The game that made playing defense illegal.
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Video idea, how about the Priest Holmes Chiefs? And how they ran the ball so effectively and maybe some commentary on whether that style would or would not work today.
2004 cards Emmitts last dance 🕺 🎶 an vikings worst moment of the year 😢
It would be of all time for 28 other teams 🙄
There is something inspirationally sadistic about Brett posting at 1AM at the end of a month just to meet a sponsor deadline…
He's on the West Coast, so it's still June!
As an admitted football junky, I greatly appreciate it lol
When I woke this morning and saw the post I immediately had a similar thought😂
Just one more example of the best producers being the worst procrastinators.
I just like to know what Brett's drinking during this segment. Along with the insight about details in football.
Finally got Brett to do a throwback breakdown! Been bothering him to do one for years!
And who knew the only thing you had to do to make it happen was just give me some never before seen footage and a triple shot of espresso
He should do more pre 2000. He'll need your help. 😊
@@astrostar49need a Jerry Rice breakdown!
@@NFLVault Yes that would be a dandy!!!
I swear early Peyton Manning was trying to get receivers killed
Austin Collie
Anthony Gonzalez
@@dre_withwithout
Collie was a sacrifice on the altar of Peyton's career. The hits that man took were absolutely traumatizing
Lack of arm strength was always a knock on Peyton. He was phenomenal at throwing guys open but things got dicey if he had to bullet a ball between defenders.
Wes welker,collie,DT in the super bowl vs Seattle
Peyton “if you can’t deal with CTE don’t play receiver on my team” Manning
Lot of men sacrificed on the altar of stat chasing back in the day.
@@maroc-al-helmidi Peyton "the no huddle stat padder" Manning
Brett my God how close do you want to cut it with the sponsor deadline?!
As close as absolutely necessary
@@BrettKollmann Factor's the best sponsor honestly for waiting 'til the last minute then saying "fuck it, I'm just gonna eat what I got lying around"
Don't support companies that advertise on TH-cam. You're the reason ads have gotten so bad.
yes
Wait so they cried about illegal contact in this game when it didn't matter, and cried about deflated balls when it didn't matter either? Are the Colts the biggest crybabies in the NFL?
I legit remember "Who would you rather have in the playoffs, Peyton Manning or Chad Pennington?" being a major sports media topic when the Jets crushed the Colts in '02.
Being fair, Pennington WAS really good at the time and his shoulder hadn't yet turned into molasses. If he had been healthy, he would've been arguably a top ten QB in the league for a good while.
He wouldn't have been in Manning or Brady's level, but probably would've been in the next tier and the Patriots wouldn't had had it so easy in the AFC East.
Tom Tuppa was a better QB in the clutch and he was forced to be a punter
If NFL didn't get so soft neither Brady or Manning would last
@@franciscoduran4618 To be fair,Peyton was an all time choker in playoffs, throughout his long career.
To quote Chris Berman, Ty "I fought the Law and the Law won" with the interception!
Ty Law was a great player and a nuicance to play against in NFL 2k5.
Yep...guy I played against almost always went with the Pats.
"Peyton Manning might be the Sheriff, but no one is above the Law"
The thing I remember from this game is that when they went to the commercial they played the song “I Fought the Law (and the law won)” and to this day its the best ad break song leading to a commercial in the history of the NFL. I hope the person who chose to do that got a raise.
I'd love to see a spin off on the "Tampa 2 is a lie" video... Specifically focusing on what Lovie Smith was able to do defensively, because of Urlacher, Briggs, and Tommie Harris.
Although he wasn’t a Lovie product I believe Cato June did a great job in the Tampa 2
Hell yeaaaaa 🐻⬇️
@@dre_withwithout He was a Dungy product.
The Steelers ran a version of that defense in the 70s when Dungy played Corner for them. Even Dungy admitted he "borrowed it" from Chuck Noll.
Yeah it's not a coincidence that the rise of the "edge" position coincideded with the decline of the types of linebackers that made the Tampa 2 possible. In reality those guys mostly became "edge" because the contracts moved to paying them far, far more than LBs. Great take.
Ty law definitely a monster in his day, Revis before Revis. Until that 06 AFC Championship, the Patriots really just had Peytons number.
They had it after that, too. The fact is that a 1-dimensional team is easy AF to gameplan, and the Peyton's Colts were the most 1-dimensional and predictable in history.
Peyton had a winning record against Brady. That narrative needs to go die
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandleWhen? Other than the playoffs only, where Peyton was 3-2 against Brady, Brady won more total h2h games
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle The 2015 AFCCG was all about the Broncos defense beating the shit out of Brady and Brady still putting the fear of God into them despite that.
Do more of these vintage film breakdowns PLEASE! I love this mid 2000 film, I grew up on the early 2010s- mid 2010s football, and love to see the differences in the way the game was played compared to 2000s, the 2010s to now.
