension. If Goku had been backed into a corner, and required Vegeta's help to stand a chance against Freeza, forcing them to work together(ala Super Broly) this would have been WAY better. Removing Beerus doesn't remove how little tension Freeza delivers, when he's running out of gas, and has to get help from his henchmen to not get his ass handed to him any further.
Atsuko Kagari the problem with Frieza wasn’t his power running out but the fact that he surpassed every Super Saiyan level in 4 months. He went from less than SSJ (Frieza saga) to higher than SSJ Blue in 120 days training with a guy barely at Zarbon and Dodoria’s level.
Luis Brito So, you're saying if his power boost had been properly earned, and felt justified. You would have no issue with him running out faster than the Switch's battery life, and getting his ass handed to him by Goku? (until he cheats, so Vegeta can then beat him up with no effort)?
My thoughts exactly OP. Beerus wasnt the reason there was no tension. The movie did a good enough job on it's own with that. And Beerus' existence didnt stop DBS:Broly from having tension.
That and the whole premiss was "Oh look, it's Goku's most iconic adversary that he only talked to for about an hour (being generous) and had no previous history with back from the dead, but more powerful, because reasons. Yaaay...."
Beerus is my favorite. Your suggestion that he's like a father watching kids fight is spot on. Very godlike. I love that perspective while the world is on the brink of destruction.
For me, Beerus made it painfully obviousd that even if there is a much stronger character around on a 'good' side, it's still Goku who gets all the spotlight. This overwhelmingly powerful character was reduced to be a guy commenting things on the sidelines and a comic relief. With not a single fight after BoG. Also you made a great point that Beerus and Whis caused a lack of tension. With that in mind, it's all the more ridiculous that DBS creators made it much worse with introduction of Zeno.
"He also provides a massive downside that Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z never had to contend with. A lose of tension." I would say the dragon balls themselves did that plenty. You know, the things the series is named after? Someone dies? No problem. Just wish them back. Personally, I'd like it to be written in the show somehow that the regular dragon balls get destroyed/deactivated permanently or something, and the super dragon balls are the only remaining namesake artifacts of the show. I like the idea behind the super dragon balls. They're far more powerful than the regular dragon balls, yet they alleviate far less tension than the regular ones. The regular dragon balls, are the main casts play thing that they've grown to completely take for granted now, while the super dragon balls present themselves with a heavy restriction of usage in that you basically can't use them without the aid of the gods. The problem with Super is that they have both, Beerus (and Whis) as well as the regular dragon balls. I'd prefer Beerus to replace the regular dragon balls as the thing the main cast uses as a crutch. Because unlike the regular dragon balls, Beerus is sort of a wild card. He may not agree with you. He may not be your friend in a particular situation. He may choose to be lazy and not lift a damn finger. He may outright get angry at you and become your enemy. Where as, the dragon balls, you just gather them fuckers and wish for whatever the hell you damn want (okay, not whatever you want, but still...). The Dragon Ball franchise, as its name implies, needs to have dragon balls in them. In DB and Z, there were only the regular ones, so they couldn't be replaced. But now there's super dragon balls. If those were the only ones, the main cast couldn't use them as a crutch. There could easily be plotlines where the cast has to convince the deities to let them use them, which would obviously be met with great resistance.
LightyearGaming that plan can’t work considering that the dragon balls were deactivated once and all they did was create new ones. At this point, I’m ok with better writing rather than “stakes.” Dragon Ball worked well at the beginning without them.
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko It can be written in the show that they can no-longer create new ones. We're talking about creative writing at the end of the day, which is only limited by the imagination of people writing in the show. I'm certain there's a way to write out the regular dragon balls from the show. I can think of several ways on a whim.
the dragonballs never removed tension, they just allowed status quo to return in the end they gave the story an "all's well ends well" for the heroes... but only if they "earned" it
Mbrace Then, the show’s name wouldn’t make sense anymore. Besides, they activated the dragon balls several times now that I checked up. So, Dende no longer being able to create more will be seen as convenient for the plot. And New Namek has still its set of dragon balls. Taking out the Earth’s Dragon Balls will just move the scenario to space. And if we remove them as well, then the title would make even less sense. The dragon balls should be the items around which the plot goes. You can’t do it with the Super Dragon Balls. Too big, too hidden in two universes, and limited by language. It worked with Zamasu because he was a god, but he still needed Zuno to know their location ( And we still don’t know how in heaven he moved those things across two universes ). Though, you can’t bring more evil gods out nowhere that magically knows about the SDB. Even Beerus didn’t know much about them while Champa was probably helped by Vados in that regard. The Earth’s dragon balls never removed stakes as they can’t do anything to beings stronger than their creator, so pretty much no one. They are meant to restore the status quo AFTER the battle, which we don’t know they’ll win.
I really like Beerus as a character. Somehow, "God is competent and can totally save you, but just doesn't care enough about you or your problems to get involved in your bullshit." seems like a new direction for Dragon Ball. I like it. I never felt like a cold and uncaring god watching over deflated the tension in Resurrection F.
Problem is the possibility. If Beerus ended up fighting in Resurrection F, Frieza is done for. Seeing Frieza shitting himself at seeing Beerus messes up his threat there.
"There is no point to this character being on the sidelines watching this fight" Isn't that like...90% of Dragonball? It's different -- typically these people are too weak to make a difference rather than too strong to care -- but it's the same problem.
I wouldn't mind a stand alone beerus movie, and the story of him, and his brothers rise of them becoming gods. I think a origin story would bring some light back to him that his fans could enjoy.
The Alien Bardock wasn’t written by Toriyama bro. He wrote minus in 2010 and it sucked dick. Trunks had a backstory because it was necessary to explain what in the fuck was going on and it’s the one time Toriyama really got into someone’s backstory. Never before or since did he actually go out of his way to draw a person backstory, not with King Piccolo, Tao, The Crane Hermit, The Red Ribbon Army, Frieza, Dr. Gero, King Cold, King Vegeta, Vegeta, 17 and 18, he kinda drew Buus backstory but not in a stand-alone manga, it was just a flashback so ima count that too. I’m convinced the only reason he drew Trunks’ story is because it was waaaaay too much to explain in just dialogue.
Eh, better to keep it a mystery. Part of what makes Beerus work is how he came out of nowhere to the audience but was apparently always there as a OP threat. The more light we put on his story, the more questions we have to answer.
@@TotallyNotMark Frankly, I like them. Its your artwork, right, Mark? Regardless of whether it is or isn't, they're great pieces and unmistakably point to it as a TNM video for me.
@@TotallyNotMark they are really nice artworks and I find it incredible how you are able to draw so well like how you pose characters and you are able to make that pose feel real, its something I've been trying for months and I still dont get the hang of it but I just keep noticing that in your thumbnails the character is always with his side of back to the the thumbnail and looking behind himself, looking directly to us😂
Beerus reminds me of a bitter middle-aged man with three ex-wives, his own successful burger joint, and a fondness for cheap booze He's a great character
Frieza should have revealed that Beerus ordered for the destruction of planet Vegeta in the movie Resurrection F as a last ditch effort to save his own neck. Ty for the all likes btw :D
I agree with him removing tension from most scenes, but I loved every scene he was in. He even elevated the tension in crucial scenes in the show. When he confronts zamasu, when he threatens to kill goku, and when he warns frieza after he trapped goku in the Hakai. I hope we see more of his serious side.
There was never I repeat NEVER has been a moment where we thought Goku was going to lose and the world/universe us destroyed FOR GOOD!!beerus has not changed that fact! Beerus is a great character
That’s why the tension is pretty lost. Since we know Goku will win, there’s no tension. They need for us to make them hate the character. Hajime No Ippo does this right by making the characters lose in some fights, which makes us guess if they’ll actually win or lose, even the main character. Horikoshi does this right with My Hero Academia by making the characters have to escape the fight to win, or make us hate the villain. If Dragon ball made us hate the villains, the ending would feel way more satisfying. If Goku would actually lose or at least make us doubt that he’ll lose, then the show would have more tension.
@@Jiboby most characters in super have already died more than twice but the problem of there being no tension to the show as been a problem since the beginning of Z
@@RobinDaHoodV2 Honestly I think Toriyama should just find a way to get rid of the Dragon Balls or at least make it harder to attain everytime. Yeah... that would be a good story arc, imagine... the Destroyer God Beerus sees that Earthlings have become too reliant on the Dragon Balls to fix their problems and this has caused an imbalance in the universe. King Kai has failed, the Supreme Kais have failed, Earthlings have grown to become lazy, weak and ungrateful because they know the worlds problems would be solved just like that. He believes that by erasing the Dragon Balls from existence, Earthlings will start to rely on their own strength instead of being given cheap handouts and balance would finally be restored. He believes he is doing humanity a good service. Idk it just sounds like a cool concept to me, it might actually bring some much needed tension to DBS.
I don't see him as a problem character, he's a bridge to expanding the universe and future threats the DB fighters can explore. Entertaining video though 😎
So he's a bridge to more powerlevel? I don't really think that's what DB needed. That's exactly what ruined DB, we needed smaller stakes and less power. Enough with galaxy destroyin punch and ruler of universe wannabes.
Did you watch the video? That was largely part of his point. Beerus needs to be around to allow for the universe expansion and plot, but he doesn't have anything to do, so he's just a sideline character who is a problem for the writers because they don't really have anything for him to do.
@@Auxified Of course I watched it, otherwise I wouldn't have said anything lol. My point was that Beerus is a god, gods don't intervene at wordly problems. He didn't stop Vegeta from blowing up that planet of innocents (I think they were 😁) or the Namekians being slaughtered, or any other atrocities that happen. I'm simply saying his position doesn't allow him to do anything unless it pertains to his role
Personally, I think the perfect solution for Beerus is to have him asleep for when he isn't needed. After all he is a cat, and it's already been established that he sleeps all the time. I think it would be very plausible for him to just be taking a nap so that he and Whis aren't attached at all times. I think that would take away most if not all of the moments where there's nothing for him to do in a scene but he's shoehorned in.
We need to get rid of all of Super's characters. They're all trash because of what they represent - the invalidation of already established characters. Nothing the heroes and villains do matters anymore if there are multiple nigh all-powerful beings who can kill you and everything to have ever existed.
@@DraculaCronqvist by that retarded logic Z in general shouldn't exist since it turned a regular adventure action shounen into "duh my number is bigger than yours and I can destroy a planet, bow before me duh" nonsense. Oh wait Z is childhood for nostalfags so is untouchable.
His best moment was his hakai against zamasu other then that he pretty much did nothing but i don't think that ruins his character at all he is powerful and lazy so he is in character by not doing much in super except be lazy and sleep like his character is.
I see you the problem is just he’s too powerful and is supposed to be neutral. He’d end every arc immediately if he got involved. So the writers can’t use him if they’re trying to build any kind of tension.
@@glennabraham2345 I disagree. Beerus can be used in tension building. Example: Imagine if we got a villian that beat beerus in battle after BOG but before the TOP. That would build Major tension and would get us back those Z days of where its just up to Goku and frinds to save the day.
@@draico4265 If they did, people would complain that they solve every problem for the other characters. Hello, Totally Not Mark is already accusing them of sucking the tension out of the story, yet they usually tell Goku and the rest to handle stuff themselves.
@@Zakjuh Exactly, how can you expect your universe to grow stronger if you are constantly bailing them out of danger? Beerus can't create life, he can only destroy, and by those rules you let the weak die and keep the strongest. That doesn't explain the Buu saga but the past is the past
“His inevitable rematch with Goku” is the only thing I can really disagree with. It HAS to be Vegeta to beat Beerus after learning that Beerus made the order to destroy his home world.
