Ah, I see, it's Ben who flies and shoots fire, not Rowan. No wonder Rowan keeps using that as an example of something impossible while Ben argues against him.
ahahah yea, that's so true specially in some mmo, instead of even trying to dodge or block, they go "i can get heal" as if the healer has ENDLESS amount of mp and NO cooldown on skills.
Or the equally used phrase “I can’t heal without mana!” Use to drive me bonkers sit down to drink water after a big pull and the tank is of course at full health cause you know did my job and they just go charging off into the next group of enemies and scream for healing….Not bitter about it at all lol.
There was a healer I used to play with years ago who had a macro for when he joined pugs. It basically said "I am a healer, not a miracle worker. If you're out of line of sight, I can't heal you. If you're out of range, I can't heal you. If I have no mana, I can't heal you. If you blame me when any of these happen, I am going to spam dance on your corpse and feel absolutely zero guilt."
Exactly. By all means, healers need to heal, but tanks don't need to take *all* the damage, dodge if you can to not drain the limited number of heals you're going to be getting.
@@nophoto6875 What does that supposed to mean? If you re complaining about someone is not doing enough healing, first check if you re doing everything to avoid as much dmg as possible
That entire sequence of Adam "making eye contact 😳," and then finding _all the ways_ not to say "yes" is just fabulous: "Mmmm." "Tsch." "Ma man!" "I am a healer." "For you Britt? Pfff. Tssss." 🤣 Bravo, Adam!
Can confirm there is a point where the healer can enter a "Berserk" mode and stops healing and tries to go DPS, this usually happens from other party members taking too much unnecessary damage and the battle taking too long.
Also common when your damage dealers aren't doing their job and nothing is getting done, so somebody like the healer has to try to get in chip damage because the dps is doing nothing
In wow, I was bored healing no damage in a low level dungeon (only shooting my wand), keeping my mana for healing and then someone tells me I can dps to go faster, I really didn't like it when I was oom and they needed healing and understood why I kept healing only. (but since cataclysm, I guess Healer dealing damage is the norm, with discipline priest first)
2:05 Everyone critiquing Adam for being a troll and focusing on damage as a healer, but no one bats an eye when Allan tries to shoot a bow without any arrows.
MMO quivers are just for decoration. Arrows just happen when you draw a bow in a fight. The arrows in the quiver are topped with easily accessible candy.
Adam has a point tough with "try not to get hit so much" - when you're with a tank who goes in all Leeroy Jenkins, parks in a poison aura, catches fireballs with his head and finally blames the healer for letting him die.
Yes, the role of the tank isn't to get hit, but prevent other to be hit. In some game at very hight and competitive level the healer and the tank must do damage too so they both need to optimise their gameplay to reduce the time they spend on casting heal, protection, taunt etc
@@faellyss I would say a tank does these things in order of priority: A) Prevent the rest of the party from taking hits B) Reduce the damage they take as much as possible, using their toolset to minimize the worst incoming attacks C) Position the boss/mobs due to fight mechanics / party needs D) Provide additional damage
@@t3hsilarn A and C essentially go hand in hand. As a tank you have to always be aware of positioning in order to prevent the team from taking hits, you can't separate them into two priorities.
Man I remember leeroy Jenkins, Funny thing is way back in the day I did have a DPS healer in wow. Before they stopped holy nova and mixed talent kits. Going spirit healer close range, with a zero cool down aoe healing, and a 5 second full mana regen. Yeah I did damage, but it was a side affect of healing. But when we had a new tank, even if I did 1 threat it would be tough because I would be able to if I didn't time it right overpower a tanks request.
@@joanpearl7184 Sounds like you had a really bad tank. Even in games where aggro is dps based, theres always a way to properly tank, provided tanking is viable.
Back in the days i played Neverwinter online, and there was one guy in our game who "broke the code" and made a dps healer. He was making bigger dps than any wizard or 2h warrior, and additionally was healing the shit out of whole team xD all the other healers were usually shit in dps, and only buffing. This guy was a legend for them🤣
I did that when I played dnd. I made a monk that was putting out higher dps than all 3 others combined. Had to tank the dungeon when the tank left as well along with 1 of the dps. Beat the dungeon with me as healer/ dps/ tank with 2 dps. Real difficult but it was pretty fun.
Shaiya was similar in that. With the right build an Oracle could do almost as well as other classes in DPS. Single target DPS was on par with a luck archer which was only surpassed by assassins. AOE DPS on par with a mage and about 90% that of a 2h warrior. Healing didn't suffer horribly and still able to fulfil the primary role of resurrecting people. But what a pain in the butt to level as you were quite squishy and until late game not terribly useful.
I have to agree with one thing the healer said..."Dont stand in the damage"! As someone who usually heals, it burns my ass when stupid people just stand in the danger zone and dont even move out of the way for the massive attacks. ESPECIALLY DPS! I just stop healing DPS when they get too stupid. Like a DPS running ahead and pulling multiple mobs while the tank is still focused elsewhere.
DPS standing in damage zones is awful. Tanks, depending on the game, had better stand the hecc wherever they're meant to be, even if that IS in the damage zone. FFXIV for example the tank moving is a great way to cleave the entire party.
I like the games where the healer has a yank/rescue. I do cuss the heck out of them off voice, but also secretly enjoy when I succeed at the super challenge.
Exactly, I explain to people that my primary concern is keeping the tank up (unless said tank is useless in which case the off-tank just got a field promotion), and DPS gets whatever is left over so they have to understand how not to pull aggro away from the tank.
@@jasam01 in FFXIV, there are avoidable AOEs and there are unavoidable ones. Everyone should be avoiding avoidable AOEs. Tank cant avoid wise area tank busters. They need to stand there and take it like a champ =P I get what you are saying but they are taking it no matter what. Tank trying to avoid an UNAVOIDABLE AOE is a great way to kill the party, I agree.
A healer's job is primarily healing. That's how they keep people alive. And if they're standing around twiddling their thumbs then mby do a little damage. A healer's job is also to leave any DPS who thinks they run anything in a state of dirt nap should said dps decide to try to dictate anything to anyone else. Sincerely, a TANK who mained tank from the very first day he'd touched any MMORPG.
@@xXxDSMerThe problem with your logic is sometimes the Dps (usually me) lol, is the only one who know wtf is going on. So your logic is very flawed. I have mained all 3 roles in my years. Nothing worse than ANY player who thinks they know it all.
2:05 Someone forgot to CGI the arrow when Alan was drawing the bow. Now he just draws an empty bow, so I don't blame Adam at all for feeling responsible for the team's damage output.
and i think the "tank" wears a leather/metal light armor instead of a "heavy" armor. Maybe for the better mobility or resistances. And no shild. Nothing is glowing/sparkling at all. Seems not epic or legendary equip.
Sometimes as a healer you just have to be more a more effective DPS then the the dedicated DPS. I mean of no one else can do it right i guess you have to do all the work.
As a healer main in WoW back in the day, I felt the healer points about them should trying not to get hit. Some tanks just think they are immortal with heals on them.
@@brendamayfuller8803 clearly you aren't a dps player, tank dies? Tank's fault. Healer dies? Tank's fault. other dps dies? Tank's fault. you die? Believe it or not, tank's fault
@@brendamayfuller8803 Sometimes it's the DPS fault. Like the healer is too busy healing stupid that the tank suffers. ETA: One of the worst kind of DPS, outside those who stand in stupid, are the ones who try and fight the boss as far away from the healer as possible, so the healer is scrambling to get in range of them.
@@1989Azrael which you can fix by adding more heals/specing tankier. Doesn't work in every game, but it worked great for my raid group in gw2. Practically ignored every mechanic, super chill and relaxed clears and the clear times were even better than most groups attempting optimal tryhard speed clear strats.
"Don't stand in the fire pit that the dragon created" That is a solid point from a healers perspective, it is our job to keep you alive but you can help us out lol. I was usually dps but I did play heals and playing with teammates that would pay attention and avoid standing in fire pits when possible and avoiding the really high damage attacks made it so much easier to keep them alive. So easy that some times, I might even find a sec to select the boss and sneak a DOT spell in there lol. Funny how he made a solid point then runs in first and agros the boss lol. Actually seen that happen in game, usually a DPS attacking before tank secured agro.
aah yes i remember in wow classic in gnomeregan there where dwarves who dropped a mine i said to them to either defuse it or stay away...gues what happend?
Abso-freaking-lutely. I guess it depends on the game but in FFXIV, too many tanks and DPS trying to maximize their rotation and stand in AOEs to do it, forcing the healer, who is also supposed to be doing damage by game design, to now top up those people after taking damage they shouldnt have taken in the first place. Healing is absolutely a healers job. Its everyone's job not to take avoidable damage.
It will be hilarious if he did for the sake of the video, or another video should the healer cooperate. Rowan would complain, "Goddammit, Adam, I told you to unlearn Holy Nova!"
This made me remember myself in wowclassic. moltencore bombing the imppacks. I was in there with the mages as a priest just so i could use holynova which was on a 30sec cooldown then. These used to be the good days 🤣.
Not really that ridiculous. Ive met quite a few players like that, even on fairly endgame content of MMO´s. You play long enough you´ll meet all kinds of crazies. Tanks who either think they can pull entire dungeon including all bosses and still be perfectly healed, or dont want to get hit, so they pop up aggro reducing abilities or start yelling at healers for heals everytime their health drops to 99%. DPS who either start damaging the boss before tank builds aggro, or stand in AoE effects then start bitching when healer doesnt have enough mana to heal/res them. Heals who think they are DPS or even tanks. Human factor in games is never ending source of amusement and inspiration for videos like these.
