As a black man, this is ridiculous. No one owes any apology to something that happened years and years ago. If we want to see a change, we gotta let the past go. Doing all of this won't change anything but make everything worse than the time of slavery.
I really do think in all honesty your response was so sincere and absolutely spot on. I am white I hate that slavery happened absolutely beyond doubt. We should all seek to be equal and move on. Whites have been slaves too. Why can't we all focus on the future and make it better. I'm sick and tired of having to feel guilty for being simply white. Spot on you speak sense
i agree. i have personally seen a rise in hate speach and a divide since the BLM thing kicked off. it's like it degraded relations and took us back 30 years or so. i would never do the kneel down and give the knee thing as i myself have never been disrespectful or had any hate for black people and come from a background of simple poor welsh mining folk who i doubt had any hand in the awful slavery of the past. all this nonsense is a gateway to more hate for sure
If it's ridiculous why does Piers have them on? So much of the media takes advantage of vulnerable people and it's weak. It's just another distraction of a countless many from the real issues going on.
Coming from a mixed white/black family and being 100% against racism. Playing the racism card against everything creats just more racism and people loose the sympathy for the cause. Totally agree with Piers!! It's exhausting!!
I’m a Nigerian living in Ireland and I dealt with the worst form of ethnicism back home in Nigeria than racism in Ireland. I’m exhausted listening to these disgruntled people who are just money hungry and don’t know anything about the issue they claim to fight for.
Exactly, I am a Nigerian living in Nigerian and tribalism is still the bane of our democracy and so it is in several African countries but you see a country that gives you equal opportunities alongside its native citizens and you still have the effrontery to complain when it isn't as if you have it better in your country of origin. Just shut up and live your life, gosh!!!
The people running Manchester when the ship was first put on the Coat of Arms were staunch abolitionists and Manchester hadn’t had involvement with slavery for generations. The ship symbolises Manchester as an industrial city and it’s connections with trading with the world. It’s absolutely insane to link it to slavery.
No one ever mentions reparations from the black nobles from Africa who actually sold their own people to the European slave traders. Or the African tribes that enslaved white people. No one ever talks about the Romans enslaving Europeans including the British. If everyone pays reparations we would just be exchanging money to each other because we all, more than likely, have suffered from the actions of our ancestors with regards to enslavement.
Lol. Like the rest of us, Piers is maturing. As we mature, we get more and more conservative. Old adage - if you are young and are not liberal minded, you have no heart. If you are older and are not conservative, you have no brain.
He said women are emotional and then the 2 women start making noises and trying to interrupt him…. Proving his point literally seconds after saying it. Priceless ❤
Ignorant people are emotional. IMO, it has nothing to do with IQ. Christopher Hitchens was emotional at times and very ignorant, but he was as bright as anyone else. He simply allowed his passions to cloud his judgement.
I’m a 43yr old American woman but I agree! Us women put feelings into situations that they shouldn’t!!! I don’t think it would be a good idea for a woman to become president because of that fact!
You serious? So you expect that if you offend somebody, they just sit and listen without any reaction? This has nothing to do with being a woman and so called emotional.....They have every right to be surprised even Piers Morgan seem to be surprised.
7:53 Calls him, “brother” 9:47 Calls him, “brother” 11:20 Calls him, “brother” back to back 11:28 offended he calls her, “sister” What game are we playing here. These women were absolutely ridiculous here. And should be ashamed of their behavior. He was honestly trying to have a genuine dialogue with them, and they immediately outcasted him from the moment they realized he wasn’t on their side.
These women are so embarrassing and ignorant, it's appalling. It's literally impossible for me respect their behavior, I was impressed with their appearance and had high hopes, but they really , REALLY , let down women AND "black" people. It's just gross
She wears it for a political statement to associate with her heritage, but I'd like to know when was the last time she actually visited Africa and for how long it was. Many black Western girls and older women pushing for 'African causes' have never actually been to Africa, but for and if, a wedding or a funeral.
I'm a Serbian but was raised in Ghana since I was 2 years old and now I'm 34....I experienced some racism towards me...But very rarely...And if I was to judge a whole country based on a few racists then that would make me an ignorant and stupid man..If I ignore all the help I got from my Ghanaian brothers and sisters just because of a few racists then call me a foolish man...all this woke and cancel culture is soo stupid...I will never take the bait....And will always love everyone as long as they don't hate me...
She will be recognised for centuries, for the woman that proved racism still exists. Maybe a statue or two put in place of winston Churchill who knows what proud woman she must be 😂
She wouldn't have a job if she didn't. These people want racism to survive. They have identified as victims their entire life and have probably always had their own way.
As a black British man, I couldn't disagree more with this. People love to be a victim of anything and everything. I'll speak out when I see real obvious racism
I used to like old spice aftershave because of the little ship on the bottle, and every time I put some on all I could think about is the slave plantation 🙄
When I was a kid I used to love drawing pictures of ships, not because of slavery but because I wanted to be a pirate. Do I now have to apologize to all black people and pay extra taxes to black people as an apology for drawing ships when I was 6? This is ridiculous! The ships were added years after the fact and are probably more to do with Manchester Canals than slavery. And so this nonsense has to stop. THE WORLD HAS GONE NUTS! I want to get off. Thank you.
Stop giving these crazy people air time. The more you give them the worse they'll be. And they never let you talk or make your point. All they do is scream and shout over you cause they can't defend the crazy narrative they're trying to push. And sitting laughing like little children when a black man comes on and talks sense is disgusting behaviour.
It's done for clicks. They find the only two people in the world that want this and pretend it's a big issue. Morgan is a nob. He could be talking about government ruining the NHS but no.
This whole thing is a grift to make money. I honestly don''t think any od the people claiming these stupid ideas are acting in good faith. I rather ignore and ridicule them to be honest.
As a German guy who was born in the early 80s I can promise you I would never apologize for what happened in Germany in WW2. Do I support what happened? Hell no. but why would I have to apologize? I had nothing to do with it.
Agreed, we need to move on but atleast the people that were directly affected are still alive. There is a real claim for reparations where it can be proven that families were robbed and their wealth is sitting in a swiss bank. So atleast its somewhat relavent. if this was 2200AD, The reperation time period has passed. I am sorry.
my friends grandfather still has the number on his arm which when you look at it and know what happened, its like a holy sh*t moment. If I were to see a slave with whip marks on his back and chain scars, it would evoke the same emotions but if my friend had to try claim the same sympathy that his grandfather went through, it would not be the same.
“Brother” is used in a derogatory way by black people referring to a black man when he’s perceived to be taking a stance against the black race in an argument or debate. It’s a low key passive aggressive way to call him an Uncle Tom. Almost as an attempt to remind him of his blackness. I don’t engage with people like that.
As a black Nigerian who's done a bit of probing into history too, I am flaming angry that other blacks have made a crusade out of this issue all for the sake of victimising whites with eternal guilt over slavery that we in Africa were equally engaged in. The practice was something so endemic that growing up in the late sixties my grandmother (who was over a 100 at the time) was familiar with the practice and could point to branches of the family that had been brought in as slaves. On a visit to a neighbouring town along the coast of Southern Nigeria, I stumbled on a row of cannons facing the river that I was told was used by African chiefs to fight back British Navy Anti-slavery ships. In all the blather of that woman, how is it everyone is forgetting it was the British and Americans who did the unprecedented to - not only abolish the practice - but fight wars to end it?!? My blood boils when I see people like that lady on the panel spouting such gibberish and being given a hearing! Yes, let her speak, but let's all know she is speaking from her deep ignorance. Her voice grates on my very soul as she brays along about things she knows zilch about.
These are not Africans let me tell you, these women are Americans, the ignorance? , the contradiction in every sentence? Cmon it cannot get more American than that, this is Americans have become after trump and the zombie partisan war virus hit
Honestly this is becoming exhausting. As a black African from Ghana I find it so nauseating to watch these so-called civil right advocates talking about such nonsense. By the way, have we stopped for a moment to consider the role of Africans themselves in the sale of their own kinsmen? Today, slavery is still going on in Mauritania and these folks are concerned about 150, 200 year old symbols. Shame on them.
To me that is the real rub, that there is documentation that Africans sold other Africans to the slave trade. And that it still goes on today in small areas in Africa. Let them jump on a ship and go to Africa to correct the current problem while we try to work out the problems at home relating to inequality. As an American I look at California (left there for good in 2007) looking to pay reparations to those who in no way were affected by slavery.
