The answer is it never stops. People with this opinion seem to always want an apology and to be a victim. They don’t want equality they want superiority.
Both are a lie. I don't want your damn apology because the I'll treatment is never going to stop. I want my people to get the reparations owed to them and for nonblacks to quit making excuses as to why we don't deserve it. The fact that it upsets you so much lets me know that you know we do deserve reparations. It's not a handout. It's what this country owes us. And it will only stimulate the country's economy for those who think all we're going to do is spend it. Isn't that what money is for, at least partly?
I could listen to Douglas Murray for hours on end. He explains things so clearly and really knows his history, plus I agree with his comments. It's time to move on and try and improve the future, and stop dwelling on the past.
Screw the "move on from the past" tropes. The fact is reparations make absolutely no sense. An person who isn't a victim of a transgression is owed money from a person who isn't responsible for that transgression? It doesn't make any sense under any criteria, including legal ones. Civil claims are always the exact opposite: a specific person is the victim of a specific transgression by a specific person, and thus deserves compensation.
Today's generation shouldn't be blamed for what our forefathers did. It doesn't mean that we are all bad. The young black generation are not treated like their ancestors were (thank goodness). We should never forget history (good or bad), but aren't there enough problems in the world which we should be trying to solve. E.g. poverty, climate change, better recycling etc. etc.
@@shirleystein2347 Wow, those are the problems you thought to bring up to the forefront as what we should try to fix? Not actual problems like black fathers abandoning their families, inner city gangs and Baltimore's horrible school system that has a 0% math proficiency?
Civilized world lol😅😅,based on killing millions of innocent people ,taking their land ,enslave them ,taking their wealth .what kind of civilization this is evil .you need to stop this west hypocrisy .ask the First Nation in US Canada Australia then you will know how civilized you really are!!!!😢
Honestly I'm tired of the black vs white debate over a form of slavery that happened ages ago. However slavery still exists, its just been modernized as taxes, bills, laws, penal codes, etc. Americans and many others are forced to pay to live in society. If we choose not to partake in society and live freely we're put in prisons thus creating forced labor. If we haven't "paid our debts" then for some stupid reason it falls to our descendants who would eventually suffer the same fate. That's textbook Chattel Slavery definition. I won't be subjecting my lineage to such a fate. Its time to unite the people.
As a Danish man, this disgusts me. Imagine if people from England, Scotland, Ireland, France, or Spain came after me, demanding that I paid for reparations for what my great ancestors did to theirs during the Viking era. Ridiculous.
Shes is payed to always speak the narrative of what ever Piers Morgan disagrees with, you can see on her face she is a liar and a manipulative scum bag.
Never apologize for something you didn't do. They want you to take the blame for the sins of others so they have someone to bill for their fake damages.
Exactly plus White people where the ones who were the first to formally but an end to slavery first in Britain, then in France then finally the USA. As Douglass and a movie called the sound of freedom have shown slavery is still being practiced in by black people in Africa and there are more slaves over there now in the present then there ever was in the US/
I’m a progressive liberal democrat. I don’t owe ANYONE an apology. And there is NO ONE today that deserves any apology for anything! I’m sick of hearing these people take up the “mantle” of “pain” they have never experienced. Reparations? NEVER!
Honestly I'm tired of the black vs white debate over a form of slavery that happened ages ago. However slavery still exists, its just been modernized as taxes, bills, laws, penal codes, etc. Americans and many others are forced to pay to live in society. If we choose not to partake in society and live freely we're put in prisons thus creating forced labor. If we haven't "paid our debts" then for some stupid reason it falls to our descendants who would eventually suffer the same fate. That's textbook Chattel Slavery definition. I won't be subjecting my lineage to such a fate. Its time to unite the people.
And yet today's British taxpayers, who had no personal involvement with slavery, were on the hook until recently for paying off British public debt incurred when the government compensated slaveowners in order to abolish and set slaves free. Murray knows this but such historical facts would get in the way of his grifting.
It was the Portugese they went to Ghana looking for the gold of Ashantis and started stealing human beings from neighboring Nigeria some black people were hired and ended up being sold too.
@@undermysaviour Interesting, but nevertheless , some black people stepped up for the job , no ? They were paid ( or promised payment) to enslave other black people and sell them.
@@NonConformistable free money? But didnt European countries get free money from free labor for hundreds of yrs for enslaving a ppl and taking them from families. How is that fair when european countries made trillions from Slavery but blk ppl still suffering today especially in america when blk Ppl are still being killed n lynched by caucasians and the fact that caucasians/white mobs burned down n destroyed dozens upon dozens of blk towns and killed children and stole their land. Would u say that’s fair or are u just being bias
@mars6541 No because when you start that it never ends it was a messed up thing in the past but it was in the past we are in the present as a black man I say we focus on the here and now
@@7spider391 what ur saying is f**k whatever happen to your ancestors as long as u were never a slave u should get Justice for what they did to your ppl. Thats cold
She's the type that would stub her toe on the pavement & any white person within 100 meters would be blamed for it & she would demand reparations for it aswell
Notice how she doesn't demand an apology from Muslims or Africans, just from white people. She's a classic race huckster, we got them all over America, she isn't fooling anyone. Should have asked her "Who ended the international slave trade?" Answer: The British Empire. Not Islam and not black Africans, they fought to maintain it. White people ended it!
You have to understand they do it because you don't have work hard or develop oneself to be a victim , in fact moment you do you lose it so you can see why it has been so addictive seducing many to do most despicable things often denying existence of their clearly visible shadow side...
You are embarrassed, and we are victims, what your ancestors did, we are still living with, your embarrassment comes from how you have changed us, how we speak, music, culture, our behaviour. We are victim's of slavery, you are embarrassed. Humanity is not liked, eBook series 'Religion Separates Man From God.'
@@justiceriser8970 Could not agree more, The Trans Atlantic slave trade is in the past, is still with us today, driving the apologies that trouble Piers. Pretty sure our poor behaviour today also has its roots in our poor behaviour in the past. How many Ukrainians will be killed today, How many Russians will be killed today. Humanity is not liked, eBook series 'Religion Separates Man From God.'
She wants an apology, when she has never spent as much as a single second as a slave and would never have met anyone in her family who has. I don't recall who said it, but the quote is something like, "You were never a slave and I never owned slaves. I don't owe you anything".
The problem is that she's equating culpability with apology. She NEEDS compensation for a wrong that didn't happen to her from a person that didn't actually do the wrong. She also ignores the millions of people who have been wronged by millions of other bad human actions. Slavery wasn't just a black thing, warfare, genocide; as well as simple exclusion and society bias. Since that never ends, apologies will continue endlessly.
What is your justification for this behavior? Is it wrong and can it be applied to others?👇 New German reparations for Jews The new agreement signed by German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble with the head of the Jewish Compensation Organization Julius Berman at the headquarters of the Jewish Museum in Berlin, is the third compensation agreement that Germany is bound towards Jews who are victims of the so-called Nazi Holocaust, since the 1952 Luxembourg Agreement and a second agreement followed in
No.. Slavery isn't just a black thing. Agreed... However, it's the only one not properly recorded and the only one where one race, not nationality has enslaved another to that effect... Whites enslaved whites etc. Yes Africans sold there own people, that's another issue, but whites enslaved blacks... And before you jump and say Chinese and Japanese.. Again both Asian...
She is ok driving a car, using english, washing her cloths in a washing machine, living in a house, using electronic all white man invented things. Black people (no offence) have contributed literally nothing in technology and invention We use every day. The only place I see black people creating and profiting from is the music industry but I cant think of anything else.
I'm northern Irish where we are still working things out and seeking to move forwards after pains inflicted in our community are still fairly recent and raw. If our focus now was on getting endless apologies and blame game we wouldn't get too far - speaking on a community level where we aree making progress. Unfortunately our government is a bit more stuck as an example of what I'm talking about. Doing those things would hurt me as an individual as well as community. Yes we remember, we teach the history and we focus on not repeating and getting stuck. But healing is something comes from within, not from relying on the external actions of others around of you.
