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- We got our hands on synthetic gasoline made out of nothing but water and air. Is this "eFuel" stuff legit, and will it make its way into your gas tank one day?
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If this can keep internal combustion engines still running and we can viably make it in enough quantities to keep up to world demand, I'm all for this!
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U need Porsche factory in middle of end of the world.
Huh.
Weird
I'm in to keep internal combustion cars
This channel has fallen so far.
Not likely due to the inherent losses, thermodynamics 101, any transformation of energy incur losses. It makes little sense to turn electricity in to gas.
but all ground transportations (cars, trucks, trains) can be electrified through batteries or overhead-wires/rails/wireless beaming. This technology is perfect for airplanes and car enthusiasts, maybe ships too
The goal is not keep up the world demand the goal is to stop the impact of the industry on the nature and methanol is just toxic is just different type just look at the dragsters
The process of MTG produce a lot of toxic waste too
Hydrogen is the only viable way
40$ in such a small scale of production seems promising ngl.
Yeah! Just print a bunch of factories along the coast or wherever it is needed and we're good to go
@@arthur9511 How much electricity can you provide those factories? This isn't a solution, it's a problem. The energy infrastructure isn't able to sustain your idea, and when we upgrade the electricity net and production it becomes a net loss to convert that back into a hydrocarbon.
The only place this will take hold, most likely, is for racing. So we can keep our combustion engines there.. heck even today's F1 sound terrible compared to the 1989-1994 3.5l N/A engines.. that Ferrari V12 makes the best sounds ever produced by a combustion engine.
Preserving this should be our focus, instead of trying to 'fight windmills' like a Don Quixote
I'm sure they'll keep it affordable knowing Porsche....
@@MarvinWestmaas Meh, depends on what energy is used and how we get it. This is a good solution if we get clean energy and is money worth spending to research,
Better than sucking up all the oil we can get and fkn the environment as much as we can...
@@MarvinWestmaas We never fully implemented nuclear energy, it is still the future. We are constantly finding new ways to extract energy, if it still is radioactive, there is energy to be harnessed. Once we build more of them like we were supposed to, then we can stop pussyfooting around with solar and wind. Hydroelectric dams are the only "renewable" that has and will continue to handle the tests of time.
Step 1 - Build nuclear power plant
Step 2 - Build eFuel plant right next to it
Step 3 - Infinite, cheap eFuel
If i win the powerball i would make it happen. And i would sue the EPA for overreach, because cars running on my fuel wouldn't actually be polluting. They would have to change their wording.
I would also sue california for banning cars that run on my fuel
See the Kirk Sorenson, thorium videos.
Also, use natural gas to make ammonia (fertilizer), CO2 is a byproduct of that.
better idea, build an electric car, and put a breeder reactor in it, infinite electricity
@@infinitehexington
Very funny.
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South Africa made its own gasoline for decades from coal (Sasol).
This EV stuff is stupid.
I wish Porshe well, but the manufacturing of gasoline has already been mastered and proven by Sasol. Maybe Porsche wants to appease the global-warming tree-huggers with "carbon neutrality". That's stupid too.
Love seeing my natal country, and city Punta Arenas being part of such an important step into efuels thanks to HIF, my dad works for Linde, the company which is delivering carbon to this factory. Lot of times he has travelled along the truck to make the delivery so I'm very proud. Love your videos Donut, very well edited to see the wonderfull landscapes this zone has.
Linde gas is a dutch company it used to be called hoekloos very very famous for its innovations in welding gasses and more
Chile will keep classic petrol cars alive, when they use your e-fuel. I thank your country greatly for keeping classic cars on the road in an era where EVs become commonplace. :)
Zach Jobe is taking Donut back to Science Garage level content, and I'm all for it.
This is one of the first ones in a while that really appealed to me.
@@timbutler6447 what happened to Science Garage ,I really enjoyed it
Agreed, once they got past the kindergarten-geared perspective associated with this topic and likewise forced onto a populace that believes whatever 'authority' tells them.
Oil is not made from "dead dinosaurs". It's not even a so-called "fossil fuel". This myth is based on theory that has since been disproven over and over by actual scientists. Oil is abiotic and is produced by the earth, much like how your body produces blood; it will never run out. In fact, the supply is greater now more than ever but has been limited by governing and lobbying interests. Also, if "carbon" is the supposed problem then electric is far worse, as most electricity in the world is produced by coal. The debate is pollutants, not carbon dioxide. CO2 is actually ideal for the atmosphere... Photosynthesis.
With that said, I fully support alternative fuel sources and this video was pretty cool.
@@BackyardPodcasts investors bought donut and axed it
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This seems like Donuts first real car journalism (in the traditional since) episode. I'd love to see them delve more into this kind of content.
Unfortunately he said crude oil "it's made out of old dead dinosaurs" and that's incorrect it's old dead trees and plants. before we had organisms on the earth that evolved that were later able to decompose an eat that stuff, it just sat there, layers on layers of each other in the earths crust, over millions of years it wast transformed into what it is now via pressure and time. crude oil is concentrated sunlight energy over millions of years of decomposition, and not decomposed dinosaurs, but yes dinosaurs were around at the time.
Agreed...more of this and less of "Which celebrity has the coolest cars?" segments. That's how they started and it should be a return to their roots imo.
First in a long time, for sure.
Yea I don't usually watch Donuts videos because I think their stereotypical car "bros" but this one was good
If that's journalism, then it's bad journalism.
This whole segment gives me hope for the future. Thank you guys so much for touching on this topic
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This might be really good in Norway in the summer as we have surplus energy from hydropower we could use to create fuel which then becomes a really good "battery" for the winter.
Nuclear is by far the most energy dense source of power and has a small footprint, it works 24/7/365/not weather dependant, it's zero emission and it's virtually inexhaustible.
@@thekinarboWind and solar are cheaper than nuclear, and the factory or at least hydrolyser can be stopped when there is lack of electricity.