Tbh this isn't that ridiculous I usually play support classes and get either dragged into the fight or just get a little to confident and jump head first into the fight because "I'm doing so good healing let's try that thing I saw on someone's twitch highlight"
To be fair, most healers can relate to the tank/teammate taking unnecessary damage, running out of your healing reach, or trying to speedrun while you have like 5% mana left and not wait for you. And that, my good fellows, is where the first stereotypes of pissed healers began.
I particularly dislike the out of healing reach part. Usually in dungeons I could deal with some unnecessary damage, and the mana shortage usually was manageable for one small fight, but seeing a tank or DPS going leeroy jenkins into combat really was the worst. Especially if you would get blamed afterwards for "not keeping up"...
@@jeffafa3096It's kinda tanks job to go leroy jenkins into a fight. But as someone who's mained tank from the first day I touched any MMORPG (it was Wow, during cataclysm.. I got a late start lol) - I'll also say its stupid to yeet into combat when the healer's mana is drained. As a tank I'm the lead of the raid.. I'm in command of it.. and I'm not yeeting until ALL my heals are ready to go. Just like I wouldn't yeet myself into the next bit of combat with 25% hp lol
Can confirm, though, that if I'm a healer, I will always be looking for any opportunity to make an attack, even if I have just teeniest weeniest offensive spell available. "Oh everybody is 90% health, might just make a quick attack now....", a forever annoyance to my party mates.
I've played D&D groups with no healers.. it SUCKS. I was the one that had to remind everyone that we needed health potions. They are so spendy too at low levels/ early campaign before you start getting insane amounts of money.
I must agree with Adam though, that tank's job is not collecting every possible damage point, like standing in fire pit :) It begs for another episode with poor healer being abused by "MEDIC! MEDIC! MEDIC!" by stupid teammates :P Great dragon, great costumes, great outro!
well duh, in most game it needed to stand, generate "hate" n make the boss stand still rather than runnin around n messing around the boss.. if u are shit healer just say it so the guild can find or make another member create healer character n kik u out.
I love how a video supposedly pointing out a bad healer gets the whole comment section to defend his statement about tanks not trying to take more damage. Many valid points made in the comments and I wholeheartedly agree, having played both tank and healer.
Yep. I haven't seen a single comment so far that 100% agrees with VLDL's point, just a lot of "Well yes, but..." Though it's true that it goes both ways. Maybe the next video will be about the tank's flaws, and then the dps
Yeah, I main tanks in a lot of RPG’s. People underestimate how important it is to have a tank that is smart and can make good calls for when to take a hit and when it is time to reposition. That can be the difference between winning with heals to spare, or dying because the resources required to heal everyone is just too high. I hate when I see a tank that just sits in aoe dots for no good reason.
There are legitimate strategies where the Tank is to just take the damage while being kept alive by the Healer, and the rest of the group does the boss kill.
@@imkluu I don't know of any games where you have to take damage to keep the aggro on you, usually its a combination of being the first in its sight or to attack it and taunt skills so the DPS doesn't get targeted from their damage output. The only reason to tank damage is if moving would put someone else in the line of its attacks or ruin any backstab mechanics. But there is a limit to how much healing a healer can reasonably do even if healing at max efficiency. So a tank should avoid damage whenever possible.
Rewached it several times just to watch Adams response to straight questions. Somehow he managed his response exactly in between "yes" and "no". Breathtaking, really. Genius.
I laughed so hard since I’ve played a healer/buffer in an mmorpg. I can’t tell you how many hatemails I got that started off with, “You did know you were supposed to heal/buff us right?” Etc etc. “Why yes, I know but you did stand in the AoE and didn’t budge and/or there were others in the party I had to rescue, right?” Lolololol
@@edgibbs2794 That’s the response I said in my head! What I said in reality was,”Oh I’m SO sorry I missed you dying over on THAT side of the boss. I didn’t know you could stand over there! I’ll double check next time!” 🤣
Dragons are generally made to be intelligent: unlike Adam. He was just trolling them by not attacking while they strategized, it didn't make a diff to him.
Props to the CGI team! That was a beautiful dragon. Also this was just hilarious- then again, the healers are usually the least appreciated member of the group.
@@shaanysully9908 my experience as any and all roles is that the healer typically gets blamed no matter who is actually at fault. The dps gets in a bad situation- "the healer should have healed me". The tank stands in avoidable aoe? "Just heal more". It's really a thankless job in many cases. You do your job right? Everyone blames you anyway. You make a slight mistake? Well you're the whole reason we lost the match. I play all roles fairly evenly, but regardless of who's healer this pattern is a common occurrence- even for seasoned healer mains
@@dRanzark no, you save your mana for healing, and removing debuffs. putting debuffs on enemy is good too. If I see a healer use mana for damage, I just leave the group. I don't even tell people why anymore, not worth my time to explain.
@@growthisfreedomunitedearth7584 What MMO are you talking about? I have played quite a few and in every one the sign of a good healer is knowing how to balance healing and dps
@@growthisfreedomunitedearth7584 depends heavily on what game youre talking about. Ffxiv for instance, healers can, should and are in fact expected to do damage to maximum extent practical while keeping everyone alive. The fights are even tuned to account for healer dps, and in current content (stuff you havent just outgeared yet), your party is going to struggle really hard to meet dps checks if the healers don't contribute a reasonable amount.
@@petemilesi4226 aggro doesnt work that way, you must deal damage so you increase threat or use tank specific abilities that taunt or increase threat. Tanks in mmos do pretty okay damage as a result of the threat mechanic although yes it is not comparable to pure dps. In pvp games, on the other hand, tanks typically have cc abilities and big health pools but low damage. Their job is to engage using those cc abilities or mitigate damage or cc of the enemy team.
@@DraconisNL and shite healers 😅 In this time i would be kicked out of the raid if a Shadow priest would had >hps than a holy/dicipline priest. But Shadow was only in the fun raids tolerated.
sort of like the druid in DnD , "so you have healing spells" yes "and you use them however you like?" yes "and you have tons of support spells?" yes "why is your class primarily focused on damage?" because in beta testing, when they actually allowed us to be good, we were too good and we're one of few classes to not be penalized for using summoned creatures
I’ve been in many raids. Some of the best moments is when a boss is on 1% and the dps all die. Then the healer smites it to death just as the tanks die. Epic moment!
Had a Dungeon Master in DnD that surprised us by having the animalistic bad guys attacks tanks but when we got to the more intelligent baddies they would target the spell casters and Clerics first. The first few times that happened we had to run like heck. It's always a bit fun when the bad guys can legitimately surprise you from time to time.
If it were FFXIV, the discussion would be the other way around Healer: "I'm a healer, I'm going to focus on healing." Party: "Stop wasting our time and start dealing damage!" A healer only needs to heal as much as needed to prevent people from dying. Any remaining resources of time and mana should be put into dealing damage, thus saving everyone time.
Aye. It just annoys me when I throw up a regen on a teammate that's at like 50%-60% hp only for my partner healer to immediately throw up a big heal on them. It's like......dude, that Bard wasn't going to die any time soon, why waste the time and mana like that? Just let the regen do its thing. But I guess a lot of people have hp anxiety.
@@Gofr5 heh reminds me of my necro healer in guildwars - my philosophy was: i will throw as much overkill healing on you as you want...so long as you keep murdering shit... if you fail at your job, i dont get energy and then i will have to reap your souls to heal the rest of the team that does their job better XD not the most economic...but very refreshing and hey, if your resources are basically limitless why not right? in general it works after all XD
@@Gofr5 Sounds like your team mate made sure the person wasn't going to die from heavy damage ahead of time in case it happened, and you could have saved the resources/casting time and used it for something else. reasons why communication helps.
I’m a final fantasy 14 WHTM and I get this a lot, when this happens I try to do damage this results in me getting less MP and when they need heals I try to heal them and then I am left with no MP usually when we’re fighting a boss then they tell me to not do damage cause I’m not healing enough like wtf that’s contradictory
@@FFXFanforever100 I'm Sage main, when people get all nervous cause I am attacking so much I have to laugh at them. Half my healing comes from shooting lasers at the enemy. I mean I could attack less but....ya gonna die.
in all fairness, this only applies to savage raid, anything else doesn't really matter, and i know they appreciate my healing alot, especially with the new tier, many healers already quitted - ast main with chicken suit glamour
This was going to go one of two ways. Either Adam was going to dps when he said he would heal, or he was going to only heal and they would die with the dragon at like.. 5% health and they would complain because he didn't help with the damage at all.
As the designated healer 90% of the time, I have to somewhat side with Adam on the point of Rowan taking less damage. One day I got fed up with our tank saying they couldn't take less damage so I hopped on my tank (same class) and told them to heal, on any class they liked. We then ran the scenario again and I was the only one who the new healer didn't have to heal, cause I new what damage mitigation the class had and how the fights went. Ya...I never ran with them again as they were just pissed at me after...for not wanting to tank for them.
I mean, some tanks have better damage mitigation than others depending on the game. Some tanks are literally mostly lifepoints tanks that do some DPS, others focus on absorbing damage and even healing themselves a bit, and even others focus on debuffs and interruptions...
