I agree with Mr. Hill, I don't have enough years left in my life to finish that boat and still be able to enjoy it. In my younger days I might have taken a shot at it but not at this point. Keep the good stuff coming Captain.
One of my lasting memories and feeling of achievement was finding a 27’ boat in similar condition, back in the 70’s. Fresh out of college, no real career goals in mind, I decided I wanted to sail the oceans. Lacking funds and seafaring knowledge, getting out to sea under sail was going to be problematic until I saw a small newspaper ad in the Asbury Park Press for a partially rebuilt sloop with an old Universal Atomic 4 engine, $750 for the boat, new sails, and all the fittings sitting in a shed. The owner had retired and was rebuilding his retirement dream when he died of a heart attack. The widow was selling for the cost of the new sails and anchor line. I spent two years learning seamanship (USCGA) and putting things back together. Learned to sail of Sandy Hook. Took five friends down the Jersey coast one week, got as far as Cape May. On the way back off Barnegat Bay, we were sailing about 4 miles out and noticed a small outboard off to the east and dimly hearing the sound of a Freon air horn.Thanks to the USCGA course, I recognized the distress signal and changed course to find two frantically waving fishermen in a boat that never should have left the bay. Their small outboard motor had died and they had been drifting eastward all day. That old Atomic 4 enabled us to taw him back to port. In thanks, they gave us their whole catch of bluefish and we had quite a fish fry that night.
Great story. I am starting to go into sailing right now, being 48 and learning the rules. I heard many stories of people who died before getting their boats ready, thats why I decided not to wait any longer. One will never have everything in place and ready, there will always be projects to finish but the time is now.
WOW, I love this episode. I just bought a 1968 Cutter rigged Hughes 38 2.5 months ago. Moving on to her next week. $17,000Can. Needs a little more than spit and polish but I feel way better about her now. Has a Cape Horn Vane, Auto Pilot, Radar, Furling Headsail. I love everything about the boat. Changes coming, some slight interior changes, Electric 48VDC saildrive propulsion, Lithium, watermaker. Am up on Vancouver Island. Story is 1st owner had her commissioned her for the Vic-Maui
Definitely has a lot of potential but that word potential comes with the price of hard work. Were I younger man I'd think long and hard about this one. If it could be had for the right price it could be a winner... Thanks Captain and Randay, you always show us the best...
I love S and S boats they are fast and the lines are magnificent, this boat is perfect for a young couple who have the skills to finish it. Not good for a retirees because you will die before its finished.
Come for the seafaring wit and wisdom of Captain Q & Randay, but stay for the fabulous jazz during their musical segues. (I would love to see their iTunes playlist.)
Yes, what Dan and Kika have done with Uma is amazing when you consider it, their "Hefty Susan" idea was genius! Can see it making its way into a lot of boats.
I've just purchased a Westerly 22 (1963) With 2009 8hp Tohatsu outbourd motor. £800 with winter storage included in a secure boatyard. I'm happy enough. Small boat small problems. Also i would only buy a complete yacht myself.
The lazy susan looks similar to what Uma did with their Pearson, infact this whole boat reminds me of theirs - alot of work to do on it but if done would be a nice boat. That said I'm not technically sure that she'd definitely float and not leak at the moment :-)! Would need alot of time money and effort spent on her though.
I have a 1968 Hughes 38. I like some of the revisions that have been started on. Just became severely handicapped in the last year so I am trying to figure out how to build a sugar scoop for dinghy access. She is cutter rigged with an atomic 4 engine. Going to change it to electric propulsion (48 vdc) sail drive. She came with a autopilot like Q mentioned and a Cape Horn windvane. Also going to put a large hard dodger rigged for a handicap to single hand
Love this channel, Captain, RanDay, Sea Dog, and Sea Squirt! Don't love this boat. While the price is a starting point, the Captain has profiled boats that need some work that represent a much h better value and may be better suited for off shore sailing. I hope the owner would consider selling this for a dollar to a young adventurer that has the skills,time and needed financial resources to get this in the water. Look at Sailing Magic Carpet Channel, they paid $10k for their Cape George 36 that is truly an off shore hull they need similar amount of work. They have the time and skills. I look forward to these videos every week. Unfortunately, for me would be a total non starter.
