Real. I don't know if I will ever pull for DPS Servant Characters in the Future but I will definitely get Sunday atleast. I learned my lesson with Robin and Ruan Mei that you should never skip Harmony Units, specially the ones who seems to be, will carry a specific gameplay niche or play style.
@@atcshobiron5838Ruan Mei, when she first came out, had everyone thinking she was DoT support. Now everyone knows she was actually Superbreak buffing instead. I don’t blame those who skipped such a good harmony character.
Step 1: Make HMC that basically create the SB meta. Step 2: Make RMC. Step 3: Release Fugue because people don't have other SB supports. Step 4: Profit by releasing THE Herta, Sunday, and Agalea altogether.
just for the record, you can switch between MC path without installing LC and Relic everytime MC changa path. The Relic and LC will bound in the path and not remove when the path is change so if you neeed HMC just change it to Harmony and you good to go
@@blursedpasta7718 not for boothill and rappa.. her core kit itself aka exo thougness before her other stuff already makes her a lot better then HMC because of rappa and bh kit.. now firefly herself not so much .. maybe 150k damage extra ? In which case hmc is better
Luckily, RMC is not that essential like HMC is. You can still play the summon meta without them. The problem is, Sunday is probably the RM or Robin for the summon meta, so unless you're planning to pull for him already, you're in trouble
true, and Break Teams are literally unplayable without HMC, there is no replacement at all, only Nihility Tingyun can be used as a replacement but she still works differently
If break becomes bad it is what it is tbh, i just started building hmc 2 days and i'm almost finished with that. Honestly i'm skipping this whole summoms/remembrance meta because it's a whole set of characters i have to pull for again just like i did with my fua team. It took me 8 months to get that team where it's at and to do that again rn is a no no for me. I know every account is different but it's whole different story when you lose alot of 50/50's or 75/25's you start to think differently and use what your account has.
Skipping a whole meta for an entire version just because you've had some bad luck before is very melodramatic haha. There'll be summons meta characters every patch most likely, including F2P and 4 stars. I'm sure you'll end up with a decent Remembrance team whether you pursue it or not.
@thatonetemplar even if they bring ftp characters for that meta it still doesn't change the fact that I have to build a new team around that meta. I ain't gonna stop building my break team because there is a whole new meta around the corner. My ruan mei is just sitting there doing nothing sad to say, might as well build a break team for her to get some usage, I just need a break dps for that team and i'm done, it's better than building a whole new team if you ask me 🤷♂️
@NBORN_ My point is unless you're just not summoning at all for the entirety of 3.x, you're gonna end up with some Remembrance characters. Trying to settle on just one or two teams that won't be supported for 3.x is just being oddly stubborn. Like, using your logic, you'd just never summon again all because you don't want to have a team other than Break. I promise you you'll be able to make a good team in 3.x with all the F2P jades.
@@thatonetemplarI mean I skipped all the follow up characters and the world hasn’t ended. The game shills the new units hard, but it’s not like you need to pull the new meta, or that everyone even can lmao.
@@thatonetemplar the question is how deep the OP wants to invest into their teams. Whether it is E0S0 RM and E0S0 FF and 2 free characters, or it's E2S1 FF, E1S1 RM, E1S1 Lingsha and E1S1 Fugue. Horizontal vs Vertical investment discussion
@bloonbrawler9872 I think that Sunday is an even better support or at least at a similar level since he's just a Bronya with energy recharge and is more sp-friendly and I would rather have Ruan Mei on the team than Fugue or HMC to break the enemy faster and give a speed boost
@@ryuk6795 Doesn't change the fact that you'd have to sacrifice a character that can give you 100% action advance or a character that gives you weakness break efficiency, speed and elemental res pen, unless you want to play sustain less. Sunday can also be used everywhere and not just Bopthill, so at the end of the day, I think Sunday is a better choice than Fugue unless you just wanna use her with Firefly or Rappa and not Boothill
The Problem is the Endgame Modes where you need Two Teams. What if you wanted to use Remembrance MC in the 1st Team but you also want to use Harmony MC in the 2nd Team. That's the dilemma here.
Just use any other team. HMC is obviously an outlier as the other 2 MCs suck compared to the 5* options. Remembrance MC will likely be back to that same trend.
I think a lot of people will call all these replacements "cope". There is only one answer: Fugue is made specifically to replace Harmony MC, as a Hoyo's farewell to this meta.
@@GGA_GachaGameAddictI do think rappa and Boothill are the target demographic for fugue ironically enough while the fire support isn’t worth pairing with the fire dps in the case of firefly, fugue is just the super break driver of a second break team if you want two on both sides for endgame. What we should be askin for is a st 4 star break buffer who is a alternate to Ruan Mei imo lol
Fugue is the Harmony MC replacement. If you wanna use Superbreak on one side of an endgame and use Remembrance MC on the other side, then recommend going for her. Otherwise, I'd just switch between builds. Likely what I'm gonna do.
Won't that get frustrating eventually? It's a good idea, but each time, we have to change relics and LC, and then back. Seems easier to use someone else entirely
@ annoying? sure, but the good thing is that you don’t actually have to remove and equip everything each time, so long as you keep it equipped when you switch paths, when you switch back it’ll still be equipped I used to do the same thing with Preservation MC
Just my Two Cents. They should create a feature that SEPARATES Trailblazer's Paths. You can already switch path without removing the Relics and LC that is equipped with that Particular Path, what they should do now is make it so that you can use those Paths separatedly in multiple teams. Like in MoC (just an example), you want to use Preservation MC on First Phase but then you also wanted to use Harmony MC in Second Phase. They should make this possible.
@@blancka4200 I have no idea about HI3, but since hsr and genshin share similar structure, I highly doubt it. but if hsr did separate TB from it's path, it would be a game changer.
I think you're underestimating how much of a necessity HMC is to Firefly - without HMC, there is no Firefly. And no, it's not a nerf to Firefly if HMC isn't there, Firefly just straight up would not work without HMC. What this means is that no matter how good RMC is, unless you plan on just giving up on Firefly, HMC is still the path to go with. I don't know how good they could possibly make RMC to make Firefly players give up HMC but they would have to make RMC ridiculously good for people to consider changing HMC which would then lead to the next MC path to have to be ridiculously good if RMC ends up being a key component to Rememberance teams.