I am black and I am African,and I live in Africa, but I am not offended by these flags at all. They actually have nice designs if I am honest. These black ladies don't represent most of us. Let's stop fighting about little things and help each other make the world better through love and empathy
Also the City of Manchester's coat of arms depicts a ship. All to represent it's industrial past. For which the Manchester ship canal was contructed. To import & export goods for industry. The canal though, was constructed some 30 years or so after the abolition of the slave trade. Doesn't mean a thing. Are we all to look at a ship now & suddenly think of slaves.....I don't think so! Things are getting to be ridiculous.
@Akili...so many of you white people come on here saying you're black before disrespecting black people...go to hell. And if you're "black", we don't want ignorant traitors like you amongst us. These sisters ARE TRUE REPRESENTATIVES of proud, conscientious black people, most of us. Go and take those "nice designs" with all the racist symbols there is a decorate your home. Leave us black people alone.
I owe no one an apology for something that didn't happen to anyone alive today. This is ridiculous, victimhood is addictive. These 2 women are beyond rude, can't let anyone talk without noise and crackling.. hard to hear their point when acting the fool
The cultural nuvonazis wont stop. The left always existed until the second ammendment allowed for a second party, the right... in england and in the whole world people were controlled by big government or big monarchy.. they wont let themselves evolve out of a thousands of years old way of living..
Not sure who said it but the perfect response is "you weren't enslaved and I didn't own any" but how rude are these women? they're callin him Brotha but get offended by sistah and the constant commentary
This is a proof that you can make a problem out of everything. I remember in my philosophy class we were asked to make a question out of anything and debating it.
I am African and I think the world is going nuts on so many levels. We’ve got real issues in our societies not this! Let’s just focus on being kind and loving each other while we solve the current issues like poverty
These people are beyond reason. I think we are getting to the point where even acknowledging them or taking them seriously is doing everyone else a disservice.
Yeah, it was painful to watch. I had to pause it and yell several times. My poor neighbours. It was funny to hear that crap about the Irish should complain to the Vikings.
Couldn't agree more . It is a complete waste of time . They are so eaten up with (faux) victimhood that they cannot be rational or fair . They are takers of all of our advanced culture and opportunities and give almost nothing back which is of worth or merit or that we could very easily do without .
As a black man, I would like to apologise for the massacre my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather lead upon the Igbo tribe, killing 109, injuring 85, raping 47 and enslaving 32. I feel a deep sense of shame and feel duty bound to spend my life apologising.
learn your history, the Arabs (Muslims) were the first slave traders, also check out how many white, European people who were captured around the Barbary Coast, the Ottoman Empire, history isnt about picking what bits are acceptable to you.
At school during history class, I was taught about Britain's naval strength dating back to the 1st Elizabethan age and how England defeated the Spanish Armada; how the navy played a part in both World Wars; explorers like Sir Francis Drake, Sir Walter Raleigh, Marco Polo, Vasco da Gama. Ships were just the mode of international transport during that time. I have never associated tall sailing ships as a symbol of slavery and I'm black.
Thank you Sylvia for your post, and I believe that most POC are as sane and based as you, I know my friends are, however grifters like these 2 are many and they boil your piss 😂 I have never looked on these ships and thought of slavery either, I look at them and think of the show “The Onedin Line” which was a show my mum always watched in the 70’s, set way back with women in big swishy dresses and real men 😂😂
and now you know your supposed to Blame them blame people and items for being racist never be happy with existing and making a good life for yourself just blame and shout and demand money be given to you
These dumb people believe in Critical Race Theory. Academic critics of CRT argue it is based on storytelling instead of evidence and reason, rejects truth and merit, and opposes liberalism. CRT was created in the US post civil rights movement,. CRM used CRT as a stick to beat white people over the head with their 'evil' history. CRT black people are woke, nuts and never ever bother with research as they think they know it all.
I know right.. Africans enslaved Africans on a massive scale..Ottomans enslaved Greeks, Italians and other Europeans, Europeans and Amerucans enslaved Africans, Aztecs enslaved Naitive Americans, Mongols enslaved Chinese, Koreans enslaved Koreans.. Throughout history everyone enslaved people. It was seen as nornal
@@TigerGill220 We're living in a Monty Python sketch. Reminds me of this one they had about this confused highway man starting out stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. Ending up holding up carriages, to then trying hard to make it so everyone on them had the same amount of wealth. Saying; "Blimey, this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought." :D
Slave labour was abolished in the UK in 1837 way before the shipping canals were completed in 1893 which the ship represents on both Manchester clubs badges. They haven’t even bothered to do basic research
@@mch2007uk maybe it was, i’m not 100% but that’s just what i saw. all i know is that manchester united didn’t even adopt that badge until 1902 so it’s not even a debate anyway.
and african slaves never even came to britain, 1066 domesday book “any man who breathes the pure air of england is a free man” that’s why american slave owners would not come to england with their slaves, there was a case in 1791 where the slave become a free man soon as he stepped foot in england
I'm a black guy and find this conversation ridiculous. I live in Africa and it makes me realize that people in the West have run out of problems so they are looking for new ones. Ships on an emblem? Really?
I love how she started off by saying it was up to the historians to uncover the truth, and then when Piers told her what historians say, she’s just like “well we don’t know, that’s just one perspective”. It’s a waste of time talking to these people. No matter how many times you prove them wrong, they just keep coming.
Writer C.S. Lewis said something very similar about people in his day who would constantly shift their ground and "move the goalpost" in an argument. Something like, "Be on your guard against such folks... they'll only waste your time."
Some black people just want the race card back ' just picking on the uk constantly ' slavery still goes on in africa today ' they traded their own people ' with the roman empire ' but don't tell her that 🤣
The level of disrespect from those two women when Hotep was speaking, is astounding. If this had happened when a woman was talking, and two men started mocking her, there would have been an outcry....!
@Mayshus Almighty...Hotep is an uppity Ni&ger...the kind of self-loathing so called "black people" who are black people's biggest problem today...so much more than the racists. These sell out traitors are the ones racist bigots use to fight against black people. The two beautiful intelligent black women were disrespected by this wolf in sheep clothing. Unless the black race get rid of these back stabbers, the race will never achieve much progress.
You have to remember that Talkradio (and now Talktv) isn’t quality news but is only tabloid sensationalism. It’s more entertainment than factual. It’s like calling Jerry Springer a news channel, in fact Jeremy Kyle is a Talkradio presenter so that tells you everything.
They call him brotha and get offended when he calls them sista. He actually dealt with their absurdity better than I could have imagined. He never resorted to shouting and stayed with truth, despite 2 grown children shouting at him, putting words in his mouth, and giving snarky remarks. Well done!
@@dennisnielsen8030 To be fair; the swedes were never really a big participant in the raids on Britain. When the Danish and Norwegian Vikings were working hard conquering the isles, the swedes were doing pleasure cruises east. I think it was around that time they invented charter tourism.
Whenever we talk abount slavery, we only seem to talk about 'black slavery'. If we go back to the Roman Empire, there were slaves from all eithic groups, yet we never seem to talk about them. Seems to me that the 'black' community think that the slavery their ancestors suffered is special. They also seem to conviently forget, that the very first black slave traders, were in fact, other blacks, and all in exchange for tabaco of all things.
They also forget that slavery is still going on today, that people are being trafficked. But I guess that is fine in their eyes as its not "real" slavery.
That's like saying the Jewish Community think the holocaust they suffered is special... After all even black people suffered during the holocaust but no one mentions that
They also forget the Barbary Pirates that used to raid the Mediterranean countries to take white people to be sold into slavery at various points along North Africa. They estimate over a million people were traded. The Barbary Pirates even raided as far up as the UK.
As a Black woman, I’m embarrassed by my own people ! This is disgusting how our people (black folks) always looking to be a victim in every area of life.
To be fair we are all individuals stuck on this planet together i personally try to get on and have a laugh with all, no need to feel embarrassed your ok ,im a 50 year old run of the mill white bloke and i dont quite get it saying that i dont get alot of whats going on to be fair😂
I get it when their is obvious and real racism. And because of this fact i like your words. Its out of time. Its a badge with a ship. Just a ship. And most players no matter the skin colour have no problem to play with the ship badge at their Shirt. Its just a ship at a badge.
Those women are so unbelievably rude. Sniggering and laughing and constantly talking when the guy was trying to articulate his point. And they can call him “brother” but he can’t call her “sister”. Amazing
There are more slaves in the world TODAY than at any point in recorded history. Mostly sex slaves, many of them children. If these ladies cared that’s what they’d focus on, not cartoon drawings of boats…
As a black person I’m finding this extremely frustrating. By Calling racism on any old crap they can find it devalues what actually happened with slavery and when genuine acts of discrimination occur. It also seeks division which in turn is likely to cause actual discrimination. Why not give it a rest and just try to get on with each other?
