Gasoline will provide higher miles per gallon because it has higher thermal content than ethanol. However, a car modified to use ethanol, such as E85 fuel, is preferred by many performance oriented people because it has a higher octane than premium gasoline. E85 burns slower, cleaner and cooler, working well with an engine that has higher compression. Higher compression, whether mechanical or from increased boost, allows more power and the use a more aggressive camshaft. That said, ethanol content in regular engines can cause scaly carb residue, because ethanol melds with moisture in the gas. When the fuel evaporates, it creates white deposits which clog up small carb passageways. Ethanol: Good for engines designed for it. Sometimes creates problems for engines not designed for it.
I think the MPG depends on the application, but good point, cost per mile is the bottom line. My opinions are based on my own observations. A friend of mine helps people with E85 conversions and has built engines in excess of 1,000 horsepower with E85. This is a really informative video, by the way. I'll definitely have to check out your other vids too.
Also using e85 or e98 your motor might not build enough heat to burn the moisture out or your oil it if you dont run it long enough, if you are using a synthetic/blend your oil will get milky. Sure is nice paying a couple bucks a gallon for my drag car instead of 10-14 for race gas
Jacob Paul...Please tell us where we're going to get the vast amount of acreage required to fulfill your pipe dream of making all cars burn 100% ethanol? And what are we going to eat when all farmers jump on the ethanol bandwagon? The yellow in your specimen gasoline is a DYE. Same as the old blue Sunoco used to be. At present, ethanol is highly subsidized by every bodies taxes...until the government agenda is reached...then watch the price go to the moon. Comparing race engines to a street engines is also a falsehood, see HigherWisdom's comment on this. Congratulations on being politically correct.
rayford21 you have a skewed view of my "pipe dream". I simply want fuel Choice at each pump. Fuel competion. We have an Ethanol surplus currently and corn is crazy cheap
the problem with 87 octane is not the ethanol but the garbage fuel they use. 10% 113 octane ethanol added to shit gas to make an 87 octane fuel. 90% 84 octane +10% ethanol= 86.9octane
I love the E85 in my 5.3 2014 Silverado. It runs smoother and has more power. I get 19 on the highway. Average 17. In the winter I use E30 and regular gas. In the winter E85 starts harder and goes through a tank faster. I live in Minnesota.
Damn the fuel.. how bout some grease on that tripod😂 all kidin aside I know this is old vid and I'm late to the party but y'all just earned another like and a new sub. Thxs folks
All I run is E85 with no problems what so ever in my Subaru STI and I love it. My tuner always tells me take apart 2 identical motors one that runs on E85 and one that runs on gasoline and tell me which one is cleaner. The E85 motor is spotless and the gasoline motor has carbon build up all over it. I will agree however you definitely don't get the same fuel economy. Though as far as cost goes it equals out to be the same. I'll take the E85 all day over 93 octane. Cleaner, safer for your motor, and the power is amazing!
Question is: are you running true E85 with an 85% content, or pump E85? Here in AZ our pumps say E85 but in fine print the Ethanol is closer to like 50%. I now have to buy all my race fuel from a shop close by. Toro or Ignite usually depending on %. I know a lot of ricers out here thinking they’re running high shit but really it’s what I run in my 93 XJ.. lmfao
I used to run stage 3 with E85 on my STI. ALSO, YOU CAN RUN YOUR CAR WITH E85 in a ratio 7-1. (7 gallons of 91 or 93 with 1 gallon of E85), no new map or mod needed, you will feel your car “breath better” more punching, like after you install fresh spark plugs...I did this mix (7-1) after my STI on my Audi RS4, for 4 years and now on my Macan Turbo for the past 2 years. The tips (exhaust) comes “ less dark” than with regular gas (10%Ethanol bs). Some guys do ratio (5-1 ratio) but I prefer stay in the safe side cause E85 is” leaner” so you are supposed to increase your injectors size. Anyway you will feel the difference on muscle cars, no difference on p***y engine. I always keep 10 gallons bottles of E85 in my garage and add it to my tank (14-2) or (7-1). E85 is “organic gas” for your baby. But it burn 20-25% faster... So just a little ratio mix is healthy for performance car, it’s more like running cleaner, your Turbo will love it too, cold alcohol from E85 oh yeah... And it comes cheaper than regular gas.
at 8:10 you talk about how they "remove ethanol from regular gasoline" but its the other way around, ethanol is added as a oxygenator.... Regular gasoline is Non ethanol......
All of these fuels will have completely different burning characteristics when burned in the cylinder under compression. The difference in compression will also make a huge difference. Open air burning will tell you something, but what exactly? Racing fuels I used to run were blended every which way we could think of and until we tore down and saw the results on the mechanics inside the engines, regardless of horsepower gains, the burn rate is just a guess. I will agree that some ethanol does reduce emissions, but it can also reduce fuel mileage resulting in more fuel used with the end result of emission gains being a wash.
highly in accurate. e85 is 60+% cleaner while I only loose 14%-18% mpg. blends of E30 actually maintain or increase mpg. a few studies out there prove this. blender pumps are the future!
That's not what he's saying. He's saying if 0 ethanol petrol gas is clear, and ethanol fuels are clear, why is regular 10% ethanol 87 octane pump gas yellow? It's because of BTEX, they add this crap in so you go buy these fuel cleaning agents that they claim is because of ethanol, which is not true.
I don't think they are adding the BTEX to get people to buy additives...it's to turn a waste by product...BTEX... that would normally cost them large money to dispose of into something they can sell worth whatever the price of gas is.... Kind of reminds me of Fluoride...
Harry Guy... That, my friend, is right on the money!!! The added "benefit" of flouride is that it makes people docile. That's why the Nazi's used in the death camps.
E10 can do what pure gasoline cannot ever do. Decrease NOx formation during combustion. Emissions are not just COx. Ethanol won the battle of which gasoline additive can reduce NOx to comply with clean air rules. Other additives lost. Coincidentally, or not, ag producers and the corn industry like biofuels because it gives them a market for their product. But in 1992 the original reason for ethanol was NOx formation reduction.
Started using e10 octane 95 here on friday and in my 1999 lexus is200 im getting 5 -7 mpg more inner city than when im super light footed with e5 octane 95 . In fact my car runs more like when i run 99 octane / 99ron . Why is this ? Im actually getting the 23-25 mpg lexus suggest rather than 17/18 mpg inner city ive gotten at a push lightfooted . Seems odd
I cant help but notice the metal container of non ethanol is much dirtier than the rest, what you really should have done was to wipe the cointners with the paper towels after
The reason "people say ethanol burns hotter" is because the mixture when metered through a jet in a carburetor adjusted for non ethanol is too lean a mixture which burns hotter. Your experiment has nothing to do with how these fuels are consumed in an actual engine.
Actually your both wrong on the burn cooler or hotter, ethanol has less btu per volume than standard gasoline so if burned in equal volume ethanol will be cooler but ran at correct afr for each ,ethanol has much higher btu because your adding much more volume to the cylinder. Gasoline btu 18,500 btu per lb so an engine requiring 42.64 lb of air @ 12.8:1 afr full throttle would need 2.89 pounds of fuel with a btu of 53,465 an engine running e85 with a btu of 12,200 per lb and the same engine would need an afr of 6.8:1 resulting in 6.27 pounds of e85 for a btu of 76,557 . considerably hotter this is where the power gain comes from. You are 100% correct on the clean burning of ethanol though I have seen engines run with only e85 and when taken apart after 100,000 miles they are spotless inside allmost zero carbon or gunk anywhere!
+Jacob... Your experiment is not happening in a properly metered high pressure environment. This soot is not generated when the fuel is burned in an engine.
Ethanol C2-H6-O contains oxygen. That is why drag cars love alcohol fuel - it contains O2 and that means less air (which is only 20% oxygen to begin with) they have to ram into the engine. To burn cleanly you need to supply gasoline with the proper oxygen / fuel ratio. Your gas fire stacks are oxygen starved. You just have a wicked flame that is trying and failing to draw the oxygen it requires. That means they are burning with more soot - just like a propane flame that is not adjusted correctly or a candle in a deep glass that can't get all the 02 it needs. Your ethanol stacks have an 02/ fuel ratio close to ideal (since they have some of the needed 02 built right in) and therefore burn cleaner. If you were to atomize your samples insuring they have sufficient 02 for complete combustion they would all 'appear' to burn clean. That was the whole point of a carburetor - atomize efficiently. As far as the flame heights - Ethanol has only about 65% the energy of gasoline - your E85 burns with only 70% the energy of the gasoline stacks so it will obviously appear to have a smaller fire because there is less combustion occurring.. As far as burning hotter - lean out the mixture in an engine at it burns hotter - and beyond certain limits becomes harmful by burning (oxidizing) other components. A 10% value was settled on in part because, back in carburetor days, more than that leaned the engine too much without different jetting - which then would lose the ability to run on both fuels efficiently. Put 10% ethanol fuel in a lawn mower and it will run leaner and hotter.
Most of that is partially true my friend. Yes they may be oxygen deprived but it is common knowledge and easily researchable that ethanol reduces harmful emissions by 60+%. "energy' as you mention is btu's. Btus are irrelevant to the internal combustion engine as they measure heat not work or efficiency. It is all about engine optimization my friend. case in point --> wayne.edu/newsroom/release/1998/06/04/high-performance-wayne-state-ethanol-car-wins-1998-ethanol-vehicle-challenge-1464 .......enjoy that story. As far as lean. a simple turn of the AFR screw shall handle that. When set up properly ethanol burns cooler. MUCH cooler.
it is common knowledge and easily researchable that ethanol reduces harmful emissions by 60+%.-------------------------- That is a convoluted and highly complex debate on how we compute total emissions. Among other things, ethanol advocates subtract the amount of CO2 that the corn stalks absorbed from tail pipe levels. There is a study out there for every opinion.............. "energy' as you mention is btu's. BTU' s are irrelevant to the internal combustion engine as they measure heat not work or efficiency. ------------------------------It is not irrelevant. BTUs area measure of energy. Gasoline has about 114 BTU's per gallon. If you want that in more energy sounding terms then it has 33 KwHours per gallon. If we are talking about fuel, then we talk energy. The engine or device must then convert that energy into work. ....................It is all about engine optimization my friend. ----------------------- And that is a completely different topic. But no matter what device you choose - if it could be 100% efficient, it still only has 70% the available energy to work with using E85 ............... As far as lean. a simple turn of the AFR screw shall handle that. ------------------------------- My point here was that some might claim it burns hotter - because it might be burning lean. White spark plugs are often said to be a sign that it is metered too 'hot' when it means oxygen rich and not actual temperature. ............................When set up properly ethanol burns cooler. MUCH cooler ---------------------------. That has to do with combustion rate. An engine at 4000 rpm is burning more fuel and could claimed to be burning 'hotter' than an engine at 2000 rpm. If the cooling system didn't remove the excess waste heat then the engine would indeed be hotter. The amount of heat/energy released in a combustion stroke will control temperature and it would make sense that a fuel with only 70% of the energy entering the combustion chamber during any given stroke would produce less heat under the same conditions as one with more - but you will get less Work out of it.