I mean, there's also the fact that people can just change the MC's path, and they hold onto the equipment for the different paths. So you don't really have to pick, aside from things like PF, AS, and MoC.
As someone with Boothill, I'm kinda all good with just running him for the meantime if I ever commit to the new meta. I can run Ruan Mei and an action advance support like Bronya and I should be fine. However, my FF is my most invested character running at E2S2 so I'm still leaning towards getting a replacement, as its likely to benefit me better. I might wait around until later 3.X patches to get into the new meta
I bet that they will gradually sunsetting superbreak 'requirement' for endgames in 2-4 patches. Since remembrance will be relevant there should be no need for hoyo to release another break DPS, amps, or supports. Fugyun or Herta prime might be the last of the lot. Also 2-4 patches after 3.0 should be a lot of time to pick and choose your next-gen comps so there's no need to abandon break early on
@@blueblazedemon Don't read if you don't know her kit but having exo toughness on an enemy, a second break bar - is godly for any break dps. Not to mention she converts some toughness reduction on weakness broken enemies into super break dmg like HMC (125% 1 instance). I do have a E2S1 Firefly and exotoughness bars break proc that extra turn, which will be insane and getting E1 Fugue results in 100% WBE with Ruan Mei, which scales with Superbreak dmg. Or if you have fugue replace Ruan mei instead, your dmg goes crazy with double super break - or just no sustain because all 3 supports have delay on their kits.
@honeypac467 I just don't see the difference when using my E0 firefly and the exo toughness bar for moc it doesn't seem all that different and while researching fugue with firefly she's practically doing the same amount of damage my firefly does with HMC or at least close to it and the only dedicated break unit I have is firefly since I skipped boothill and rappa
@@blueblazedemonI don't even have Firefly. I have Boothill, Rappa and Himeko which they are the ones who benefit the most out of Fugue. I enjoy seeing Fugue complainers saying she isn't that good and then proceed to say they own Firefly like, well duh! Of course. You have a big mouth to complain she isn't that good when Firefly benefits the least out of Fugue.
@wongo6828 OHHH DRRRRR REALLY YOU THINK SO BECAUSE THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID BEFORE 🤯🤓🤓🤓 I already know shes not that good for firefly shes the only one I had and you simply say "easy just pull for fugue☝️🤓" when that's not solving the problem for people who dont have other units that aren't firefly so they could pull her lil bro is the kinda person to say "well if your homeless it's easy to fix the problem just buy a house ☝️🤓" thats what you sound like. ☠️☠️
The thing is that HMC with E4 can easily give a total of around 100+% Break Effect (E4+ult+watchmaker) after using ult to the entire team. If swapping for Asta you only get the 30% from watchmaker and if you swap for fugue (if the leaks are true), you can't use watchmaker so you only get 17% to the entire team an additional 30% to 1 character. So if you're running a team where everyone wants high break effect and you don't already go over your needed break effect by 70%, you would need to refarm relics for all your characters for about an extra 70% (whether you use asta or fugue) break effect in substats which would take forever to do for 4 characters. So pretty much for most break teams already made, unless you have godly relics, you can't remove HMC without having to rebuild the entire team.
I'll Have 50 Special passes (not counting any jades) by the time Sunday comes around, and im almost at hard pity, so whatever is left will go to getting Fugue as a HMC replacement. Don't forget that you will be able to switch back and forth, the main time this will be an issue is when you need two teams at the same time, if you have other team comps, then you will have options.
@@IsmailNibras That's not the point. The point is: You wanna play with two teams, one super break and one remembrance/summon? You need fugue because there are no other options. You can't split the main character in two. Simple as that.
@@omppu65 RMC is a mini Sunday. His summon action forwards a character, increases cdmg of the whole team and also allows the main dps to do true DMG. So I think RMC is replaced by Sunday and not Ruan Mei.
@@wandersonvitor3054 You do know Sunday buffs servants too, right? That's his whole kit deal. Besides the fact that he can 100% AA the dps and the servant in the action bar too. Don't be fooled in thinking Sunday won't be Aglaea and every other servant dps bis. There is a very high chance that Sunday+rmc might be the best duo supports for remembrance dps too.
I dont run break teams so my harmony mc is unchained. I have always been a huge fan of FUA even before it became meta and it was just Himeko, me and Jing Yuan in Sim Uni having a good time.
@@Forakusnah, they were planning for this all along. By making HMC super good, people that invested so much in break teams will need to have Fugue if they want to run the new MC.
@@Forakus she's a break support not a super break support so for FF it's a side grade but for Rappa and Boothill is a good upgrade. Super break as a mechanic is just way too good for how little investment you put in
What's the point of ruining one of the best team comps? Preservation mc was kicked off the meta bcs he was just not so good. But hmc is the core of sb. Just wait few patches for new supports. Anyway remembrance meta will take place slowly, across all the 3.x cycle, not right in the 3.0
They already have to core its "Sunday" just like he is RM to break comps and robin to fua comps. The next remembrance most likely just gonna be dps or sustain (dunno if lingsha is count)
Great analysis, and super helpful. Could you do a deep-dive into super break Himeko? I would love to see your thoughts on how to make her more viable across as much content as possible!
If a character covers more facets of the game then they’re worth investing. I don’t know how RMC is going to perform but I imagine it’s not going to outshine Aglea by much since sales takes priority.
As someone who mostly use hmc on my boothill team, I'm chilling. I can easily slot a Bronya. Although I do use hmc outside his team, we can easily switch patches to fit what we need more for end-game content, so I am not that worried about fomo as I have a pretty solid Acheron team built, superbreak and FUA. Unless hoyo force us to use 2 break teams - which I highly doubt. For Firefly tho, although Fugue is okay, hmc is still her best support, Rappa is a mix. Both can be good depending on what chars you have.
Really good video I was planning having 2 sets of gears for MC harmony and rem so can swap in and out depending what teams going be running for different situation
Boothill and Rappa will be fine esp with Fugue. Firefly is so cooked. Fugue's support for her is literally peanuts compared to how much HMC benefits her. Glad I got her E2 so that I can at least use her with Himeko in PF, but she's just cooked. Sad.