Absolute facts , everyone struggles , it’s about working together to get through this rollercoaster called life . I see these ladies as bullies , pushing a dated agenda that isn’t relevant today , for their own gain. Like you say all it does it keep racism alive .
The fact that Africans trapped and sold their own as slaves, makes them the same as any person (black, green, white , yellow or any others) which is evil and what’s colour got to do with that fact???? Ships on a badge ffs……
As a African man this is stupid they acted like they care but I don’t see any of them going back to Africa to develop where their ancestors came from. Stop crying about the boat before slavery boats were around.
I could enlighten you as to why this is happening, but instead I'll just look at you clothed in my great great grandfather's wealth from my position of abject poverty and listen to you from your moral high ground. You're absolutely right.
Oh, and to not be mistaken, I don't support the bullshit these women are spewing. Black leaders are still being killed today, and you decide to fight a damn ship on a flag? Nonsense!!!
Can’t say this can’t say that ! I’m 75 this year lived on rations in the fifties enjoyed my teenage year in the 60 raised three children and was looking forwards to my retirement. All this agro at the moment is upsetting . After the 2 nd world war we were just happy to be alive .
As a British Asian who is the product of colonialism....this debate is a joke...agree with Piers, if you keep apologising for things that didnt involve you, then we will be in a constant loop of saying sorry and seeking forgiven for the past rather than focussing on today and tomorrow being made better
I can’t apologise for something I wasn’t there for, can’t change, and had no say in. I’m fed up with the constant bashing. Hopefully, it worked out ok for you. I hope you are happy and healthy. But, I won’t feel guilty for something I, or anyone I can trace back in my family, have done. I come from working class people. My great grandmother was in the workhouse in east London! Little more than a slave herself.
the constant loop is exactly what is wanted. if your constantly saying sorry and feeling guilty then theres constant reparations and money is involved in that, large sums of money. the constant loop gives so many perks and allows you to silence great swades of people from making an opinion should you be enclined to use such underhanded tactics, hell piers they could have just called privilaged to silence him, they claimed he did not have a shared lived experience. to hotep they could easily have implied that he was under the control of privilaged people or even a mouth piece for privilaged individuals. I seen it so many times and it really needs to stop and people need to get back to common sense solving of problems that actually affect people and treating root causes not the ideological swing causes. hell look at american police, brutality 100% of the time leads to the loss of life but they are not treating police brutality because they are calling it systemic racism
Those two women proved the American guy's point. They were being very emotional,.talking over each other, screeching. Bonnie keeps saying listen and then failing to listen to anyone but herself.
These two horrible people wouldn’t let him speak, laughed, being rude to him. Now! That’s pure ignorance. There Again! What can you expect from them! Can’t expect anything else from pigs but a grunt!!
Modern black people are not slaves. Modern white people aren’t slave owners. Why should white people pay for previous white peoples wrongdoings? Unity is the most important, not white people giving up their life and service to black people for their whiteness. It’s transverse racism to think that’s okay. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. History is terrible but I’m not part of the new chapter where white people let themselves become oppressed when the racial power shifts change to black people. This will just repeat 🔁 all over again except this time round future generations will be told about how black people also oppressed and enslaved whites 200 years later for revenge.
Every time i see Paula Rhone Adrien she wants an apology for something that happened to black people, now it seems to me that she is now become the racist she needs to move on from the past because i am sick and tired of apologizing for something that happened over two hundred years ago.
Mate using the reparations logic you would have received reparations from the English from when they occupied Ireland and from when England invaded and occupied Scotland in 1200s and from the Vikings (who also en-slaved the Irish). But then because you have Viking in you and since Scotland also had colonies before the act of union you also have to pay reparations for that.
@Tom-iv3nd using reparations 'logic' (there is none) everyone around the world would have to be apologising to one another constantly because every group of people ever to have existed have been both perpetrators and victims of slavery.
The way the guy is chilled and talking in good faith not taking it personally while the 2 women are mocking and bullying him all the way gives an absolute depth to every team's argument .. WOKE people are simply soar and toxic , they hate themselves and project this hate on literally everything and everybody around .
sore*. Though they do kinda soar as one would have to be high as a kite on oneself to actually believe this woke garbage that's unbridledly gushing forth out of their various orifices.
Yes, he is measured and polite and up against these two woke leftists... I don't understand why Bonnie Greer has become British if she dislikes us so much.
soon they'll come for us for selling their ancestors. its f7nny how no 1 talksmabout liberia, the country where natives africans were screwed by free black americans .?..maybe black americans should be asked to pay native liberians reparation
Yes , they massively negatively stereotype their own race/colour . Absolutely no help needed from white people . These brothers and sisters are doing it all by themselves .
People aren't taking this serious enough: I watched the City game last week, saw those badges and by the end of the match I had 8 slaves planting cotton in my garden. How has this been allowed to happen? This has to stop!
I know right the sheer disrespect, the little remarks they even insult his name. It’s all one way though with black folks these days, I hate they can call me white boy but I say black boy im offensive
The contempt of the black woman against the black man in full display. How dare a black man not agree with whatever stupid argument I have as a black woman. He probably wasn't raised right.
Newton Heath badge includes a train, as coal was transported by train from Liverpool. At some point, having had enough of Liverpool workers' strikes, some people in Manchester decided to build a canal. Thereafter coal was transported from Liverpool to Manchester by ships. Hence ships on the football badges of both Manchester teams
I think it was built to by pass Liverpool coz of huge docking fees Liverpool we’re charging Manchester???? Correct me if am wrong Am from Liverpool and a huge Liverpool fan And I find this is a load of crap There is nothing racist about either badges
What’s wrong with an apology? The people who should apologize are long gone from life. I won’t apologize for something that I had nothing to do with. These ladies should stop attacking people to demand apologies for things that their victims had nothing to do with!
There isn’t a family in the world that didn’t do anything wrong in there history. I wonder if they would like to apologise the rest of there life for all the sins there families did
What a load of horse shit. They say they want to educate us, why? It was abolished 250 years ago. And as for the Irish taking umbridge with the Icelandics or the Brits with the vikings and Romans. Would that then give her the justification to carry on banging her slavery narrative. WW2 is much a more recent historical event how many Germans born after 1945 have sleepless nights due to Hitlers annihilation of Jews. I bet none. Would it be appropriate for white Europeans to start educating ppl about the barbary pirates, no, do you know why? because it happened years ago and we don't give a shit
@@JurOz1980 true. Imagine everyone on the whole world greet each other by saying "I'm sorry for what my ancestors did" instead of simply saying "Hello". lol
Some people want to be offended so badly they can’t stand it. They can find something offensive with every single thing. This is ridiculous. These people are so narcissistic they have to have attention and this is how they get it. We should ignore it.
Piers just explained her why it does not relate to slavery with facts and she repies "aNd hOw dO we KnOw aBouT tHaT" like a proper idiot, omg these people think the world revolves around them
They think they're the only race to have ever been enslaved. MILLIONS upon MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of WHITE people were enslaved for centuries. I don't see the Arabs grovelling with an apology to White people, nor have the Turks apologized, nor the Mongolians, nor the Egyptians, nor the Persians, etc etc etc.........
I’m black American and fully agree with the gentleman! We are in a society where we worry about the wrong things that add no value to our life! We are a regressive culture with a lost generation!
I met a German years ago when I was travelling through America . We were talking and his exact words were “I hope there aren’t going to be issues between us.” I asked “why would there be?!” He responded “well I am German, you are English. You know cause of the war.” I said “Benny, you’re 21, I’m 23. Neither of us were born when the war was going on. Our parents weren’t born. Why would I have a problem with you?!” After that we started drinking and had a great night together. That was 14 years ago, and I still remember what a great guy he was, and how much fun we had. You can’t apologise for something you were not a part of!
@The Royal Recollections...You''re "black American" with a British flag identity, which suggest you're a confused man. If opening your mouth does nothing to uplift black people, then keep it closed.
This proves your not gullible ' your realising that the woke ' are phoney idiots ' just out to cause more tension ' about anything they claim happens '
That's a great attitude to take. I believe that around 1000 years ago the Irish were raiding Cornwall and Wales. Best to leave history in the past. Otherwise, the English would still be fighting the French. lol Seriously, it is not wise to listen to people who tell you are a victim. Reminds me of that recent South Park episode with the "Prince of Canada". 😁 Irish people are making good everywhere. I'm from Australia. Our airline QANTAS is run by an Irishman Mr. Joyce. Everybody hates him so maybe that's a bad example, but my point is that his position at that airline is a great achievement. Not because he is Irish, but because he is not from Australia. I imagine that he must of been better than all of the candidates for the position that were from Australia. Now that Britain has left the EU there will be even more international business done in the Irish Republic.