All the fuels are still in the same atmospheric pressure of, well, whatever the room was at the time of burning. What would you prove by viewing the ignition under cylinder pressure? Nothing, because the gasoline would still burn sooty and black from excess carbon emissions. Ethanol will be cleaner whether you burn it in a wick jar or in an engine. Your point is irrelevant
I think it's great to do testing. But note that assuming how much stuff is on a rag above an open flame is super non clinical. Note in all cases the fuel is burned under compression. Also put a candle there and vary how high the towel is above the flame, the higher the flame, the close it is to the combustion and will show more particulates. Simple test pass a wooden ruler through the top of the flame, they will all produce soot. IF you want a real test, put a tank of each in a car and drive the same highway until empty. The one that goes furthest will show you which is practically more efficient by volume. Then compare the prices and impacts of each type on production. Great job in trying to test something, but make sure your test is actually setup to measure what you think you are measuring.
Well the size of the flame does not have anything to do with burning hotter but ethanol does burn cooler and you need more so that also brings down cylinder temps
Ummm....Indy cars have run on 100% METHANOL for 40+ years. NASCAR engines are like Brazilian car engines a decade ago, designed to run on ONLY 100% pure ETHANOL. There's a class of drag racers commonly called "Alky's" that burn 100% METHANOL. No street vehicle in the US will run on either methanol or 100% ethanol. The engines aren't designed for it. Adulterating gasoline with ethanol is always harmful. E-85 DOES NOT provide an "octane bump". Only 5% METHANOL directly injected with water into a cylinder provides an "octane bump" as the F6F Hellcats with methanol injection, the B-29's with 2% ethanol added to 165 Octane leaded gasoline, and the German Junker's Jumo powered fighters with water methanol injection, which shortened the life of the Jumo by 66% according to Milch. I wish almost any u-toober understood science and could read 1933 "Proceedings of the SAE on engine performance".
Al Johnson boats are exposed to a lot more water/water vapor. Ethanol likes to absorb water. Because boats aren’t used all the time and tend to be carbureted that can cause significant problems.
Ethanol is a high octane, renewable fuel that burns with very little carbon. This demonstration showed that it burns a lot cleaner. You’ll also have less CO emissions. Aldehyde and formaldehyde are increased, so I’m not going to say that it’s better for people to breathe, but from what I’ve found this is only from when gasoline is blended with ethanol. I like ethanol because it helps me to use significantly less gasoline. I do use more fuel, but actual gasoline is cut way down. Fuel mileage loss isn’t significant with the E85, and it doesn’t seem to decrease at all with around 30-50%.
Also, they use benzene and toluene for increasing octane. Those are carcinogenic chemicals. Keep in mind that ethanol will reduce those chemicals while adding octane, but will also increase aldehydes.
I'm still stuck on the "E10 = regular gas". I'm of the era when "Regular Gas" meant leaded fuel instead of unleaded fuel. The pumps were actually labeled "Regular" and "Unleaded".
I'm talking "Back in the day". When gas was 3gal for $1.00! The four pumps at the local Firestone Gas Station didn't even list octane, just "Regular" and "Unleaded". BTW, as I recall, only one pump had the Unleaded at that time. Early '70's.
Regular(leaded) was dropped for the most part back in late 70s, and eventually mandated out existence except for race fuels and aviation fuels. Regualr means low octane unleaded since early 80s
Jep E10 should have higher octane rating than E5, but a friend of mine had to pull timing out of his engine, turned out that the octane rating was actually lower. That defenately points to a crappier petrol being used.
What would change other than the amount produced? Would the gasoline suddenly burn clean with no black soot from carbon emissions and would the ethanol suddenly burn filthy? Use the few brain cells God gave you to actually think.
also another intresting thing worth noting is look at the soot that the e0 and e10 give off. That soot goes into the atmosphere and causes smog in big cities. I would say e30 is a good starting point. It seems like most regular cars can run on e30 just fine. I am scared to jump to e50 though
I think the experiment is very clear but surely it’s to be expected. Oil based products are produced by vertical fractional distillation and when heated the oil starts to break up the higher up the distillation the more refined the fuel so the less impurities, carbons etc. Grain based alcohol (Ethanol) is a refined product which is very expensive to produce and is subsidised by the government to enable it to be sold as an additive in carbon based or oil based fuels. So when alcohol burns there is little visible smoke as it’s not oil based. The main argument for getting rid of grain based alcohols from your regular fuel (American gasoline) nothing to do with gas by the way, is the ethanol properties of being easily absorbed by water, and its effect on rubberised components. Methanol will swell and soften rubber seals and gaskets and cause them to fail. If you leave it over winter in a engine which is not adapted for it the water will be absorbed into it as all petrol tanks have breathers. This water dissolved into the ethanol will then start to attack the surfaces and corrode. In your experiment you are getting incomplete burning of the fuel, if it’s mixed with air and atomised under pressure inside a cylinder a different picture is seen. You went to a lot of trouble with this and it shows you are very interested in this whole argument.
So you're saying it's perfectly safe for a non-FFV (with no modifications at all) to use E85 ethanol fuel, even despite what some owner manuals recommend? That the benefit of doing so will be a cooler running engine and less poisonous emissions, and the only negative being slightly less MPG? That the whole ethanol will corrode and melt away your fuel system is a myth perpetrated by big oil to scare people away from ethanol?
pam0077 with a conversion kit from change2e85.com you can. I did that with my 2007 Ford Crown Victoria. For 10k mi before I sold it. As well as me using E15 before the conversion for 15k mi
I run e85 in my stock 98 corolla runs just fine stock tune. I usually do 65 percent e85 and the rest 87 octane. I may try a full tank of e85 just for shits and giggles
I run e85 in my stock 98 corolla runs just fine stock tune. I usually do 65 percent e85 and the rest 87 octane. I may try a full tank of e85 just for shits and giggles
Even without the burn test it makes sense. Ethanol raises octane allowing them to have a less pure product for the other 90% of the fuel. Now if they go to sell 87 E0 (rare), 89 E0/E10, 91 E0, 93 E10 they have to use purer gas to achieve higher octane. And it’s kind of funny how we trust all the ethanol being bad claims yet it’s the oil industry who’s in direct competition telling us the claims.
I thought btex was used to boost octane. These are expensive additives. Carbon is unburned fuel , not waist or dirt. Carbon in most cases means your fuel needs more oxygen. Add the oxygen and it’s clean. Used motor oil burned in a stove with oxygen infused will burn as clean as propane, because all the carbon that makes the used oil black is burned as fuel. This is why a burning tire gives such black smoke. It’s starving for more air. Put air to a tire on fire and it’s clean as natural gas. So the none ethanol fuel needs more air but this also tells you you have more carbon or energy in that fuel. So the cleaner the fuel burns on your flame test tells you you will get less mileage. Heat is power. The hotter the combustion chamber the more power you get.
Thoughts on the temperature: The top of the fuel container is limiting the amount of fuel that can be burned right? and you have an unlimited amount of air? What happens to the burn temp if you switch it, and have an unlimited amount of fuel and a limited amount of air? Then which one makes more heat?
brianx04 Ethanol does burn cooler. This is a known fact. A lean condition can cause otherwise. A proper AFR (air to fuel ratio) is key to keeping Ethanol's cooler burning characteristic.
brianx04 Most engines to go from gas to Ethanol requires less oxygen because Ethanol has more then Gasoline. So an engine set to Gasoline, that's burning Ethanol that isn't adjusted would cause a lean condition. My changetoE85 .com kit does this for my vehicle. A 2000 f150 5.4
Jacob Kaul I think you changed subjects on me. Thanks for the great video! I learned something about how poor quality the regular gas is. Maybe I'll check out e85.com! Have a good day.
brianx04 thanks for watching the video. I didn't mean to change the subject quiet like that. Many videos and resources out there to research about Ethanols cooler burning. I can't offer super scientific answers to the open air question you asked but when engines are tuned for Ethanol vs engines tuned for Gasoline the Ethanol one will perform cooler. I have many other Ethanol videos worth checking out and I run a FB page with some friends called "Midwest Ethanol Outpost" thanks for the veiw and the response.
you now have me confused. non ethanol, regular gas? are you saying they removed the ethanol from the clear first jar and the second one is regular gas,
Just because you can't see the "emissions" from E85 doesn't mean there aren't any. Pure methanol burns without even a flame, as we've all seen when Indy cars catch on fire on the race track. Research has shown that ethanol produces just as much pollution as gasoline and it's more toxic and corrosive. Also, 85 and 87 octane gas is not any "crappier" than 91 or 93 octane. They are all refined in the same way, but for varying burn rates. Lower compression engines need fuel that burns more readily. Higher compression engines need higher octane fuels which are more resistant to burning. If it was not more resistant (less volatile) the fuel would explode rather than burn which would eventually destroy the engine. And yes, for a street engine- not a race engine which is torn down and rebuilt constantly- pure gasoline is superior in every way.
E10 is dirty because 87 octane is low tier fuel for average vehicles. E0 is usually blended to 90-93. To make the test comparable, use E10 with the same octane as the E0.
Bro if the gas in your area really looks like the middle jar, then you might want to consider finding better gas because regular gas where I live (NC) DOES NOT look like that at all! In fact that middle jar looks like you pulled it out of an old car that has been sitting for 10 years with a full tank of fuel. Sorry but the regular fuel where I live looks nothing at all like that.
This video is really interesting and makes a lot of good points. My only concern is the water build up with ethanol. That seems to be the biggest concern that I hear. I get that you can add a water separation filter but that isn't really practically for small engines and the cost for older vehicles.
Look what is in a water remover like heet. It's methanol. Ethanol has the same characteristics. I did another video on this. The best way to prevent condensation is to keep a full tank. No air. No condensation.
E10 is crappy base with ethanol to help octane. Non ethanol is good base, no reformulated, no cracked base. But if you study the very pure avgas, there is Toluene, Xilene on it too. Dont know if all BTEX are on it also, but you can narrow the carbon producer cause.
Thanks for the vid. Please answer this question for a pure novice searching for answers! I just purchased a brand new 20 hp boat motor as my 1995 motor finally died. My mechanic instructed me to start burning ethanol free because of the damage regular e-10 gas does to my carb (although the new motor is EFI). Since I live in Michigan my boat is stored 4 - 6 months a year. My question is - ethanol-free better for my boat motor? do I need to burn it all the time or just prior to storing it? will using a higher ethanol blend (e-15, e-30, etc.) harm my small motors? I am asking in regards to my boat motors (I have 3), my riding lawnmower, lawnmower, weed whacker, leaf blower...etc. Thanks for all you do.
I would say that you can run ethanol gas like E10, I run more than 40 % ethanol in my 80s Suzuki dt15. The outboard is more alive, has a bit more power and inside the engine is close to spotless, looks like brand new. And you get a sweeter smell from ethanol when it comes out as exhaust
@@rickrazz7136 I don't think it matters either engine type, I have a Parsun 2.6 4 storke outboard as well and I run about 50% ethanol in that and no problems. The only thing I did was to change to a bigger main jet
Like you said, it's a great way for large industry to get rid of their hazardous waste. Same way the get rid of flourine by putting it in our water and claiming it is to "help" us.