It depends on the game too. When I played ff14, no matter how far away you ran, any damage targeted at you would hit you, as long as you were close enough for the enemy to start the attack. Some games make it literally impossible to evade damage. But mostly, I agree with you. Part of the reason I never play healer. It's a stressful job, but mostly I suck at timing anything.. especially heals.
@@hellborne7995 That is true, you can't get rid of all damage, but a tank that knows the fight really well and what their class options are can do a lot to reduce the damage they take. For example, in Haukke Manor, the final boss has some frontal aoes that aren't telegraphed, so it's possible to stand behind the boss to avoid the hit. There are also many bosses with "tank killer" attacks that do massive damage, so a tank that knows what to look for will time their mitigation for that, or have interrupts ready for specific attacks. Some telegraphs that do so little damage that a tank might stay in it in order to not move the boss. On the other hand, FFXIV is designed to be so easy that tanks that don't do any of that will be fine, and healers can easily keep up with it.
On some games, a good tank can solo easy, it could take forever to kill the mob, but the survivality can make you stay in the area almost forever. On the old times of Ragnarok Online I could solo some MVP's wiith a Lord Knight with the right strategy. Tanking is not only become in front of enemy taking every single hit. You need to know the right time to move, arrond, retract and even the time to flee way. A good tank with a good healer almost become an imortal being, a bad tank with a good healer is just a shield that eventualy will broke.
I love it that the conversation at the beginning of the video could have been ripped right out of a mmo. It was not just a little funny text to prepare the joke but both sides making valid points. You guys are really amazing.
Y'all rallied on this one. Something felt fresh and good about this sketch. The acting felt a level or 2 better. The costumes looked great. Rowan's cape really pops in that outfit. CGI looked great. Rowan looks like he's been hitting the gym or something. Adam's expressions were killing me. Britt's timing and delivery were great. Alan🙌 You're quality🙌Change nothing🙌
Adam is literally my friend in every game. "Ill hold this corner while you check the bodies" 10 secs later... I get shot and he's in a completelt different builddding looting
Had this... year or two ago during a community game night - Fortnite being the game of choice - where it was three of us constantly reminding a fourth to dial the enthusiasm back... Shit you not, we'd land a place, spend a min looting and early game combat and the next thing any of us knows he's in the next Location shooting at a whole other team.
When you have a healer who occasionally mixes in to be a dealer, your party is doing exceptionally well ... so long as none of them drop in the process. Ah, when your healer is suicidal ... that's GGs, new party.
"Roll 1d20+ uhhh... since I don't have the rule book out right now lets say slight of hand." "What the hell you know that's my worst skill! I'm a healer m8! I don't even have it as an option!" "Fine, your right. Strait do... 1d20+dex and you can add your divine favor if you want." "..." "What?" "Fuck you, It's my dump stat!" "Well, deal with it!" "Fine... ... ... it's a 4." "Okay you somehow managed to let go of the bucket filled with water and hit the one you indend to heal with the bottom part, roll 1d4 for damage." "Do I need to add any of my bonuses and my strength to that?" "...You do now." "Okay, sorry. 4+3 for my strength bonus and another for my racial trait... and... Oh right the bonus from divine favor adds another 1d4... that's another 4... Yea he dead." "...I hate you guys..."
I got yelled at one time I was pugging a raid in WoW. I was a priest and the raid lead called me out on Vent that my heals were at the bottom of of the list of healers and why was I doing so much dps? I was spec'd shadow and joined as a dps...
ive done that too shadow priest is a lot of fun I was in a raid one time as dps shadow priest and ended up out healing the holy priest while still doing damage lol
I had to do the opposite. I was speced for DPS, though I had healing spells that I mostly used on me. Was in a group where the healer was useless. With my two healing spells I kept the group alive and was doing so much damage that the tank couldn't keep agro as he also sucked. That was the worse experience of my mmo life. When we finally won I had to take a break. Only time that ever happened. Usually if the healer or tank sucked, I died.
@You're Gonna Hate This Nobodies fault but the DPSs that they dont know what they are doing. You cant blame the person who knows what they are doing for being good at what they do. Thats just silly.
Hahah it is. Ripping on DPS is great. It does pull alot of aggro to have heals and DMG going out though. But again this is only if you have a shit group. But generally any class that doesn't do their job is annoying. Tanks that don't pull aggro or watch the group. DPS that start fights or couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. And the useless healers that don't heal forcing you to make a healing character only to not find tanks forcing you to make a tank. Aww the good ol' days. Now it's all eat zee bugs.
You need one about the tank that decides to run ahead without actually making sure he's actually arggo'd everything first, before leaving everybody else behind to get ganked by trash mobs.
As a Main Tank for several years I definitely know the feeling of creeping around with 20% HP, carefully cycling through all the Defensive Cooldowns, while the healer is trying to sequeeze as many damage skills into his GCD's as possible. I originally thought that you would go for something like that - with the healer standing in the back, doing spells and telekinesis to damage the boss, while the tank is sweating blood and water to survive, only to barely survive the boss fight - and the healer says "Well, that wasn't too hard." in the end.
my dude that shit is hard, we aren't only healing you dude. the whole party is being attacked, ourselves included. i havent even played any mmos for awhile now but "im feeling attacked right now"
If the healer DPS's, your hp drops low, but nobody dies....then the healer did their job perfectly. If people die because of late/slow heals because the healer was dpsing (and not because they rolled around in the fire like an idiot) then the healer fucked up. The healer's job isn't to make you win the fight as healthy as possible, the healer's job is to make you win the fight. You may not appreciate this comment today, but if you lose to an enrage timer on a raid enough time then you'll get it. ALL DPS matters, including the healer.
I started off playing a tank early on, but after doing just a few groups I got tired of dying and switched to heals -- and never went back. I became very in-demand when I was online. It seems that I was actually healing and keeping people alive. lol
Lol I experienced that too, with the healer role. I'm always in demand for some reason xD queue time averages around 1-2 minutes while other classes would sometimes take 10
@@dinilmusick paladins rules good paladin can heal at dungeon entire group while dk only himself.that why this new solo queue group match tanks and healer have thier own setup but paladin tank can match up only another paladin tanks becouse of thier of heal and cover not copmparable to other tanks.
"If the tank dies, it's the healer's fault. If the healer dies, it's the tank's fault. And if the DPS dies, it's the DPS' fault." Standard idiom for LotRO where DPS could grab the aggro from the tanks if they weren't careful.
Started playing LotRO as a red hunter recently, and I know this too well 😭 Our main tank has learned not to give me a damage buff against anything other than a boss, or I'll pull half the group off him and end up splitting the healer's attention between us, and it's an all around disaster.
If I die, it's the fault of the healer. If I pull aggro, it's the tank's fault. If I don't do enough damage it's because my class is always getting nerfed. That's the modern MMO mentality.
Man this brings me back to FFXI online days, .... Getting all the way to a boss after a good dungeon, and our main healer had to leave, got thee WORST healer known to man (a friend of a friend) just constantly letting us die whilst he did stupid shit and broke chains of limit breaks! Couldn't tell him though! In denial that he wasn't the issue accurate as always VLDL! 😅
Next one should be: When the Dps thinks that they won't need a Tank because they think that their damage will burst the boss before they get into any sort of danger *Proceeds to get one-shotted by the boss before Tank gets aggro*
Some games I play have this scenario - boss can be killed by dps only. But when those people come to play normal mode ... You can make 20 movies out of that.
The tank's job is to prent allies from being attacked. How that looks is game dependent, and blocking everything with your face is not usually the optimal way to achieve that.
Ok but to be fair, playing Overwatch as Battle Mercy was super fun, nobody expected DPS out of a Mercy, just like nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
I saw a guild whose name was "Blame the heals", lol. I am a ranged dps at heart, but often times will play a healer character. I have played healer quite a few end game dungeons and instances in a handful of games. I still do not consider myself as all that great, but was asked plenty of times to do the dungeons. I would recommend for those that desire to be dps-heals, just treat the damage to party members as dps. You will be basically dps-ing the damage. That mindset helps a lot, and could work for you. I found that approach to be very helpful in developing a decent heals/dps character.
What he didn't tell them is that he his dagger was +10 against dragons, he cast divine agility on himself, and he was wearing an ice cloak with fire resistance. He was setting up this surprise epic solo victory the whole time.
@@IamSimplyHim I see, I tend to skip the last scenes because they're usually just a sales pitch for the channel. Most healer classes in games come with elemental wards/immunities so I honestly wasn't expecting this to happen.
My time as a healer ended when I caught a stun. Naturally I can't heal anybody when I'm stunned, and we lost the fight. So they all dumped on me, and I quit the team. I also quit being the healer forever, because screw abusive D-bags who won't even listen--or don't even care--why things aren't going their way because obviously screaming at the healer is going to make everything go perfect every time.
yes, or the tank suddenly storming off while you are still using mana flask to get ready and he is suddenly around a corner out of direct view. Gosh.. wonder why i couldn't heal you?
"Why didn't you heal me?" Because: 1. you didn't protect me, and I died 2. You stormed off and I couldn't find you 3. You went too close to a boss/arena, or flew up a stupid tower, and were out of range 4. I ran out of heals because you stood in the AOE and took 9 million damage more than I can repair
Funny videos, and educational, too. As a strong introvert, I only do single-player games and missions and skip anything that would force me to get a party, so I don't really know how it works. Bu seeing these, I feel happier with my choices being on my own in the gaming world.
Man, Ben as always kills it. As far as I can see, he isn't using wires, he's just flying through sheer talent. And with all that dragon makeup too!
hah, this is what he looks like when he gets up in the morning. It's just ben before coffee.