Kyle Vaughn beerus didn’t put the hit out on Planet Vegeta. He was just okay with it being destroyed. Frieza’s motives to destroy planet Vegeta have always been the same, beerus didn’t change anything.
@@RandomGuy-zl5sp yes you're right but freeza had to ask permission for a reason beerus could've said no but alas it doesn't really matter Vegeta knows that's his job as a destroyer. I don't think Vegeta would have much of a vendetta.
Random Guy beerus told frieza to destroy the Saiyan planet. The planet that had gokus mother and father on it. Goku has more motive to take down beerus
I love Beerus and he is one of my favorites, the thing with his character is that he is suppose to be a guide. He is neither a villian or a good person. He is a god and his job is to keep the natural balance of his universe. His purpose was used well during the Goku Black arc. He was arrogant in the beginning of the Battle of Gods but but the time TOP rolls around, this tournament is used to make the gods closer to their mortals. Beerus was always indifferent to mortals but after meeting Goku and his friends he starts to see how important mortals are to the job he has. He eventually develops respect and he starts to see them as kind of like his children. It is unknown if he will ever be a full convert like Piccolo but being among mortals can possibly make him a better god of Destruction. The reason why Universe 11 is the best balanced universe is cause there is cohesion between kais, gods of destrcution and mortals.
To be fair, the Dragon Balls at least had rules attached that prevented people from being brought back from the dead more than once, so they didn't eliminate tension initially. But then Namek got introduced, giving the cast access to another set of Dragon Balls that got around that. And while that was fine for a one-off, the arc made it so that Dende was reintroduced and then he made a new set of Dragon Balls that basically said "Free come back to life card whenever you want". So now the only real tension is if Earth and Namek are destroyed AND Zen'o doesn't let them use the Super Dragon Balls for some reason.
@@TheAzulmagia using the super dragon balls is a big headache since they would need to contact Jaco for space travel and he isn't around most of the time also they would need to learn the "God language" and beerus doesn't like to help them out so yeah
Beerus has one massive positive. He’s essentially given a power ceiling and a goal for Goku and Vegeta to get to and his presence is a constant reminder of how much further Goku and Vegeta have got to go and it also gives a good estimation on how much Longer Super has. Like you said Beerus isn’t a villain but an antagonist. I also feel like he’s either the endgame for Super or Something even he struggles with is the end game. That’s what is so great about Beerus’ character.
@@Auxified I mean not really. Z had no tension after the frieza saga because of the namikian dragonballs and really instant transmission. At any point during saga outside of buu goku could litteraly teleport the enemy to otherworld and leave them there since they couldn't teleport. Also the namikan dragonballs completely remove any tension whatsoever as the main cast at any point in the show can get 3 wishes. Heck even the frieza saga itself was using the namikian dragon balls to fix what happened in the sayain saga essiantly making any tension in the sayain saga really not matter. Since dragonball is a story we know the main character will prevail in the end. What we usually don't know is what will the cost be such as a friends death. Since the dragonballs remove the concept of death and destruction compelty from the show the only time the zfigthers are actually in danger is in super when the universe is put on the line. So really tension that came from the orginal series is self created because it isn't there if you actually understand how the dragon balls work. Also this isn't even hidden. The show directly tells you there isn't tension when goku directly tells gohan don't worry about killing people because of the dragon balls and piccloo tells super buu directly to kill everyone on earth. So really super is the most tension db has had since the sayain saga and rof is the same amount of tension as anh other saga. Actually more tension because frieza can just blow up the planet multiple times and than go to namek if the namekians try to help the zfighters. One thing I will say is that rof did try to force tension by having goku get knocked by a stupid Lazar in blue form where as vegeta had to lower his durabltiy just to get hurt by krillen. Multiple times in z mutliple things such as dende healing everyone drastically lowered the tension. I don't think having a lack of tension is bad as not everything has to be super danger all the time but if you don't consider it a critsim of z than it's not a critsim of super. I mean you could argue atmosphere but not tension.
@@Inviabledude45 I would disagree with the majority of your points. I think Z had a lot of tension in every arc and saga. I believe that your arguments are too heavily dependent on meta knowledge. For example, even if we choose to assume the protagonist will overcome the villain, that doesn't mean all of the tension of the story is loaded onto the cost of success (through side characters & other intangibles). Putting the protagonist into dire situations that look grim creates tons of tension, even if we know they won't cease to exist. This is because the series is about the journey not the destination. This is why Goku fighting Frieza on Namek, which is about to explode completely eclipses the Goku vs Golden fight in ROF. In ROF Frieza is not really taken seriously by anyone. Even when Goku gets shot he just gets a senzu bean and moves along. Compare that to how Vegeta acted in the Namek saga, where he was completely terrified of Frieza, and every engagement was a severe risk of death. If the main characters of your show aren't even intimidated by the villain then why should we be? As for the hypothetical suggestions like Goku using IT to deposit enemies into otherworld, we should probably just assume he can't or would not do that, since it never occurred. Cell had IT anyway, and maybe Buu would have destroyed it(?). It's also worth noting that the dragon balls have a long cooldown, and only work when the guardian is alive. If Earth were wiped out and then the guardian on new namek were killed then it might have even lead to an entire other journey to see if dragon balls existed on other planets (kind of like how GT went). Lastly, even if we say that the tournament of power had tension, its still only half of super, and a lot of it was fighting clowns that were unworthy of fully powering up. I still think it was pretty good, but comparing it to Z? It's no contest for me man.
@@Auxified what your talking about is atmorespere. Z had a more serious atmosphere and tone but zero tension. Super had more tension because beerus and their other opponents actually raised the stakes to the point where the namikan dragonballs simply wouldn't help the zfighters where in z even the end fight was won because of the namikian dragonballs. I mean at any point during the buu saga they could have just wished ultmaite gohan back into the fight with the dragonballs and win that way. Z creates fake tension for a more serious atmosphere. It's really the same as what rof did by making goku go down to a lazar( from krillen injuring vegeta the zfigthers have to actually lower their defense to be injured meaning goku just randomly decided be wanted to be Lazar level) the result is even though it leads to amazing moments like vegeta taking down frieza or the final spirit bomb to end the serious. The reason z felt more tense is because it also centered around the development of characters giving fights more meaning than just oh this character dies. For example even though the original fight with the androids with vegeta and goku's first super sayain fight with goku serve no stakes whatsoever they are still development moments for goku and vegeta which makes the fight feel more serious or more important than they really are. So overall what your comparing between super and z isn't tension but atmosphere and overall how they present the fights. Because when you look at the stories super actually has more tension because of who the villains are. Frieza actually knows about the namikan dragonballs and the dragonballs and as well as the ablity to breathe in space. Beerus is a litteral god and everytime goku talks to the omni king it could mean the end of the universe. It has more tension but the overall atmosphere is much lighter proably done on purpose because akriya toriyama figured that you cant really do a serious tone with ranking up states without it losing its impact. So even though super does rank up the states creating more tension it doesn't focus on this tension and more on how goku and the others react to it. Since vegeta isn't cocky and egotistical because oh my pride and goku overall is super light hearted it leads to a more upbeat atmosphere than serious atmosphere.
@@Inviabledude45 I agree with your points about atmosphere, but not about tension. I don't want to get too technical but it's probably important to do so. Tension is defined as the stress/strain from facing an opposing force. There are definitely points of high tension in Super, like you mentioned when Goku first talks to the grand zeno, and even picks him up, but these moments are rare. In my opinion fights like Goku vs Majin Vegeta had some of the largest tension in all of DB, because of Vegeta's struggle with his own ideals & goals. The serious atmosphere amplified this tension, especially when Goku starts charging a ki blast at Supreme Kai for interrupting. Conversely I think fights like Goku vs Golden Frieza in ROF lacked tension because it was blatantly one sided from the start. It could have been very different if the plot wasn't simply that Frieza comes to earth and gets smacked down by Goku with Vegeta calmly watching (until the cheeky laser part). Fake tension is an interesting concept. I assume what you mean by this is that the stress/strain the characters observe from the opposing force is not "valid". For example, why does death matter if the dragon balls can just revive someone? I would argue that this is just a natural part of the dragon ball experience. For example there was no need for Master Roshi to dramatically nearly sacrifice himself to take out a weakling. You are right that fake tension in Z exists to make the atmosphere more serious, but I would say this is just a flaw of the show granting so much power to undo negative outcomes, which certainly carries over into Super. In summary, I think that fights in DB should have tension, especially between the "main" characters. If they aren't struggling or suffering at all then it's kind of just a fight for fun, instead of a legitimate obstacle that deserves 100%. In this regard I think Super did alright, but Z delivers every time.
He didn't order it. He authorized it. Authorizing it means to give permission. Meaning, Frieza was like "do you care if I blow this planet up" and Beerus was like "sure, I don't care."
Really never understood the hate for Beerus. He has an interesting and inspired character design, an interesting Lil character progression in which we see him slowly care more about the people of earth, and he served as a gateway to expanding the dragon ball mythos. Yeah he had a touch too much screen time but there’s certainly worse characters.
Pokémaniac Guquiz Furries mean they like anthropomorphic characters, not that they like characters with fur. Having "fur" in its name only derives from most of said characters having fur back in the day.
Broly should've fought Beerus instead of Freeza, can you imagine the hype when the trailers would go BEERUS VS BROLY? It would also be much cooler to show Broly being on that level instead of having Goku saying that he is, the old 'show don't tell'
They don't want to do that because beerus is a goal to reach. If they ever make a definitive limit for Beerus, Goku's goal is gone besides "get strong" If "Beerus level" is ever reached, he will probably just have a "true power" or just train and become OP again.
Ok, i might understand what you're saying. But he's the one who started the Super series. So of course, he gets to be appearing as a main character and most Super intros
I like giving the public the first say on a character I'm analysing. I don't want to create the illusion that this character isn't loved. I even said I like him in this very video. Just because you like a character doesn't mean you can't point out issues they have. I try to be transparent in these videos. A lot of people when I made my Goku video never considered what I had to say about the character before. So if most people voted for yes on beerus... Perhaps I will say something that will offer a different perspective. If it doesn't... Then that's cool too.
@@TotallyNotMark Its ok, i just thought it was funny that the internet think otherwise. If i have to commend you for something is that you speak your own opinion regardless what people will think, even if its a controversial topic. Even though im not 100% agree with this video, i understand what are your coming from.
He also says that the two archs with the most tension are ToP and the Goku Black arch. But, that's not a good point, because the two prior are just bad retellings of the movies(so of course there would be no tension, you already know the outcome), and filler episodes. It feels like he had an issue with how Beerus was effecting the show, or how they used Beerus. But he was probably hoping with the poll, he wouldn't be alone in his feelings. A lot of this video has this tone that the poll didn't go as one sided as it actually did.
It's very much his excuse to push his own views. Majority loves Morro Arc = It's "problematic" Majority loves Gen 3 Pokemon = Here's why they should keep the Gen 1 design It's just a thing
(Haven't watch the video yet). In a series that was about reaching new heights in power, Beerus is the ever-present, unmovable, skill-ceiling that Super keeps banging it's head against with each arc.
Your analysis of this character gives me shivers. You see the trait of a character like no one else does. I love these type of videos you make. Please make more and we'll be gladly to give our opinions. Thank you
Beerus feels more like a plot device then anything. He's just there to move the plot along when Goku and friends are in dire straits. Wish he was able to do more. Like a arc dedicated to him bring the main focus with Goku helping him. Would give him more character
...how? He was only a plot device in the movie that was about him, and for a single episode when he destroyed Zamasu. That was it. Otherwise he just did his thing, threatened a person or two and ate food.