In Finland this spring the cheapest electricity price was -0,04€/kWh, so user was paid. They are going to build much more wind power, so there will be nearly zero price times in future also. We already had to lower the nuclear power because of too much wind and hydropower.
Methanol can be used on fuel cell also. Better efficiency than in ICE. (SOFC = solid oxide fuel cell can use about any hydrocarbon or alcohol, carbon monoxide, hydrogen etc. )
Those factories should be close to cities, befause of they generate heat that can be used in the city. The local energy factory is building a very large heat energy storage. They heat the water in summer with heat pumps and waste heat for Winter.
Stupid that in Finland the Nuclear plants are in middle of nowhere. They dump the waste heat to the sea.
@@jounisaari9471
It takes about 2,000 wind turbines to produce the same amount of electricity as 1 nuclear plant, and on a much smaller land footprint. Do you really want to see wind turbines dotted all over the landscape? The Kennedy family are huge climate change nuts yet they nixed plans to build a wind turbine farm near their mansion in Massachusetts. I don't blame them, wind turbines are an eye sore and they kill endangered birds of prey.
Chemical energy storage is great. The energy in fossil fuel has been a stored for scores of millions of years. Try storing electricity in a battery for that long.
@@jounisaari9471Wrong.
This is honestly amazing. I see a big future for this kind of fuels in F1 first. They want a eco-friendly sport, so this kind of fuels would be a good choice.
Wrc already uses Synthetic fuels. I'm skeptical, about E Fuels being viable in passenger cars. But I really have my hopes up, that we can keep watching loud race cars.
Oil comes from algae. They are 50 % oil by weight. The Dino might is just a mith. We can breed oil LOL
F1 is already using it!
Especially with it's high price tag and relatively low production volume
The sport itself wouldn't be eco friendly... The emissions are the exact same as if the car was running on normal gasoline. The only difference is how the gasoline is made...
This was a fun video to watch this morning. Fresh, good info, and when the boys are traveling, you can never go wrong
Not to mention this video will be the go to video for information on the efuel.
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The scenery when you were talking about the estimated volume they would have was beautiful. The snow topped mountains in the background had me glued.
4:48 You could filter the emissions from Biogasplants for the C02 / C0
Donut is filling the TopGear gap that we have all been craving. Well done team, keep up the good work. The topics and video quality are just getting better and better. An old school TopGear-esque $10k car road trip challenge has to be in your future.
Way to go Donut!! for selling your souls to the WEF lie for dirty money. I see your shadow banning comments from those you don't agree with. You have lost all credibility with this video and have shown yourselves for what you really are, money shills. Hows it feel, can you feel the loss. Did you even notice when you crossed the line?
Here was my original post.
All of you need to go back to school and learn basic carbon 101. What do plants use to make oxygen????? Yep you guessed it, carbon dioxide. And the more you make, the greener the planet gets. This whole "going green" is a massive scam. Do you know how much power it takes to make Hydrogen fuel??? I'll give you a hint, A LOT!!! So not only are they using a boat load of Electricity to make Hydrogen, their also using a boat load of Electricity to make that hydrogen into gas. And don't even get me started on the whole "oil came from dinosaurs" B.S. This has been proven false for many many years. It literally takes one search of "what do plants need to create Oxygen" and it is the very first thing that comes up. Wake up people, they are lying to you and this video is complete journalistic garbage. Do you know what happens when you pull all the Carbon Dioxide out of the air??? Yep you guessed it, plants die off. And what do YOU AND ALL LIVING CREATURES ON THIS EARTH need to live??? Yep you guessed it PLANTS!!! So less plants means less food and less people. THIS is the reason this scam is being pushed on us. They want less people.
Lookup Overdrive (name Driven before), they really are a TopGear clone (on a small TH-cam channel budget). Stupid modifications, buying 3 cars with a low budget, etc.
THAT would be soo awesome!!
CarTrek is awesome and thats exactly what they do!
Check out Roadkill. Cheap cars get thrashed on then bombed across the US.
Porsche truly has a passion for engineering and cars
Yes and a passion for internal combustion engines, leave it to porsche to save our Gas guzlers
Also a true passion for profits.
Is it not obvious by now? Its fawking Porsche for goodness sake
@@MrKingkiller they still sell EVs though, everybody is. The only ICE cars left in the future will be priced high because companies know will pay for it
@@Bobspineable EVs are a joke there isnt even proper infrastructure for most power grids to handle charging them its not cheaper to charge them anymore more expensive now and charging times vary depending on how many cars are there so if its full youre charging rate will go up by hours
Thanks for also pointing out other factors, such as the energy used to produce efuels and transportation.
Incredible work there… these guys have to be successful!! ❤️
You know how many viable alternative fuels/alternative fuel engines that have been suppressed/shelved? I've lost count.
Im from Chile and like Ive said in another video, is fun to see this stuff in YT channels like Donut Media instead on local tv channels. Ive saw you IG photos and Im glad to see you've enjoyed our country like the landscape and people. Hope you had a good time here and cant wait to see you again over here
Un abrazo del mejor pais de Chile, hermano!
PS: Also you piblished this video of your adventures in Chile in the same day Ive arrived to the US to start my own adventures
Repent to Jesus Christ “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.”
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I haven't been to Chile since 2000, to visit my grandfather, but I really enjoyed it. I especially enjoyed exploring the jungles. Unbelievably beautiful country. I hear the skiing is world class too, but I didn't get to ski while I was visiting.
@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist3 no
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If we are from God are we Gods?
Jesus is from God and according to your belief he is one so according to the verse you are citing we are all just as Gods as Jesus.
I've been fascinated about this topic for a long time. Audi has had its own eco-oil programme that they abbandoned like 5 years ago for sake of electrification, since then I was dreaming of this concept of eco-oil whenever I had an dispute with my friends regarding electric cars. It seems that Porshe took over their work. I'm so excited to know that this programme is still alive. You have brighten my day. Thank you donut for spreading evangelion!
Aren't Porsche and Audi both part of Volkswagen AG?
@@MishraArtificer yes they are
Wait, spreading Evangelion??