Theres a dangerously slippery slope in this trap..... the moment an apology is issued you assume responsibility on a real and direct level. It no longer becomes a historical lesson, but rather a starting point for the discussion of reparations, manipulative guilting and ownership. An apology is not so innocent anymore. Especially if you didn’t do anything.
As a black person myself, I'm sick and tired of the argument. If one is going to instant on reparations, why not go to where it all began, the parts of Africa which enslaved and traded their own, or as Douglas mentioned go after those within the Arab slave trade...? It's completely disingenuous, and so much easier to play on white guilt than seek true accountability!
@@mars6541 From Africans, why not? If those who traded their own people AND enslaved them also, then they should pay reparations if whites were expected to do so, even though the majority did not own slaves themselves, this seems to be an all white affair somehow. California has apparently paid out in some areas there, even though it was never a slave state!
@@mars6541 Do you think Asian and Arab nations need to make amends for their crimes against humanity? I mean Genghis Kahn did some terrible shit during the 1200's, long before Europeans started effing around on other continents, and he has 16 million descendants today, I think all descendants of Mongol and Turkic tribes in Mongolia and southern Siberia should be looking to them to make amends 🙃
Are all the black people responsible for the six black men that got out of their car and beat up a elderly white woman in San Francisco? No of course not. Being a color does not make you responsible for what others did. I'm so over this victimology. I feel people that speak that way are racists. My white friend that's married to a black man told me the only people that said mean racial things were black women.
I love it. And they'll say, "The Romans built your roads, aqueducts, walls and bridges" ... but they still enslaved and slaughtered Britons while doing it. Go get your reparations boo 😂 I'm certain I have Irish ancestry, I need to go find the Danes for reparations first, but I'll be back for the British.
Agree, fed up of people playing the victim card for everything in life. I'm making no apology to anyone regarding something I haven't personally been involved in and nor should anyone else, the absolute narcissism and entitlement of attempting to claim the suffering of those long dead as your own is absolutely disgusting and the people who seriously believe they are suffering 'the pains of history' relating to this topic should be ashamed.
What a great debate. I loved hearing the @no need to apologise” arguments! I and the overwhelming majority of people completely agree that slavery was a mistake análises centuries after it took place! But mistakes also are part of History! Douglas Murray touched exactly the center of the question: why is anybody blaming North Africans for enslaving southern Europeans especially in the Iberian Peninsula? And I add why is nobody demanding reparations from Mongolia for invading and slaughtering Asians, Indians, Eastern Europeans, etc.and all the terror caused by Genghis Khan?? Why would someone born more than 8 centuries later have to pay for something he has nothing to do with?? This reparation thing is just ludicrous and completely idiotic and unjust in my view! History is history!!! Again, thanks for the great program! Congratulations!!
And Genghis has 16 million descendants today, I think all descendants of Mongol and Turkic tribes in Mongolia and southern Siberia should be looking to them to make amends 😅
It’s not about apologies, it’s about compensation. Why should I pay for something I didn’t partake in, and give money to those who weren’t a victim of?
And yet today's British taxpayers, who had no personal involvement with slavery, were on the hook until recently for paying off British public debt incurred when the government compensated slaveowners in order to abolish and set slaves free. Murray knows this but such historical facts would get in the way of his grifting.
@@RS-vy9qv nope saw it when it aired and have watched it again several times watching people react to it. Not sure what your point is but perhaps don’t be so presumptuous
@@elliotthyde5623the point @RS-vy9qv was making was that you still watched this show, contrary to you saying "I've stopped watching this show as she is always on it." You can't say you've stopped watching it when you say you watched this when it first aired, and subsequent times after.
@@gothicbagheera I can. It works like this. I click on the thumbnail and once I see she’s on the panel I switch off. It’s that simple. So if you want to say that watching 2mins of a show is watching it then ok. Sometimes these idiots are on the TH-cam clip picture so I don’t bother at all. Cheers
It's a guilty pleasure listening to Douglas Murray speak on this issue because he is absolutely done with this nonsense and yet he is so good at dunking on it.
I think that's 100 percent correct , how could white people who live in this time 2024 be responsible for slave holding people we were not even born in that time and they were never slaves , it just makes no sense to any of us , when are they gonna realize that their own people sold them to other countries, not just America and there's a lot of people (who are white) had ancestors that were also slaves , they are not the only ones that had ancestors that were enslaved, I have Irish ancestors that were also slaves. , this is ridiculous and shameful that they feel entitled to get money from people who have nothing to do with slavery . They should be ashamed of themselves , their ancestors were slaves , not you , you have all the opportunities that every other American has they want to keep the hate alive
And yet today's British taxpayers, who had no personal involvement with slavery, were on the hook until recently for paying off British public debt incurred when the government compensated slaveowners in order to abolish and set slaves free. Murray knows this but such historical facts would get in the way of his grifting.
Well said Douglas Murray. Paula needs to get over the racism she experienced during her adult career as a barrister. I'm truly sorry for any hurt and pain of my ancestors may have caused to any ancestors that experienced racism, but I can't apologise for something I didn't or have not engaged in. Let's move forward.
Why apologize for something one didn't do? You can't apologize on behalf of others, especially those who are dead. Some people just love to play the victim because they're "special."
The issue is most of the comments here are palpably racist, like yours. You merely prove that the system is still alive and well, hence the need for a proper reckoning. Which is coming, mark my words
Slavery was an awful thing. We all accept that, but sometimes in life, a line needs to be drawn so we can move on. I think we need to worry more about the future and how we will make it as good as possible, rather than dwelling on the past. That’s a huge problem in society I think, we dwell too much on the past.
Slavery was not an awful thing. It was considered to be normal and acceptable all over the world for most of human history. If it was really that bad, I am sure someone would have taken notice.
@@supercal3944 Sounds like somebody here needs to be locked up in shackles and forced to do hard labor for a few years to learn what being free means and how to count their blessings.
@@vanavatareight5135 Whaatt...? "Slavery was not an awful thing." AYFKM, seriously? WTF-OVER! C'mon man "Get Your Mind Right." ======================="Ever wonder about those people who spend $4 apiece on those little bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards?" Blah,ha,ha!!!!!! 🤘😜🤘
@@AceHighVictoryking George the 3rd never apologized for slavery plus records see his family still earned off the back of slavery until 1890.....happy to tell u another if you'd like
@@AceHighVictoryplus his comment saying over countries don't recognise the slave trade..... He mentions the ottoman empire which no longer exists then says African countries have never addressed there part in the slave trade when they actually have many countries in Africa have paid reparations even tho we ruled over them at the time
@@alf494 He for sure did, he also called slavery bad, and wrote it to law that it should stop! You can just google it, and learn some history! But i think you dont have the brain to actually read some history books!
The more I hear from her, the more angry I get. My best mate was black and I was privileged enough to be his best man. For her to come out and say this about people in an openly racist way hurts
Your best mate is black so that I guess that means you are not racist. You sound silly. You are the worst to have as a friend, someone who lacks social and self awareness. What exactly makes you angry about what she said?
And yet today's British taxpayers, who had no personal involvement with slavery, were on the hook until recently for paying off British public debt incurred when the government compensated slaveowners in order to abolish and set slaves free. Murray knows this but such historical facts would get in the way of his grifting.
My ancestors fled the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre in France and when they found land in Spitalfields, London they were enslaved for years and used as silk weavers. It's a terrible piece of history but generations of my family have experienced a life in England which is worlds apart from what they endured and to seek any kind of reparation for my ancestors struggle would be an insult to them.