I'll be getting Fugue so I'll probably mess around with RMC when 3.0 comes out and this is coming from a BH and Rappa Haver. Though I'm Skipping Aglaea.
Rappa haver here, I think I'm skipping Fugue. Exo toughness is cool and all, but without Ruan Mei I know it will be disappointing. So many cool characters on the horizon I would rather get.
Im planning to pull Fugue so I can have 2 break team, one is mono fire FF superbreak team, the other is dazzling rainbow Rappa superbreak team. Then, we got RMC dripping market. Maybe we will need RMC for new meta. But, I will wait and see. Hoyo usually release very good unit in the middle of version. Its like in Penacony arc, we got BS at first version. After that we got Acheron, on of the best DPS until today. Or in GI, Liney is the first limited unit in Fountaine arc. After that we got Neuvillette, one of the best DPS in GI until today too.
Question, if Himeko replaces HMC in the break team (with like, FF, RM and Gall), what should the recommended build for Himeko be? Because Himeko has no superbreak by herself, does it become a crit build instead?
I like having this kind of problem because they make the character good/fun to use that I want to use both of them to clear endgame content. I just hope they make the RMC decent
Preservation MC was a viable tank when people didnt have good sustains and newer players who didnt even have geppy or lynx Ghallager, aven, and getting reruns of fu xuan and such, all contribute to not needed preservation MC Imo, if people really want to replace harmc and can afford it, fugue seems solid. Also lets you double up harmc+fugue+rm if you have her and go sustainless, fugue can replace either rm or harmc (altho not as good for the *whole* team as rm But yeah, if you dont want to get something new, you can focus in def ignore that affects break, or add more break damage to the team for sure
As a f2p, i build HMC for my rapp teamm and my other team is FUA team. I dont think ill invest on Remembrance path this instant just because of the new system or gameplay that it offers. If ur team follow a specific teamcomp then focus om that team if u can...
Sunday gives mostly crit damage which is useless to firefly and fugue isn't that good with firefly she's more for rappa and boothill so if it's a firefly team harmony MC is a way better option then fugue
Isnt 5 star tingyun a super break support like TB? It would be better if we get a 4star that can support super break aswell so we're not too stuck relying on 5stars
with all honesty as someone who only plays characters I like (and thus doesn't have Ruan Mei or Sparkle and won't build Tingyun and probably won't pull for Fugue depending on story) the RMC could be a miracle that out performs Acheron and I still would not switch him out of Harmony simply because I need support more than whatever Rememberance is going to be... (unless it's another support class ofc) I watch channels like yours to see what meta exists to make as good choices as I can given my stance, but even fully aware that I won't agree with 100% of what people who talk about meta say It's still a little bit of a gross feeling to hear someone say that NOBODY will keep HMC also inb4 I have people asking what my deal with harmony is.... I don't know why characters I dislike just happen to be mostly harmony.
Probably, if you want to play the HMC, you just switch from RMC and that's it. The builds are saved after the switch. If you want to use both versions on both sides, well, you better be choosing, or pulling for another break harmony
I wish they'd release a 4-star superbreak support. 😢 Sure it would be weaker than HMC and getting eidolons would be a pain but at least you'd have more options to pick from.
Well if nothing else RMC will shake up the meta (if people decide they don't what to pull for Fugue at least) which is going to be interesting to see. Personally my thought is, if you're not a whale, is to focus on what you've already built your account around before jumping into the Remembrance playstyle. It's shiny and exciting but I don't think it'll be worth it if you've gone heavily into the Break meta already. Namely Firefly and Rappa since Boothill really doesn't need HMC. Of course it's possible RMC ends up not being necessary for the Remembrance playstyle and all this planning is for nothing.
The speculation is insane, like we don't even know what blud does and we are just thinking is going to be game chaging like hmc. I get it, hmc is nuts, its normal to expect the same for rmc. But seems like it can't offer anything new bruh, sunday already has summon advance, let's say herta's kit require summons atacking to work, going topaz probably would be better than rmc. Even if the summon doesn't attack and only buffs summons, robin would be a better option. I dunno if I have like no imagination but I just can't imagine a way for rmc to be as broken as hmc.
Feel like the point at 1:00 is missing a lot of context. PMC was a bridge unit until we got more Preservation units as we only had Gepard and FuXuan who were good at that point. Then there's the advent of Aventurine, who is the single strongest Preservation unit in the game. Those who didnt pull for FuXuan more than likely pulled for him and replaced their PMC with him. No other unit can reliably grant Super Break like HMC so until we get a unit who can itll still be meta
The biggest question to me is if you pull Aglaea will you need RMC. If RMC is just for everyone who can’t get Aglaea then the better option might just be the be skip HMC’s “Replacement” (read fugue) and pull Aglaea. So you have Aglaea for Remembrence and HMC for break.
Fugue would replace HMC. Me personally I'll get fugue, then save again, we have the entirety of 3.0-3.6/3/7 to fully understand, experiment and build this new path...So I'll just use RMC for a couple patches then try to get other remembrance characters probably around 3.1/3.2 maybe. There's a reason why MC always gets the path that is new meta, its so that everyone has access to meta and players who are f2p like me who dont pull every single new character that comes out, can play meta teams too....along with the four stars. Whales for example would pull sunday, fugue, adult herta, AND Aglae, because they can and will so its much easier for them andd by the time RMC drops they already have units that would help their remembrance teams the best way possible lol...its a different story for us f2p lol.
Saying "remembrance teams" makes no sense. Thats like saying destruction team or hunt team. Some mechanics are path specific like healing, shielding and dot, which opens the door for remembrance to have its own unique mechanic, but this doesnt mean they cant have any of the universal mechanics we see across multiple paths such as superbreak or follow up.
I dont see a problem even as f2p. You have Feixiao or Acheron or FF teams. If you somehow need RMC for end content you can just use one of the other 2. If RMC is not a must play then you just play HMC in end content First priority should be Sunday cos the new meta summon unit will come. then maybe Herta
I ain't taking off the hat 🤠 I only have one break team, I have many crit DPS teams- and I seriously doubt RMC will outperform Feixiao, The Herta (when she comes out) or anyone I pair with Sunday.
