Who wins Fury or Wilder? Masvidal vs Usman. How comes that a guy like Masvidal has gotten so much better at whats the tail end of most fighters careers? What type of fighting styles age well? Thanks.
Coach do you think experience trumps technique. For example someone with bad execution but lots of experience as opposed to a person with good technique and less experience? By the way, thanks for the cup video. I'm protected against sneaky low blows now.
Ramsey Dewey love you Ramsey. Answer to your question is this: men also armchair quarterback professional football and baseball. Why they do it? Because in their delusion getting into a street fight is the same as a professional fight, backyard football is the same as the NFL and backyard baseball is the same as MLB. Yes, it’s very delusional but that’s the reality of it.
"Why do non-fighters think they know how to fight?" Same reason as to why people think they know how to shoot a gun without any training. Media, shows, games, movies, etc. Allow people to think they're capable of replicating the same feats, leading them to these delusions.
idk how hard is it to poke someone in the eye balls and bite someones neck? Its just convention that stops people from fighting to their full potential. Even wild animals can fight instinctualy.
It might be far fetched but if you look at a guy who has never fought in his life; that guy also never lost a fight in his life.. That's why they can tell to themselves that they would never lose a streetfight etc.
Humans can be slaves to their passions. Or even less selfish ,more noble emotions... Its not just 'some people' & they are not 'idiots' separate from the rest of 'us'...In our lives its happened to ALL of us at some time or another.
"Hey man I gotta go to work tomorrow." That's what you say to the new guy just before sparring, because 100% of new guys come with a huge overhand right. And I don't care how experienced you are, the newbie throwing the overhand right immediately is bad news. Even if it's just sparing, and you block it, you're still getting buzzed. Every man is dangerous regardless of how experienced and trained they are. They get "one free punch".
There’s an African saying which goes ‘it’s the man who’s never been to battle that calls himself a great warrior.’ That said this applies to most sports - not just fighting. Have you listened to ordinary talk about football? Jeez!
I have great respect for ballet dancers... they warm upp their limbs i 2 houres... they are athleats.... I ones in dojo met a professional ballet dancer who started traing teakwondo... with us, and he was remarkable... he did split like Van Damme in the locker room on two chears and after a few weeks he was kicking very well. And he had six pack... he was an athleat. In the beging when some guys herad he was a ballet dancer they thought he was a wimp but they changed their mind very soon. He was an atheleat an we who trainded 3-4 timesa week + strenght traing + running , we was wimps... comapre to jis physicue
"I train for the streets" just means "I'm stupid enough to think I can defeat a trained fighter even though I have little to no experience because I expect dirty fighting tactics and throwing my entire body weight around to carry me throughout an encounter"
because everybody knows that a trained fighter has absolutely no clue about how to do dirty stuff in a street fight scenario.. .. . .. except for bas rutten i suppose..
@@miou-miou- Ummm....u are so wrong dude...they are restricted 🤣🤣 most of the UFC fighters are violent since childhood and are street fighters......jorge...khabib....dereck lewis....diaz bros. What do u think will happen if they tell the UFC fightwers that they can use anything....eye pokes ..soccer kicks 🤣🤣 ppl won't stand a chance
@@zoropiratehunter4103 you see all those dots at the end of my sentence there? "fight scenario.. .. . .. " ? i figured it was pretty obvious that i shouldnt have to tell people that i meant the opposite.. a trained fighter who doesnt have to abide any commissioned rules is guaranteed to win against some random chump who says "on the streets there are no rules".. i also mentioned bas rutten because he has talked about this quite a lot already.
Lol it CAN mean that but sometimes it means you train for actual self defense and not a ring with rules and a referee Your goal in that case wouldn’t be to be able to beat a trained fighter but just the average person who might attack you on the streets
the street is still different than a cage fight, you never know when a weapon will come out when multiple people will gang on you, and a fall on the asphalt is way deadlier than a cage fight. some fighters train for point getting or under the premise that there will be a rest time, that some moves won't be used on you. That being said martial art is there for a reason, you can't throw haymakers and expect to win.
I was thinking something similar. I think it also really applies with the occupation of parent. It's not so hard to become one (for most people) but it really requires a lot to be a good one. When I was a kid it looked so easy...
I am a social worker and it's the same for me. People think that I just sit there and listen. Active listening, centering the client and asking the right questions is definitely a skill that has taken me years to acquire and I could still improve on. But no, any self-absorbed ass off the street can do this.
And dont forget The politicians! Man. Just because everyone has gone to school makes them think they know what its like from the other side of the desk.
Umm I know someone who realized one of his kids wasn't being taught well, so he took over as the teacher for that subject. The parents of the kids in that class think he's great
I'm sure every 30 something out of shape American who used to play high school Football thinks that he can kick my azz, because my muscles are Concealed. And i don't wear Smedium TapouT shirts.
I belive the reason most people overrate their ability to fight is that it is horrifying to accept that you can't. If you watch the news or a movie and see someone getting attacked you will likely think something like "what would I do in that situation?" and admitting to yourself that you would be completly helpless is to scary for most people so they make up a fantasy about how they could absolutly defend themselves even without any training.
A video like this was on the news when I was 12. That's EXACTLY how I got into martial arts. I was able to recognize how useless most people are in such situations. Underrated comment.
It's the Dunning-Kreuger effect. And some professions get it, too. As a former co-worker once said, "Police work must be the easiest job in the world, because *everyone" knows exactly how to do it."
Some people just assume that rage and anger translates into being a good fighter. I've heard a decent amount of men claim that they just black out and become this unstoppable fighting monster. That also reminds med of the type of guy who claims that he legit fears no man. Even Tyson and Ali admitted to being afraid before a fight
Viking Breh those are athletes though. I’ve had 1 or 2 dumb friends who honestly feared no man, at least it seemed that way. Usually the small guys, ones who always had to stand up for themselves.
Viking Breh there is a difference between fear and respect. I would say I fear no man because we all breathe and bleed. I also would say I respect all men because they are all capable. You can be confident and still humble
@@animalcrackurr4875 so if anyone wants to fight you then your pulse doesn't even rise? No adrenalin? Congrats you are officially tougher than Tyson, Ali and many other legendary fighters
Viking Breh once again fear and respect are different. I have been fighting since 5 years of age it is comfortable for me I enjoy it, ofcourse. I've had nerves competing against good competition. That is adrenaline not fear, I fear heights, jumping out of airplanes in those moments I freeze, I have never froze in a fight. Also some people are different tyson has known insecurities he has said it himself. Ali I doubt ever feared a man I'm sure he respected them though. There is no 1 answer to those type of questions.
The more training I do , I realize how much I don’t know about fighting, when I started in martial arts over twenty years ago I thought I was a great fighter, but I wasn’t.
MrParkerman6 with respect, martial arts mean different things to different people, and two totally different words can have the same definition when applied to a real world scenario.
Bez Nervoze , some we’re terrible and a few of them could put you down in a hot second, The late Guy Kurose , rip ,heavyweight college full contact champion in Japan, my teacher , Taky Kimora student under Bruce lee , learned a few things from him as well
I always thought that declining now and those types were becoming a lot more self aware, perhaps I was wrong. The one that I dislike is still the person has assumption that people with the big muscles are automatically tough, they still have that WWF/ Arnold swatznegger syndrome, I remember a few years ago in college their was this stereotyped, muscly guy versus a small, slightly chubby dude and every one thought one sided ass whooping was coming but they were all shocked by the fight and I just remembered telling em you can’t make assumptions but I also think it can the other way too but it’s funny how for many years that type of individual had automatically being feared as a dangerous fighter
That's just not true. Other people think that about guys who lift. And lightweight fighters are butthurt because they look like they can't fight (although they can). The lifters themselves (should) know they're no good in a fight against a trained individual, unless they train fighting themselves.
If you can't fight lifting weights is not gonna teach you. Infact if anything it will make you worse at fighting because it makes you stiff and slows your reflexes. Ever seen the big buff guy who can't wipe his ass get the shit beat outta him by the fast lanky guy? I have.
I recently thought about this a bit and hearing your piece and reading some comments helped me to come to a conclusion. What got me thinking about it is that my uncle, who never fought anyone after finishing fifth grade in school, said he could beat me, someone who trains two to three times a week for three years now in a fist fight. I invited him to fight me with gloves, he declined. So I also thought to myself how stupid it is that people think they can fight and found it unfair that people respect other sports but not the one I practice, I have to admit my pride took a slight dent. But then I realized, people don´t respect other sports as well. Football (soccer) fans complain all the time and claim they could do it better. Same with other team sports or things like free climbing. The Dunning Kruger Effect seems to be a very valid explanation why people claim to excel in something they never tried them self. But no untrained person would say they could outrun Usain Bolt in a 100 meter sprint. Or that they would jump further than athletes who specialize in jumping. You video and the comments helped me to get to the conclusion that the reason for that is, that the simpler the sport is, or at least seems, the easier it is to understand that you are not good at it.
As a 16 year old guy who also trains in martial arts I can confirm that at least 90 percent of teenage dudes think they are In fact a ninja that can beat almost anyone In a fight without any kind of experience.
16 here too,same experience even though they mostly try to "test" me in inopportune moments.Going to the cafeteria to get a slice of pizza and out of nowhere getting suckerpunched is not really a situation you can really train now is it
@@sephy980 it can help if youre in an environment you dont feel safe in,i dont go to school everyday expecting to get punched when going to get some food.
For you younger guys: get solid abs. I'm talking blocks of muscle that will make normal people's punches irrelevant. Do a ton (get to sets of 100+ ASAP) of situps every day, do some planking etc. This will take care of the people testing you, they'll just think it's cool to punch someone and feel a wall, and punch your abs every once in a while (and leave off the sneak attacks)
Well, You know what they say: "everybody has a plan until they get hit in the face". It is really easy to think about "I would do this and this" until you are in front of a moving target that also attacks you
Well but exactly that is my plan and it worked twice.The moment someone wants to mug me(Without Weapons) I just punch him in the face before he even ended telling me that he wants my money, and then just run away.Pretty effective, because at that point the mugger usually won't think that you immediately punch him. But I live in Germany. Most Robbers don't use weapons here and only threaten you with physical violence. If a Robber had a Gun or Knife I would instead give him my money and run away.
Absolutely, I had the same experience and I do train in kickboxing. The first time I competed I had all these thoughts of what I would do and didn't do any of it when it was go time. That's where I really came to appreciate the saying "you fight how you train". I dunno whether to laugh or be dumbfounded at dudes who think they can handle themselves in any situation when the extent of their fighting experience is a couple of bar altercations with drunk morons.
I'm pretty sure most fighters keep their game plan after getting hit in the face. If you get in the face and lose your game plan/mentality you're not a real fighter.
It’s actually kinda funny I was talking to some guys in my jiu jitsu class today about this very topic or at least what the result would be. This may be a basic answer but perhaps it’s because some of these guys won some fights in high school or in their younger days so that gives them the confidence of “knowing” how to fight. Hope everything is going good over there where you are with that virus going around wish you well, keep up the good work
I box mostly for fitness, but I have spared many times. I was chatting with a BJJ guy about this very subject. Our consensus was that the average untrained male thinks he can lift more weight and fight better than he really can. I think it's because we cannot understand humility until we've tested ourselves and failed. Most people lack the will to intentionally put themselves in a bad/dangerous situation. Every top fighter got beat up at some point in their career. It's the losses and mistakes that make us humble and ultimately better.
Ive had someone tell me that they have never been dropped in training with a face full of pride, while he was training muay thai for 6 months with beginners and done 2 interclubs "fights in his mind". I immediately said this just means that u train with people that aren't good enough to push u and overpower u. A slight visible confusion and a silent 2 seconds proceed and then straight back to denial "nah, u would have to kill me before i fall to my knees" ye sure buddy.
Miki Miyazaki My bad if I replied to your comment. I wasn’t talking to you. I originally wrote kick to the liver and I changed it to shot before posting. Maybe leaving it would have made that more obvious. I’m thinking about Muay Thai not boxing. I think maybe it’s easier to land a kick to the liver in mt than a punch in boxing because it’s so much easier to counter the Ross by leaning away a little and tossing out a lead leg kick to the body. Idk though, I haven’t done much straight boxing just Muay Thai and tae kwon do. Thoughts?