. . Ok actually, I'm down for that as well haha. Let's just hope human instrumentality goes over a little better this time around?
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All of them are discreetly sabotaged by some people for reasons. Even this fuel could be a lot cheaper if it was methanol instead of synthetic gasoline (which would require changes in the engine to use) and used other sources of energy (such as solar heat) and chemical processes (such as avoiding the use of electricity or use organic waste as part of its raw materials).
I'm so happy this is a thing bro, I love the thrill of the acceleration in ev's but the scream just adds so much to the experience
The fact that you cut this beautiful rainbow shot at 10:17 out so quickly is utrageous
$40 a gallon is expensive but I’m sure once everyone starts making this it’ll get cheaper
I'm sure it will be much more cheaper in the future. Especially since you can build these factories pretty much anywhere.
an artical i read said that it could be as cheap as 1.17€ once mass produced
@@samuelherbert3530I find that hard to believe, personally. Carbon capture and electrolysis are very energy intensive, as are the synthetic processes involved afterwards. These studies must be assuming that all the electricity is essentially free.
YES, they will be
You can make efuel at home. Water salt and electricity to rip the water molecules apart and burn the gasses
When you think about it, regular gas isn't much easier to obtain, is just cheaper because we have been doing it for so long we have basically mastered it. It's very possible that, if we invest enough money and efforts to make this whole water gas process more efficient and optimized, this stuff will be viable and pretty competitive with regular gas prices in the next 30-40 years. They're just starting, there's much research to be done and this is very promising. Amazing stuff!
Haliburton will never let that happen
Gasoline only requires a pump to extract, and then a refinement process.
Synthetic requires a bit more energy. But if it's from a renewable source, it doesn't matter as much
@@jonathansmith7306 But the renewable sources are rather energy sparse then dense, so a denser source of energy is required to keep up.
Honestly, a healthy dose of skepticism is in order with this technology. The pivot point for this to be viable is the carbon capture system. In this video, the carbon capture is theoretical, it’s $40 a gallon using carbon that I’m assuming was captured using traditional methods. The efficiency, or inefficiency, of their carbon capture could make it even more expensive. I suppose it could also make it cost efficient if it works, but it’s just not proven yet.
@@jonathansmith7306 Looks like you should do more research about the oil industry, there is much more than a pump required to extract crude oil.
It will be interesting to see the real energy required to do this type of synthetic fuel, I will bet is more but if you can get it from non-dispatchable renewable energy like wind or solar we can get much better efficiency from their generation. As someone mentioned here the key here is the technology for carbon capture.
2:19 spoken like a true American
This is so awesome I hope we really do implement this technology world wide !
the fact that they are already at "only" 40$ a gallon is honestly nothing but amazing. remember they get that stuff from air and water only. if they make these around the world, in more central areas like europe and the US, im sure production can be ramped up rapidly and prices can be cut by a ton to almost regular fuel if not less even.
GO PORSCHE!
Why drop prices. Conventional fuels are going to run out eventually. And once the governments at be of the world catch wind of this with enough push behind it, they will straight ban conventional fuels and this will be all that’s available at the pumps. So that Toyota Prius will be $400+ per fill up. Work from home indeed, because you can’t afford to make it to the office.
to be fair it’s $40/gallon pumped at the factory. with any sort of shipping it’d be a lot more unfortunately. Nonetheless a historic achievement, really hope this works. 😅 i need engines in my life
If they can make hydrocarbons for gasoline, they can make oil and gas too. Suddenly the whole economy could shift from relying on fossils to carbon neutral alternatives that are exactly the same, saving costs on new infrastructure. I think this could become cheaper than how we are living today if all goes well. But that's a big if.
lol $40/gallon from the factory is not even remotely amazing. The technology is cool, but nothing new. This has been around for decades and the reason we don't do it is because it's expensive. I don't even mean monetarily expensive which can be overcome, I mean it's expensive from an energy spent to energy gained stand point. The energy spent to make this fuel would be at least 10 times more efficient if it was simply sent to the grid and used to charge an electric vehicle. So Porsche has just proved to everyone something we already knew. Compared to green electric power, this technology is pointless. The only reason I can see it being of use is if in the far far future, we actually run out of crude oil and need to make some of this stuff for shits and grins to run some ancient ICE fossils from back in the day.
@@nick_1O8 On the plus side you can basically make the fuel anywhere so shipping distances can be shortened by making the fuel in different geographic areas. We don’t get to choose where oil is located in the ground so being able to choose where we make efuel is a positive vs normal petrol.
I would love to see a longer version of this video of the boys just having fun traveling!
We also spent a few days in Brazil while we were in South America. Video coming soon 🇧🇷
Yeah! Send those guys on vacation!
I think something along the old school Top Gear challenges would be great.
Only about pushing the anti-oil agenda NOTHING ELSE! SO UNFORTUNATE!
It’s amazing to see how far donut has came. Like you guys are where ?? Lmaooo that’s hella dope.
Man, nothing hits better than a solo Zach Jobe video in the morning! This man puts out some of the absolute best donut content when he is in front of the camera. Keep up the great work jobey!
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He's been doing since he was over at ECS Tuning. Great job
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Reminder: F1 is mandating 100% renewable fuel starting from 2026, so adoption of this fuel could be accelerated much more than we think.
@@TJ-W They run on E10 fuel
@@TJ-W F1 uses regular fuel with a 10% ethanol content. The same as all gas in the EU.
bio diesel hybrid F1 drivetrains coming soon?
If I'm not mistaken, Caterpillar has started using hydrogen engines in big construction vehicles over EV's. Reason being that EV's don't work well while under load and aren't able to handle extreme weather either
The thing is this fuel is this expensive because we haven't scaled up production. It can be made for pennies per gallon and it will be a waste product not a primary product. We need lftrs... use the waste heat from that to make carbon neutral gasoline and Diesel. And then in cases where batteries don't serve the purpose, we still have liquid fuels
With proper R&D there is no way this isn't an affordable option in the near future. I'd like to try everything in my power to help this development.