I think theres "easy" way. In doll aka herta splash art, she knew that theres both male and female mc So if somehow we can get the other mc, like we can switch wise and belle but for battle, wont that be good :)
Harmony will still be the meta. Rememberance team comps likely have no setup yet, considering mc will be the first. And the first two mc cant be compared to harmony. They both were really bad, with 4* and 5* (limited and standard) that were better at thier roles. Harmony though, is the only super break buffing unit and is actually a really strong unit, so if you like that comp style, youll still use harmony, because break isnt going any where in the meta. Only way harmony mc goes anywhere is if rememberance mc also buffs break % and has a super break buff (a limited 5 who does it wont matter much, because mc does it so well already, and most players wont have access to a limited banner 5 star anyways, especially if that 5 star overlaps with a free one who does the same thing, which means even those with access, may just skip)
The simplest quality of life we can get to remedy this is the ability to put MC's different paths in different teams at the same time. Obviously you couldn't put 2 MCs in the same team
going to feel bad to separate firefly from her girlfriend, probably only going to change the MC when I get more ppl to make a dedicated team for remembrance
well I guess my ff could die off then with aglaea I might be forced to pull Sunday to run him with her and skip fugue no ruan mei so my ff team would be dead without HMC currently around 28k jades and assuming to lose 50:50 + hard pity
Just use HMC and not RMC or you know Hoyo could just allow us to use different versions of the character at the same time like many gachas solved this problem already lmao.
We honestly don't know yet but in my honest opinion, the Summon Meta will be just as broken as FUA and Break Teams because the Meta will shift to cater it and I think that's for sure.
well i dont think anyone thought a stronger character than acheron can be released right? and then feixaio happend, no character and no meta is safe from hsr powercreep (maybe robin, ruan mei and probably sunday) but you get what im getting at right. they will find way to make most things that are good in 2.X to be worse than the summon meta
@@azeef4926 Himeko can be played as a Sub Dps for Firefly, Which would assist in Breaking enemies faster, but she is not a straight substitute for HMC and Fugue, It's more that she is better than most to fill that slot
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It's crazy how HSR devs allowed a free character to be so relevant that we're having this discussion right now.
Real. I don't know if I will ever pull for DPS Servant Characters in the Future but I will definitely get Sunday atleast. I learned my lesson with Robin and Ruan Mei that you should never skip Harmony Units, specially the ones who seems to be, will carry a specific gameplay niche or play style.
*laughs in traveler*
Genshin could never
@@atcshobiron5838Ruan Mei, when she first came out, had everyone thinking she was DoT support. Now everyone knows she was actually Superbreak buffing instead. I don’t blame those who skipped such a good harmony character.
Meanwhile pyro mc in genshin isn’t even a 4* unit lvl
Step 1: Make HMC that basically create the SB meta.
Step 2: Make RMC.
Step 3: Release Fugue because people don't have other SB supports.
Step 4: Profit by releasing THE Herta, Sunday, and Agalea altogether.
"Make problems, sell solutions"-corprate moddo
But one problem, fugue's kit is ass :(
And it hurts even more since I already pre farmed everything for her
@@tipusensei i prefarmed her but changed my mind midway knowing of summon meta
@@saif-gv6gl one problem: Fugue is worse than HMC for SuperBreak in general
@@callmemrdee yeah bcuz we're comparing the E6 MC with an E1 foxian. MC for a reason!!
just for the record, you can switch between MC path without installing LC and Relic everytime MC changa path. The Relic and LC will bound in the path and not remove when the path is change so if you neeed HMC just change it to Harmony and you good to go
That's all fine and dandy, until you get to literally every end-game mode. You can only use Trailblazer on one team.
Theres a bigger problem, Firefly to HMC is like Peanut butter to Jelly... Buffing HMC aka moving him to remembrance will inevitably nerf FF
i think that's the "nerf" they gonna do to Firefly.
They cant nerf her so they gonna kill her by making RMC so good, it's a waste to not build RMC
Also, Fugue's stocks are really fucking high rn. They weren't gonna let us have HMC for free lmao, they were playing the long game all this time
@@saif-gv6gl I know no leaks.. but fugue seems to be more beneficial to Rapa & boothill then FF.. she still wants HMC & RM rather then Fugue
@@Gilaboyfulfugue's value only go up if you have E1 fugue(if not HMC still overall better except in PF)
@@blursedpasta7718 not for boothill and rappa.. her core kit itself aka exo thougness before her other stuff already makes her a lot better then HMC because of rappa and bh kit.. now firefly herself not so much .. maybe 150k damage extra ? In which case hmc is better
Nah I'm sticking to HMC. Investing in summons can come at a later date. Building new teams are expensive.
Luckily, RMC is not that essential like HMC is. You can still play the summon meta without them. The problem is, Sunday is probably the RM or Robin for the summon meta, so unless you're planning to pull for him already, you're in trouble
true, and Break Teams are literally unplayable without HMC, there is no replacement at all, only Nihility Tingyun can be used as a replacement but she still works differently
@@saif-gv6glSunday is so boring nothing will make me pull him
Boothill is great without HMC@@bamboozled_again
@@saif-gv6gl I’m pulling Sunday to compile a “crusade” team (Sunday, argenti, Bronya, and gepard)
If break becomes bad it is what it is tbh, i just started building hmc 2 days and i'm almost finished with that. Honestly i'm skipping this whole summoms/remembrance meta because it's a whole set of characters i have to pull for again just like i did with my fua team. It took me 8 months to get that team where it's at and to do that again rn is a no no for me. I know every account is different but it's whole different story when you lose alot of 50/50's or 75/25's you start to think differently and use what your account has.
Skipping a whole meta for an entire version just because you've had some bad luck before is very melodramatic haha. There'll be summons meta characters every patch most likely, including F2P and 4 stars. I'm sure you'll end up with a decent Remembrance team whether you pursue it or not.
@thatonetemplar even if they bring ftp characters for that meta it still doesn't change the fact that I have to build a new team around that meta. I ain't gonna stop building my break team because there is a whole new meta around the corner. My ruan mei is just sitting there doing nothing sad to say, might as well build a break team for her to get some usage, I just need a break dps for that team and i'm done, it's better than building a whole new team if you ask me 🤷♂️
@NBORN_ My point is unless you're just not summoning at all for the entirety of 3.x, you're gonna end up with some Remembrance characters. Trying to settle on just one or two teams that won't be supported for 3.x is just being oddly stubborn.