In the end it comes down to 2 main reasons that i had noticed. 1st is complete ignorance, someone never gotten into an actual fight will think.. meh, whats the big deal (coz elites make it look easy and effortless. U cannot really blame them as they cannot comprehend what goes behind fighting as i cannot comprehend what psychological factors go in an actual full blown war as an example). 2nd is insecurity. Presenting themselves as tough for the eyes of others n other reasons. If its insecurity it will be loud and will feel desperate for attention so it is worth calling them out on it, much how rogan and schaub called out callen's bullshit in the podcast. Now in ignorance, u can respond nicely, usually when i explain to people how scared shitless a fighter can sometimes be behind that poker face when hes about to make that walk on the ring they tend to put themselves in that situation and understand.
stef hass I’ve been dropped by a light woman with a light punch at the perfect time. What kind of contact can a club have that there is no knockdowns?!
@@whyareyoubothering obviously the guy bullshitting. Or he was just arrogant coz he was sparring complete beginners once or twice at a beginners class when they were going light? Hell i dont know
I completely disagree with the idea this is specific to MMA or any kind of fighting. You don't know what you don't know. Working as a nurse in ICU, I've had plenty of family members of patients express that they could do my job. The spectators see me giving medications or a fighter throwing punches. They don't see the critical thinking and snap decisions being made in a critical situation. People view things from their safe little bubble. You'll never know until you get out there and do it yourself.
Nobody: everyone in the martial arts comment section: “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth” I’ve had enough of this quote for a lifetime
and somehow they still always get so many upvotes. its a good quote, but it's been beaten like a dead horse to the point where it's not even clever anymore.
@@ElecTricksCity You have probably been fighting for a bit now. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've noticed that the ones who use that quote are the ones who have never fought in an actual combat sport before. The ones who have, stick to the game plan and dont get phased by a punch to the mouth
It’s rather terrifying. Of the few I got into in my youth, during the brief moments leading up to them, I needed to exert myself just to keep a stream of piss from running down my leg. It definitely helps to have training so you actually know what you’re doing.
I know my limits. My training gives me confidence and skill unarmed against 1 or 2 people on the street, but if I ever ended up in prison, I'm getting destroyed.
Well, thank you for the heart. Appreciated. I will add I am quite serious despite my flippant response. It certainly happens to fighters, and I take small comfort in being confident enough in my worth able to be able to say even a mediocre MMA student would kick my ass sideways and back. However, I think the answer is simple. These boys (and I say boys because it's a sign of immaturity) are threatened by things that make other men look tougher, smarter, higher status, or more "manly" than them. That's why Ramsey Dewey, professional martial artist provokes them, but Ramsey Dewey, ballet dancer does not. (I hasten to add that this is because they probably don't perceive dance as manly manliness due to immaturity.) That's why they posture up to me when I have a title and an area of expertise, or why people who've never sat at the controls of an aircraft start acting like fighter jockeys when they discover I'm an amateur pilot. Strangely, these same boys don't feel compelled to posture up when they learn I played French horn for years or like to paint little miniatures. Immature men have a need to project strength rather than simply value themselves.
@@carloscaro9121 what miniatures do you paint? I've recently painted some miniatures for a adventure party based on stock characters from the Commedia dell'Arte.
@@stephena1196 Random little dudes for various war and roleplaying games I print with my resin printed. I am working on getting some Cyberpunk dudes done next.
that would be a good point, had i not been taken down the path of opiate addiction by a pill pushing big pharma doc. your point doesn't work for the applied sciences. and just so you know, i've self diagnosed quite a number of things that docs couldn't figure out, and fixed it for myself with herbs/self care. most doctors are just collecting an inflated paycheck these days. i told my doc that i destroyed my gut biome when i caught disentery in india. doc signed me up for an allergy test and said there's no treatment for reestablishing gut biome... both the advice and the treatment were simply wrong. glad i didn't take that dummy's advice as medical truth, as i'd never find healing then. american doctors just want to keep you sick, bro.
This is called the “Dunning Kruger Effect.” I won’t go into huge detail about it, but when you get to the point of any sport or activity, like MMA or Boxing, where you realize you don’t know what you don’t know, then you will understand. You will never be as confident in the ring or octagon then before the first time you ever step in a ring or Octagon. Your confidence before ever attempting a combat sport is, for those kind of men, at a superfluously high level. And I stress the word superfluously.
I was about to say the same thing. Your summary is great. I would summarize the DK effect as - the discrepancy between what you know and what you think there is to know. For example I am 40 and have trained in Mauy Thai and BJJ for exactly one year and the main thing I have learned is how much I don't know and that I am woefully unprepared to fight someone, sports or otherwise.
Like your explanation in a roundabout way fighting's a lot like selling I've been selling for 25 years and a lot of people think they can sell and don't know anything about it they don't realize that there's an actual art to it and a system kind of funny when somebody drinks they think they can fight and they also think they're good at communicating especially guys with women
Rob Fel I don’t think that’s a correct usage of the word “superfluous.” I’m like 67% sure. That’s not the usage I understand, anyway. If disagree I’ll fight you.
I think it has to do with the fact that fighting is such a primal instinct... maybe, we all think we can fight at a high level because deep in our DNA we should be prepared to fight for food, so that makes us feel somehow familiar to fighting, even though we couldn't fight our way out of a wet paper bag... combine that with ego and how easy it is to fool ourselves and there you have it.
IT. Every kid with a computer believes he is an IT professional. There is a phenomenon in psychology that people that know little about a subject think they know a lot because they don't know how much they don't know.
There's an old eastern quote that goes something like "The less you know about something, the more you think you know about something." Once you start getting into a field, you know how much more you have to learn. The layperson doesn't know that. Also, 100% with the computer stuff. You can't imagine how many people I see online who threaten to hack people. It's so cringe because they can't even answer basic questions.
@@athands how dare you say this about me I have already launched the hack your firewall is 67.3% breached it's almost over and already to late for you!!!
its pretty simple. whatever sport you watch, the professionals always look like losers. wether its football, tennis, boxing, mma etc. only once you start to do these things yourself you start to realize how hard it is and at which level those world class athletes performe. Plus some people just think if they ever get into a situation in which they will have to fight for their lifes, some magic power would kick in and they would be able to do what bruce lee did in his movies.
It's the fact that people really don't grow up. I coach kids in basketball, have for well over a decade now. You see all those kids try to shoot 3's or some crazy lay up, then fail and quit. Some well meaning person comes over and consols them and off they go. Kids, today especially, don't have the mental toughness to fight through set backs and hardship. They cry, get their way, and think they can actually do something. The whole world is built on delusion these days.
@@adahbombdon1512 not giving up on them, teaching them how to fight, but the hill it's much stepper than it used to be. Kids don't come in tough anymore. They have so much done for them all the time they are not used to fighting for something they want. I like the challenge, but it is harder to get them where I want them and I have to change tactics as I don't think parents are as forgiving of tough work as they used to be. When they do get it though it is a major breakthrough and worth the trouble.
Yep, this! In real life situations, the people that relentlessly train and fight others are going to win over the guy who just goes blank and starts swinging. Like Kahmehamehas aren't real, but liver shots are.
I think the reason is what you said - it's very possible to win a fight with someone you can physically overpower - without knowing how to fight. A lot of these people have fought, and had that experience with someone else who doesn't train. What they haven't had is that "first day of Jiu Jitsu" experience where some nerdy looking dude 45 lbs lighter than them chokes them 10 different ways in the span of 3 minutes.
I had that moment happen to me in my first Boxing class at school. And what’s funny is that I knew how to throw a punch. And I thought that was enough to be good at fighting. Our Maths/IT teacher was the one teaching us. And when I sparred with him, I just completely froze. I didn’t know how to react to getting hit. And he wasn’t even hitting hard. 🤣🤣🤣. One of the best days of my life.
@@franciscodanconia3551 I think it’s great because it humbles you. And shows you that there is a lot of work to be done in order to become the greatest.
@@tensae4725 it didn't for me, probably because me fathers used to hit me a lot. Maybe i was used to it. Anyways, my first martial art was Judo, then i got into capoeira and muay thai
Nature, men generally want to imagine that they are strong because wild animals would attack their families back in the day, and if a man thinks he is weak he will just step aside/run away and let the animal eat his family. If a man thinks he is strong he will be more inclined to protect his lineage. Evolutionarily it has been better for men to overestimate themselves rather than underestimate, biological wiring.
Very well-explained. I'd be inclined to agree. A lot of animals use bluff (cats fur standing on end to look bigger etc.) to intimidate an attacker and mentally disarm them without an actual conflict. Interesting perspective.
@Alberta Strength against a karate i can believe but against a bjj. I think you just lukily throw a sucker punch or you use a weapon like coca cola glass bottle
Most people have a refreshing moment the first time they spar in a newbie class and get hit in the face for the first time. It's like: "oh yea, maybe I don't have a clue". Watching it happen to someone, you can just see the wheels turning in their head.
0:14 "I cannot think of any profession or any skillset other than fighting in which the average person who has never dedicated any time or any atention or any training would think that have any aptitude toward it". It does happens a lot with acting too. And it actually happens with everything in argentina, we are infamous for that and we love it.
I see a lot of people thinking they're immunology experts too I mean they might not know how a vaccine still works, or autism, or any diseases, but hey they know that vaccine bad.
If I was in that fight I would be ... begging for mercy, submitting, surrendering with my hands. You do bring a good point about how odd it is that people are eager to grossly overestimate themselves in a fight, especially since as you mentioned fighting is incredibly dangerous. If I were in a fight I would overestimate my opponent, not the other way around. I believe this is in partly a problem with an unhealthy ego, especially amongst men. They want or even need to feel powerful, and will ignore the fact that they are as vulnerable as anyone else(even more so than everyone else since they are overestimating themselves). After you gave the example of an accountant, I began to wonder would a person believe that without training and studying they could do chemistry(either follow a procedure, or make up their own). I don't think so. Even though chemistry has the potential of being dangerous depending on what is being done, it has no direct element of being powerful. When I created a solution that involves acids, or flammable substances, I am taking a risk, but it doesn't involve feeling powerful. I think thats why no one who doesn't understand what I'm doing, or has never spent a day studying chemistry would look at me in a lab setting, and say "El Segundo Salvador Syndical, you're way is garbage, look how a real man does it," then try to do something with chemicals and set fire to the lab and themselves. TLDR I think that people overestimate themselves in fighting to feel powerful, to avoid feeling vulnerable.
Its simple really: Fighting is natural, primal, an instinctive part of our being. Its necessary for survival, related to hunting for food, providing shelter if need be etc especially the further you go back in time. Just as animals naturally hunt and fight for food, we do the same in a more civilized way. If there were no jobs, schooling, law, rules etc then we would be just as savage and ruthless as animals, since we are animals ourselves. Take away the years of being conditioned to the world as we know it, and we'd be living just as animals do: The Survival of the Fittest. "Training" or not, fighting for food, survival, dominance etc is in our DNA. Again, you dont see animals"training" to fight, but when its time to do so, it will happen. Same goes for us. Something that is naturally a part of our being only needs motivation to be unleashed. Being "good" or trained has nothing to do with what you feel you're capable of and what's a part of who you are. Having the confidence that you can or will win is essential to us surviving on the most basic level. We as men are designed to have this programming of being and to overcome if need be. Fighting was "made into a sport" but derives from a much deeper place than a sport. Other sports are not natural and were made to express the art of competition, battle, struggle, the best etc in ways other than fighting but all have tremendous rules, objectives etc that are required to win and also required to learn. Fighting, while it is technical at the highest levels, is also the most natural of all sports or professions we have today as a means to live in today's society.
Shondarian Nelson I agree that aspects of fighting can feel natural to people. But there are major flaws in what a person instinctively wants to do and what they actually should. Untrained people swing wildly, have their chins up, they lean too far forward when punching and lean back horribly off balance when they dodge. Some people turn away when they flinch, exposing the back of their heads. A big part of training in Martial Arts is to correct the big mistakes we instinctively make.