@@Zakjuh but he is? Anytime he does anything it boils down to that. He can do more without being a device. It doesn't matter if he hasn't done it alot. Because any other time he's not doing anything. He's either a plot device or nothing. Beerus even said it himself in the anime " you two rely on the gods too much" after zamasu was defeated. Let him fight a worthy enemy that is threatening him. Make a antitheses character to beerus. Someone that can challenge him without hakai being a factor.
You have to be a certain level of interesting to get me to turn on notifications and take pride in clicking AS SOON AS I SEE AN UPLOAD. Keep being great 🙏
Making a point to go back and rewatch all your content (priority to Dragon Ball) again. Sucks to see what happened over the holidays and sucks to not see as many videos come from your channel. With that, I know I a lot of us are waiting to hear more of your thoughts on the upcoming movie this April. You’re one of the biggest voices to a lot of folks on DB character progression and story/narrative arcs. Too understandable that you’re probably still apprehensive over the whole ordeal I’m sure you’re still battling. Regardless, have to let you know, the viewers still love you Mark. You’re a talented dude and we haven’t forgotten… Haven’t forgotten your talent, the joy you bring folks through your content, the knowledge or the deeper inter workings of plot that you impart, and your genuinely positive and hopeful spirit. Again man, looking forward to the next projects. Gonna keep supporting and running up the numbers on what you still have on the platform. Take care of yourself! Very Respectfully, Ken Recurrent Viewer
@DeadlyNeedle ! if you're angry, you are more likely to speak your mind about things, especially on the internet. If you are happy or content, people are more reserved because they have nothing to really say. Aside. "I'm happy with this because " but boy if someone is upset, they will let you n everyone know.
Lack of tienshinhan has been the real problem since buu. To be fair though, super had tense moments as well, specifically the first tournament and the goku black arc.
Having Beerus killed via outsmarted would be the best way to end his character and provide tension again. I don't think he should be beaten by Goku or Vegeta directly.
@@miketheq7739 He is actually not the strongest G.O.D so yea basically Jiren can beat him ultra Instinct Goku can beat him HECK the clown G.O.D can beat Beerus so yea he isn't the strongest also have you forgotten the grand priest whis any of the angels
@@miketheq7739 before the top in the anime whis says that jiren is stronger then the destroyer of universe 11 and that the destroyer of universe 11 is stronger than beerus
Nah, I love Beerus sitting around eating ice cream while a life and death struggle cemented in a genocidal grudge rages on next to him and well BENEATH his concern. Far from removing the tension, I felt like it grounded the ballooning stakes which was absolutely a problem coming out of the Buu saga. I actually enjoyed the fight more because it was a welcome break from the tired "And now this is the powerfullest most undeaftable villain we have ever faced" routine. The most powerful character was not involved in the fight... at all, and that alone made it better for me. It wasn't the end of the universe, it was just a fight between two of dragonball's greatest personalities, separate from the idea that only the highest power level mattered.
Yeah I need a video about one of my most hated "characters" in Dragon Ball. seriously Caulifla is honestly one of the worst characters ever introduced into Dragon Ball in a VERY long time
9:07 Here's the messed up thing tho, I feel beerus DOESN'T suck the tension out of everything In a world with 3 sets of wish granting orbs the tension in low key at a minimum compared to other shows like Naruto, Yugi oh, jojos, and even Hunter Hunter. In dbz if u die u can most likely be wished back and even prevent it in total by wishing for immortality and a stong body. It's y goku and vegeta got lucky zamasu became zamoku black or zamasu would be unbeatable. My point is if u die in dbz odds are u getting wished back, die in jojos, Naruto, or Hunter Hunter tho and they don't even HAVE dragonballs there, so it's either permanent or u have to go to great lengths to get that person back. Adding beerus to the mix I could argue STILL has tension because beerus don't do SHIT He won't step in and save goku or vegeta despite having the power to do so and that bugs me about HIM. Freiza was stomping on goku yet beerus just sat there eating a SUNDAE of all things😂 If beerus was known to be about that action and protect the Z fighters of COURSE I'd agree with u, but rn? Nah, cuz it's not like he would actually lift a finger to help for real, it's mainly whis.
Dude if anything you are saying that dbz was already bad, no need to make It worse and I agree. DBS didn't fix anything of the previous issues only gave people more of that sweet childhood drug
@@skfrederick5 it wasn't pascol smoli that had that feeling but ME Also, that's kinda what fan mangas are, as they give more justice to the characters than the official manga can
@@skfrederick5 u make it seem like U don't find anything wrong with the characters dude We say this because we want things CHANGED, that's the crux of the whole video u know? By watching this, u had 3 reasons, either supporting marks content despite not agreeing with him at all, or U have a couple qualms about some of the characters too.👍🏽
I'm a week late to this video, so I doubt anyone will see my comment. But with that said here is my opinion, I lost all sense of tension with the Dragon Ball series long before Beerus was introduced. Simply put the name is why, the dragon balls were for a majority of the time in the series what took away the tension, "Oh, half the universe is dead because of Freeza? Just wish them back to life with the dragon balls.". When the Universe Survival Arc began, I thought maybe their will be tension and stakes, but then it was revealed the super dragon balls were a prize. I knew immediately the wish was going to be bring back the erased universes, and for one last insult lets have the Zenos say this was the only wish we would allow. So ever since Beerus joined the show he has been my favorite character, and his style of comedy that sucks the tension dry actually makes me laugh because their wasn't any tension to begin with. The "problem" brought up in this episode was always in my eyes the writers having a laugh with the idea of their being tension in the show.
It's like a D&D campaign: If you've got one level 20 character and everyone else is level 5, you either have to create something for that player to have to deal with on their own, OR find a way to sideline them altogether. And neither of those options is usually very satisfying for the development of the group as a whole.
@@Goodbutevilgenius Bad DMs making bad decisions with NPCs, usually. I've heard plenty of stories, and seen it personally, where a DM wants to have crazily OP NPCs to wow the players, but simultaneously tanks the immersion and tension of the group by not giving the players satisfying reasons why they don't just handle the problem.
I was hoping for Beerus to be 2 sides of one coin: Beerus as a person who Goku and Vegeta would challenge, and the god of destruction that no mortal can touch or hurt. They could beat Beerus as a fighter, but never beat him as a god.
@@brunowillich1837 Sadly. Even though I think he's a better character than edgy 2 kool 4 skool bardock. That said, there's also clear parallels between him in Broly and Superman's father, which detracts from him.
I first started watching Dragon Ball when I was 11 (1996 Saturday mornings on upn I believe, in the usa) and have been watching it ever since. It's has been 24 years now and I'm not ashamed of it.
Much like you the first time I saw Beerus and learned who and how he was, I was pretty much immediately won over. And though it soon became stale, I do still love that he and Whis are so enamored by the food of Earth because it's so endearing and relatable to real human experiences of growing up knowing only your own cultural cuisine and then finding out about another culture's cuisine and discovering and falling in love with incredible new flavors/textures. And it grounds these incomprehensibly powerful deities in a really natural and tangible way without coming across as feeling forced.
His comic relief is a side effect of him not being able to do much else of note in the series because of his overwhelming strength. He's meant to be something for Goku and Vegeta to strive to beat, but until that time comes, he can't really do much else besides juxtapose his sheer power with comic relief
He doesn't. His entire existence invalidates the struggle of our heroes and makes each and every villain past and present a joke. That's not funny, that's retconning your story and transforming it into a case of "why fucking bother, then?".
@@DraculaCronqvist Why are you watching Dragon Ball for the plot? It's never been a serious story, it will never be a serious story. Watch for the lovable characters.
DraculaCronqvist I wouldn’t say that, even Whis could only turn back time, I think three minutes it was, so if they cocked up killing Frieza they would have been screwed and Berrus didn’t get involved either way. He and Whis while fond of our guys exist out side of what happens to them. TOP kind of bridged that gap a bit, by tying his existence to our fighters. We will just have to wait and see. The writing in this series is very immature to be honest. But I do enjoy his animated personality.
The problem I have with the character and also "super" in general, is the fact that goku and vegeta are actually succeeding in reaching beerus's power level..beerus is essentially a god, and because of him ,Goku and vegeta become so disgustingly powerful that I find the action extremely boring now...all the sporting characters are basically irrelevant at this point..and when they do get involved..it's not believable anymore. I didn't get why I was getting so much more existed to watch goku and piccolo VS raditz, rather then goku and vegeta vs Jiren.. I would've preferred if goku wouldn't being able to reach beerus's level to create a point of frustration for him and motivate him to train further.
He’s an awesome character who is too powerful to be allowed to impact the plot in any meaningful way. Unless they end up with some sort of angel rebellion he’ll never get to do anything important.
I feel like Beerus best represents the problems that all long-running series have. The longer a series goes on, the harder and harder it gets to stay consistent, and even though it's still possible to have good ideas the farther you go, those good ideas could clash or not mesh well with other good ideas established earlier.
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What do you think? Does Beerus serve Dragon Ball Super well?
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You shoulda used the cartoon bonk effect for jiren. But other that that, amazing video!!
Great video! Just wondering if a hit video would be possible? I feel as if he needs the spotlight
Can we get a discord
Beerus: *falls asleep and leaves the Kais on their own*
Buu: “It’s free real estate”
Skylerz It really isn’t. It’s the top comment.
Skylerz oh
Funny thing is, he was obviously awake when he allowed Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta, A LOT of time after Buu's rampage, which East Kai must have informed him about. So why didn't he immediately go to Earth and destroy Majin Buu's orb? Given that the monster was still alive and had showed interest in killing his life link partner, Beerus - also given his personality - should have IMMEDIATELY dealt with him.
And let's not get started with why the Kais didn't think about waking him up to fight Buu to begin with. He's not very kind with those who disturb him during his naps, true, but the Kais (for obvious reasons) shouldn't be worried about getting hurt by him.
When will these style of memes stop.
Fred Marble because retconning is terrible in anime and leaves way too much to “why didn’t this happened before?”
Well because writing is bad lol
Beerus really does embody an actually cat:
-He likes you for food.
-He acts "neutral" but actually likes everyone he knows.
-He sleeps for amazing periods of time.
-He also "hates" everyone he knows.
-And he doesn't look threatening at all.
This character is great.
Well, he's actually based on Toriyama's cat, so that shouldn't come as a surprise.
Pretty sure that was the entire point of his personality.
@@Tyrian3k he sure loves basing characters off of his cats. Korin was also inspired by a cat of his.
That sounds like me.
The anime would be dead without him.
When they left beerus with the baby I laughed because he literally got the piccolo treatment but piccolo actually had a role in the movie
William Jackson role is a very strong word.
Headshredder a supporting role is still a role none the less
Dominus man Gohan never even got a cameo in the movie they could showed is reaction to Broly’s energy
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 he served the role for showing vegeta the fusion
But they made Piccolo weak First , beerus Just did not care about Freeza being there or not
Beerus' character is totally fine, the problem is they gave him WAY too much screen time. As one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse, his presence should carry a lot of weight and be used sparingly. They should have used his nonchalant and gluttonous attitude as a reason to keep him off screen, and allow Whis to interact with Goku and Vegeta by himself while Beerus is off doing things he finds more worthy of his time. There's no reason a god of destruction should have been turned into some guy that just casually hangs out with mortals all the time because he has nothing better to do. Narratively, nothing would change if you removed Beerus from 95% of the scenes involving Whis, Goku, and Vegeta, but his status as a character to be respected would have still been intact. As a destroyer god, Beerus shouldn't be sitting around watching any fight he claims to not have an interest in who the winner is, he should be treated as someone who's above the squabbles of mortals, only appearing when his interest in a fight is genuinely piqued, whether it be because of the entertainment value he'd find in the fight or because the stakes or so high he can't ignore it. This way Beerus' presence during a conflict would signify that an event carries serious weight, instead of his presence simply sucking all the tension out of the fight because big uncle Beerus could just step in and save his friends.