A compare/contrast video would be awesome!!!
One big difference is that in the 2000’s and generations earlier is that you’ll find more teams that are centered around a single running back.
Also, the linebacker position was perceived to be a bit more valuable than now and while it was on the decline in the 2000’s, there were more snaps with fullbacks than you’ll find now.
And MVP discourse was not near exclusively dominated by quarterbacks.
LMFAO @ calling this vintage.
@@ryta1203 20+ years feel fair enough calling it vintage
@@caleb10jag61 Guess I'm just old, shit seems like yesterday and the scar the refs left that day by being completely blind is still healing.
“The art of the shootout” featuring the chiefs and rams game in LA would be amazing 🔥🔥🔥
That’d be an amazing vid!!
That game was in LA; it got moved from Mexico because the field sucked. It would be a great video though.
I remember watching that game here in india live inside my school class while it was raining heavily outside ,my school also used to be a king's castle with large af windows and insanely beautiful interior with green grass around my classroom man it was soo fucking majestic ,that game has been engrained as one of the best moments of my life cause of the way I watched it (our school's are very strict so if I was caught with my phone ,I might've even gotten suspended but idgaf ,even if i were caught i wouldn't have stopped watching it bruh 😂)
I was gonna say the 2015 game of saints vs giants but the chiefs rams game scored slightly more which is wild to me.
I was at the coliseum in LA for that game and it was insane. Rams fans betting me drinks on scoring throughout and we were smashed. Most satisfied and charged up I will ever be after a loss.
Ty Law was a freak, I mean that im the best way possible. Ty was making plays that most secondaries couldn't.
Co-MVP Steve McNair put up a better fight the previous week against the Patriots. 😤😤😤
Three words: Drew.Bennett.DROP!😢
@@FAMUAce Yeah that was killer.
Brett I dont wanna pile on Manning, but I'd kill for a breakdown of Mannings 6 int game vs the chargers and the evolution of declaring defenses pre snap/rotations of safeties post snap, etc as a video. Appreciate the content even close to midnight😂
Funniest part of that game is that the Colts still would have won had it not been for Adam Vinatieri suddenly choking for once in his life
That game, most of the offense was injured and out of the game. Peyton had his RB and one healthy WR who he had chemistry with. The rest were backups. The Chargers sent every blitz to give Manning no time to adjust.
The chargers did a great job of noticing the hot routes for this game and obviously 6 picks later it worked. Everyone deals with injuries. The Chargers did what every team should do. Pounce on every opertunity given. And they did. It's still shocking to this day that it was a 2 point game at the end.
@@SortaNonymousSounds very San Diego.
And also another part to this. The Colts defense actually played really well in that game. Rivers had an awful game. LT for his standard had a down game. Sproles went off in the returns. Having 2 touchdowns. Being fair both offenses struggled that game.
@@silversoulken Nah, it'd infinitely more San Diego (or just plain Chargers) if they lost.
Always hitting that deadline lol.
Been grinding all weekend to make it haha
It shows my man. Worth the wait if the content is first class.
The thing is, the Patriots were still allowed to mug receivers after the rule changes lol.
@future_teknokrat7585 Yeah, no.. The league actually apologized for a phantom PI they called against Ellis Hobbs in the 06 AFC Championship Game. Asante Samuel was called for one of those, too, when he beat Reggie Wayne for a would-be INT and got tripped by him.
Peyton Manning didn’t win his first playoff game until his sixth year as a starter. Before the 2003 postseason, his last playoff game was a 41-0 shellacking from the Jets. Not to mention that the Colts were perceived as a “soft” team when they played in the cold.
All this to say that sometimes talking heads don’t know what they’re talking about.
They did know what they were talking about. The Colts were good, but needed to get better to be real contenders. They did, and the rest is history.
They did know what they were talking about manning was a regular season powerhouse but when team had time to solely focus on beating him they did all the time.
@@user-ij2cg8ft1f True - the Colts teams of the 2000s were powerhouses. I’m looking at Manning through the prism of what he is now.
Actually they did,Young Peyton was more of a liability to his team then an asset. You see it in these clips, when he starts panicking, he made bad choices. It took him years to finally find that composure, and when he did the Colts offense was better for it.
@@supersasukemaniacA liability? Stop talking football. New England was better.
That comment about millennial Colts fans reliving old pain hit really close to home. Cut me deep with that one. See you in week 4 my friend.
Oh my god, the all-22 of that first interception is insane. Just LOOK at how clean that pocket is while Manning does his best impression of me playing Madden and backs up 13 yards. Whoever the LG is does an amazing job of coming over and covering Jeff Saturday's right side to stop the blitz from Bruschi.
Manning could have cooked an entire pot of chili in that pocket, and the Pats front wouldn't have even been able to smell it. That's legitimately atrocious, especially for someone of his caliber.