Yeah Ben smashed it in this skit
Ah, I see, it's Ben who flies and shoots fire, not Rowan. No wonder Rowan keeps using that as an example of something impossible while Ben argues against him.
Ben goes from a Bat to a dragon. His cloak must have got an upgrade.
BEN IS THE BEST! THEN ROWAN.
"I'm feeling a little attacked, guys."
Well, heal yourself, Adam...
Heal thyself physician.
This is the best comment on the thread.
oh snap, lol.
How does this not have more likes...
This comment should be pinned.
"how about you don't stand in the fire" healers around the world cried in acknowledgement.
Except when you need to soak a mechanic to avoid wiping the raid. :D
But man.. THE TANK IS CHAD IN FIRE! :D
- Eso maintank here-
Nope just be a smart healer and cast fire protection on em. /shrugs
I swear... if I'm in a PUG and the DPS _aren't_ standing in the flashing red circles of death I hear angels singing
ahahah yea, that's so true specially in some mmo, instead of even trying to dodge or block, they go "i can get heal" as if the healer has ENDLESS amount of mp and NO cooldown on skills.
“I can’t heal stupidity.” - Every healer at least once per fight.
Or the equally used phrase “I can’t heal without mana!” Use to drive me bonkers sit down to drink water after a big pull and the tank is of course at full health cause you know did my job and they just go charging off into the next group of enemies and scream for healing….Not bitter about it at all lol.
Frequently tempted to let their health remain a little low for a little while to help a character learn from their "mistakes".
I will add this to my notes :D
Pretty sure I've said this before, along with "I'm a healer, not a necromancer"
There was a healer I used to play with years ago who had a macro for when he joined pugs. It basically said "I am a healer, not a miracle worker. If you're out of line of sight, I can't heal you. If you're out of range, I can't heal you. If I have no mana, I can't heal you. If you blame me when any of these happen, I am going to spam dance on your corpse and feel absolutely zero guilt."
I appreciate that “No fighter was harmed in this production”. The healer just absorbed all the damage.
Where is it?
At least he made sure they walked away at full health
And survived!
Timestamp? I didnt see it
This is clearly the case of a group of friends joining a game & the guy who loves to play tanks shows up late & is forced to play a healer.
In fairness tanks standing in AoE of attacks and expecting to be healed while being extremely stupid is a frequent occurrence.
Exactly. By all means, healers need to heal, but tanks don't need to take *all* the damage, dodge if you can to not drain the limited number of heals you're going to be getting.
Ever think people aren't as good at the game and/or make mistakes? You're playing with humans. What do you expect?
@@nophoto6875 Defensive.
@@nophoto6875 big circle glowing ground that deals constant damage is a sign to move OUT of it.
Every humans knows that
@@nophoto6875 What does that supposed to mean? If you re complaining about someone is not doing enough healing, first check if you re doing everything to avoid as much dmg as possible
That entire sequence of Adam "making eye contact 😳," and then finding _all the ways_ not to say "yes" is just fabulous: "Mmmm." "Tsch." "Ma man!" "I am a healer." "For you Britt? Pfff. Tssss." 🤣
Bravo, Adam!
He really reminded my of Rowan in the Bored series with those :D
@@VaregianEisselor he was "being a Rowan." 😅
Reminded me of "Key and Peele: Lying to your dying wife"
Ma man!
Can confirm there is a point where the healer can enter a "Berserk" mode and stops healing and tries to go DPS, this usually happens from other party members taking too much unnecessary damage and the battle taking too long.
WoW Druid - at one point it had this XD
Selling all support equipment and reinvesting into non-atk scaling equipment time :)
Also common when your damage dealers aren't doing their job and nothing is getting done, so somebody like the healer has to try to get in chip damage because the dps is doing nothing
Yeah sometimes the people up front are too reckless and that pisses off the healer.
In wow, I was bored healing no damage in a low level dungeon (only shooting my wand), keeping my mana for healing and then someone tells me I can dps to go faster, I really didn't like it when I was oom and they needed healing and understood why I kept healing only. (but since cataclysm, I guess Healer dealing damage is the norm, with discipline priest first)
2:05
Everyone critiquing Adam for being a troll and focusing on damage as a healer, but no one bats an eye when Allan tries to shoot a bow without any arrows.
Ah, I think thats cos in Azzerim, ranged weapons do not need ammo anymore.
They're magic arrows. You just need to have one real arrow and the rest of your "shots" will do whatever damage it does.
MMO quivers are just for decoration. Arrows just happen when you draw a bow in a fight. The arrows in the quiver are topped with easily accessible candy.
INVISIBLE arrows
Obviously he's a transgender d2 Amazon who was casting magic arrow
Adam has a point tough with "try not to get hit so much" - when you're with a tank who goes in all Leeroy Jenkins, parks in a poison aura, catches fireballs with his head and finally blames the healer for letting him die.
Yes, the role of the tank isn't to get hit, but prevent other to be hit.
In some game at very hight and competitive level the healer and the tank must do damage too so they both need to optimise their gameplay to reduce the time they spend on casting heal, protection, taunt etc
@@faellyss I would say a tank does these things in order of priority: A) Prevent the rest of the party from taking hits B) Reduce the damage they take as much as possible, using their toolset to minimize the worst incoming attacks C) Position the boss/mobs due to fight mechanics / party needs D) Provide additional damage
@@t3hsilarn A and C essentially go hand in hand. As a tank you have to always be aware of positioning in order to prevent the team from taking hits, you can't separate them into two priorities.
Man I remember leeroy Jenkins,
Funny thing is way back in the day I did have a DPS healer in wow.
Before they stopped holy nova and mixed talent kits.
Going spirit healer close range, with a zero cool down aoe healing, and a 5 second full mana regen. Yeah I did damage, but it was a side affect of healing.
But when we had a new tank, even if I did 1 threat it would be tough because I would be able to if I didn't time it right overpower a tanks request.
@@joanpearl7184 Sounds like you had a really bad tank. Even in games where aggro is dps based, theres always a way to properly tank, provided tanking is viable.
Adam channeling his inner Leroy Jenkins is absolute perfection 😂
I'm surprised at how far down I had to scroll to find a Leroy Jenkins comment.
I was looking for this comment. XD
My first thought was allergy jenkins
I had to replay it, I thought he Leroy’d for real.
I can't believe people are still giving that dbag so much rep for not being able to follow simple directions.
Back in the days i played Neverwinter online, and there was one guy in our game who "broke the code" and made a dps healer. He was making bigger dps than any wizard or 2h warrior, and additionally was healing the shit out of whole team xD all the other healers were usually shit in dps, and only buffing. This guy was a legend for them🤣
I did that when I played dnd. I made a monk that was putting out higher dps than all 3 others combined. Had to tank the dungeon when the tank left as well along with 1 of the dps. Beat the dungeon with me as healer/ dps/ tank with 2 dps. Real difficult but it was pretty fun.
Shaiya was similar in that.
With the right build an Oracle could do almost as well as other classes in DPS.
Single target DPS was on par with a luck archer which was only surpassed by assassins. AOE DPS on par with a mage and about 90% that of a 2h warrior.
Healing didn't suffer horribly and still able to fulfil the primary role of resurrecting people. But what a pain in the butt to level as you were quite squishy and until late game not terribly useful.
DPS of didnt get nerfed? Happened to me in DAoC...
The lean in from Adam when he's told they need eye contact is too good.
deadass Adam is probably the most talented out of all of them. Sorry Rowan.
@@clintdiamond9145 In terms of mediation, that's called an expulsion (2nd/3rd-hand respectively).
Which game is this?
I have to agree with one thing the healer said..."Dont stand in the damage"! As someone who usually heals, it burns my ass when stupid people just stand in the danger zone and dont even move out of the way for the massive attacks. ESPECIALLY DPS! I just stop healing DPS when they get too stupid. Like a DPS running ahead and pulling multiple mobs while the tank is still focused elsewhere.
Depending on the fight mechanics and tactics, there can be a reason for a tank to remain in the danger zone. But yeah, DPS is SOL.
DPS standing in damage zones is awful. Tanks, depending on the game, had better stand the hecc wherever they're meant to be, even if that IS in the damage zone. FFXIV for example the tank moving is a great way to cleave the entire party.
I like the games where the healer has a yank/rescue. I do cuss the heck out of them off voice, but also secretly enjoy when I succeed at the super challenge.
Exactly, I explain to people that my primary concern is keeping the tank up (unless said tank is useless in which case the off-tank just got a field promotion), and DPS gets whatever is left over so they have to understand how not to pull aggro away from the tank.
@@jasam01 in FFXIV, there are avoidable AOEs and there are unavoidable ones. Everyone should be avoiding avoidable AOEs. Tank cant avoid wise area tank busters. They need to stand there and take it like a champ =P I get what you are saying but they are taking it no matter what. Tank trying to avoid an UNAVOIDABLE AOE is a great way to kill the party, I agree.
A healer is like a combat medic.
Their job is to keep you alive, not regenerate every single cell in your body.
Sincerely, a DPS.
I used to play a game where I'd keep my 5-man tank alive... barely. No top-ups, always "r", aiming for a nice 10% health.
Obviously you're new to MMOs....GO back to 2003 in Everquest, be a cleric, and learn what a CH rotation is ;)
A healer's job is primarily healing. That's how they keep people alive. And if they're standing around twiddling their thumbs then mby do a little damage.
