To be fair, Sunshine's physics engine is a complete nightmare compared to the smoothness of Galaxy/Odyssey. But gosh did I feel justified in my suffering with Sunshine when I watched SmallAnt suffer as much as I did! XD
Hoverless is by and far the most interesting speedrun in my opinion. I can't think of any other game where you can take away the main mechanic and still have it 99% beatable with cool tech.
Mhm! While playing you can definitely tell the game was designed in a way where the hover nozzle was intended to be used nearly everywhere. Feels so satisfying to ignore it and figure out creative solutions instead!
Sometimes i say to myself "Man i wish sunshine had a long jump" and other times i think "Boy i wish galaxy had a dive" and then i remember odyssey solves both of those and i get happy
@@jacobcain9008 spin the left stick around and around quickly for a second until Mario starts ballerina spinning, then jump. It's floatier than a normal jump, but not particularly useful as far as I can tell. Also, ballerina spinning allows you to do the Cappy spin throw without motion controls.
I’ve been binge watching all of your videos recently and wanna say you do a great job editing and keeping your content entertaining I’ve never once been not enjoyed one of your videos so thank you!
I think it's muscle memory from odyssey. Dives don't really have the same level of momentum/recovery in that game so you can just do it whenever there, whereas you should avoid dives pretty much at all costs when platforming in sunshine.
I consider myself a casual gamer and I'm actively bad at anything I haven't sunk at least thirty hours into so I've never felt confident I'd be better than a speedrunner at any videogame. Thank you for that SmallAntOne.
I think they did that in galaxy 2 didn't they? Or did they just reuse those wooden block platforms? I've never played galaxy 2 myself, so maybe I'm wrong.
I can tell you never played or watched Mario Odyssey before. THERE ARE SUB-AREAS WHICH CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED BY OPENNING A SPECIAL BLUE DOOR, AND THE ONLY WAY TO OPEN THE SPECIAL BLUE DOORS ARE TO THROW CAPPY AT THE SCARECROW NEXT TO IT, AND WHEN YOU ENTER THE SUB-AREA, CAPPY DOESN'T JOIN IN BECAUSE HE'S STILL ON THE SCARECROW. That rant really let out my anger there, people should try it.
I just did a 100% Shine Casual run of this game 2 weeks ago and seeing your frustrations makes me feel a lot better about my play through. I found this game to be brutally punishing in certain levels/challenges.
"You are literally running(/swimming) through water. How are you not getting hurt?" Well from what I can figure, the water itself doesn't hurt Shadow Mario. The high water pressure from F.L.U.D.D. is. Pressurized water can carve stone. Pure, still water barely affects it.
7 year old me game'd-over so many times on the Sand Bird that I literally started having nightmares about falling off the thing and plummeting to my death :)
I've watched quite a few Sunshine speed runners do this, but it's cool to see someone who doesn't run it make an attempt. You're still better at the game than I am.
I’ve realized that every 3d Mario game (except 64) you have an ally. Mario Sunshine you have Fluud, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 you have a luma, and Mario Odessey you have Cappy
not counting 3d Land/World I guess. I’d argue that in 3d World you also have allies but they are the other playable characters. I don’t think there really is one for 3d Land though
Watching a professional 3D Mario game player struggle with some of these levels (especially the rooms with no nozzle) makes me feel less bad for having died to these levels so many times. Like the one at blooper Bay, I think I died a similar number of times to
14:30 i literally havent played this game since i was a kid... But im pretty sure hes making it more difficult for himself with all the diving and needlessly high pace
17:58 - if I had a nickel for every time I’ve personally hit the dock and died like that instead of collecting the shine.... this is literally my favorite game of all time but every time I do that blooper red coins level I’m always paranoid I’m gonna jump too early and hit the dock and die.