@@mars6541the point is that my ancestors had it hard and suffered persecution, I haven't suffered persecution so I can't really complain or demand an apology, just like you haven't suffered persecution. White people, Black people, Asian people, Latin people, Muslim, Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Gay, Lesbian, Straight etc etc have all suffered in some way at some point in history. No black person who is alive today has been enslaved or has a relative who was enslaved. Black people are not "suffering to this day" because of something that went on hundreds of years ago. Nobody alive today played any part in the slave trade, neither did their parents, grandparents, great grandparents or great great grandparents. Do you realise that there are actually people who are enduring slavery today? In this modern world where YOU are free to do whatever you like and go wherever you want there are people who RIGHT NOW are being held against their will and forced to work with no reward. And here you are demanding an apology from someone who has done nothing wrong and played no part in something which hasn't even affected you in the slightest.
@@jamierenaut so ur saying becuz everyone else went thru something that means blk ppl shouldn’t get Justice for what the European nations especially America done to them?
@@mars6541 what would be justice? Should we all seek justice for our ancestors? Africans captured and enslaved over 1 million Europeans in the Barbary slave trade. 90% of African slaves sold to European traders were enslaved and sold by Africans. History is horrible, we have to learn from it and move on. If you focus on what has been you will never see what can be!
@@jamierenaut wait your equating Muslims enslaving Europeans? What does that have to do with blk Ppl in america. Why is it yall keep coming up with excuses to justify what yall did…stop lumping everyone’s situation with blk ppl that suffered in america. Point is america enslaved blk ppl and made trillions and that’s how it became the worlds superpower through free labor and enslavement. Blk ppl in america have every right to demand Justice & reparations especially since your ass is benefitting from it today. Stop with the excuses
@@khayalethukuphu5818 slavery in africa today is a fact. Look at the cobalt mines where entire families including young children are forced into slave labour without any prospect of surviving out of there. It’s not well punlicized because the greenwashing movement wants everything to run on rechargeable batteries, which all need…cobalt. So instead of getting upset about africa’s reputation, you might want to redirect your anger towards big corporates who are enslaving poor africans in cobalt mines.
Exactly I don't get why the blacks are pointing fingers at us whites in Britain when THEIR OWN LEADERS sold them off to slaver over towards Arabia. 17 million were sold to Arabia in eastern Africa and the Atlantic slave trade they sold off 11.4 million of their own people for weapons and money. They even enslaved us so why don't we go to their countries and stage protests and riots about reparations for the Barbary pirates event.
@@boota1979 The existence of buyers is not an excuse. They could've resisted and fought and chased the buys away, but they choose to profit by selling their own people.
@@boota1979 sure but if the black leaders never forced their people to slavery then there would never of been any buyers. plus Britain would technically be called innocent, as as soon as slaves entered our country they were freed due to the 1066 invasion of Britain by summin the conquerer William? Yeah him of France who invaded britain and forced a law that under any circumstances Britain was not allowed slaves.
As a white man from the UK, I fully understand. My ancestors were oppressed by Vikings. I've been seeking reparations. But some of my ancestors were Vikings as well. So, I've been paying myself £20 each week in compensation.
"We're still suffering." **She says as she's been taught English in order to integrate with society, well dressed, expensive fake hair, clearly has enough pull to appear on a television program, allowed to speak her mind freely with no repercussions, etc.** What are you even talking about?!
I sympathise and hate how some behaved in our history but I won't apologise for something I'm not guilty of or happened before I was born, I'm not responsible for that nor is anyone else unless they actively behave in the same way
Exactly the Barbican slave trade was.loterally Africans selling Africans they also raided Ireland Iceland and the Scottish islands, everyone was at it bacl then
@@Smarterthanyew I have nothing to be shamed about , my ancestors weren't running the country at the time , it just getting silly you can't hold be to account for something that happened nearly 200 years ago. It was atrocious what happened but we have to move on.
People like her who still cling onto the past always cause division when world wants to move forward and live in an integrated inclusive society with peace and harmony and celebrate diversity.
If everyone needs to apologize for things we had nothing to do with, let's start off with the black community apologizing to itself for selling their own into slavery.
@johnnycaruthers7180 Surely the ignorant just need educating on the past, so that they can learn from it.... :D :D :D Maybe it isn't the same coming from great, great, great , great grandpappy somehow.....
Unfortunately, they are only programmed to go in a circle, they have no concept of going it alone, they have no goal no prospect, no outlook. They always come back to the hand that feeds. That is until WE remove it.
The part of history that has not been taught is the part that shows how much was done to stop slavery starting with England in the early 19th century. Any part of the historical context that does not promote victimization is ignored.
The reality of the case is that some of us want to make the world feel guilty for something that happened 200 years ago. The suffering that they never experienced but heard from the elders.... stop feeling less than others. If you keep giving them a platform it will never stop....
She talked about understanding the true history..." and my first thought was, "you mean the history that only you know and are going to educate the rest of us on despite everything we know as fact contradicting you." These people are delusional.
Douglas is a national fucking treasure and so are you Piers for having this platform to combat today's ridiculousness. You both need protecting, keep fighting these woke idiots
I am a mixed race woman. My son is white blond. Should my son apologize? How we decide who should apologize and who is a victim??? This is ridiculous it needs to stop. We are all victims of life and rhe past. No one should apologize for something they didn't do. Lessons learned and that's all. This is a step back on race!!
Honestly I'm tired of the black vs white debate over a form of slavery that happened ages ago. However slavery still exists, its just been modernized as taxes, bills, laws, penal codes, etc. Americans and many others are forced to pay to live in society. If we choose not to partake in society and live freely we're put in prisons thus creating forced labor. If we haven't "paid our debts" then for some stupid reason it falls to our descendants who would eventually suffer the same fate. That's textbook Chattel Slavery definition. I won't be subjecting my lineage to such a fate. Its time to unite the people.
You should not be expected to apologise for the actions of a known relative such as a parent, a sibling or a child. Let alone ancestors you never met, you don't know the names of and who you know so little about that you can't even be sure they did the things they are being accused of. I will apologise for my actions. If I enslave someone, I will apologise for that. But I'm not apologising for something a unknown ancestor may or may not have done. And this is exactly why it can be a bad thing to apologise. I think of someone like Ainsley Harriot who went on who do you think you are and found out that he had a slave owning ancestor. But because he is black, people like this Paula who are so ignorant to history, would expect me (a white man who has no evidence to suggest he has a family history of slavery), to apologise to Ainsley Harriot (descendant of slave owners) just because he is black. America is so much more muddled than Britain too. These ideas seem to always originate in America, where people are so mixed racially, that there are many millions of people who would have a family history of being slaves and owning them. Where there are millions of black people who could not have been descended from slaves because their families arrived in America after slavery was abolished. And they would blame white men who again, may have arrived after abolition. If we are to accept that reparations are needed and apologies are justified, we would need to have EVERYONES family history researched because otherwise, there is a real possibility that people with no history of slaver ownership will be giving money to people who had slave owning ancestors. Then we would only be committing injustice in the 21st Century. And this is all despite my original point which was simply this. I don't give a fuck if my ancestors owned slaves. I didn't. My parents didn't. My Grandparents didn't. I know this because I can ask them. And my Grandparents have parents and grandparents who they know didn't own slaves. Anything past that, is unknown but so far removed i don't even know people who knew them. I will not be held responsible for the actions of complete strangers, even if they are my ancestors.
yet cvnts live lives off the profit of those who they've never met either... all that wordage for what? what's owed... is owed. pay now... pay later. justice requires it.
@user-SubvurzIVthis will affect everyone. I would explain but your attention span must be short if you think my original post was too long. Let's just say idiots like you think everything is black and white. Victim Vs oppressor. Objective wrong Vs objective right. Truth and justice is often found in the middle. But I won't bore you with the truth. I'll leave you to think you are right because you have only scratched the surface and are unwilling to do a little reading.
@@ProjectUnsoundDineen no. I don't expect you to read all that if you have a small attention span. But word of advice. Sometimes, it's ok not to have anything meaningful to contribute. On those occasions, just staying quiet is ok. You can do that.
The people who did this and the people it happened to, are all long gone. Nobody owes anyone anything for what happened in the past. To give money away because there are professional victims claiming, just leaves you wide open to a neverending stream of claimants.
If they want an apology, they need to go back to Africa to ask for it. African leaders sold them and petitioned for the slave trade to continue. An apology will never be enough.