Thats all fine and dandy for automobiles with fuel injection, the big problem everyone keeps forgetting is the ethonol blended fuels, weather with or without more btex destroys carburetors. If you run any small engine that has a carburetor you really need regular non ethanol fuel. Otherwise you have to add a stabilizer or keep the gas out of the carb when not in use. However 90% of consumers don't. Now they want to raise ethanol to 15% minumum, they say carburetors cant handle it and small engines get messed up from the stuff, weather true or not more ethanol will cause more problems in carbs. Non ethanol has to be readily available for these applications or they should be adding the stabilizer to stop the break down and attraction of water from ethanol blended fuels. In cars who cares, the problem is small engines. Their finally heading towards efi on small engines but its going to be another 20 years before every small engine is efi and theirs a lot more upkeep on efi on small engines. We need the non ethanol blends for our small engines and its not fair we have to pay out the ass for it either when clearly non ethanol is cheaper to refine. Also they should just switch over to E85 worldwide for cars. Its burns clean. However offer on ethanol for the engines that nerd it. E10 and E15 is pointless, take it straight to E85 for cars like Brazil. Oil companies wont allow it due to greed however our recources are running out anyway so why not switch over now to preserve and have the stuff around for much longer..... Oh and mosts carbs on small engines are non adjustable now.
No, ethanol is NOT the problem with carbs. Get that out of your head before you respond first. View this second: th-cam.com/video/yNk4Am3K7Hg/w-d-xo.html
@@THe9-3MAnIaC Many of the machines I work on were built before they added the damn shit to gasoline. Adding ethanol to gasoline was the biggest mistake they ever made concerning power equipment with carburetors in use. 2 cycle outboards can't handle the crap, the reason marinas sell non ethanol. Water and fuel don't mix. Ethanol attracts moisture fast. It's shelf life is 3 months. 100% fuel is much longer. All good in a sealed system with fuel injection, like cars. No good for carburetors. Give me 100% good old fashioned gasoline. Like thing's were pre 2006 in the United States. Subsidies for corn is the only reason the garbage is added up here. Nothing good about it. Mixing it with gas was a stupid idea.
@@Karmickey1010 interesting. i can go pull a lawnmower with gas from 20 years ago out and itll crank and run. cant even get one thats sat over winter to run. carb is gummed up. its the ethanol absorbing water, and then the water corroding the aluminum or diecast carbs.
@@Mr_Tecumseh : I've been running E-15 in my mowers(John Deere) and chainsaws(Stihl) for years now without trouble. A little SeaFoam every other tank seems to help.
The E10 might have some sort of weird specific heat thing that cools the flame just enough that the BTEX carbon-carbon bonds never get hot enough to burn.
Guns Cars and Digits Aromatic carbon-carbon bonds are more reactive than saturated carbon carbon bonds. It has to do with the greater electron density and availability in the pi orbitals of their aromatic ring vs the more tightly held electrons of C-C sigma bonds.
if the 2nd one is 10% ethanol then that is what the majority of pumps carry now. worst polluter and most plentiful. i use non ethanol when possible and pay about 45 cents a gallon more but it delivers more power and better mileage in my '91 s10 and my '86 kawasaki. when i switched over to non ethanol in my bike i had to adjust the idle because suddenly that 1100 rpm idle speed became 1500 rpms with the good stuff. also my mileage went up about 5 mpg. also on these older bikes ethanol has been shown to damage the nitrile rubber in the carbs and also ruins petcocks as over time it will dissolve the rubber diaphragm. bad for fuel lines too. keep that corn squeezins out of them older engines.
You can replace and upgrade fuel hoses. Your nitrile gaskets and diaprhams for older bijes and the like are hard to even find anymore. Most modern rebuild and gasket kits no longer use nitrile because the plants that make them are tooled up to use other materials. In many cases a simple gasket and diaprham replacement should solve any degrading issues youd get from ethanol. That is the basic upgrades you get if you "convert" your vehicle to ethanol. Hoses and in the case of carbs upgraded material gaskets.
Ethanol burns cooler than regular fuel, and has far fewer hydrocarbons. Not sure were the claims come from, but all the information states that E85 is less energy dense than pure gasoline.
Regular gas burn hotter causes more engine knock, ethanol gas burns cooler and causes less engine knock. Reg gas lower octane higher knock, ethanol is opposite.
Ethanol burns slower proof is ignition timing added even at same octane as other fuels. A 93 octane gas tune will use less timing then an ethanol mix of 91 and ethanol combined to create 93 octane. About e25. makes 93 when mixed with 91.
BTEX was added to fuel when lead was removed. BTEX is basically an octane booster. If you're old enough, you'll remember run-on; an engine would continue to sputter and turn even after you removed the key from the ignition. Pre-detonation at the higher temps resulting from burning unleaded fuel would just keep the engine chugging. Lead slowed the combustion process so power was available to drive a piston through more of the stroke. So, BTEX isn't the trash in fuel. Refineries and oil companies are using less refined base gasoline because the addition of alcohol allows it. Alcohol has an extremely high solubility factor even compared to gasoline, and because of that your fuel system can withstand a lower quality base fuel and still remain clean. The trade-off is that you will get a dirty combustion as that crappy gasoline gets burned, and your results support that conclusion.
Jim R false. That was mtbe. Btex was added in the late 90's in an attempt to clean up emmissions (smog days in Cali) and to avoid Ethanol usage. It is trash. Cancerous evaporating quickly fuel line destroying TRASH
@@jacobkaul5012 I personally remember being in Milwaukee in 1992 when MTBE was first added as Milw was an EPA attainment zone. There were stories on the news of people getting lightheaded and dizzy filling up. I personally remember the awful smell of the stuff, I think it was worse in winter. Ethanol way, way better.
Jacob Kaul Maybe they didn’t read the description or don’t know what an emission test is...I mistakenly assumed the emission testing that was promised would reflect ICE operating conditions and would be more definitive. Turns out I was wrong.
Okay, now to make this test clear would you like to add clear ethanol to non-ethanol fuel to get E10 and then compare it in color and burning with E10 you have got before?
@jacob kaul i'd love to run my motorcycle on ethanol. If possible pure ethanol. What do you recommend me to do to make my bike use it? I'm aware that I have to change all the possibly oxidative parts (rust?).
Make sure the materials are compatible (easy with this chart: www.coleparmer.com/Chemical-Resistance). The second thing to do is to adjust your carb or EFI. If it is a carb, essentially all you need to do is increase the jet size by about 25-30%. If it is EFI, you would have to rewrite the software to have a broader range of AFR, OR, you get a custom plug and play kit made for it from a company like fuelflex international (the parent company of the kits seen in Pump: The Movie).
The real problem is with E10 which is regular now and other E 20 or 30 or 50 or even E 85 they can use heavier distillates of gasoline because the ethanol brings up the octane, so though lower octane may have more energy because its getting closer to heavier fuels like diesel is it maybe dirtier and harder to burn efficiently?
Your test may be flawed. What I'm seeing is gas vaporizes with heat, and doesn't burn with a lack of oxygen. Ethanol is more like alcohol and doesn't vaporize as easily as gas. On two stroke carburated engines ethanol verse non ethanol is a clear. And I'd rather go with non ethanol on anything that will sit for a while or become exposed to high humidity. Also engine life has more to do with than carbon buildup. I'm not sure I'm seeing a clear winner
As far as small engines its proven plus the biggest difference is that when water gets introduced its separated in regular making it a little bit more difficult for engines to run because you do have that splash of Water by itself and fuel by itself however with ethanol gas you do have that mixture of fuel with water which in terms burns cleaner do to the steaming properties of the water mix with the ethanol if it came down to it both are good as well as bad
I would like this guy to go a step further with two things. Why were catalytic converters required starting in 1975. Why? So big oil could dump toxic waste in the fuel supply and get rid of it. Even better it is like a filler so you and I actually pay big oil for toxic waste. The other thing I would love him to check into is why can't we buy white gas any more? AMOCO Ultimate was white gas. It was perfectly clear. Put a glass of Amoco Ultimate beside a glass of drinking water and see if you can tell the difference just by looking at it. You can't. Unfortunately when BP took over Amoco they stopped producing the Ultimate white gas. That was really good stuff. Put any of today's gasoline to shame.
Benzene has been allowed in gasoline since 1974, so you're full of BS. Benzene is a very powerful organic solvent which if available, would be the perfect cleaner for stuck fuel injectors.
I can't help but notice that the e10 and e30 are burning dirty as fuck. It's like I said a long time ago when they talked about ethanol. It should have come out as its own 100% fuel next to non ethanol gas pumps. The industries could have been incentivized to make things that run on it and people eventually would have flipped over because of better performance. Not all chemical mixtures are good and the e10 looked like it was practicing the fire flower jutsu from Naruto. The reason for such a poor showing on those lower ethanol mixtures is probably all the other chemicals added to stabilize or make the mixtures work. One thing I don't envy ethanol users though is that I'm not waiting 30 minutes for 5 dollars of gas in the morning. I pumped gas for years and every time people got ethanol fuel it pumped slower than molassas in the morning. Cold only made it worse.
I’d like to make a suggestion. Do a burn test to compare normal pump 87 E10 and pump 93 E10 (preferably Shell V-Power) to show the difference between crappy gas with ethanol and quality gas with ethanol. Really I’d like to see an overall show down of the more common fuels: 85 E0 (farm use and high elevation) 87 E10 88 E15 89 E0/E10 91 E0 93 E10 E85 Though I realize all of those in the same area are hard to come by. For example in my area of Wisconsin, 93 and especially 85 are really rare.
burning hotter really has nothing to do with it ethanol based fuel or alcohol-based fuel requires more oxygen to fully burn. and it's already been known that higher ethanol is cleaner and cheaper to produce that is why the EPA pushes for it to become common place
See, companies can make it much easier on the engine and the mechanics at the garage if they just made it as simple as have more air in your fuel to air ratio. The ONLY reason the ether is bad in emissions is due to too little air. That’s like someone saying they needa stop running a weed whacker that’s terrible in emissions that only has a choke. Not enough air.
If gas was switched to anything more than E10, I would have to spend around $3,000, just in parts, to get my car to run anything more than E10. The lines, low and high pressure fuel pumps, injectors, and tuning, in order to do that. And there are very, very few tunes on the market for VW for higher ethanol blends. I'm just going to get E0 and call it good. Ethanol attracts water in to the fuel system, which will also cause bacteria growth and corrosion. Also, cold starts I'm colder climates are even worse. Because ethanol isn't near as hot burning as gasoline. Also, I thought BTEX was outlawed years ago.
bandgeekforever100 No. It does not ‘attract’ water to the fuel system. It dissolves water into gasoline which enters anyway through condensation...expansion of vapors followed by contraction... is what draws in humid air.