A healer's job is also to leave any DPS who thinks they run anything in a state of dirt nap should said dps decide to try to dictate anything to anyone else.
Sincerely, a TANK who mained tank from the very first day he'd touched any MMORPG.
@@xXxDSMerThe problem with your logic is sometimes the Dps (usually me) lol, is the only one who know wtf is going on. So your logic is very flawed. I have mained all 3 roles in my years. Nothing worse than ANY player who thinks they know it all.
I was just coming here to say this shit xD
The faster an enemy is dead, the less damage your party takes.
“Wow, guys! I’m feeling really attacked here!”
*Heals emotional damage
Lol Adam was so into his Holy Daggers that I'm wondering if he even bothered to do that 😂
2:05 Someone forgot to CGI the arrow when Alan was drawing the bow. Now he just draws an empty bow, so I don't blame Adam at all for feeling responsible for the team's damage output.
and i think the "tank" wears a leather/metal light armor instead of a "heavy" armor. Maybe for the better mobility or resistances. And no shild.
Nothing is glowing/sparkling at all. Seems not epic or legendary equip.
@@legendaer05 Nah, he just used a transmog.
The arrows have invisibility enchantment on them.
it is outrages to think it wasnt planned! Alan is surely skilled in stealth or his bow/arrows has a special ability that mades the arrows invisible 😜
They're airrows.
As someone who typically plays as a dedicated healer, I can honestly say that the temptation to run in screaming is always present. 🥰
What game do you play.
And someone who typically play as a dedicated tank (Paladin preferably) i am standing ready To heal if the Healer does fall into temptation.
So accurate, it’s too exciting on the point
@@leowiseman1881 probably league
Sometimes as a healer you just have to be more a more effective DPS then the the dedicated DPS. I mean of no one else can do it right i guess you have to do all the work.
As a healer main in WoW back in the day, I felt the healer points about them should trying not to get hit. Some tanks just think they are immortal with heals on them.
If the tank dies, it's the healers fault.
If the healer dies, it's the tanks fault.
And if the DPS die, it's their own damned fault.
@@brendamayfuller8803 clearly you aren't a dps player, tank dies? Tank's fault. Healer dies? Tank's fault. other dps dies? Tank's fault. you die? Believe it or not, tank's fault
They practically are with all their DCDs, armor, and buffs
@@brendamayfuller8803 Sometimes it's the DPS fault. Like the healer is too busy healing stupid that the tank suffers. ETA: One of the worst kind of DPS, outside those who stand in stupid, are the ones who try and fight the boss as far away from the healer as possible, so the healer is scrambling to get in range of them.
@@Real_JKDOS that's pretty much only bdk and prot war
"don't stand in the fire pit" 😂 he's got a point there. There's usually 1 support to 3-5 other members. It's "support", not "god mode". 😂
But if im on the fire i will do more dps duh
@@mattbeckley9483 but if you're dead, your dps rate drops rapidly...
@@1989Azrael which you can fix by adding more heals/specing tankier. Doesn't work in every game, but it worked great for my raid group in gw2. Practically ignored every mechanic, super chill and relaxed clears and the clear times were even better than most groups attempting optimal tryhard speed clear strats.
The way Adam's voice cracks when he runs in screaming "Holy Dagger!!" makes me crack up every time. 🤣
no need to focus on healing if no one is hurt yet🤣
Samee 😂
I fully expected a "LEROYYYY JANKINSSS!!!!"
@@N2Otorious The sad thing is I heard leeeeroy Jenkins.
"Don't stand in the fire pit that the dragon created"
That is a solid point from a healers perspective, it is our job to keep you alive but you can help us out lol.
I was usually dps but I did play heals and playing with teammates that would pay attention and avoid standing in fire pits when possible and avoiding the really high damage attacks made it so much easier to keep them alive.
So easy that some times, I might even find a sec to select the boss and sneak a DOT spell in there lol.
Funny how he made a solid point then runs in first and agros the boss lol. Actually seen that happen in game, usually a DPS attacking before tank secured agro.
This could apply to a lot of games but I feel strongly that you play FFXIV. Correct me if I'm wrong.
aah yes i remember in wow classic in gnomeregan there where dwarves who dropped a mine i said to them to either defuse it or stay away...gues what happend?
Honestly, playing a healer… don’t pick the next fight when your healer is out of mana. Not a damn thing we can do at that point!
Abso-freaking-lutely. I guess it depends on the game but in FFXIV, too many tanks and DPS trying to maximize their rotation and stand in AOEs to do it, forcing the healer, who is also supposed to be doing damage by game design, to now top up those people after taking damage they shouldnt have taken in the first place.
Healing is absolutely a healers job. Its everyone's job not to take avoidable damage.
"I am a Healer, Because i find joy in deciding who lives and who dies"
Stupid people who stand in Avoidable damage Aoe's... Die.
That healer is clearly not happy with his working conditions anymore xD
Every moment of that was brilliant! When you see the punchline coming and it still makes you laugh out loud, that’s brilliant work.
The healer is helping already by not casting holy nova
It will be hilarious if he did for the sake of the video, or another video should the healer cooperate. Rowan would complain, "Goddammit, Adam, I told you to unlearn Holy Nova!"
ur wrong if its mists of pandaria
Hahahahaha
Good reference lol
I healed an entire raid run once with only Holy Nova. Good times.
This made me remember myself in wowclassic. moltencore bombing the imppacks. I was in there with the mages as a priest just so i could use holynova which was on a 30sec cooldown then. These used to be the good days 🤣.
When VLDL once again comes up with some completely ridiculous but also ridiculously funny scenario. Love you guys
.... have you heard of Leroy Jenkins? Love this skit, but it is definitely an alternate set up to that action.
this happens frequently so not that redic
Not really that ridiculous. Ive met quite a few players like that, even on fairly endgame content of MMO´s. You play long enough you´ll meet all kinds of crazies. Tanks who either think they can pull entire dungeon including all bosses and still be perfectly healed, or dont want to get hit, so they pop up aggro reducing abilities or start yelling at healers for heals everytime their health drops to 99%. DPS who either start damaging the boss before tank builds aggro, or stand in AoE effects then start bitching when healer doesnt have enough mana to heal/res them. Heals who think they are DPS or even tanks. Human factor in games is never ending source of amusement and inspiration for videos like these.
They didn't come up with that, that is everyday stuff in online gaming...they do bring it up perfectly though.
Tbh this isn't that ridiculous I usually play support classes and get either dragged into the fight or just get a little to confident and jump head first into the fight because "I'm doing so good healing let's try that thing I saw on someone's twitch highlight"
To be fair, most healers can relate to the tank/teammate taking unnecessary damage, running out of your healing reach, or trying to speedrun while you have like 5% mana left and not wait for you.
And that, my good fellows, is where the first stereotypes of pissed healers began.
I particularly dislike the out of healing reach part. Usually in dungeons I could deal with some unnecessary damage, and the mana shortage usually was manageable for one small fight, but seeing a tank or DPS going leeroy jenkins into combat really was the worst. Especially if you would get blamed afterwards for "not keeping up"...
@@jeffafa3096It's kinda tanks job to go leroy jenkins into a fight. But as someone who's mained tank from the first day I touched any MMORPG (it was Wow, during cataclysm.. I got a late start lol) - I'll also say its stupid to yeet into combat when the healer's mana is drained.
As a tank I'm the lead of the raid.. I'm in command of it.. and I'm not yeeting until ALL my heals are ready to go. Just like I wouldn't yeet myself into the next bit of combat with 25% hp lol
Can confirm, though, that if I'm a healer, I will always be looking for any opportunity to make an attack, even if I have just teeniest weeniest offensive spell available. "Oh everybody is 90% health, might just make a quick attack now....", a forever annoyance to my party mates.
"Do we go in?"
"No, we dont have a healer."
Very good point
"Its cool, I'm a Warrior and we have a Red Mage if things get really bad."
I've played D&D groups with no healers.. it SUCKS. I was the one that had to remind everyone that we needed health potions. They are so spendy too at low levels/ early campaign before you start getting insane amounts of money.
*respecs to holy paladin* It's okay guys, I can tank, heal, and out dps burst every one of you as the party of one.
I must agree with Adam though, that tank's job is not collecting every possible damage point, like standing in fire pit :) It begs for another episode with poor healer being abused by "MEDIC! MEDIC! MEDIC!" by stupid teammates :P
Great dragon, great costumes, great outro!
...Team Fortress...
Yes! We need that
well no not to stand in obvious kill pits, but to keep the threat of the boss for sure
well duh, in most game it needed to stand, generate "hate" n make the boss stand still rather than runnin around n messing around the boss..
if u are shit healer just say it so the guild can find or make another member create healer character n kik u out.
@@joulmn depends on the game, if the tank is going to ignore the mechanics of the boss and just stand still then you need new tanks not a new healer
I love how a video supposedly pointing out a bad healer gets the whole comment section to defend his statement about tanks not trying to take more damage. Many valid points made in the comments and I wholeheartedly agree, having played both tank and healer.
Yep. I haven't seen a single comment so far that 100% agrees with VLDL's point, just a lot of "Well yes, but..."
Though it's true that it goes both ways. Maybe the next video will be about the tank's flaws, and then the dps
just another argument from a lazy healer. just learn to heal
Yeah, I main tanks in a lot of RPG’s. People underestimate how important it is to have a tank that is smart and can make good calls for when to take a hit and when it is time to reposition. That can be the difference between winning with heals to spare, or dying because the resources required to heal everyone is just too high. I hate when I see a tank that just sits in aoe dots for no good reason.