18:15 when you were facetiously talking about recommending the game if it had a way to stall in the air for just a little bit and it not having it I started to wonder what the game would be like if it did, but not in the sense of him having the Hover Nozzle, more of a Mario Galaxy stall. Then when you mentioned the Hover Nozzle I felt like an idiot for forgetting that was a thing lmao
Yeah, I've only done a few shines in the first area so far, so maybe I'm bad with the controls, but my experience with the game has been messing up what should be easy jumps because I can't tell where Mario is on either the x y or z axis
It's definitely harder to grasp. Pretty much every move you make in sunshine is a huge commitment, especially dives. It's pretty fun when you get used to it though. Those commitments can have huge payoffs if you get it right.
The secret areas of this game are so much like the bonus stages of the Spongebob Squarepants Movie: The Game that I refuse to believe it is a coincidence.
The animations and overworls look surprisingly good for a 2002 game. I mean some building and street textures are horrible, but the detail on Mario and a lot of the characters is amazing for 2002
This was surprisingly frustrating to watch and my body made all these jumps with little Mario. I own that game too and I remember how much I struggled with the camera at first.
Actually crying with laughter! You are so slick at Odyssey but I think even I am slicker than you at Sunshine (and that's saying something) this game be HARD!
@SmallAnt: in the cage shine sprite, the guy starring at the Mayor on the roof, the Mayor needed help moving box out of the man hole cover, so you should of went there and brake does box, and if you fall off, you can just used the under ground tunnel to go back up their as a short-cut instead of climbing back all the way up there, and the rocket nuzzle provide a check point to the shine sprite itself, if you fall off after getting the blue coins you can just get the shine sprite from the bottom, with the rocket nuzzle.
Replaying this in the all stars collection I can concur: the dive in Sunshine is death. It has one function only: getting from point A to B quicker, not platforming.
7:50 - I mean, remember, Koopa the Quick in SM64 *doesn't* kill you for losing a race, so they probably decided that wasn't a great idea, and they took that principle too far...
I didn't really mind the enemy count, hit detection was just a little off. The level design completely made up for the other problems, but they still bothered me. I really hope it'll get enough attention in the future to warrant a fan remake.
@@TheAbsol7448 actually there's a remake in the works as well as the sequel. I think it's only in its infancy right now (a few screenshots on twitter and nothing playable yet).
The "first shine", the goo monster in 1-1, is not necessary. You can go past it up the ramp and defeat petey pihrannha and get the second shine. So you only need 6 shines for the first stage.
With rotating slopes, everyone always struggles but if you just keep dive jumping at a nice pace or run at an angle and pace similar to the rotating piece you never slide off, at least in my entire childhood I had never encountered frustration on slopes in any mario game beside darn 64
By semantics, the bottle is actually free. As Particular Mushroom has explained, the nozzle you use while in the bottle and against the boss eel thing is in fact completely separate from the hover nozzle, and grants you ridiculous flight if you get it in any other area.
I knew how to do the jump around the tower at the start but I wasn’t there so I couldn’t tell you. The regular method is to spin jump around the vine, go into 1st person in midair and face the ledge, and then dive.
![I Finished Super Mario Sunshine Without Hovering! [2/2]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ft67Db4o-kA/mqdefault.jpg)
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Other Mario Games: “Game Over. You tried bro.” Mario Sunshine: “LMAO P A T H E T I C. TOO BAD”
Too bad combined with the cartoony game over sound annoys me a lot
It like in Mario Party
sunshine’s a brutal game for starters
@@adachy it sounds like a clowns nose honking and it pisses me off everytime
@@adachy *TOO BAD!* 🙂
Watching him play Odyssey: Holy shit this guy is a god
Watching him play sunshine: First Mario game?
Randy Keith super Mario sunshine in my personal favourite Mario game so fun!
@Randy Keith He's just diving way, way too much.
@@adamjanks4966 MINE TOOOOOOOOOO
Truuu
To be fair, Sunshine's physics engine is a complete nightmare compared to the smoothness of Galaxy/Odyssey. But gosh did I feel justified in my suffering with Sunshine when I watched SmallAnt suffer as much as I did! XD
Hoverless is by and far the most interesting speedrun in my opinion. I can't think of any other game where you can take away the main mechanic and still have it 99% beatable with cool tech.