I'd like to see a GCMS analysis done on these fuels. That would tell us exactly what compounds are in a drop of fuel. I wonder if someone on TH-cam has done this?
Ethanol has less energy than gasoline, thus produces less heat. Diesel fuel contains the most energy, of all motor vehicle fuels, which is why you get better mileage and more power per gallon.
After watching so much stuff on gas and E85. I have discovered that a engine build with high performance part's used for quick run's,E85 is best because it keeps everything clean and burns better thoe you use more of it and burn a hole in the wallet to. But for every day car's that just take you up and down 91-93 gas is best, essay on the wallet, better miles and the none high performance part's are happy too. So I recommend run supreme gas every day then once a month fill with E85 on the flex fuel to get rid of deposits then back to supreme gas.
in 20 years this type of video will be about what type of battery exhaust gasses are cleaner and will be measured with stuff thats not even invented yet.
So I'm buying a brand new $1,500 Ariens snowblower tomorrow I'm in New Jersey and they do not sell non ethanol gas what would you say is the best thing for me to run through that new Ariens snowblower
Brock Widder and E15 is the same gas that’s in E10 just with an extra 5% ethanol to get that additional 1 octane. Overall it’s really going to depend because hypothetically they could still shove all the btex crap into E85 but because the ethanol burns cleaner you’d still have an overall cleaner fuel than E10. In a perfect world the cleanest E85 would have 91 octane pure gas but that won’t happen. Like he said though E30 seems to be the point where the ethanol offsets any btex they shove into the gasoline.
Would adding methylated spirits to your fuel tank take the glaze off because it has solvent in it, it has acetone and two other solvents including ethanol.
You do realize BTEX is in all gasoline it’s what makes up gas and octane premium fuel has even more toluene xylene etc have 120 ish octane even race fuel has it
You car will get lot less MPG on Ethanol fuel then regular fuel without Ethanol! Car the uses E85 will get at least 3 MPG less than with non-Ethanol furl!
If the e85 is priced right at all, your cost per mile would still be beneficial with E85. Try researching the use of E30. Blender pumps or splash blending it. No MPG loss, 93 octane and cheaper.
Depending on what exact material it is, E0 could be worse. Just make sure it's compatible with BTEX and ethanol: www.coleparmer.com/Chemical-Resistance You could also add larger jets (+25-30%) and have the ability to run E85
I love discussions. as long as people limit the personal attacks and we use viable sources for information. there is so many parts to the ethanol discussion that its hard to keep it all in one place
I get 30mpg with e85 on the highway in my 1.8t. heated e85 to coolant temps for vaporization. Couldnt make it detonate if i tried. It needs less timing (good thing), i make more power, it still cools the charge. Once ethanol's heated to 170°f the molecules break their bond from the droplets, those separated molecules are now cold, and they wanna get warm again, so they steal the heat out of the surrounding boost charge. Ever see an intake mani frost over on a methanol injected big block chevy? Its not because that fuel was that cold, its because that fuel got hot, separated, absorbed more heat, repeat. Drops of fuel arent exposed to enough air to absorb heat to its full saturation. So you ask how can you get your droplets exposed to more air if your intake temps arent already 180°? You guessed it😘 purposely heat the fuel. Alcohol will never lose its heat to the air outside of it, it will evaporate instead. The molecules on the edge of the droplet will keep absorbing heat until they have enough heat-energy to break their bond from the droplet, which results in a cooling effect. Now the droplet and the molecule that just left are now cold and exposed to more air to absorb heat from. This hapoens repeatedly, until all the droplets become completely separated into their own individual heat hungry molecules that cant divide any further. The charge might be ice cold at that point but it is far more explosive and energy dense, than cold drops of fuel injected that only absorb small amounts of heat from the surrounding air. All in all, youll likely never get to the point where your e85 has been so saturated with heat that it cant absorb any more. This is why small framed turbo cars running way out of their efficiency range can make so much power on e85, its because e85 thrives in that boost heat. Only vapors are explosive. Liquid fuels are not explosive, hence why we waste 90% of our fuel out the tail pipe. A fully vaporized mixture is extremely explosive. Even if its vaporization didnt cool the charge, youd still be making more power, and mbt could be closer to tdc which is ideal since you want the whole explosion to happen after tdc. My personal experience is that heating e85 doesnt lower its motor octane rating, it just makes it more useable. Ive logged my knock sensors and they werent ever over 12volts. The one thing most important about heating e85 is heat/ ethanol percentage control, and dyno tuning for specific heat ranges and ethanol percentages. I havent done either which i guess is the reason my rod piston broke in half from high cylinder pressure. That night it broke i reduced timing 3° because it was losing power in higher gears when building boost as if i was far beyond mbt. With my ko4 hybrid, tube mani and 2.5" dp i was spinning all 4 in my heavy ass b6. The car went fucking ham. Im building a 12:1 compression forged bottom end and going back for more after some dyno tuning lmao.
Its the same exact reason that when you pour boiling water onto a frozen cold ground it will freeze faster than the colder temperature water would. The water evaporates, is exposed to more air faster, condenses back quickly and falls back to the ground and freezes. Adding heat-energy to a fluid just speeds up the process of the end result. The evaporated fluid is exposed to more of the air where it quickly gets to its ultimate reaction, which depending on the fluid, atmosphere pressure, and air temp will be to condense or evaporate. Ethanols evaporation temperature may be 170° at atmospheric pressure but under boost it has to overcome that pressure, therefore itll need more heat to break from its bond. Since it will steal heat and not just conform with the temperature of the surrounding air, it can get its extra heat it needs to evaporate even if the surrounding air temperature is colder than itself
A new gas station called racetrac came up and offers E20 it doesn’t have an octane rating on it and research is difficult to find it but I find it to be equivalent to premium. However my 07 Lexus IS350 likes it actually. Even my 04 Dodge Ram likes it. Mpg is the same and no noises.
Jacob Kaul previously the station was serving E15 for a few months but the price wasn’t beneficial to me and it actually stated it was 88octane on the pump. But the E20 just says for flex vehicles only message that’s. So yes guessing around 90. Closest E30-E85 station is over an hour and half away.
What do you have your camera attached to ?? I can't get in to the test your doing because your tripod is so annoying. so which is better in a car and which is better in small 4 stroke engine aka 4 cycle?
I have a square body Chevy c10 that has been LQ4 swapped mostly stock that I want to be able to run E 85. How much bigger injectors do I need to use and will E85 damage my Walbro 255 fuel pump ? I have already installed high pressure teflon lines fuel hose.
gen iv 6.0L ls engines use 50LB injectors. Should be compatible with your rails but you'll need to make user your pcm has the flex fuel settings, you'd need a sensor for the ethonol and might even need upgraded rails. Not really sure what else since you're not in a full stock config.
OK we know that ethanol burns cleaner open flame gasoline will leave a lot of soot .. Burning in an open glass does not prove anything to do with an Internal combustion engine ..
And what would change? If ethanol already burns cleaner under atmospheric pressure of that room, why would it all of a sudden be filthy under the pressure of a cylinder? And vise versa, how would sooty, carbon-y gasoline all of a sudden burn cleanly without black soot in a cylinder?
Your test is not very scientific. You only found out what would happen with the amount of oxygen that is available in the manner in which you are burning it. The results would be completely different if you provided the amount of oxygen that was needed by each different type of fuel.
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Gasoline will provide higher miles per gallon because it has higher thermal content than ethanol. However, a car modified to use ethanol, such as E85 fuel, is preferred by many performance oriented people because it has a higher octane than premium gasoline. E85 burns slower, cleaner and cooler, working well with an engine that has higher compression. Higher compression, whether mechanical or from increased boost, allows more power and the use a more aggressive camshaft.
That said, ethanol content in regular engines can cause scaly carb residue, because ethanol melds with moisture in the gas. When the fuel evaporates, it creates white deposits which clog up small carb passageways.
Ethanol: Good for engines designed for it. Sometimes creates problems for engines not designed for it.
HigherWisdom I have other videos designated to small engines and Ethanol "problems". Cost per mile when figuring for E85 as well. Mpg is meaningless
I think the MPG depends on the application, but good point, cost per mile is the bottom line.
My opinions are based on my own observations. A friend of mine helps people with E85 conversions and has built engines in excess of 1,000 horsepower with E85.
This is a really informative video, by the way.
I'll definitely have to check out your other vids too.
Also using e85 or e98 your motor might not build enough heat to burn the moisture out or your oil it if you dont run it long enough, if you are using a synthetic/blend your oil will get milky. Sure is nice paying a couple bucks a gallon for my drag car instead of 10-14 for race gas
Jacob Paul...Please tell us where we're going to get the vast amount of acreage required to fulfill your pipe dream of making all cars burn 100% ethanol? And what are we going to eat when all farmers jump on the ethanol bandwagon?
The yellow in your specimen gasoline is a DYE. Same as the old blue Sunoco used to be.
At present, ethanol is highly subsidized by every bodies taxes...until the
government agenda is reached...then watch the price go to the moon.
Comparing race engines to a street engines is also a falsehood, see HigherWisdom's comment on this. Congratulations on being politically correct.
rayford21 you have a skewed view of my "pipe dream". I simply want fuel Choice at each pump. Fuel competion. We have an Ethanol surplus currently and corn is crazy cheap
the problem with 87 octane is not the ethanol but the garbage fuel they use. 10% 113 octane ethanol added to shit gas to make an 87 octane fuel. 90% 84 octane +10% ethanol= 86.9octane
I love the E85 in my 5.3 2014 Silverado. It runs smoother and has more power. I get 19 on the highway. Average 17. In the winter I use E30 and regular gas. In the winter E85 starts harder and goes through a tank faster. I live in Minnesota.
I use E-30 in my FlexFuel '14 Chevy Equinox(2.4L 4-cyl.) and I get 28-29 mpg on trips, 23-26 mpg in daily driving.
Damn the fuel.. how bout some grease on that tripod😂 all kidin aside I know this is old vid and I'm late to the party but y'all just earned another like and a new sub. Thxs folks
You are awesome..very smart, open minded and pragmatic! Be safe!
All I run is E85 with no problems what so ever in my Subaru STI and I love it. My tuner always tells me take apart 2 identical motors one that runs on E85 and one that runs on gasoline and tell me which one is cleaner. The E85 motor is spotless and the gasoline motor has carbon build up all over it. I will agree however you definitely don't get the same fuel economy. Though as far as cost goes it equals out to be the same. I'll take the E85 all day over 93 octane. Cleaner, safer for your motor, and the power is amazing!
Question is: are you running true E85 with an 85% content, or pump E85? Here in AZ our pumps say E85 but in fine print the Ethanol is closer to like 50%. I now have to buy all my race fuel from a shop close by. Toro or Ignite usually depending on %. I know a lot of ricers out here thinking they’re running high shit but really it’s what I run in my 93 XJ.. lmfao
I run e85 in one car and E15 in the other, no issues whatsoever.
@@dannyman9860 the flex fuel pumps here in PA, state betwee 51-83 percent ethanol. Perhaps different times of the year, it lower or higher.