There are legitimate strategies where the Tank is to just take the damage while being kept alive by the Healer, and the rest of the group does the boss kill.
@@imkluu I don't know of any games where you have to take damage to keep the aggro on you, usually its a combination of being the first in its sight or to attack it and taunt skills so the DPS doesn't get targeted from their damage output. The only reason to tank damage is if moving would put someone else in the line of its attacks or ruin any backstab mechanics. But there is a limit to how much healing a healer can reasonably do even if healing at max efficiency. So a tank should avoid damage whenever possible.
Rewached it several times just to watch Adams response to straight questions. Somehow he managed his response exactly in between "yes" and "no". Breathtaking, really. Genius.
I laughed so hard since I’ve played a healer/buffer in an mmorpg. I can’t tell you how many hatemails I got that started off with, “You did know you were supposed to heal/buff us right?” Etc etc.
“Why yes, I know but you did stand in the AoE and didn’t budge and/or there were others in the party I had to rescue, right?” Lolololol
Standard response for that is "I can't heal stupid"
@@edgibbs2794 That’s the response I said in my head! What I said in reality was,”Oh I’m SO sorry I missed you dying over on THAT side of the boss. I didn’t know you could stand over there! I’ll double check next time!” 🤣
If they're out of aoe heal range or take avoidable damage, they can tank the floor for a while.
@@MyVanir “tank the floor for a while” had me rolling on the floor!!!
When i die because the healer can't heal me its
"shit shit shit shit FUCK!
sorry healer i couldn't get out of the sea of flames in time"
I like how the dragon was just sitting there waiting for them to be ready... very polite!
Very sporting of him wasn't it? 😂😂
Dragons are generally made to be intelligent: unlike Adam. He was just trolling them by not attacking while they strategized, it didn't make a diff to him.
He’s a very respectful evil Dragon
It's RPG logic, the dragon didn't see them yet, they don't aggro until you get within range.
New Zealand dragons are very kind and polite!
"HOOOLY DAGGER"
Got me laughing harder than it has any right to
Hmmm, run in with Holy Dagger or blind everyone with Holy Nova?
I heard holy diver 🤘
got me singing dio....
As long they have 1 HP left it's good enough.
After that it's the Necromancer's job. :D
A fellow healer of FFXIV I presume? XD
@@darkblood1192 healer on cleric stance
@@Theprofessorator Or a puppet master, demon summoner, harvester or death wizard. Basically anyone with the talent to mutate the dead bodies
The only hit point that truly matters.
Props to the CGI team! That was a beautiful dragon. Also this was just hilarious- then again, the healers are usually the least appreciated member of the group.
Wait, the dragon is CG?
@@rh4009 Oh certainly not! The dragon was real, but he was playing a dragon who died thirty years ago, so they had to superimpose the face.
@@michaelwintermantel9127 as the VFX artist, I can confirm this - 100% accurate.
They would be more appreciated if they played there role lol
@@shaanysully9908 my experience as any and all roles is that the healer typically gets blamed no matter who is actually at fault. The dps gets in a bad situation- "the healer should have healed me". The tank stands in avoidable aoe? "Just heal more". It's really a thankless job in many cases. You do your job right? Everyone blames you anyway. You make a slight mistake? Well you're the whole reason we lost the match. I play all roles fairly evenly, but regardless of who's healer this pattern is a common occurrence- even for seasoned healer mains
I am 100% siding with adam at first, until he throw that "holy dagger" skill.
I was like.. "oh... that's why..."
I want to find out more about dubious sounding "Holy" spells.
I think its OK since no dmg at start..
Just why he go First and become Tank + Dps and die as Healer... 😂
@@dRanzark no, you save your mana for healing, and removing debuffs. putting debuffs on enemy is good too. If I see a healer use mana for damage, I just leave the group. I don't even tell people why anymore, not worth my time to explain.
@@growthisfreedomunitedearth7584 What MMO are you talking about? I have played quite a few and in every one the sign of a good healer is knowing how to balance healing and dps
@@growthisfreedomunitedearth7584 depends heavily on what game youre talking about. Ffxiv for instance, healers can, should and are in fact expected to do damage to maximum extent practical while keeping everyone alive. The fights are even tuned to account for healer dps, and in current content (stuff you havent just outgeared yet), your party is going to struggle really hard to meet dps checks if the healers don't contribute a reasonable amount.
Adam's "my man" response to Rowan may have made me laugh more than anything from VLDL ever.
dude it was pure gold
To be fair - the job of tank is not to take damage, it is to take and keep Aggro while avoiding as much damage as possible
wrong. its to get hit and keep aggro. keeping arrgo means getting hit. obviously you dodge pools of acid and fire. but you need to mitigate the damage
@@petemilesi4226 aggro doesnt work that way, you must deal damage so you increase threat or use tank specific abilities that taunt or increase threat. Tanks in mmos do pretty okay damage as a result of the threat mechanic although yes it is not comparable to pure dps.
In pvp games, on the other hand, tanks typically have cc abilities and big health pools but low damage. Their job is to engage using those cc abilities or mitigate damage or cc of the enemy team.
@@somekindofdude1130 in wow pvp every class has high cc except for the one you're playing
@@petemilesi4226 You don't need to get hit to keep aggro.
@@petemilesi4226 That might depend on the game, no MMO i've ever played resulted in aggro growth from taking damage.
It's like the Patrick wallet meme.
"So you're a healer"
H: "yes"
"You speced into healing, right?"
H: "that's correct"
"Then heal us!"
H: "Holllly dagggeerrrr"
That is so funny that you thought about that 😂 but it’s true!
Ahh to the days of molten core... Shadow priest top couple in both dps and heal.
@@als8518 That's probably because you had shite rogues :)
@@DraconisNL and shite healers 😅
In this time i would be kicked out of the raid if a Shadow priest would had >hps than a holy/dicipline priest. But Shadow was only in the fun raids tolerated.
sort of like the druid in DnD , "so you have healing spells"
yes
"and you use them however you like?"
yes
"and you have tons of support spells?"
yes
"why is your class primarily focused on damage?"
because in beta testing, when they actually allowed us to be good, we were too good and we're one of few classes to not be penalized for using summoned creatures
Adam: "LEROY JENKINS!!!!!!!!"
Alan: "Omg he just ran in."
The ending scream is the closest recreation of wilhelm scream I've ever heard
The best part is when the healer ends up being the DPS and outplays everyone.
Or a healer tank, who just outheals the damage he's taking.
I’ve been in many raids. Some of the best moments is when a boss is on 1% and the dps all die. Then the healer smites it to death just as the tanks die. Epic moment!
Opposite for me…instead of killing a boss who was at 1% he decided to go use regen on a dps and by time he healed both were knocked out 😕
Had a Dungeon Master in DnD that surprised us by having the animalistic bad guys attacks tanks but when we got to the more intelligent baddies they would target the spell casters and Clerics first. The first few times that happened we had to run like heck. It's always a bit fun when the bad guys can legitimately surprise you from time to time.
If it were FFXIV, the discussion would be the other way around
Healer: "I'm a healer, I'm going to focus on healing."
Party: "Stop wasting our time and start dealing damage!"
A healer only needs to heal as much as needed to prevent people from dying. Any remaining resources of time and mana should be put into dealing damage, thus saving everyone time.
"A healer's job is not necessarily to heal the party but rather to keep them alive."
"DPSing is just mitigating future damage." - JoCrap
Can confirm, and it's great
Blood for the Blood Lily
Aye. It just annoys me when I throw up a regen on a teammate that's at like 50%-60% hp only for my partner healer to immediately throw up a big heal on them. It's like......dude, that Bard wasn't going to die any time soon, why waste the time and mana like that? Just let the regen do its thing. But I guess a lot of people have hp anxiety.
@@Gofr5 heh reminds me of my necro healer in guildwars - my philosophy was: i will throw as much overkill healing on you as you want...so long as you keep murdering shit... if you fail at your job, i dont get energy and then i will have to reap your souls to heal the rest of the team that does their job better XD
not the most economic...but very refreshing and hey, if your resources are basically limitless why not right? in general it works after all XD
@@Gofr5 Sounds like your team mate made sure the person wasn't going to die from heavy damage ahead of time in case it happened, and you could have saved the resources/casting time and used it for something else. reasons why communication helps.
Meanwhile in FFXIV:
"Look just because you're a healer doesn't mean you can't also do damage at the same time!"
Also sort of applies to ffXV, but more so "Prompto, I'm running out of potions, stay back!!" Noctus does massive damage but also has to focus on heals
I remember being a Leaf in Sastasha and people calling me out for not using my damage spells regulary enough already.
I’m a final fantasy 14 WHTM and I get this a lot, when this happens I try to do damage this results in me getting less MP and when they need heals I try to heal them and then I am left with no MP usually when we’re fighting a boss then they tell me to not do damage cause I’m not healing enough like wtf that’s contradictory
@@FFXFanforever100 I'm Sage main, when people get all nervous cause I am attacking so much I have to laugh at them. Half my healing comes from shooting lasers at the enemy. I mean I could attack less but....ya gonna die.
in all fairness, this only applies to savage raid, anything else doesn't really matter, and i know they appreciate my healing alot, especially with the new tier, many healers already quitted - ast main with chicken suit glamour
That Leroy Jenkins homage never gets old.