It's called physics.
Running an inefficient ICE with an energy inefficient to produce fuel is a recipe for ~~oil company PR~~ something that will never be affordable.
As much as oil companies and car manufacturer wants thermodynamic is a thing that will screw them and the rest of us if we don't kill them first.
Fix carbon capture first
He’s no scientist so try and find if he’s full of bullshit
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He's a big gee-whiz man-child talking.
If you search P1 fuels you will learn that the top tier WRC car run on the same (kind) of fuel. I have read an article from 2018 that their cost for the fuel is 30 to 40 cents per kwh, vs 6 cents for the normal common gasoline (1 liter of gasoline containing approximately 8.9 kwh). Now i can remember if this was € or $ but it is just for comparison now. They also claimed that if they scaled up production and taking production from the North sea to Northern Africa (Mediterranean sea) then this e fuel or synthetic gasoline could be produced at a cost of 10 cents per kwh. This is 66% more than gasoline and thus is very promising. It will depent on governments how much taxes they going to charge to make it compatible with the common gasoline.
Imagine this being your first donut video you come across.... So much quality content to go catch up on, I'm jealous
Sarcasm?
This was terrible and I suspect was a paid promotion
You're in for a great time...I recommend watching some 'Up To Speed' episodes first, after that I'm certain you'll become a subscriber! They're awesome over there at Donut Media!
Oil comes from algae. They are 50 % oil by weight. The Dino might is just a mith. We can breed oil LOL
@@reubenhandel210 Paid promotion? I'm being legit! Up to speed, all seasons of high and low, science garage with freaking Bert!! Hours of great stuff
@@ThePwak007 It kind of does seem like a paid ad. I would not be surprised
More stuff like this! This is the kind of thing Donut has the resources for that I don't, or can't justify.
All of you need to go back to school and learn basic carbon 101. What do plants use to make oxygen????? Yep you guessed it, carbon dioxide. And the more you make, the greener the planet gets. This whole "going green" is a massive scam. Do you know how much power it takes to make Hydrogen fuel??? I'll give you a hint, A LOT!!! So not only are they using a boat load of Electricity to make Hydrogen, their also using a boat load of Electricity to make that hydrogen into gas. And don't even get me started on the whole "oil came from dinosaurs" B.S. This has been proven false for many many years. It literally takes one search of "what do plants need to create Oxygen" and it is the very first thing that comes up. Wake up people, they are lying to you and this video is complete journalistic garbage. Do you know what happens when you pull all the Carbon Dioxide out of the air??? Yep you guessed it, plants die off. And what do YOU AND ALL LIVING CREATURES ON THIS EARTH need to live??? Yep you guessed it PLANTS!!! So less plants means less food and less people. THIS is the reason this scam is being pushed on us. They want less people.
$40 a gallon with the minimal production currently sounds promising. I imagine if it goes full scale, it would definitely be under $2
Think of the current price of ethanol vs gasoline.
Except that a study came to the conclusion that it will probably be somewhere around 12 dollars per gallon.
@@holycaketree pretty good if you wanna keep old classics running, you wouldn't do more than a couple thousand miles a year on those
Great episode with no agenda. Just the cold hard facts. Gave the downsides and the upsides. Admitted the costliness of it but as with all things more production with improve efficiency and lower costs.
I am really happy that Porsche is putting this much effort, not only for making them more money ( by u know selling manual 911 and stuff ) , but maybe also...thinking about us
I am in awe that Zach got an oppurtunity to go to the factory in Chile itself where the new ( literally) liquid gold is made...
You guys are really big now...in just 5-6 years you guys from okay no. of subs to an insane level and get oppurtunities like this...Really proud!!
WAIT. This is modern alchemy. Turning water into gasoline.
Donut has become hard to watch without a lobotomy.
@@jackpowell8155 You donut make any sense.
This is actually insane. With it not being tied to ports or major refinery zones for raw crude to arrive. Theoretically they could have refineries anywhere, and more importantly near major cities. Which they can take in the massive amounts of CO^2 being produced in major cities but also cut down on the economic and environmental cost of transporting fuel to these cities. This is insane.
i think the best place to put these synthetic oil refineries is right up next to the original oil refineries and what co2 output the natural oil factory should directly go to that capture machine and they would produce both oils at the same time, they could use the same logistics to both fuels and reduce the shit out of their carbon outputs...
This could be historic.
Should combine the efuel with plant derived ethanol to cut cost and increase octane
"Everytime you smash the gas button, you don't have to feel bad.. " Cries in Asthma
At 40$ a gallon, this TOTALLY has a use right now. That shit's a drop in the bucket for motor sports teams, and they are CONSTANTLY being hounded for their emissions. If you mandate E-Fuel being the gas of choice for motorsport, not ONLY are you preserving the legacy in a carbon-neutral way, you're boosting the need to cheapen it by finding an existing market.
Formula 1 is supposed to run 100% on E-Fuels by 2026. Right move in my oppinion.
theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
depends on the octane and if it can be mixed with lead
@@koiyujo1543 gas is already $8.50 here....
It's $40 a gallon with C02 coming from less than green sources, no word on the price tag with actual C02 capture from the air.
whoever edited this, great job, one of the most engaging edits on the channel
Agreed! Much love to the editors and the team behind the camera.
This kinda reminds me of a bill nye episode lol
that is so true !!
I always thought about twin charging with a traditional turbo, and electric turbo. Would be for a mostly racing application, like drag racing.
Have the electric turbo turn on when you hit a button and turn off once it reaches a certain rpm/boost from the traditional turbo.
That way you can hit a boost/launch button for launching for the elcteic turbo to spool before actually hitting the gas pedal. After the electeic turbo battery dies, you can either swap batteries (like dewalt drill battery) or let the alternator recarge the electric turbo slowly.
Love your videos, can't believe that you were here in Chile and i didn´t knew. Best video yet.
Thanks so much for a video on this - I've been super curious to see it actually in action and it looks extremely promising.