Nailed it Captain Q. A backyard beginner project boat. Saw this at a boat show in Montreal back in the day and for it's time, it was probably one of the more reasonably priced boats. O'day's were just coming out and I think that's when designs started modernizing. Not really a world cruiser but a great price for weekends at the marina . A classic for sure.
Well, you know there a lot of people who think that you shouldn't go to sea in anything with a lesser pedigree than S&S. My father eventually had three S&S designs and one Frers. When some ingenue would buy a Peterson, Holland or Chance he would chortle with disapproval and casually go out to start another race with 65mph gusts coming over the deck.
My tactic on asking prices is to offer 2/3 of asking, and be prepared to walk Before you get to the dock gate you’ll get a counter offer Id offer $8,000 depending on what comes with it, however that might be too high when you do the math to get another complete boat
Capt Q and Ran Day. Good work for learning about sailboats the easy way. From my arm chair. And I wonder what is regular TV is playing. Not this good stuff. lol
I am a big fan of Capt. Q, his videos and of course Randay. This time, however, I totally disagree with the rating and the amount of time and money that would be required to get the boat to float, let alone resurrected into a restored S&S beauty. Specifically, until the motor is re-installed and the prop shaft properly mounted and sealed the boat would not float. We also don't know the conditions of all the equipment that is off the boat in storage. This boat has good bones, but should be free. I would also mention that even after a lot of time and money is spent, you will have a very old design boat. Pretty, but with some real space and convenience short-comings.
Best thing about this boat is S&S design, very cramped for a 38', sign of the times I suppose, my Stadt 34' has significantly more interior living space and storage, pretty lines though
@@kevio6868 I wondered about the cost of shifting it? But on the other hand I just watched a video on the Oyster 595 that costs 2.5 million pounds.......Not even lottery money pays for that.
Captain or Randay, is there a triangular filler for the gap in the V-berth? It doesn't look like there are the lower peripheral strips of wood around the gap to support one, but even if there isn't, it looks like it would fairly easy thing to construct (and for someone with minimal construction talent, like me) and that would create a large single berth. If you could get it for $9-10K, it definitely would be a worthwhile project boat.
This whole sailboat thing often seems like a paradox... if you're young enough to have the time and ambition to work on a project like this, you definitely won't have 12,500$ worth of pocket change to spend. I could pick this boat up tomorrow for free and I still wouldn't have the financial leverage to get it anywhere near seaworthy.
I am on a 22ft mk1 Pandora on the river Seiont leading to the Menai straights. It was £650 with a Tohatsu 4hp outboard and inflatable tender. I pay £15 per week for a trot mooring. £127 insurance. Once I move it to my yacht club the mooring fee will go down to £5 a week. That applies to a maximum boat length of 30 feet also. You can sail very cheaply if you want here in the UK👍
@@ciaranbyrne62 Sailing does have a bad reputation for being a 'rich mans sport' but nice to see there are work-arounds for thrifty sailors..I have a free mooring. I did have to buy the, chain, swivel, & ground-tackle and assemble it, but it sit's there free of charge I only have to pay to haul and launch the 29' boat annually which is the biggest expense. No engine's, just row or swim out to it.
It's a good looking boat with classic lines that has the potential to be a great sailboat for someone who has a lot of free time or $$$, or maybe both, but that is not me. I'm amazed at how much room there is in modern boats compared to a sailboat of this vintage. If this was a new 38' sailboat, of almost any major brand, there would definitely be either a single queen size aft berth or two double berths and there would probably be a second head/shower, which is due to the significant increase in the beam of modern boats (all the way to the stern) along with changes in hull architecture and more efficient use of space, but....you'd have to pay probably 10-20 times the price of this boat for a 5-10 year old 38' used boat. I have to say that I laughed when there was a pause followed by a chuckle from the captain after Randay mentioned how long the shaft from the engine stuck out the back of the boat. I was thinking...wait for it, there has to be a follow up! 😂
Explain where Norstar fits in? You mentioned it really briefly. I've heard this name before, they made the hull only for Flicka20 as a kit, before Pacific Seacraft started making the complete finished boat.