Mhm! While playing you can definitely tell the game was designed in a way where the hover nozzle was intended to be used nearly everywhere. Feels so satisfying to ignore it and figure out creative solutions instead!
Minimum captures in Odyssey:
[enters the chat]
Maxime Lafrenière true but to beat that, glitches are required throughout most of the run. This one is just cool mechanics
Resident Evil Knife-Only?
I feel like some RPGs where levelling up is optional might count.
This game is just as punishing as I remember it being lol
23:01 “Sandbird is born? Alright. I don’t know what this is.”
Famous last words.
That level is why I quit
Me : *collects 5 to 6 red coins*
Sand bird : i diagnose you with die
I did it fairly easily
I did it in like two tries wtf
Oh god that level without hover nozzle? RIP.
Doing what he does in Odyssey : "Damn, he made it look so easy !"
Doing what he does in Sunshine : "Damn, he made it look so hard !"
So many deaths in the floorless sections from Ant diving when all he needed to do was jump
omg i was almost pulling my hair out during the flood-less lvl
Ikr.
This is why we DON'T dive so much. Accidents happenn.
"This might actually work, if I can get him wet."
Smallant1- 2019
Lol
"Open your mouth. Open up!"
@Airblader as soon as I read that comment, that part of the video played...
a very wise quote indeed
This quote still stands in the quote book in 2020 :)
Sometimes i say to myself "Man i wish sunshine had a long jump" and other times i think "Boy i wish galaxy had a dive" and then i remember odyssey solves both of those and i get happy
But no spin jump
@@jacobcain9008 Actually there is, just not a very good one.
@@watsgoinonhere1 Oddessy has a spin jump?
@@jacobcain9008 spin the left stick around and around quickly for a second until Mario starts ballerina spinning, then jump. It's floatier than a normal jump, but not particularly useful as far as I can tell. Also, ballerina spinning allows you to do the Cappy spin throw without motion controls.
@@watsgoinonhere1 not useful?!?! one of the most used speedrunning tricks, spin-pound, uses the spinjump!
It's almost as if the game was designed to hover
Uhhhh.....yes?
@@allthingsian6852 r/woosh
MarcFcLisse how
@@allthingsian6852 cause you missed the joke
Nah there is no way that this is true
Next try to beat super mario sunshine without cappy
He already did
He did that in his casual playthrough
Watch the video. Its 2 challenges in one already! 😄
@@Smallant I just realized that's true lol😂
@@vtek579 woooosh
Watching Ant play pokemon challenges: "Huh this guy is pretty smart"
Watching Ant play Mario Sunshine: "Huh this guy is pretty dumb"
I’ve been binge watching all of your videos recently and wanna say you do a great job editing and keeping your content entertaining I’ve never once been not enjoyed one of your videos so thank you!
“Once I get the controls down I feel like I’ll be able to play a little better”
Yes, that is how the concept of controls works.
The amount of times he dives for no reason just hurts my brain yet I cant stop watching
I think it's muscle memory from odyssey. Dives don't really have the same level of momentum/recovery in that game so you can just do it whenever there, whereas you should avoid dives pretty much at all costs when platforming in sunshine.
I consider myself a casual gamer and I'm actively bad at anything I haven't sunk at least thirty hours into so I've never felt confident I'd be better than a speedrunner at any videogame. Thank you for that SmallAntOne.
i really wish fludd-less sunshine areas could have been made into cap-less odyssey areas as a bit of a throwback
The start of the swamp kingdom you get Cappy taken from you :^
Hachi So you mean the ones that are already in the game where you leave cappy on the scare crow
@@nitinanku he means an actual repeat of an area. Not just the concept but an actual level from sunshine in odyssey
I think they did that in galaxy 2 didn't they? Or did they just reuse those wooden block platforms? I've never played galaxy 2 myself, so maybe I'm wrong.