The ship on Manchester's coat of arms probably represents pride in the Manchester ship canal. As stated, it wasn't even put on the crest until decades after slavery was abolished.
Absolutely and it's very easy to find something when it's all you think about and can attach it to everything without presenting any evidence whilst disregarding all evidence against your claims
I disagree, this bloke makes a lot of money for being devils advocate. If the next guest advocates the opposite he will take the other side - has no opinion , just raking it in.
As a black man, this is ridiculous. No one owes any apology to something that happened years and years ago. If we want to see a change, we gotta let the past go. Doing all of this won't change anything but make everything worse than the time of slavery.
I really do think in all honesty your response was so sincere and absolutely spot on. I am white I hate that slavery happened absolutely beyond doubt. We should all seek to be equal and move on. Whites have been slaves too. Why can't we all focus on the future and make it better. I'm sick and tired of having to feel guilty for being simply white. Spot on you speak sense
These people need to get a real job that actually makes them to tired to keep dragging up the past
i agree. i have personally seen a rise in hate speach and a divide since the BLM thing kicked off. it's like it degraded relations and took us back 30 years or so. i would never do the kneel down and give the knee thing as i myself have never been disrespectful or had any hate for black people and come from a background of simple poor welsh mining folk who i doubt had any hand in the awful slavery of the past. all this nonsense is a gateway to more hate for sure
If it's ridiculous why does Piers have them on? So much of the media takes advantage of vulnerable people and it's weak. It's just another distraction of a countless many from the real issues going on.
Then allow others air their discomfort about it just because you're black doesn't mean you speak for everyone who is black.
“Try being a black woman.”
Yeah, her life must be really stressful if she can waste time complaining about a little ship on a badge.
Piers already identifies as a black lesbian so he must know the struggles
@@bertspringdog lol
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....these are utterly ghastly women. This is what happens when you don't have to work for a living.
she gets well paid for voicing her opinion on these matters....easier than many other more meaningful or productive career choices
Coming from a mixed white/black family and being 100% against racism. Playing the racism card against everything creats just more racism and people loose the sympathy for the cause. Totally agree with Piers!! It's exhausting!!
I’m a Nigerian living in Ireland and I dealt with the worst form of ethnicism back home in Nigeria than racism in Ireland. I’m exhausted listening to these disgruntled people who are just money hungry and don’t know anything about the issue they claim to fight for.
You are a breath of fresh air 😊
Well said. 👍
So well said!
Exactly, I am a Nigerian living in Nigerian and tribalism is still the bane of our democracy and so it is in several African countries but you see a country that gives you equal opportunities alongside its native citizens and you still have the effrontery to complain when it isn't as if you have it better in your country of origin. Just shut up and live your life, gosh!!!
@@greatworld8230 respect you Sir; how well said
The people running Manchester when the ship was first put on the Coat of Arms were staunch abolitionists and Manchester hadn’t had involvement with slavery for generations. The ship symbolises Manchester as an industrial city and it’s connections with trading with the world. It’s absolutely insane to link it to slavery.
The way united have been over the last 10 years they should change that ship to the titanic!
@@armondtanz HAHAHAHAHAHA
Well said.
And sail ships went down the Manchester ship canal. Nothing to do with slavery.
No one ever mentions reparations from the black nobles from Africa who actually sold their own people to the European slave traders. Or the African tribes that enslaved white people. No one ever talks about the Romans enslaving Europeans including the British. If everyone pays reparations we would just be exchanging money to each other because we all, more than likely, have suffered from the actions of our ancestors with regards to enslavement.
There must be something wrong with the world when I agree with Piers more and more
There is complete insanity taking over the west.
Who can we Vikings go after for money?
Don't forget his COVID sins. They are too grave and sever. I'll never forgive and forget
No No, there is something wrong with the world when you have idiots who think ships are racist!!!
Lol. Like the rest of us, Piers is maturing. As we mature, we get more and more conservative.
Old adage - if you are young and are not liberal minded, you have no heart. If you are older and are not conservative, you have no brain.
He said women are emotional and then the 2 women start making noises and trying to interrupt him…. Proving his point literally seconds after saying it. Priceless ❤
exactly 😅
Ignorant people are emotional. IMO, it has nothing to do with IQ. Christopher Hitchens was emotional at times and very ignorant, but he was as bright as anyone else. He simply allowed his passions to cloud his judgement.
They were instantly triggered and got emotional. You’re correct, his point was proven before he ever finished his sentence.
I’m a 43yr old American woman but I agree! Us women put feelings into situations that they shouldn’t!!! I don’t think it would be a good idea for a woman to become president because of that fact!
You serious? So you expect that if you offend somebody, they just sit and listen without any reaction? This has nothing to do with being a woman and so called emotional.....They have every right to be surprised even Piers Morgan seem to be surprised.
The two ladies called this dude "brother" half a dozen times and then get upset when he says "sister" once. 😂
Exactly what I thought 🤷🏻♀️
Manchester Uniteds Crest literally has an emblem of the Devil and they're worrying about a ship 😂
Bruuh
😂don't start 😂they haven't seen it 😂agenda driven victim warriors 😂
He missed that. Good point
Habibi dont lead them to that
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Great point!
7:53 Calls him, “brother”
9:47 Calls him, “brother”
11:20 Calls him, “brother” back to back
11:28 offended he calls her, “sister”
What game are we playing here. These women were absolutely ridiculous here. And should be ashamed of their behavior. He was honestly trying to have a genuine dialogue with them, and they immediately outcasted him from the moment they realized he wasn’t on their side.
It was the fact that he only called them that once he was called out
I wanna watch them watch this interview and react to it lol. Because that was hard to get through. Lol
@@goonz6249 pretty sure they were calling everyone and everything out the whole time. Ridiculous.
Generally, wmn have no integrity or honour.
These women are so embarrassing and ignorant, it's appalling. It's literally impossible for me respect their behavior, I was impressed with their appearance and had high hopes, but they really , REALLY , let down women AND "black" people. It's just gross
As a proud Ghanaian 🇬🇭. watching that woman wear kente and spew gibberish is appalling 💔
She's about fashion and that includes political fashion.
She wears it for a political statement to associate with her heritage, but I'd like to know when was the last time she actually visited Africa and for how long it was. Many black Western girls and older women pushing for 'African causes' have never actually been to Africa, but for and if, a wedding or a funeral.
I'm a Serbian but was raised in Ghana since I was 2 years old and now I'm 34....I experienced some racism towards me...But very rarely...And if I was to judge a whole country based on a few racists then that would make me an ignorant and stupid man..If I ignore all the help I got from my Ghanaian brothers and sisters just because of a few racists then call me a foolish man...all this woke and cancel culture is soo stupid...I will never take the bait....And will always love everyone as long as they don't hate me...
Thank you for your comment. My family originally is from Spain. Maybe I walk around in a flamenco outfit or a bullfighter suit
Why? You think it is cultural appropriation?
I'm Irish, 1000s of us got shipped to Carribbean as slaves, you don't see us protesting about man city's ship emblem..utter nonsense
You have to admire her commitment to keeping racism alive 👏👏👏
PMSL
She will be recognised for centuries, for the woman that proved racism still exists. Maybe a statue or two put in place of winston Churchill who knows what proud woman she must be 😂
She's made a career out of it...
She wouldn't have a job if she didn't. These people want racism to survive. They have identified as victims their entire life and have probably always had their own way.
It really does feel like that. There isn't any racism in the UK but there is a hell of a lot of demand for it.
As a black British man, I couldn't disagree more with this. People love to be a victim of anything and everything. I'll speak out when I see real obvious racism
@MH
I think the above comment is soooooooo racist!!!!😂
@@alanmurray5963 how?
@@mustalks7426 becuase you dont agree with those woman xD
Thank you sir for speaking common sense.
Well said
I used to wear my Blue Peter badge (with a ship on it) with pride, not because I won it in a competition, but because I secretly wanted to own slaves.
😂
I used to like old spice aftershave because of the little ship on the bottle, and every time I put some on all I could think about is the slave plantation 🙄
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lol
The audacity of an island race to have ships represent their history.
When I was a kid I used to love drawing pictures of ships, not because of slavery but because I wanted to be a pirate. Do I now have to apologize to all black people and pay extra taxes to black people as an apology for drawing ships when I was 6? This is ridiculous! The ships were added years after the fact and are probably more to do with Manchester Canals than slavery. And so this nonsense has to stop. THE WORLD HAS GONE NUTS! I want to get off. Thank you.