Agreed, Death Note did it correctly with Ryuk, he always made it very clear he didn't care what happened he was just there for the entertainment and they wrote him as such. If Ryuk stepped in to help/influence Light anytime he was in trouble or couldn't figure out what to do it would of made the show way less enjoyable.
But earth food
I think some of this is relatively skewed since 3/5 arcs of Super do need Beerus' presence. The U6 fight and the ToP do need Beerus to be a spectator.
He's been mostly forced to watch fights rather than pop in and watch it. But it really does feel weird during Resurrection F and Black Sagas, where we know that Beerus could end the entire plot before it begins because he is literally chillin with Bulma.
WELL FUCKING SAID THIS IS THE APPROACH THEY SHOULD START TAKING ITS NOT TOO LATE EITHER
@@WrathofFenrir99 And the funny part is that even when the characters willingly use the big dragon-like genie figure (Shenron, Porunga, whatever) as a safety net, it doesn't suck up the tension because the process of grabbing the McGuffins is where the tension is put instead, and this is made clear in the Namek arc.
Beerus is most definitely biased lol he pretends he’s not but he clearly cares for the earth and the earthlings he’s met
As long as you bribe him with food you're good
Yeah I wish Beerus was truly neutral, would add more tension imo and I really like the concept of it :)
Brent Pilgrim the only reasons is they are friends,goku is the grand zenos’ best friend and earth is his buffet for his literal god level hunger
I personally believe Beerus may be in search of a replacement. Whis seems to give less of a shit than Beerus, yet he takes time out to train Vegeta and Goku. Beerus while extremely lazy is still a deity with the wisdom and patience as such along with a lack of social apathy that could be theorized as usual for such a being. With Goku and Vegeta being nearly powerful enough they are seemingly not there yet mentally. Beerus is merely a shepherd(albeit lazy) allowing his apprentice to tend the flock.
@@aprogamer8944 I agree except the wheis part, I believe hes just preparing goku and vegeta to just take over the whole universe. Avengers type of thing, and like you say they'll just take care of the flock.
Beerus and Whis
Beer and Whiskey
A couple of beers will give you a buzz but shots of whiskey will get you tipsy. I like how it parallels with their strength levels too. Whis is just that much stronger.
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I think the ToP used Beerus well by literally restraining him, forcing him to learn to respect those who do not have a same power level, but similar determination. I think that lets the audience benefit from his personality and put him through a growth arc without many of the problems you discussed in this video.
Baikanon I think you have a point. The ToP gave us an arc where Beerus no longer is a safety net and the cast has to win with no win buttons or get out of jail free cards. I don’t think he’s a bad character, and even if he has problems, he could’ve been so much worse.
Baikallllnon well said, that's exactly how I felt about him TOP...Beerus' fear of erased and his life being dependent on mortals really made him a interesting..and that made him value Goku's ultra instinct, Vegeta battle with Toppo and Jiren or Gohan and Frieza teaming up to defeat Dyspo...or Even Master Roshi's final fight...made Beerus interact with everyone...I love the scene where Beerus says "Here he comes" while Goku awakening of ultra instinct...Beerus carries a realm.of reverence around him...every word he says was important in Tournament of power...really loved Tournament of power and characters like Beerus, Jiren, Golden Frieza, 17..loved how they executed the arc...
Yea when Beerus gave props and acknowledged Master Roshi (the character with the lowest power level on the team) and had respect for him real proves your point. Great observation. Toriyama made a paragon character go through growth and it worked lol
yah know...i actually haven't thought of that. that's brillant! This is brillant!!
@@fellasmann Can't the Omni-King be considered a safety net?
That’s kinda a problem for most of the characters that get introduced in this series. They play a great part in the arc that was made for them and then Toriyama tries to figure out what to do with them going forward. Sometimes he finds a place for them, sometimes they’re just there to be there and sometimes he forgets they’re a thing
The thing is that they typically get surpassed before they become pointless. Beerus has yet to be overcome and is still just there
@@tiablue9106 like jiren being already stronger than Beerus even though we haven't seen Beerus fighting for real. That's really disappointing.
@@brolysupersaiyan1634 Source? I doubt that Jiren is stronger than Beerus.
@@Beos_Valrah source is fucking everyone.
He has basically forgotten everybody except Goku and Vegeta. Remember back during Z when Gohan was being set up as the new star to replace Goku, and now he's just a background character? Or Piccolo, who hasn't been relevant since early Cell saga?
When you realise Goku has spent more time with uub than goten
Lmao. The end of this video made me think of this.
Goku has spent more time with Uub than he has with both Gohan AND Goten, when you think about it.
@@SBaby he spent like a whole year in the time chamber
HeyNateTheGreat he also spent 3 years with gohan when preparing for the androids at the start of the saga
@@SpoonyBard-mx1ve oh yea! forgot bout that cause of the timeskip
I don’t feel like Beerus removes tension because it was already gone. Once Dragonball got to the point where each enemy represented a threat to all life on Earth the characters could no longer lose, and if they did the Dragonball’s would fix it.
that's one of the reasons why Z technically stopped after the Cell saga. Going further was a mistake, at least the way they did
@Jordan Vance maybe they should retcon. I know that's usually not a good thing, but it may just help the franchise in that case.
@@icjet1ks That's the reason I think Buu's saga worked, though. Majin Buu's overpowered nature created the drama and tension the saga's known for, and him destroying the Earth and Dragon Balls as soon as he could while no one could do shit about it felt extremely tense and fresh.
@@umcaraqualquer3640 every villain was very OP at some point, the tension in the Buu saga feels weird and unnatural unlike Frieza 's and Cell's sagas where it feels realistic, I dont know why
@Jordan Vance gt ain’t canon
I think he’s a good character he just don’t do shit
Just like Gohan after the Cell Games.
XxMajinxX and also what can Beerus do? You’re telling me you’d be contempt with watching Beerus take out every villain that appears?
@@Dh2cool487 at least 1
@@Dh2cool487 kinda wanna see Beerus vs Moro tho
@@Dh2cool487 content*
The real problem of the character is that he's trash in Fighterz
He got some buffs
Eeeh not so much anymore. Hes still low tier but atleast his DP is actually a properly functioning DP now
Isn’t he good for zoning?
And xenoverse 2
@@hasanalharaz7454 nope, Broly and basically anyone with a beam like projectile are far better; even Frieza. His orbs aren't really zoning tools, they're for okizeme and some cool combos
I think Beerus himself is a good character. He's funny and entertaining and imposing all at the same time. But they just didn't really know how to use him effectively past the Battle of Gods arc in my opinion.
Nerdy George Washington Beerus is a neutral. He’s role in the anime is to destroy worlds to maintain balance. How else would you want them to use him? As a Z fighter? If so frieza would be long dead. Same with zamasu.
@James Godby Which is the dilemma for writing Beerus. If he needs to be involved, then you're beyond Goku's ability to yell himself into a new hairstyle. Beerus' power is so far beyond everyone that he is better used for dramatic storytelling, but when you have a series based on people fighting each other, Beerus engaging would rob tension because of his God-level power. The series can't use him for what his character is actually good at and doesn't want to spend time with what he could actually contribute to a story.
@@skfrederick5 Which is exactly the problem.
He messes up the threats of the villains by existing there.
If he steps in, the enemy in question is done for unless they have a way to properly counter a Destroyer God
0:39 The comments sections tend to be more negative than the polls or ratings b/c they're basically the bitching areas of the internet. Content people often have nothing to say.
big FACTZ
Melon Baller Who pissed in your Frosted Flakes?
@Melon Baller You're trying to find an argument that doesn't exist. You basically just confirmed everything I stated since there were no opinions at all in my comment, genius.
jp3813 he’s true though
@@vegitodev A true oversensitive prick who puts words in people's mouths.
Beerus is a case of a good character the writers don't know how to use. As you said, he's often there to be there, but his presence also means that problems can be introduced that only he's capable of solving. How ridiculously amazing would it have been that if instead of Goku literally pressing a win button at the end of the Black saga, Beerus instead shows up -- he states that the score between him and Zamasu is 1-1, and that he was of a mind to settle it, and that the circumstances now give him the opportunity to prove just how unfit Zamasu is to call himself a god. Zamasu, drunk on power, says that Beerus is no longer able to hold a candle to him, but after a brief struggle likely suggesting Zamasu is right, Beerus suddenly reveals he's been screwing with him and blinks him and the nightmare he's created out of existence, once and for all. In response to the cast's baffled reaction, Beerus dismissively reminds them that he's the god of destruction; there is nothing that has been created that cannot therefore be destroyed.
This re-establishes Beerus' place in the story, and also as a threat should he one day feel the same way about any of the other characters -- because Beerus' ability is not limited to numbers, there's always a way he could defeat Goku if he wanted to, no matter how powerful Goku had become. It also downplays the "team pet" role he's been shoved into, a reminder that he's unpredictable and capricious, and therefore dangerous; he's _not_ the protagonists' friend. What would Goku do if Beerus decided that he was the latest victim of his whimsy?
I'd argue that Trunks getting a win -- in a different fashion than Spirit Bomb Sword -- would have been a better way to do it, but supposing they did the shitshow they did anyway, a lot of people would have had different feelings about that shitshow if Beerus was essentially used the same way as Zeno is, but because Beerus has indirect investment in Zamasu's defeat -- Zamasu has led to his demise in Zamasu's timeline, and he's made something of a mockery of him in the process -- and because Beerus is still a regular feature in the plot, it'd be more satisfying to have him handle the matter, and to have a "refreshing" of his character and his place in the story. Most people loved his handling of his own timeline's Zamasu; a callback to that and to the fact that Goku still has a tangible background threat would have been looked upon largely favorably, I feel. Plus, it gets around Dragon Ball's perpetual catch-22, of who the "strongest" character is; what makes this Beerus dangerous is that it doesn't matter _how_ "strong" his opponent is. Not only is Goku unproven to be more outright powerful than Beerus is, it would imply that even if he were, he could still _lose_ to Beerus. This also puts a higher emphasis on how Dragon Ball can best get around its catch-22, via an emphasis on strategy and exploiting an opponent's weaknesses; if Goku had to avoid the looming threat that is Beerus' win condition, how would he fight him, if he had to? These are the questions that get people having nerdy conversations at the proverbial water cooler.
Beerus was the best part of Battle of Gods -- although Vegeta is certainly second -- and for good reason. But like many of Toriyama's characters, he was introduced for a specific purpose, and once that purpose was exhausted, so to did his role in the story. That doesn't mean the character itself is a problem; much like many of the now neglected characters in the series, if more was written specifically to feature him, instead of put him there for the sake of doing so, we'd be reminded of what was so enjoyable about him in the first place, and he has more going for him than most characters, besides; his status as an X-factor can keep him fresh and intriguing, but his poor utilization and token inclusions have hurt him more than anything.
....*holy shit*, do you write by any chance?
Beerus would be so much better as what he is: a God of Destruction, less of a person with clear-cut motivations and interests and more so the embodiment of the very nature of destruction itself, with enough character and personality to make interactions with other characters interesting.
I love Beerus to death. And the way I see it is like this: it’s the Turtle and the Hare.
He is better, faster and stronger but Is lazy.
Goku and Vegeta are slowly catching up, bc they choose to keep improving and moving forward, while Beerus lays and sleeps. Him being a constant threat n never involving helps
Wow you put more thought into his character than Toriyama ever did lol
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 How do you know that?
"Him being a constant threat n never involving helps."
This would've been a much better direction for his character arc since the start, instead of 'redeeming' him in one movie's time.