I can tell you never played or watched Mario Odyssey before. THERE ARE SUB-AREAS WHICH CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED BY OPENNING A SPECIAL BLUE DOOR, AND THE ONLY WAY TO OPEN THE SPECIAL BLUE DOORS ARE TO THROW CAPPY AT THE SCARECROW NEXT TO IT, AND WHEN YOU ENTER THE SUB-AREA, CAPPY DOESN'T JOIN IN BECAUSE HE'S STILL ON THE SCARECROW. That rant really let out my anger there, people should try it.
"If your dog wants it and you want it, it's still beastiality." - Smallant1, 2019, 25:53
@@MxPokirby weird certainly, but if it's consensual then it's fine. Doesn't matter anyway because animals can't consent
It really comes down to if both parties can be considered people. If they have the same mental capabilities as humans, they are effectively people.
@@zarnox3071 yes so only humans can consent
@@AutumnForHire In the real world, that is true. Fiction is where it can get more interesting.
@@zarnox3071 *NO*
I need to know exactly how many deaths were caused by completely unnecessary dives.
I wonder if the vod channel had someone count
At least a hundred
It's the easiest way to tell that he has played way more odyssey than sunshine.
I swear the whole time i was like "just stop diving uhhhhhh"
9:05 gimme that "MOON" - Smallant playing Super Mario Sunshine and not Odyssey
Haha, when most people call shines by the wrong name, they usually say "star"
yea, I know someone who does
You should speedrun Super Mario World 0 exit. You could get top 10 in like 1 day because no one runs it.
This... physically hurt to watch lol
I just did a 100% Shine Casual run of this game 2 weeks ago and seeing your frustrations makes me feel a lot better about my play through. I found this game to be brutally punishing in certain levels/challenges.
I've been playing SMS for 15 years and today is the first time I found out you can accelerate bloopers AND those weird bloopers are platforms in 2-1.
You made your life so much harder by constanly diving in the bonus sections (without fluud)
This video just made me so much more confident in my super mario sunshine skills
I like how the parts he struggled with the most were the ones unchanged by the challenge.
18:18 HARD disagree on that one, Chief.
If they added a hover nozzle, that would completely break the game.
Yes but it whould be ”Funner” with it
After watching a few of his blind game runs, it took me a bit to realize that he could see this one
Sunshine be like: “slopes how do they work”
no. Sunshine be like: WHAT IS A SLOPE
"ThAtS A SlOpE"
I find it hilarious how some of the shines he found the hardest were the ones that didn't even involve FLUDD lmao
"You are literally running(/swimming) through water. How are you not getting hurt?"
Well from what I can figure, the water itself doesn't hurt Shadow Mario. The high water pressure from F.L.U.D.D. is. Pressurized water can carve stone. Pure, still water barely affects it.
I'm imagining a PC port mod of Sunshine, or an Unreal Remake where they made it so FLUDD removes paint from walls and smooths stone and brick
7 year old me game'd-over so many times on the Sand Bird that I literally started having nightmares about falling off the thing and plummeting to my death :)
I've watched quite a few Sunshine speed runners do this, but it's cool to see someone who doesn't run it make an attempt. You're still better at the game than I am.
"Fastest Shine in the world"
Two seconds later
*dead*
I’ve realized that every 3d Mario game (except 64) you have an ally. Mario Sunshine you have Fluud, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 you have a luma, and Mario Odessey you have Cappy
not counting 3d Land/World I guess. I’d argue that in 3d World you also have allies but they are the other playable characters. I don’t think there really is one for 3d Land though
YESS I've been waiting for this to become a video. I missed out on most of the stream, but what I did see of it looked pretty good.
Watching a professional 3D Mario game player struggle with some of these levels (especially the rooms with no nozzle) makes me feel less bad for having died to these levels so many times. Like the one at blooper Bay, I think I died a similar number of times to
14:30 i literally havent played this game since i was a kid... But im pretty sure hes making it more difficult for himself with all the diving and needlessly high pace
17:58 - if I had a nickel for every time I’ve personally hit the dock and died like that instead of collecting the shine.... this is literally my favorite game of all time but every time I do that blooper red coins level I’m always paranoid I’m gonna jump too early and hit the dock and die.
