youre gonna need to update those 2 top 5 videos now lmao, honestly the memes about lyons deaths is so funny, i dont think ive seen a unit get this bullied ever
It really is unfortunate that Seiðr gets caught in Duo Lyon's shenanigans despite both Seiðrs being so unique in their application and capabilities-- but as someone else has pointed out down here in the comments, Galeforce teams featuring the two Seiðrs will likely not be impacted by this much as long as they can kill whoever holds Firm Canto Curb, which Galeforce teams have a lot of tools at their disposal nowdays to use. Hit & Run teams will take a big hit though, as Astra Season Seiðr will be unable to participate or aid as well in protecting such strategies, and Duo Seiðr, although universal, very well equipped to fight, flexible and with a better condition, will also get caught in the crossfire. Outside that though, I almost feel bad for people who like Lyon as a character, who have to watch him fall from grace so brutally, even though I do think that Duo Lyon was too much for any sort of content beyond PVE...
With it being C slot, you could now choose whether you want to mitigate precombat damage or the postcombat end turn. But I agree that outright cancelling effects is a terrible way to powercreep something.
@@axemtitaniumFCC also works and has better range + doesn’t get cancelled by Feud and works for allies, so BoL 4 is better on the kit and Firm Canto better as support.
Until there's something for speed based omnitanks like LF. They will all fall off pretty quickly with the amount of skills and weapon effects that cut DR in half. I give her 1 months b4 she falls off. When OG Lucia came out, there wasnt anyway to pierce her DR until Magical and Physical NFU. Which isnt the case now.
11:44 Here's the thing. If you bring the Seidrs into a Galeforce team that can beat the Canto Curb unit, then they can still do their thing to freeze the remaining foes. Canto Curb only affects Seidr's usage in the less aggressive strategies like tanking (where the Seidrs would shut down a line, which is already countered by dancers). The main usage case of Canto Curb in AR-D is stopping hit-and-run strategies that abuse Duo Lyon.
I won't deny that WByleths struggle to kill sometimes compared to when they were initially released, but I wouldn't say they are aging in the curent meta. On the contrary, the new EP tools we got made them one of, if not the, tankiest Far Savior in the game. NCD shouldn't be underestimated, especially when combined with tempo, Scowl, HF, HB, and BoL support. For instance, this past Chaos season and SDR season I've seen them survive XMicaiah, Nergal, DIgrene, FUrsulas, DRobin, and XIvy without problems, which is something I haven't been able to replicate with VMyrrh, no matter how much I try. AAmelia is close though, but NCD will make them still relevant for quite some time IMHO, especially if IS keeps releasing good sweepers like DLyon or the new Nephenee.
Finally, a real counter to Duo Lyon, oh how many summoner duels where lost due to the "turn ends" shenanigans! Also, quality video as always! Informative and well summarized with a good assessment. Makes you one of my favorite FEHtubers!!
actually essence drain doesn't counter Mia since her weapon also counts bonuses on the foe so even if her bonuses get stolen she'll still get the true dmg and dr, so she's better than I initially thought
I'm kind of disappointed with Lucia. Her weapon is the exact same but with DC and a little bit more stats. I think she's gonna fall off pretty quickly. She really wanted some flat DR in her weapon.
I didn't think this day would come, after so much suffering from Duo Lyon in Summoner Duels and Aether Raids. I've hated this unit's turn-ending shenanigans since he came out...and yet I know feel pity for how dead he is now.
Do you run Laguz Friend on a unit that can never trigger a non-Galeforce special? Honestly don't know what that interaction is going to be, and don't want to spend a Laguz Friend to find out.
Summer rhea can consistently kill emblem Ike though with hardy bearing she also supports her allies her refine was good why is everyone saying it was wack?
As for seidr it sucks that she got caught in the crossfire but she and Lyon made the game much less fun, damn near unplayable and completely insufferable especially in certain game modes (SD)
Besides if you can kill the canto curb unit you can still use them it’s not an extreme complete counter you just can’t abuse it so hard also this skill is just before cyl so most people aren’t gonna have it
@@2dbuteamdankisland516 id argue you cant abuse seiðrs turn stop effect (unlike lyon) due to positioning and anticipating the enemies move. summoner duels is a very small aspect of the game. To make such a drastic decision on that alone is foolish on I.S.
Another reminder to NEVER summon on day 1 unless they're your absolute favorites or you don't care about meta. Pretty good banner, but I'm probably skipping it because cyl is near and usually a game changer.
Laguz friend 4 is not as good as Bulwark 4 for Lucia. 20% true damage DR is almost the same as 20% DR ( if 50% DR piecing is always the case). LF 4 other effects is useless on Lucia whereas Bulwark 4 means no AOE unless you can move pass Lucia.