He's no longer that unpredictable factor that could bite you in the neck when you ask for help. He's just a plot device, and exists solely to help move the key players into position, or as a deux ex machina.
Funny coincidence is Goku is of the Turtle School
Vile Weasel because the character was invented by someone else and Toriyama took it over misinterpreted his name and Toriyama’d the character up. All of Toriyamas characters are surface level there isn’t much depth to any of them.
Lack of Ten Shin? Yeah, he is missing a lot of times
"They needed Whis as his involment was crucial for the conclusion"
Actually i think he wasn't needed at all, they could have let Vegeta win for once in that moment. The fact that they used Whis for time travel, to me, feels like they NEEDED to do something with those characters, otherwise they would have been useless to the plot
Finally, someone agrees!
They needed Whis to rob Vegeta of a win because God-forbid anybody but Goku gets to save the day. It's like the only way in which Vegeta is allowed to surpass Goku is in being a damn father.
True idk what was the point of the earth being blown up and goku having to Kamehameha freeza after receiving 80% of the screen time
@@Sharikacatlol even picclo and gohan have defeated main villins and all vegeta ever gets in terms of W is killing fodder villins and goons lol
@@seaking9283 when has piccolo ever defeated a main villain? (assuming u actually mean MAIN villain and not like raditz or smth)
I find it funny how lack of tension is such an issue when we're talking about a series where all consequences are just fixed by "Oh we have dragon balls"
tbh if a threat is, well, threatening enough then the dragon balls wouldn't rlly matter. that's why future trunks' timeline was so fucked
@@tiablue9106 only cause he didnt know about the dragonballs on planet namek
@@tiablue9106 Use the Dragon Balls to teleport the androids into space. As far as we know, they still function like humans, and since they bleed, they likely also need oxygen. Doesn’t matter how powerful and fast you are if you die of lack of oxygen.
Or you know, just wish for immortality on any of the main cast, preferably a Saiyan.
That’s the issue with the dragon balls, they were way too easy to get ahold of for how easily they could shut down just about any antagonist. They just always chose not to because…..reasons, probably pride or something idk.
@@MayHugger it pretty much is pride yeah. bc when bulma suggested they use the dragon balls in a practical manner (finding gero and stopping him from creating the androids), vegeta & co. rejected the idea for reasons of that nature. like ig that covers that 1 situation, but there's also the "rule" introduced in the saiyan arc where they said the dragon balls have no influence over beings more powerful than the dragon. I put "rule" in quotes bc this is never expanded on in detail, which would rly help clarify why they don't use the dragon balls to take out more threats
@@tiablue9106 Yeah I agree they really should have gone into more detail on what Shenron can and can’t affect regarding those stronger than him. Cause sometimes it felt a little inconsistent, since he could forcibly take a bomb from Android 18 and Android 17, but couldn’t return them to being human despite being able to return planets from being completely destroyed (that one might just be Parunga, but it’s not like they aren’t as easily accessible thanks to Instant Transmission). Parunga apparently couldn’t teleport Goku to Earth against his will after Namek was destroyed but could do so for everyone else on Namek, including Piccolo and Vegeta who would definitely be WAAAY more powerful, with Vegeta wanting to fight Frieza and so would likely have been unwilling, and since the wish was specified to exclude Goku and Frieza, it makes me think at that time it might have been able to forcibly teleport them as well. The ‘rule’ really needed fleshing out.
Now on situations where they don’t do things because of their pride, while I understand why they wouldn’t use the Dragon Balls to solve the issue, that doesn’t remove the fact they could easily use them to do so, and so the tension does a feel a little fake, at least in my opinion.
“I will not let you destroy my world.” Always shakes me to the core, it was like Goku and Frieza again. The stakes were there, and incredible adversity. With Beerus’ stance of neutral, it shows an interesting arc, because I think he honestly hates it after awhile. He has IMMENSE power but he’s not entirely allowed to do anything, and EVEN WITH this power he’s still outclassed by angels and Zeno. I think that’s the great thing with his and Gokus relationship, someone is always stronger. He wants to make Goku the next bad ass in the universe or at least that’s what I think.
I'm sorry, I agree, but at the same time, I just find the way he said it funny because it's so rapid fire. It's more like "III WILLNOTLETYOUDESTROYMYWORRRLD". Like it's a serious situation and serious line but I can't help but laugh.
@@the_enderslayer Thats one of DBZ's biggest problems with the Dub its not badass its just bad acting.
Deus1008
Yeah no. Some cheesy lines but it's mostly well performed
@@Deusmach1008 So, the grandma shriek is badass?
@@babyorenji4211 yes....yes it is. By the sheer fact that that grandma is 80 years strong and still belting out screams on par with Schemmel the shmuck.
Personally, i like beerus's character. It is intresting along with his place in the db universe.....BUT HIS VOICE (so soothing)
Geddermed Geddy which one
@@tastedivinefury2198 aLl Of ThEm
tAsTe DiVinE fUry both but English just hits different
JetTheHawkpwns
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As well as a whis. Whis's voice is the definition of an angel.
"Imagine how suspenseful Freeza's defeat of Goku would have been, had Vegeta been the only one left to settle things"
Not very suspenseful at all. We know that Freeza's tired, injured, and burning through energy at an alarming rate.
We know Vegeta's been training alongside Goku. Freeza had no chance, and we can see that when Vegeta casually beats him like a Freeza Soldier.
Beerus wasn't the issue with that movie. The issue was Freeza's new form was a joke. We're told it's 'stronger than Blue', but it never really proves it, and in the end Freeza has to get in a cheap shot(in such a stupid way) to beat Goku.
Freeza's power crapping out is what really killed the tension. If Goku had been backed into a corner, and required Vegeta's help to stand a chance against Freeza, forcing them to work together(ala Super Broly) this would have been WAY better.
Removing Beerus doesn't remove how little tension Freeza delivers, when he's running out of gas, and has to get help from his henchmen to not get his ass handed to him any further.
Atsuko Kagari the problem with Frieza wasn’t his power running out but the fact that he surpassed every Super Saiyan level in 4 months. He went from less than SSJ (Frieza saga) to higher than SSJ Blue in 120 days training with a guy barely at Zarbon and Dodoria’s level.
Luis Brito So, you're saying if his power boost had been properly earned, and felt justified.
You would have no issue with him running out faster than the Switch's battery life, and getting his ass handed to him by Goku? (until he cheats, so Vegeta can then beat him up with no effort)?
My thoughts exactly OP.
Beerus wasnt the reason there was no tension. The movie did a good enough job on it's own with that. And Beerus' existence didnt stop DBS:Broly from having tension.
I mean he was beating gokus ass till he got tired...i thought it was pretty clear he was stronger.
That and the whole premiss was "Oh look, it's Goku's most iconic adversary that he only talked to for about an hour (being generous) and had no previous history with back from the dead, but more powerful, because reasons. Yaaay...."
Beerus is my favorite. Your suggestion that he's like a father watching kids fight is spot on. Very godlike. I love that perspective while the world is on the brink of destruction.
For me, Beerus made it painfully obviousd that even if there is a much stronger character around on a 'good' side, it's still Goku who gets all the spotlight.
This overwhelmingly powerful character was reduced to be a guy commenting things on the sidelines and a comic relief. With not a single fight after BoG.
Also you made a great point that Beerus and Whis caused a lack of tension. With that in mind, it's all the more ridiculous that DBS creators made it much worse with introduction of Zeno.
Remember when we though his name was Bills? What a wild time. Also, Champa is best boy.
In my country's dub, he is still called Bills
... champa? you kidding me bro
Bills and Beerus are written and pronounced the same in Japanese
Bills Nye the destruction guy
Yeah my dub calls it Bills and after calling him Beerus for a while it feels weird to see people call him Bills.
"He also provides a massive downside that Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z never had to contend with. A lose of tension."
I would say the dragon balls themselves did that plenty. You know, the things the series is named after? Someone dies? No problem. Just wish them back. Personally, I'd like it to be written in the show somehow that the regular dragon balls get destroyed/deactivated permanently or something, and the super dragon balls are the only remaining namesake artifacts of the show. I like the idea behind the super dragon balls. They're far more powerful than the regular dragon balls, yet they alleviate far less tension than the regular ones. The regular dragon balls, are the main casts play thing that they've grown to completely take for granted now, while the super dragon balls present themselves with a heavy restriction of usage in that you basically can't use them without the aid of the gods.
The problem with Super is that they have both, Beerus (and Whis) as well as the regular dragon balls. I'd prefer Beerus to replace the regular dragon balls as the thing the main cast uses as a crutch. Because unlike the regular dragon balls, Beerus is sort of a wild card. He may not agree with you. He may not be your friend in a particular situation. He may choose to be lazy and not lift a damn finger. He may outright get angry at you and become your enemy. Where as, the dragon balls, you just gather them fuckers and wish for whatever the hell you damn want (okay, not whatever you want, but still...).
The Dragon Ball franchise, as its name implies, needs to have dragon balls in them. In DB and Z, there were only the regular ones, so they couldn't be replaced. But now there's super dragon balls. If those were the only ones, the main cast couldn't use them as a crutch. There could easily be plotlines where the cast has to convince the deities to let them use them, which would obviously be met with great resistance.
LightyearGaming that plan can’t work considering that the dragon balls were deactivated once and all they did was create new ones. At this point, I’m ok with better writing rather than “stakes.” Dragon Ball worked well at the beginning without them.
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko It can be written in the show that they can no-longer create new ones. We're talking about creative writing at the end of the day, which is only limited by the imagination of people writing in the show. I'm certain there's a way to write out the regular dragon balls from the show. I can think of several ways on a whim.
the dragonballs never removed tension, they just allowed status quo to return in the end
they gave the story an "all's well ends well" for the heroes... but only if they "earned" it
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Then, the show’s name wouldn’t make sense anymore. Besides, they activated the dragon balls several times now that I checked up. So, Dende no longer being able to create more will be seen as convenient for the plot.
And New Namek has still its set of dragon balls. Taking out the Earth’s Dragon Balls will just move the scenario to space. And if we remove them as well, then the title would make even less sense.
The dragon balls should be the items around which the plot goes. You can’t do it with the Super Dragon Balls. Too big, too hidden in two universes, and limited by language. It worked with Zamasu because he was a god, but he still needed Zuno to know their location ( And we still don’t know how in heaven he moved those things across two universes ). Though, you can’t bring more evil gods out nowhere that magically knows about the SDB. Even Beerus didn’t know much about them while Champa was probably helped by Vados in that regard.
The Earth’s dragon balls never removed stakes as they can’t do anything to beings stronger than their creator, so pretty much no one. They are meant to restore the status quo AFTER the battle, which we don’t know they’ll win.
For much of dbz the dragon balls were out of commission or were threatened by an enemy or earth destroying event
I laughed at that intro, Props to whomever did that intro.
I really like Beerus as a character. Somehow, "God is competent and can totally save you, but just doesn't care enough about you or your problems to get involved in your bullshit." seems like a new direction for Dragon Ball. I like it. I never felt like a cold and uncaring god watching over deflated the tension in Resurrection F.
Problem is the possibility.
If Beerus ended up fighting in Resurrection F, Frieza is done for.
Seeing Frieza shitting himself at seeing Beerus messes up his threat there.
The problem with this flaw of Beerus is that the heroes are always gonna win lol. If the series ends it’s gonna be on a high note, not a villain loss.
"There is no point to this character being on the sidelines watching this fight"
Isn't that like...90% of Dragonball? It's different -- typically these people are too weak to make a difference rather than too strong to care -- but it's the same problem.