They changed the names to Northstar. I know they made 30 & 38 footers. I almost bought a 30 and recently purchased a 38. Not sure of when the name changed to Northstar but believe it was in early 70's
On these project boats the captain never mentions whether the mast and boom are included or even available. Does the owner have all of the rigging stays or sails and are they included in the price. If I am not mistaken Lady K is also a Hughes in which case it would make a good example for reference.
Easy pass. She needs lots of ❤️ Lots of unknowns ... lucky to get it taken off the property for free imo. its amazing the prices you see people put on big lawn ornaments. But the Capt once agin produces a great video. CHeers
This boat has the potential to be a real beauty. But what would it be worth? 20K fully done....maybe? If I were a finish carpenter with a shop full of teak sitting around, I might be interested, but not at anything close to the asking.
Appreciate the lines and design pedigree, but this is an example of what I've come to call a "negative value" boat. Even if you do most of the work yourself, the cost of materials and hardware will add up to more than you could ever sell the boat for.
SV Wildcard, previously owned by Fatty Goodlander of Cruising World fame was a Hughes 38 and has circumnavigated twice, surviving many storms along the way.
there is 4k hours left of 'work' to do here - sure, the guy did 2k hours of work pulling everything out and glass on the decks etc.... but that's a LOT of work left for someone else's dream (of this particular boat) to come true.
@@IanB22 I agree but also there were many projects started and not finished. I’m wondering about the glass work he did do? I think he’ll be lucky if someone takes it off his hands.
I agree with Mr. Hill, I don't have enough years left in my life to finish that boat and still be able to enjoy it. In my younger days I might have taken a shot at it but not at this point. Keep the good stuff coming Captain.
One of my lasting memories and feeling of achievement was finding a 27’ boat in similar condition, back in the 70’s. Fresh out of college, no real career goals in mind, I decided I wanted to sail the oceans. Lacking funds and seafaring knowledge, getting out to sea under sail was going to be problematic until I saw a small newspaper ad in the Asbury Park Press for a partially rebuilt sloop with an old Universal Atomic 4 engine, $750 for the boat, new sails, and all the fittings sitting in a shed. The owner had retired and was rebuilding his retirement dream when he died of a heart attack. The widow was selling for the cost of the new sails and anchor line. I spent two years learning seamanship (USCGA) and putting things back together. Learned to sail of Sandy Hook. Took five friends down the Jersey coast one week, got as far as Cape May. On the way back off Barnegat Bay, we were sailing about 4 miles out and noticed a small outboard off to the east and dimly hearing the sound of a Freon air horn.Thanks to the USCGA course, I recognized the distress signal and changed course to find two frantically waving fishermen in a boat that never should have left the bay. Their small outboard motor had died and they had been drifting eastward all day. That old Atomic 4 enabled us to taw him back to port. In thanks, they gave us their whole catch of bluefish and we had quite a fish fry that night.
Great story. I am starting to go into sailing right now, being 48 and learning the rules. I heard many stories of people who died before getting their boats ready, thats why I decided not to wait any longer. One will never have everything in place and ready, there will always be projects to finish but the time is now.
Mark Twain once said..
“ The most expensive boat I ever bought was the cheapest boat I ever bought”…
WOW, I love this episode. I just bought a 1968 Cutter rigged Hughes 38 2.5 months ago. Moving on to her next week. $17,000Can. Needs a little more than spit and polish but I feel way better about her now. Has a Cape Horn Vane, Auto Pilot, Radar, Furling Headsail. I love everything about the boat. Changes coming, some slight interior changes, Electric 48VDC saildrive propulsion, Lithium, watermaker. Am up on Vancouver Island. Story is 1st owner had her commissioned her for the Vic-Maui
Definitely has a lot of potential but that word potential comes with the price of hard work. Were I younger man I'd think long and hard about this one. If it could be had for the right price it could be a winner...
Thanks Captain and Randay, you always show us the best...
