Pets Die When Cult Bans Them - Exclusive Brethren, Plymouth Brethren Christian Church, PBCC.
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- The power of cultic indoctrination, by just one man, the leader of the Exclusive Brethren, is displayed in this video through the harrowing story; Pets Die: Cult Says Get Rid.
All pets had to go says John Spinks, who was born into the Exclusive Brethren now called PBCC, the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church. Some were given away, some were sold, some were killed.
What was the cause? The 'Man of God said so. That's all. No further questions. When you are indoctrinated, you don't have the critical thinking to question, you only comply, no matter what, even when you are told to get rid of your pets; immediately.
The 2 questions asked at the end of this video are:
1: How much do you love your pets? What are their names and what animal are they?
2: What would you say to a religious leader who told you that if you follow him, you can’t have a pet?
Read the full story how John Spinks endured his 22 year challenge, the history, the childhood, the separate lifestyle, the laws, rules and fear of the consequences of disobeying the 'Man of God,' his eventual escape and much more, read the whole story in the book Cult Escape:
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Thank you for sharing pictures of your beloved pets! They are members of our families and precious companions. I am so sorry killing pets was part of your cult. I was allowed a pet as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, so was never instructed to kill my dog or gerbils. However, I was prepared to kill my own children while under the influence of the leaders by denying them blood transfusions if ever needed. Thankfully that test never came while I was in that cult, but I had signed their "No Blood" cards and was prepared to deny them life. We are all out now, praise God.
I got my dog Guinness from another JW in my Kingdom Hall while still in the Watchtower. I loved Guinness and would often cry to him about my struggles there. Dogs are great listeners. My unconditional love toward Guinness made me wonder about "Jehovah's" conditional love toward me. How could I love a dog so much and God not love me? The need for God's love is what drew me away from the Watchtower. I am happy now on the outside of religion and in a relationship with Him instead.
My current pet is a dog named Banjo. He is a rescued dog from an abusive home. He has a few issues because of it but I know God brought us together. Banjo loves car rides and kayaks with me! I am so blessed to have this companion! We adopted Banjo exactly one year after Guinnesses death which occurred on our wedding anniversary. So that is a very special day for all of us.
What would I say to a cult leader demanding me to give up my pet? Ha ha. I don't think I'm allowed to spell that in public forums. Sadly, at one time I may have complied for I was under the influence of cult indoctrination. Though your cult and mine made different demands, it's all the same influence of giving our allegiance and will over to a religion rather than our creator. I know my creator delights in me as well as my dog and children (who are adults now with their own dogs). We are all loved. My eyes are open now, I'd give up the cult leader NOT my dog, children, or freedom!
Wow Julie, that's a shocking fact of JW's who allow their loved ones to die rather than disobey a few men who control them!!
What if they said that now? Will all the service dog have to go?
Giood point Jane, when there's man's law, where does it stop?
Animals are Gods creation. . God made them. And we are to care for them
Of animals in heaven and in the new earth, the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion together and a little child shall lead them. Isa 11:6
But in the Exclusive Brethren area of heaven, there will be no pets ;)
John Spinks 😂
I begged for a pet! My school teacher got fed up hearing about it.
I remember hearing adults shocked that anyone could be upset when their pet died. They talked about those grieving people as if they were idiots. Heartless.
There will be all the animals in heaven. 🐶🐱🐭🐹🥐🐠🦑🐙🐢🦗🦋🐛🐞🐴🕸🦞🐬🦧🐫🐪🦏🦒🐘🐬🐟🐴🦄🐤🙊🙉🐦🐤🙉🙈
Animals also go to heaven ?. Well that's great news. I'd thought there was absolutely no hope for me
Taking away pets from children and destroying them was a display of the power of indoctrination that controlled all the members.
Can’t imagine the trauma that many would have endured.
Yesssss, heaven will be full of animals, and forgiven humans who acted like monsters too 😁🙏🏻❤️
The indoctrination I was under in the Exclusive Brethren greatly diminished the empathy I had for loved ones who they excommunicated, never mind pets! I was heartless in those situations, my mind taken over by another.