Paula, I’m very very sorry for all the pain I have caused you and for my part in slavery. I hope you accept this apology, forgive me and I hope you can now put this behind you. I suppose what makes it so much worse is that I don’t recall any of it.
That woman is seriously challenging my mental health on this Sunday but I am determined I will not do what my late son did. Her name is Paula. Paula have you any idea re the damage you are doing. I have nothing to apologise for unless my being here should be apologised for. You should seriously consider the damage you are inflicting
I’m a “Black Man” commenting here & even I’m tired of the whole slavery talk myself 🤷🏾♂️. It’s boring , repetitive & it just makes you stuck in the past forever. Places like America love to drag this conversation on FOREVER & all that does is stop you moving on into the future as best as you can 🤦🏾♂️✅. Many aspects of “slavery” still exist today majority of it psychological but overall THIS IS ALL SOME OLD SH*T so it’s time to act better for the future instead of being stuck on OLD SH*T FOREVER.
Im dutch and a lot of people didnt agree with the apologize of the king. We can not apologize for what our ancestors did. And its all money driven. All the slave "ancestors" want a compensation.
It's a total grift . They are after money for nothing . And to say sorry while you give it to them . "Whaaa I'm a victim, give me money I don't deserve. " It's a culture thing.
4:45 He asks :if we all say we're sorry today, can we finally move on?" She says "Yes". Okay, well we did that 200 years ago. In America, thousands of men said "sorry" with their lives.
Virtually EVERYONE has said Slavery was bad and wrong,...over and over and over. It's now become tedious and meaningless. We are now many generations away from it all, this constant demand for more is just absurd. If Paula can't keep this story alive, she'd be out of a job,
Because her Ancestors were enslaved and sold to European Traders to work in their plantation against their will? She wasn't referring to like some personal, individual apology for herself but rather on the people (later descendants) that suffered under the brutal lash of slavery and later the Jim Crow era.
The answer is it never stops. People with this opinion seem to always want an apology and to be a victim. They don’t want equality they want superiority.
It’s women and feminine men not people
Both are a lie. I don't want your damn apology because the I'll treatment is never going to stop. I want my people to get the reparations owed to them and for nonblacks to quit making excuses as to why we don't deserve it. The fact that it upsets you so much lets me know that you know we do deserve reparations. It's not a handout. It's what this country owes us. And it will only stimulate the country's economy for those who think all we're going to do is spend it. Isn't that what money is for, at least partly?
Most black people do not care about an apology. Follow the money and see who is funding this fringe divisive agenda 👀👀👀👀👀
Priveliged black people like her should pay
Spot on.
I could listen to Douglas Murray for hours on end. He explains things so clearly and really knows his history, plus I agree with his comments. It's time to move on and try and improve the future, and stop dwelling on the past.
No there will still be people who are racist nothing will change stop dreaming
Screw the "move on from the past" tropes. The fact is reparations make absolutely no sense. An person who isn't a victim of a transgression is owed money from a person who isn't responsible for that transgression? It doesn't make any sense under any criteria, including legal ones. Civil claims are always the exact opposite: a specific person is the victim of a specific transgression by a specific person, and thus deserves compensation.
We will move on after justice is served!
Today's generation shouldn't be blamed for what our forefathers did. It doesn't mean that we are all bad. The young black generation are not treated like their ancestors were (thank goodness). We should never forget history (good or bad), but aren't there enough problems in the world which we should be trying to solve. E.g. poverty, climate change, better recycling etc. etc.
@@shirleystein2347 Wow, those are the problems you thought to bring up to the forefront as what we should try to fix? Not actual problems like black fathers abandoning their families, inner city gangs and Baltimore's horrible school system that has a 0% math proficiency?
Douglas Murray is one of the glimmers of hope for the civilised world.
Civilized world lol😅😅,based on killing millions of innocent people ,taking their land ,enslave them ,taking their wealth .what kind of civilization this is evil .you need to stop this west hypocrisy .ask the First Nation in US Canada Australia then you will know how civilized you really are!!!!😢
He’s a pillow biter 😂
@@tdon39 really? So you guys have much in common then, good to know I guess 👌🏼
@@Yoyoyo288 You mean that we are very intelligent? Thanks for your kind words and vote of confidence.
Honestly I'm tired of the black vs white debate over a form of slavery that happened ages ago. However slavery still exists, its just been modernized as taxes, bills, laws, penal codes, etc. Americans and many others are forced to pay to live in society. If we choose not to partake in society and live freely we're put in prisons thus creating forced labor. If we haven't "paid our debts" then for some stupid reason it falls to our descendants who would eventually suffer the same fate. That's textbook Chattel Slavery definition. I won't be subjecting my lineage to such a fate. Its time to unite the people.
As a Danish man, this disgusts me. Imagine if people from England, Scotland, Ireland, France, or Spain came after me, demanding that I paid for reparations for what my great ancestors did to theirs during the Viking era. Ridiculous.
Also Italy.
KING RAGNAH
And many of us in England from the area called The Danelaw are descended from Danes anyway ???
Now that you mentioned.., they may 🤣
Most black people do not care about an apology. Follow the money and see who is funding this fringe divisive agenda 👀👀👀👀👀
That woman is acting like she’s the victim of slavery when she has never even tasted a drop of slavery.
Glad some one said it 👏
Most black people do not care about an apology. Follow the money and see who is funding this fringe divisive agenda 👀👀👀👀👀
So if a Jew complains about the Holocaust that's wrong because they were never in a concentration camp.....
Shes is payed to always speak the narrative of what ever Piers Morgan disagrees with, you can see on her face she is a liar and a manipulative scum bag.
Someone who finally grew up with her family speaks.
Never apologize for something you didn't do. They want you to take the blame for the sins of others so they have someone to bill for their fake damages.
Exactly plus White people where the ones who were the first to formally but an end to slavery first in Britain, then in France then finally the USA. As Douglass and a movie called the sound of freedom have shown slavery is still being practiced in by black people in Africa and there are more slaves over there now in the present then there ever was in the US/
Today's generation wants everybody to apologize for something that they didn't do to people who never even knew the horrors of slavery. Its ludicrous.
I’m a progressive liberal democrat. I don’t owe ANYONE an apology. And there is NO ONE today that deserves any apology for anything! I’m sick of hearing these people take up the “mantle” of “pain” they have never experienced. Reparations? NEVER!
Honestly I'm tired of the black vs white debate over a form of slavery that happened ages ago. However slavery still exists, its just been modernized as taxes, bills, laws, penal codes, etc. Americans and many others are forced to pay to live in society. If we choose not to partake in society and live freely we're put in prisons thus creating forced labor. If we haven't "paid our debts" then for some stupid reason it falls to our descendants who would eventually suffer the same fate. That's textbook Chattel Slavery definition. I won't be subjecting my lineage to such a fate. Its time to unite the people.
And yet today's British taxpayers, who had no personal involvement with slavery, were on the hook until recently for paying off British public debt incurred when the government compensated slaveowners in order to abolish and set slaves free. Murray knows this but such historical facts would get in the way of his grifting.
Is Paula going to apologise as it was her ancestor's who enslaved their own people and sold them . Stop blaming everyone else and get over it
Yes they blame everyone else for their own mistakes and fail to see the problem
She should go ask them to pay her and apologize. She won't. They would laugh at her.
I was thinking this too 😂
It was the Portugese they went to Ghana looking for the gold of Ashantis and started stealing human beings from neighboring Nigeria some black people were hired and ended up being sold too.
@@undermysaviour Interesting, but nevertheless , some black people stepped up for the job , no ? They were paid ( or promised payment) to enslave other black people and sell them.
Fucking hell, Douglas absolutely destroyed her there.
Sat here laughing and laughing over and over
U dont think European nations need to make amends for the crimes against humanity?
@@mars6541 absolutely not, how far back do we go?
People just want free money by playing the victim.