@@TW-sh2un I didn't day that just because its natural Forge them to do it, that it makes them good at it. Repetition, practice and training aside; having the natural love for something has no correlation on how skilled you are at it. That's not the point and that's also not what I said. Skill and Urge are not the same. What I'm saying ince again, is that BECAUSE of that natural urge, instinct and desire in us, as men in particular with our egos, pride, adrenaline, testosterone etc all in the mix, we are naturally more prone to THINKING we will win. That's how its been since the dawn of time and that's how it will continue to be until the end of time. Biologically it's how we're designed for all of the reasons I've previously mentioned on men being built to be leaders, hunters, providers, protectors etc we HAVE to have those instincts in us to survive this world, just as animals are all given tools and instincts they need for their respective species. It's just the way it is.
@@TW-sh2un Not everyone has the same instincts. Some people naturally have good fighting instincts and do not react at all to what you are saying. I've trained BJJ and thai boxing for a decade now. I've seen guys come into the gym without any training and give veterans a hard time. Mostly in thai boxing as Jiu jitsu tends to nullify natural ability with it's technique. Even then though I've seen some really tough strong guys come into Jiu jitsu and give higher belts a fit. What I'm saying is some people have a natural instinct for fighting. Don't believe for a second that just because someone doesn't train and you do that you can easily overcome them.
Engaging in fights may be natural, but fighting effectively in fights is certainly not. The body movements you learn day 1 in BJJ or Judo, like shrimping or posturing inside someone's closed guard are very unnatural and hard to pull off without practice and conditioning. Ramsey dewey has said it best in this channel before, when people who don't usually get in fights get into a street fight, their technique sucks and they do all kinds of things that open them up to a lot of dangers without realizing it. If you are trying to say that fighting effectively against someone else comes naturally, then I disagree.
"So you wish to conquer in the Olympic Games, my friend? And I, too... But first mark the conditions and the consequences. You will have to put yourself under discipline; to eat by rule, to avoid cakes and sweetmeats; to take exercise at the appointed hour whether you like it or not, in cold and heat; to abstain from cold drinks and wine at your will. Then, in the conflict itself you are likely enough to dislocate your wrist or twist your ankle, to swallow a great deal of dust, to be severely thrashed, and after all of these things, to be defeated. Epictetus
His name makes it all the better too. In greek, Επίκτητος, means acquired, in the way you d use it in acquired skills. Guess he understood and realised the hopes of his parents huh :p
This is so true. The more self-defense training I've taken the more I've come to understand just how dangerous and unpredictable a situation a fight is. I've been in exactly one street fight in my life and that's one too many.
When I went to my first HEMA class, there was a kid who was also there for the first time. It happened to be the monthly sparring day for the club, and against his better judgment, the head instructor let us both try sparring. The kid ended up tripping over his own feet and injured his knee. He thought just like these people you talked about. Absolutely no training in fencing or any other combat sports and he thought he could wield a longsword like an expert. I at least had a little knowledge and experience with combat training from the military
Probably the Budweiser effect at the MMA event. There's an inverse relationship between actual and perceived performance that is linearly related to how much booze one has consumed.
Dunning Kruger effect. I didn’t know what I didn’t know before I started training. I tell people I know it’s really best to try and avoid a fight. No one wins, and it would be really bad if you mess with the wrong person on the wrong day. The average person just doesn’t know what some people are capable of. The more I learn, the more I realize there is that I don’t know.
"We don't see this with other professions." I've had idgits tell me that they understood accounting before asking me why the IRS is auditing them, and I have had people tell me that race car driving isn't a sport 'cause everyone can drive. Running, as an exercise, results in more injuries than any other 'cause everyone thinks that they know how to run. This is everywhere.
Oh yeah, running clubs are great because every now and then you get to see beginners go racing ahead of the group for the first kilometer, then you see them walking, then you never see them again.
lol yeah that dude is wrong as fuck about that. Im a programmer and there are comapnies that litearlly train illiterate uneducated people from india how to be programmers in a few months. It really is something anyone can do with some googling and self lessons.
Lol thats me. I study gait mechanics but running technique i havent been able to pinpoint the fundamentals. I only watched yt vids and a lot of them are conflicting, Can you point me in the right direction?
I think the inverse is true too. A highly trained fighter has likely had their weaknesses pointed out to them in someway and are, in my experience, more likely to downplay their abilities.
Yep. Good fighters are always training with better fighters. So compared to their peers in the gym, they’re average or even at the bottom of the pecking order. Meanwhile against the untrained, a professional fighter is like a Jedi space wizard by comparison.
@@RamseyDewey hello Ramsey, Can u pls do a vdo on - "Jon Jones - fighting IQ " ......??? How many average dudes cud JJ take on , in a Street fight ??? I heard in a vdo that he cud take on 14 regular dudes ... do u agree sir ? Pls let me know ur opinion on this .... 🙏🏼🙏🙏🏼🙏
"Why do non-fighters think they know how to fight?" I would say it is a particularly insidious form of unconscious incompetence. To use your point about the ringside MMA loudmouth: this could be a person who has engaged in fights in the past and won, but simply does not know his level of his own incompetence because his competition was even less competent than he was. Not knowing his own incompetence and not having the introspection to be able to self-assess can easily lead to this idea. Fighting is also a somewhat natural activity that people rarely ever seriously pressure test, leading to a false sense of competence.
In our gym we get the occasional street fighter that's had hundreds of fights and has never lost. Usually one sparring session with a seasoned guy changes all that talk. Then it's at that point you see what hes made of depending on if he continues to train or you never see them again.
The funniest thing to me is so called street fighters even lose to traditional martial arts guys more then half the time. Let alone How destroyed they are in a MMA or kick boxing bout.
Pro athletes vividly imagine performing their sport as a way of preparation and studies show it works. It is built in the notion that the brain cannot tell the difference between imagining performance and performing it. So, most men have vividly imagined fighting others and have always won. The brain uses this “experience” to form an opinion of fighting ability.
What happens whenever you visualize fighting with someone else, your fist turns into cotton and you can't feel like you're doing any damage and your imaginary opponent starts beating the shit out of you though?
Cheeki Breeki I think that’s dreaming, not active visualization. It works best though with a set routine like figure skating, gymnastics or ski jumping.
Bro, I’ve been training most of my life, martial arts as a kid, Army as an adult, police officer..I train JKD and BJJ now And I am constantly humbled by how much my fight game is lacking..which is why I keep training...COVID has been rough..but you get me
I see this all the time. Guys tell me they can crack me in two seconds and i laugh. Then they say they're a little bigger but i train with guys at MMA that are way bigger then them. I never take it seriously when someone tells me so anymore
My guess is there's two main reasons that can often magnify the effect of each other. 1) No prior training is required to be able to seriously hurt an average person who also doesn't train; it's mostly just down to the _equippment_ they were born with. 2) Most people tend not to appreciate that almost any endeavour-fighting, science or some kind of performance art-will have a very deep history, with many discoveries and innovtions made along the way to it's present form. The ideas which survive to the present day will have done so for a reason, but that reason is unlikely to be known without study. For many people, it's only after you've surprised yourself a few times with how much there is to learn about any given topic, that you come to expect that most topics probably have unforseen depth. A person is much more likely to overestimate their aptitude for something if they do not yet realise the scale of their ignorance.
This is soo true and I was guilty of it too when I was younger. When I actually started do train, to spar, got into street fights with stronger people, to watch yt videos on how much technique is important and record myself how many mistakes I made in sparring or on the heavy bag I understood that I know nothing. Stay humble and don't let your egos take over. Have a great day and thank you Ramsey.
Related to the video: I think a big part of it is that in my culture (and in many others, I believe), men are expected to be able to fight. Movies and books and video games and TV and all other forms of media always tell you that you need to be able to inflict violence on other humans in order to be a man. And since fantasizing about being a tough warrior is much easier than actually becoming a halfway decent fighter, most men opt for the first option.
Donque Shot older brothers and super strong dads who sorta pick on you make those figures seem so overwhelmingly powerful that you gain such a confidence. Jon Jones would likely get decimated by his older brother
It's stupid indeed, if you ask regular people if they would be good at any other sport which they have never done before they will say probably not. But when it comes to fighting they always think they are magically good at it. They say things like "why does that guy who is fighting just get up". It's horrible. Also the booing while fighters show great technique on the ground is disgusting. Go watch kickboxing if you can't appreciate ground techniques.
@@nullakjg767 Neither can you in fighting if the person you are fighting is a trained fighter. Sure, a bite will cause damage but it's not a fight ender. You know what is? Chokes, submission, punching someone unconscious. And all that stuff is only going to happen if you train hard to be able to do it. th-cam.com/video/1fhmAl6KZXo/w-d-xo.html here is a great and funny video on biting in a fight.
@@VincentMMALife Do they train you how to stop someone from biting you in the neck? Like if a fighter can be clinched, he can be bit in the neck lol. You dont have to train chimps to fight. And they certainly dont win fights with armbars and naked chokes.
@@nullakjg767 You are not that smart are you? Chimps are way different than people. They can not only bite harder, have sharper and bigger teeth, are way stronger and are just not humans. Also a trained fighter won't let you bite them in the clinch. Your head will be pulled down and you will get bombarded by knees. If you try to bite a trained fighter in their neck you only bring your head closer to them to be punched. Biting doesn't work if the person who you are fighting knows what he is doing. If you think biting works you have never been in a fight with a trained mma practitioner.
I was assaulted by what I suspect was a gang member outside of my gym a few months ago . This guy was half my size , I’m 6’ 2” 240 pounds and am quite built. This guy was maybe 5’ 9 170 pounds and was so self confident that he was going to “destroy me” that he slurred every insult he could conceive of in hopes to provoke me . I told him I wasn’t going to fight him but if he came at me it wouldn’t end well for him. Apparently he didn’t like me saying that so he came at me . I don’t believe in fighting to prove myself, but I also dont believe in allowing someone to prey on me and force me shrink and cower to them so they can feel powerful or whatever which is what this guy was trying t to do. Some people might disagree with that.. but everyone’s got to sleep with themselves at night and live accordingly. He came at me and was surprisingly quick with his hands but with my prior training and the calmness that came from it , I simply stayed in my tight boxing guard and closed the distance to where I got ahold of him , over powered him to the ground and manhandled him easily , grabbed him by the trachea and fed him a few shots till he whimpered and just covered up in a fetal position and that was pretty much how it ended. He landed one punch from the initial swing that he threw which gave me a little cut on the forehead , and I somehow ended up breaking my hand but he was in much worse condition. It’s been years since I’ve been in a scrap , the moral of the story and from what I took from it is it doesn’t matter how confident someone seems to be ; it doesn’t mean anything. There’s a lot of delusional people out there. Having said that for any kids reading this, don’t ever fight out of ego or emotion but stay grounded and make the right decision.
You really are a versatile person. Knowing your way around the world and some of its languages, ballet, music and - of course - fighting. Always a pleasure watching your videos.
I work security in a hospital and the weirdos in the psych room always think they can beat my ass.. I just had an old man tonight tell me he was gonna beat my ass... Everybody think's they're mr tough guy until I have to put them on their face...
I knew a woman in college whose partner dropped her in the middle of a performance. Her ankle was severely broken and her career was ruined. She was in a beginning ballet class with me. It was the first she'd danced in years. I'm glad you paid attention and didn't drop the Snow Queen.
You've said something about "everything goes exactly as planned until you got hit in the head", and I think it is just that. Confidence is a lie we tell ourselves before we do things we've never done before. When I first got introduced to sparring I have had 3 months of experience in boxing, and in a completely different environment with a completely different coach I have the illusion that what I have learned in my previous gym would definitely get me the upper hand when it comes to combat, I believe that I was unstoppable since I have perfected each movement there is to the art, and then I got hit in the head.
Even more common is thinking you understand it for example "prime Mike Tyson would KO any wrestler who try to take him down" This is very common comment.