Once these issues start to get highlighted, many will see the Emporer's new clothes scernarios in the laws that have had them chained for decades and will then be faced with making a decision of being controlled or running for freedom with the years they have left.
@@johnspinks3851 yes , those situation, what can alter personality, can "rub off" on other people that become steeped in it. Hurt people hurt people, John. I feel that depth of love and understanding is perhaps what needed most of all, to help heal it. And so this is why the animal can excel at this task. The have the level of depth of senses required to help deal with it. They'll automatically sense underlying feelings without needing to be told.While human can struggle to ever achieve this. Perhaps you might enjoy to take a look at this following video John. Its discussion about hurt people hurt people th-cam.com/video/oXaUO_pLv6c/w-d-xo.html
It can be dangerous, sometimes, to love other people more than we'd love ourselves John?. I feel that perhaps brethren might struggle with this.And ex brethren as well too sometimes. They'll be drawn to love the wrong people in ways what then prevent them from loving themselves healthily enough. What do you think John
I wonder if religion has helped to extend this problem as well. People know/learn how to love the religious figures, more than they'll know/learn how to love themselves. I feel i can't see that someone like Jesus would have wanted for this to occur. Perhaps this is where certain things might have been manipulated to suit other people's agenda. People who cant love themselves enough, then may fail to know how to love others, authentically or in healthy way. What do you think?
Great video about Hurt People, Hurt People SD, thank you. Well worth watching.
Maybe a word that sums up why people love other people too much, whereby they allow those people to control their lives, is the word idolatry.
It's an unhealthy unbalanced idol worship of a cult leader who has set them up to be his worshippers, through his coercive control and indoctrination, mixed with fear.
I used to worship such men, had their photographs on the lounge wall, every single household had the same, gave them money every month, mentioned their name throughout every meeting, revered and idolised these leaders.
It is very dangerous. these men suck your soul dry and have a legacy of separated and destroyed families as the fruit of their ministry.
Jesus' words of love God, and your neighbour as yourself have the opposite result.
I had, dogs Shadey, Kona, Caturra, Peppy, Sharlene, and a cat that I just lost Luna and several fish. I even pet my fish. They were big fish. They all were part of my family. I wonder how many kept their animals and didn't invite people over their house. And being afraid that they'd get caught with their pet. The poor children that lost their childhood pal.
I'm sure many kept their pet a secret where they could. One family 'looked after' the neighbours pet a lot.
Congratulations getting out of that cult.
I’ve been researching them online this past week and they are obviously nutters.
I’m a Christian myself so I agree with following the bible but, it’s clear that the EB are going way beyond what is written and enforcing manmade rules not supported in any way by bible scripture.
You did the right thing to leave.
God isn’t with that group it’s all in their heads.
Thank you CF, I agree with you, the awareness campaign was created for those trapped in cults, almost 1000 in the UK alone!
@@johnspinks3851 wow that’s crazy.
This cult is very bizarre.
I can imagine it can harm peoples mental health too.
I can’t imagine how the world must look when from the crib children are been taught that TVs and radios and pets and hotels are all evil parts of satans world.
Surely that must really distort a child’s thinking.
The exclusive brethren remind me of North Korea. Where people either obey Kim jong Un or get executed.
That is messed up beyond belief.
I reckon your view is shared by billions MK.
I’m studying to be a vet nurse and my fiancé is a fringe member of the Brethren (not exclusive brethren though). We have a pet cat who is our little buddy. Next time I’m at that church I’m going to ask the members if they have any connection to the EB.
I strongly feel that there needs to be more regulations surrounding vet clinics putting down animals. Currently in Australia the owners will has more weight than the vets medical opinion of the animal (e.g it is healthy and doesn’t need to be put down and should be surrendered for adoption) and even if the vet is opposed to it the owner can still insist they are put down. The only thing a vet can really do is refuse the service, but then the owner can just take the animal to a different vet clinic until they find a place that will do it for them……
In my opinion if the animal is medically healthy and the owner wants to have it put down for no good reason (e.g. in this situation) it should be flagged as animal abuse and the animal forcibly removed from them.
I agree, killing a healthy pet is murder and religious reasons, especially from a dictator leader is cultic.
So sad!
Hello John,since when have they been pushing that nonscence?I left in 1983,so may not have heard of the No Pets thing.