The most rowan thing adam has ever done was the walking around giving confirmation part😂
How did no one notice Adam nearly flawlessly mimiced the Wilhelm Scream?
I immediately hit 'J' to listen to it again, just to see if they'd used the original. Kudos to Adam for so closely matching it!
I didn’t intend on that - but go me! 🤩
A dam shame it was overlooked.
@@VivaLaDirtLeague So we know who answers these comments. Hi Adam. Eugene is one of my favorite NPCs.
Wow that was a very good Wilhelm scream, bravo
Every healer eventually comes to a point where they just don't want to look at little green bars anymore.
I enjoy the little red bars. The littler the better. Makes them appreciate the heals more
I’ve played a game where health was blue. It was weird but I wasn’t watching little green or even red bars 😂
@@Fektthis "Ze healing is not as rewarding as Ze hurting" - TF2 Medic
*sniiiiiiff* [healer procedes to sniff a green line of ground up healing herbs instead]
That's why you make a dps alt character.
This was going to go one of two ways. Either Adam was going to dps when he said he would heal, or he was going to only heal and they would die with the dragon at like.. 5% health and they would complain because he didn't help with the damage at all.
He could also have done nothing and they'd be like, "why is our health depleting so fast!? Why is the tank dead!!!!!!???"
As one of the few healers in the old 40 man raids. I had to laugh at this one! we always had one, who thought healing was his second priority.
Then why did they make holy fire dual use?! WHY?!
"Yeah, but, I can do both! I got a staff"
*looks innocent* I can not believe a healer would try that.
What game did you play?
@@freedomfinancial World of Warcraft
As the designated healer 90% of the time, I have to somewhat side with Adam on the point of Rowan taking less damage. One day I got fed up with our tank saying they couldn't take less damage so I hopped on my tank (same class) and told them to heal, on any class they liked. We then ran the scenario again and I was the only one who the new healer didn't have to heal, cause I new what damage mitigation the class had and how the fights went. Ya...I never ran with them again as they were just pissed at me after...for not wanting to tank for them.
I mean, some tanks have better damage mitigation than others depending on the game. Some tanks are literally mostly lifepoints tanks that do some DPS, others focus on absorbing damage and even healing themselves a bit, and even others focus on debuffs and interruptions...
It depends on the game too. When I played ff14, no matter how far away you ran, any damage targeted at you would hit you, as long as you were close enough for the enemy to start the attack. Some games make it literally impossible to evade damage. But mostly, I agree with you. Part of the reason I never play healer. It's a stressful job, but mostly I suck at timing anything.. especially heals.
@@hellborne7995 That is true, you can't get rid of all damage, but a tank that knows the fight really well and what their class options are can do a lot to reduce the damage they take. For example, in Haukke Manor, the final boss has some frontal aoes that aren't telegraphed, so it's possible to stand behind the boss to avoid the hit. There are also many bosses with "tank killer" attacks that do massive damage, so a tank that knows what to look for will time their mitigation for that, or have interrupts ready for specific attacks. Some telegraphs that do so little damage that a tank might stay in it in order to not move the boss. On the other hand, FFXIV is designed to be so easy that tanks that don't do any of that will be fine, and healers can easily keep up with it.
On some games, a good tank can solo easy, it could take forever to kill the mob, but the survivality can make you stay in the area almost forever. On the old times of Ragnarok Online I could solo some MVP's wiith a Lord Knight with the right strategy.
Tanking is not only become in front of enemy taking every single hit. You need to know the right time to move, arrond, retract and even the time to flee way. A good tank with a good healer almost become an imortal being, a bad tank with a good healer is just a shield that eventualy will broke.
I 100% don’t believe you.
Love how they stay out of aggro range while the dragon does what the dragon is supposed to do- sit there and wait.
Group: "Are you gonna heal us?"
Adam: "Oh you know it!"
[Group Takes 1 step forward]
Adam: "HOLY NOVA!!!!!"
Group: "Awwwwwe Son-of-a...... Can't see!"
Screaming eye scorcher!!!!!!
I love it that the conversation at the beginning of the video could have been ripped right out of a mmo. It was not just a little funny text to prepare the joke but both sides making valid points.
You guys are really amazing.
dude the healer got a point tho. you don't need to take all the damage just take aggro
Hang on Hang on Hang on!
Are you telling me, the TANK, that i should m-m-m-Move out of *harms way* ?!
That is outrageous!
That healer didn't have the right to make that point, because he was trash.
Yes! Move! Like a *NORMAL PERSON!*
@@ForemostCrab7 aye
Literally the reason tanks have taunts
Me: "Focuses on healing actually."
Tank: "dies"
Me: Well at this point CLEARLY I'm not the problem.
Out of mana
- Tank= heal me
Give me potions
-Tank= Nah
Y'all rallied on this one. Something felt fresh and good about this sketch.
The acting felt a level or 2 better.
The costumes looked great. Rowan's cape really pops in that outfit.
CGI looked great.
Rowan looks like he's been hitting the gym or something.
Adam's expressions were killing me.
Britt's timing and delivery were great.
Alan🙌 You're quality🙌Change nothing🙌
Why thank you 😍😍
Adam is literally my friend in every game.
"Ill hold this corner while you check the bodies"
10 secs later...
I get shot and he's in a completelt different builddding looting
Yeah, basically either do the thing you said you were gonna do, or don't say you're gonna do it.
Had this... year or two ago during a community game night - Fortnite being the game of choice - where it was three of us constantly reminding a fourth to dial the enthusiasm back... Shit you not, we'd land a place, spend a min looting and early game combat and the next thing any of us knows he's in the next Location shooting at a whole other team.
When you have a healer who occasionally mixes in to be a dealer, your party is doing exceptionally well ... so long as none of them drop in the process.
Ah, when your healer is suicidal ... that's GGs, new party.
You didn't knock back an arrow at the end, Alan. You didn't think we'd see, but we did. Maybe heals isn't the only thing wrong with the party, Alan.
Holy dagger, you're right! A real quiver with real arrows and he completely ignores the props
Just like how Alan heals by throwing a bucket of healing that will “not” miss.
Yes. The bug they stood on during the battle was fit and ready for action.
Correction. That’s Greg’s bucket of healing
"Roll 1d20+ uhhh... since I don't have the rule book out right now lets say slight of hand."
"What the hell you know that's my worst skill! I'm a healer m8! I don't even have it as an option!"
"Fine, your right. Strait do... 1d20+dex and you can add your divine favor if you want."
"..."
"What?"
"Fuck you, It's my dump stat!"
"Well, deal with it!"
"Fine... ... ... it's a 4."
"Okay you somehow managed to let go of the bucket filled with water and hit the one you indend to heal with the bottom part, roll 1d4 for damage."
"Do I need to add any of my bonuses and my strength to that?"
"...You do now."
"Okay, sorry. 4+3 for my strength bonus and another for my racial trait... and... Oh right the bonus from divine favor adds another 1d4... that's another 4... Yea he dead."
"...I hate you guys..."
I got yelled at one time I was pugging a raid in WoW. I was a priest and the raid lead called me out on Vent that my heals were at the bottom of of the list of healers and why was I doing so much dps? I was spec'd shadow and joined as a dps...
ive done that too shadow priest is a lot of fun I was in a raid one time as dps shadow priest and ended up out healing the holy priest while still doing damage lol
One of the best in a while. Wonderfully written, and a very simple, relatable scenario
When your healer is better at DPSing than the DPS and yet keeps up with the healing its pretty glorious haha
I had to do the opposite. I was speced for DPS, though I had healing spells that I mostly used on me. Was in a group where the healer was useless. With my two healing spells I kept the group alive and was doing so much damage that the tank couldn't keep agro as he also sucked. That was the worse experience of my mmo life. When we finally won I had to take a break. Only time that ever happened. Usually if the healer or tank sucked, I died.
@You're Gonna Hate This Nobodies fault but the DPSs that they dont know what they are doing. You cant blame the person who knows what they are doing for being good at what they do. Thats just silly.
Hahah it is. Ripping on DPS is great. It does pull alot of aggro to have heals and DMG going out though. But again this is only if you have a shit group. But generally any class that doesn't do their job is annoying. Tanks that don't pull aggro or watch the group. DPS that start fights or couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. And the useless healers that don't heal forcing you to make a healing character only to not find tanks forcing you to make a tank. Aww the good ol' days. Now it's all eat zee bugs.
Agreed.
The battle mercy mains in og overwatch were where it's at
The way Adam's trying to avoid eye contact and makes noises, I swear Rowan hacked into his account.
You need one about the tank that decides to run ahead without actually making sure he's actually arggo'd everything first, before leaving everybody else behind to get ganked by trash mobs.
I second this!
EQ days my nickname was the conductor. Choo Choo.
@@davidhawthorne652 lol
@@Comicsluvr 👍
Or one about a DPS getting mad at the tank when they run in ahead of the tank and pull too much.
I remember playing EQ2. My girlfriend for the time was a healer. And apart of being the best healer in our clan, she was always in top10 DPS.
What they need is to party with Ben as the fabulous role-player because he'd be completely stoked to heal them. (As the Light demands!)
As a Main Tank for several years I definitely know the feeling of creeping around with 20% HP, carefully cycling through all the Defensive Cooldowns, while the healer is trying to sequeeze as many damage skills into his GCD's as possible. I originally thought that you would go for something like that - with the healer standing in the back, doing spells and telekinesis to damage the boss, while the tank is sweating blood and water to survive, only to barely survive the boss fight - and the healer says "Well, that wasn't too hard." in the end.