All he ahead to do was just step up in the pocket
@@dominiquewashington2553 he didn't even really need to step up! The pocket basically formed perfectly around where he received the snap. He could've stood still and not been touched.
@@FandangoHoward yeah you got a point there
Posting at 1 am is crazy 💀
Congratz, you were the 1 view when I clicked
Technically it's 11:44 pm
3am for the florida boys😂
2am in Minnesota
Is 02:50 here Brett😂 think of your worldwide audience!😂😂 thanks for the video !
Maybe the Ty Law game directly followed by the 14-3 demolition of the Donovan McNabb led Eagles offense by CAR (10-22, 100, 3 INT by Ricky Manning) made defense illegal. At the time that was how the game was played, and the Freddie Mitchell/James Thrash WR tandem wasn’t going to cut it (while McNabb was also thought of as a choker). Enter Terrell Owens…
This is a great reminder
Not only that but TO had ankle broken at end of season, only for Eagles to make Superbowl anyway
Then Mcnabb turned into Willie Beamen while TO on one healthy leg had 9catches for 120+ I think
If TO wasnt playing in the SB philly wins the game. They killed the NFC without him
Owens demanded the ball be fed to him. Everyones like he did great.. that fool dropped a couple easy catchea too.
You said this made defense illegal, yet the following year in the Divisional Round, the ONLY Colts player that put up any points was their liquored up idiot kicker.
Rodney Harrison needs to be the Hall of Fame yesterday
I saw Rodney on my flight, earlier this year. Dude just looks different from us regular people.
He actually made the final 15 of the Hall of Fame voting this past election.
He was incredible as a Charger, got the rings with the Pats so yes he needs to be in there!
LeRoy Butler somehow got in ahead of him. I think he was in his last year of eligibility so they're making Rodney wait.
NBA season is over but Brett just put up a hell of a buzzer beater
it ain't a Brett upload if it isn't uploaded at 2:45am
Yeah Manning used to be considered a whiner, stat-padder, and choker until the Colts won XLI. Drew Brees was accused of similar until he won a Super Bowl too.
Nah... Brees was never considered a whiner or choker. He left a bad organization (Chargers) for a much better one and an offensive guru in Sean Payton. During Brees time Saints never had a defense like Brady had with Pats. Fun fact, Brady on average for his career had the #1 scoring defense. It's a lot eaiser to be the winningest QB when you only have to put up say 17-18pts a game to win instead of 25 😂😂😂 But hey, it's a team game right...
@@100puremustard5Yeah he still had multiple top 5 defenses. Also, your defense is gonna be worse if you throw 3 INTs a game. Brees just wasn’t that guy in the clutch and had some Farve moments. He was a lot like Manning in that the team lived or died by him. He was getting 350 yards, but it was with 4 TDs 1 INT or 5 INTs 1 TD. Oh, and him and Sean Payton loved stat padding. Especially in that 2011 season.
Lol is Brett really posting a video on the Ty Law Rule!?? 😂😂 Bro..... Brett we need more videos like this...
Mel Blount rule*
@@blitzburgh9066while the rule was originally created because of Mel Blount, this game caused new interpretation of the rule, making it the Ty Law rule
@@arandomperson1999 that’s a myth the rule was already in place and known as the Mel Blount rule…just because they reiterated it doesn’t mean the name changed…and if you watch the video Brett doesn’t mention “Ty law rule” not even one time
The Mel Blount rule?
@@SchulzEricT thank you, Ty law rules a myth
Colts fan. And one of those who experienced this as trauma lol.
2 things not mentioned here is that
1. The Colts were a rythym offense at this moment. Peyton panicked a lot in this game because the timing was shot on every play. Most of these interceptions, we're peyton taking deep drops (this was mentioned) or on the run. Peyton did not do this much in his career.
2. The patriots front 7 shut down Edgerin James. That hasn't been mentioned much when talking about this game. The second you used safety help to slow down Edge, Peyton would get free deep shots. The Pats never need safety help in those two games.
If you want an example for how this would work. The 2006 afc championship game is perfect. Peyton tried to do everything in the first half and got down 21-3. Second half the running game came to life; which allowed Peyton to catch fire.
As a Colts fan I hate giving the Pats credit, but the defense does not get its fair share on how well they played Edge. And it screwed up the entire offense.
Edge averaged 4 yards a carry this game and scored the teams first TD.
The only thing that stopped Edge this game was Mannings play calling and tendency to choke.
Not sure if you have the All 22, but would love to hear your thoughts on the 1999 NFC Championship game between the Buccaneers, and Rams. Thanks.