Like, using your logic, you'd just never summon again all because you don't want to have a team other than Break. I promise you you'll be able to make a good team in 3.x with all the F2P jades.
@@thatonetemplarI mean I skipped all the follow up characters and the world hasn’t ended. The game shills the new units hard, but it’s not like you need to pull the new meta, or that everyone even can lmao.
@@thatonetemplar the question is how deep the OP wants to invest into their teams. Whether it is E0S0 RM and E0S0 FF and 2 free characters, or it's E2S1 FF, E1S1 RM, E1S1 Lingsha and E1S1 Fugue. Horizontal vs Vertical investment discussion
My break team will be Himeko, Lingsha, RM and Fugyun. The high-heel gang
I also love funyun
Lol I’m pretty sure 95% of the characters are high heel gang 😂
I love how no one spelled Fugue's name correctly
@@ejcubing3622*Tingyun
Lingsha no heel
Boothill doesn't really need super break, I run him with Ruan Mei and Bronya + a sustain so he'll always have a place on my account
Fugue would be a good support for Boothill
@bloonbrawler9872 I think that Sunday is an even better support or at least at a similar level since he's just a Bronya with energy recharge and is more sp-friendly and I would rather have Ruan Mei on the team than Fugue or HMC to break the enemy faster and give a speed boost
@@noobbot05wxo toughness benefits boothill alot
@@ryuk6795 Doesn't change the fact that you'd have to sacrifice a character that can give you 100% action advance or a character that gives you weakness break efficiency, speed and elemental res pen, unless you want to play sustain less. Sunday can also be used everywhere and not just Bopthill, so at the end of the day, I think Sunday is a better choice than Fugue unless you just wanna use her with Firefly or Rappa and not Boothill
just use bronya
Just switch back when you need it
Holy this is ground breaking 🤯
INSANE
The Problem is the Endgame Modes where you need Two Teams. What if you wanted to use Remembrance MC in the 1st Team but you also want to use Harmony MC in the 2nd Team. That's the dilemma here.
Just use any other team. HMC is obviously an outlier as the other 2 MCs suck compared to the 5* options. Remembrance MC will likely be back to that same trend.
@@ForakusCant say rmc will be bad yet though. You never know if it will be meta for a while since remembrance is a totally new path.
I think a lot of people will call all these replacements "cope". There is only one answer: Fugue is made specifically to replace Harmony MC, as a Hoyo's farewell to this meta.
my thought exactly, and thats even worse because they are not even hidding it : MONEY PLEASE
Wanna know the funny thing too? Fugue is a nerf as well from hmc when pairing up with firefly. They basically gave us a weaker hmc 😂
@@GGA_GachaGameAddictI do think rappa and Boothill are the target demographic for fugue ironically enough while the fire support isn’t worth pairing with the fire dps in the case of firefly, fugue is just the super break driver of a second break team if you want two on both sides for endgame. What we should be askin for is a st 4 star break buffer who is a alternate to Ruan Mei imo lol
@@GGA_GachaGameAddict I do not own Firefly, I have Boothill. So, I am good.
Fugue is the Harmony MC replacement. If you wanna use Superbreak on one side of an endgame and use Remembrance MC on the other side, then recommend going for her. Otherwise, I'd just switch between builds. Likely what I'm gonna do.
Won't that get frustrating eventually? It's a good idea, but each time, we have to change relics and LC, and then back. Seems easier to use someone else entirely
@ annoying? sure, but the good thing is that you don’t actually have to remove and equip everything each time, so long as you keep it equipped when you switch paths, when you switch back it’ll still be equipped
I used to do the same thing with Preservation MC
Just my Two Cents. They should create a feature that SEPARATES Trailblazer's Paths. You can already switch path without removing the Relics and LC that is equipped with that Particular Path, what they should do now is make it so that you can use those Paths separatedly in multiple teams. Like in MoC (just an example), you want to use Preservation MC on First Phase but then you also wanted to use Harmony MC in Second Phase. They should make this possible.
equilibrium trailblazer
knowing hoyo, this will never be a thing, ever
@@ToVoMo
They did this in HI3, though much much later (at the end of part 1.5 iirc)
Like we can put Shadow Dash and Memento in same team
@@blancka4200 I have no idea about HI3, but since hsr and genshin share similar structure, I highly doubt it.
but if hsr did separate TB from it's path, it would be a game changer.
Fugue stocks drop down significantly 📉
6:22 epitmoy of "ya i know but i cant say anything to avoid a takedown"
I think you're underestimating how much of a necessity HMC is to Firefly - without HMC, there is no Firefly. And no, it's not a nerf to Firefly if HMC isn't there, Firefly just straight up would not work without HMC. What this means is that no matter how good RMC is, unless you plan on just giving up on Firefly, HMC is still the path to go with. I don't know how good they could possibly make RMC to make Firefly players give up HMC but they would have to make RMC ridiculously good for people to consider changing HMC which would then lead to the next MC path to have to be ridiculously good if RMC ends up being a key component to Rememberance teams.
I mean, there's also the fact that people can just change the MC's path, and they hold onto the equipment for the different paths. So you don't really have to pick, aside from things like PF, AS, and MoC.
As someone with Boothill, I'm kinda all good with just running him for the meantime if I ever commit to the new meta. I can run Ruan Mei and an action advance support like Bronya and I should be fine. However, my FF is my most invested character running at E2S2 so I'm still leaning towards getting a replacement, as its likely to benefit me better. I might wait around until later 3.X patches to get into the new meta
I bet that they will gradually sunsetting superbreak 'requirement' for endgames in 2-4 patches. Since remembrance will be relevant there should be no need for hoyo to release another break DPS, amps, or supports. Fugyun or Herta prime might be the last of the lot.
Also 2-4 patches after 3.0 should be a lot of time to pick and choose your next-gen comps so there's no need to abandon break early on
Easy. Just pull for Fugue which is what I'm gonna do because Fugue is pretty cool.