I love S and S boats they are fast and the lines are magnificent, this boat is perfect for a young couple who have the skills to finish it. Not good for a retirees because you will die before its finished.
All right , you talked me out of it. thanks
Come for the seafaring wit and wisdom of Captain Q & Randay, but stay for the fabulous jazz during their musical segues. (I would love to see their iTunes playlist.)
Looks like he's taken some inspiration from Sailing Uma, with that galley lazy susan and chart table setup.
My first thought as well
Yes, what Dan and Kika have done with Uma is amazing when you consider it, their "Hefty Susan" idea was genius! Can see it making its way into a lot of boats.
Nav station looked abit tight per headroom comfort
Must have been a sneak peak of the captains grand kids, that's very nice 👌
I've just purchased a Westerly 22 (1963) With 2009 8hp Tohatsu outbourd motor. £800 with winter storage included in a secure boatyard. I'm happy enough. Small boat small problems. Also i would only buy a complete yacht myself.
The lazy susan looks similar to what Uma did with their Pearson, infact this whole boat reminds me of theirs - alot of work to do on it but if done would be a nice boat. That said I'm not technically sure that she'd definitely float and not leak at the moment :-)! Would need alot of time money and effort spent on her though.
I'm sure this boat is the perfect fit for someone, just not me.
While very much not the boat for me I can see that, for the right person, this could be an amazing buy.... Thanks for sharing it with us.
I have a 1968 Hughes 38. I like some of the revisions that have been started on. Just became severely handicapped in the last year so I am trying to figure out how to build a sugar scoop for dinghy access. She is cutter rigged with an atomic 4 engine. Going to change it to electric propulsion (48 vdc) sail drive. She came with a autopilot like Q mentioned and a Cape Horn windvane. Also going to put a large hard dodger rigged for a handicap to single hand
Ty captain Q I’m loving the different boats
Love this channel, Captain, RanDay, Sea Dog, and Sea Squirt! Don't love this boat. While the price is a starting point, the Captain has profiled boats that need some work that represent a much h better value and may be better suited for off shore sailing. I hope the owner would consider selling this for a dollar to a young adventurer that has the skills,time and needed financial resources to get this in the water. Look at Sailing Magic Carpet Channel, they paid $10k for their Cape George 36 that is truly an off shore hull they need similar amount of work. They have the time and skills. I look forward to these videos every week. Unfortunately, for me would be a total non starter.
Well viva le capitan....you and randy knocked it out of the park again, I do love Thursdays...
My father had one from 1968 to 1971. Good sailing boat, but those deck coring issues are real.
run forest...run
I really like were he was go with this boat, he in proved her a lot. I hope she finds someone that loves her as much ❤️.
Very wary of this.
Unfortunate when people start things they cannot finish.
Never keen to fix up other people's stuff
Good luck who ever takes this on
All things from the 60's are cool, this S&S is no exception, but it will take a lot of work to make her groovy baby..but what a lovely yacht
This is the only review you've done that I won't be dreaming of tonight. Needs a young couple to do a vlog of getting it fitted out.
Very true. So hope you can get some sleep tonight :-)
@@YachtHunters this is not to say that you and Randaaay did not show her well. A little makeup and wardrobe and she will turn heads again.
Not all of these boats fit everyone’s dreams lol
That Boat is going to be wonderfully done, would love to see it completed!
Technically speaking if she were dropped in the water right now, I don’t think she’d float.
Nailed it Captain Q. A backyard beginner project boat. Saw this at a boat show in Montreal back in the day and for it's time, it was probably one of the more reasonably priced boats. O'day's were just coming out and I think that's when designs started modernizing. Not really a world cruiser but a great price for weekends at the marina . A classic for sure.
really?
Well, you know there a lot of people who think that you shouldn't go to sea in anything with a lesser pedigree than S&S. My father eventually had three S&S designs and one Frers. When some ingenue would buy a Peterson, Holland or Chance he would chortle with disapproval and casually go out to start another race with 65mph gusts coming over the deck.