I used to run stage 3 with E85 on my STI. ALSO, YOU CAN RUN YOUR CAR WITH E85 in a ratio 7-1. (7 gallons of 91 or 93 with 1 gallon of E85), no new map or mod needed, you will feel your car “breath better” more punching, like after you install fresh spark plugs...I did this mix (7-1) after my STI on my Audi RS4, for 4 years and now on my Macan Turbo for the past 2 years. The tips (exhaust) comes “ less dark” than with regular gas (10%Ethanol bs). Some guys do ratio (5-1 ratio) but I prefer stay in the safe side cause E85 is” leaner” so you are supposed to increase your injectors size. Anyway you will feel the difference on muscle cars, no difference on p***y engine. I always keep 10 gallons bottles of E85 in my garage and add it to my tank (14-2) or (7-1). E85 is “organic gas” for your baby. But it burn 20-25% faster... So just a little ratio mix is healthy for performance car, it’s more like running cleaner, your Turbo will love it too, cold alcohol from E85 oh yeah... And it comes cheaper than regular gas.
at 8:10 you talk about how they "remove ethanol from regular gasoline" but its the other way around, ethanol is added as a oxygenator.... Regular gasoline is Non ethanol......
All of these fuels will have completely different burning characteristics when burned in the cylinder under compression. The difference in compression will also make a huge difference. Open air burning will tell you something, but what exactly? Racing fuels I used to run were blended every which way we could think of and until we tore down and saw the results on the mechanics inside the engines, regardless of horsepower gains, the burn rate is just a guess. I will agree that some ethanol does reduce emissions, but it can also reduce fuel mileage resulting in more fuel used with the end result of emission gains being a wash.
highly in accurate. e85 is 60+% cleaner while I only loose 14%-18% mpg. blends of E30 actually maintain or increase mpg. a few studies out there prove this. blender pumps are the future!
That's not what he's saying. He's saying if 0 ethanol petrol gas is clear, and ethanol fuels are clear, why is regular 10% ethanol 87 octane pump gas yellow? It's because of BTEX, they add this crap in so you go buy these fuel cleaning agents that they claim is because of ethanol, which is not true.
I don't think they are adding the BTEX to get people to buy additives...it's to turn a waste by product...BTEX... that would normally cost them large money to dispose of into something they can sell worth whatever the price of gas is.... Kind of reminds me of Fluoride...
Harry Guy... That, my friend, is right on the money!!! The added "benefit" of flouride is that it makes people docile. That's why the Nazi's used in the death camps.
E10 can do what pure gasoline cannot ever do. Decrease NOx formation during combustion. Emissions are not just COx. Ethanol won the battle of which gasoline additive can reduce NOx to comply with clean air rules. Other additives lost. Coincidentally, or not, ag producers and the corn industry like biofuels because it gives them a market for their product. But in 1992 the original reason for ethanol was NOx formation reduction.
Started using e10 octane 95 here on friday and in my 1999 lexus is200 im getting 5 -7 mpg more inner city than when im super light footed with e5 octane 95 . In fact my car runs more like when i run 99 octane / 99ron . Why is this ? Im actually getting the 23-25 mpg lexus suggest rather than 17/18 mpg inner city ive gotten at a push lightfooted . Seems odd
Alcohol is better for a boosted or supercharged application over gasoline
I cant help but notice the metal container of non ethanol is much dirtier than the rest, what you really should have done was to wipe the cointners with the paper towels after
The reason "people say ethanol burns hotter" is because the mixture when metered through a jet in a carburetor adjusted for non ethanol is too lean a mixture which burns hotter. Your experiment has nothing to do with how these fuels are consumed in an actual engine.
Ron Dye you are correct with the adjustment. Ethanol burns cooler when properly set up. I'd love for you to counter the emmissions part of your claim.
Actually your both wrong on the burn cooler or hotter, ethanol has less btu per volume than standard gasoline so if burned in equal volume ethanol will be cooler but ran at correct afr for each ,ethanol has much higher btu because your adding much more volume to the cylinder. Gasoline btu 18,500 btu per lb so an engine requiring 42.64 lb of air @ 12.8:1 afr full throttle would need 2.89 pounds of fuel with a btu of 53,465 an engine running e85 with a btu of 12,200 per lb and the same engine would need an afr of 6.8:1 resulting in 6.27 pounds of e85 for a btu of 76,557 . considerably hotter this is where the power gain comes from. You are 100% correct on the clean burning of ethanol though I have seen engines run with only e85 and when taken apart after 100,000 miles they are spotless inside allmost zero carbon or gunk anywhere!
Ethanol vapor does have cooling properties though. My truck runs noticeably cooler on E85 than on E10.
+Jacob... Your experiment is not happening in a properly metered high pressure environment. This soot is not generated when the fuel is burned in an engine.
Ethanol C2-H6-O contains oxygen. That is why drag cars love alcohol fuel - it contains O2 and that means less air (which is only 20% oxygen to begin with) they have to ram into the engine. To burn cleanly you need to supply gasoline with the proper oxygen / fuel ratio. Your gas fire stacks are oxygen starved. You just have a wicked flame that is trying and failing to draw the oxygen it requires. That means they are burning with more soot - just like a propane flame that is not adjusted correctly or a candle in a deep glass that can't get all the 02 it needs.
Your ethanol stacks have an 02/ fuel ratio close to ideal (since they have some of the needed 02 built right in) and therefore burn cleaner. If you were to atomize your samples insuring they have sufficient 02 for complete combustion they would all 'appear' to burn clean. That was the whole point of a carburetor - atomize efficiently. As far as the flame heights - Ethanol has only about 65% the energy of gasoline - your E85 burns with only 70% the energy of the gasoline stacks so it will obviously appear to have a smaller fire because there is less combustion occurring.. As far as burning hotter - lean out the mixture in an engine at it burns hotter - and beyond certain limits becomes harmful by burning (oxidizing) other components. A 10% value was settled on in part because, back in carburetor days, more than that leaned the engine too much without different jetting - which then would lose the ability to run on both fuels efficiently. Put 10% ethanol fuel in a lawn mower and it will run leaner and hotter.
Most of that is partially true my friend. Yes they may be oxygen deprived but it is common knowledge and easily researchable that ethanol reduces harmful emissions by 60+%. "energy' as you mention is btu's. Btus are irrelevant to the internal combustion engine as they measure heat not work or efficiency. It is all about engine optimization my friend. case in point --> wayne.edu/newsroom/release/1998/06/04/high-performance-wayne-state-ethanol-car-wins-1998-ethanol-vehicle-challenge-1464 .......enjoy that story. As far as lean. a simple turn of the AFR screw shall handle that. When set up properly ethanol burns cooler. MUCH cooler.
it is common knowledge and easily researchable that ethanol reduces harmful emissions by 60+%.-------------------------- That is a convoluted and highly complex debate on how we compute total emissions. Among other things, ethanol advocates subtract the amount of CO2 that the corn stalks absorbed from tail pipe levels. There is a study out there for every opinion..............
"energy' as you mention is btu's. BTU' s are irrelevant to the internal combustion engine as they measure heat not work or efficiency. ------------------------------It is not irrelevant. BTUs area measure of energy. Gasoline has about 114 BTU's per gallon. If you want that in more energy sounding terms then it has 33 KwHours per gallon. If we are talking about fuel, then we talk energy. The engine or device must then convert that energy into work. ....................It is all about engine optimization my friend. ----------------------- And that is a completely different topic. But no matter what device you choose - if it could be 100% efficient, it still only has 70% the available energy to work with using E85 ...............
As far as lean. a simple turn of the AFR screw shall handle that. ------------------------------- My point here was that some might claim it burns hotter - because it might be burning lean. White spark plugs are often said to be a sign that it is metered too 'hot' when it means oxygen rich and not actual temperature. ............................When set up properly ethanol burns cooler. MUCH cooler ---------------------------. That has to do with combustion rate. An engine at 4000 rpm is burning more fuel and could claimed to be burning 'hotter' than an engine at 2000 rpm. If the cooling system didn't remove the excess waste heat then the engine would indeed be hotter. The amount of heat/energy released in a combustion stroke will control temperature and it would make sense that a fuel with only 70% of the energy entering the combustion chamber during any given stroke would produce less heat under the same conditions as one with more - but you will get less Work out of it.
All the fuels are still in the same atmospheric pressure of, well, whatever the room was at the time of burning. What would you prove by viewing the ignition under cylinder pressure? Nothing, because the gasoline would still burn sooty and black from excess carbon emissions. Ethanol will be cleaner whether you burn it in a wick jar or in an engine. Your point is irrelevant
I think it's great to do testing. But note that assuming how much stuff is on a rag above an open flame is super non clinical. Note in all cases the fuel is burned under compression. Also put a candle there and vary how high the towel is above the flame, the higher the flame, the close it is to the combustion and will show more particulates. Simple test pass a wooden ruler through the top of the flame, they will all produce soot. IF you want a real test, put a tank of each in a car and drive the same highway until empty. The one that goes furthest will show you which is practically more efficient by volume. Then compare the prices and impacts of each type on production.
Great job in trying to test something, but make sure your test is actually setup to measure what you think you are measuring.
Well the size of the flame does not have anything to do with burning hotter but ethanol does burn cooler and you need more so that also brings down cylinder temps
Ummm....Indy cars have run on 100% METHANOL for 40+ years. NASCAR engines are like Brazilian car engines a decade ago, designed to run on ONLY 100% pure ETHANOL. There's a class of drag racers commonly called "Alky's" that burn 100% METHANOL. No street vehicle in the US will run on either methanol or 100% ethanol. The engines aren't designed for it. Adulterating gasoline with ethanol is always harmful. E-85 DOES NOT provide an "octane bump". Only 5% METHANOL directly injected with water into a cylinder provides an "octane bump" as the F6F Hellcats with methanol injection, the B-29's with 2% ethanol added to 165 Octane leaded gasoline, and the German Junker's Jumo powered fighters with water methanol injection, which shortened the life of the Jumo by 66% according to Milch. I wish almost any u-toober understood science and could read 1933 "Proceedings of the SAE on engine performance".
It’s not just about how hot the fuel burns. It’s about the high or low compression of the engine and engine timing.
Question why then do carbs on boats gum up using ethanol's ? In the boat business its a killer !
Al Johnson boats are exposed to a lot more water/water vapor. Ethanol likes to absorb water. Because boats aren’t used all the time and tend to be carbureted that can cause significant problems.
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76 oil company representatives watched this video.
actually 187 did lol
Ethanol is a high octane, renewable fuel that burns with very little carbon. This demonstration showed that it burns a lot cleaner. You’ll also have less CO emissions. Aldehyde and formaldehyde are increased, so I’m not going to say that it’s better for people to breathe, but from what I’ve found this is only from when gasoline is blended with ethanol. I like ethanol because it helps me to use significantly less gasoline. I do use more fuel, but actual gasoline is cut way down. Fuel mileage loss isn’t significant with the E85, and it doesn’t seem to decrease at all with around 30-50%.