Most people who think they know how to fight usually have at least 1 physical advantage over people. Weather it’s strength, size, and or athleticism. And so they think they know how to fight just cause they can beat a normal person using their physical advantages . When in reality all they have is those physical attributes , and they have no real skill . Most of them end up getting humbled as soon as they go against someone who is trained .
More dudes need to get arrested, resist arrest then get overpowered by 5 cops and they would slowly realize after this that theyre not fighting like 10 men at once
I fought 4 guys at once and won about 6 years ago, I’m 26 now and have had 13 amateur boxing bouts 12 wins. It’s not unrealistic if you’ve got the power to knock people down/out with 1 punch. If I was against 4 guys and 1-2 of them boxed or did any other combat sports then I’m pretty sure I would not have won that day.
Had a new guy come to our boxing lesson this week that kept saying " Yeh but if this was a street fight...." or " Man if this was a real fight." Dude had ZERO technique.
I was never cocky and I was always down to earth. I have been training boxing for over an year now. It's safe to say that my whole world view changed once I exprienced true violence. So far I got my nose busted pretty badly two times. It's a super humbling experience.
The more I train my confidence grows. The more I spar the more I'm humbled. The more I do both I realize I don't want to get in a street fight. But if I do I'd rather have some tools than nothing. Train hard for violence but live by peace.
I think it's because there is something about all arts that appears easy until you understand how the said art works... You always get people who say they could write a novel if they wanted, who could make a game if they wanted. Or make music: Think about something like "technical death metal vs average radio-pop." The average listener doesn't understand what the hell is going on in, say, Gorguts' music, so they assume it's 1) bad and 2) easy to write and play, since if they knew how to make pretty music, they would, right? The same also works the other way; when I was learning how to play guitar, because I felt like I started getting some skill in the art of music, I looked down on pop music for being simple, easy, and boring. I didn't understand that the challenge of writing/arranging/producing pop required a lot of skill, just of a different kind from what I looked up to. Fighting is especially prone to attracting these people since a lot of what actually happens in a fight isn't apparent to the layman. Things like distance management, positioning, and mental pressure are too subtle to perceive unless you know about them yourself, so the average Joe only sees the punches, kicks, and grapples (and most of the time doesn't understand what happens during the grapples).
@@LINKchris87 There is a book "Why Your Five-year-old Could Not Have Done that" that is probably your best answer books.google.com/books/about/Why_Your_Five_year_old_Could_Not_Have_Do.html
In my experience, it's not just men who think they are magically competent, or even masterful at fighting, I've seen alot of women have that false confidence as well. The sad thing is, in the case of both genders, there exists a subset of people who seem to genuinely believe in their unearned martial prowess, from the very depths of their being, the same as they believe gravity will hold things down and the sun will continue to shine. It may have to do, in part, with our aggression, as a species, but I think it has a lot to do with how peaceful society is, and therefore people are not actually physically challenged with a real fight, for the most part. Also, those that are, tend to be challenged by someone who is equally inept, and that may help propogate the falsehood that they are better than they are, if they beat down someone who is slightly more inept, or just slightly weaker or less lucky.
I was at a local MMA event the other week and some dude next to me yelled " JUST SHRIMP" at literally any BJJ scramble that happened throughout the night.
I think it's a function of ego and cultural attitudes. We're ingrained with the idea that men are tough, and so men think "I'm a man, I must be tough". Even if they know they can't, how many people are ever going to admit they don't know how to fight, or they think several people in their social circle could kick their ass? Sharing your ideas on how to kick ass is a way people assert themselves, a display of dominant behaviour. And we all know that questioning someone on their misguided notions would often result in a "Oh yeah, you wanna find out how I fight?" kind of confrontation, so people don't get challenged in the way that someone would correct their maths. And, generally speaking, idiots that do go about getting into fights are probably not picking out huge mismatches, they're bullies picking a target. And even those who do lose fights always have an excuse to protect their ego. I remember a "fight" at school in which some kid tried to pick on a friend of mine (the new kid, basically). My friend pushed him to the ground, kicked him, and walked away. All the talk around school was how my friend had tried to sucker punch him and got lucky he tripped before he could run off. Even though a bunch of us witnessed it, we weren't going to make things worse by pointing out what a lie it all was. The egos of the bullies went on strong.
Been doing BJJ for about 2 years and I just got my blue belt. Honestly i still feel i have not even scratched the surface. In the late 30s and sometimes get smashed in class but i keep going as it's therapy/hobby for me.. I was having this conversation about takedowns with someone who has never ever done any martial arts in there whole life and is a chain smoker. He said i would win a street fight because it would be so difficult to take me down. I was laughing so hard in my head. I asked him to come and train with us. Till this day hes never showed up.
The thing about fighting is that anyone can fight, which gives them a huge ego boost and instills a false sense of confidence. I'm still young in the martial arts but I've seen the difference between a trained fighter and a guy that that thinks he can fight it's insane how large the gap really is
It is called the Dunning-Krueger effect. The more incompetent we are at a particular skill, the more we tend to over estimate our competence on that skill. It becomes even more noticeable in something as able to affect to one's self esteem and pride as fighting. It is almost funny when you put gloves on armchair coaches. After one minute into round 1 soft sparring, they are gasping for air and you can see how they don't seem to believe what is happening. "So I'm not Chuck Norris after all?" 🤣
I train, but know I'm just scratching the surface. One of the worst things you can do is overestimate yourself and underestimate the other person, yet it happens quite a bit.
I got into Martial arts at the age of 12 thanks to Bruce Lee, I saw Enter the Dragon when it first came out, I studied Hung Gar Gung Fu for four years, I wish we had MMA back then, I quite enjoyed it, but my side kick these days is just my trusty dog, I'm thinking of signing up for Cane Fu now. Great to see how MMA is catching on with young men and women, wish I was twenty again.
because the average person does know how to fight, at least to an extent, we all have arms and legs and are capable of kicking and punching another human being. yeah a trained fighter will be better but that's the same with everything, we all know how to run but an Olympic runner would probably be better at running. fighting is a very primitive thing that humans have been able to do since cavemen times. it's just that these days people have invented ways to do it better. plus what is the basics of boxing, get in to a stance with one foot in front of the other. keep your arms up, throw a punch, either jab, hook, uppercut, the average person can do that with no training but a trained person can do it better.
Well that’s kind of true, but my experience when I sparred with people who were beginners or hadn’t trained was how predictable they were. Almost like fighting children. Some people will have some natural ability but my experience was that to be a good fighter you have to put the time in and learn like anything else.
@@kylanpierce8210 they don't based on what they posted.Most people aren't athletic/coordinated enough to hit a moving target with their fists or any other part of their body for that matter.
As always, if you have questions for the next Q&A with the coach, leave them in the comments below!
Who wins Fury or Wilder? Masvidal vs Usman. How comes that a guy like Masvidal has gotten so much better at whats the tail end of most fighters careers? What type of fighting styles age well? Thanks.
Question: can you teach an old man like me (41) MMA? Don’t want to compete, just think it would be interesting and a good way to exercise!
Coach do you think experience trumps technique. For example someone with bad execution but lots of experience as opposed to a person with good technique and less experience?
By the way, thanks for the cup video. I'm protected against sneaky low blows now.
Ramsey Dewey love you Ramsey. Answer to your question is this: men also armchair quarterback professional football and baseball. Why they do it? Because in their delusion getting into a street fight is the same as a professional fight, backyard football is the same as the NFL and backyard baseball is the same as MLB.
Yes, it’s very delusional but that’s the reality of it.
Any tips for translating performance in the gym to competition?
"Why do non-fighters think they know how to fight?"
Same reason as to why people think they know how to shoot a gun without any training. Media, shows, games, movies, etc. Allow people to think they're capable of replicating the same feats, leading them to these delusions.
HAHAHAHA EXACTLY
idk how hard is it to poke someone in the eye balls and bite someones neck? Its just convention that stops people from fighting to their full potential. Even wild animals can fight instinctualy.
Because we all have some innate fighting instinct, and we feel bad if we have to admit it"s not enough
Very true
Shooting a gun is alot easier than knowing how to fight.
It might be far fetched but if you look at a guy who has never fought in his life; that guy also never lost a fight in his life.. That's why they can tell to themselves that they would never lose a streetfight etc.
Humans can be slaves to their passions. Or even less selfish ,more noble emotions... Its not just 'some people' & they are not 'idiots' separate from the rest of 'us'...In our lives its happened to ALL of us at some time or another.
Haha love it" blue riben for everyone!!!
Good point. They are cocky coz they haven't been humbled yet.
Everyone has a plan till the get punched in the face.
"Hey man I gotta go to work tomorrow." That's what you say to the new guy just before sparring, because 100% of new guys come with a huge overhand right. And I don't care how experienced you are, the newbie throwing the overhand right immediately is bad news. Even if it's just sparing, and you block it, you're still getting buzzed.
Every man is dangerous regardless of how experienced and trained they are. They get "one free punch".
There’s an African saying which goes ‘it’s the man who’s never been to battle that calls himself a great warrior.’
That said this applies to most sports - not just fighting. Have you listened to ordinary talk about football? Jeez!
I would love to know the source of this quote man 🙏🏼
Oh I like this
Exactly!
Average "beer-dads" gave "couch advice" to Maradona,
Gretzky and Shaq. And they still do it all the time with
the next generation of either.
Dunning-Kruger Effect...
I have great respect for ballet dancers... they warm upp their limbs i 2 houres... they are athleats.... I ones in dojo met a professional ballet dancer who started traing teakwondo... with us, and he was remarkable... he did split like Van Damme in the locker room on two chears and after a few weeks he was kicking very well. And he had six pack... he was an athleat. In the beging when some guys herad he was a ballet dancer they thought he was a wimp but they changed their mind very soon. He was an atheleat an we who trainded 3-4 timesa week + strenght traing + running , we was wimps... comapre to jis physicue
"I train for the streets" just means "I'm stupid enough to think I can defeat a trained fighter even though I have little to no experience because I expect dirty fighting tactics and throwing my entire body weight around to carry me throughout an encounter"
because everybody knows that a trained fighter has absolutely no clue about how to do dirty stuff in a street fight scenario.. .. . ..
except for bas rutten i suppose..
@@miou-miou- Ummm....u are so wrong dude...they are restricted 🤣🤣 most of the UFC fighters are violent since childhood and are street fighters......jorge...khabib....dereck lewis....diaz bros. What do u think will happen if they tell the UFC fightwers that they can use anything....eye pokes ..soccer kicks 🤣🤣 ppl won't stand a chance
@@zoropiratehunter4103 you see all those dots at the end of my sentence there? "fight scenario.. .. . .. " ?
i figured it was pretty obvious that i shouldnt have to tell people that i meant the opposite.. a trained fighter who doesnt have to abide any commissioned rules is guaranteed to win against some random chump who says "on the streets there are no rules"..
i also mentioned bas rutten because he has talked about this quite a lot already.
Lol it CAN mean that but sometimes it means you train for actual self defense and not a ring with rules and a referee
Your goal in that case wouldn’t be to be able to beat a trained fighter but just the average person who might attack you on the streets
the street is still different than a cage fight, you never know when a weapon will come out when multiple people will gang on you, and a fall on the asphalt is way deadlier than a cage fight. some fighters train for point getting or under the premise that there will be a rest time, that some moves won't be used on you.
That being said martial art is there for a reason, you can't throw haymakers and expect to win.
"If that was me I'd throw some knees"
Louis, local kneecap collector, professional graveyard scavenger.
I'm a high school teacher, and I swear parents are sure they would be perfect teachers 😅
I was thinking something similar. I think it also really applies with the occupation of parent. It's not so hard to become one (for most people) but it really requires a lot to be a good one.
When I was a kid it looked so easy...
My kids only 3, I've never thought that though. I appreciate what you do and I don't think I'd be good at it.
I am a social worker and it's the same for me. People think that I just sit there and listen. Active listening, centering the client and asking the right questions is definitely a skill that has taken me years to acquire and I could still improve on. But no, any self-absorbed ass off the street can do this.
And dont forget The politicians!
Man. Just because everyone has gone to school makes them think they know what its like from the other side of the desk.