It won't trigger, but the secondary effect of boosting damage still works, as that part's only condition ia for the special to be ready (or have been triggered), so she can still use it. Same with Vital Astra and Gust, both having effects Lucia can use despite not triggering specials
No, it doesn't work in the way Joel was implying. Gust is the special Lucia will want, alongside LF, as those will give her two unpierceable DR. At least until we get the infantry verison of Clever Fighter.
Honestly, I agree that completely negating effects is not great balance. But imho the end action stuff was such a garbage mechanic that i'm not shedding any tears over it.
I think that Lucia is ok, she is not better than Erica or Caeda, she doesn't gain a lot of stats and doesn't have any flat damage or piercing... So she is cool but not anywhere close to top of tier 1
I think lucia is way too high in the tier list, her gimmick are way too outdated,she only strive during the time where dr shreding wasn't a thing.Nowadays everyone has a built in dr shred and also the clip they are showing,she could barely survive loki who doesn't even have dr shreding.
I think it's quite soon to disregard her. Sure the meta is full of DR pierce, but tanks also got interesting stuff this year. She does require a full new kit, unlike other recent omnitanks (which is why she struggles against MLoki), but Gust + EIke ring + BD4 + LF + BoL4 could potentially make her quite tanky. That's 64% unpierceable DR on ranged hits, 40%DR on melee hits, and something like 11 true DR.
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Ding Dong the witch of Summoner Duels is dead!
🎉 🎶DING DONG THE KING IS DONE THE KING IS DONE THE KING IS DONE DING DONG THE DEMON KING IS DOOOOONE!!!🎶🎉
youre gonna need to update those 2 top 5 videos now lmao, honestly the memes about lyons deaths is so funny, i dont think ive seen a unit get this bullied ever
It really is unfortunate that Seiðr gets caught in Duo Lyon's shenanigans despite both Seiðrs being so unique in their application and capabilities-- but as someone else has pointed out down here in the comments, Galeforce teams featuring the two Seiðrs will likely not be impacted by this much as long as they can kill whoever holds Firm Canto Curb, which Galeforce teams have a lot of tools at their disposal nowdays to use. Hit & Run teams will take a big hit though, as Astra Season Seiðr will be unable to participate or aid as well in protecting such strategies, and Duo Seiðr, although universal, very well equipped to fight, flexible and with a better condition, will also get caught in the crossfire.
Outside that though, I almost feel bad for people who like Lyon as a character, who have to watch him fall from grace so brutally, even though I do think that Duo Lyon was too much for any sort of content beyond PVE...
With it being C slot, you could now choose whether you want to mitigate precombat damage or the postcombat end turn. But I agree that outright cancelling effects is a terrible way to powercreep something.
BoL 4 works as long as someone within 2 spaces has it so you don't have to choose.
It doesn't even something like a Status Check
@@axemtitaniumFCC also works and has better range + doesn’t get cancelled by Feud and works for allies, so BoL 4 is better on the kit and Firm Canto better as support.
Until there's something for speed based omnitanks like LF. They will all fall off pretty quickly with the amount of skills and weapon effects that cut DR in half. I give her 1 months b4 she falls off.
When OG Lucia came out, there wasnt anyway to pierce her DR until Magical and Physical NFU. Which isnt the case now.
11:44 Here's the thing. If you bring the Seidrs into a Galeforce team that can beat the Canto Curb unit, then they can still do their thing to freeze the remaining foes. Canto Curb only affects Seidr's usage in the less aggressive strategies like tanking (where the Seidrs would shut down a line, which is already countered by dancers). The main usage case of Canto Curb in AR-D is stopping hit-and-run strategies that abuse Duo Lyon.
It’s very true, and honestly, Galeforce is probably one of the strongest roles for Seiðr. It does limit her roles more, though.
Who is the blond plush baby behind you on the shelf? It looks so very much like Dimitri…
That is Dimitri! The smol human is in charge of that shelf, so it’ll change out frequently.
I won't deny that WByleths struggle to kill sometimes compared to when they were initially released, but I wouldn't say they are aging in the curent meta. On the contrary, the new EP tools we got made them one of, if not the, tankiest Far Savior in the game. NCD shouldn't be underestimated, especially when combined with tempo, Scowl, HF, HB, and BoL support. For instance, this past Chaos season and SDR season I've seen them survive XMicaiah, Nergal, DIgrene, FUrsulas, DRobin, and XIvy without problems, which is something I haven't been able to replicate with VMyrrh, no matter how much I try. AAmelia is close though, but NCD will make them still relevant for quite some time IMHO, especially if IS keeps releasing good sweepers like DLyon or the new Nephenee.
Finally, a real counter to Duo Lyon, oh how many summoner duels where lost due to the "turn ends" shenanigans!
Also, quality video as always! Informative and well summarized with a good assessment. Makes you one of my favorite FEHtubers!!
I called this about V!Lyon as soon as I saw the Hero Fest
Struggle to figure out what the purpose of the unit is? Brother, Nephenee was made to break Oblivion’s bank.