I would say Lamar Jackson is more like Peyton Manning instead of Dak because of the MVPs and he also hasn't gotten it done in the playoffs
True but Peyton’s playstyle is legit the same as Dak’s tbh
@@donjohnson2758yup
@@donjohnson2758Peyton didn't lose to GB on the playoffs every year?!?! 😉
This is the same reason why I think the Josh Allen-Peyton Manning comparisons don't stick. Josh doesn't have the regular season accolades (at least not yet) to be looked at as this generation's Peyton.
@@michaelbeale559Peyton was getting his ass handed to him by the PATs 😉
“Before I dive into this tape and rehash two decade old interceptions, for no other reason than just making Millennial Colts fans relive childhood trauma.”
Had me rolling 😂
As a millennial colts fan, he wasn't lying.
Kollmann here speaking some facts. I'm a Titans fan, and we've had naught at the QB position since Steve McNair. If you've got a QB that is a multiple time All-Pro and/or has been in multiple championship games, and they still look like they have gas in the tank, don't complain about an occasional playoff blip.
A Hall of Fame QB, the best of the best, is very likely to miss the playoffs on a few seasons. When they do get to the playoffs, in the vast majority of seasons, they won't make it to the Super Bowl. Occasionally, you're going to have to watch in frustration as your team with a good QB didn't make it to the Super Bowl while a team starting Trent Dilfer or Rex Grossman trots out there repping your conference. I would've loved to have even a loveable borderline contender at QB like Bledsoe or Romo. At least then, at the beginning of the season, my hope wouldn't feel as crazy.
I wonder how much of this QB complaining is due to Tom Brady's success. He was in the playoffs nearly every single season he played, and in most seasons won at least one of those games. When Brady retired in 2022, the NFL had played 57 Super Bowls. Tom Brady started in nearly 18% of them (let that sink in). I don't think there will ever be another set of circumstances in the NFL that produces a QB with Brady's level of success. It's not fair to compare any QB to that success level.
As a bills fan I can tell you the goal post gets moved when you get the all star qb. Not my personal feelings, but everyone (bills fan or not) just talks about how we'll never beat the chiefs or how allen is overrated and that type of stuff. It's no longer about making the playoffs, it's about winning it all and if you do less than that your guys trash. It's so annoying when the dude accounts for 40 tds in a season and is called trash like what are you talking about 😂
@jamsgamingstation6023 Allen by every metric was the MVP last year. Lamar winning it was a joke. Allen's "turnover prone" narrative is BS too, as he had the second d lowest turnover worthy play rate of any aylff QB. Better than PM. Better than Lamar. Allen has more TDs than any player in history as this point in his career, and when he started the Bills were a disaster with a coach who likes to blow games, and PM got on a perennial playoff team with a HOF coach.
Warpdrive, that narrative about Peyton and Brady drives me crazy too, as he actually had winning record against Brady.
Ravens fans know this pain all too well...great QB, but just can't get it done in the post season...however, this past one I don't blame on Lamar...NFL and refs used a blonde chick with questionable musical skills in the suites to beat the Ravens.
Peyton Manning also had the title of choker because he wasn't able to lead the Volunteers to a dub against Florida, which is evidently their big rival. He also didn't win a National Championship, but he help get the SEC Championship, which is a big deal.
Florida was better than Tennessee.
Some things never change. Tennessee still can’t beat Florida today. 🤣
I'd love to see you do a video of the 2017 NFC Championship game. As painful as it would be to relive as a Vikings fan. Zimmer's defense was top notch that year and the wheels just came off that game. I still haven't fully recovered..
How 'bout a breakdown on another classic.
Superbowl in '91. Giants-Bills.
Two teams stacked with HOF players and a Bill Belichick master stroke back when he was working for the Big Tuna.
Belichick's insane psychological exploitation of Jim Kelly - at his peak and on a roll.
“We will win the game if we let Thurman Thomas run for 100 yards” - Bill Belichick
Wide Right. The two most dreaded words in Bills' history.
That loss had more to do with the Bills defense choking repeatedly when it came to 3rd down stops in the 2nd half.
@@stevejamieson8468 so you're saying the other half of the Giants plan of wearing out the Bills defense by keeping them on the field also worked.
Giants offense on the field all day....
Giants defense puts 9 in coverage and lets Thurman Thomas run wild because Jim Kelly (who calls his own plays) can't stop throwing the ball...
Two sides of one coin that I think came out of one mind (Belichick) and was given blessings by the Big Tuna (Parcels) himself.
Please don't
The thing about calling good QB's overrated is that yes, they may be overrated...when it comes to the playoffs. But whenever the regular season comes around, and you see them on your schedule, you're probably going to get nervous or even count it as a loss as a forgone conclusion
As a Commander's fan, growing up I'd always worry about dealing with a three-headed monster of Romo, Eli, and McNabb because even when they stank, they did really well against us
It’s about winning in the post season. In the regular season the worst team can beat the Super Bowl winners. In the post season that team would have no shot.