Umm I know someone who realized one of his kids wasn't being taught well, so he took over as the teacher for that subject. The parents of the kids in that class think he's great
I'm imagining a crowd at a ballet performance jeering and screaming at them, "PIROUETTE!"
Or perhaps: "if I was in there, I'd knee her in the face!". Would make ballet a lot .... Different.
Hahahahaha!!!
I'm sure every 30 something out of shape American who used to play high school Football thinks that he can kick my azz, because my muscles are Concealed. And i don't wear Smedium TapouT shirts.
That's such a hilarious image.
If those people were dancers at home with no training then yes they would
Martial arts, ballet, modern dance, guitar...
Ramsey Dewey: Rennassaince man
That’s pretty good lol
I belive the reason most people overrate their ability to fight is that it is horrifying to accept that you can't. If you watch the news or a movie and see someone getting attacked you will likely think something like "what would I do in that situation?" and admitting to yourself that you would be completly helpless is to scary for most people so they make up a fantasy about how they could absolutly defend themselves even without any training.
A video like this was on the news when I was 12. That's EXACTLY how I got into martial arts. I was able to recognize how useless most people are in such situations. Underrated comment.
@@pehobguseless you are man
"Hard to hurt" also noted this... it's deeply rooted in our psyche
Ha ha... uhhh... that reminded me of how my wife acts when we’re watching a UFC fight “I would just go crazy on him.” Ok wife.
Tbh she sounds fun
you watch ufc fights with your wife?. 🙂
I think she means that in a very different way than how you understand it 😂😂😂
@@dannyv4283 LMAO
Hey, my husband and me also watch UFC together
It's the Dunning-Kreuger effect. And some professions get it, too. As a former co-worker once said, "Police work must be the easiest job in the world, because *everyone" knows exactly how to do it."
It is not? 🤔 How comes only annoying idiots are appointed to those jobs?
This is the reason !
I have reverse dunning Krueger because I’m pretty sure i suck compared to people who know what they are doing, in just about everything
@@mccalltrader imposter syndrome?
@@mccalltrader that's part of DK effect. More experienced underrate themselves
Some people just assume that rage and anger translates into being a good fighter.
I've heard a decent amount of men claim that they just black out and become this unstoppable fighting monster.
That also reminds med of the type of guy who claims that he legit fears no man.
Even Tyson and Ali admitted to being afraid before a fight
Viking Breh those are athletes though. I’ve had 1 or 2 dumb friends who honestly feared no man, at least it seemed that way. Usually the small guys, ones who always had to stand up for themselves.
Viking Breh there is a difference between fear and respect. I would say I fear no man because we all breathe and bleed. I also would say I respect all men because they are all capable. You can be confident and still humble
@@animalcrackurr4875 so if anyone wants to fight you then your pulse doesn't even rise? No adrenalin? Congrats you are officially tougher than Tyson, Ali and many other legendary fighters
Viking Breh once again fear and respect are different. I have been fighting since 5 years of age it is comfortable for me I enjoy it, ofcourse. I've had nerves competing against good competition. That is adrenaline not fear, I fear heights, jumping out of airplanes in those moments I freeze, I have never froze in a fight. Also some people are different tyson has known insecurities he has said it himself. Ali I doubt ever feared a man I'm sure he respected them though. There is no 1 answer to those type of questions.
An animal brawl and a fight are not the same.
The more training I do , I realize how much I don’t know about fighting, when I started in martial arts over twenty years ago I thought I was a great fighter, but I wasn’t.
Thats with any skill though. The more you learn the more you realize you dont know much at all
Martial arts is for defense only. Not fighting.
@@ሕያው its not a linear progression, it curves and ends up being confidence in the end.
MrParkerman6 with respect, martial arts mean different things to different people, and two totally different words can have the same definition when applied to a real world scenario.
Bez Nervoze , some we’re terrible and a few of them could put you down in a hot second, The late Guy Kurose , rip ,heavyweight college full contact champion in Japan, my teacher , Taky Kimora student under Bruce lee , learned a few things from him as well
Every dude that lifts weights thinks they automatically know how to fight
I always thought that declining now and those types were becoming a lot more self aware, perhaps I was wrong. The one that I dislike is still the person has assumption that people with the big muscles are automatically tough, they still have that WWF/ Arnold swatznegger syndrome, I remember a few years ago in college their was this stereotyped, muscly guy versus a small, slightly chubby dude and every one thought one sided ass whooping was coming but they were all shocked by the fight and I just remembered telling em you can’t make assumptions but I also think it can the other way too but it’s funny how for many years that type of individual had automatically being feared as a dangerous fighter
That's just not true.
Other people think that about guys who lift.
And lightweight fighters are butthurt because they look like they can't fight (although they can).
The lifters themselves (should) know they're no good in a fight against a trained individual, unless they train fighting themselves.
If you can't fight lifting weights is not gonna teach you. Infact if anything it will make you worse at fighting because it makes you stiff and slows your reflexes. Ever seen the big buff guy who can't wipe his ass get the shit beat outta him by the fast lanky guy? I have.
Dame I do Thai and I lift weights but alright man
@@lazydaze3134 not true
I recently thought about this a bit and hearing your piece and reading some comments helped me to come to a conclusion. What got me thinking about it is that my uncle, who never fought anyone after finishing fifth grade in school, said he could beat me, someone who trains two to three times a week for three years now in a fist fight. I invited him to fight me with gloves, he declined.
So I also thought to myself how stupid it is that people think they can fight and found it unfair that people respect other sports but not the one I practice, I have to admit my pride took a slight dent.
But then I realized, people don´t respect other sports as well. Football (soccer) fans complain all the time and claim they could do it better. Same with other team sports or things like free climbing.
The Dunning Kruger Effect seems to be a very valid explanation why people claim to excel in something they never tried them self.
But no untrained person would say they could outrun Usain Bolt in a 100 meter sprint. Or that they would jump further than athletes who specialize in jumping.
You video and the comments helped me to get to the conclusion that the reason for that is, that the simpler the sport is, or at least seems, the easier it is to understand that you are not good at it.
“Boxing is not just punching”
*deontay wilder laughing in the background*
who needs to box when you could knock out a fuckin rhino with your overhand right
He’s right though, I love boxing. But it’s not all that goes into a fight.
Comments getting deleted....not cool Hewey!
Stating "Deontay Wilder has only an overhand right" is as stupid as saying "Mike Tyson was a brawler". Wilder has very good boxing abilities.
Paschan TOPs stop twisting his words. he said that the Deontay’s overhand right could knock out a rhino. not that it was the only thing he had.
As a 16 year old guy who also trains in martial arts I can confirm that at least 90 percent of teenage dudes think they are In fact a ninja that can beat almost anyone In a fight without any kind of experience.
16 here too,same experience even though they mostly try to "test" me in inopportune moments.Going to the cafeteria to get a slice of pizza and out of nowhere getting suckerpunched is not really a situation you can really train now is it
Well you kinda can, awareness is everything.
@@sephy980 it can help if youre in an environment you dont feel safe in,i dont go to school everyday expecting to get punched when going to get some food.
I’m intrigued - how do they handle their first brush with reality ?
For you younger guys: get solid abs. I'm talking blocks of muscle that will make normal people's punches irrelevant.
Do a ton (get to sets of 100+ ASAP) of situps every day, do some planking etc.
This will take care of the people testing you, they'll just think it's cool to punch someone and feel a wall, and punch your abs every once in a while (and leave off the sneak attacks)
Well, You know what they say: "everybody has a plan until they get hit in the face". It is really easy to think about "I would do this and this" until you are in front of a moving target that also attacks you
Well but exactly that is my plan and it worked twice.The moment someone wants to mug me(Without Weapons) I just punch him in the face before he even ended telling me that he wants my money, and then just run away.Pretty effective, because at that point the mugger usually won't think that you immediately punch him.
But I live in Germany. Most Robbers don't use weapons here and only threaten you with physical violence. If a Robber had a Gun or Knife I would instead give him my money and run away.
@@aeropone lol, just be careful, You don't know if they brought any friends that you can't see. But german crime sounds neat haha.
Absolutely, I had the same experience and I do train in kickboxing. The first time I competed I had all these thoughts of what I would do and didn't do any of it when it was go time. That's where I really came to appreciate the saying "you fight how you train".
I dunno whether to laugh or be dumbfounded at dudes who think they can handle themselves in any situation when the extent of their fighting experience is a couple of bar altercations with drunk morons.
moroc333 exactly. I’m new to Jiu jitsu and I’ll think of moved to do, but when I roll I don’t know what to do and just try to survive lmao
I'm pretty sure most fighters keep their game plan after getting hit in the face. If you get in the face and lose your game plan/mentality you're not a real fighter.
It’s actually kinda funny I was talking to some guys in my jiu jitsu class today about this very topic or at least what the result would be. This may be a basic answer but perhaps it’s because some of these guys won some fights in high school or in their younger days so that gives them the confidence of “knowing” how to fight. Hope everything is going good over there where you are with that virus going around wish you well, keep up the good work
I box mostly for fitness, but I have spared many times. I was chatting with a BJJ guy about this very subject. Our consensus was that the average untrained male thinks he can lift more weight and fight better than he really can. I think it's because we cannot understand humility until we've tested ourselves and failed. Most people lack the will to intentionally put themselves in a bad/dangerous situation. Every top fighter got beat up at some point in their career. It's the losses and mistakes that make us humble and ultimately better.
Ive had someone tell me that they have never been dropped in training with a face full of pride, while he was training muay thai for 6 months with beginners and done 2 interclubs "fights in his mind". I immediately said this just means that u train with people that aren't good enough to push u and overpower u. A slight visible confusion and a silent 2 seconds proceed and then straight back to denial "nah, u would have to kill me before i fall to my knees" ye sure buddy.
Hasn’t caught a decent shot to the liver yet I guess? Lol
Miki Miyazaki My bad if I replied to your comment. I wasn’t talking to you. I originally wrote kick to the liver and I changed it to shot before posting. Maybe leaving it would have made that more obvious. I’m thinking about Muay Thai not boxing.
I think maybe it’s easier to land a kick to the liver in mt than a punch in boxing because it’s so much easier to counter the Ross by leaning away a little and tossing out a lead leg kick to the body. Idk though, I haven’t done much straight boxing just Muay Thai and tae kwon do. Thoughts?
In the end it comes down to 2 main reasons that i had noticed. 1st is complete ignorance, someone never gotten into an actual fight will think.. meh, whats the big deal (coz elites make it look easy and effortless. U cannot really blame them as they cannot comprehend what goes behind fighting as i cannot comprehend what psychological factors go in an actual full blown war as an example). 2nd is insecurity. Presenting themselves as tough for the eyes of others n other reasons. If its insecurity it will be loud and will feel desperate for attention so it is worth calling them out on it, much how rogan and schaub called out callen's bullshit in the podcast. Now in ignorance, u can respond nicely, usually when i explain to people how scared shitless a fighter can sometimes be behind that poker face when hes about to make that walk on the ring they tend to put themselves in that situation and understand.
stef hass I’ve been dropped by a light woman with a light punch at the perfect time. What kind of contact can a club have that there is no knockdowns?!
@@whyareyoubothering obviously the guy bullshitting. Or he was just arrogant coz he was sparring complete beginners once or twice at a beginners class when they were going light? Hell i dont know
I completely disagree with the idea this is specific to MMA or any kind of fighting. You don't know what you don't know. Working as a nurse in ICU, I've had plenty of family members of patients express that they could do my job. The spectators see me giving medications or a fighter throwing punches. They don't see the critical thinking and snap decisions being made in a critical situation. People view things from their safe little bubble. You'll never know until you get out there and do it yourself.
As a fellow ICU nurse- yes. I agree so hard.
To be fair, it's kind of easier to throw a punch than to safely give somebody a needle.
Nobody:
everyone in the martial arts comment section: “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”
I’ve had enough of this quote for a lifetime
Yes.
And the Bruce Lee one.
"Everyone has a mike tyson quote until they get bruce lee in water"- whoopi goldberg
and somehow they still always get so many upvotes. its a good quote, but it's been beaten like a dead horse to the point where it's not even clever anymore.