@@NonConformistable free money? But didnt European countries get free money from free labor for hundreds of yrs for enslaving a ppl and taking them from families. How is that fair when european countries made trillions from
Slavery but blk ppl still suffering today especially in america when blk
Ppl are still being killed n lynched by caucasians and the fact that caucasians/white mobs burned down n destroyed dozens upon dozens of blk towns and killed children and stole their land. Would u say that’s fair or are u just being bias
@mars6541 No because when you start that it never ends it was a messed up thing in the past but it was in the past we are in the present as a black man I say we focus on the here and now
@@7spider391 what ur saying is f**k whatever happen to your ancestors as long as u were never a slave u should get Justice for what they did to your ppl. Thats cold
Every word in Douglas' part is so incredibly satisfying.
She basically wants people to apologise for things they didn’t do.
Get yourself educated woman!!!
Most black people do not care about an apology. Follow the money and see who is funding this fringe divisive agenda 👀👀👀👀👀
Hell it's not even about what people did in the past. These people make claims about shit that didn't even happen THEN. Much less now.
She wears white man cloths, drive a white man invented car, talks a white person's laugwich, they are ok using white invented things lol.
She's the type that would stub her toe on the pavement & any white person within 100 meters would be blamed for it & she would demand reparations for it aswell
Notice how she doesn't demand an apology from Muslims or Africans, just from white people. She's a classic race huckster, we got them all over America, she isn't fooling anyone. Should have asked her "Who ended the international slave trade?" Answer: The British Empire. Not Islam and not black Africans, they fought to maintain it. White people ended it!
I feel a tremendous wave of embarrassment come over me when i see grown adults wanting to spend their entire lives as perpetual victims.
You have to understand they do it because you don't have work hard or develop oneself to be a victim , in fact moment you do you lose it so you can see why it has been so addictive seducing many to do most despicable things often denying existence of their clearly visible shadow side...
You are embarrassed, and we are victims, what your ancestors did, we are still living with, your embarrassment comes from how you have changed us, how we speak, music, culture, our behaviour. We are victim's of slavery, you are embarrassed.
Humanity is not liked,
eBook series 'Religion Separates Man From God.'
It not embarrassment it a Disgrace of what human race once were
@@justiceriser8970 Could not agree more, The Trans Atlantic slave trade is in the past, is still with us today, driving the apologies that trouble Piers. Pretty sure our poor behaviour today also has its roots in our poor behaviour in the past. How many Ukrainians will be killed today, How many Russians will be killed today.
Humanity is not liked,
eBook series 'Religion Separates Man From God.'
@johnd8755 no It the same shit u humans are a disgraced to the universe
Douglas just CLEANS UP. He needs to host a master class on oration.
She wants an apology, when she has never spent as much as a single second as a slave and would never have met anyone in her family who has. I don't recall who said it, but the quote is something like, "You were never a slave and I never owned slaves. I don't owe you anything".
The problem is that she's equating culpability with apology. She NEEDS compensation for a wrong that didn't happen to her from a person that didn't actually do the wrong. She also ignores the millions of people who have been wronged by millions of other bad human actions. Slavery wasn't just a black thing, warfare, genocide; as well as simple exclusion and society bias. Since that never ends, apologies will continue endlessly.
What is your justification for this behavior? Is it wrong and can it be applied to others?👇
New German reparations for Jews
The new agreement signed by German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble with the head of the Jewish Compensation Organization Julius Berman at the headquarters of the Jewish Museum in Berlin, is the third compensation agreement that Germany is bound towards Jews who are victims of the so-called Nazi Holocaust, since the 1952 Luxembourg Agreement and a second agreement followed in
No.. Slavery isn't just a black thing. Agreed... However, it's the only one not properly recorded and the only one where one race, not nationality has enslaved another to that effect... Whites enslaved whites etc. Yes Africans sold there own people, that's another issue, but whites enslaved blacks... And before you jump and say Chinese and Japanese.. Again both Asian...
Well said, many are still in slavery all walks of life and ethnicitys in some form
Most black people do not care about an apology. Follow the money and see who is funding this fringe divisive agenda 👀👀👀👀👀
She is ok driving a car, using english, washing her cloths in a washing machine, living in a house, using electronic all white man invented things. Black people (no offence) have contributed literally nothing in technology and invention We use every day. The only place I see black people creating and profiting from is the music industry but I cant think of anything else.
I'm northern Irish where we are still working things out and seeking to move forwards after pains inflicted in our community are still fairly recent and raw. If our focus now was on getting endless apologies and blame game we wouldn't get too far - speaking on a community level where we aree making progress. Unfortunately our government is a bit more stuck as an example of what I'm talking about. Doing those things would hurt me as an individual as well as community. Yes we remember, we teach the history and we focus on not repeating and getting stuck. But healing is something comes from within, not from relying on the external actions of others around of you.
Douglas destroyed her with facts and logic
In other words, The Truth.
Most black people do not care about an apology. Follow the money and see who is funding this fringe divisive agenda 👀👀👀👀👀
“They” are thick as shite, can’t use free education, and can’t engage in intelligent debate.
Never seen Douglas do it any other way
Yet that women twisted his words and refused to see truth. I just don’t get some of these people 🤦🏻♀️
Theres a dangerously slippery slope in this trap..... the moment an apology is issued you assume responsibility on a real and direct level. It no longer becomes a historical lesson, but rather a starting point for the discussion of reparations, manipulative guilting and ownership. An apology is not so innocent anymore. Especially if you didn’t do anything.
Exactly, the moment you apologise.. you will receive nothing but a backlash.
pay reparations and take the statues down.
@@thedadlife247no.
@@thedadlife247Not a chance!!!
@@naf2038 no u pay it take them statues down call it even
As a black person myself, I'm sick and tired of the argument. If one is going to instant on reparations, why not go to where it all began, the parts of Africa which enslaved and traded their own, or as Douglas mentioned go after those within the Arab slave trade...? It's completely disingenuous, and so much easier to play on white guilt than seek true accountability!
She is a racist, she only care if black people suffered, she dont care about any other race getting enslaved getting their apology..
Same. Not black but POC. It's embarrassing to be lumped in with these perpetual victims.
Shelby Steele wrote a book called white guilt
So u think blk ppl should ask reparations to Africans?
@@mars6541 From Africans, why not? If those who traded their own people AND enslaved them also, then they should pay reparations if whites were expected to do so, even though the majority did not own slaves themselves, this seems to be an all white affair somehow. California has apparently paid out in some areas there, even though it was never a slave state!
I wish I could speak like Douglas Murray in an argument man’s on fire 🔥🔥🔥
U dont think European nations need to make amends for the crimes against humanity?
@@mars6541We will say sorry but we expect it back from when they enslaved us…
You will just look past that like always and play victim. 😂
@@Deano-Dron81 who enslaved what? What r u talking about play victim? How is it playing victim
@@Deano-Dron81 you sound like a devil. I love when y’all show ya horns
@@mars6541 Do you think Asian and Arab nations need to make amends for their crimes against humanity?
I mean Genghis Kahn did some terrible shit during the 1200's, long before Europeans started effing around on other continents, and he has 16 million descendants today, I think all descendants of Mongol and Turkic tribes in Mongolia and southern Siberia should be looking to them to make amends 🙃
I will never apologize for something I didn't do.
Damn right.
I never owned a slave! And she was never one either!
Are all the black people responsible for the six black men that got out of their car and beat up a elderly white woman in San Francisco? No of course not. Being a color does not make you responsible for what others did. I'm so over this victimology. I feel people that speak that way are racists. My white friend that's married to a black man told me the only people that said mean racial things were black women.
Ask them to prove they are descendants of slaves. They can't. Many of them immigrated here after slavery was abolished.
@@ziggywiggYeah you get 3rd generation Kenyan immigrants claiming their ancestors were slaves😂
As a Briton maybe i should have a word with Italy, after all ..... 'What did the Romans ever do for us!?!'
