It Wasn't Her Voice Anymore...
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Adam Blai is a peritus of religious demonology and exorcism for the Diocese of Pittsburgh. He trains exorcists nationally and regularly participates in deliverance ministry. In this interview, Adam recounts many of his firsthand experiences of demonic possession.
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As a Protestant, much respect to Catholics for their expertise in exorcism. Protestants tend to discount the spiritual way too often.
What good evidence is there for exorcisms? Is it this guy saying someone spoke in 5 languages and we can't explain this?
Pentecostals/Charismatics don’t 🤷♂️.
@@malirk 5 languages one never even learned. How do you explain that?
Until someone demonstrates there is a spiritual world dismissing it is the sensible thing to do.
@@mugsofmirth8101 imagine believing any of that
Shouldn’t exorcisms be nearly immediate? The way movies have portrayed it an exorcism can take forever, and that’s what it seemed like this guy was talking about. But in the Bible when demons were cast out it was immediate. What’s up with that?
If the examples given in the Bible all took place immediately, it's possible that the examples given were selected as notable because they were extraordinary examples, not as a rule of how cases will tend to go in the day to day. However, I'm not sure that all of the accounts given in the Bible were actually immediate; even when they were summarized in a brief line they may have been events that took place over a while. Some even do indicate exorcisms that, at least apart from direct intervention from Jesus, did not happen immediately even for those acting in His name (such as in Matthew 17 and Acts 19).
Treating mental diseases takes time.
@@claudiodigregorio4315 demon possession and mental illness are not the same
God has bathroom and lunch breakes, obviously.
@@claudiodigregorio4315 as does exorcism, which is not the same.
Why do you guys actually believe in this
I don't know. I believe like i believe my mother when she sais she is my mother..
Do research if you have doubt in your disbelieve:)
One line really caught my attention. "[the demon] responded to prayer". Do you believe prayers have power in themselves, or do you believe prayers are asking for God to intervene on your behalf?
Not sure why he didn't give them to a hospital. Could have actually seen what was going on...maybe even a noble prize for evidence of the supernatural!
I don't know the particulars of this case, but generally there is a consulting phase that involves getting psychiatric evaluation and a physical examination before a bishop will approve of an exorcist attempting an exorcism. As a norm, if the hospital could identify physiological or mental issues it would not have reached the stage of an exorcist attempting an exorcism.
@John Fisher we'd have to see the full case. I'm sure the general scientific community wouldn't pass up a chance to study a confirmed case of the paranormal.
You realize that people undergo significant mental health treatment only being relayed to an exorcist as a kind of last resort, (after Sacraments, spiritual direction, mental health counseling) right?
@new glof sounds more like a placebo. Otherwise, there's a Nobel prize up for grabs.
@@johnferguson8794 I agree, the knowing the full details of the case would be interesting. But depending on what you mean by a 'confirmed' case, I'm not sure I agree with you. I think there is plenty in the area of paranormal research where the scientific community does 'pass up a chance' to study it.
One could argue that it is an unreasonable bias against studying topics considered to be paranormal - there have been meta-studies on the US government's Stargate program where even the representatives of those skeptical of psychic functioning concluded that there is statistically significant data to conclude that it does merit more research (I can look up references if you care). I've heard interviews with paranormal investigators who agree that a lot of popular 'paranormal investigations' (e.g. 'ghost hunters') are bunk, but who say that they take care to ensure that their research has a higher rigor of experimental control than most mainstream research precisely because of the bias against their research but that they still have too limited funding to research on the scale they would like.
That being said, it is reasonable that if there are claimed phenomenon but with no proposed methods of studying them in a way that can be reproduced in a laboratory setting, it is reasonable that the scientific community at large would 'pass up' a chance to investigate because the results wouldn't have scientific value until one could propose how it could be studied properly.