Meanwhile I've kept my plans after being punched in the face 🤣
@@ElecTricksCity You have probably been fighting for a bit now. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've noticed that the ones who use that quote are the ones who have never fought in an actual combat sport before. The ones who have, stick to the game plan and dont get phased by a punch to the mouth
very few men have the courage to admit “i’m scared to fight, i’d get my ass kicked.”
@Quintavious Pearson hey, hi cioccolata
It’s rather terrifying. Of the few I got into in my youth, during the brief moments leading up to them, I needed to exert myself just to keep a stream of piss from running down my leg. It definitely helps to have training so you actually know what you’re doing.
I know my limits. My training gives me confidence and skill unarmed against 1 or 2 people on the street, but if I ever ended up in prison, I'm getting destroyed.
"We don't see this with other professions."
*laughs in physician*
Well, thank you for the heart. Appreciated.
I will add I am quite serious despite my flippant response. It certainly happens to fighters, and I take small comfort in being confident enough in my worth able to be able to say even a mediocre MMA student would kick my ass sideways and back. However, I think the answer is simple.
These boys (and I say boys because it's a sign of immaturity) are threatened by things that make other men look tougher, smarter, higher status, or more "manly" than them. That's why Ramsey Dewey, professional martial artist provokes them, but Ramsey Dewey, ballet dancer does not. (I hasten to add that this is because they probably don't perceive dance as manly manliness due to immaturity.) That's why they posture up to me when I have a title and an area of expertise, or why people who've never sat at the controls of an aircraft start acting like fighter jockeys when they discover I'm an amateur pilot. Strangely, these same boys don't feel compelled to posture up when they learn I played French horn for years or like to paint little miniatures.
Immature men have a need to project strength rather than simply value themselves.
@@carloscaro9121 what miniatures do you paint? I've recently painted some miniatures for a adventure party based on stock characters from the Commedia dell'Arte.
@@stephena1196 Random little dudes for various war and roleplaying games I print with my resin printed. I am working on getting some Cyberpunk dudes done next.
Graphic designer here... yeah...
that would be a good point, had i not been taken down the path of opiate addiction by a pill pushing big pharma doc. your point doesn't work for the applied sciences. and just so you know, i've self diagnosed quite a number of things that docs couldn't figure out, and fixed it for myself with herbs/self care. most doctors are just collecting an inflated paycheck these days. i told my doc that i destroyed my gut biome when i caught disentery in india. doc signed me up for an allergy test and said there's no treatment for reestablishing gut biome... both the advice and the treatment were simply wrong. glad i didn't take that dummy's advice as medical truth, as i'd never find healing then. american doctors just want to keep you sick, bro.
This is called the “Dunning Kruger Effect.” I won’t go into huge detail about it, but when you get to the point of any sport or activity, like MMA or Boxing, where you realize you don’t know what you don’t know, then you will understand.
You will never be as confident in the ring or octagon then before the first time you ever step in a ring or Octagon. Your confidence before ever attempting a combat sport is, for those kind of men, at a superfluously high level. And I stress the word superfluously.
Was about to answer that but scrolled to see if someone did already, glad i did!
I was about to say the same thing. Your summary is great. I would summarize the DK effect as - the discrepancy between what you know and what you think there is to know. For example I am 40 and have trained in Mauy Thai and BJJ for exactly one year and the main thing I have learned is how much I don't know and that I am woefully unprepared to fight someone, sports or otherwise.
Like your explanation in a roundabout way fighting's a lot like selling I've been selling for 25 years and a lot of people think they can sell and don't know anything about it they don't realize that there's an actual art to it and a system kind of funny when somebody drinks they think they can fight and they also think they're good at communicating especially guys with women
I wrote something similar then just saw your response. Got there before me lol
Rob Fel I don’t think that’s a correct usage of the word “superfluous.” I’m like 67% sure. That’s not the usage I understand, anyway.
If disagree I’ll fight you.
Like non-veterans saying "If I WAS in the military....I would be a Navy Seal."
Or my personal favorite:
"Well, I WAS gonna join the Marines, but I knew I'd probably end up punching a drill instructor."
I once farted and didn't wipe after
@Kaiser Wilhelm II ah, you live on the wild side I see.
Mike H -having been a combat Marine-I love hearing guys say that line. Used to make me angry, now makes me laugh. Thanks Mike.
Marines are pussies!
Talking is silver, silence is gold, but experience is always a shiny Diamond
Then mumble should be copper.
I'm stealing this line. This was awesome!
It's all about netherites now kiddo
I think you should change the diamond one into something. Diamond value actually low
I think it has to do with the fact that fighting is such a primal instinct... maybe, we all think we can fight at a high level because deep in our DNA we should be prepared to fight for food, so that makes us feel somehow familiar to fighting, even though we couldn't fight our way out of a wet paper bag... combine that with ego and how easy it is to fool ourselves and there you have it.
In the end of the day it's all about brain.
Well said
IT. Every kid with a computer believes he is an IT professional. There is a phenomenon in psychology that people that know little about a subject think they know a lot because they don't know how much they don't know.
You are 100% correct!! As a 22 year actual IT pro I see this constantly. Connnnnstantly !!!!!
There's an old eastern quote that goes something like "The less you know about something, the more you think you know about something." Once you start getting into a field, you know how much more you have to learn. The layperson doesn't know that.
Also, 100% with the computer stuff. You can't imagine how many people I see online who threaten to hack people. It's so cringe because they can't even answer basic questions.
I know how to run a program from the command line on windows, I'm basically a hacker
Dunning Kruger effect
@@athands how dare you say this about me I have already launched the hack your firewall is 67.3% breached it's almost over and already to late for you!!!
its pretty simple. whatever sport you watch, the professionals always look like losers. wether its football, tennis, boxing, mma etc. only once you start to do these things yourself you start to realize how hard it is and at which level those world class athletes performe.
Plus some people just think if they ever get into a situation in which they will have to fight for their lifes, some magic power would kick in and they would be able to do what bruce lee did in his movies.
It's the fact that people really don't grow up.
I coach kids in basketball, have for well over a decade now. You see all those kids try to shoot 3's or some crazy lay up, then fail and quit.
Some well meaning person comes over and consols them and off they go. Kids, today especially, don't have the mental toughness to fight through set backs and hardship. They cry, get their way, and think they can actually do something.
The whole world is built on delusion these days.
@@openwaters2988
Agreed.
Open Waters damn dude don’t give up on them bro!
@@adahbombdon1512 not giving up on them, teaching them how to fight, but the hill it's much stepper than it used to be. Kids don't come in tough anymore. They have so much done for them all the time they are not used to fighting for something they want.
I like the challenge, but it is harder to get them where I want them and I have to change tactics as I don't think parents are as forgiving of tough work as they used to be.
When they do get it though it is a major breakthrough and worth the trouble.
Yep, this!
In real life situations, the people that relentlessly train and fight others are going to win over the guy who just goes blank and starts swinging.
Like Kahmehamehas aren't real, but liver shots are.
I think the reason is what you said - it's very possible to win a fight with someone you can physically overpower - without knowing how to fight. A lot of these people have fought, and had that experience with someone else who doesn't train. What they haven't had is that "first day of Jiu Jitsu" experience where some nerdy looking dude 45 lbs lighter than them chokes them 10 different ways in the span of 3 minutes.
I had that moment happen to me in my first Boxing class at school. And what’s funny is that I knew how to throw a punch. And I thought that was enough to be good at fighting. Our Maths/IT teacher was the one teaching us. And when I sparred with him, I just completely froze. I didn’t know how to react to getting hit. And he wasn’t even hitting hard. 🤣🤣🤣. One of the best days of my life.
@@tensae4725 what's up with that first experience of getting hit in the face being so great? I had it when I boxed the first few times, too.
@@franciscodanconia3551 I think it’s great because it humbles you. And shows you that there is a lot of work to be done in order to become the greatest.
@@tensae4725 it didn't for me, probably because me fathers used to hit me a lot. Maybe i was used to it.
Anyways, my first martial art was Judo, then i got into capoeira and muay thai
@@tensae4725 Thats on you buddy, why did you freeze?
Nature, men generally want to imagine that they are strong because wild animals would attack their families back in the day, and if a man thinks he is weak he will just step aside/run away and let the animal eat his family. If a man thinks he is strong he will be more inclined to protect his lineage. Evolutionarily it has been better for men to overestimate themselves rather than underestimate, biological wiring.
Very well-explained. I'd be inclined to agree. A lot of animals use bluff (cats fur standing on end to look bigger etc.) to intimidate an attacker and mentally disarm them without an actual conflict. Interesting perspective.
@Alberta Strength you're cool
@Alberta Strength against a karate i can believe but against a bjj. I think you just lukily throw a sucker punch or you use a weapon like coca cola glass bottle
@Alberta Strength So they told you they are black belts before or after you knocked them down!!! Or is it just a dream 😂😂
@@gavrosh00 exactly 😂😂
Most people have a refreshing moment the first time they spar in a newbie class and get hit in the face for the first time. It's like: "oh yea, maybe I don't have a clue". Watching it happen to someone, you can just see the wheels turning in their head.
0:14 "I cannot think of any profession or any skillset other than fighting in which the average person who has never dedicated any time or any atention or any training would think that have any aptitude toward it".
It does happens a lot with acting too. And it actually happens with everything in argentina, we are infamous for that and we love it.
¡Aguante argentina!
I see a lot of people thinking they're immunology experts too
I mean they might not know how a vaccine still works, or autism, or any diseases, but hey they know that vaccine bad.
*Keyboard Warriors:* Its called _"The Art of Fighting, without Fighting"_
Eyy a buffdude fan ... Hello fam
Ha!
It's called the art of delusion.
Thinking you play guitar, without knowing how to. Air guitar.
Duchi - ha ha. That’s a line from Berry Gordy’s ‘The Last Dragon’ way back in the 80’s.
Thanks for the flashback
Here is the short answer. "You Jane. Me Tarzan."
It's because all guys prefer to be the tough guy as opposed to the whimpy dweeb.
Lmao
If I was in that fight I would be ... begging for mercy, submitting, surrendering with my hands.
You do bring a good point about how odd it is that people are eager to grossly overestimate themselves in a fight, especially since as you mentioned fighting is incredibly dangerous. If I were in a fight I would overestimate my opponent, not the other way around.
I believe this is in partly a problem with an unhealthy ego, especially amongst men. They want or even need to feel powerful, and will ignore the fact that they are as vulnerable as anyone else(even more so than everyone else since they are overestimating themselves).
After you gave the example of an accountant, I began to wonder would a person believe that without training and studying they could do chemistry(either follow a procedure, or make up their own). I don't think so. Even though chemistry has the potential of being dangerous depending on what is being done, it has no direct element of being powerful. When I created a solution that involves acids, or flammable substances, I am taking a risk, but it doesn't involve feeling powerful. I think thats why no one who doesn't understand what I'm doing, or has never spent a day studying chemistry would look at me in a lab setting, and say "El Segundo Salvador Syndical, you're way is garbage, look how a real man does it," then try to do something with chemicals and set fire to the lab and themselves.
TLDR I think that people overestimate themselves in fighting to feel powerful, to avoid feeling vulnerable.
Its simple really: Fighting is natural, primal, an instinctive part of our being. Its necessary for survival, related to hunting for food, providing shelter if need be etc especially the further you go back in time. Just as animals naturally hunt and fight for food, we do the same in a more civilized way. If there were no jobs, schooling, law, rules etc then we would be just as savage and ruthless as animals, since we are animals ourselves. Take away the years of being conditioned to the world as we know it, and we'd be living just as animals do: The Survival of the Fittest. "Training" or not, fighting for food, survival, dominance etc is in our DNA. Again, you dont see animals"training" to fight, but when its time to do so, it will happen. Same goes for us. Something that is naturally a part of our being only needs motivation to be unleashed. Being "good" or trained has nothing to do with what you feel you're capable of and what's a part of who you are. Having the confidence that you can or will win is essential to us surviving on the most basic level. We as men are designed to have this programming of being and to overcome if need be. Fighting was "made into a sport" but derives from a much deeper place than a sport.