🤣🤣🤣
Truth
actually essence drain doesn't counter Mia since her weapon also counts bonuses on the foe so even if her bonuses get stolen she'll still get the true dmg and dr, so she's better than I initially thought
Yep
“They Murdered Lyon”
The Murderer:
Festival Lucia 😏🤣
That lucia art (thumbnail) 😮
I'm kind of disappointed with Lucia. Her weapon is the exact same but with DC and a little bit more stats. I think she's gonna fall off pretty quickly. She really wanted some flat DR in her weapon.
I wish Mia granted Iote shield to ally fliers. Without she just feels like a strong flier. Nice but not a must have.
Me haveing both seidr as cores at +10 (q.q)
I'm not pulling but only the first circle 😁.
Smart. CYL is just around the corner!
I didn't think this day would come, after so much suffering from Duo Lyon in Summoner Duels and Aether Raids. I've hated this unit's turn-ending shenanigans since he came out...and yet I know feel pity for how dead he is now.
With CYL coming, hopefully not many people will have Lucia.
Summer Byleth can now kill E!Ike with her refine and resonance 4
All my homies love power creep bait banners before CYL.
Do you run Laguz Friend on a unit that can never trigger a non-Galeforce special? Honestly don't know what that interaction is going to be, and don't want to spend a Laguz Friend to find out.
A premium unit that has no A skill in 2024. What in the bloody hell?
It's 6 Bonus for 30 and 18
Fehology should top 10 units introduce this year video before bst bump
Oh god watching an ad and anticipating the vid to see if Lucia neutralizes pre combat dmg Edit: OH MY GOD
así no ss menciona a Dios
Laguz 4 even with no good specials for her? (Speaking of specials… gust or GLR?
Yeah after the very... odd summer rhea refine and seiðr getting cought in the crossfire at duo leon from firm canto curb im dropping feh
Summer rhea can consistently kill emblem Ike though with hardy bearing she also supports her allies her refine was good why is everyone saying it was wack?
As for seidr it sucks that she got caught in the crossfire but she and Lyon made the game much less fun, damn near unplayable and completely insufferable especially in certain game modes (SD)
Besides if you can kill the canto curb unit you can still use them it’s not an extreme complete counter you just can’t abuse it so hard also this skill is just before cyl so most people aren’t gonna have it
@@2dbuteamdankisland516 id argue you cant abuse seiðrs turn stop effect (unlike lyon) due to positioning and anticipating the enemies move. summoner duels is a very small aspect of the game. To make such a drastic decision on that alone is foolish on I.S.
Another reminder to NEVER summon on day 1 unless they're your absolute favorites or you don't care about meta.
Pretty good banner, but I'm probably skipping it because cyl is near and usually a game changer.
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Laguz friend 4 is not as good as Bulwark 4 for Lucia. 20% true damage DR is almost the same as 20% DR ( if 50% DR piecing is always the case). LF 4 other effects is useless on Lucia whereas Bulwark 4 means no AOE unless you can move pass Lucia.
wait why would you put godlike reflexes and laguz friend 4 on Lucia? does godlike reflexes work on Lucia?
It won't trigger, but the secondary effect of boosting damage still works, as that part's only condition ia for the special to be ready (or have been triggered), so she can still use it.
Same with Vital Astra and Gust, both having effects Lucia can use despite not triggering specials
No, it doesn't work in the way Joel was implying. Gust is the special Lucia will want, alongside LF, as those will give her two unpierceable DR. At least until we get the infantry verison of Clever Fighter.
*Fomortiis already rolling in his grave*
Honestly, I agree that completely negating effects is not great balance. But imho the end action stuff was such a garbage mechanic that i'm not shedding any tears over it.
Seems very much like a banner to skip. Maybe picking up Lucia for her fodder though.
I think that Lucia is ok, she is not better than Erica or Caeda, she doesn't gain a lot of stats and doesn't have any flat damage or piercing... So she is cool but not anywhere close to top of tier 1
Honestly if this kills the end of turn crap I don’t even care that it’s a bad type of powercreep. Lyon turning ending is so awful for the game.
I think lucia is way too high in the tier list, her gimmick are way too outdated,she only strive during the time where dr shreding wasn't a thing.Nowadays everyone has a built in dr shred and also the clip they are showing,she could barely survive loki who doesn't even have dr shreding.
I think it's quite soon to disregard her. Sure the meta is full of DR pierce, but tanks also got interesting stuff this year. She does require a full new kit, unlike other recent omnitanks (which is why she struggles against MLoki), but Gust + EIke ring + BD4 + LF + BoL4 could potentially make her quite tanky. That's 64% unpierceable DR on ranged hits, 40%DR on melee hits, and something like 11 true DR.
I’ve heard some interesting speculation on her being the ultimate Ike counter.
For winter eldegard is ike counter but stopping specials probably why.what run a slot now