Not really
Too weak people cant make a diffrence to tension
I didn't like him until he erased Zamasu, after that I started to like him.
hakai
REEEEEEE-ded
I wouldn't mind a stand alone beerus movie, and the story of him, and his brothers rise of them becoming gods. I think a origin story would bring some light back to him that his fans could enjoy.
That’s not Toriyamas style.
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 What are you talking about? Have you never heard of History of Trunks, or Bardock: Father of Goku?
The Alien Bardock wasn’t written by Toriyama bro. He wrote minus in 2010 and it sucked dick. Trunks had a backstory because it was necessary to explain what in the fuck was going on and it’s the one time Toriyama really got into someone’s backstory. Never before or since did he actually go out of his way to draw a person backstory, not with King Piccolo, Tao, The Crane Hermit, The Red Ribbon Army, Frieza, Dr. Gero, King Cold, King Vegeta, Vegeta, 17 and 18, he kinda drew Buus backstory but not in a stand-alone manga, it was just a flashback so ima count that too. I’m convinced the only reason he drew Trunks’ story is because it was waaaaay too much to explain in just dialogue.
Eh, better to keep it a mystery. Part of what makes Beerus work is how he came out of nowhere to the audience but was apparently always there as a OP threat. The more light we put on his story, the more questions we have to answer.
Headshredder dragon Ball minus being good or not it’s a matter of perspective and personal opinion. More like you don’t like it rather than it “sucks”
Mark: toyotaro keeps using the same character pose for in every manga.
*mark's last 40 videos*
If having big faces in thumbnails wasn't a must in order to please the algorithm is do something different. :P they bore me too
@@TotallyNotMark Frankly, I like them. Its your artwork, right, Mark? Regardless of whether it is or isn't, they're great pieces and unmistakably point to it as a TNM video for me.
@@TotallyNotMark Thats hillarious.
@@TotallyNotMark they are really nice artworks and I find it incredible how you are able to draw so well like how you pose characters and you are able to make that pose feel real, its something I've been trying for months and I still dont get the hang of it but I just keep noticing that in your thumbnails the character is always with his side of back to the the thumbnail and looking behind himself, looking directly to us😂
Beerus reminds me of a bitter middle-aged man with three ex-wives, his own successful burger joint, and a fondness for cheap booze
He's a great character
Now we need a Nyan cat edit with Beerus
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Name a more iconic duo than mark and asking his Twitter followers.
Well in KM Weiland's book 'Creating Character Arcs' she writes about John Truby's anatomy of story
Shrek and Donkey
Mickey Mouse and Goofy
Twitter and canceling someone who did nothing wrong.
@@PalPlays *t h i s*
Frieza - * DAMN YOU!!!!*
*Beerus continues to eat his Sundae*
Frieza should have revealed that Beerus ordered for the destruction of planet Vegeta in the movie Resurrection F as a last ditch effort to save his own neck.
Ty for the all likes btw :D
I RexZero I Now that they didn’t and he’s still alive he should bring it up again and we might see Vegeta get enraged and a Vegeta Vs Beerus brawls.
he didn't order it. he gave his approval, whis whispered that beerus wanted to destroy planet vegeta.
@@techno0suck3r Frieza is no stranges to lying to further his goals
Would be awesome . Something that freiza would do anyway
Lol I don't think that would've saved him... that would've made Beerus destroy on the spot
I agree with him removing tension from most scenes, but I loved every scene he was in. He even elevated the tension in crucial scenes in the show. When he confronts zamasu, when he threatens to kill goku, and when he warns frieza after he trapped goku in the Hakai. I hope we see more of his serious side.
There was never I repeat NEVER has been a moment where we thought Goku was going to lose and the world/universe us destroyed FOR GOOD!!beerus has not changed that fact! Beerus is a great character
That’s why the tension is pretty lost. Since we know Goku will win, there’s no tension. They need for us to make them hate the character. Hajime No Ippo does this right by making the characters lose in some fights, which makes us guess if they’ll actually win or lose, even the main character. Horikoshi does this right with My Hero Academia by making the characters have to escape the fight to win, or make us hate the villain. If Dragon ball made us hate the villains, the ending would feel way more satisfying. If Goku would actually lose or at least make us doubt that he’ll lose, then the show would have more tension.
And also the Dragon Balls. When a character dies, we know that he, she will come back to life, so the tension is not there anymore.
@@Jiboby most characters in super have already died more than twice but the problem of there being no tension to the show as been a problem since the beginning of Z
@@RobinDaHoodV2 Honestly I think Toriyama should just find a way to get rid of the Dragon Balls or at least make it harder to attain everytime. Yeah... that would be a good story arc, imagine... the Destroyer God Beerus sees that Earthlings have become too reliant on the Dragon Balls to fix their problems and this has caused an imbalance in the universe. King Kai has failed, the Supreme Kais have failed, Earthlings have grown to become lazy, weak and ungrateful because they know the worlds problems would be solved just like that.
He believes that by erasing the Dragon Balls from existence, Earthlings will start to rely on their own strength instead of being given cheap handouts and balance would finally be restored. He believes he is doing humanity a good service. Idk it just sounds like a cool concept to me, it might actually bring some much needed tension to DBS.
@@H432-v6w Didn’t GT did same thing with the Shadow Dragons Saga?
The only time Beerus actually battled was in Battle of Gods
and with the monaka costume thing
And he held back. Like imagine he just Hakai'd Goku lol
@@MiniiNinja he held back in battle of gods
He fought the other GoDs in an exhibition match for Zeno in the manga. The anime really missed out on adapting this because they were ahead.
@@SeaHorseOfTH-cam And Beerus didn't even fight Broly.
I don't see him as a problem character, he's a bridge to expanding the universe and future threats the DB fighters can explore. Entertaining video though 😎
So he's a bridge to more powerlevel? I don't really think that's what DB needed. That's exactly what ruined DB, we needed smaller stakes and less power. Enough with galaxy destroyin punch and ruler of universe wannabes.
Pascal Simioli “power levels” aren’t a thing since Frieza saga
Except the concepts of what they are still remain.
Did you watch the video? That was largely part of his point. Beerus needs to be around to allow for the universe expansion and plot, but he doesn't have anything to do, so he's just a sideline character who is a problem for the writers because they don't really have anything for him to do.
@@Auxified Of course I watched it, otherwise I wouldn't have said anything lol. My point was that Beerus is a god, gods don't intervene at wordly problems. He didn't stop Vegeta from blowing up that planet of innocents (I think they were 😁) or the Namekians being slaughtered, or any other atrocities that happen. I'm simply saying his position doesn't allow him to do anything unless it pertains to his role
Imo the single greatest moment of beerus is when he intervenes with zamasu and destroys him
Beerus' best scene was when he actually did his job. XD
This doesn’t stop him being my favorite character in the series
Personally, I think the perfect solution for Beerus is to have him asleep for when he isn't needed. After all he is a cat, and it's already been established that he sleeps all the time. I think it would be very plausible for him to just be taking a nap so that he and Whis aren't attached at all times. I think that would take away most if not all of the moments where there's nothing for him to do in a scene but he's shoehorned in.
Beerus is fine, the character(s) we need to get rid of is Zen-Oh.
We need to get rid of all of Super's characters. They're all trash because of what they represent - the invalidation of already established characters. Nothing the heroes and villains do matters anymore if there are multiple nigh all-powerful beings who can kill you and everything to have ever existed.
@@DraculaCronqvist by that retarded logic Z in general shouldn't exist since it turned a regular adventure action shounen into "duh my number is bigger than yours and I can destroy a planet, bow before me duh" nonsense.
Oh wait Z is childhood for nostalfags so is untouchable.
@@DraculaCronqvist the same could be said for Z to an extent lol DB has always been like this, where have you been?
@@DraculaCronqvist but when Z does it, it's okay. Seems legit.
DraculaCronqvist Correct 💯
Universal problem: exists
Beerus: y'all hear sumn?
Max Alain moro : exists
Beerus : i miss the part that’s was my problem
I absolutely loved Beerus in Battle of Gods, but Super has kind of ruined him
His best moment was his hakai against zamasu other then that he pretty much did nothing but i don't think that ruins his character at all he is powerful and lazy so he is in character by not doing much in super except be lazy and sleep like his character is.
Yea there with you. I like beerus. Just don't like super.
I see you the problem is just he’s too powerful and is supposed to be neutral. He’d end every arc immediately if he got involved. So the writers can’t use him if they’re trying to build any kind of tension.
I think when the manga showed that beerus was like the 3rd strongest G.O.D there in the fight they had
@@glennabraham2345 I disagree. Beerus can be used in tension building. Example: Imagine if we got a villian that beat beerus in battle after BOG but before the TOP. That would build Major tension and would get us back those Z days of where its just up to Goku and frinds to save the day.
"I will not let you destroy my world" that scene went hard asf I'll never forget it
Beerus and Whis are the two best characters that have been added in a long while and seeing them is always great.
They are great for funny moments and gags but you got to be honest they don’t do shot to help out their universe
@@draico4265 If they did, people would complain that they solve every problem for the other characters.
Hello, Totally Not Mark is already accusing them of sucking the tension out of the story, yet they usually tell Goku and the rest to handle stuff themselves.
@@Zakjuh Exactly, how can you expect your universe to grow stronger if you are constantly bailing them out of danger? Beerus can't create life, he can only destroy, and by those rules you let the weak die and keep the strongest. That doesn't explain the Buu saga but the past is the past
@@lastdonuts he was asleep during the buu saga.
@@draico4265 they aren't fucking heroes!!!
I can't stop replaying the first 3 seconds of this
0:00 for whoever wants to join me
“His inevitable rematch with Goku” is the only thing I can really disagree with. It HAS to be Vegeta to beat Beerus after learning that Beerus made the order to destroy his home world.
Kyle Vaughn beerus didn’t put the hit out on Planet Vegeta. He was just okay with it being destroyed. Frieza’s motives to destroy planet Vegeta have always been the same, beerus didn’t change anything.
I would agree, but... Akira Toriyama
Any excuse to see Ssb evolved again honestly
@@RandomGuy-zl5sp yes you're right but freeza had to ask permission for a reason beerus could've said no but alas it doesn't really matter Vegeta knows that's his job as a destroyer. I don't think Vegeta would have much of a vendetta.
Random Guy beerus told frieza to destroy the Saiyan planet. The planet that had gokus mother and father on it. Goku has more motive to take down beerus
I love Beerus and he is one of my favorites, the thing with his character is that he is suppose to be a guide. He is neither a villian or a good person. He is a god and his job is to keep the natural balance of his universe. His purpose was used well during the Goku Black arc. He was arrogant in the beginning of the Battle of Gods but but the time TOP rolls around, this tournament is used to make the gods closer to their mortals.
Beerus was always indifferent to mortals but after meeting Goku and his friends he starts to see how important mortals are to the job he has. He eventually develops respect and he starts to see them as kind of like his children. It is unknown if he will ever be a full convert like Piccolo but being among mortals can possibly make him a better god of Destruction.
The reason why Universe 11 is the best balanced universe is cause there is cohesion between kais, gods of destrcution and mortals.
Never had a lack of tension?
The Dragonballs?!
To be fair, the Dragon Balls at least had rules attached that prevented people from being brought back from the dead more than once, so they didn't eliminate tension initially. But then Namek got introduced, giving the cast access to another set of Dragon Balls that got around that. And while that was fine for a one-off, the arc made it so that Dende was reintroduced and then he made a new set of Dragon Balls that basically said "Free come back to life card whenever you want".
So now the only real tension is if Earth and Namek are destroyed AND Zen'o doesn't let them use the Super Dragon Balls for some reason.
@@TheAzulmagia Doesn't the ending of DBZ happens after this, so we know that nothing bad will ever happen, unless they retcon it.