EV's have their place - but at least on the surface this seems like this makes more sense.
If you don't consider the efficiency of it, it does.
At this moment it's a sixth to an eight the efficiency of just using the electricity to power a car.
This is super cool tech to keep classic cars around for occasional use.
EV’s are the way to solve the climate crisis and get air pollution out of cities - which claims many lives and is a burden on the health care system.
@@coleeto2 except for all the issues brought up by Evs. Mining batteries, making sure the electricity grid could support everyone driving Evs (which jt is no where near supporting), poor/rural areas that won't be able to utilize Evs effectively
Apart from the cost and the fact that we need it first for planes and ships and in super high quantities
@@coleeto2 I mean.. You could also just put more greeny stuff in cities.. especially on all those roofs etc. There is so much space for that. It wouldn't just help the bad air polution in cities, but also cities overheating, because concrete etc. are saving the heat of the sun. And I'm not talking only about trees.. even grass and smaller plants would be enough.
But ofc, only one thing isn't the problem solver for everything. A good mix of everything would help way more.
I hope you guys cover Toyota's Hydrogen engine. It's also internal combustion engine but instead of using gasoline it uses H2 gas as fuel. Its exhaust product is literally water vapour.
My favourite part about this whole project is that to promote it, they revived two AE86s and put two carbon neutral engines in them (BEV and H2). The best part about the AE86 H2 is that it used the exact same 4AGE engine but fed it H2 instead of gasoline.
honestly I would buy this hachiroku in a heartbeat if that was a real thing...
Hydrogen fuel cells and an electric motor are more efficient so idk what toyota is doing with a hydrogen engine
@@tonnynguyen390 it's an internal combustion engine. They're making it to keep the car culture alive.
Also, if what they say is true, you can use any internal combustion engines with H2 with the only changes are fuel line and fuel injection, like how they did with the AE86 H2.
So while H2 fuel cells and electric motors are more efficient, Toyota is reusing engines that are already exist.
@@hikkamorii me too. Sadly, it's just a concept car. :'(
Its exhaust product is NOT water vapour as air is mostly NITROGEN - nitrogen compound production (which produces smog and acid rain) is WORSE than any other type of combustion engine
(edit, gotta love the morons who cant read and dont know the air that you mix with the hydrogen to burn it is 70% nitrogen)
If the two molecules are identical how are they producing different byproducts? Considering this fact, I don't think the combustion rate would be identical either. I'd love to see more Science & Technical information on this new fuel!😅
Collision theory.
"made out of nothing but water and air" Those are the two most important things we need!
7:50 using solar and wind to manufacture fuel (added cost) and then introduce additives to prevent engine deposits (added cost), transport the fuel in tankers (added cost) to gas stations where workers sell you the fuel (added cost).
When solid state graphene batteries are the norm, is never going to be able to complete with just plugging your car into your garage overnight and charging for 13 cents per kw, or better yet installing your own solar panels and driving for free
Synthetic gasoline!? I’m excited for this technology to progress.
Edit: these replies are proof people will argue with a fence post.
😂😂 even then you will still pay multiple times more than with comperable evs
@@KeVIn-pm7pu bruh evs dont have a chance at being the future and wont have a chance in the near future
@@KeVIn-pm7pu Not throwing shade but you know Cobalt mining is also a big problem to the environment, but noone really thinks about the Lithium batteries we use day to day, things like Phones, Airbags, Paint, Batteries all use cobalt illegally mined from the Congo.
@@KeVIn-pm7pu I think this might be the future. Gasoline car will be considered as like a “hobby” where people will only use it rarely to have fun. It’s great to have options tho. me personally I’m okay with driving an EV for daily commute and then having lots of fun on the weekend with an ICE
@@KeVIn-pm7pu not if we consider the cost of power is going up substantially. Where I am, my electrical bill went from $120 a month to $350 a month, and I don’t even have an electric car. Even if it were cheaper, the current battery technology we possess is…limited. Batteries, like pretty much everything, lose their life over time. When I was curious about a battery pack, I simply could not justify forking out $27,000 before shipping and labor to keep your car moving for another 6 years. Motors are cheaper, transmissions are cheaper. The technology just…works. It can help a much broader audience (specifically the first time car shoppers) to get a vehicle that doesn’t hurt the environment as we change the fuel that can run in a beaten up Civic or something along those lines.
Might be worth using for small engines or working in remote areas.
How much electricity is being used to produce the fuel
if it's just normal fuel it'll still cause co2 emmisons, so is it capturing equal more or at least most of the carbon it'll emmit by vehicles.
This is an absolutely stunning video. The cuts. The transitions. The information. The colors. The sounds. So pleasing to watch and learn. Donut… you are the greatest TH-cam channel out there in the car world.
Collab with mark rober👀
Oil comes from algae. They are 50 % oil by weight. The Dino might is just a mith. We can breed oil LOL
It’s not that deep
This is absolutely insane. I can't wait to see how well this technology goes for the future.
Donut has become hard to watch without a lobotomy.
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It won't unless the profit is better than the oil $ now.
1 Country: BRAZIL ecoflex
@@JiggyGnorrus which is impossible due to thermodynamics, unless global governments want to hand out even more grants and subsidies than they already do for the fossil fuel industry... It's actually impressive how energy inefficient this entire process is.
It all sounds good tell you say wind power thy take more oil to produce than thy offset in their functional life
There are a few other carbon capture methods that may be more efficient than direct air capture devices (the big issue is just getting enough air through whatever you build) so other options might be more viable and might slightly change output. Depending on the process, it may be easier to tune parameters beyond just octane such as lubricity and density (which could increase engine longevity or eek out another few miles per tank)
Donut is slowly turning into a modern more “YouTubie” top gear, and I’m here for it! Love what you do!
@@cowmath77 “slowly”
topgear fucking sucks. donut is so much better.
No it’s not. This is a Paid Ad with no scientific evidence
@@SrLyons not even close
@@shadowkillz9606 How so? They literally do the same concept as Top Gear just significantly cheaper.