Other sports are not natural and were made to express the art of competition, battle, struggle, the best etc in ways other than fighting but all have tremendous rules, objectives etc that are required to win and also required to learn. Fighting, while it is technical at the highest levels, is also the most natural of all sports or professions we have today as a means to live in today's society.
Shondarian Nelson I agree that aspects of fighting can feel natural to people. But there are major flaws in what a person instinctively wants to do and what they actually should. Untrained people swing wildly, have their chins up, they lean too far forward when punching and lean back horribly off balance when they dodge. Some people turn away when they flinch, exposing the back of their heads. A big part of training in Martial Arts is to correct the big mistakes we instinctively make.
@@TW-sh2un I didn't day that just because its natural Forge them to do it, that it makes them good at it. Repetition, practice and training aside; having the natural love for something has no correlation on how skilled you are at it. That's not the point and that's also not what I said. Skill and Urge are not the same. What I'm saying ince again, is that BECAUSE of that natural urge, instinct and desire in us, as men in particular with our egos, pride, adrenaline, testosterone etc all in the mix, we are naturally more prone to THINKING we will win. That's how its been since the dawn of time and that's how it will continue to be until the end of time. Biologically it's how we're designed for all of the reasons I've previously mentioned on men being built to be leaders, hunters, providers, protectors etc we HAVE to have those instincts in us to survive this world, just as animals are all given tools and instincts they need for their respective species. It's just the way it is.
@@TW-sh2un Not everyone has the same instincts. Some people naturally have good fighting instincts and do not react at all to what you are saying. I've trained BJJ and thai boxing for a decade now. I've seen guys come into the gym without any training and give veterans a hard time. Mostly in thai boxing as Jiu jitsu tends to nullify natural ability with it's technique. Even then though I've seen some really tough strong guys come into Jiu jitsu and give higher belts a fit. What I'm saying is some people have a natural instinct for fighting. Don't believe for a second that just because someone doesn't train and you do that you can easily overcome them.
@@lazydaze3134 strength ≠ skill
Engaging in fights may be natural, but fighting effectively in fights is certainly not. The body movements you learn day 1 in BJJ or Judo, like shrimping or posturing inside someone's closed guard are very unnatural and hard to pull off without practice and conditioning. Ramsey dewey has said it best in this channel before, when people who don't usually get in fights get into a street fight, their technique sucks and they do all kinds of things that open them up to a lot of dangers without realizing it. If you are trying to say that fighting effectively against someone else comes naturally, then I disagree.
"So you wish to conquer in the Olympic Games, my friend? And I, too... But first mark the conditions and the consequences. You will have to put yourself under discipline; to eat by rule, to avoid cakes and sweetmeats; to take exercise at the appointed hour whether you like it or not, in cold and heat; to abstain from cold drinks and wine at your will. Then, in the conflict itself you are likely enough to dislocate your wrist or twist your ankle, to swallow a great deal of dust, to be severely thrashed, and after all of these things, to be defeated.
Epictetus
His name makes it all the better too. In greek, Επίκτητος, means acquired, in the way you d use it in acquired skills. Guess he understood and realised the hopes of his parents huh :p
Abstain from cold drinks....
@@unwaveringdiscipline5489 so his name is 'Kung Fu'!
They probably picked fights with people they knew they could beat to further their own delusions.
I've seen people clearly lose fights and then later tell the story as if they won or it was close
This is so true. The more self-defense training I've taken the more I've come to understand just how dangerous and unpredictable a situation a fight is. I've been in exactly one street fight in my life and that's one too many.
Yep. Combat should be avoided. Even if you survive, you may never be the same.
When I went to my first HEMA class, there was a kid who was also there for the first time. It happened to be the monthly sparring day for the club, and against his better judgment, the head instructor let us both try sparring. The kid ended up tripping over his own feet and injured his knee. He thought just like these people you talked about. Absolutely no training in fencing or any other combat sports and he thought he could wield a longsword like an expert. I at least had a little knowledge and experience with combat training from the military
Hope you are still not there, that is awful and dangerous to let an absolute beginner do HEMA sparring.
That seems like an error on the instructor's part.
Ramsey's rant was weak, needs more practice to be a pro level arm chair expert.
Why isnt this a top comment?
Probably the Budweiser effect at the MMA event. There's an inverse relationship between actual and perceived performance that is linearly related to how much booze one has consumed.
Yep, like drunk guys always think they can sing... and everyone should hear it.
Dunning Kruger effect. I didn’t know what I didn’t know before I started training. I tell people I know it’s really best to try and avoid a fight. No one wins, and it would be really bad if you mess with the wrong person on the wrong day. The average person just doesn’t know what some people are capable of. The more I learn, the more I realize there is that I don’t know.
"We don't see this with other professions."
I've had idgits tell me that they understood accounting before asking me why the IRS is auditing them, and I have had people tell me that race car driving isn't a sport 'cause everyone can drive.
Running, as an exercise, results in more injuries than any other 'cause everyone thinks that they know how to run.
This is everywhere.
Oh yeah, running clubs are great because every now and then you get to see beginners go racing ahead of the group for the first kilometer, then you see them walking, then you never see them again.
Oh yes, we do. I'm a swimmer. Every imbecile, that can stay in a pool without drowning for five minutes, thinks he can swim.
lol yeah that dude is wrong as fuck about that. Im a programmer and there are comapnies that litearlly train illiterate uneducated people from india how to be programmers in a few months. It really is something anyone can do with some googling and self lessons.
@@nullakjg767 Well, but they train them. And I am pretty sure if those indians would do anything else than they are trained for, they'd fail.
Lol thats me. I study gait mechanics but running technique i havent been able to pinpoint the fundamentals. I only watched yt vids and a lot of them are conflicting, Can you point me in the right direction?
I think the inverse is true too. A highly trained fighter has likely had their weaknesses pointed out to them in someway and are, in my experience, more likely to downplay their abilities.
Yep. Good fighters are always training with better fighters. So compared to their peers in the gym, they’re average or even at the bottom of the pecking order. Meanwhile against the untrained, a professional fighter is like a Jedi space wizard by comparison.
@@RamseyDewey hello Ramsey,
Can u pls do a vdo on -
"Jon Jones - fighting IQ " ......???
How many average dudes cud JJ take on , in a Street fight ???
I heard in a vdo that he cud take on 14 regular dudes ... do u agree sir ?
Pls let me know ur opinion on this .... 🙏🏼🙏🙏🏼🙏
I remember a fight between a 1,65 m tall classmate (2-3 years boxing) and a 1,85 m classmate (no training). The tall guy ended up on his butt.
"Why do non-fighters think they know how to fight?"
I would say it is a particularly insidious form of unconscious incompetence. To use your point about the ringside MMA loudmouth: this could be a person who has engaged in fights in the past and won, but simply does not know his level of his own incompetence because his competition was even less competent than he was. Not knowing his own incompetence and not having the introspection to be able to self-assess can easily lead to this idea.
Fighting is also a somewhat natural activity that people rarely ever seriously pressure test, leading to a false sense of competence.
In our gym we get the occasional street fighter that's had hundreds of fights and has never lost. Usually one sparring session with a seasoned guy changes all that talk. Then it's at that point you see what hes made of depending on if he continues to train or you never see them again.
You just mentioned the Dunning-Krueger effect in immaculate detail.
The funniest thing to me is so called street fighters even lose to traditional martial arts guys more then half the time. Let alone How destroyed they are in a MMA or kick boxing bout.
Tanishq Rawat You beat me to it.
Pro athletes vividly imagine performing their sport as a way of preparation and studies show it works. It is built in the notion that the brain cannot tell the difference between imagining performance and performing it.
So, most men have vividly imagined fighting others and have always won. The brain uses this “experience” to form an opinion of fighting ability.
What happens whenever you visualize fighting with someone else, your fist turns into cotton and you can't feel like you're doing any damage and your imaginary opponent starts beating the shit out of you though?
choreomaniac amazing comment
Cheeki Breeki I think that’s dreaming, not active visualization. It works best though with a set routine like figure skating, gymnastics or ski jumping.
Dang this makes sense.
Cheeki Breeki This happens in my dreams. Always. Every single fighting dream I EVER had.
People who dont lift (weight training) think they are stronger then people who go to the gym.
Gets asked armwrestling all the time. Then they wonder how fast they loose lol.
@@YearsOVDecay1 haha. Was reppin 7 plates at deadlift one came over said 'u did it wrong'.
@@automaticninjaassaultcat3703 i lift weights not machines
@@chrisinvictus1230 you can lift wrong regardless of the number on the side of the plate
@@stephenhartley2853 experience
Bro, I’ve been training most of my life, martial arts as a kid, Army as an adult, police officer..I train JKD and BJJ now
And I am constantly humbled by how much my fight game is lacking..which is why I keep training...COVID has been rough..but you get me
Also super impressed you know that the dueling dance of the ballet even had a name..let alone that it was French!
I see this all the time. Guys tell me they can crack me in two seconds and i laugh. Then they say they're a little bigger but i train with guys at MMA that are way bigger then them. I never take it seriously when someone tells me so anymore
Dude your guitar is excellent, cool to see another martial artists with a passion for music!!. Smooth as heck bud
I'm a drummer and I train..
As a non-fighter, I could definitely take you in a fight Ramsey
🤣🤣 yh me too
My guess is there's two main reasons that can often magnify the effect of each other.
1) No prior training is required to be able to seriously hurt an average person who also doesn't train; it's mostly just down to the _equippment_ they were born with.
2) Most people tend not to appreciate that almost any endeavour-fighting, science or some kind of performance art-will have a very deep history, with many discoveries and innovtions made along the way to it's present form. The ideas which survive to the present day will have done so for a reason, but that reason is unlikely to be known without study. For many people, it's only after you've surprised yourself a few times with how much there is to learn about any given topic, that you come to expect that most topics probably have unforseen depth. A person is much more likely to overestimate their aptitude for something if they do not yet realise the scale of their ignorance.
This is soo true and I was guilty of it too when I was younger.
When I actually started do train, to spar, got into street fights with stronger people, to watch yt videos on how much technique is important and record myself how many mistakes I made in sparring or on the heavy bag I understood that I know nothing. Stay humble and don't let your egos take over.
Have a great day and thank you Ramsey.
Ramsey. You got a fantastic movie trailer voice! 😀
Related to the video: I think a big part of it is that in my culture (and in many others, I believe), men are expected to be able to fight. Movies and books and video games and TV and all other forms of media always tell you that you need to be able to inflict violence on other humans in order to be a man. And since fantasizing about being a tough warrior is much easier than actually becoming a halfway decent fighter, most men opt for the first option.
Donque Shot older brothers and super strong dads who sorta pick on you make those figures seem so overwhelmingly powerful that you gain such a confidence. Jon Jones would likely get decimated by his older brother
It's stupid indeed, if you ask regular people if they would be good at any other sport which they have never done before they will say probably not. But when it comes to fighting they always think they are magically good at it. They say things like "why does that guy who is fighting just get up". It's horrible. Also the booing while fighters show great technique on the ground is disgusting. Go watch kickboxing if you can't appreciate ground techniques.
Well thats because you cant win other sports by biting someone in the neck.
@@nullakjg767 Neither can you in fighting if the person you are fighting is a trained fighter. Sure, a bite will cause damage but it's not a fight ender. You know what is? Chokes, submission, punching someone unconscious. And all that stuff is only going to happen if you train hard to be able to do it. th-cam.com/video/1fhmAl6KZXo/w-d-xo.html here is a great and funny video on biting in a fight.
@@VincentMMALife Do they train you how to stop someone from biting you in the neck? Like if a fighter can be clinched, he can be bit in the neck lol. You dont have to train chimps to fight. And they certainly dont win fights with armbars and naked chokes.
@@nullakjg767 You are not that smart are you? Chimps are way different than people. They can not only bite harder, have sharper and bigger teeth, are way stronger and are just not humans. Also a trained fighter won't let you bite them in the clinch. Your head will be pulled down and you will get bombarded by knees. If you try to bite a trained fighter in their neck you only bring your head closer to them to be punched. Biting doesn't work if the person who you are fighting knows what he is doing. If you think biting works you have never been in a fight with a trained mma practitioner.