@@HIP54 nothing to do with slavery I'm sick of this BS
According to wokeness and stupidity... you could be a slaver in the future.
Does everything offend people 🤔
@@johnwhitehead6720 anything for money
@@HIP54 Notice how black liberals ignore the fact their race is the largest enslavers the planet has ever known.
Pure projection.
Stop giving these crazy people air time. The more you give them the worse they'll be.
And they never let you talk or make your point. All they do is scream and shout over you cause they can't defend the crazy narrative they're trying to push.
And sitting laughing like little children when a black man comes on and talks sense is disgusting behaviour.
Please let them continue to expose theirselves
It's done for clicks. They find the only two people in the world that want this and pretend it's a big issue. Morgan is a nob. He could be talking about government ruining the NHS but no.
This whole thing is a grift to make money. I honestly don''t think any od the people claiming these stupid ideas are acting in good faith. I rather ignore and ridicule them to be honest.
@@gugy68 no, I think they actually believe it, scary I know.
Yeh these two did my head in, they definitely shouldn't be on together
As a German guy who was born in the early 80s I can promise you I would never apologize for what happened in Germany in WW2. Do I support what happened? Hell no. but why would I have to apologize? I had nothing to do with it.
totally agree with you i was born in 1970s britain.
Agreed, we need to move on but atleast the people that were directly affected are still alive. There is a real claim for reparations where it can be proven that families were robbed and their wealth is sitting in a swiss bank. So atleast its somewhat relavent. if this was 2200AD, The reperation time period has passed. I am sorry.
my friends grandfather still has the number on his arm which when you look at it and know what happened, its like a holy sh*t moment. If I were to see a slave with whip marks on his back and chain scars, it would evoke the same emotions but if my friend had to try claim the same sympathy that his grandfather went through, it would not be the same.
She’s consistently calling him “brother,” yet wants him to call her by her name and seems insulted when he calls her “sister.” 🙄
Exactly...
And she would lie TO YOUR FACE if you pulled her up about it. HYPOCRITES to the last, every damned one
😅I think they were just having some fun with each other 😊
@@SmilusMusic I agree 😂
“Brother” is used in a derogatory way by black people referring to a black man when he’s perceived to be taking a stance against the black race in an argument or debate. It’s a low key passive aggressive way to call him an Uncle Tom. Almost as an attempt to remind him of his blackness.
I don’t engage with people like that.
@@SmilusMusicno they weren’t ! Paula gets offended over everything !
As a black Nigerian who's done a bit of probing into history too, I am flaming angry that other blacks have made a crusade out of this issue all for the sake of victimising whites with eternal guilt over slavery that we in Africa were equally engaged in. The practice was something so endemic that growing up in the late sixties my grandmother (who was over a 100 at the time) was familiar with the practice and could point to branches of the family that had been brought in as slaves. On a visit to a neighbouring town along the coast of Southern Nigeria, I stumbled on a row of cannons facing the river that I was told was used by African chiefs to fight back British Navy Anti-slavery ships.
In all the blather of that woman, how is it everyone is forgetting it was the British and Americans who did the unprecedented to - not only abolish the practice - but fight wars to end it?!? My blood boils when I see people like that lady on the panel spouting such gibberish and being given a hearing! Yes, let her speak, but let's all know she is speaking from her deep ignorance. Her voice grates on my very soul as she brays along about things she knows zilch about.
Well said
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You couldn't have said it better
These are not Africans let me tell you, these women are Americans, the ignorance? , the contradiction in every sentence? Cmon it cannot get more American than that, this is Americans have become after trump and the zombie partisan war virus hit
As an Englishman (And a Manc lad born and raised,currently in Bangkok)
Thank you.
Honestly this is becoming exhausting. As a black African from Ghana I find it so nauseating to watch these so-called civil right advocates talking about such nonsense. By the way, have we stopped for a moment to consider the role of Africans themselves in the sale of their own kinsmen? Today, slavery is still going on in Mauritania and these folks are concerned about 150, 200 year old symbols. Shame on them.
To me that is the real rub, that there is documentation that Africans sold other Africans to the slave trade. And that it still goes on today in small areas in Africa. Let them jump on a ship and go to Africa to correct the current problem while we try to work out the problems at home relating to inequality. As an American I look at California (left there for good in 2007) looking to pay reparations to those who in no way were affected by slavery.
I call them BLACK'tivist...lol
Spot on.
A prime example of two women who fit 100% the saying - 'You can't cure stupidity.'
I am black and I am African,and I live in Africa, but I am not offended by these flags at all. They actually have nice designs if I am honest. These black ladies don't represent most of us. Let's stop fighting about little things and help each other make the world better through love and empathy
Its always the Blacks who have never been to Africa who are the hell raisers.
These are woke black ladies who are wanting entitlement. They aren't African. Big difference. Black karens
Also the City of Manchester's coat of arms depicts a ship. All to represent it's industrial past. For which the Manchester ship canal was contructed. To import & export goods for industry.
The canal though, was constructed some 30 years or so after the abolition of the slave trade. Doesn't mean a thing. Are we all to look at a ship now & suddenly think of slaves.....I don't think so! Things are getting to be ridiculous.
We in African we don't Care
@Akili...so many of you white people come on here saying you're black before disrespecting black people...go to hell. And if you're "black", we don't want ignorant traitors like you amongst us. These sisters ARE TRUE REPRESENTATIVES of proud, conscientious black people, most of us. Go and take those "nice designs" with all the racist symbols there is a decorate your home. Leave us black people alone.
I owe no one an apology for something that didn't happen to anyone alive today. This is ridiculous, victimhood is addictive.
These 2 women are beyond rude, can't let anyone talk without noise and crackling.. hard to hear their point when acting the fool
Agreed brother
Exactly !!!
@Wildfox01they don’t have a chip more like a whole F**king potato ! 😂😂😂
The cultural nuvonazis wont stop. The left always existed until the second ammendment allowed for a second party, the right... in england and in the whole world people were controlled by big government or big monarchy.. they wont let themselves evolve out of a thousands of years old way of living..
Not sure who said it but the perfect response is "you weren't enslaved and I didn't own any" but how rude are these women? they're callin him Brotha but get offended by sistah and the constant commentary
as Morgan Freeman once said in a very famous interview: "If you wanna stop racism, stop talking about it!!".
That was first said by morgan freeman i believe
This is a proof that you can make a problem out of everything. I remember in my philosophy class we were asked to make a question out of anything and debating it.
I am African and I think the world is going nuts on so many levels. We’ve got real issues in our societies not this! Let’s just focus on being kind and loving each other while we solve the current issues like poverty
Well said x
I think it is fair to say we are not capable of living together peacefully if we can have people on TV arguing for something this stupid.
I agree😊
You said it better
Amen to that!
These women are crazy. Piers you are much more patient than I could ever be
These people are beyond reason. I think we are getting to the point where even acknowledging them or taking them seriously is doing everyone else a disservice.
Yeah, it was painful to watch. I had to pause it and yell several times. My poor neighbours. It was funny to hear that crap about the Irish should complain to the Vikings.
Couldn't agree more . It is a complete waste of time . They are so eaten up with (faux) victimhood that they cannot be rational or fair . They are takers of all of our advanced culture and opportunities and give almost nothing back which is of worth or merit or that we could very easily do without .
they have THE SAME rights as you
Absolutely. Far too much air time (or even air for that matter) given to these idiots.
That's exactly what is happening.
that cancel culture has to stop, it's beyond pathetic
As a black man, I would like to apologise for the massacre my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather lead upon the Igbo tribe, killing 109, injuring 85, raping 47 and enslaving 32. I feel a deep sense of shame and feel duty bound to spend my life apologising.
learn your history, the Arabs (Muslims) were the first slave traders, also check out how many white, European people who were captured around the Barbary Coast, the Ottoman Empire, history isnt about picking what bits are acceptable to you.
Did you send them a cow in reparation!
Who u apologising to?
Doesn't matter how much money are you gonna pay for your apology that is what is important here
Apology accepted
I’m literally speechless
It’s so hard to watch This
How disrespectful are these women
The clowns r runnin the circus
💯.
At school during history class, I was taught about Britain's naval strength dating back to the 1st Elizabethan age and how England defeated the Spanish Armada; how the navy played a part in both World Wars; explorers like Sir Francis Drake, Sir Walter Raleigh, Marco Polo, Vasco da Gama. Ships were just the mode of international transport during that time. I have never associated tall sailing ships as a symbol of slavery and I'm black.