0:42 Jesus with his flock
I had been waiting for a good synthetic fuel as it will be sad if we can't use the beauty of vintage cars .
They proved that it’s possible and therefore we should just let them continue cooking the planet without pricing externalities.
I’m more and more impressed by Donut. This is a worthy topic that needs a light shed on it. As a car enthusiast, I hope this fuel evolves one day into a common product. Particularly because I don’t have much enthusiasm for EVs.
There is a reason why Volkswagen, who owns Porsche & Lamborghini, is developing this, their legacy products. This will probably never be available at scale; if you have to ask about the price, you probably can not afford it. I am working on a related project, whose profitability is dependent on being able to sell the end product to those who own legacy enthusiast vehicles, but whose real goal is to clean up polluted water; the viability and profitability of the fuel is dependent on a market that does not care about price.
don't worry as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
Voikwagen doesn't need the green washing. Let's just say that the CO2 they are using isn't exactly created in the greenest manner, and efficient "direct capture" is still a ways off.
I think the best long term implication of this is, if anything, a fun toy to have to run internal combustion engines if/when we go mostly electric
then we can tell tesla drives it to shove it up their arse, cosidering their car production is just as bad and worse when it comes to co2 emissions
This is honestly amazing.
I think this is a proof that we could have a future where all EV's Hydrogen and combustion engine cars co-exist.
They all have their applications, so no point in having just one
This isn't what you think it is. It's still gasoline, meaning it still releases fuck-tons of global warming causing carbon when burnt/used. This isn't a solution it's a shitty petro-chemical industry funded stopgap.
There's one problem with hydrogen-powered cars.
Remember the Hindenburg?
I hope you do, since hydrogen is explosive.
you can’t be serious
@@literal_f22 You know what is also explosive? Gasoline and lithium based batteries.
@@literal_f22 wait till you find out about gasoline
Thank you so much for this very important and well informed/informing video. While I consider myself a car enthusiast as which I don't hate any technology making a car drive, the climate crisis is an actual problem to be taken seriously and emissions from ICE cars are in fact contributing to our world problem. In my eyes the switch to electric is inevitable and needed sooner than later. Also in my opionion resources should be spent on making EVs the go-to-decision, the no-brainer, instead of manufacturing new ICE models. It just makes sense for everyone, love it or hate it. That being said, I fully embrace the developement of e-fuels to keep existing cars running, on the one hand as a transition for big industries or the indiviual not just quite ready for the switch, and on the other hand to keep the hobby of driving great cars that are just fun. And all of that without actually doing harm to anyone. Should it be more expensive than the fuel prices we're used to: consider this being a hobby and you're not using that much gasoline in a year! And in case it gets cheaper over time, even if not as cheap as we're used to now: heck, whatever! Make EV's the no-brainer and use ICE's whenever you're down for an experience.
With enough voltage, water is explosive and produces much more energy than the amount needed to cause it to explode. Instead of using electrosis to separate the hydrogen and oxygen molecules newtonian electrodynamics causes the split to happen instantaneously. Resulting in a renewable energy source with no emissions.
I'm surprised they gave you the budget to travel for this. I hope it keeps happening.
Porsche are eager to promote this idea. Every single person they can convince to buy ICEs and their expensive fuel is worth the spending in marketing money.
as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
@@koiyujo1543 As someone who studies technology you will probaply also be aware that the 5 - 7$ per gallon mark is not reachable within this century. If it is even reachable at all, remember that even Porsche doesn't go that low with their lowest estimate.
By the time E-Fuels are a valid alternative for the everyday consumer every car on the road must be electric anyway if we want any chance at slowing or stopping climate change.
@@ddeedje4093 yes it is bruh
@@everythingpony So you are saying that the people that have the most incentive to make E-Fuel look good give an inflated lowest price?
You could essentially make this small scale at the gas stations themselves in the future
the problem is that the factory which capture the CO is not in the town where most people breathe
why that capture is not made in the catalyst of the car?!? so when you drive exhaust clear air and capture the CO in a different reservoir which will have to empty at the gas station :D
This is awesome. I still love having my EV but glad porche is doing this!!!
They will never go commercial with that it is just non sense. Geting enought CO2 from the atmosphere is not a viable solution. CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is 442 ppm. You process 1,000,000 cu ft of atmospheric air to get 442 cubic feet of O2. Liquids are about 1000 time more concentrated than gas so it will produce about 0.44 cu ft of fuel or about 3.3 galons. Just imagine how manuy plants will be needed to produce 369,000,000 daily. That is for the US only. Dream on it. Economics is the drive in big changes. There is no econo,mics in E Fuel.
Loved this video! This is actually technology the US Navy has been looking into for quite a while as well, except they'd be using the nuclear power plants on their aircraft carriers to generate the electricity and they want to use seawater and carbon capture to make jet fuel for the aircraft. Can't wait to see where else you guys go!
Yeah Navy got it right, they've already proven the technology at a price point of $6-8 USD a gallon and now are working to scale it up to commercial levels. The reason we don't hear about it is that the Navy is positioning it to replace having to escort tanker ships around not provide commercial fuel. Buuut we know what happens with military tech after the military gets done with it, like that's how the Internet started.
It’s great to see that some tries to innovate instead of make things illegal or tax us to death.
They will do anyway
this will be the future people. They will find cheaper ways and perfect it in the future. Ev extraction is horrible and always falls on deaf ears.
Necessity breeds innovation. And this is certainly a necessity!
We've gotta do something, and things like this are fantastic but not proven. We need to make more green energy to make enough to get even close to being effective. In the meantime, we have to hedge our bets that we won't do those things fast enough. We can do both. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
@@dellefranz this climate cult rabbit hole is not necessity its BS for people unfamiliar with physics and chemistry
We still have hope 🙂🙂 thanks to these guys
The only issue I’d see is can they make other products that are made from crude oil? Like other fuels like diesel, or plastics
Awesome! Never knew this was a thing until now. I know of a few places making ethanol (e85) fuel from Industrial Hemp crops. The plant soaks 30 lbs of co2 out of the air per acre during a season and then the plants harvested and turned into cellulosic ethanol, much the same as maze, wheat and barley crop ethanol which burns 3 times cleaner than petrol but also comes from a carbon negative source instead of being mined.