Naahh 🗿 "just pull fugue" fugue isn't that good for firefly at this point she's more for rappa and boothill so why would I pull her
@@blueblazedemon Don't read if you don't know her kit but
having exo toughness on an enemy, a second break bar - is godly for any break dps. Not to mention she converts some toughness reduction on weakness broken enemies into super break dmg like HMC (125% 1 instance). I do have a E2S1 Firefly and exotoughness bars break proc that extra turn, which will be insane and getting E1 Fugue results in 100% WBE with Ruan Mei, which scales with Superbreak dmg. Or if you have fugue replace Ruan mei instead, your dmg goes crazy with double super break - or just no sustain because all 3 supports have delay on their kits.
@honeypac467 I just don't see the difference when using my E0 firefly and the exo toughness bar for moc it doesn't seem all that different and while researching fugue with firefly she's practically doing the same amount of damage my firefly does with HMC or at least close to it and the only dedicated break unit I have is firefly since I skipped boothill and rappa
@@blueblazedemonI don't even have Firefly. I have Boothill, Rappa and Himeko which they are the ones who benefit the most out of Fugue.
I enjoy seeing Fugue complainers saying she isn't that good and then proceed to say they own Firefly like, well duh! Of course. You have a big mouth to complain she isn't that good when Firefly benefits the least out of Fugue.
@wongo6828 OHHH DRRRRR REALLY YOU THINK SO BECAUSE THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID BEFORE 🤯🤓🤓🤓 I already know shes not that good for firefly shes the only one I had and you simply say "easy just pull for fugue☝️🤓" when that's not solving the problem for people who dont have other units that aren't firefly so they could pull her lil bro is the kinda person to say "well if your homeless it's easy to fix the problem just buy a house ☝️🤓" thats what you sound like. ☠️☠️
holdup, why is ur MC just in E2?
i knew this day would come
Mine is e2 as well. Such a drag to complete all boring quests in Penacomy 😢
@@EODGamerSG, yes the day has come.
Explain to all E6 HMC users why your HMC is E2
@@EODGamerSG But that's like almost 6-7 months later 😅
😂😂😂
The thing is that HMC with E4 can easily give a total of around 100+% Break Effect (E4+ult+watchmaker) after using ult to the entire team. If swapping for Asta you only get the 30% from watchmaker and if you swap for fugue (if the leaks are true), you can't use watchmaker so you only get 17% to the entire team an additional 30% to 1 character. So if you're running a team where everyone wants high break effect and you don't already go over your needed break effect by 70%, you would need to refarm relics for all your characters for about an extra 70% (whether you use asta or fugue) break effect in substats which would take forever to do for 4 characters. So pretty much for most break teams already made, unless you have godly relics, you can't remove HMC without having to rebuild the entire team.
I'll Have 50 Special passes (not counting any jades) by the time Sunday comes around, and im almost at hard pity, so whatever is left will go to getting Fugue as a HMC replacement.
Don't forget that you will be able to switch back and forth, the main time this will be an issue is when you need two teams at the same time, if you have other team comps, then you will have options.
How to play break after HMC switches to RMC in Honkai star rail?
It's simple, they are releasing Fugue for this exact reason 🤣
But, the problem is, many people think HMC is better super break support than Fugue😅
@@IsmailNibras That's not the point. The point is: You wanna play with two teams, one super break and one remembrance/summon? You need fugue because there are no other options.
You can't split the main character in two. Simple as that.
Only for firefly. fugue is better for rappa and boothill@@IsmailNibras
Funny how the new f2p team for Aglea in the leaks was RMC, Gallagher, Ruan Mei and Aglea.
It was only with current characters though and instead of Ruan Mei, she wants Sunday
Ruan mei?? i thought she needs Sunday
@@omppu65 RMC is a mini Sunday. His summon action forwards a character, increases cdmg of the whole team and also allows the main dps to do true DMG. So I think RMC is replaced by Sunday and not Ruan Mei.
@@azj707 No, Sunday is a hypercarry buffer, he just buff one single ally while RMC and Ruan Mei buffs the whole team
@@wandersonvitor3054 You do know Sunday buffs servants too, right? That's his whole kit deal. Besides the fact that he can 100% AA the dps and the servant in the action bar too. Don't be fooled in thinking Sunday won't be Aglaea and every other servant dps bis. There is a very high chance that Sunday+rmc might be the best duo supports for remembrance dps too.
The DMG in break team without HMC ult is harshly low so you can't replace her now and make good dmg
I dont run break teams so my harmony mc is unchained. I have always been a huge fan of FUA even before it became meta and it was just Himeko, me and Jing Yuan in Sim Uni having a good time.
I really don't want to be that guy but the livestream is tomorrow can we stop pretending that we don't know exactly what Fugue does...
I K R
Fugue isn't even as good, obviously HMC was a giant mistake
Well, u can't ruin ur birthday surprise even if u know that it is your birthday
@@Forakusnah, they were planning for this all along. By making HMC super good, people that invested so much in break teams will need to have Fugue if they want to run the new MC.
@@Forakus she's a break support not a super break support so for FF it's a side grade but for Rappa and Boothill is a good upgrade. Super break as a mechanic is just way too good for how little investment you put in
I'm really appreciating Boothill's team flexibility now. Still feeling the need to pick up Tingyun though (Sunday is a given obviously)
What's the point of ruining one of the best team comps? Preservation mc was kicked off the meta bcs he was just not so good. But hmc is the core of sb. Just wait few patches for new supports. Anyway remembrance meta will take place slowly, across all the 3.x cycle, not right in the 3.0
They already have to core its "Sunday" just like he is RM to break comps and robin to fua comps. The next remembrance most likely just gonna be dps or sustain (dunno if lingsha is count)
Just gonna keep my HMC who can abuse that DDD.
And just pull for the 5 star Remembrance.
Great analysis, and super helpful. Could you do a deep-dive into super break Himeko? I would love to see your thoughts on how to make her more viable across as much content as possible!
If a character covers more facets of the game then they’re worth investing. I don’t know how RMC is going to perform but I imagine it’s not going to outshine Aglea by much since sales takes priority.