Thank you Sylvia for your post, and I believe that most POC are as sane and based as you, I know my friends are, however grifters like these 2 are many and they boil your piss 😂 I have never looked on these ships and thought of slavery either, I look at them and think of the show “The Onedin Line” which was a show my mum always watched in the 70’s, set way back with women in big swishy dresses and real men 😂😂
Thank you !
and now you know your supposed to Blame them
blame people and items for being racist
never be happy with existing and making a good life for yourself
just blame and shout and demand money be given to you
THANK YOU for this comment. Can you be PM? 🤣
Well said
Poor Piers. Having to deal with so many lunatics. Thank you for all you've done. 💪💪💪
They just want something to complain about🤷♂️ even when they don’t know if it’s even true
They?
@@magik410 left
@@bole961 Right?
These dumb people believe in Critical Race Theory. Academic critics of CRT argue it is based on storytelling instead of evidence and reason, rejects truth and merit, and opposes liberalism. CRT was created in the US post civil rights movement,. CRM used CRT as a stick to beat white people over the head with their 'evil' history.
CRT black people are woke, nuts and never ever bother with research as they think they know it all.
@@magik410 blacks ⚫
My ancestors were vikings and I laughed so hard when she seriously said that should be looked into. What a crazy woman :D
I'm Irish so I demand reparations from you for the crimes of your ancestors! I'm thinking a lifetime supply of mead should do it. 🤣
Same here, let's all ask the roundheads and Romans to apologise
I forgive you for your evil attacks to England, lol 😂😂😂😂 it's a joke.
I know right.. Africans enslaved Africans on a massive scale..Ottomans enslaved Greeks, Italians and other Europeans, Europeans and Amerucans enslaved Africans, Aztecs enslaved Naitive Americans, Mongols enslaved Chinese, Koreans enslaved Koreans..
Throughout history everyone enslaved people. It was seen as nornal
@@TigerGill220
We're living in a Monty Python sketch.
Reminds me of this one they had about this confused highway man starting out stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.
Ending up holding up carriages, to then trying hard to make it so everyone on them had the same amount of wealth.
Saying; "Blimey, this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought." :D
It's easy to be offended when you spend all your time looking for things to take offense to
Underrated comment
That's why i changed my mindset. I used to always look for the negative and it was ruining my life. Great comment.
I watched this again 3 months later and its so funny how quickly this devolves into an argument
Slave labour was abolished in the UK in 1837 way before the shipping canals were completed in 1893 which the ship represents on both Manchester clubs badges. They haven’t even bothered to do basic research
I though it was 1807?
@@mch2007uk maybe it was, i’m not 100% but that’s just what i saw. all i know is that manchester united didn’t even adopt that badge until 1902 so it’s not even a debate anyway.
and african slaves never even came to britain, 1066 domesday book “any man who breathes the pure air of england is a free man” that’s why american slave owners would not come to england with their slaves, there was a case in 1791 where the slave become a free man soon as he stepped foot in england
And what about the slaves that existed in every African country because of Africans before and after Britain ended slavery
@@ElPigeonMan lol, The Doomsday book was written by the victors of 1066 twenty years later when the English were....enslaved! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm a black guy and find this conversation ridiculous. I live in Africa and it makes me realize that people in the West have run out of problems so they are looking for new ones. Ships on an emblem? Really?
You hit the nail on the head
Exactly
Well said....sir....
It's not all people of the west it's just a minority !
I am sick of past history on black slavery there is always slavery and not just black slavery
I love how she started off by saying it was up to the historians to uncover the truth, and then when Piers told her what historians say, she’s just like “well we don’t know, that’s just one perspective”. It’s a waste of time talking to these people. No matter how many times you prove them wrong, they just keep coming.
Basically, she won't consider any history as true unless it confirms her own foregone conclusion.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 exactly right
Like any religion... woke is a cult just more intrusive than many others.
Writer C.S. Lewis said something very similar about people in his day who would constantly shift their ground and "move the goalpost" in an argument. Something like, "Be on your guard against such folks... they'll only waste your time."
Some black people just want the race card back ' just picking on the uk constantly ' slavery still goes on in africa today ' they traded their own people ' with the roman empire ' but don't tell her that 🤣
As a women im truly sorry for these demented things.
The level of disrespect from those two women when Hotep was speaking, is astounding. If this had happened when a woman was talking, and two men started mocking her, there would have been an outcry....!
I know it was so disrespectful. It made me so angry.
@Mayshus Almighty...Hotep is an uppity Ni&ger...the kind of self-loathing so called "black people" who are black people's biggest problem today...so much more than the racists. These sell out traitors are the ones racist bigots use to fight against black people. The two beautiful intelligent black women were disrespected by this wolf in sheep clothing. Unless the black race get rid of these back stabbers, the race will never achieve much progress.
Its how they try to force a reaction or distracion. Could hit a sweetspot to her
Exactly!
@@zsbacskai7331 😅😅😅😂 sounds like someone got triggered had his comments and facts 😅😅
The fact that man is talking and making his point and both of the women are sitting there laughing with each other, real adult like
They're playing a game. They've made careers off of faux resentment and don;t want the gravy train to end.
You have to remember that Talkradio (and now Talktv) isn’t quality news but is only tabloid sensationalism. It’s more entertainment than factual. It’s like calling Jerry Springer a news channel, in fact Jeremy Kyle is a Talkradio presenter so that tells you everything.
Was totally cringe to watch 🤮
They were so rude.
They call him brotha and get offended when he calls them sista. He actually dealt with their absurdity better than I could have imagined. He never resorted to shouting and stayed with truth, despite 2 grown children shouting at him, putting words in his mouth, and giving snarky remarks. Well done!
This is what leftists do, it's one rule for them and anyone that doesn't agree is a racist or a right wing extremist.
I honestly don't understand the snarkinesss, is it fair to say that should be a breach of debate and it should be ended there considerd forfeif
@@achillesglacia7700 I honestly don't understand your comment.
"we have names, brotha"
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those two crazies i heard one of them call him brotha and the y had the cheek to call him out. i hope i never hear those two again
How has piers Morgan become the pillar of sanity in society 😂😂😂
Piers Morgan is more about sensalism then newscovering.
“Who is going to pay me and my family for what the Vikings did to us”, great point!
I live in Sweden. I feel guilt for what our Vikings did. I'm so sorry.
@@TheWarmcoldsurfer😂
Ohh hell no!!
As a Dane, i say we owe no one nothing, and it's gonna stay that way, I'm not gonna be part of that insanity 🤣
@TheWarmcoldsurfer when the hell did Sweden castrate it's men 🤔
It's been a while since i crossed the bridge, so clearly missed out on it lmao
@@dennisnielsen8030 To be fair; the swedes were never really a big participant in the raids on Britain.
When the Danish and Norwegian Vikings were working hard conquering the isles, the swedes were doing pleasure cruises east. I think it was around that time they invented charter tourism.
Whenever we talk abount slavery, we only seem to talk about 'black slavery'. If we go back to the Roman Empire, there were slaves from all eithic groups, yet we never seem to talk about them. Seems to me that the 'black' community think that the slavery their ancestors suffered is special. They also seem to conviently forget, that the very first black slave traders, were in fact, other blacks, and all in exchange for tabaco of all things.
They also forget that slavery is still going on today, that people are being trafficked. But I guess that is fine in their eyes as its not "real" slavery.
Black slave traders sold slaves to other black slave traders-Irish people were also sold
That's like saying the Jewish Community think the holocaust they suffered is special... After all even black people suffered during the holocaust but no one mentions that
I totally agree with you!!
They also forget the Barbary Pirates that used to raid the Mediterranean countries to take white people to be sold into slavery at various points along North Africa. They estimate over a million people were traded. The Barbary Pirates even raided as far up as the UK.
As a Black woman, I’m embarrassed by my own people ! This is disgusting how our people (black folks) always looking to be a victim in every area of life.
To be fair we are all individuals stuck on this planet together i personally try to get on and have a laugh with all, no need to feel embarrassed your ok ,im a 50 year old run of the mill white bloke and i dont quite get it saying that i dont get alot of whats going on to be fair😂
Creating more hatred, labelling Winston Churchill labelled racist, had Nazis landed on UK shores, there would have been no blacks left. 🤬
I get it when their is obvious and real racism.
And because of this fact i like your words.
Its out of time.
Its a badge with a ship.
Just a ship.
And most players no matter the skin colour have no problem to play with the ship badge at their Shirt.
Its just a ship at a badge.
You should be embarrassed by your own people. All you do is complain and blame everyone else.