I love it. And they'll say, "The Romans built your roads, aqueducts, walls and bridges" ... but they still enslaved and slaughtered Britons while doing it. Go get your reparations boo 😂 I'm certain I have Irish ancestry, I need to go find the Danes for reparations first, but I'll be back for the British.
Enough already. This topic needs to finally play out. It's time for people to finally stand up and say "no more fake guilt" in politics and media.
Agree, fed up of people playing the victim card for everything in life. I'm making no apology to anyone regarding something I haven't personally been involved in and nor should anyone else, the absolute narcissism and entitlement of attempting to claim the suffering of those long dead as your own is absolutely disgusting and the people who seriously believe they are suffering 'the pains of history' relating to this topic should be ashamed.
Most black people do not care about an apology. Follow the money and see who is funding this fringe divisive agenda 👀👀👀👀👀
They just want free money
@@stretfordender11 You hit the nail on the head
We hear this all the time in NZ to not just from Maori activists but woke white people also
WOW DOUGLAS why can’t we have people like you in power 👏🫡
What a great debate. I loved hearing the @no need to apologise” arguments! I and the overwhelming majority of people completely agree that slavery was a mistake análises centuries after it took place! But mistakes also are part of History! Douglas Murray touched exactly the center of the question: why is anybody blaming North Africans for enslaving southern Europeans especially in the Iberian Peninsula? And I add why is nobody demanding reparations from Mongolia for invading and slaughtering Asians, Indians, Eastern Europeans, etc.and all the terror caused by Genghis Khan?? Why would someone born more than 8 centuries later have to pay for something he has nothing to do with?? This reparation thing is just ludicrous and completely idiotic and unjust in my view!
History is history!!!
Again, thanks for the great program! Congratulations!!
And Genghis has 16 million descendants today, I think all descendants of Mongol and Turkic tribes in Mongolia and southern Siberia should be looking to them to make amends 😅
Douglas is always on point.
Never really seen him before but came across well there... 🇬🇧
He is always firing on all cylinders lol
@@SpookyDjinn I will keep my eye out for him in future
@@johnmccann5104he’s a gay atheist conservative, which makes him hard to argue with lol
@@thucydides7849 🤣🤣
I'm British and I WILL NOT APOLOGISE for the slavery trade at all 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Who wants your apology? Give us the money we generated, snd keep your stupid apology
your empire participated in slavery for 200 years
you sold 3 million africans into slavery
you have a patently apalng histry
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Me neither 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
It’s not about apologies, it’s about compensation.
Why should I pay for something I didn’t partake in, and give money to those who weren’t a victim of?
I’ve got an idea, everyone who owned a slave has to pay the ex slave money. (Hint hint, there’s none in England)
Who said that u specifically have to pay reparations. No1 is knocking on ur door demanding u pay billions
Every time a welfare check is cashed that is their reparations
And yet today's British taxpayers, who had no personal involvement with slavery, were on the hook until recently for paying off British public debt incurred when the government compensated slaveowners in order to abolish and set slaves free. Murray knows this but such historical facts would get in the way of his grifting.
I’ve seen white people even apologized for what happened and account to it being nasty. That’s not enough because THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT MONEY
That Paula would never be satisfied at anything. Next she will be asking compensation. For people she never knew.
She’s a grifter making a living out of this. I’ve stopped watching this show as she’s always on it
@@RS-vy9qv nope saw it when it aired and have watched it again several times watching people react to it. Not sure what your point is but perhaps don’t be so presumptuous
@@elliotthyde5623the point @RS-vy9qv was making was that you still watched this show, contrary to you saying "I've stopped watching this show as she is always on it." You can't say you've stopped watching it when you say you watched this when it first aired, and subsequent times after.
@@gothicbagheera I can. It works like this. I click on the thumbnail and once I see she’s on the panel I switch off. It’s that simple. So if you want to say that watching 2mins of a show is watching it then ok. Sometimes these idiots are on the TH-cam clip picture so I don’t bother at all.
Cheers
@@gothicbagheera I watched that particular show more than once but haven’t watched anymore. So your being precise is stupid.
They want people to be held accountable for things they didnt do, while they themselves refuse to be held accountable for things they currently do.
💯 Agree and well said 👍
This is hypocrisy at its finest.
It's a guilty pleasure listening to Douglas Murray speak on this issue because he is absolutely done with this nonsense and yet he is so good at dunking on it.
Let's be honest here and what it's really about is getting free money. Nothing to do with slavery in general at all.
You mean like the free money that was stolen?
@@Smarterthanyewwhat free money? And how was it stolen if it was free. Are you triggered or something.
@@Smarterthanyew Free money that was stolen. You have to know that statement doesn't make any sense. How can you steal something that is free?
I think that's 100 percent correct , how could white people who live in this time 2024 be responsible for slave holding people we were not even born in that time and they were never slaves , it just makes no sense to any of us , when are they gonna realize that their own people sold them to other countries, not just America and there's a lot of people (who are white) had ancestors that were also slaves , they are not the only ones that had ancestors that were enslaved, I have Irish ancestors that were also slaves. , this is ridiculous and shameful that they feel entitled to get money from people who have nothing to do with slavery . They should be ashamed of themselves , their ancestors were slaves , not you , you have all the opportunities that every other American has they want to keep the hate alive
And yet today's British taxpayers, who had no personal involvement with slavery, were on the hook until recently for paying off British public debt incurred when the government compensated slaveowners in order to abolish and set slaves free. Murray knows this but such historical facts would get in the way of his grifting.
Couldn’t agree more with Douglas. Enough is enough, get over it.
Most black people do not care about an apology. Follow the money and see who is funding this fringe divisive agenda 👀👀👀👀👀
i will get over it when we get what we are owed
@@slinkiegirl2001 you are owned nothing more than the rest of us and that’s a fair chance for life which you already have, disgusting human being
@@slinkiegirl2001 Go be "free" in africa
@@slinkiegirl2001you're not owed a damn thing.
Douglas Murray. Damn right!
There won’t be an end to the apologizing for historical slavery because some people use it as victimhood
And people like her get paid well for it
Yeah, just like the race care
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Damn im not even surprised u devils are speaking like this. Yall the same as yall ancestors. This is why yall are called white devils
She doesn’t want an apology - she wants a bag of money
She’s a grifter
I feel sorry for anyone dealing with this woman and her incensory views.
It’s crazy how u can benefit from what ur ancestors did while blk ppl are suffering n have a problem repairing the wrong that was done
Well said Douglas Murray. Paula needs to get over the racism she experienced during her adult career as a barrister. I'm truly sorry for any hurt and pain of my ancestors may have caused to any ancestors that experienced racism, but I can't apologise for something I didn't or have not engaged in. Let's move forward.
It will never stop. The more you apologise to these ingrates the more apologies they expect.
Why apologize for something one didn't do? You can't apologize on behalf of others, especially those who are dead. Some people just love to play the victim because they're "special."
@@bf7775 yeah exactly. It makes them a protected class.
The issue is most of the comments here are palpably racist, like yours. You merely prove that the system is still alive and well, hence the need for a proper reckoning.
Which is coming, mark my words
Thank you too Douglas and piers,
How can anyone be expected to apologise for the actions of another?
Slavery was an awful thing. We all accept that, but sometimes in life, a line needs to be drawn so we can move on. I think we need to worry more about the future and how we will make it as good as possible, rather than dwelling on the past. That’s a huge problem in society I think, we dwell too much on the past.
Slavery was not an awful thing. It was considered to be normal and acceptable all over the world for most of human history. If it was really that bad, I am sure someone would have taken notice.
You can’t just forget about the past when the effects of slavery still lingers to this day.
@@supercal3944 Sounds like somebody here needs to be locked up in shackles and forced to do hard labor for a few years to learn what being free means and how to count their blessings.
@@supercal3944That barbaric mindset is why we will never have peace in this world.
@@vanavatareight5135 Whaatt...? "Slavery was not an awful thing." AYFKM, seriously? WTF-OVER! C'mon man "Get Your Mind Right." ======================="Ever wonder about those people who spend $4 apiece on those little bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards?" Blah,ha,ha!!!!!! 🤘😜🤘
You know that feeling you get when you hear someone say sorry too much and you're like Ok I get but they still apologize? yeah.