@Ropsutor MMA guys would be a lot scarier if they bit. But they would prob try to use their training. A boxer cant even poke someones eyes out.
The title just screams "dunning-kruger"
If that was me I'd punch dunning in the face and kick kruger in the head!
I was assaulted by what I suspect was a gang member outside of my gym a few months ago . This guy was half my size , I’m 6’ 2” 240 pounds and am quite built. This guy was maybe 5’ 9 170 pounds and was so self confident that he was going to “destroy me” that he slurred every insult he could conceive of in hopes to provoke me . I told him I wasn’t going to fight him but if he came at me it wouldn’t end well for him. Apparently he didn’t like me saying that so he came at me . I don’t believe in fighting to prove myself, but I also dont believe in allowing someone to prey on me and force me shrink and cower to them so they can feel powerful or whatever which is what this guy was trying t to do. Some people might disagree with that.. but everyone’s got to sleep with themselves at night and live accordingly. He came at me and was surprisingly quick with his hands but with my prior training and the calmness that came from it , I simply stayed in my tight boxing guard and closed the distance to where I got ahold of him , over powered him to the ground and manhandled him easily , grabbed him by the trachea and fed him a few shots till he whimpered and just covered up in a fetal position and that was pretty much how it ended. He landed one punch from the initial swing that he threw which gave me a little cut on the forehead , and I somehow ended up breaking my hand but he was in much worse condition. It’s been years since I’ve been in a scrap , the moral of the story and from what I took from it is it doesn’t matter how confident someone seems to be ; it doesn’t mean anything. There’s a lot of delusional people out there. Having said that for any kids reading this, don’t ever fight out of ego or emotion but stay grounded and make the right decision.
Thanks for sharing your story
You really are a versatile person. Knowing your way around the world and some of its languages, ballet, music and - of course - fighting. Always a pleasure watching your videos.
i'm a doctor, and this is basically my work day, only in a clinic instead of a gym.
True (i'm not a doctor tho, but my mother was)
I work security in a hospital and the weirdos in the psych room always think they can beat my ass..
I just had an old man tonight tell me he was gonna beat my ass... Everybody think's they're mr tough guy until I have to put them on their face...
as Mike Tyson said "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". Always confident until you see that first fist coming towards your head.
But he eventually lost bcoz of a solid plan
I knew a woman in college whose partner dropped her in the middle of a performance. Her ankle was severely broken and her career was ruined. She was in a beginning ballet class with me. It was the first she'd danced in years.
I'm glad you paid attention and didn't drop the Snow Queen.
I find the more fight training I get, the less I feel like I can fight haha.
I have always wondered this too Ramsey. Thank you.
You've said something about "everything goes exactly as planned until you got hit in the head", and I think it is just that. Confidence is a lie we tell ourselves before we do things we've never done before. When I first got introduced to sparring I have had 3 months of experience in boxing, and in a completely different environment with a completely different coach I have the illusion that what I have learned in my previous gym would definitely get me the upper hand when it comes to combat, I believe that I was unstoppable since I have perfected each movement there is to the art, and then I got hit in the head.
it's a stupid mike tyson quote because any real fighter wouldn't lose their game plan or mentality after being hit in the face
Fighting ability is pride for a man. They are blinded by ignorance.
Even more common is thinking you understand it for example "prime Mike Tyson would KO any wrestler who try to take him down" This is very common comment.
Most people who think they know how to fight usually have at least 1 physical advantage over people. Weather it’s strength, size, and or athleticism. And so they think they know how to fight just cause they can beat a normal person using their physical advantages . When in reality all they have is those physical attributes , and they have no real skill . Most of them end up getting humbled as soon as they go against someone who is trained .
Likefor the guitar intro
More dudes need to get arrested, resist arrest then get overpowered by 5 cops and they would slowly realize after this that theyre not fighting like 10 men at once
I fought 4 guys at once and won about 6 years ago, I’m 26 now and have had 13 amateur boxing bouts 12 wins.
It’s not unrealistic if you’ve got the power to knock people down/out with 1 punch.
If I was against 4 guys and 1-2 of them boxed or did any other combat sports then I’m pretty sure I would not have won that day.
Going to prison is the truest way to find out if you can really fight or not.
Had a new guy come to our boxing lesson this week that kept saying " Yeh but if this was a street fight...." or " Man if this was a real fight." Dude had ZERO technique.
Classic
Typical, I also hate when people say all you have to do is take a boxer down, how can you take him down if you can’t even get close
I was never cocky and I was always down to earth. I have been training boxing for over an year now. It's safe to say that my whole world view changed once I exprienced true violence. So far I got my nose busted pretty badly two times. It's a super humbling experience.
The more I train my confidence grows. The more I spar the more I'm humbled. The more I do both I realize I don't want to get in a street fight. But if I do I'd rather have some tools than nothing. Train hard for violence but live by peace.
i don't know… in the art world, there are a lot of people who say "my 5 year-old could do that"
And in many "artworks" of the so called "modern art", they are absolutely right.
The same would also apply for toddlers and unborn.
I think it's because there is something about all arts that appears easy until you understand how the said art works... You always get people who say they could write a novel if they wanted, who could make a game if they wanted. Or make music: Think about something like "technical death metal vs average radio-pop." The average listener doesn't understand what the hell is going on in, say, Gorguts' music, so they assume it's 1) bad and 2) easy to write and play, since if they knew how to make pretty music, they would, right? The same also works the other way; when I was learning how to play guitar, because I felt like I started getting some skill in the art of music, I looked down on pop music for being simple, easy, and boring. I didn't understand that the challenge of writing/arranging/producing pop required a lot of skill, just of a different kind from what I looked up to.
Fighting is especially prone to attracting these people since a lot of what actually happens in a fight isn't apparent to the layman. Things like distance management, positioning, and mental pressure are too subtle to perceive unless you know about them yourself, so the average Joe only sees the punches, kicks, and grapples (and most of the time doesn't understand what happens during the grapples).
@@LINKchris87 There is a book "Why Your Five-year-old Could Not Have Done that" that is probably your best answer books.google.com/books/about/Why_Your_Five_year_old_Could_Not_Have_Do.html
@will Roland Did you write this just to prove my point about donning-krueger syndrome? Thanks.
"No other profession": I heard that a lot about marketing and sales :) my own painful experience!
As an electrician, I do have people tell me all the time that they know how to do electrical work. It gets a bit old.
It's because everyone is the hero of their own story.
In my experience, it's not just men who think they are magically competent, or even masterful at fighting, I've seen alot of women have that false confidence as well. The sad thing is, in the case of both genders, there exists a subset of people who seem to genuinely believe in their unearned martial prowess, from the very depths of their being, the same as they believe gravity will hold things down and the sun will continue to shine. It may have to do, in part, with our aggression, as a species, but I think it has a lot to do with how peaceful society is, and therefore people are not actually physically challenged with a real fight, for the most part. Also, those that are, tend to be challenged by someone who is equally inept, and that may help propogate the falsehood that they are better than they are, if they beat down someone who is slightly more inept, or just slightly weaker or less lucky.
They learn once they get gassed 3 mins into a round and realize they're having trouble keeping their hands up.
Average person will get gassed long before 3 minutes. If they come out swinging for the fences, they’re gasping for air in 20-30 seconds.
I was at a local MMA event the other week and some dude next to me yelled " JUST SHRIMP" at literally any BJJ scramble that happened throughout the night.
I think it's a function of ego and cultural attitudes. We're ingrained with the idea that men are tough, and so men think "I'm a man, I must be tough". Even if they know they can't, how many people are ever going to admit they don't know how to fight, or they think several people in their social circle could kick their ass? Sharing your ideas on how to kick ass is a way people assert themselves, a display of dominant behaviour. And we all know that questioning someone on their misguided notions would often result in a "Oh yeah, you wanna find out how I fight?" kind of confrontation, so people don't get challenged in the way that someone would correct their maths. And, generally speaking, idiots that do go about getting into fights are probably not picking out huge mismatches, they're bullies picking a target.
And even those who do lose fights always have an excuse to protect their ego. I remember a "fight" at school in which some kid tried to pick on a friend of mine (the new kid, basically). My friend pushed him to the ground, kicked him, and walked away. All the talk around school was how my friend had tried to sucker punch him and got lucky he tripped before he could run off. Even though a bunch of us witnessed it, we weren't going to make things worse by pointing out what a lie it all was. The egos of the bullies went on strong.
‘I gotta be careful how I phrase this because I was a PROFESSIONAL Bailey dancer’ yes! I almost feinted laughing😂😂🤣🤣😅
Been doing BJJ for about 2 years and I just got my blue belt. Honestly i still feel i have not even scratched the surface. In the late 30s and sometimes get smashed in class but i keep going as it's therapy/hobby for me.. I was having this conversation about takedowns with someone who has never ever done any martial arts in there whole life and is a chain smoker. He said i would win a street fight because it would be so difficult to take me down. I was laughing so hard in my head. I asked him to come and train with us. Till this day hes never showed up.
The thing about fighting is that anyone can fight, which gives them a huge ego boost and instills a false sense of confidence.
I'm still young in the martial arts but I've seen the difference between a trained fighter and a guy that that thinks he can fight it's insane how large the gap really is
This happens in any sport, the spectators always know more than the coaches and players
I notice it a lot with football
It is called the Dunning-Krueger effect.
The more incompetent we are at a particular skill, the more we tend to over estimate our competence on that skill. It becomes even more noticeable in something as able to affect to one's self esteem and pride as fighting.
It is almost funny when you put gloves on armchair coaches. After one minute into round 1 soft sparring, they are gasping for air and you can see how they don't seem to believe what is happening. "So I'm not Chuck Norris after all?" 🤣
Most people don't know what it's like to be punched really hard in the face. I think that's one of the bigger reasons.
I train, but know I'm just scratching the surface. One of the worst things you can do is overestimate yourself and underestimate the other person, yet it happens quite a bit.
It’s because you don’t know how much you don’t know- the more you learn the more you are aware of the depth there is to learn and be able to do.
I got into Martial arts at the age of 12 thanks to Bruce Lee, I saw Enter the Dragon when it first came out, I studied Hung Gar Gung Fu for four years, I wish we had MMA back then, I quite enjoyed it, but my side kick these days is just my trusty dog, I'm thinking of signing up for Cane Fu now. Great to see how MMA is catching on with young men and women, wish I was twenty again.
Have you ever heard Soccer fans watching a game? :D
Absolute same thing!
Exacly. Ramsey,.watch some soccer game with my father :)
Totally
"My gran would've scored that!" 🤦♂️
As a Kid I had a natural ability with violence . So my Mom put me in to martial arts. It calmed me down and taught me respect.
Bless your mom
I am 5.5 , 125lbs! Seen all of the fights on spike tv , Fs1, and the ppvs! You want some of this?
I was going to point out that I am fairly young and significantly taller than that and then I realized, oh wait… it’s satire
because the average person does know how to fight, at least to an extent, we all have arms and legs and are capable of kicking and punching another human being. yeah a trained fighter will be better but that's the same with everything, we all know how to run but an Olympic runner would probably be better at running.
fighting is a very primitive thing that humans have been able to do since cavemen times. it's just that these days people have invented ways to do it better.
plus what is the basics of boxing, get in to a stance with one foot in front of the other. keep your arms up, throw a punch, either jab, hook, uppercut, the average person can do that with no training but a trained person can do it better.
Great response and very true.
Well that’s kind of true, but my experience when I sparred with people who were beginners or hadn’t trained was how predictable they were. Almost like fighting children. Some people will have some natural ability but my experience was that to be a good fighter you have to put the time in and learn like anything else.
Can that average person take a punch, though? Everyone thinks they can fight until they get hit.
You dont compete do you
@@kylanpierce8210 they don't based on what they posted.Most people aren't athletic/coordinated enough to hit a moving target with their fists or any other part of their body for that matter.