As someone who mostly use hmc on my boothill team, I'm chilling. I can easily slot a Bronya. Although I do use hmc outside his team, we can easily switch patches to fit what we need more for end-game content, so I am not that worried about fomo as I have a pretty solid Acheron team built, superbreak and FUA. Unless hoyo force us to use 2 break teams - which I highly doubt. For Firefly tho, although Fugue is okay, hmc is still her best support, Rappa is a mix. Both can be good depending on what chars you have.
Really good video I was planning having 2 sets of gears for MC harmony and rem so can swap in and out depending what teams going be running for different situation
my team is going to be jiaoqiu, boothill , e1 fugue and bronya
Boothill and Rappa will be fine esp with Fugue.
Firefly is so cooked. Fugue's support for her is literally peanuts compared to how much HMC benefits her.
Glad I got her E2 so that I can at least use her with Himeko in PF, but she's just cooked. Sad.
Appreciate the video, perfect timing as I was thinking about this 🙏
Dont know if it's just me, but 3.x for genshin was amazing, and i feel like it will be the same for hsr. Super hyped😙
I'll be getting Fugue so I'll probably mess around with RMC when 3.0 comes out and this is coming from a BH and Rappa Haver.
Though I'm Skipping Aglaea.
Rappa haver here, I think I'm skipping Fugue. Exo toughness is cool and all, but without Ruan Mei I know it will be disappointing. So many cool characters on the horizon I would rather get.
This is a clever way to make us play Fugue
Im planning to pull Fugue so I can have 2 break team, one is mono fire FF superbreak team, the other is dazzling rainbow Rappa superbreak team. Then, we got RMC dripping market.
Maybe we will need RMC for new meta. But, I will wait and see. Hoyo usually release very good unit in the middle of version.
Its like in Penacony arc, we got BS at first version. After that we got Acheron, on of the best DPS until today. Or in GI, Liney is the first limited unit in Fountaine arc. After that we got Neuvillette, one of the best DPS in GI until today too.
Question, if Himeko replaces HMC in the break team (with like, FF, RM and Gall), what should the recommended build for Himeko be? Because Himeko has no superbreak by herself, does it become a crit build instead?
I like having this kind of problem because they make the character good/fun to use that I want to use both of them to clear endgame content. I just hope they make the RMC decent
Preservation MC was a viable tank when people didnt have good sustains and newer players who didnt even have geppy or lynx
Ghallager, aven, and getting reruns of fu xuan and such, all contribute to not needed preservation MC
Imo, if people really want to replace harmc and can afford it, fugue seems solid. Also lets you double up harmc+fugue+rm if you have her and go sustainless, fugue can replace either rm or harmc (altho not as good for the *whole* team as rm
But yeah, if you dont want to get something new, you can focus in def ignore that affects break, or add more break damage to the team for sure
As a f2p, i build HMC for my rapp teamm and my other team is FUA team. I dont think ill invest on Remembrance path this instant just because of the new system or gameplay that it offers. If ur team follow a specific teamcomp then focus om that team if u can...
My Bet is Sunday will be the fill for firefly team or possibly Fugue since fire will be the majority
Sunday gives mostly crit damage which is useless to firefly and fugue isn't that good with firefly she's more for rappa and boothill so if it's a firefly team harmony MC is a way better option then fugue
Isnt 5 star tingyun a super break support like TB? It would be better if we get a 4star that can support super break aswell so we're not too stuck relying on 5stars
with all honesty as someone who only plays characters I like (and thus doesn't have Ruan Mei or Sparkle and won't build Tingyun and probably won't pull for Fugue depending on story) the RMC could be a miracle that out performs Acheron and I still would not switch him out of Harmony simply because I need support more than whatever Rememberance is going to be... (unless it's another support class ofc)
I watch channels like yours to see what meta exists to make as good choices as I can given my stance, but even fully aware that I won't agree with 100% of what people who talk about meta say It's still a little bit of a gross feeling to hear someone say that NOBODY will keep HMC
also inb4 I have people asking what my deal with harmony is.... I don't know why characters I dislike just happen to be mostly harmony.
Finally i can switch over from my wasted harmony mc to useful remembrance mc ^^
Other Break DPS: Needs HMC
Boothill:
Probably, if you want to play the HMC, you just switch from RMC and that's it. The builds are saved after the switch. If you want to use both versions on both sides, well, you better be choosing, or pulling for another break harmony
Break built Hunt march 7th might be good for budget firefly team have you tried it yet
I wish they'd release a 4-star superbreak support. 😢 Sure it would be weaker than HMC and getting eidolons would be a pain but at least you'd have more options to pick from.
Well if nothing else RMC will shake up the meta (if people decide they don't what to pull for Fugue at least) which is going to be interesting to see.
Personally my thought is, if you're not a whale, is to focus on what you've already built your account around before jumping into the Remembrance playstyle.
It's shiny and exciting but I don't think it'll be worth it if you've gone heavily into the Break meta already. Namely Firefly and Rappa since Boothill really doesn't need HMC.
Of course it's possible RMC ends up not being necessary for the Remembrance playstyle and all this planning is for nothing.
Easy, just dont have any super break dps on your account so you dont need HMC at all 😌
The speculation is insane, like we don't even know what blud does and we are just thinking is going to be game chaging like hmc.
I get it, hmc is nuts, its normal to expect the same for rmc. But seems like it can't offer anything new bruh, sunday already has summon advance, let's say herta's kit require summons atacking to work, going topaz probably would be better than rmc.
Even if the summon doesn't attack and only buffs summons, robin would be a better option.
I dunno if I have like no imagination but I just can't imagine a way for rmc to be as broken as hmc.
Feel like the point at 1:00 is missing a lot of context. PMC was a bridge unit until we got more Preservation units as we only had Gepard and FuXuan who were good at that point. Then there's the advent of Aventurine, who is the single strongest Preservation unit in the game. Those who didnt pull for FuXuan more than likely pulled for him and replaced their PMC with him. No other unit can reliably grant Super Break like HMC so until we get a unit who can itll still be meta
This is why i dont pull firefly.. she just really dependant on hmc which is annoying
The biggest question to me is if you pull Aglaea will you need RMC. If RMC is just for everyone who can’t get Aglaea then the better option might just be the be skip HMC’s “Replacement” (read fugue) and pull Aglaea. So you have Aglaea for Remembrence and HMC for break.