The fight is that much more thrilling when you barely survive it, yes? Thanks healer for keeping us on our toes
my dude that shit is hard, we aren't only healing you dude. the whole party is being attacked, ourselves included. i havent even played any mmos for awhile now but "im feeling attacked right now"
If the healer DPS's, your hp drops low, but nobody dies....then the healer did their job perfectly. If people die because of late/slow heals because the healer was dpsing (and not because they rolled around in the fire like an idiot) then the healer fucked up. The healer's job isn't to make you win the fight as healthy as possible, the healer's job is to make you win the fight. You may not appreciate this comment today, but if you lose to an enrage timer on a raid enough time then you'll get it. ALL DPS matters, including the healer.
The only important hit point is the last one.
I have to say that's a big win for the tank for a tank's pride and skill are being tested to survive against both the boss and incapable teammates. 🤣
The holy dagger squeal killed me 😆 🤣
I was expecting Adam to throw out some damage spells and run out of mana by the time the tanks and DPS needed heals, resulting in a party wipe :D
lol missed opportunity
next time perhaps
I did, too, but have to say, been a few times I've been tempted to do that.
This is more satisfying, as it's only the bad-behaving member who's overtly screwed.
I was expecting him not to do damage and the boss to wipe them since the dps check wasn't met.
I like how adam tuns into an npc when they try to get an answer
Was feeling pretty shitty until I watched this... Put a smile on my face, even though I didn't really want to smile.
Thanks, VLDL 😊
I love the subtitles at 0:25 about how Adam "spec'd into heels". Very nice :D
I started off playing a tank early on, but after doing just a few groups I got tired of dying and switched to heals -- and never went back. I became very in-demand when I was online. It seems that I was actually healing and keeping people alive. lol
Lol I experienced that too, with the healer role. I'm always in demand for some reason xD queue time averages around 1-2 minutes while other classes would sometimes take 10
Paladin: can take dmg, can do dmg, can cast shield, and can heal "let me solo her"
hahaha do not forget the can also do buff and is basically immune to debuff in some games.
wait till you meet a death knight
@@dinilmusick paladins rules good paladin can heal at dungeon entire group while dk only himself.that why this new solo queue group match tanks and healer have thier own setup but paladin tank can match up only another paladin tanks becouse of thier of heal and cover not copmparable to other tanks.
@@kazokazo172 A good DK doesn't need a group.
@@somerandomguy4240 a good DK can make his own group… 😆
"If the tank dies, it's the healer's fault.
If the healer dies, it's the tank's fault.
And if the DPS dies, it's the DPS' fault."
Standard idiom for LotRO where DPS could grab the aggro from the tanks if they weren't careful.
As a former Lotro DPS I feel that idiom deep in my soul. And yes you can pull aggro off the tank VERY easily.
Started playing LotRO as a red hunter recently, and I know this too well 😭 Our main tank has learned not to give me a damage buff against anything other than a boss, or I'll pull half the group off him and end up splitting the healer's attention between us, and it's an all around disaster.
If I die, it's the fault of the healer.
If I pull aggro, it's the tank's fault.
If I don't do enough damage it's because my class is always getting nerfed.
That's the modern MMO mentality.
lol that saying has been around since vanilla wow, if not longer
the "goddammit" delivery at the end had me crying laughing
Seems Adam went insane from healing the team standing in fire. I'd say they deserved it. :)
🤓
Onyxia raid be like.
Yep! Were this ffxiv, everyone would be ticked at everyone but the healer. Lol
Man this brings me back to FFXI online days, .... Getting all the way to a boss after a good dungeon, and our main healer had to leave, got thee WORST healer known to man (a friend of a friend) just constantly letting us die whilst he did stupid shit and broke chains of limit breaks! Couldn't tell him though! In denial that he wasn't the issue
accurate as always VLDL! 😅
Next one should be: When the Dps thinks that they won't need a Tank because they think that their damage will burst the boss before they get into any sort of danger
*Proceeds to get one-shotted by the boss before Tank gets aggro*
YES
This is me in Destiny. I always think I can kill the boss before it hits me and I never can and I never learn. XD
Some games I play have this scenario - boss can be killed by dps only. But when those people come to play normal mode ... You can make 20 movies out of that.
Toram Online Moment
Or impatient dps who run away from the tanks so the tanks can't draw aggro away from them resulting in them getting killed.
The tank's job is to prent allies from being attacked. How that looks is game dependent, and blocking everything with your face is not usually the optimal way to achieve that.
That's exactly what a DPS Healer would say. Dude just focus on healing, it's not that hard :)
I like their costumes, it's not overly flashy and looks realistic.
I can't quite tell if that's a real Willhelm Scream, or if somebody on the team just really nailed it. Top notch skit as usual, though!
Definitely not a Wilhelm scream
That's an Adam scream. It's his specialty.
And the annoying sobbing:
"Ehh-heee, eh-hee!"
@@sheilamartin880 I think it was a one of fluke of excellence that they've kept since. Also, wasn't it Alan?
@@FaultAndDakranon no it's Adam and he can do the scream on cue anytime.
I love how this group nails RPG logic. Anyone that's plays games are watching this saying " yeah I had that happen before"
Are you telling me these guys might actually play video games
@@jackalakkin I'm implying that if you play video games you can relate to this.
People need to know how important you are as a healer. We control what happens "insert evil laugh"
Ok but to be fair, playing Overwatch as Battle Mercy was super fun, nobody expected DPS out of a Mercy, just like nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
I saw a guild whose name was "Blame the heals", lol. I am a ranged dps at heart, but often times will play a healer character. I have played healer quite a few end game dungeons and instances in a handful of games. I still do not consider myself as all that great, but was asked plenty of times to do the dungeons. I would recommend for those that desire to be dps-heals, just treat the damage to party members as dps. You will be basically dps-ing the damage. That mindset helps a lot, and could work for you. I found that approach to be very helpful in developing a decent heals/dps character.
Attack the missing health!
I totally expected Adam to yell, "Leeroy Jenkins!!!!" While running out.
Please tell me you have a version of this.
Same, I was kinda disappointed when he didn't.
Yes there is a Leroy Jenkins version skit of this.
@@Im_Not_From_Around_Here from these guys? Do you have a link?
@@DanCounihan th-cam.com/video/vu0W5SdNuis/w-d-xo.html i literally wrote "viva la dirt league leeroy" in searchbar
Nevermind!
Found it
th-cam.com/video/vu0W5SdNuis/w-d-xo.html
What he didn't tell them is that he his dagger was +10 against dragons, he cast divine agility on himself, and he was wearing an ice cloak with fire resistance. He was setting up this surprise epic solo victory the whole time.
he died
@@marshallmykietyshyn4973 You don't see him die.
This was his moment to shine, and shine he did.
@@aeon5566Rowan and Alan confirmed his death. Adam also screamed in agony before the fact🤦
@@IamSimplyHim I see, I tend to skip the last scenes because they're usually just a sales pitch for the channel. Most healer classes in games come with elemental wards/immunities so I honestly wasn't expecting this to happen.
Wait isn’t it that guy from that tv ad ? - wow these guys must also be very talented actors as well as adventurers
what ad?
@@potatokilr7789 yes
@@potatokilr7789 Alan was in a new zealand ad recently, i think for a car or something? He was on tv, i was pretty excited haha
My time as a healer ended when I caught a stun. Naturally I can't heal anybody when I'm stunned, and we lost the fight. So they all dumped on me, and I quit the team. I also quit being the healer forever, because screw abusive D-bags who won't even listen--or don't even care--why things aren't going their way because obviously screaming at the healer is going to make everything go perfect every time.
yes, or the tank suddenly storming off while you are still using mana flask to get ready and he is suddenly around a corner out of direct view. Gosh.. wonder why i couldn't heal you?
"Why didn't you heal me?"
Because:
1. you didn't protect me, and I died
2. You stormed off and I couldn't find you
3. You went too close to a boss/arena, or flew up a stupid tower, and were out of range
4. I ran out of heals because you stood in the AOE and took 9 million damage more than I can repair
Funny videos, and educational, too. As a strong introvert, I only do single-player games and missions and skip anything that would force me to get a party, so I don't really know how it works. Bu seeing these, I feel happier with my choices being on my own in the gaming world.
He should scream "Lerooooy Jenkins!" 😂
Whilst I always enjoy Adams acting, I felt the script was written with Byron in mind here. Adam was even pulling off his mannerisms.
Who is Byron; the guy with the lisp?
@@automaticninjaassaultcat3703 So, none of the 69420 identical brothers of Targrim, Vargrim, Ptagrim, Ugrim, etc are healers at all?
@@kevgmei The Short Ginger Gentleman.
He's the delivery boy in the Bored series.
The one with the deep voice,blue eyes and lisp is Hamish.
@@aldente3868 Ah, aight
I love how the whole Viva crew emulates Rowan when they want to act like an arse.
Rowan is really showing leadership
@@randomperson5512 That's why he's the Manager ;)
Ironically, I'm a healer in ESO and some experienced players told me that I should be able to DPS too.
Yup. I stopped playing Heal in ESO and went Self Sufficient DD.
Stamina-based SS-DPS Dragon Knight is my go-to for solo play. Wipes everything including some world bosses.
@@user-ll3gt8jj3c StamDK Redguard.
"how about you don't stand in the fire"
as a healer i can relate...