Gamechamp3000 would be proud
😉
Yeah Smallant has done lots of the things Gamechamp3000 has done
Bruh it’s a literal speed run category why just ant?
17:43 I laughed so hard for about5minutes
"Requires precise platforming which I'm not good at" -Man who mainly plays Mario games
12:30 this.
This is the bane of my existence. The idea that you walljump not perpendicular, but at whatever angle you hit the damn wall.
The amount of times you dove after a jump for no reason and flew right off the stage pained me
18:15 when you were facetiously talking about recommending the game if it had a way to stall in the air for just a little bit and it not having it
I started to wonder what the game would be like if it did, but not in the sense of him having the Hover Nozzle, more of a Mario Galaxy stall. Then when you mentioned the Hover Nozzle I felt like an idiot for forgetting that was a thing lmao
It's nice to know I'm not the only one that struggled in sunshine LOL
Love the video SmallAnt!!
After playing Odyssey, Sunshine feels so clunky.
Yeah, I've only done a few shines in the first area so far, so maybe I'm bad with the controls, but my experience with the game has been messing up what should be easy jumps because I can't tell where Mario is on either the x y or z axis
oh... oki then
It's definitely harder to grasp. Pretty much every move you make in sunshine is a huge commitment, especially dives. It's pretty fun when you get used to it though. Those commitments can have huge payoffs if you get it right.
The secret areas of this game are so much like the bonus stages of the Spongebob Squarepants Movie: The Game that I refuse to believe it is a coincidence.
The animations and overworls look surprisingly good for a 2002 game. I mean some building and street textures are horrible, but the detail on Mario and a lot of the characters is amazing for 2002
Makes me feel better about my first playthrough (fludd-less levels specifically)
Everytime I see this game I'm hit with a tidal wave of nostalgia
This was surprisingly frustrating to watch and my body made all these jumps with little Mario.
I own that game too and I remember how much I struggled with the camera at first.
Actually crying with laughter! You are so slick at Odyssey but I think even I am slicker than you at Sunshine (and that's saying something) this game be HARD!
I was screaming "Go into first person half-jump to turn around the vines" at that first part
The rico harbor struggles are cathartic to watch haha
@SmallAnt: in the cage shine sprite, the guy starring at the Mayor on the roof, the Mayor needed help moving box out of the man hole cover, so you should of went there and brake does box, and if you fall off, you can just used the under ground tunnel to go back up their as a short-cut instead of climbing back all the way up there, and the rocket nuzzle provide a check point to the shine sprite itself, if you fall off after getting the blue coins you can just get the shine sprite from the bottom, with the rocket nuzzle.
You need to legit stop diving between jumps
Speedrun strats my boy I do it too its like I play every level racing koopa the quick or something
@@a.d.d.j8673 That would be fine if he didn't end up killing himself more often than it actually being faster
I bet if I played the game now I’d do the same thing after being used to odyssey controls
Yeah that makes sense. I was a little to harsh when I made this comment a year ago
Replaying this in the all stars collection I can concur: the dive in Sunshine is death. It has one function only: getting from point A to B quicker, not platforming.
this was my main Mario game, so watching you pained me!
Watching you dive in the secret stages really gives me anxiety!!
When I see him fall off something I can feel the pain and you can see how he dies inside for a split second sometimes
Mario Sunshine is my favorite of the Mario games. It’s nostalgic to me. I remember playing it at McDonald’s
31:51
Ant: “Nailed it”
The nail: 😐
Smant:crashes into a wall at mach speeds
Also Smant: that kills me?
“There’s more, what?” This is literally the definition of this game.
ant's so small he phases through the cracks between walls like it's nothing
I got a SHINY TOTODILE right after Ant said "we're getting all the shines" in this video. The man truly is lucky. THANKS ANT!