Douglas Murray speaking PURE FACTS! He summed it all up perfectly! What a KING 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🔥🔥🔥
I mean most of what he said was untrue and easily found as bollocks but whatever makes you happy
@@alf494 Name one thing he said that was untrue?
@@AceHighVictoryking George the 3rd never apologized for slavery plus records see his family still earned off the back of slavery until 1890.....happy to tell u another if you'd like
@@AceHighVictoryplus his comment saying over countries don't recognise the slave trade..... He mentions the ottoman empire which no longer exists then says African countries have never addressed there part in the slave trade when they actually have many countries in Africa have paid reparations even tho we ruled over them at the time
@@alf494 He for sure did, he also called slavery bad, and wrote it to law that it should stop!
You can just google it, and learn some history! But i think you dont have the brain to actually read some history books!
Douglas was on fire in this one 💥
Well said, Douglas. That is a self-esteem issue that the individual needs to resolve.
The more I hear from her, the more angry I get. My best mate was black and I was privileged enough to be his best man.
For her to come out and say this about people in an openly racist way hurts
Your best mate is black so that I guess that means you are not racist. You sound silly. You are the worst to have as a friend, someone who lacks social and self awareness. What exactly makes you angry about what she said?
As a black man I 100 percent agree with you these are just people trying to get money it's sick how people try to twist things
What is it that she said was racist
I agree with Piers. There is currently a large woke movement that prioritizes feelings over facts.
What facts?
And yet today's British taxpayers, who had no personal involvement with slavery, were on the hook until recently for paying off British public debt incurred when the government compensated slaveowners in order to abolish and set slaves free. Murray knows this but such historical facts would get in the way of his grifting.
My ancestors fled the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre in France and when they found land in Spitalfields, London they were enslaved for years and used as silk weavers. It's a terrible piece of history but generations of my family have experienced a life in England which is worlds apart from what they endured and to seek any kind of reparation for my ancestors struggle would be an insult to them.
What does that have to do with what blk ppl been thru n still suffer from til this day
@@mars6541the point is that my ancestors had it hard and suffered persecution, I haven't suffered persecution so I can't really complain or demand an apology, just like you haven't suffered persecution.
White people, Black people, Asian people, Latin people, Muslim, Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Gay, Lesbian, Straight etc etc have all suffered in some way at some point in history. No black person who is alive today has been enslaved or has a relative who was enslaved. Black people are not "suffering to this day" because of something that went on hundreds of years ago. Nobody alive today played any part in the slave trade, neither did their parents, grandparents, great grandparents or great great grandparents.
Do you realise that there are actually people who are enduring slavery today? In this modern world where YOU are free to do whatever you like and go wherever you want there are people who RIGHT NOW are being held against their will and forced to work with no reward.
And here you are demanding an apology from someone who has done nothing wrong and played no part in something which hasn't even affected you in the slightest.
@@jamierenaut so ur saying becuz everyone else went thru something that means blk ppl shouldn’t get Justice for what the European nations especially America done to them?
@@mars6541 what would be justice? Should we all seek justice for our ancestors?
Africans captured and enslaved over 1 million Europeans in the Barbary slave trade. 90% of African slaves sold to European traders were enslaved and sold by Africans.
History is horrible, we have to learn from it and move on. If you focus on what has been you will never see what can be!
@@jamierenaut wait your equating Muslims enslaving Europeans? What does that have to do with blk
Ppl in america. Why is it yall keep coming up with excuses to justify what yall did…stop lumping everyone’s situation with blk ppl that suffered in america. Point is america enslaved blk ppl and made trillions and that’s how it became the worlds superpower through free labor and enslavement. Blk ppl in america have every right to demand Justice & reparations especially since your ass is benefitting from it today. Stop with the excuses
Douglas is really on point here! Very impressively put, as always
He said there is slavery today in Africa, that is a big fat lie
@@khayalethukuphu5818 slavery in africa today is a fact. Look at the cobalt mines where entire families including young children are forced into slave labour without any prospect of surviving out of there. It’s not well punlicized because the greenwashing movement wants everything to run on rechargeable batteries, which all need…cobalt. So instead of getting upset about africa’s reputation, you might want to redirect your anger towards big corporates who are enslaving poor africans in cobalt mines.
douglas destroyed on this one, couldn't have put it any better
Douglas Murray very well said.....yes we are all fed up. 🎉
Douglas yet again hitting the nail on the head
Well said Douglas Murray
Thank you Murray,
I want an apology for that Barbie crap 😂😂😂
😂😂
#metoo! 😂😂😂
All sane people do !
Definitely up there as being worst film ever 😅
@@mharrison557 It's a marvelous satire of Feminism.
We stop before it even begins. Or at least make African Tribes who sold their own pay for such reparations.
Exactly I don't get why the blacks are pointing fingers at us whites in Britain when THEIR OWN LEADERS sold them off to slaver over towards Arabia. 17 million were sold to Arabia in eastern Africa and the Atlantic slave trade they sold off 11.4 million of their own people for weapons and money. They even enslaved us so why don't we go to their countries and stage protests and riots about reparations for the Barbary pirates event.
If there were no buyers.... one is as bad as the other.
@@boota1979 The existence of buyers is not an excuse. They could've resisted and fought and chased the buys away, but they choose to profit by selling their own people.
@@boota1979 sure but if the black leaders never forced their people to slavery then there would never of been any buyers. plus Britain would technically be called innocent, as as soon as slaves entered our country they were freed due to the 1066 invasion of Britain by summin the conquerer William? Yeah him of France who invaded britain and forced a law that under any circumstances Britain was not allowed slaves.
@@davideassis87 Okay then, it does not matter what you are selling, if you have no one buying you ain't gonna make any money, are you?
As a white man from the UK, I fully understand. My ancestors were oppressed by Vikings. I've been seeking reparations. But some of my ancestors were Vikings as well. So, I've been paying myself £20 each week in compensation.
"Enough is enough" is when we NEVER EVER forget the HISTORY. You can't fight to erase the HISTORY.
The end game here in her view is re-writing the history to suit her and others like her
Exactly, blacks will always bitch about something.
"We're still suffering." **She says as she's been taught English in order to integrate with society, well dressed, expensive fake hair, clearly has enough pull to appear on a television program, allowed to speak her mind freely with no repercussions, etc.** What are you even talking about?!
I sympathise and hate how some behaved in our history but I won't apologise for something I'm not guilty of or happened before I was born, I'm not responsible for that nor is anyone else unless they actively behave in the same way
But you're happy to reap the benefits of slavery, aren't you?
Exactly the Barbican slave trade was.loterally Africans selling Africans they also raided Ireland Iceland and the Scottish islands, everyone was at it bacl then
Why do you take pride i your ancestors but not shame?
@@Smarterthanyew I have nothing to be shamed about , my ancestors weren't running the country at the time , it just getting silly you can't hold be to account for something that happened nearly 200 years ago. It was atrocious what happened but we have to move on.
People like her who still cling onto the past always cause division when world wants to move forward and live in an integrated inclusive society with peace and harmony and celebrate diversity.
If everyone needs to apologize for things we had nothing to do with, let's start off with the black community apologizing to itself for selling their own into slavery.
If we go by your logic then the European nations should apologise & make amends becuz they had blk ppl as slaves n terrorized them for hundreds of yrs
Spot on Mr Douglas Murray 👏👏
When are the ones who actually sold the slaves to begin with going to have any accountability thrown at them?
Not possible, Zulu would un-alive them for asking! 💯
What ?
@@Rugmunchersauce3What? Who? When? Whom? Huh?
@johnnycaruthers7180 Surely the ignorant just need educating on the past, so that they can learn from it.... :D :D :D
Maybe it isn't the same coming from great, great, great , great grandpappy somehow.....
They wont, because they are not white.
People who did nothing wrong should apologize to people who were never victims - Paula.