Growing up don't you mean "Redskins" fan? Can't wait till they change the name back. The only people crying in the first place were wite libs
5 years into his career
tom brady was considered a dink and dunk system qb
Time has proven that Bill needed Brady more than Brady needed Bill.
@@georgelucas2571Time has proven that through his career on average Brady's teams had the #1 scoring defense. For example, Manning had to put up 23pts a game to get a W where as Brady only had to put up 17pts a game....... nice little handicap there for Brady LOL
@@flerbus Just by low IQ casual fans. He led the league in passing yards TD's in 02 and in passing yards in 05 while throwing to bum receivers.
Illegal 2:45am upload
Under review
I need a Ray Lewis film session
I love your point about great QBs being judged for their worst games. That narrative, and the "a QB isn't great unless they win a SB" need to stop.
Granted, I'm speaking as a Cowboys fan and we have had back to back 2 of the greatest QBs of all time who haven't won a SB, so I tend to take this a bit personally. I spent the 2000's listening to Eli vs Romo comparisons with not a single person talking about the 2000's Giants defense. You know, that defense that held the undefeated NE to less than 20 points even though NE was averaging north of 30 PPG going into the SB.
That being said, I'd really enjoy a video on the unsung heroes that were the NYG's defense that broke up NE's perfect season. Everyone remembers Tyree's catch, but people forget just how dominant that Giants defense was all game, and how unreal NE's offense was going into the SB.
Fellow Dallas fan who recalls as well
That 07 Giants led the league in sacks with 60 or so.. that Sam Hurd drop haunts me eternally
I think it's part of a larger flaw in North American sports culture, tbh, a larger overfixation on championships/postseason success. Even in sports where there is a regular-season championship trophy (the NHL comes readily to mind), the main way most fans tend to think about it is the way it tends to jinx whichever team gets it in the postseason.
The way North American leagues generally force a certain amount of parity, while it's good that outside of chronic mismanagement it's hard to render a team straight-up non-competitive, also creates a kind of fan brainrot where the regular season just totally doesn't matter to them except as a vehicle for making the post season. And that kind of sucks considering the vast majority of games are the regular season, and by definition the post-season ends in defeat for all but one team and finishing on top requires a lot of luck as well as being good.
Being a Ravens fan, for instance, it's incredibly frustrating seeing fans treat seasons where we win our division or even get the #1 seed as a failure because, even though we won the most games in our conference, we didn't get to the Super Bowl thanks to Chiefs Bullshit.
"Two of the greatest QB's back to back to not win a SB"
Chargers: hold my beer (Herbert, Rivers)
Brett, @6:45 When you transitioned from Peyton to Patrick, I was astounded. I was in just disbelief. Thanks for that.
“3 hrs ago” mr. coleman it’s 6 in the morning 😂😂😂
Been an eventful sports morning for me at least. Found out paul george signed with the sixers and brett released a vid to beat a deadline lmao.
I still believed that narrative about Peyton until his final days in the NFL, when we looked back and revisited what was an undeniably historic career. Granted, being a Chiefs fan during those final years in Denver gave me a heavy bit of bias. I hadn't even thought about the choker narrative for years until this video reminded me it once existed.
Love that you're very getting all this footage from thr NFL, as a UK fan i hope they keep doing this for you, such great insight!
I think pretty clearly the obvious current comparison in terms of playoff "choking" is Lamar as opposed to Dak.
Lets see if Lamar can overcome the narrative
Peyton & Dak are similar because they choked with elite talent at the skill positions. Lamar don’t have the elite wrs
@bonesawisready2865 that's fair, however Dak doesn't have the MVPs the other two do. I'd argue that correlates more than weaponry
I think he has cause Dak hasn't made a NFC Championship Games yet. While Lamar just came off one.
@@bonesawisready2865Yeaaa, I'd rather have the #1 scoring defense through my career as a starter like Lamar 😂 So he's still a choker, especially after last year 😮 He's not alone, Josh Allen has the the #2 scoring defense through his career as a starter so he hasn't had to put up that many pts to get a W either. Mahomes has played with the #7 scoring defense on average for his career, last year really helped 😂
Lamar is athletically talented but a crappy QB. He wasn't even top 10 in several QB categories last year, yet nearly unanimous MVP. The MVP award has become a joke.
Let's be honest, Peyton Manning was a choke artist, but like any good player, he kept working on his game. Eventually, he elevated his game to a level where he began to win those big playoff games. It was a real mountain he had to climb and he did it. The struggle and the improvement are an important part of any great player's story and NOT ridiculous narratives to be mocked in hindsight.
It was crazy to see Manning get owned by th 03 Pats, and then a few weeks later to see Dehlome torch that same defense in superbowl 38. Colts went to the league after this loss i remeber.
This is why when "talk media" says that some guy who's never won "can't win", you ignore them and make your own opinion about how well they play.