E85 is amazing, it has an octane rating of 105, however the 2 biggest problems with e85, is its low energy density, and it’s also hydrophilic.
Man, once the logistics get solved (same way the industry had to solve it when gasoline first became available), it will be a real game changer for the car industry. Make it happen guys!!
Yes, logistics... We're aiming to make green electricity our main source of energy and you think we can afford to pour 8 times more into creating these e-fuels instead of just getting that electricity directly into a battery? EVs are constantly improving at incredible rates. Once the only pro of an ICE is refuelling faster on long trips, who on his damn mind will still buy them? The only question here is if the west will get its act together and start really pushing towards the EV revolution or if we'll just all stay impassive waiting for the Chinese to utterly demolish our car industry... They'll pump EV's like chocolate bars, at affordable prices and in great quantities. Hell, even the Koreans are doing it right now even though they're not as cheap as one would want them.
@@AI-qd4vb The amount of pollution to get lithium, mixed with the fact a lot of places barely have the electrical system to support themselves normally, never mind when everybody is relying on charging their electric cars, (Ex. California), and the fact that we supposedly don’t have enough lithium to supply the whole world with electric cars is bad enough, never mind the fact that there are millions upon millions of ICE cars and trucks that won’t be off of the road anytime soon, and with car guys some may never be off the road, synthetic fuel seems like a better option if they can manufacture and sell it in higher quantities and faster
@@AI-qd4vb The fact that it’s much harder to work on electric vehicles and parts and batteries are insanely expensive also doesn’t help
@@firedemon2166 Thank God real people still exist and not AI generated NPC who think we can run the world on unicorn farts and a dream. People have no idea how dependent we are on fossil fuels. Like everything and I mean everything we touch is derived from "dead dino's". Even the goddamn EV's a primarily made of plastics and where the hell do people think plastic comes from? A tree? The plastic tree?!
The wealthy can bare go carbon net zero, yet they think it's feasible for the rest of the world?!? LOL.
@@AI-qd4vb another huge issue with EVs is battery life, lithium batteries are only good for about 10 or so years before they can't hold a charge anymore and need replaced. Meanwhile ICEs with proper maintenance can last for decades. My project car is 42 years old, and when I bought it it had been sitting for 5 years. Put a little gas in and she started right up
I was wondering how Porsche is doing with its eFuel initiative, should've searched on YT sooner 😅
This is exactly the content I was looking for! So great! And fun! 😀🙌
Now they’ll just say we are not replenishing co2 enough and we will freeze over.
Thank you Porsche for putting in the hard work! Looking forward to this!
Thank you Donut for going deep on this one.
$40 per gallon might sound crazy today, but in +20 years (which is how long it would take for this tech/production to go mainstream, if it ever does) it's not a lot at this rate.
don't worry it already has as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down and their already expanding that
It still emits carbon, especially in the City. When most cars will drive electric cities wont accept dirty gas guzzler anymore. Also the energy is far better invested in other things than efuels.
@@koiyujo1543 I simply don't believe that synthetic gas can be made for $5 per gallon. Do you have source?
@@romansenger2322 i drive a classic and am thus except from every form of emission regulations for some reason so i can still enter the city centre
Before the 20 years have passed we all will have free energy. Most labor done by robots increasing the world economy many times what it is today. No one will be using ICE cars after 2030. They will be too exoensive to maintain and operate.after 2028.
I can only think that this will be for a specialty market in the future. The energy costs for the creation of this fuel don't justify the output that you can achieve with it, at least not with today's and the foreseeable future's technology. By the looks of it, you could use the same amount of energy and get a lot more hydrogen or just electricity than you'll ever get from the gas that you are producing so it's really not a great energy source on its own, but for those who want to maintain an IC engine, it will be something that they will really love.
Maybe this could theoretically keep Jets in the air too.
I enjoy companies looking into alternative solutions rather than diving fully into EVs and ignoring all the drawbacks and limitations.
Despide you never being able to drive on sythetic. Neither will the majority. This will be a toy for the rich.
@KeV In Until a cheaper, more efficient method in producing it gets finalized, of course.
Telephones were once toys for the rich as well, now even toddlers get access to them.
@@KeVIn-pm7pu if there is enough interest and effort put it, I’m sure the price would come down significantly. Maybe not $2/gal but with modern hybrids we could maybe get to a place that affordable for an everyday consumer
@@micahv9365 Precisely, whoever's dissing the idea of synthetic fuel is obviously close-minded
@@KeVIn-pm7pu thats how new technology are
It start as expensive af then it will become more and more cheaper
Aw yeah keep this kind of content coming, Learning about these kinds of breakthroughs through your channel is the most entertaining way to consume this kind of content
At what octane? And oxygen rate?
I can tell he doesn’t get out of the country often. Visiting other countries is always an ecstatic experience and Zach is loving it!
Who the hell travels internationally "often" lol... it's kind of an occasional thing, if not, never done by most people.
It's easy for Europeans to do since it's just a train ride over
@@fishkluch Cross the border for cheaper gas and booze every week
@@CadgerChristmasLightShow People who live in first world countries and are somewhat financially stable but aren't North American
It’s America, it’s expensive to travel outside of the state, in Europe where some countries are smaller than some us states it’s considered normal, but it’s the only place where that’s even a thought as a normal.
I really hope this eFuel catches on and gets even more developed. A genius idea to say at least
“Green” hydrogen is too expensive for them to make. They will just use methane to get hydrogen, releasing huge amounts of carbon dioxide in the process. Because it’s way cheaper. Or instead of using 6 times the energy to get fuel, just switch to electric.
@@Dupont550 Only when it will become mandatory. Otherwise, NO WAY!