Hello Andrew, when I escaped in 1988, pets were still banned. Not sure if they are allowed pets today or not? Maybe 'God has turned a corner' as they used to say and they now see keeping pets from children as unkind?
@@johnspinks3851 I sence you have come out the darkness & into the light,bless you.
Am having to dig f'ing deep today,have called my sponsor,been on my knees more than once.Done some meditation,connected with CA friends.
Am loving the new life recovery has given me,but some days we feel the pain intensely.
Bless you for you'r work John,our personal higher power is our salvation.
All the best Andrew, love will always win!
There’s one thing you can say about animals, especially dogs, they give unconditional love. They can heal a distressed soul and bring comfort. Does the cult you belong to do that for you ?
No Julie, the cult I was in savaged familes and their laws left them torn apart.
I've had many guinea pigs over the past 20 years and currently have 2 female ones.
I’ve currently got two cats, such amazing little creations, so loving.
Hild on a second, are you saying JW's were ordered to get rid of or kill their family pets?? I've been disfellowshipped for over 15 years and chose to stay out of the organization, I never heard anything like this...
Hi Michelle, no it was the Exclusive Brethren cult that banned the pets leading to many being killed. It’s all in the video. Thankfully JWs didn’t have that crazy law!
I presently have a miniature foxy named Haututū. Best dog ive ever had. She can seem to easily sense the situation as soon as im unwell or sad or unhappy. Extremely loyal . Frets whenever we'd have need to be apart. Keeps the local rats and mice on their toes. I'd most definitely be at a loss if i were to be without her . That's for sure . If a brethren leader were to ever tell me that i cant have a pet, well then i'd quickly tell them where to F*%#*&G go, without a second thought . My wee dog is way far more decent and trustworthy and reliable than what any of the brethren leaders have ever been
It's all about recognising that it all comes down to the control of ONE MAN who dictates to his followers no pets. And without question, unswerving obedience by all, who know that should they falter in their loyalty, they might never see their loved ones again, which is what happened to me and many thousands of others over the years.
@@johnspinks3851 animals can help "to heal" people. Its fact. In fact they'll now even take pets into hospital or rest homes. Animal are still able to sense things. Without any word being spoken, or visible direction. There is situation where there's been a cat of what is some how drawn to go to see particular rest home sick and elderly people, a few days before they'll die. With an uncanny precision. Spending the last days with each one of them.Even the Egyptian were known to be drawn to animal. Treating some as sacred.
I have a phobia of bee's which i'd picked in my childhood, due to the adults reaction. That's one situation where these day i really wish that bee's wouldn't have this extra ability sense, haaaaaa . You have a nice evening John
Thanks SD, there will be many books written about the great benefit of pets and animals. I did a survey on LinkedIn last week asking how beneficial and therefore important did people think pets were for children.
The results were 87% said they are very beneficial, 12% said they are failry beneficial, and 1% said they were were not very beneficial. There's always one :)
Have a good eve yourself SD, it's still summer till the 30th :)
This made me cry. I love my furbabies. I have had to surrender some to the Humane Society because of the town laws - all the strays know to come to our house - literally almost broke my heart. Your black and black and white furbabies look so much like ours.
I know Theresa, it's a horrible subject and I'm only drawing attention to it to show how decent people feel about pets and also how much children are missing out by being forbidden to have a pet and give it affection. All cults have different laws, many weird like this one. Only by creating awareness can things change and people get the information whereby they can make their own choices about their life and their children's lives and not be a conformist to a cult leader who thinks he has the right to coercively control the lives of his victims. For more, see www.cult-escape.com
John I to know ALL about the pet ban!!
Well if the leader said no pets have them put down . I would say let’s put you down first Mr High and mighty deluded one !!
The pets enrich life beyond measure . Princess willowettes is a little like your cat and somewhat aloof !!! But totally ADORABLE …
Thanks for sharing this detail ….