Also, they use benzene and toluene for increasing octane. Those are carcinogenic chemicals. Keep in mind that ethanol will reduce those chemicals while adding octane, but will also increase aldehydes.
I'm still stuck on the "E10 = regular gas". I'm of the era when "Regular Gas" meant leaded fuel instead of unleaded fuel. The pumps were actually labeled "Regular" and "Unleaded".
I understand. considering 97% of the fuel in the US is e10, the label of "regular" pretty much works
My gas station in Iowa has gas labeled as follows: regular - 87 octane, no ethanol ; super - 89 octane, 10% ethanol ; premium - 92 octane no ethanol
I'm talking "Back in the day". When gas was 3gal for $1.00! The four pumps at the local Firestone Gas Station didn't even list octane, just "Regular" and "Unleaded". BTW, as I recall, only one pump had the Unleaded at that time. Early '70's.
Regular(leaded) was dropped for the most part back in late 70s, and eventually mandated out existence except for race fuels and aviation fuels. Regualr means low octane unleaded since early 80s
Yuh I know the history, I lived it, I was just being nostalgic.
Jep E10 should have higher octane rating than E5, but a friend of mine had to pull timing out of his engine, turned out that the octane rating was actually lower. That defenately points to a crappier petrol being used.
RESULTS VOID , emission from pressurized combustion is vastly different than that of atmospheric combustion...
Do some simple research and come back with info
Yeah- do what has been asked - some simple research and come back with info....
What would change other than the amount produced? Would the gasoline suddenly burn clean with no black soot from carbon emissions and would the ethanol suddenly burn filthy? Use the few brain cells God gave you to actually think.
also another intresting thing worth noting is look at the soot that the e0 and e10 give off. That soot goes into the atmosphere and causes smog in big cities. I would say e30 is a good starting point. It seems like most regular cars can run on e30 just fine. I am scared to jump to e50 though
Go straight to methanol injection ;-)
We run E30 (actually 27.5%) in American cars all the time here in Brazil. Thats the least Ethanol content you can buy for import cars.
I think the experiment is very clear but surely it’s to be expected. Oil based products are produced
by vertical fractional distillation and when heated the oil starts to break up the higher up the
distillation the more refined the fuel so the less impurities, carbons etc. Grain based alcohol
(Ethanol) is a refined product which is very expensive to produce and is subsidised by the
government to enable it to be sold as an additive in carbon based or oil based fuels. So when alcohol
burns there is little visible smoke as it’s not oil based. The main argument for getting rid of grain based
alcohols from your regular fuel (American gasoline) nothing to do with gas by the way, is the
ethanol properties of being easily absorbed by water, and its effect on rubberised components.
Methanol will swell and soften rubber seals and gaskets and cause them to fail. If you leave it over
winter in a engine which is not adapted for it the water will be absorbed into it as all petrol tanks have
breathers. This water dissolved into the ethanol will then start to attack the surfaces and corrode.
In your experiment you are getting incomplete burning of the fuel, if it’s mixed with air and atomised
under pressure inside a cylinder a different picture is seen. You went to a lot of trouble with this and
it shows you are very interested in this whole argument.
I hate big oil, all of the E85 stations have been shut down near me, this video blew my mind, the oil company’s are tricking everybody
Dylan Kolshak the truth is out there! Check out my other Ethanol videos!
Most stations here in Pennsylvania, offer e85 and E15.
That tripod is killing your vids... good info tho
was about to say lol
great video. Been running E85 for about 15k miles for a year now. No issues. Cars run a lot more smoothly for sure.
Bahahahahahaha
So you're saying it's perfectly safe for a non-FFV (with no modifications at all) to use E85 ethanol fuel, even despite what some owner manuals recommend? That the benefit of doing so will be a cooler running engine and less poisonous emissions, and the only negative being slightly less MPG? That the whole ethanol will corrode and melt away your fuel system is a myth perpetrated by big oil to scare people away from ethanol?
pam0077 with a conversion kit from change2e85.com you can. I did that with my 2007 Ford Crown Victoria. For 10k mi before I sold it. As well as me using E15 before the conversion for 15k mi
You would probably want larger injectors or it will lean out at WOT.
I run e85 in my stock 98 corolla runs just fine stock tune. I usually do 65 percent e85 and the rest 87 octane. I may try a full tank of e85 just for shits and giggles
I run e85 in my stock 98 corolla runs just fine stock tune. I usually do 65 percent e85 and the rest 87 octane. I may try a full tank of e85 just for shits and giggles
Even without the burn test it makes sense. Ethanol raises octane allowing them to have a less pure product for the other 90% of the fuel. Now if they go to sell 87 E0 (rare), 89 E0/E10, 91 E0, 93 E10 they have to use purer gas to achieve higher octane. And it’s kind of funny how we trust all the ethanol being bad claims yet it’s the oil industry who’s in direct competition telling us the claims.
I thought btex was used to boost octane. These are expensive additives. Carbon is unburned fuel , not waist or dirt. Carbon in most cases means your fuel needs more oxygen. Add the oxygen and it’s clean. Used motor oil burned in a stove with oxygen infused will burn as clean as propane, because all the carbon that makes the used oil black is burned as fuel. This is why a burning tire gives such black smoke. It’s starving for more air. Put air to a tire on fire and it’s clean as natural gas. So the none ethanol fuel needs more air but this also tells you you have more carbon or energy in that fuel. So the cleaner the fuel burns on your flame test tells you you will get less mileage. Heat is power. The hotter the combustion chamber the more power you get.
Thoughts on the temperature: The top of the fuel container is limiting the amount of fuel that can be burned right? and you have an unlimited amount of air?
What happens to the burn temp if you switch it, and have an unlimited amount of fuel and a limited amount of air? Then which one makes more heat?
brianx04 Ethanol does burn cooler. This is a known fact. A lean condition can cause otherwise. A proper AFR (air to fuel ratio) is key to keeping Ethanol's cooler burning characteristic.
Jacob Kaul unlimited fuel and limited air/oxygen would be a RICH condition not lean.
brianx04 Most engines to go from gas to Ethanol requires less oxygen because Ethanol has more then Gasoline. So an engine set to Gasoline, that's burning Ethanol that isn't adjusted would cause a lean condition. My changetoE85 .com kit does this for my vehicle. A 2000 f150 5.4
Jacob Kaul I think you changed subjects on me. Thanks for the great video! I learned something about how poor quality the regular gas is. Maybe I'll check out e85.com! Have a good day.
brianx04 thanks for watching the video. I didn't mean to change the subject quiet like that. Many videos and resources out there to research about Ethanols cooler burning. I can't offer super scientific answers to the open air question you asked but when engines are tuned for Ethanol vs engines tuned for Gasoline the Ethanol one will perform cooler. I have many other Ethanol videos worth checking out and I run a FB page with some friends called "Midwest Ethanol Outpost" thanks for the veiw and the response.
you now have me confused. non ethanol, regular gas? are you saying they removed the ethanol from the clear first jar and the second one is regular gas,
Just because you can't see the "emissions" from E85 doesn't mean there aren't any. Pure methanol burns without even a flame, as we've all seen when Indy cars catch on fire on the race track. Research has shown that ethanol produces just as much pollution as gasoline and it's more toxic and corrosive.
Also, 85 and 87 octane gas is not any "crappier" than 91 or 93 octane. They are all refined in the same way, but for varying burn rates. Lower compression engines need fuel that burns more readily. Higher compression engines need higher octane fuels which are more resistant to burning. If it was not more resistant (less volatile) the fuel would explode rather than burn which would eventually destroy the engine.
And yes, for a street engine- not a race engine which is torn down and rebuilt constantly- pure gasoline is superior in every way.
Lmfao
E10 is dirty because 87 octane is low tier fuel for average vehicles. E0 is usually blended to 90-93. To make the test comparable, use E10 with the same octane as the E0.
Bro if the gas in your area really looks like the middle jar, then you might want to consider finding better gas because regular gas where I live (NC) DOES NOT look like that at all! In fact that middle jar looks like you pulled it out of an old car that has been sitting for 10 years with a full tank of fuel. Sorry but the regular fuel where I live looks nothing at all like that.
You're a genius, real science to back up your statements. Proof and sincere. You are a true Patriot Jacob!
This video is really interesting and makes a lot of good points. My only concern is the water build up with ethanol. That seems to be the biggest concern that I hear. I get that you can add a water separation filter but that isn't really practically for small engines and the cost for older vehicles.
Look what is in a water remover like heet. It's methanol. Ethanol has the same characteristics. I did another video on this. The best way to prevent condensation is to keep a full tank. No air. No condensation.
Shame on you! And generally E85 is up around a hundred and five octane I use it in my 11 to 1 compression big block Chevy and it runs very well
E10 is crappy base with ethanol to help octane. Non ethanol is good base, no reformulated, no cracked base. But if you study the very pure avgas, there is Toluene, Xilene on it too. Dont know if all BTEX are on it also, but you can narrow the carbon producer cause.
Thanks for the vid. Please answer this question for a pure novice searching for answers! I just purchased a brand new 20 hp boat motor as my 1995 motor finally died. My mechanic instructed me to start burning ethanol free because of the damage regular e-10 gas does to my carb (although the new motor is EFI). Since I live in Michigan my boat is stored 4 - 6 months a year. My question is - ethanol-free better for my boat motor? do I need to burn it all the time or just prior to storing it? will using a higher ethanol blend (e-15, e-30, etc.) harm my small motors? I am asking in regards to my boat motors (I have 3), my riding lawnmower, lawnmower, weed whacker, leaf blower...etc. Thanks for all you do.
If you have a fb it would be easier to reach me with information on my fb page "midwest ethanol outpost" and thank you!
I would say that you can run ethanol gas like E10, I run more than 40 % ethanol in my 80s Suzuki dt15. The outboard is more alive, has a bit more power and inside the engine is close to spotless, looks like brand new. And you get a sweeter smell from ethanol when it comes out as exhaust
@@THe9-3MAnIaC thanks for the response. I failed to mention my outboard is 4- cycle of that matters.
@@rickrazz7136 I don't think it matters either engine type, I have a Parsun 2.6 4 storke outboard as well and I run about 50% ethanol in that and no problems. The only thing I did was to change to a bigger main jet
Like you said, it's a great way for large industry to get rid of their hazardous waste. Same way the get rid of flourine by putting it in our water and claiming it is to "help" us.
Thats all fine and dandy for automobiles with fuel injection, the big problem everyone keeps forgetting is the ethonol blended fuels, weather with or without more btex destroys carburetors.
If you run any small engine that has a carburetor you really need regular non ethanol fuel.
Otherwise you have to add a stabilizer or keep the gas out of the carb when not in use. However 90% of consumers don't. Now they want to raise ethanol to 15% minumum, they say carburetors cant handle it and small engines get messed up from the stuff, weather true or not more ethanol will cause more problems in carbs. Non ethanol has to be readily available for these applications or they should be adding the stabilizer to stop the break down and attraction of water from ethanol blended fuels. In cars who cares, the problem is small engines. Their finally heading towards efi on small engines but its going to be another 20 years before every small engine is efi and theirs a lot more upkeep on efi on small engines. We need the non ethanol blends for our small engines and its not fair we have to pay out the ass for it either when clearly non ethanol is cheaper to refine.