@@BrianNavalinsky
cool
My tactic on asking prices is to offer 2/3 of asking, and be prepared to walk Before you get to the dock gate you’ll get a counter offer Id offer $8,000 depending on what comes with it, however that might be too high when you do the math to get another complete boat
Your knowledge always astounds me Capt.!
Capt Q and Ran Day. Good work for learning about sailboats the easy way. From my arm chair. And I wonder what is regular TV is playing. Not this good stuff. lol
Thanks for posting and sharing. I hope it finds a good home!
12 k ? Lots of boats ready to sail out there for that. Thanks captain Q for your optimize option
Perfect boat to do an electric conversion and the tiller needs to be changed. The price is about $12,500 too high.
I am a big fan of Capt. Q, his videos and of course Randay. This time, however, I totally disagree with the rating and the amount of time and money that would be required to get the boat to float, let alone resurrected into a restored S&S beauty. Specifically, until the motor is re-installed and the prop shaft properly mounted and sealed the boat would not float. We also don't know the conditions of all the equipment that is off the boat in storage. This boat has good bones, but should be free. I would also mention that even after a lot of time and money is spent, you will have a very old design boat. Pretty, but with some real space and convenience short-comings.
You guys are the best! Thanks for all you do
Oh my! What a ballache this would be . . .
Great boat, get some help and build it out!
Best thing about this boat is S&S design, very cramped for a 38', sign of the times I suppose, my Stadt 34' has significantly more interior living space and storage, pretty lines though
Lot of rejection on this one so far from Capt. Q fans. It would be a work in progress.....for some time I think?
Good honest review as always
it would cost $2k to have it hauled off unfortunately. This one should be a freebie or donated. If the engine turns that's worth something tho
@@kevio6868 I wondered about the cost of shifting it? But on the other hand I just watched a video on the Oyster 595 that costs 2.5 million pounds.......Not even lottery money pays for that.
Captain or Randay, is there a triangular filler for the gap in the V-berth? It doesn't look like there are the lower peripheral strips of wood around the gap to support one, but even if there isn't, it looks like it would fairly easy thing to construct (and for someone with minimal construction talent, like me) and that would create a large single berth. If you could get it for $9-10K, it definitely would be a worthwhile project boat.
This whole sailboat thing often seems like a paradox... if you're young enough to have the time and ambition to work on a project like this, you definitely won't have 12,500$ worth of pocket change to spend. I could pick this boat up tomorrow for free and I still wouldn't have the financial leverage to get it anywhere near seaworthy.
I am on a 22ft mk1 Pandora on the river Seiont leading to the Menai straights. It was £650 with a Tohatsu 4hp outboard and inflatable tender. I pay £15 per week for a trot mooring. £127 insurance. Once I move it to my yacht club the mooring fee will go down to £5 a week. That applies to a maximum boat length of 30 feet also. You can sail very cheaply if you want here in the UK👍
Comment on life in general I think. You either have money or time...
@@ciaranbyrne62 Sailing does have a bad reputation for being a 'rich mans sport' but nice to see there are work-arounds for thrifty sailors..I have a free mooring. I did have to buy the, chain, swivel, & ground-tackle and assemble it, but it sit's there free of charge I only have to pay to haul and launch the 29' boat annually which is the biggest expense. No engine's, just row or swim out to it.
It's a good looking boat with classic lines that has the potential to be a great sailboat for someone who has a lot of free time or $$$, or maybe both, but that is not me. I'm amazed at how much room there is in modern boats compared to a sailboat of this vintage. If this was a new 38' sailboat, of almost any major brand, there would definitely be either a single queen size aft berth or two double berths and there would probably be a second head/shower, which is due to the significant increase in the beam of modern boats (all the way to the stern) along with changes in hull architecture and more efficient use of space, but....you'd have to pay probably 10-20 times the price of this boat for a 5-10 year old 38' used boat.
I have to say that I laughed when there was a pause followed by a chuckle from the captain after Randay mentioned how long the shaft from the engine stuck out the back of the boat. I was thinking...wait for it, there has to be a follow up! 😂
Oh Captain, my Captain!