How tragic! I’m glad you got your precious little pets after! I totally think that is so sad the PB ordered this to happen in your ex cult. The cult I came from:JWs has several times tried to imply that Pets don’t deserve our attention, and even hinting we should not get “emotional with them” or something like that! I found Awake Magazine articles in 1975, and newer ones saying this! I’m so glad they didn’t ban them, but I fear they might. They said “everyone should be ready to obey the elders even if it doesn’t appear to make sense in a human standpoint. Obey as if our life depends on it, because IT DOES” they said several times since a Watchtower magazine in 2013! They said it in a convention last month or so! Yes, these cults are getting more and more tyrannical! I had an elder’s wife tell me I shouldn’t get too attached to my pets.”
I cannot imagine things without them!
My Mum and grandmother were really afraid of cats. That’s what I thought anyway. It wasn’t until I was much older that I realized the fear was about becoming attached to them. The moment two of my uncles left they bought a beautiful puppy. She brought so much joy to the lives of others. How sad that they missed out on the opportunity to experience the love of and for a pet throughout their childhoods.
Hello this is a random question but where did the plymouth brethren stem from? I mean ovy it was organised in plymouth but were the founders from plymouth? Just curious
Hi June, it's quite a common question people ask about the history of the Plymouth Brethren. It's a chapter in the book I wrote called called Cult Escape. I'm narrating each chapter on TH-cam, here's the chapter link. Anything else, feel free to ask.....
th-cam.com/video/gLvj_FiXXOc/w-d-xo.html
@@johnspinks3851 cheers
I haven't heard of plymouth brethwin before recently and I am extremely common ha
Thank you for this. I am so thankful my parents left when I was a small child. Nevertheless they managed to cause much pain and emotional suffering to my parents.
Sorry to hear that Anna. Their legacy of destroyed families is horrendous! That’s why I have done this Cult Escape campaign, to draw attention to the fruit of these religious groups whose members’ families are destroyed often for life.
Who cares! We do.
I’m Closed Brethren; we keep pets.
What rules are you under in the Closed Brethren?
@@johnspinks3851 Just the usual things- no premarital sex, no getting drunk- nothing crazy
Well I teach and preach Gods written word and no where in scripture dose it state we can't have pets so the Plymouth brethren are adding to scripture by extra biblical revelation .
It does say, “without are the dogs,” and no mention of cats in the Bible? Could they have a point? ;)
@@johnspinks3851 John the biblical definition of dog actually is implying ( male's, non Jews or God hating lost heathen ) I've looked into the exclusive brethren movement and it is truly evil and in complete contradiction to the Bible in many ways their is two doctrines that I will say they stand strong on that's complete seperation from the lost world and the pre trib catching up which is correct doctrine my heart aches for the people in this movement what is their stand point on true biblical salvation I'm curious
@@malcolmknight345 I’m glad Jesus didn’t separate himself from the lost world. He dwelt among them, ate and drank with them and healed all who came to him. That’s my God.
The Exclusive Brethren salvation is to believe on Jesus inasmuch as whatever that means by their current leader who dictates to them what to believe.
@@johnspinks3851 so clearly their following the Roman Catholic pope line of thinking which is heretical let me guess they also teach the trinitarian doctrine which is pagan in origin , if your not sure about true biblical salvation , come to the Lord as a repentant sinner believing the gospel acts 20:21/ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and call on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved Romans 10:9-10 believing that in God's eyes their is absolutely nothing good about you Romans 3:10-12 that you deserve eternal damnation Romans 3:23 Romans 6:23 mark 2:17 . In Psalms 145:17-19 / 103:11:13/ 52:17 and Matthew 21:44 are a description of the emotional and mental state of mind that the Lord expects us to be in when we call on him because just remember God chooses us not we choose him we can call on him but if we are not truly repentant he will reject you for salvation it by his grace we are saved Ephesians 2:8-9 with Ephesians 2:10 clearly stating after salvation their must be a changed life but you probably know that already I hope this helps because I would love to call you my brother and see you at the marriage supper of the Lamb of God .
How is it that they having the bible to read can fall for this?
Many ppl find information in the bible for life and how to live. Why are they blinded. Do they believe to be born again? Why doesn't the spirit lead the people of they are believers?
Sickening Plymouth brethren have no consideration for any form of life animal or human.
You’re right Silje. The only hope for animals of the ‘man of god’ uses the “God has turned a corner card,” which then would justify the brethren having pets.