Beautifully said douglas
Paula ... you go girl!! (and keep going ... and don't come back)
Unfortunately, they are only programmed to go in a circle, they have no concept of going it alone, they have no goal no prospect, no outlook. They always come back to the hand that feeds. That is until WE remove it.
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The part of history that has not been taught is the part that shows how much was done to stop slavery starting with England in the early 19th century. Any part of the historical context that does not promote victimization is ignored.
The reality of the case is that some of us want to make the world feel guilty for something that happened 200 years ago. The suffering that they never experienced but heard from the elders.... stop feeling less than others. If you keep giving them a platform it will never stop....
Yeeeeeesh, that was brutal. There’s just no chance of ever finding happiness or fulfillment in life if you’re perpetually identifying as a victim
A person can't apologise for something they didn't do
She talked about understanding the true history..." and my first thought was, "you mean the history that only you know and are going to educate the rest of us on despite everything we know as fact contradicting you."
These people are delusional.
Douglas is a national fucking treasure and so are you Piers for having this platform to combat today's ridiculousness.
You both need protecting, keep fighting these woke idiots
The Australian government said "SORRY" to the Aboriginals in 2008. It changed NOTHING.
Because apolgiea are meaningless without action
@@Smarterthanyewthe claim was APOLOGIES. Saying “sorry”. Nothing about action mean something! U want action, go to work
I am a mixed race woman. My son is white blond. Should my son apologize? How we decide who should apologize and who is a victim??? This is ridiculous it needs to stop. We are all victims of life and rhe past. No one should apologize for something they didn't do. Lessons learned and that's all. This is a step back on race!!
Should ask the Africans first
People. " RASCISM IS A BUSINESS " wake up !!!
Honestly I'm tired of the black vs white debate over a form of slavery that happened ages ago. However slavery still exists, its just been modernized as taxes, bills, laws, penal codes, etc. Americans and many others are forced to pay to live in society. If we choose not to partake in society and live freely we're put in prisons thus creating forced labor. If we haven't "paid our debts" then for some stupid reason it falls to our descendants who would eventually suffer the same fate. That's textbook Chattel Slavery definition. I won't be subjecting my lineage to such a fate. Its time to unite the people.
You should not be expected to apologise for the actions of a known relative such as a parent, a sibling or a child. Let alone ancestors you never met, you don't know the names of and who you know so little about that you can't even be sure they did the things they are being accused of. I will apologise for my actions. If I enslave someone, I will apologise for that. But I'm not apologising for something a unknown ancestor may or may not have done. And this is exactly why it can be a bad thing to apologise. I think of someone like Ainsley Harriot who went on who do you think you are and found out that he had a slave owning ancestor. But because he is black, people like this Paula who are so ignorant to history, would expect me (a white man who has no evidence to suggest he has a family history of slavery), to apologise to Ainsley Harriot (descendant of slave owners) just because he is black. America is so much more muddled than Britain too. These ideas seem to always originate in America, where people are so mixed racially, that there are many millions of people who would have a family history of being slaves and owning them. Where there are millions of black people who could not have been descended from slaves because their families arrived in America after slavery was abolished. And they would blame white men who again, may have arrived after abolition. If we are to accept that reparations are needed and apologies are justified, we would need to have EVERYONES family history researched because otherwise, there is a real possibility that people with no history of slaver ownership will be giving money to people who had slave owning ancestors. Then we would only be committing injustice in the 21st Century. And this is all despite my original point which was simply this. I don't give a fuck if my ancestors owned slaves. I didn't. My parents didn't. My Grandparents didn't. I know this because I can ask them. And my Grandparents have parents and grandparents who they know didn't own slaves. Anything past that, is unknown but so far removed i don't even know people who knew them. I will not be held responsible for the actions of complete strangers, even if they are my ancestors.
😭😭Nice content but too long😭😭
yet cvnts live lives off the profit of those who they've never met either... all that wordage for what?
what's owed... is owed.
pay now... pay later.
justice requires it.
@user-SubvurzIVthis will affect everyone. I would explain but your attention span must be short if you think my original post was too long. Let's just say idiots like you think everything is black and white. Victim Vs oppressor. Objective wrong Vs objective right. Truth and justice is often found in the middle. But I won't bore you with the truth. I'll leave you to think you are right because you have only scratched the surface and are unwilling to do a little reading.
Not reading all that fam
@@ProjectUnsoundDineen no. I don't expect you to read all that if you have a small attention span. But word of advice. Sometimes, it's ok not to have anything meaningful to contribute. On those occasions, just staying quiet is ok. You can do that.
The people who did this and the people it happened to, are all long gone.
Nobody owes anyone anything for what happened in the past.
To give money away because there are professional victims claiming, just leaves you wide open to a neverending stream of claimants.
If they want an apology, they need to go back to Africa to ask for it. African leaders sold them and petitioned for the slave trade to continue.
An apology will never be enough.
Paula,
I’m very very sorry for all the pain I have caused you and for my part in slavery. I hope you accept this apology, forgive me and I hope you can now put this behind you. I suppose what makes it so much worse is that I don’t recall any of it.
Now pay that woman.
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Douglas Murray is an eloquent, intelligent man. She's trouble.
That woman is seriously challenging my mental health on this Sunday but I am determined I will not do what my late son did. Her name is Paula. Paula have you any idea re the damage you are doing. I have nothing to apologise for unless my being here should be apologised for. You should seriously consider the damage you are inflicting
I hear you!
Wanting free money basically. That's all there is to it.
Like your ancestors. Look id be embarrased if slavery, theft, rape and pillage was the history of my ancestors tooz so i get it.
I’m a “Black Man” commenting here & even I’m tired of the whole slavery talk myself 🤷🏾♂️.
It’s boring , repetitive & it just makes you stuck in the past forever.
Places like America love to drag this conversation on FOREVER & all that does is stop you moving on into the future as best as you can 🤦🏾♂️✅.
Many aspects of “slavery” still exist today majority of it psychological but overall THIS IS ALL SOME OLD SH*T so it’s time to act better for the future instead of being stuck on OLD SH*T FOREVER.
If you apologise for something that wasn’t your fault, the apology means very little
Indeed. So give us back the money too.
@@Smarterthanyewwhat money?
Im dutch and a lot of people didnt agree with the apologize of the king. We can not apologize for what our ancestors did. And its all money driven. All the slave "ancestors" want a compensation.
Well said, Piers
Agree with piers 100%
It's a total grift . They are after money for nothing . And to say sorry while you give it to them . "Whaaa I'm a victim, give me money I don't deserve. " It's a culture thing.
Is mkney for nothing a bad thing? In that case why are you so proud of your country's history?
Douglas is a Boss!!!!
The best I've ever heard from Douglas! So on point.
Now, California is discussing a bill for financial reparations to african americans for $800 billion. 1 million per resident.
Douglas 💪 awesome bloke with no bullshit.
4:45 He asks :if we all say we're sorry today, can we finally move on?" She says "Yes". Okay, well we did that 200 years ago. In America, thousands of men said "sorry" with their lives.
I'm about 1/2 English, 1/4 Irish and the rest a mix of Scottish and Aussie. I spend a lot of time apologising to myself.
We have all been slaves at some point in history which country ever escaped it? Reparation? Where does it start and stop?
Virtually EVERYONE has said Slavery was bad and wrong,...over and over and over. It's now become tedious and meaningless. We are now many generations away from it all, this constant demand for more is just absurd. If Paula can't keep this story alive, she'd be out of a job,
Murray's speech there towards the end is memorable and gives one moral courage.
Just why does she need an apology? Was she taken from her people in Africa? Was she put in chains and forced to work for a landowner?
Because her Ancestors were enslaved and sold to European Traders to work in their plantation against their will?
She wasn't referring to like some personal, individual apology for herself but rather on the people (later descendants) that suffered under the brutal lash of slavery and later the Jim Crow era.
5:02 "So how are we going to learn from our failures". 5:09 "How do you learn from your failures".