7:28 I don't think enough people talk about that "kicking the fumbled snap out of the endzone" play. That was really the only play I remember from this game.
One of the smartest, "know the rules, and know the situation" plays I've ever seen.
I mean it's smart but it's fairly common
As a Dolphins fan (and a defender of giving Tua a good contract, which come on just pay the man already), I really appreciated this video. It makes me feel like I'm not crazy.
I would love to see you breakdown older, historical games / plays using your new access, but also with an eye as to showing how the game has evolved. For example, your observation of Manning throwing to his right while rolling right has evolved into players like Mahomes doing something different. That was a great observation and I'd love to see more "evolution of the game" type content, especially since you have all-22 access going back to (at least) the league's realignment in 2002.
So Brett if you have All-22 of films over the last few decades Can you make one of the 2000 Ravens Defense, The 77 Falcons, or Like greatest offense of all time in the 2013 Broncos?
That same so called greatest offense that scored only once in the Superbowl?!?
Regular season was nice playoffs not so much
@@aceassn716 They were missing the whole ol, plus Von Miller was injured.
@@aceassn716 That's an ignorant statement because they have to win 3 playoff games to make the Superbowl
@@aceassn716Kind of like 17-0 until Brady couldn't beat Eli in the SB LOLOLOL
Bill burr brings this up daily 😂😂😂😂
The game where the colts were complaining about the Patriots' DBs for being way too physical.
*Proceeds to score only 3 points almost the same time next year in the AFC Divisional game* ☠
One thing to bear in mind is that Manning came into the league when it was still a running league and that QBs who were slinging it for huge numbers but couldn't bring home the Lombardi were not really given the benefit of the doubt very much. When you have Aikman winning 3 SBs in the 90s putting up fairly modest numbers by today's standards in recent memory and that Manning threw lots of picks, this negative narrative around him makes more sense.
A lot of hardnosed old timer NFL guys were basically of the opinion that Peyton Manning was very good but relying so much on the pass was too risky to reliably win championships. This came after multiple playoff runs ended with sloppy games by Manning. While those Colt defenses were pretty bad, those playoff losses never really highlighted the shortcoming of the defense as they didn't end up being 30+ point shootouts but usually ended up being more defensive with multiple Manning turnovers.
Right when I finish a Bootleg episode and get ready to hit the hay. Brett, you dirty dawg.
I feel lamar is a better current comparison peyton both ave similar playoff scenarios and mvps and people still give lamar shit
There’s also the premise that Peyton “couldn’t get over Brady” Lamar doesn’t have that narrative with mahomes in the way that Allen does, so I’d say it’s a bit of the combination of the two of them. Allen and Lamar could feasibly be the Peyton to mahomes’ Brady, I think daks a great qb, but I don’t see him ever reaching that level
@@partypandamonium9116 honestly a really good point I didn’t consider that angle of it
Good comparison. Even though I think the Ravens have the most toxic fanbase in the NFL right now
I was at this game, as well as the one against Tennessee a week earlier. Despite the fact that it was snowing, it felt like summer compared to the 4 degree game the week before. That bad snap on the punt was the first punt Indy had attempted during those playoffs. When Peyton left the field, we were all chanting “Cut that meat.” It was great. I still think the next season’s team was better, because of Cory Dillon, but the 03 and 04 teams were the best Pats’ championship teams.
Would love a video on the 2013 Ravens playoff run. The blackout moment in the SB gets a lot of play, but those playoff games before the big dance were incredible.
I'll always spend 15 minutes watching Ty Law mug the Colts. God that game was fun to watch live.
This is the Patriots throwback content I wanna see Brett!!
I would love to see a deep dive of the Giants 2007 Superbowl run to upset the then undefeated patriots!
I was a Tennessee football fan for decades. And even I thought he was insanely overrated for his first 7-8 seasons. The way he got over the hump in 2006 was fun to watch. When they were down 21-3 at halftime in the AFF Championship I left the bar a few of us met up at. I don’t regret going home. If I were younger, sure. But that fourth quarter I was at him standing in front of the tv screaming and cheering. Of course the place I left was outta control. It may have been the most fun I had seeing an AFC title game as a fan.
The last two minutes is basically the whole conversation about Lamar I feel like. Most average NFL fans are just like "nope, sucks in the playoffs for sure." There isnt even a discussion to be had because they arent watching ball, theyre just parroting a narrative
He does suck in the playoffs kid. 74 passer rating, 9 TDs, 9 turnovers in 6 games. 0-4 in games where the opponent scores 14+ points, his only 2 playoff wins have came from his defense carrying him and holding the opponent to 13 points or less
Thank you, Brett! This is legitimately what i have been dealing with all off season. Dak has a mvp regular season but has a bad playoff game so according to people that means he is trash. You have cowboys fans saying to let him go because they will just get another QB. Im at the point i want Dak to leave dallas just so these people will get just how hard it is to find QBs even as good as Dak is
I agree that Dak is at least competent at QB but it’s the Cowboys we’re talking about, they’re SUPPOSED to be competing for Super Bowls and haven’t made it past the divisional since I don’t remember when. So while Dak is okay, he hasn’t shown to be good enough for what the Cowboys are trying to achieve.