For a sailboat from the 60's which all have to be done maximum 5k on the generous side.
Another great video guys. You mentioned a synthetic teak deck. Which episode was that? Keep up the good work!
Explain where Norstar fits in? You mentioned it really briefly. I've heard this name before, they made the hull only for Flicka20 as a kit, before Pacific Seacraft started making the complete finished boat.
They changed the names to Northstar. I know they made 30 & 38 footers. I almost bought a 30 and recently purchased a 38. Not sure of when the name changed to Northstar but believe it was in early 70's
On these project boats the captain never mentions whether the mast and boom are included or even available. Does the owner have all of the rigging stays or sails and are they included in the price. If I am not mistaken Lady K is also a Hughes in which case it would make a good example for reference.
Yes, but I think a Columbia 35. Newer name for same company
Contact owner info using “show more” button under episode description
I love this boat !! 😍❤🥰
Cheers
Forget being #1 or #2, let's go sailing and break out a 5th when we come dockside!!
great for a movie prop
Always a scream🤣love watching!Arg,mates⛵⛵⚓
Does Ran-Day really have two port feet, or are his shoes lying to us? 😲
Easy pass. She needs lots of ❤️ Lots of unknowns ... lucky to get it taken off the property for free imo. its amazing the prices you see people put on big lawn ornaments. But the Capt once agin produces a great video. CHeers
Exactly. It would be the contrary of the saying: go simply, go small go now style.
yes...its a heap likely with swollen core unfortunately
19:34 Seadog wags his tail and later gets dognapped. 21:39
This boat has the potential to be a real beauty. But what would it be worth? 20K fully done....maybe?
If I were a finish carpenter with a shop full of teak sitting around, I might be interested, but not at anything close to the asking.
fair assesment
Engine in bilge? No way. Bumping my head midship? No way.
Still hoping for a pilot house with a sundeck. Sorry hard pass on this one. If you need a project.....maybe.
Sailed a Hinckley 38
👍 boat
There a hugues 40 complete for sale in my area for same price
Every pot has a lid , they just have to find each other...
the more boats i look at the more im looking at 1990s boats better layouts,
Where is this boat?
If I was atheist 10 years younger....oh, yeah. I'd be calling and hauling! For sure!!
Not atheist! If I was at lest 10 years younger!
Note: Heading topside isn't heading north.
19th 😂
2nd
I see a lot of uncertainty in these lines, more so than any other sailboat you guys have ever showcased.
yes
can you even give it a 10 for starters?
👍👍👍 😬, Randy 😝
Appreciate the lines and design pedigree, but this is an example of what I've come to call a "negative value" boat. Even if you do most of the work yourself, the cost of materials and hardware will add up to more than you could ever sell the boat for.
Sea dog…. Run for your life!
👏👏👏👍
SV Wildcard, previously owned by Fatty Goodlander of Cruising World fame was a Hughes 38 and has circumnavigated twice, surviving many storms along the way.
Thanks for this tidbit.
It’s never going to move out of that yard. Hard pass on this one.
there is 4k hours left of 'work' to do here - sure, the guy did 2k hours of work pulling everything out and glass on the decks etc.... but that's a LOT of work left for someone else's dream (of this particular boat) to come true.
@@IanB22 I agree but also there were many projects started and not finished. I’m wondering about the glass work he did do? I think he’ll be lucky if someone takes it off his hands.
@@paulfata7581
for a fee
Definitely a heap of work to be done, also a lot of coin to outlay..think I'd walk away and look for something more ship shape.
Overcompensating with that prop shaft!
Too small. Massive amount of work still. Another one that is not worth the price. It is nearly a give away.
This one needs help!
Maybe just a little too much imagination required here, Cap.
Nice project, but not for me. I've taken in a reef.
Hard pass. Far too much work needed to get it even close to launching. Love S&S designs, though.
Not worth several years and probably 3 times the asking price in repairs and expenses
Hard pass...its a dock turd
Don't beat around the bush and get off that fence. Tell us what you really think! ;)
@@Mike7O7O
junk
you've been dying to use that knock...but why knock it? It's perfect for someone...