In my case I'm not gonna be switching paths cause I'm going for Aglaea as my remembrance character. My hmc can happily stay with firefly for awhile.
Fugue would replace HMC. Me personally I'll get fugue, then save again, we have the entirety of 3.0-3.6/3/7 to fully understand, experiment and build this new path...So I'll just use RMC for a couple patches then try to get other remembrance characters probably around 3.1/3.2 maybe. There's a reason why MC always gets the path that is new meta, its so that everyone has access to meta and players who are f2p like me who dont pull every single new character that comes out, can play meta teams too....along with the four stars. Whales for example would pull sunday, fugue, adult herta, AND Aglae, because they can and will so its much easier for them andd by the time RMC drops they already have units that would help their remembrance teams the best way possible lol...its a different story for us f2p lol.
I am 100% going for Fugue 🎉🎉🎉
Saying "remembrance teams" makes no sense. Thats like saying destruction team or hunt team. Some mechanics are path specific like healing, shielding and dot, which opens the door for remembrance to have its own unique mechanic, but this doesnt mean they cant have any of the universal mechanics we see across multiple paths such as superbreak or follow up.
I dont see a problem even as f2p.
You have Feixiao or Acheron or FF teams. If you somehow need RMC for end content you can just use one of the other 2. If RMC is not a must play then you just play HMC in end content
First priority should be Sunday cos the new meta summon unit will come. then maybe Herta
How to play without HMC?
Hoyoverse: . . . pull Fugue or Alaea and keep using HMC.
I ain't taking off the hat 🤠 I only have one break team, I have many crit DPS teams- and I seriously doubt RMC will outperform Feixiao, The Herta (when she comes out) or anyone I pair with Sunday.
I think theres "easy" way.
In doll aka herta splash art, she knew that theres both male and female mc
So if somehow we can get the other mc, like we can switch wise and belle but for battle, wont that be good :)
I can't believe Mc and firefly broke up
Tragic
Harmony will still be the meta. Rememberance team comps likely have no setup yet, considering mc will be the first. And the first two mc cant be compared to harmony. They both were really bad, with 4* and 5* (limited and standard) that were better at thier roles. Harmony though, is the only super break buffing unit and is actually a really strong unit, so if you like that comp style, youll still use harmony, because break isnt going any where in the meta. Only way harmony mc goes anywhere is if rememberance mc also buffs break % and has a super break buff (a limited 5 who does it wont matter much, because mc does it so well already, and most players wont have access to a limited banner 5 star anyways, especially if that 5 star overlaps with a free one who does the same thing, which means even those with access, may just skip)
4:33 Trailblazer's Gaping Hole 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for this video! :) And all videos!
Nothing really happens we can just switch back to harmony trailblazer when use break teams
It's wild you don't have harmony MC fully built, the Eidolons are handed out 😂
I'm leaving her as HMC and will play Fugue - HMC - Lingsha - Firefly. I have no ruan mei. On the other hand i will pull sunday so he can replace RMC
The simplest quality of life we can get to remedy this is the ability to put MC's different paths in different teams at the same time. Obviously you couldn't put 2 MCs in the same team
Here's hoping they give us another free SSR like Dr. Ratio last year.
Missed out on free Ratio by one patch 😣, makes it worse that my favorite archetype is FuA lol.
thats why you pull fugue or skip her and let your HMC stay harmony
I doubt superbreak will completely die when 3.0 comes around, probably will fade out around 3.2/3.3
going to feel bad to separate firefly from her girlfriend, probably only going to change the MC when I get more ppl to make a dedicated team for remembrance
I guess you can just keep using HMC?
You have to pull Fuge. That’s what you have to do.
they gotta give a free remembrance LC, theres nothing in that regard.
How is his HMC only E2?! Has he not played the story for like 7 months?!
Isn't it a bit too early? We don't even know what gameplay RMC will have, not to say how good they will be.
is fague gonna be a good replace?
Not as good as HMC
Meh… Just change HMC back when you need her. Me personally, I have alternatives like the Follow-up team if I need them.
I got E2 FF and I don't want to get Fugue, feels like a hard nerf.
Asta was already part of my superbreak team with harmomy mc alas.
well I guess my ff could die off then
with aglaea I might be forced to pull Sunday to run him with her
and skip fugue
no ruan mei so my ff team would be dead without HMC
currently around 28k jades and assuming to lose 50:50 + hard pity
Just use HMC and not RMC or you know Hoyo could just allow us to use different versions of the character at the same time like many gachas solved this problem already lmao.
How to play HMC? Easy, if I have no other remembrance units then I’ll stick with super break.
I guess that depends who we have. Nice way of promoting those replacement 5* to free up a slot for MoC...
Tingyun. The solution is Tingyun lol
Wasn't fugue the answer for HMC became RMC?
Just don't switch. Break was a mistake in how incredibly powerful and at the same time defensive it is, there's no way summon can be as good right?
We honestly don't know yet but in my honest opinion, the Summon Meta will be just as broken as FUA and Break Teams because the Meta will shift to cater it and I think that's for sure.
If new enemy gonna have 2 barrier shield before got attacked, super break gonna flop
well i dont think anyone thought a stronger character than acheron can be released right? and then feixaio happend, no character and no meta is safe from hsr powercreep (maybe robin, ruan mei and probably sunday) but you get what im getting at right. they will find way to make most things that are good in 2.X to be worse than the summon meta
@@gandalfstyle2977That's honestly a questionable comparison, but yeah.
I think Pela is great option for break teams
What about M7 hunt?
the real reason why we're getting fugue 😆
Gotta find a way to fill that GAPING HOLE
Me having to bench my e2s1 ff the second rmc releases (I couldn't afford fugue) ☠
Broke is scuffed with fugue now.
How do you run super break Himeko without HMC and Fugue??
U dont 😁
@ But he said to run super break Himeko as a replacement for HMC with Firefly. Please I need to know how…
@@azeef4926 Himeko can be played as a Sub Dps for Firefly, Which would assist in Breaking enemies faster, but she is not a straight substitute for HMC and Fugue, It's more that she is better than most to fill that slot
@@duckosson2650 But at 4:40 he said super break Himeko 😢
@@azeef4926 As he said, Double DPS team with Himeko and Firefly