So 'confirmed' in the sense that the scientific community agrees that certain proposed phenomenon are actually caused by paranormal or supernatural causes, no the broader scientific community wouldn't call them confirmed. But 'confirmed cases of the paranormal' in the sense that you can find areas and occurances where most scientists would agree that phenomenon occur that do not have causes that can be scientifically described (but may still be natural yet 'paranormal') - such things to occur and are acknowledged by scientists.
For example Jacalyn Duffin's "Medical Miracles" is an interesting work by an atheist hematologist and historian who became interested in the Catholic Church's investigation of claims of miraculous healings. She does not believe in God, but does agree that the Catholic Church has created a good system of identifying and cataloging cases where no known natural cause can be confirmed and a proposed cause is even lacking; so they do have 'confirmed' paranormal cases in that sense.
Can’t explained what happened in a story that was told by a person that trains exorcists. I’ll explain it. Let me see it.
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
I blew a unicorn last night! Prove me wrong bro, prove me wrong...
Here comes the hallucination of the gaps
chilling description, it sounds like something from a horror movie
Yeah. Fictional, huh?
@@Bill_Garthright Blockhead Bill, back at it again with new atheist drivel. How's the retirement home treating you?
@@Bill_Garthright I didn't fictional but just gives you the chill. It's the way he tells it
I had a similar experience to this when a little old lady spoke in the deepest gorilla sounding voice I’ve ever heard without moving her lips. And she was talking lots of blasphemy. Never heard the experience described so perfectly
Trust me bro
what do scientists say about demon possesion? you should have a psychologist or psychiatric on your show explaining demonic possesion.
I think he already had a couple of such interviews. Here's one I could find pretty quickly: th-cam.com/video/TH3indTWQDo/w-d-xo.html
He had Yale trained Psychitrist Dr. Richard Gallagher on. He does that very task.
And he's a psychologist
I think the people who believe in actual demons are the ones who need a psychiatrist! :)
It says Gregorian Chants makes Demons away! Demons hate Hearing Gregorian Chants.
My God, the absolute state of Christian apologetics.
What about it?
@John Fisher Embarrassing
@@adamgates1142 Why?
@@John_Fisher Exploiting the mentally ill to support silly religious beliefs.
It's been going through a Renaissance and been doing fairly well. Atheists are just stuck in 2007.
2:06 - They had their head back and there was no movement of the lungs and a voice echoed around the room as if you had surround sound speakers.
Cool story.
1) How do you know the lungs weren't moving? I imagine you can look to see if someone's chest is rising up and down but you were examining their lungs?
2) It would be really amazing if you had just video taped this. You could've blurred their face.
3) Maybe next time have skeptics in the room for these things. For some reason under controlled conditions (Rooms we've checked for speakers) these things never happen.
It's a real shame that they can't show us these things. They can only tell us stories of them happening. Imagine how many people would become Catholic if someone was just allowed to record these things!
They aren't allowed to record. Recordings do exist, they're just not supposed to be shown for people's entertainment or curiosity, especialy when the person doesn't consent to being recorded. There are also many eye witnesses that describe witnessing live posessions, not all of them Christians or believers, but who can't explain what they witnessed.
It’s embarrassing how ignorant you are making yourself look. Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and watch the full interview where all of your questions and silly accusations are answered.
I don't think atheists understand what exactly it is they're asking for when they ask to be "present at an exorcism."
All that does is create a spiritual liability and more work for the exorcist in the event the unbelieving atheist gets possessed, which is rather high, given their nonexistent interior life. Shoot, I'm a believer and for the sake of my soul, I wouldn't want to be present.
It's akin to somebody with no military training asking to tag along on a SEAL mission just for funsies.
@@user-cl6uj5bn2f just because someone doesn’t have an explanation that doesn’t default who “does have an explanation” as correct. You need actual evidence to support your claim other than anecdotal evidence
I can't explain what happened.
These are just stories. There aren't recordings of this. We can't really investigate this other than him recounting all the times people spoke in 5 different languages and priests tested them on this. How am I suppose to tell what is going on here?
"How am I suppose to tell what is going on here?" is a question that it is pretty normal to be inclined to ask because of the kind of creature that we humans are. But the natural world isn't automatically obligated or inclined to answer such questions. He's not the strongest philosopher, but something I think that Neil deGrasse Tyson gets right is "The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you."