Isn't it ironic that the hardest parts in this runs were the stages where you don't have the FLUDD to begin with?
i thoroughly enjoy your videos and would watch streams if I could.
Feels good being better at a Mario game than smallant
The secret level he took forever on is actually one of the easiest if you slow down lol. But he wanted to do it fast.
I don’t know if you included this but... JUST YOU WAIT TILL CORONA MOUNTAIN!!!! I was so sad to miss part 3 :(
I was literally wondering why he wasn't just jumping on the squids the game made it so obvious that was the path.
7:50 - I mean, remember, Koopa the Quick in SM64 *doesn't* kill you for losing a race, so they probably decided that wasn't a great idea, and they took that principle too far...
"camera control sucks" EXACTLY
not for me
"i dont think ive done any glitches"
ant two seconds earlier: *jumps through a mole when you arent supposed to*
"What's your favorite 2D Mario?" The correct answer is Super Mario 63.
My problem with sm63 is the framerate drops amd ridiculous amount of enemies as well as how long it takes to get up after a bonk
I didn't really mind the enemy count, hit detection was just a little off. The level design completely made up for the other problems, but they still bothered me. I really hope it'll get enough attention in the future to warrant a fan remake.
@@TheAbsol7448 good news there buddy
@@329link It's a sequel and not a remake, but I'm very excited for it.
@@TheAbsol7448 actually there's a remake in the works as well as the sequel. I think it's only in its infancy right now (a few screenshots on twitter and nothing playable yet).
I feel like you shouldn't be allowed to call anything "casual strats" if you dont even recognize the rocket nozzle lol
He just didn’t recognize the box it was in, he knew what it did immediately after seeing it
"THERE'S MORE?!" -SmallAnt1 2019
yep there's more
Watching him panic on platforming levels is hilarious lol
Great video, keep it up!
31:49 missed oppurtunity to ground pound on the nail as a "nailed it" pun
Wow, this game really IS A Hat in Time!
The "first shine", the goo monster in 1-1, is not necessary. You can go past it up the ramp and defeat petey pihrannha and get the second shine. So you only need 6 shines for the first stage.
With rotating slopes, everyone always struggles but if you just keep dive jumping at a nice pace or run at an angle and pace similar to the rotating piece you never slide off, at least in my entire childhood I had never encountered frustration on slopes in any mario game beside darn 64
I swear if he does another sunshine run without anyone telling him he can buffer spin jumps, imma be so mad i swear.
You can???
It's actually called the spray nozzle
Dang chat bamboozled me again
in reference to 9:57, where chat convinces him it’s called the squirt nozzle
My struggles with this game feel so validated watching this video :')
The acapella block levels remind me of when squidwards time machine breaks and he has an existential crisis.
26:05 I had no idea that was even possible. That's crazy!
By semantics, the bottle is actually free. As Particular Mushroom has explained, the nozzle you use while in the bottle and against the boss eel thing is in fact completely separate from the hover nozzle, and grants you ridiculous flight if you get it in any other area.
Its still called the over nozzle!
Have you seen the semantics in Gamechamp3000's latest video?
I forgot how bonk happy this game is
“Fastest shine yet!”
*jumps off and dies*
It's amazing how much Oddesy has him trained to dive and TBH diving in Sunshine is mostly useless.
16:46 “Red coins on the water, is this an easy one?”
Ah if only he had known
finally a game i know about
The whole time I was yelling this:
“STOP DIVING THIS ISNT NATHANIEL BANDYS FEWEST JUMPS BRO!!!”
I swear this keeps coming up in my recommended hey youtube I’ve seen this like ten times already
At 3:10. Water Strider! Mario bringing the Tuxedo movie to life!
20:30 Hey! That’s Adam/SomeThingElseyt’s catchphrase!
I knew how to do the jump around the tower at the start but I wasn’t there so I couldn’t tell you. The regular method is to spin jump around the vine, go into 1st person in midair and face the ledge, and then dive.
Yeah I learned Y-Turns in part 2!
Oh ok! I didn’t know they had a specific name