It’s embarrassing
Those women are so unbelievably rude. Sniggering and laughing and constantly talking when the guy was trying to articulate his point. And they can call him “brother” but he can’t call her “sister”. Amazing
This guy’s brilliant. A fellow brother who can think for himself👊🏽
Hotep can take the heat!
There are more slaves in the world TODAY than at any point in recorded history. Mostly sex slaves, many of them children. If these ladies cared that’s what they’d focus on, not cartoon drawings of boats…
@@JackJackJack123 Do we HONESTLY believe they care? Lol. No.
Oh, you're related? 😉
I love hotep,he has taught me alot
If shame, guilt and victimhood were stocks, they would be at an all time high.
Good on you to fight back the insanity, Piers
Amen!
As a black person I’m finding this extremely frustrating. By Calling racism on any old crap they can find it devalues what actually happened with slavery and when genuine acts of discrimination occur.
It also seeks division which in turn is likely to cause actual discrimination.
Why not give it a rest and just try to get on with each other?
Well said,totally agree,these are virtue signallers
Absolute facts , everyone struggles , it’s about working together to get through this rollercoaster called life . I see these ladies as bullies , pushing a dated agenda that isn’t relevant today , for their own gain. Like you say all it does it keep racism alive .
This x
FRAUD.
The fact that Africans trapped and sold their own as slaves, makes them the same as any person (black, green, white , yellow or any others) which is evil and what’s colour got to do with that fact????
Ships on a badge ffs……
As a African man this is stupid they acted like they care but I don’t see any of them going back to Africa to develop where their ancestors came from. Stop crying about the boat before slavery boats were around.
We live in an age where people, who never wronged anyone in their life, have to apologise to people who were never wronged in their lives.
This started in the Uk when blair told us to say sorry for the Empire.
Well said. I won’t apologise for something I had nothing to do with.
@@jkazzie2521 we're copping here in Australia as well, being part of the Commonwealth.
I could enlighten you as to why this is happening, but instead I'll just look at you clothed in my great great grandfather's wealth from my position of abject poverty and listen to you from your moral high ground.
You're absolutely right.
Oh, and to not be mistaken, I don't support the bullshit these women are spewing.
Black leaders are still being killed today, and you decide to fight a damn ship on a flag?
Nonsense!!!
If you go out looking for the worst, you'll twist your mind to see everything as evil.
And then....... you deserve all you get hahaha!
Facts
bruh!
51 year old man here. Supported United all my life. Only just noticed the ship yesterday. I wonder what the devil on the badge is thinking.
🎉🎉🎉👌👌
He's thinking the world's going woke mad!!😱👹
😂 they better not touch our badges...these ladies are bonkers
he is think "my work is done"
You know these times are fucked when Piers Morgan makes sense
😂
😆
😅 facts
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Couldn't agree more...I used to loath the man now I respect him.
I didn't even know about this until they brought it up
Got mad at him calling her sister one second after she calls him brother LMAO
Yeah, I caught that laughably-hypocritical comment. Some people you just need to write off and not waste time with. This sister is one of them.
If it weren't for double standards, they'd have no standards at all.
They said "he" and "him" and as soon as he says 'she' they lose it. Seems like they are just out of things to do with their lives.
Can’t say this can’t say that ! I’m 75 this year lived on rations in the fifties enjoyed my teenage year in the 60 raised three children and was looking forwards to my retirement. All this agro at the moment is upsetting . After the 2 nd world war we were just happy to be alive .
@@sanjayesomaroo6608 Just ignore them mate. You say whatever you want.
As a British Asian who is the product of colonialism....this debate is a joke...agree with Piers, if you keep apologising for things that didnt involve you, then we will be in a constant loop of saying sorry and seeking forgiven for the past rather than focussing on today and tomorrow being made better
White guilt is why we are talking about this idiocy right now. The white liberals caused this.
Some people are hoping to get money out of it.
I can’t apologise for something I wasn’t there for, can’t change, and had no say in. I’m fed up with the constant bashing. Hopefully, it worked out ok for you. I hope you are happy and healthy. But, I won’t feel guilty for something I, or anyone I can trace back in my family, have done. I come from working class people. My great grandmother was in the workhouse in east London! Little more than a slave herself.
This is exactly what they want! Divide and conquer. The elites are laughing at us.
the constant loop is exactly what is wanted. if your constantly saying sorry and feeling guilty then theres constant reparations and money is involved in that, large sums of money. the constant loop gives so many perks and allows you to silence great swades of people from making an opinion should you be enclined to use such underhanded tactics, hell piers they could have just called privilaged to silence him, they claimed he did not have a shared lived experience. to hotep they could easily have implied that he was under the control of privilaged people or even a mouth piece for privilaged individuals. I seen it so many times and it really needs to stop and people need to get back to common sense solving of problems that actually affect people and treating root causes not the ideological swing causes. hell look at american police, brutality 100% of the time leads to the loss of life but they are not treating police brutality because they are calling it systemic racism
She wants a historian to investigate it, but if a historian said it’s not racist she won’t agree
Because she only wants to hear from *_her_* historians. (I guess she just forgot to mention that part.)
gosh she is so beautiful
That’s absolutely right, I feel they were arguing just because they wanted a slot on Piers Morgan uncensored! It’s ridiculous
@@Tayl-top not inside she's not.
Yes ' proberly a black one ' otherwise this will be racist 😩
“Brother Hotep…chuckle, chuckle. Brother Hotep…chuckle chuckle…”
Hey chucklehead, if your mouth is open, your ears are closed.
Those two women proved the American guy's point. They were being very emotional,.talking over each other, screeching. Bonnie keeps saying listen and then failing to listen to anyone but herself.
Zzzzzzzzz they bore me senseless!!!
These two horrible people wouldn’t let him speak, laughed, being rude to him. Now! That’s pure ignorance. There Again! What can you expect from them! Can’t expect anything else from pigs but a grunt!!
Psycho-analyse this!
Usual for her imo
Creating a problem when their never was one.😵💫
Modern black people are not slaves. Modern white people aren’t slave owners. Why should white people pay for previous white peoples wrongdoings? Unity is the most important, not white people giving up their life and service to black people for their whiteness. It’s transverse racism to think that’s okay. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. History is terrible but I’m not part of the new chapter where white people let themselves become oppressed when the racial power shifts change to black people. This will just repeat 🔁 all over again except this time round future generations will be told about how black people also oppressed and enslaved whites 200 years later for revenge.
Really!
Shitstirring I call it😂😂😂😂
They want attention...these shit act like they care because,in reality they need attention
'Are all ships racist?' has the be the best line 😂
Every time i see Paula Rhone Adrien she wants an apology for something that happened to black people, now it seems to me that she is now become the racist she needs to move on from the past because i am sick and tired of apologizing for something that happened over two hundred years ago.
Thank god for Piers, I'm glad someone has the balls to stand up to these whack job grifters.
No racist lying whites-only history.
As someone with Irish/Scottish/Viking heritage I was pissing myself laughing when she said the Irish Should seek apology from the Scandinavians 😂😂😂
Mate using the reparations logic you would have received reparations from the English from when they occupied Ireland and from when England invaded and occupied Scotland in 1200s and from the Vikings (who also en-slaved the Irish). But then because you have Viking in you and since Scotland also had colonies before the act of union you also have to pay reparations for that.
@Tom-iv3nd using reparations 'logic' (there is none) everyone around the world would have to be apologising to one another constantly because every group of people ever to have existed have been both perpetrators and victims of slavery.
I think a would war would solve this modern day problem
It's just bored black house wife's with nothing better to do . There argument is ridiculous
How to solve viking? Educate them🤣🤣
The way the guy is chilled and talking in good faith not taking it personally while the 2 women are mocking and bullying him all the way gives an absolute depth to every team's argument .. WOKE people are simply soar and toxic , they hate themselves and project this hate on literally everything and everybody around .
Major restraint that I don’t have. The sistas are simple
I think the guy set them off from the get go by saying women are emotional lol
sore*. Though they do kinda soar as one would have to be high as a kite on oneself to actually believe this woke garbage that's unbridledly gushing forth out of their various orifices.
Yes, he is measured and polite and up against these two woke leftists... I don't understand why Bonnie Greer has become British if she dislikes us so much.
@@Ok-jf3nr and they proved his point 🙄 couldn't have been more triggered or juvenile if they tried
"There's nothing wrong with saying sorry". - Except when the person has nothing to apologise for.
I can't lie. Im a black Nigerian and a football fan, but i never ever noticed the ships on the badges until now
you look the game and have fun...right
Exactly !