This means that someone who believes in God can't lean to heavily on: "You can't explain this with science, so you should admit that this is actually God."
But on the other hand, if the believer says more modestly, "I don't know everything, but we've made a lot of amazing progress with the help of science, and while it explains a lot, in some ways some of the remaining makes more sense of the hypothesis that God is real" then we can't expect the tools that science puts at our disposal to be well suited to explaining them. We just have to look at how sound the arguements that lead to that conclusion support it.
We might even still present reasons to say that those unexplained things still have natural causes: It may be that they are just things that are not naturally well suited to scientific investigation - it's that confirmation bias that already put it in the category of 'unexplained'. We just shouldn't let the explanation of "Perhaps it's just and unknown but natural cause" completely trump any supernatural cause even as the potential natural causes become less likely without having a strong philosophical reason for doing so. Not until we're ready to say that we reject the evidence based on philosophical positions, not a lack of evidence that we can investigate scientifically.
People don't just lie Brian 😁😁
@@John_Fisher You have simply begged the question. There is no reason to believe that these events are anything other than a combination of mental illness and extreme gullibility.
@@davethebrahman9870 What question did I beg? I didn't say that I opposed the claim that "these events are anything other than a combination of mental illness and extreme gullibility".
In fact, I said "We might even still present reasons to say that those unexplained things still have natural causes." Your examples fall under natural causes.
Perhaps you oppose the 'unexplained' part, but that wasn't me begging the question. I was taking that for granted was given by the original poster, who "can't explain what happened".
Perhaps you think he has a poor imagination, but perhaps while being skeptical he still believes he has sufficient reason to rule out the possibilities you raise. You'd have to discuss it with him.
@@John_Fisher I was referring in particular to your claim that we we shouldn’t let unexplained natural causes trump ‘any supernatural cause’. Of course, there is no reason at all to believe that anything ‘inexplicable’ is occurring here, given the fact that all these ‘events’ fall apart under close examination. But you are already begging the question by asserting that the ‘supernatural’ is a meaningful category at all. Until and unless we have some example of a supernatural event that is relatively certain, there is no reason at all to think that any particular example is sufficiently well evidenced to overcome the enormous improbability involved.
Cam should discuss this with Fr. Chad Ripperger.
And an atheist with no conception of an interior life demanding to be "present" at an exorcism in order to verify is akin to someone with no physical or military training asking to tag along on a SEAL mission just so they can "verify" what they do.
The liability is too high.
That not nearly the same thing at all. If you claim supernatural things happening then you absolutely should bring atheists
@The Rick it's clearly the same thing: wanting someone with no business being there who is untrained and a liability to the process most definitely shouldn't be there.
"My mental satisfaction demands it" is not a valid reason.
@@newglof9558 it’s clearly NOT the same thing. Seals are factual. Supernatural is not. You want to claim it is then you bring people on both sides.
Your dodging your burden and making up something about me is not an argument nor a valid reason.
@@therick363 dude you're clearly not understanding my argument. You can't just say "bad comparison! Bad comparison! I'm skeptical of one but not the other because it's supernatural or something! Bad comparison!" That has no bearing on my argument.
Regardless if you think exorcism is legitimate or "supernatural", the exorcists have no reason to include you in their project and have quite a few reasons to exclude you, all of which pertain to their mission and your well-being.
Regardless if you think Navy SEALs' missions are legitimate or supernatural, the Navy SEALs have no reason to include you in their project and have quite a few reasons to exclude you, all of which pertain to their mission and your well-being.
"BUT THATS NOT FAIR ONE IS SUPERNATURAL AND GHOSTS AND STUFF" that's a red herring, buddy
@@newglof9558 I do understand your argument. It’s a bad one.
If that’s the case and they refuse to document and release the situation…then we can say it’s fake. Simple as that.
Again, I said the seals are real. We can actually demonstrate they exist. You can’t do that to your thing.