Also they should just switch over to E85 worldwide for cars. Its burns clean. However offer on ethanol for the engines that nerd it. E10 and E15 is pointless, take it straight to E85 for cars like Brazil.
Oil companies wont allow it due to greed however our recources are running out anyway so why not switch over now to preserve and have the stuff around for much longer.....
Oh and mosts carbs on small engines are non adjustable now.
No, ethanol is NOT the problem with carbs. Get that out of your head before you respond first. View this second: th-cam.com/video/yNk4Am3K7Hg/w-d-xo.html
I would say that the petrol in etanol fuels is the biggest problem, ethanol isn't a problem
@@THe9-3MAnIaC Many of the machines I work on were built before they added the damn shit to gasoline. Adding ethanol to gasoline was the biggest mistake they ever made concerning power equipment with carburetors in use. 2 cycle outboards can't handle the crap, the reason marinas sell non ethanol. Water and fuel don't mix. Ethanol attracts moisture fast. It's shelf life is 3 months. 100% fuel is much longer. All good in a sealed system with fuel injection, like cars. No good for carburetors. Give me 100% good old fashioned gasoline. Like thing's were pre 2006 in the United States. Subsidies for corn is the only reason the garbage is added up here. Nothing good about it. Mixing it with gas was a stupid idea.
@@Karmickey1010 interesting. i can go pull a lawnmower with gas from 20 years ago out and itll crank and run. cant even get one thats sat over winter to run. carb is gummed up. its the ethanol absorbing water, and then the water corroding the aluminum or diecast carbs.
@@Mr_Tecumseh : I've been running E-15 in my mowers(John Deere) and chainsaws(Stihl) for years now without trouble. A little SeaFoam every other tank seems to help.
Burning in open air is not equivalent to burning under pressure.
Why are we using what’s left of our water to grow fuel?
The E10 might have some sort of weird specific heat thing that cools the flame just enough that the BTEX carbon-carbon bonds never get hot enough to burn.
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Aromatic carbon-carbon bonds are more reactive than saturated carbon carbon bonds. It has to do with the greater electron density and availability in the pi orbitals of their aromatic ring vs the more tightly held electrons of C-C sigma bonds.
if the 2nd one is 10% ethanol then that is what the majority of pumps carry now. worst polluter and most plentiful.
i use non ethanol when possible and pay about 45 cents a gallon more but it delivers more power and better mileage in my '91 s10 and my '86 kawasaki. when i switched over to non ethanol in my bike i had to adjust the idle because suddenly that 1100 rpm idle speed became 1500 rpms with the good stuff. also my mileage went up about 5 mpg.
also on these older bikes ethanol has been shown to damage the nitrile rubber in the carbs and also ruins petcocks as over time it will dissolve the rubber diaphragm. bad for fuel lines too.
keep that corn squeezins out of them older engines.
paul k check out some of my other videos. E0 is not perfect at all
I too have noticed 10% less mileage with 10% ethanol in the gas.
Matt Math cost per mile bud. See my other videos
My K1100 LT pings on ethanol, but not on non-ethanol @ the same octane.
You can replace and upgrade fuel hoses. Your nitrile gaskets and diaprhams for older bijes and the like are hard to even find anymore. Most modern rebuild and gasket kits no longer use nitrile because the plants that make them are tooled up to use other materials. In many cases a simple gasket and diaprham replacement should solve any degrading issues youd get from ethanol. That is the basic upgrades you get if you "convert" your vehicle to ethanol. Hoses and in the case of carbs upgraded material gaskets.
Ethanol burns cooler than regular fuel, and has far fewer hydrocarbons. Not sure were the claims come from, but all the information states that E85 is less energy dense than pure gasoline.
Regular gas burn hotter causes more engine knock, ethanol gas burns cooler and causes less engine knock. Reg gas lower octane higher knock, ethanol is opposite.
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Love all your videos!
Michael Deegan thank you. Go check out my FB page Midwest Ethanol Outpost!
Listen to this guy. He knows what's up.
Ethanol burns slower proof is ignition timing added even at same octane as other fuels. A 93 octane gas tune will use less timing then an ethanol mix of 91 and ethanol combined to create 93 octane. About e25. makes 93 when mixed with 91.
BTEX was added to fuel when lead was removed. BTEX is basically an octane booster. If you're old enough, you'll remember run-on; an engine would continue to sputter and turn even after you removed the key from the ignition. Pre-detonation at the higher temps resulting from burning unleaded fuel would just keep the engine chugging. Lead slowed the combustion process so power was available to drive a piston through more of the stroke.
So, BTEX isn't the trash in fuel. Refineries and oil companies are using less refined base gasoline because the addition of alcohol allows it. Alcohol has an extremely high solubility factor even compared to gasoline, and because of that your fuel system can withstand a lower quality base fuel and still remain clean. The trade-off is that you will get a dirty combustion as that crappy gasoline gets burned, and your results support that conclusion.
Jim R false. That was mtbe. Btex was added in the late 90's in an attempt to clean up emmissions (smog days in Cali) and to avoid Ethanol usage. It is trash. Cancerous evaporating quickly fuel line destroying TRASH
Jim R
Because ethanol is an octane improver, naphtha does not need as much hydrocracking to produce as high an octane base stock.
@@jacobkaul5012 I personally remember being in Milwaukee in 1992 when MTBE was first added as Milw was an EPA attainment zone. There were stories on the news of people getting lightheaded and dizzy filling up. I personally remember the awful smell of the stuff, I think it was worse in winter. Ethanol way, way better.
So would I be correct in saying that E15 would likely look the same as E10? Since all they’re doing is adding an extra 5% ethanol to the E10.
Most likely. It's such a similar fuel that it should and could be ran in more engines
Jacob Kaul rip my other commented got unfavorited cause I edited it a little bit lol
Classic example of a video which fails to deliver on its promise...
Well Over 500 people disagree 😙
Jacob Kaul
Maybe they didn’t read the description or don’t know what an emission test is...I mistakenly assumed the emission testing that was promised would reflect ICE operating conditions and would be more definitive. Turns out I was wrong.
@@FrankGutowski-ls8jt simply research Ethanols cleaniness
Just regular gas(E10) looks yellowish unlike non-ethanol and E85. Obviously E10 sample is less clear and produce more pollution
fessss83 color has nothing to do with cleanliness. It does show how people are being coned
Okay, now to make this test clear would you like to add clear ethanol to non-ethanol fuel to get E10 and then compare it in color and burning with E10 you have got before?
fessss83 not how it works. Gasoline itself is made up of dozens of components. The "gas" in e0 and the "gas" in E10 are much much different.
@@jacobkaul5012 do you know is difference in additives or in base, or both?
@@fessss83 I wish I new more of the chemical make up. I need to dig more
@jacob kaul i'd love to run my motorcycle on ethanol. If possible pure ethanol. What do you recommend me to do to make my bike use it? I'm aware that I have to change all the possibly oxidative parts (rust?).
Make sure the materials are compatible (easy with this chart: www.coleparmer.com/Chemical-Resistance). The second thing to do is to adjust your carb or EFI. If it is a carb, essentially all you need to do is increase the jet size by about 25-30%. If it is EFI, you would have to rewrite the software to have a broader range of AFR, OR, you get a custom plug and play kit made for it from a company like fuelflex international (the parent company of the kits seen in Pump: The Movie).
@@Karmickey1010 Thanks for the link. Love this video. Go Brazil!!! (I'm not from there btw)
Interesting! Thank you. I'm going to watch the movie.
The real problem is with E10 which is regular now and other E 20 or 30 or 50 or even E 85 they can use heavier distillates of gasoline because the ethanol brings up the octane, so though lower octane may have more energy because its getting closer to heavier fuels like diesel is it maybe dirtier and harder to burn efficiently?
Loosen some screws before moving the camera
HAHAHAHAHA so true
Your test may be flawed. What I'm seeing is gas vaporizes with heat, and doesn't burn with a lack of oxygen. Ethanol is more like alcohol and doesn't vaporize as easily as gas. On two stroke carburated engines ethanol verse non ethanol is a clear. And I'd rather go with non ethanol on anything that will sit for a while or become exposed to high humidity.
Also engine life has more to do with than carbon buildup. I'm not sure I'm seeing a clear winner
Ive been running e85 in non flex vehicles. Proof on my channel
My dad says that half a tank of regular and half E85 runs fine in his Chrysler Town&Country.
@Anton Zuykov a long time. Higher octane cant hurt shit and its own octane makes up for the its own added oxygen that made it into a "lean" mixture
As far as small engines its proven plus the biggest difference is that when water gets introduced its separated in regular making it a little bit more difficult for engines to run because you do have that splash of Water by itself and fuel by itself however with ethanol gas you do have that mixture of fuel with water which in terms burns cleaner do to the steaming properties of the water mix with the ethanol if it came down to it both are good as well as bad
I would like this guy to go a step further with two things. Why were catalytic converters required starting in 1975. Why? So big oil could dump toxic waste in the fuel supply and get rid of it. Even better it is like a filler so you and I actually pay big oil for toxic waste.
The other thing I would love him to check into is why can't we buy white gas any more? AMOCO Ultimate was white gas. It was perfectly clear. Put a glass of Amoco Ultimate beside a glass of drinking water and see if you can tell the difference just by looking at it. You can't.
Unfortunately when BP took over Amoco they stopped producing the Ultimate white gas. That was really good stuff. Put any of today's gasoline to shame.
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You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
I wouldn't say that it's a conspiracy at all. Just the facts.
Darby544 123456
Ha. You’re going back almost five decades with your story about white gas. Times change. Move on.
Benzene is really nasty stuff. I'm constantly doing a fuel system clean to unstick injectors.
Benzene has been allowed in gasoline since 1974, so you're full of BS. Benzene is a very powerful organic solvent which if available, would be the perfect cleaner for stuck fuel injectors.
I can't help but notice that the e10 and e30 are burning dirty as fuck. It's like I said a long time ago when they talked about ethanol. It should have come out as its own 100% fuel next to non ethanol gas pumps. The industries could have been incentivized to make things that run on it and people eventually would have flipped over because of better performance. Not all chemical mixtures are good and the e10 looked like it was practicing the fire flower jutsu from Naruto. The reason for such a poor showing on those lower ethanol mixtures is probably all the other chemicals added to stabilize or make the mixtures work. One thing I don't envy ethanol users though is that I'm not waiting 30 minutes for 5 dollars of gas in the morning. I pumped gas for years and every time people got ethanol fuel it pumped slower than molassas in the morning. Cold only made it worse.
I think they use a worse quality petrol in the E30 up to E50, the ethanol is not the problem
I’d like to make a suggestion. Do a burn test to compare normal pump 87 E10 and pump 93 E10 (preferably Shell V-Power) to show the difference between crappy gas with ethanol and quality gas with ethanol.