@@TheAzulmagia using the super dragon balls is a big headache since they would need to contact Jaco for space travel and he isn't around most of the time also they would need to learn the "God language" and beerus doesn't like to help them out so yeah
You still have to survive to use them.
Luffy1045 Fr! Tension left a while ago!
Beerus has one massive positive. He’s essentially given a power ceiling and a goal for Goku and Vegeta to get to and his presence is a constant reminder of how much further Goku and Vegeta have got to go and it also gives a good estimation on how much Longer Super has. Like you said Beerus isn’t a villain but an antagonist. I also feel like he’s either the endgame for Super or Something even he struggles with is the end game. That’s what is so great about Beerus’ character.
As the end of the Universal Survival Arc showed, Beerus doesn't need to suck the tension out of the story. It does that on its own at this point.
That's fair. Super is certainly not on par with Z in that department.
@@Auxified I mean not really. Z had no tension after the frieza saga because of the namikian dragonballs and really instant transmission. At any point during saga outside of buu goku could litteraly teleport the enemy to otherworld and leave them there since they couldn't teleport. Also the namikan dragonballs completely remove any tension whatsoever as the main cast at any point in the show can get 3 wishes. Heck even the frieza saga itself was using the namikian dragon balls to fix what happened in the sayain saga essiantly making any tension in the sayain saga really not matter. Since dragonball is a story we know the main character will prevail in the end. What we usually don't know is what will the cost be such as a friends death. Since the dragonballs remove the concept of death and destruction compelty from the show the only time the zfigthers are actually in danger is in super when the universe is put on the line. So really tension that came from the orginal series is self created because it isn't there if you actually understand how the dragon balls work. Also this isn't even hidden. The show directly tells you there isn't tension when goku directly tells gohan don't worry about killing people because of the dragon balls and piccloo tells super buu directly to kill everyone on earth. So really super is the most tension db has had since the sayain saga and rof is the same amount of tension as anh other saga. Actually more tension because frieza can just blow up the planet multiple times and than go to namek if the namekians try to help the zfighters. One thing I will say is that rof did try to force tension by having goku get knocked by a stupid Lazar in blue form where as vegeta had to lower his durabltiy just to get hurt by krillen. Multiple times in z mutliple things such as dende healing everyone drastically lowered the tension. I don't think having a lack of tension is bad as not everything has to be super danger all the time but if you don't consider it a critsim of z than it's not a critsim of super. I mean you could argue atmosphere but not tension.
@@Inviabledude45 I would disagree with the majority of your points. I think Z had a lot of tension in every arc and saga. I believe that your arguments are too heavily dependent on meta knowledge. For example, even if we choose to assume the protagonist will overcome the villain, that doesn't mean all of the tension of the story is loaded onto the cost of success (through side characters & other intangibles).
Putting the protagonist into dire situations that look grim creates tons of tension, even if we know they won't cease to exist. This is because the series is about the journey not the destination. This is why Goku fighting Frieza on Namek, which is about to explode completely eclipses the Goku vs Golden fight in ROF. In ROF Frieza is not really taken seriously by anyone. Even when Goku gets shot he just gets a senzu bean and moves along. Compare that to how Vegeta acted in the Namek saga, where he was completely terrified of Frieza, and every engagement was a severe risk of death. If the main characters of your show aren't even intimidated by the villain then why should we be?
As for the hypothetical suggestions like Goku using IT to deposit enemies into otherworld, we should probably just assume he can't or would not do that, since it never occurred. Cell had IT anyway, and maybe Buu would have destroyed it(?). It's also worth noting that the dragon balls have a long cooldown, and only work when the guardian is alive. If Earth were wiped out and then the guardian on new namek were killed then it might have even lead to an entire other journey to see if dragon balls existed on other planets (kind of like how GT went).
Lastly, even if we say that the tournament of power had tension, its still only half of super, and a lot of it was fighting clowns that were unworthy of fully powering up. I still think it was pretty good, but comparing it to Z? It's no contest for me man.
@@Auxified what your talking about is atmorespere. Z had a more serious atmosphere and tone but zero tension. Super had more tension because beerus and their other opponents actually raised the stakes to the point where the namikan dragonballs simply wouldn't help the zfighters where in z even the end fight was won because of the namikian dragonballs. I mean at any point during the buu saga they could have just wished ultmaite gohan back into the fight with the dragonballs and win that way. Z creates fake tension for a more serious atmosphere. It's really the same as what rof did by making goku go down to a lazar( from krillen injuring vegeta the zfigthers have to actually lower their defense to be injured meaning goku just randomly decided be wanted to be Lazar level) the result is even though it leads to amazing moments like vegeta taking down frieza or the final spirit bomb to end the serious. The reason z felt more tense is because it also centered around the development of characters giving fights more meaning than just oh this character dies. For example even though the original fight with the androids with vegeta and goku's first super sayain fight with goku serve no stakes whatsoever they are still development moments for goku and vegeta which makes the fight feel more serious or more important than they really are. So overall what your comparing between super and z isn't tension but atmosphere and overall how they present the fights. Because when you look at the stories super actually has more tension because of who the villains are. Frieza actually knows about the namikan dragonballs and the dragonballs and as well as the ablity to breathe in space. Beerus is a litteral god and everytime goku talks to the omni king it could mean the end of the universe. It has more tension but the overall atmosphere is much lighter proably done on purpose because akriya toriyama figured that you cant really do a serious tone with ranking up states without it losing its impact. So even though super does rank up the states creating more tension it doesn't focus on this tension and more on how goku and the others react to it. Since vegeta isn't cocky and egotistical because oh my pride and goku overall is super light hearted it leads to a more upbeat atmosphere than serious atmosphere.
@@Inviabledude45 I agree with your points about atmosphere, but not about tension. I don't want to get too technical but it's probably important to do so. Tension is defined as the stress/strain from facing an opposing force. There are definitely points of high tension in Super, like you mentioned when Goku first talks to the grand zeno, and even picks him up, but these moments are rare.
In my opinion fights like Goku vs Majin Vegeta had some of the largest tension in all of DB, because of Vegeta's struggle with his own ideals & goals. The serious atmosphere amplified this tension, especially when Goku starts charging a ki blast at Supreme Kai for interrupting.
Conversely I think fights like Goku vs Golden Frieza in ROF lacked tension because it was blatantly one sided from the start. It could have been very different if the plot wasn't simply that Frieza comes to earth and gets smacked down by Goku with Vegeta calmly watching (until the cheeky laser part).
Fake tension is an interesting concept. I assume what you mean by this is that the stress/strain the characters observe from the opposing force is not "valid". For example, why does death matter if the dragon balls can just revive someone? I would argue that this is just a natural part of the dragon ball experience. For example there was no need for Master Roshi to dramatically nearly sacrifice himself to take out a weakling. You are right that fake tension in Z exists to make the atmosphere more serious, but I would say this is just a flaw of the show granting so much power to undo negative outcomes, which certainly carries over into Super.
In summary, I think that fights in DB should have tension, especially between the "main" characters. If they aren't struggling or suffering at all then it's kind of just a fight for fun, instead of a legitimate obstacle that deserves 100%. In this regard I think Super did alright, but Z delivers every time.
That they haven't paid off Beerus ordering Vegeta's destruction is annoying
He didn't order it. He authorized it. Authorizing it means to give permission. Meaning, Frieza was like "do you care if I blow this planet up" and Beerus was like "sure, I don't care."
Idk why they even added that to the lore. Would Vegeta even care that much if he found out?
Okay I was not ready for that intro I spit out my drink
Chi-Chi: The Unreasonable Character
chi-chi: the Karen character
@@sideways_chip_eater6420 lmao
Hercule: The unbeatable character
@@dizzee6089 Mr. Satan*
@@LilithSoul4 same thing. Hercule Satan, Satan Hercule.
Really never understood the hate for Beerus. He has an interesting and inspired character design, an interesting Lil character progression in which we see him slowly care more about the people of earth, and he served as a gateway to expanding the dragon ball mythos. Yeah he had a touch too much screen time but there’s certainly worse characters.
Heard he has quite a twisted fandom... Be very, VERY wary of it.
Geo Leo what does that mean?
Jinpapi I think he’s saying there’s a plot twist with his character. Or there’s going to be anyway*
@Rodrigo Villa how is his fandom furries when he has no fur?
It was the furries!
Pokémaniac Guquiz Furries mean they like anthropomorphic characters, not that they like characters with fur. Having "fur" in its name only derives from most of said characters having fur back in the day.
Broly should've fought Beerus instead of Freeza, can you imagine the hype when the trailers would go BEERUS VS BROLY? It would also be much cooler to show Broly being on that level instead of having Goku saying that he is, the old 'show don't tell'
They don't want to do that because beerus is a goal to reach. If they ever make a definitive limit for Beerus, Goku's goal is gone besides "get strong"
If "Beerus level" is ever reached, he will probably just have a "true power" or just train and become OP again.
Ok, i might understand what you're saying. But he's the one who started the Super series. So of course, he gets to be appearing as a main character and most Super intros
1:40 I personally blame "Evolution" for doing that more than GT.
Totally Not Mark: Beerus is a problem character
Beerus: Heh, Heh!
*Taps his little finger on his dinner table*
Takes half
Nice new half table design
I love Beerus so much that I named our recent kitten rescue after him.
"79% of the people who participate in the poll liked Beerus, but lets ignore that because i have a video to make" (Its just a joke ppl)
I like giving the public the first say on a character I'm analysing.
I don't want to create the illusion that this character isn't loved. I even said I like him in this very video.
Just because you like a character doesn't mean you can't point out issues they have.
I try to be transparent in these videos. A lot of people when I made my Goku video never considered what I had to say about the character before. So if most people voted for yes on beerus... Perhaps I will say something that will offer a different perspective. If it doesn't... Then that's cool too.
@@TotallyNotMark Its ok, i just thought it was funny that the internet think otherwise. If i have to commend you for something is that you speak your own opinion regardless what people will think, even if its a controversial topic. Even though im not 100% agree with this video, i understand what are your coming from.
@@TotallyNotMark also say there was a surprising split, when really there was a supermajority here
He also says that the two archs with the most tension are ToP and the Goku Black arch.
But, that's not a good point, because the two prior are just bad retellings of the movies(so of course there would be no tension, you already know the outcome), and filler episodes.
It feels like he had an issue with how Beerus was effecting the show, or how they used Beerus. But he was probably hoping with the poll, he wouldn't be alone in his feelings.
A lot of this video has this tone that the poll didn't go as one sided as it actually did.
It's very much his excuse to push his own views.
Majority loves Morro Arc = It's "problematic"
Majority loves Gen 3 Pokemon = Here's why they should keep the Gen 1 design
It's just a thing
(Haven't watch the video yet). In a series that was about reaching new heights in power, Beerus is the ever-present, unmovable, skill-ceiling that Super keeps banging it's head against with each arc.
7:05 Giant Beerus trying to eat Whis' clothes.
Your analysis of this character gives me shivers.
You see the trait of a character like no one else does.
I love these type of videos you make. Please make more and we'll be gladly to give our opinions.
Thank you
Beerus feels more like a plot device then anything. He's just there to move the plot along when Goku and friends are in dire straits.
Wish he was able to do more. Like a arc dedicated to him bring the main focus with Goku helping him.
Would give him more character
...how? He was only a plot device in the movie that was about him, and for a single episode when he destroyed Zamasu. That was it. Otherwise he just did his thing, threatened a person or two and ate food.
But he's exactly not that.
If he was, every problem would be solved by involving Beerus. Instead, people complain because he doesn't do enough.
@@Zakjuh but he is? Anytime he does anything it boils down to that. He can do more without being a device.