@@Dupont550 They won't. The moment we are able to switch to eFuel we probably have enough green energy and hydrogen to put into it. Ofcourse it will still be more expensive because of loses but in a carbon neutral future this stuff is great. There is many types of hobbies and entertainment which we "waste" money and energy for.
@@Dupont550 the DRC says please choose sth else
From an economic perspective, it‘s actually the dumpest idea possible. By the time efuels could get affordable enough, almost nobody will own an internal combustion engine car anymore
It still emits c02 when combusted though right?
this is awesome if it works - which it looks like it does
Im glad to see that Porsche is working hard for us to keep going!
Donut has become hard to watch without a lobotomy.
@@jackpowell8155 maybe it's hard to watch cause you had a lobotomy, clearly. Keep Yourself Safe.
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Vee Dubbz bro.
First heard about these eFuel developments 2-3 years ago and I’m glad they’re finally coming to fruition. I’ve got a 1957 Thunderbird I plan to drive until the day I die, and synthetic fuel is what’ll hopefully achieve that.
That sounds wonderful. If this stuff hits the market, be careful to make sure that it is compatible with older fuel lines. It may sound like an odd concern, but I once saw a video where they attempted to put modern fuel in an antique car that was the fastest in the world at the start of the 20th century and they found that not only did it not run as well on modern fuel, but the ethanol content was damaging to the fuel lines. No idea if that same logic would hold true with this stuff, but it's just something to watch out for to keep your bird flying. 👍
@@kayEnt3rtainm3nt Sounds like something that is relatively easily fixable/avoidable if you know someone who knows their ways around these classic cars.
@@kayEnt3rtainm3nt Ethenol is the main concern and moreso for those with rubber fuel lines and not metal. If anything I may need to do an annual carb cleaning but I only run premium in her. Plus, 93 octane has much less ethanol in it as opposed to the cheap 87 I feed my ‘05 Corolla.
@@tuckersbaby There's actually just as much ethanol in 93 as 87. Ethanol actually has an Octane rating of 100. Unless you buy pure gas it's going to have it, but it's only real drawbacks are a lot of the older carburated cars and that it breaks down much more quickly than non-ethanol gas.
It’s all cool till people realise water is also a finite resource
EFuel is useful not only in cars but also in airplanes and ships. The only shortcuts are frice and production amount.
For perspective this e-fuel costs 9,56€ per litre. Our diesel costs 2,2€ and gasoline 1,9€ per litre. The difference between petro products and e-fuel is that e-fuel production is microscopic compared to oil industry which is global multitrillion industry. Once you put all the trillions in e-fuel the price will be under 1€ per litre because you cant even tax it for environmental reasons. Also cars don't need to have catalyctic converters so they will be cheaper. They don't need to be so fuel effecient either for environmental reasons, so again they can be much simpler and cheaper to made. And profit margin is propably better because smaller infrastructure needed for this new fuel economy. Once they put all the trillions and trillions of dollars and other currencies into this tech that was before going into oil wars and infrastructure this e-fuel will be way under 1$ per gallon easily. You dont need all the mining stuff and war machines to support your oil economy so the profit margin is also better.
Gasoline engines doesn't run of liquid fuel, it runs on fuel vapor that is poorly vaporised even in modern engines. In matter of fact it is rather fuel mist than vapor that the injectors feed to engine. Thats why you get smoke in the exhaust. With poper vaporisation the exhaust gasses aren't visible. With proper vaporisation fuel economy will increase 30-60% depending on the engine size and date. Tomorrow we COULD build engines that uses better fuel vaporisation with e-fuel technology. We would get better mileage with plus minus emissions.
I remember seeing a video of this a while ago. The biggest hurdle of this process is getting plants constructed and system implemented. The initial cost would be huge for the companies, and you know they would pass the cost off to consumers plus high profit margins.
One of the best donut videos. Thank you for all the work you put into this!
2 things
1. the dinosaur myth is from an oil company mascot- marine life = oil long before dino.
2. e fuel might solve the electric plane issue.
I'm guessing that they will put the air capture device in the middle of huge cities to fully makes it eco friendly. I'm very excited to see this innovation to go through. ICE for the win!
Well it would certainly make it more commercially viable to capture co2 and sell it
It might not be an economical or practical long-term solution, even for cities that can afford the upkeep.
@Andrew Duong how? Itd be most effective in areas with high CO2 pollution (in cities) and so itll be easier and cheaper to capture CO2 there and then shipped to plants. Or even have a plant near the city like Pasadena or Freeport in Texas.
It does not really matter. one gust of wind and the co2 is pread out. There's pretty much as much co2 in everywhere in the world. Placement of these facilities does not make a difference to their efficensy. Could even be counterproductive, if their filters should be changed more frequently due other particles.
@@andrewduong2740 As a society you save future money as well, as you pull co2 out of the air you will also inherently pull particles out as well, making the air quality better. Air quality better= lower healthcare costs, on a broad scale.
further proof Porsche is the goat
Didn't hear about the price?
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 cheaper than changing the entire motor industry with electric cars
If you have an infinite wallet yes
Ok boomer
not really because then we would have to keep normal gas cars because it is not putting off enough carbon dioxide. We would be fighting the trees for gas
So basically fusion reactor makes car fuel instead of dinosaurs
The only reason to do this is energy density. H2 is already very expensive to produce green and fuel cells are far more efficient than this process. The only place this makes sense is in operations requiring light weight and long up time operations such as aviation and maritime. An arguement for mining could be made but it will never be cheap enough without goverment subsidies or a HUGE leap in technology.
7:29 nice FS pop-shove attempt try to keep you shoulders parallel to skateboard and just jump backwards
9:12 local green fuel ships brown when distributed far away: I'm a big fan of wind-powered sail-boats for green-shipping and efuel tankers.. with modern weather maps and motorized sail-hoists could be great to de-carbonize shipping.
Car emissions actually lead to the creation of MORE ozone, not less. Though this ozone ends up in the troposphere instead of the ozone layer, where it acts as a pollutant instead of a layer of protection.