Really I’d like to see an overall show down of the more common fuels:
85 E0 (farm use and high elevation)
87 E10
88 E15
89 E0/E10
91 E0
93 E10
E85
Though I realize all of those in the same area are hard to come by. For example in my area of Wisconsin, 93 and especially 85 are really rare.
burning hotter really has nothing to do with it ethanol based fuel or alcohol-based fuel requires more oxygen to fully burn. and it's already been known that higher ethanol is cleaner and cheaper to produce that is why the EPA pushes for it to become common place
Jacob Kaul is a folk hero.
See, companies can make it much easier on the engine and the mechanics at the garage if they just made it as simple as have more air in your fuel to air ratio. The ONLY reason the ether is bad in emissions is due to too little air. That’s like someone saying they needa stop running a weed whacker that’s terrible in emissions that only has a choke. Not enough air.
If gas was switched to anything more than E10, I would have to spend around $3,000, just in parts, to get my car to run anything more than E10. The lines, low and high pressure fuel pumps, injectors, and tuning, in order to do that. And there are very, very few tunes on the market for VW for higher ethanol blends. I'm just going to get E0 and call it good. Ethanol attracts water in to the fuel system, which will also cause bacteria growth and corrosion. Also, cold starts I'm colder climates are even worse. Because ethanol isn't near as hot burning as gasoline. Also, I thought BTEX was outlawed years ago.
bandgeekforever100 lol
So much to learn.
Must suck newer bmws can run full e85 on a simple stage 2 299$ lpfp vw = poop
bandgeekforever100
No. It does not ‘attract’ water to the fuel system. It dissolves water into gasoline which enters anyway through condensation...expansion of vapors followed by contraction... is what draws in humid air.
I'd like to see a GCMS analysis done on these fuels. That would tell us exactly what compounds are in a drop of fuel. I wonder if someone on TH-cam has done this?
Ethanol has less energy than gasoline, thus produces less heat. Diesel fuel contains the most energy, of all motor vehicle fuels, which is why you get better mileage and more power per gallon.
Energy aye. You mean btus. Which mean nothing.
After watching so much stuff on gas and E85. I have discovered that a engine build with high performance part's used for quick run's,E85 is best because it keeps everything clean and burns better thoe you use more of it and burn a hole in the wallet to. But for every day car's that just take you up and down 91-93 gas is best, essay on the wallet, better miles and the none high performance part's are happy too. So I recommend run supreme gas every day then once a month fill with E85 on the flex fuel to get rid of deposits then back to supreme gas.
gabriel sapien or run E30 daily
Why is only a select vehicles able to run E85 then if it burns better? Does it cause corrosion?
You didn't watch enough of the video
in 20 years this type of video will be about what type of battery exhaust gasses are cleaner and will be measured with stuff thats not even invented yet.
So I'm buying a brand new $1,500 Ariens snowblower tomorrow I'm in New Jersey and they do not sell non ethanol gas what would you say is the best thing for me to run through that new Ariens snowblower
eddiekytia trufuel from Lowe's or home Depot, it's expensive though
Another example of the so-called "trash" in gas besides btex, is all of the olefins and polymer junk pumped into it as well.
So what I'm hearing it run either nonethanol or e85 depending on application. Ditch e10 because of the BTEX chemicals. Is this the correct take away?
Meehhh no. E0 still has plenty of btex. E30 could be a good way to find middle ground.
Brock Widder and E15 is the same gas that’s in E10 just with an extra 5% ethanol to get that additional 1 octane. Overall it’s really going to depend because hypothetically they could still shove all the btex crap into E85 but because the ethanol burns cleaner you’d still have an overall cleaner fuel than E10. In a perfect world the cleanest E85 would have 91 octane pure gas but that won’t happen. Like he said though E30 seems to be the point where the ethanol offsets any btex they shove into the gasoline.
Would adding methylated spirits to your fuel tank take the glaze off because it has solvent in it, it has acetone and two other solvents including ethanol.
it may. With any blending or solvent add it slowly
GrumpyOld Bugger
It’s just denatured ethanol. No acetone. No other solvents.
You do realize BTEX is in all gasoline it’s what makes up gas and octane premium fuel has even more toluene xylene etc have 120 ish octane even race fuel has it
Whats the name of the movie you reccomend? Bump the movie?
PUMP the movie
You car will get lot less MPG on Ethanol fuel then regular fuel without Ethanol! Car the uses E85 will get at least 3 MPG less than with non-Ethanol furl!
If the e85 is priced right at all, your cost per mile would still be beneficial with E85. Try researching the use of E30. Blender pumps or splash blending it. No MPG loss, 93 octane and cheaper.
My truck is now carburetor powered instead of fuel injection. It now has rubber fuel line. Should I run the non ethenal? That's what I was thinking.
10% ethanol will definitely be safe.
Depending on what exact material it is, E0 could be worse. Just make sure it's compatible with BTEX and ethanol: www.coleparmer.com/Chemical-Resistance
You could also add larger jets (+25-30%) and have the ability to run E85
Hell yeah.
Simplest way, just look at the chemistry;
•(Octane) Gasoline*: C⁸H¹⁸
•Ethanol: C²H⁶O
*: ?
Gasoline is made up of several dozen different components. Some of which quite harmful. You got ethanols make up correct though
@@jacobkaul5012 - True, true. I should refrase what I said. I believe that's the chemical make-up of "Octane" specifically.
Judging by the comments, now we have a good discussion going on.
I love discussions. as long as people limit the personal attacks and we use viable sources for information. there is so many parts to the ethanol discussion that its hard to keep it all in one place
Tripod could justa little beet o lubricatin'...LoL!
Jack Nobles it’s not the tripod, it’s his grandpa who holds the camera, have some respect please...
I get 30mpg with e85 on the highway in my 1.8t. heated e85 to coolant temps for vaporization. Couldnt make it detonate if i tried. It needs less timing (good thing), i make more power, it still cools the charge.
Once ethanol's heated to 170°f the molecules break their bond from the droplets, those separated molecules are now cold, and they wanna get warm again, so they steal the heat out of the surrounding boost charge.
Ever see an intake mani frost over on a methanol injected big block chevy? Its not because that fuel was that cold, its because that fuel got hot, separated, absorbed more heat, repeat.
Drops of fuel arent exposed to enough air to absorb heat to its full saturation. So you ask how can you get your droplets exposed to more air if your intake temps arent already 180°? You guessed it😘 purposely heat the fuel.
Alcohol will never lose its heat to the air outside of it, it will evaporate instead. The molecules on the edge of the droplet will keep absorbing heat until they have enough heat-energy to break their bond from the droplet, which results in a cooling effect. Now the droplet and the molecule that just left are now cold and exposed to more air to absorb heat from. This hapoens repeatedly, until all the droplets become completely separated into their own individual heat hungry molecules that cant divide any further.
The charge might be ice cold at that point but it is far more explosive and energy dense, than cold drops of fuel injected that only absorb small amounts of heat from the surrounding air.
All in all, youll likely never get to the point where your e85 has been so saturated with heat that it cant absorb any more. This is why small framed turbo cars running way out of their efficiency range can make so much power on e85, its because e85 thrives in that boost heat.
Only vapors are explosive. Liquid fuels are not explosive, hence why we waste 90% of our fuel out the tail pipe. A fully vaporized mixture is extremely explosive. Even if its vaporization didnt cool the charge, youd still be making more power, and mbt could be closer to tdc which is ideal since you want the whole explosion to happen after tdc.
My personal experience is that heating e85 doesnt lower its motor octane rating, it just makes it more useable. Ive logged my knock sensors and they werent ever over 12volts. The one thing most important about heating e85 is heat/ ethanol percentage control, and dyno tuning for specific heat ranges and ethanol percentages. I havent done either which i guess is the reason my rod piston broke in half from high cylinder pressure. That night it broke i reduced timing 3° because it was losing power in higher gears when building boost as if i was far beyond mbt. With my ko4 hybrid, tube mani and 2.5" dp i was spinning all 4 in my heavy ass b6. The car went fucking ham.
Im building a 12:1 compression forged bottom end and going back for more after some dyno tuning lmao.
Its the same exact reason that when you pour boiling water onto a frozen cold ground it will freeze faster than the colder temperature water would. The water evaporates, is exposed to more air faster, condenses back quickly and falls back to the ground and freezes. Adding heat-energy to a fluid just speeds up the process of the end result. The evaporated fluid is exposed to more of the air where it quickly gets to its ultimate reaction, which depending on the fluid, atmosphere pressure, and air temp will be to condense or evaporate.
Ethanols evaporation temperature may be 170° at atmospheric pressure but under boost it has to overcome that pressure, therefore itll need more heat to break from its bond. Since it will steal heat and not just conform with the temperature of the surrounding air, it can get its extra heat it needs to evaporate even if the surrounding air temperature is colder than itself
I use E73 on my local "E85" pump i wonder if it would be at the same level of cleanness as actual E85
This was pump e85. Probably not even e73
You need to put a drop of ethenol on tripod
A new gas station called racetrac came up and offers E20 it doesn’t have an octane rating on it and research is difficult to find it but I find it to be equivalent to premium. However my 07 Lexus IS350 likes it actually. Even my 04 Dodge Ram likes it. Mpg is the same and no noises.
Sounds like you've found a new fuel. I'd say it's either 89 or 90 octane. Ethanol itself is over 105.
Jacob Kaul previously the station was serving E15 for a few months but the price wasn’t beneficial to me and it actually stated it was 88octane on the pump. But the E20 just says for flex vehicles only message that’s. So yes guessing around 90. Closest E30-E85 station is over an hour and half away.
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What do you have your camera attached to ?? I can't get in to the test your doing because your tripod is so annoying. so which is better in a car and which is better in small 4 stroke engine aka 4 cycle?
I have a square body Chevy c10 that has been LQ4 swapped mostly stock that I want to be able to run E 85. How much bigger injectors do I need to use and will E85 damage my Walbro 255 fuel pump ? I have already installed high pressure teflon lines fuel hose.
Contact me at "Midwest Ethanol Outpost" on Facebook. I'd love to chat about it there
gen iv 6.0L ls engines use 50LB injectors. Should be compatible with your rails but you'll need to make user your pcm has the flex fuel settings, you'd need a sensor for the ethonol and might even need upgraded rails. Not really sure what else since you're not in a full stock config.
what movie/ I can't understand what you saying ???
"Pump the movie"
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Nice vid man great 👍 info
OK we know that ethanol burns cleaner open flame gasoline will leave a lot of soot .. Burning in an open glass does not prove anything to do with an Internal combustion engine ..
And what would change? If ethanol already burns cleaner under atmospheric pressure of that room, why would it all of a sudden be filthy under the pressure of a cylinder? And vise versa, how would sooty, carbon-y gasoline all of a sudden burn cleanly without black soot in a cylinder?
Your test is not very scientific. You only found out what would happen with the amount of oxygen that is available in the manner in which you are burning it. The results would be completely different if you provided the amount of oxygen that was needed by each different type of fuel.