It doesn't matter if he hasn't done it alot. Because any other time he's not doing anything. He's either a plot device or nothing. Beerus even said it himself in the anime " you two rely on the gods too much" after zamasu was defeated.
Let him fight a worthy enemy that is threatening him. Make a antitheses character to beerus. Someone that can challenge him without hakai being a factor.
@@zekiel2533 Him vs Moro would be cool to see
"I will not let you destroy my world!"
I get chills every time.
You have to be a certain level of interesting to get me to turn on notifications and take pride in clicking AS SOON AS I SEE AN UPLOAD. Keep being great 🙏
It's all worth it for that "What a guy" line when Goku masters UI.
Making a point to go back and rewatch all your content (priority to Dragon Ball) again. Sucks to see what happened over the holidays and sucks to not see as many videos come from your channel. With that, I know I a lot of us are waiting to hear more of your thoughts on the upcoming movie this April. You’re one of the biggest voices to a lot of folks on DB character progression and story/narrative arcs. Too understandable that you’re probably still apprehensive over the whole ordeal I’m sure you’re still battling. Regardless, have to let you know, the viewers still love you Mark. You’re a talented dude and we haven’t forgotten… Haven’t forgotten your talent, the joy you bring folks through your content, the knowledge or the deeper inter workings of plot that you impart, and your genuinely positive and hopeful spirit. Again man, looking forward to the next projects. Gonna keep supporting and running up the numbers on what you still have on the platform.
Take care of yourself!
Very Respectfully,
Ken
Recurrent Viewer
Beerus would be a better character if his name was “Hakaio Sama” 👀👀
Brian Etie damn nice one
Lol.
Now HAKAI.
Hakaio = Destroyio? Eh?
@@blue_wr3ck827 "Hakai" + "Oh" literally means "Destruction King".
ZdogZaraClarke this means something like destruction king
Hehehe I love how the beginning pauses on Zamasu’s scream
Those are the arguments I’ve always made and I get bitched at.
I mean beerus just acts like a cat so idc how hes badly written to anyone
Berus is the egyptian Anubis
@@AlexanderWeixelbaumer nah bruh hes just a strong ass house cat lol
@@AlexanderWeixelbaumer He's quite obviously a cat. More specifically a sphinx.
Fake news bitch I told you this I just make fun of em
Kitty litter is a bitch keep in the box
The comments are more negative because angry people are louder.
@DeadlyNeedle ! if you're angry, you are more likely to speak your mind about things, especially on the internet. If you are happy or content, people are more reserved because they have nothing to really say. Aside. "I'm happy with this because " but boy if someone is upset, they will let you n everyone know.
0:09 lack of tenshinhan.. *whaaa*
_ohhhh_ *T E N S I O N*
lulz
Lack of tienshinhan has been the real problem since buu. To be fair though, super had tense moments as well, specifically the first tournament and the goku black arc.
Intro caught me off guard lmao
I adore your drawings and thumbnails Mark!
I think Beerus is a great character that simply gets misused sometimes. That's more a problem with the plotting than the character though.
Having Beerus killed via outsmarted would be the best way to end his character and provide tension again. I don't think he should be beaten by Goku or Vegeta directly.
Fun fact, he is a god, I think the only one that could kill him is Zeno himself
@@miketheq7739 exactly
@@miketheq7739 He is actually not the strongest G.O.D so yea basically Jiren can beat him ultra Instinct Goku can beat him HECK the clown G.O.D can beat Beerus so yea he isn't the strongest also have you forgotten the grand priest whis any of the angels
@@nazthesausage4255 i'm talking about actually killing him, which i don't recall being mentioned in the anime (never read db mangas so idek better)
@@miketheq7739 before the top in the anime whis says that jiren is stronger then the destroyer of universe 11 and that the destroyer of universe 11 is stronger than beerus
Nah, I love Beerus sitting around eating ice cream while a life and death struggle cemented in a genocidal grudge rages on next to him and well BENEATH his concern. Far from removing the tension, I felt like it grounded the ballooning stakes which was absolutely a problem coming out of the Buu saga.
I actually enjoyed the fight more because it was a welcome break from the tired "And now this is the powerfullest most undeaftable villain we have ever faced" routine. The most powerful character was not involved in the fight... at all, and that alone made it better for me. It wasn't the end of the universe, it was just a fight between two of dragonball's greatest personalities, separate from the idea that only the highest power level mattered.
Would love to see one of these on Kefla, love your art style
What do you think he would have to say about a fusion character? He would probably just talk about Kale and Caulifla individually.
Yeah I need a video about one of my most hated "characters" in Dragon Ball. seriously Caulifla is honestly one of the worst characters ever introduced into Dragon Ball in a VERY long time
Dan character is a strong word. She’s just arrogant and that all there is to her so there wouldn’t be a lot to talk about.
Headshredder idk probably about how the community is split on them, think they’re a Mary Sue. Or something I’m sure he has a lot to say
Headshredder like Vegito is an arrogant fighter but the community loves him
9:07
Here's the messed up thing tho, I feel beerus DOESN'T suck the tension out of everything
In a world with 3 sets of wish granting orbs the tension in low key at a minimum compared to other shows like Naruto, Yugi oh, jojos, and even Hunter Hunter.
In dbz if u die u can most likely be wished back and even prevent it in total by wishing for immortality and a stong body.
It's y goku and vegeta got lucky zamasu became zamoku black or zamasu would be unbeatable.
My point is if u die in dbz odds are u getting wished back, die in jojos, Naruto, or Hunter Hunter tho and they don't even HAVE dragonballs there, so it's either permanent or u have to go to great lengths to get that person back.
Adding beerus to the mix I could argue STILL has tension because beerus don't do SHIT
He won't step in and save goku or vegeta despite having the power to do so and that bugs me about HIM.
Freiza was stomping on goku yet beerus just sat there eating a SUNDAE of all things😂
If beerus was known to be about that action and protect the Z fighters of COURSE I'd agree with u, but rn?
Nah, cuz it's not like he would actually lift a finger to help for real, it's mainly whis.
Dude if anything you are saying that dbz was already bad, no need to make It worse and I agree. DBS didn't fix anything of the previous issues only gave people more of that sweet childhood drug
Pascal Simioli well go create your own anime with your perfect characters and plot sir
@@skfrederick5 it wasn't pascol smoli that had that feeling but ME
Also, that's kinda what fan mangas are, as they give more justice to the characters than the official manga can
@@skfrederick5 u make it seem like U don't find anything wrong with the characters dude
We say this because we want things CHANGED, that's the crux of the whole video u know?
By watching this, u had 3 reasons, either supporting marks content despite not agreeing with him at all, or U have a couple qualms about some of the characters too.👍🏽
Dragonball has little tension to begin with, but Beerus, Whis, Zenou and characters like them destroy any amount of tension there was ever left.
I'm a week late to this video, so I doubt anyone will see my comment. But with that said here is my opinion, I lost all sense of tension with the Dragon Ball series long before Beerus was introduced. Simply put the name is why, the dragon balls were for a majority of the time in the series what took away the tension, "Oh, half the universe is dead because of Freeza? Just wish them back to life with the dragon balls.". When the Universe Survival Arc began, I thought maybe their will be tension and stakes, but then it was revealed the super dragon balls were a prize. I knew immediately the wish was going to be bring back the erased universes, and for one last insult lets have the Zenos say this was the only wish we would allow. So ever since Beerus joined the show he has been my favorite character, and his style of comedy that sucks the tension dry actually makes me laugh because their wasn't any tension to begin with. The "problem" brought up in this episode was always in my eyes the writers having a laugh with the idea of their being tension in the show.
There you go!
Couldn't have said it better.
That's what I don't feel in super.
*Tension and Suspense*
It's like a D&D campaign: If you've got one level 20 character and everyone else is level 5, you either have to create something for that player to have to deal with on their own, OR find a way to sideline them altogether. And neither of those options is usually very satisfying for the development of the group as a whole.
How the hell do you get such a situation in D&D though
@@Goodbutevilgenius Bad DMs making bad decisions with NPCs, usually. I've heard plenty of stories, and seen it personally, where a DM wants to have crazily OP NPCs to wow the players, but simultaneously tanks the immersion and tension of the group by not giving the players satisfying reasons why they don't just handle the problem.
I was hoping for Beerus to be 2 sides of one coin: Beerus as a person who Goku and Vegeta would challenge, and the god of destruction that no mortal can touch or hurt.
They could beat Beerus as a fighter, but never beat him as a god.
*Nyan cat music at the end*
My brain: guess who isnt sleeping today?
Thank you! I couldn't place it, but it was _so_ familiar.
Not gonna lie I thought Beerus was safe
@@notmuch8940 dbs bardock is actually very controversial,he'll definitely appear on this series.
@@brunowillich1837 Sadly. Even though I think he's a better character than edgy 2 kool 4 skool bardock.
That said, there's also clear parallels between him in Broly and Superman's father, which detracts from him.
@@Zakjuh DBS Bardock is literally Jor-El
@@keenobrown919 Yes, I acknowledged that part.
And that's a shame. But I still care little for the Z version.
I first started watching Dragon Ball when I was 11 (1996 Saturday mornings on upn I believe, in the usa) and have been watching it ever since. It's has been 24 years now and I'm not ashamed of it.
Much like you the first time I saw Beerus and learned who and how he was, I was pretty much immediately won over. And though it soon became stale, I do still love that he and Whis are so enamored by the food of Earth because it's so endearing and relatable to real human experiences of growing up knowing only your own cultural cuisine and then finding out about another culture's cuisine and discovering and falling in love with incredible new flavors/textures. And it grounds these incomprehensibly powerful deities in a really natural and tangible way without coming across as feeling forced.
Beerus exists for comic relief and he does it amazingly.
His comic relief is a side effect of him not being able to do much else of note in the series because of his overwhelming strength. He's meant to be something for Goku and Vegeta to strive to beat, but until that time comes, he can't really do much else besides juxtapose his sheer power with comic relief
He doesn't. His entire existence invalidates the struggle of our heroes and makes each and every villain past and present a joke. That's not funny, that's retconning your story and transforming it into a case of "why fucking bother, then?".
@@DraculaCronqvist Why are you watching Dragon Ball for the plot? It's never been a serious story, it will never be a serious story. Watch for the lovable characters.
DraculaCronqvist I wouldn’t say that, even
Whis could only turn back time, I think three minutes it was, so if they cocked up killing Frieza they would have been screwed and Berrus didn’t get involved either way.
He and Whis while fond of our guys exist out side of what happens to them.
TOP kind of bridged that gap a bit, by tying his existence to our fighters.
We will just have to wait and see. The writing in this series is very immature to be honest.
But I do enjoy his animated personality.
The problem I have with the character and also "super" in general, is the fact that goku and vegeta are actually succeeding in reaching beerus's power level..beerus is essentially a god, and because of him ,Goku and vegeta become so disgustingly powerful that I find the action extremely boring now...all the sporting characters are basically irrelevant at this point..and when they do get involved..it's not believable anymore.
I didn't get why I was getting so much more existed to watch goku and piccolo VS raditz, rather then goku and vegeta vs Jiren..
I would've preferred if goku wouldn't being able to reach beerus's level to create a point of frustration for him and motivate him to train further.
He’s an awesome character who is too powerful to be allowed to impact the plot in any meaningful way. Unless they end up with some sort of angel rebellion he’ll never get to do anything important.
I feel like Beerus best represents the problems that all long-running series have. The longer a series goes on, the harder and harder it gets to stay consistent, and even though it's still possible to have good ideas the farther you go, those good ideas could clash or not mesh well with other good ideas established earlier.
One thing i can say after watching more of Marks videos , is that he really goes in with an open mind. And gives props where others point at faults