@z34567890123456 You are exactly the type of person Brett and I are talking about. Calling the QB that was second in mvp last year, okay is just ridiculous, and it's the fact you are only saying that based off of 5 of the games he has played in a 8 year career. I'm exhausted trying to talk sense into people like you. So I'm just gonna say there are many other reasons this team hasn't had playoff success and leave it at that. And no, that's not me absolving him of blame from when he has played poorly in playoff games.
@@Hozuki16To be fair last year was one of the weakest MVP seasons, if not THEE weakest, in history. The NFL wants sooo bad to give it to a QB, especially one like Lamar (wink wink), when in the past a season like CMC had (especially with the weak QB stats) would have gotten multiple votes.
@100puremustard5 that's not being fair, though. That's coming up with a reason to down him for being second in mvp. Also, it wasn't weak, and it wasn't one of the weakest in history. You are only saying that because the guys that were leading it weren't guys you would normally consider elite. If Mahomes or Josh Allen or Burrow had the stats and record vs. the exact same teams Dak or Purdy or even Tua had, they would have been unanimous. It wouldn't have been the bs it was this year, where if they lose a game, they are basically out of the conversation.
@@Hozuki16 1st, the Ravens had the #1 scoring defense. I like to call this the QB handicap ie. they don't have to put up as many points a to get a W like a Tua or Herbert. 2nd, we all know fantasy football isn't real football, but it is a great indicator as to a player(s) ballin out. Last year was the worst year for fantasy QB scoring in the last 5 and when you take into account the 17 game season now it's the worst in over a decade. It wasn't just Lamar, it was all QB's across the board, scoring was just way down.
Sorry for the tp, but in 2003-2005, the Pats were running a 3-4 Defense. 4 Linebackers and 4 Defensive backs allowed for greater coverages while having a penetrating D Line apply pressure.
I've learned more about football from Brett Kollman I the span of six months than I ever did from actually playing the game from peewee thru HS. Really wish he could dedicate more time to breakdowns like this. Knife in the guts history with schemes and concepts mixed in subtly. Hall of fame YT content.
It was actually the Rams New England game that really changed the way the NFL was officiated. New England found a way to stop explosive offenses and the NFL didn’t like it.
Yea, it was called holding.
Spygate?
But they didn't change the rules after that game so Brett is actually right.
By filming practice?
By cheating
I would argue the pats vs rams Super Bowl changed the rules more than this game . The NFL wanted that high flying offense and the pats shut it down
Spygate haha
Love your Kamikaze II pic!
Reignman Kemp was a beast!!
The rules were already in the book, the just weren't enforced. I once tweeted Tony Dungy himself about this game, and he set me straight.
Damn, Brett is wealthy. Look at that apartment
Yeah probably has something to do with his 400k subscribers
That narrative still holds up. They only won thwir first superbowl because they bears only had a defense and Hester. He won the second solely because of the broncos defense. Peyton never had juice to reach the big game agaisnt a team that had even a little offense.
It’s games like this that make it funny when people say Brady carried Belichick. His defense, and Ty Law in particular, is CLOWNING on a top 5 QB ever
"The game that made mugging the opponents receivers on the field illegal".
17 minutes left in the month, nice job brett😊
Loved the vintage footage. Would you consider a video on the 2008 Cardinals? They had 3 1000 yard receivers that year. People forget about Steve Breaston.
everybody: watch’s the video normally
Cowboy fans: so your telling me we have the the next peyton manning?
Specifically with the archival footage, I’d love to see a breakdown on 1) how The Greatest Show On Turf worked in its heyday vs 2) what adaptations defenses made in the subsequent seasons to make the 1999 Rams offense less successful (specifically in their almost great run in 2001).
9 year old me never anticipated Marvin Harrison being differentiated as Sr.
Patriots used to have something on Peyton because he use to play like trash 🗑️ against them. Those early 00’s patriots were terrifying they seemed unbeatable..
The patriots dynasty with brady and bill is partially defined by "bending the rules" using your words.
That final part about the Texans hits home.
This year, I finally got to see my Timberwolves reach the Western conference finals. While the result wasn't what I wanted, the journey getting there was absolutely worth it.
Eli in the playoffs > Peyton in the playoffs
you appear to be missing tbe point
@@kai615k But its still not exactly wrong
Eli by far is the better post season qb. Foles destroys peyton in the post season but fantasy football has destroyed what it means to be a good player. It’s about lifting trophies not passing yard titles.