These "issues" are contrived by people so desperate for grievance that they have to take out a fking magnifying glass to find it.
soon they'll come for us for selling their ancestors.
its f7nny how no 1 talksmabout liberia, the country where natives africans were screwed by free black americans .?..maybe black americans should be asked to pay native liberians reparation
I watched this on my break at work, and I actually feel more exhausted now than I did while I was working
These people are ridiculous… they don’t realize how they’re harming their own cause with this outrageous desire to be a victim of something
Yes , they massively negatively stereotype their own race/colour . Absolutely no help needed from white people . These brothers and sisters are doing it all by themselves .
Isn't a black person, who gets the British nationality, automatically guilty of slavery by being British? Do they also have to apologize?
People aren't taking this serious enough: I watched the City game last week, saw those badges and by the end of the match I had 8 slaves planting cotton in my garden. How has this been allowed to happen? This has to stop!
How disgusting! This shouldn't be allowed! You should be limited to only 4 slaves! 8 is just racist and greedy, it's white privilage at its finest!!!
Wait until they attack the candles!
🤣🤣🤣🤣 good old scouse humour love it 👍👍👍
Some guy in Norway went to a football match and I woke up in HIS bloody garden polishing a Viking shield..
These ships have everything to do with slavery. Slavery is not to be celebrated. These ships badges must be removed
Notice how they treated Pierce when they disagreed with him and then notice how they treated Hotep.
I know right the sheer disrespect, the little remarks they even insult his name. It’s all one way though with black folks these days, I hate they can call me white boy but I say black boy im offensive
You nailed it. The disrespect. They do not respect him like they do Piers.
The contempt of the black woman against the black man in full display. How dare a black man not agree with whatever stupid argument I have as a black woman. He probably wasn't raised right.
Well, Piers is the moderator, and can make it difficult for them to appear on the channel again, and possibly other places depending on what happens.
@@AndrooUK implying they need Piers for something?
They’re offended by the “emotional woman” remark than proceed to let their emotions get in the way of a useful debate.
“Women are very emotional” Their reaction was priceless :))
"Whaaaat.. emotional... hihihihihi... omg... hihihihihi.. what is this? Woooooow!*mumbling & giggling*"
Yeah.
Yeah. It was emotional lol it’s hilarious.
Newton Heath badge includes a train, as coal was transported by train from Liverpool. At some point, having had enough of Liverpool workers' strikes, some people in Manchester decided to build a canal. Thereafter coal was transported from Liverpool to Manchester by ships. Hence ships on the football badges of both Manchester teams
And goods made in Manchester were shipped back to Liverpool through them canals to be exported to other parts of the world
@@charles5553 Yep, cotton textiles were a big export (and raw cotton import) by ship.
@@AndrooUK then, let's cancel anything that had the slightest connection with slavery of those years, shall we?
I think it was built to by pass Liverpool coz of huge docking fees Liverpool we’re charging Manchester????
Correct me if am wrong
Am from Liverpool and a huge Liverpool fan
And I find this is a load of crap
There is nothing racist about either badges
@@royfudgemonkey9940 I think you are right
What’s wrong with an apology? The people who should apologize are long gone from life. I won’t apologize for something that I had nothing to do with. These ladies should stop attacking people to demand apologies for things that their victims had nothing to do with!
There isn’t a family in the world that didn’t do anything wrong in there history. I wonder if they would like to apologise the rest of there life for all the sins there families did
These ladies aren’t even victims though.
@@SuperYtc1 No, they are the aggressors who are going around demanding actions from people whom they have no right to demand actions from.
What a load of horse shit. They say they want to educate us, why? It was abolished 250 years ago. And as for the Irish taking umbridge with the Icelandics or the Brits with the vikings and Romans. Would that then give her the justification to carry on banging her slavery narrative. WW2 is much a more recent historical event how many Germans born after 1945 have sleepless nights due to Hitlers annihilation of Jews. I bet none. Would it be appropriate for white Europeans to start educating ppl about the barbary pirates, no, do you know why? because it happened years ago and we don't give a shit
@@JurOz1980 true. Imagine everyone on the whole world greet each other by saying "I'm sorry for what my ancestors did" instead of simply saying "Hello". lol
As a straight white man I'd like like to apologise for absolutely nothing
Some people want to be offended so badly they can’t stand it. They can find something offensive with every single thing. This is ridiculous. These people are so narcissistic they have to have attention and this is how they get it. We should ignore it.
It’s because the demand for racism is higher than the supply.
Piers just explained her why it does not relate to slavery with facts and she repies "aNd hOw dO we KnOw aBouT tHaT" like a proper idiot, omg these people think the world revolves around them
They’re narcissistic.
And it could be applied to her too. How do she know that was about slavery?
The world does not revolve around Manchester united supporters like you.
Her black ancestors probably owned slaves.
They think they're the only race to have ever been enslaved.
MILLIONS upon MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of WHITE people were enslaved for centuries. I don't see the Arabs grovelling with an apology to White people, nor have the Turks apologized, nor the Mongolians, nor the Egyptians, nor the Persians, etc etc etc.........
I’m black American and fully agree with the gentleman! We are in a society where we worry about the wrong things that add no value to our life! We are a regressive culture with a lost generation!
Well said Sir, people like this only drive division and bigotry.
Thank you! THANK YOU!
I met a German years ago when I was travelling through America . We were talking and his exact words were “I hope there aren’t going to be issues between us.” I asked “why would there be?!” He responded “well I am German, you are English. You know cause of the war.” I said “Benny, you’re 21, I’m 23. Neither of us were born when the war was going on. Our parents weren’t born. Why would I have a problem with you?!” After that we started drinking and had a great night together. That was 14 years ago, and I still remember what a great guy he was, and how much fun we had. You can’t apologise for something you were not a part of!
@The Royal Recollections...You''re "black American" with a British flag identity, which suggest you're a confused man. If opening your mouth does nothing to uplift black people, then keep it closed.
No you’re not black America don’t lie
The way these women chat to each other while the guy talks is beyond rude. What deeply unpleasant women they are.
the fact that the two women are laughing and talking while that man talks says it all
They’re just trying to make him the villain in their minds so that they don’t even have to bother comprehending or understanding his point
The older I get , the more I understand piers..
This proves your not gullible ' your realising that the woke ' are phoney idiots ' just out to cause more tension ' about anything they claim happens '
Facts
Same here 😂
Those 2 women have no manners they need to listen ,just looking for an excuse to start...
@@teresapren3266 their trying to provoke rasium ' by what i call ' poking the dog ' 😁
I’m Irish and we as a whole
Never ever do we believe we are victims,nor do we try and dwell on it.
Generally speaking, the Irish are among the most well-liked people across the world. I wonder if there's a connection there with the point you made.
Would contend that we still hold some grudges over the Famine and our missing 6 counties.
Being drunk all the time probably helps with that
That's a great attitude to take.
I believe that around 1000 years ago the Irish were raiding Cornwall and Wales.
Best to leave history in the past. Otherwise, the English would still be fighting the French. lol
Seriously, it is not wise to listen to people who tell you are a victim. Reminds me of that recent South Park episode with the "Prince of Canada". 😁
Irish people are making good everywhere.
I'm from Australia. Our airline QANTAS is run by an Irishman Mr. Joyce.
Everybody hates him so maybe that's a bad example, but my point is that his position at that airline is a great achievement. Not because he is Irish, but because he is not from Australia. I imagine that he must of been better than all of the candidates for the position that were from Australia.
Now that Britain has left the EU there will be even more international business done in the Irish Republic.
@@benwu7980 Maybe. But against whom do you hold the grudges?
I burst out laughing at the title.
I'd be an alcoholic or a drug addict if I had to go face-to-face with people like this on a daily basis. wtf
@Robert Galvin. I'm sure you're already an alcoholic and a drug addict, by your comment.
The ship on Manchester's coat of arms probably represents pride in the Manchester ship canal. As stated, it wasn't even put on the crest until decades after slavery was abolished.
This man is excellent
Someone who sees the world going bonkers.
❤
It is time to end this madness of racist ships and racist babies I can't believe this is what we are discussing in 2023
I think it's become inherently clear that finding racism in everything has become a lucrative career option for some.
Absolutely and it's very easy to find something when it's all you think about and can attach it to everything without presenting any evidence whilst disregarding all evidence against your claims
imagine when whites have had enough and start doing the same, with red flags and stuff.
I’m not sorry for something I had no hand in. I feel compassion for people that are treated badly regardless of where or when they live.
Piers has been on fire lately speaking facts! 🔥
The lies are funnier though.
I will never apologize for something I did not do.
You are really my hero Piers! A beacon of sanity in this insane world...
I disagree, this bloke makes a lot of money for being devils advocate. If the next guest advocates the opposite he will take the other side - has no opinion , just raking it in.