Exactly
2015 all time elite Broncos defense won that Superbowl for him
@@kai615k Miss these nutz on your chin
Referees simply don't call holding or pass interference in playoff games -especially not championships -if they can possibly help it. Smarter defensive coaches have known this for over 50 years and their players act accordingly. Those Steelers and Raiders teams of the 70s used to foul offensive players until the zebras made them stop and most of the time, the refs didn't.
Can we get a 70% of the earth is water, the rest is covered by charles woodson video?? Loved seeing tape of Law in his prime
As a patriots fan, we mugged the shit out of receivers from 01 to 04 to the point they changed the rules on defense
Peyton Manning is still extremely overrated.
This is the game Bill Burr always brings up when someone on a podcast talks to him about deflategate hahaha
The rules were already in place since 1978. This whole video is a narrative that won’t die.
Pretty sure Jim Irsay was the head of the NFL competition committee, no surprise they wanted the rules change after the NFL's golden child (Manning) couldn't beat the Patriots in the playoffs.
There was another game, Patriots vs colts, I think the 2001 season, where a Patriots receiver caught the ball but was forced out of bounds. Refs ruled he would've caught if he remained inbounds, and Patriots were rewarded a game sealing first down. That rule, which had been a rule for years mind you, was immediately changed the following off-season.
Between them always changing the rules because Peyton couldn't beat the Patriots, plus them being the instigators for the whole deflategate scandal, the colts were a bunch of sore losers
The illegal contact was secondary to the bigger reason for the offensive problem the colts had. The pass int and illegal contact was constant and obvious through out but the fact that the defence already knew the colts plays was a larger factor. The def faced a running down and the colts lined up with 2 backs and TE and the def dropped 8 at the snap and never looked at the back while the line 100% pass rushed even with play action and three def backs were at spot before rec. They moved to spots before receivers even made there breaks. They did not even cover some players on some plays because they knew where the ball was going B4 the ball was snapped.
Cry about it
I was at this game. Can't overstate how bad the weather was that day. Very much favored Patriots' playstyle. I'll never forget the stadium taunting Petyon with, "Cut that meat," chant (a Peyton quote from one of his many tv ads of the day).
Your channel is one of the few on TH-cam that has/have pushed me towards learning more about (and watching) American Football. As someone from South Africa, a country that's very big on rugby [and very successful in it], my interest in American Football-since coming across it through American media in my early childhood-was and still is limited to its aesthetics [I'm mostly drawn to the jerseys, team names, and colors each team uses]. Your outstanding production and the way you articulate the sport and its nuances is captivating. Keep up the excellent work!
Manning resume second to Brady? Idk about that. Id take Montana, Pat. Hell Peyton’s final Super Bowl he was a shell of himself just barely hanging on
Even with the 2 super bowl titles he’s still seen as a choker. rightfully so
Ah memories. Peyton fought the Law and the Law won!
Since you have all this access to older footage now, I have a question that involves/relates to those 2003 Patriots (But it probably requires a ton of film work on your end): Is there "evidence" that the Patriots used taped practice footage to benefit them in their Super Bowl victory against Carolina, or any of their other championships pre-spygate?
Watching interviews with former Panther players from that Super Bowl team, they mention that they had run play installs during practice leading up to the Super Bowl of plays they had never run during the season, but the patriots were able to sniff them out and stop them as if they had already seen it on film. The first half of the game, the Panthers' offense went nowhere, and it wasn't until the second half that they came alive, but this was apparently due to the fact that they were running more "backyard" football concepts with more improvisation/hot routes than they had in the first half.
So I have always wanted to know, are those claims made by the Panther Players true? Did they run certain plays or formations that they never ran during the regular season or playoffs leading up to the Super Bowl? If so, were the Patriots able to identify/stop said plays with "clairvoyance" in a way that would be deemed suspicious (as in they never saw the panthers, any patriot opponents, nor one of the panther's opponents run said plays during the regular season so it'd be weird to have an answer for said play)?
This isn't a means to undermine the Patriots and everything they've accomplished, they are legitimately one of the best dynasties in football history even after Spygate, and I say that as a fan of the Panthers. I'm just interested to know if there is "Circumstantial Evidence" that the Patriots did in fact gain an edge from Spygate.
Also, that was a great super bowl that got overshadowed by the halftime show controversy and I wish more people would appreciate just how good (and fun) that game was, especially the second half.
If brady never showed up, people would still be calling Montana the goat. Manning is still known as a choker, but also a regular season monster.
I would love to see a deep dive on Eli Manning's 2007 / 2011 seasons, particularly why it was he was so good in the 4th quarter (or bad in the first 3). I'm also curious about the Patriots' 2008 season when Brady was injured but they still managed to finish with a decently strong record (11-5).