No that’s not a red herring and that’s not how I said it. Be an adult and be honest or walk away.
I believe him
Then you’ll believe anything.
My dog flew through my backyard yesterday while singing songs from The Beatles.....
Theists can't explain what happened.
What reason would you have to make this up?
I can think of one: to mock, dispute and falsify your enemies.
What reasons would the exorcist have to make their experiences up?
@@newglof9558 so you accuse the OP of mocking yet why do you think it’s okay when you are being disrespectful?
@@therick363 where have I been disrespectful, Pickle Rick?
@@newglof9558 bill Garth right thread. And I’m quite sure you know I’m correct. Or your ego is that big.
@@therick363 Blockhead Bill talks like a smug, slow turtle. That's not disrespectful, Pickle Rick. That's just a fact
Serious questions to any Christians, like myself, out there. Does anyone know of any real footage of exorcisms and where I can find it? If they exist, they have evidential weight.
There is none. These people are crazy
Of course there’s none. Conveniently.
There is a documentary about Fr. Gabriel Amorth by the director of the Exorcist. Can’t remember the name.
A Grimm story indeed.
But it ain’t no fairy tale !
Yeah fairy tales are dark huh.
@@mkl2237 You know me, bro. I have a hard time understanding how anyone in the 21st century believes angels and demons are real.
Rock your night. Tomorrow at rehearsal we're learning Solomon Burke's "Everybody Needs Somebody to Love" and I'm telling the guys we need to sound like a male choir in church.
Mark, no atheists in hell.
@@mikepotter6426 And like heaven, hell is just a state of mind.
Even today all these supernatural events are never captured on camera. Its almost as if people are either deluded or lying 🤣🤣🤣
The laws of logic have never been caught on camera before so it must not be a reality.
@@bryansphere6359 Logic are CONCEPTS. This "Exorcist" is describing EVENTS that happened in 3-D time and space. You IGNORANT Xtian should learn up the difference.
LOL
I don't think "camera positivism" promoters fully grasp the ramifications of their epistemology
@@newglof9558
Yes! Also, how could we go about historical investigation if we are restricted to _camera confirmation_ reasoning?
@@bryansphere6359 Laws of logic are concepts. These are physical events.
Everyone takes video and pics of litterally everything these days. But never this.
Also strange how only deeply religious people experience it...🤔
Christians can't explain it either. Fairy tales aren't a good explanation lmao
Who said anything about fairy tales?
Cameron's addicted to the Demon! Demons!! DEMONS!!! views and clicks.
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LOL
What's this about, Prajeet?
@@newglof9558 Same BIGOT different video.
FETCH ... the ball.
LOL
1:42 - Demons basically sound like the person but with different inflections and different styles of speaking.
This guy should look in to *acting.* People can do this thing where they change their inflections or the way they speak. Anyone can do this and it doesn't take a demon for someone to change their inflections and style of speaking.
You're assuming these people are doing this consciously.
Is it forbidden to record these type of exorcisms?
"Atheists can't explain what happened in my completely unsupported story. Gee, it must be that the religion I was taught to believe as a child - and really, really want to be true - _is_ true, then, huh?"
Does that about sum it up? We won't bother to ask believers in other religions for _their_ completely unsupported stories, right?
Genetic fallacy + applying Christian soteriology to non-Christian religions
You gotta try a bit harder, Blockhead Bill.
@@newglof9558
Oh, you're just a child. Does your mommy know that you're talking to people online?
@@newglof9558 insulting others when you criticize someone else of mocking? Nice display of hypocrisy
@@therick363 what's the matter, Pickle Rick?
@@newglof9558 nothing. Just calling you out for your hypocrisy.
Repentance of sins is absolute heresy
What do you mean? That it is logically impossible for God to bring someone to repent of their sins? Or that God could but doesn't? Or something else?
@John Fisher repentance of sins doesnt save you. It never did. To say it did is simply counting in works to save you, but if righteousness came by the law then Christ death is in vain.
@@chungusultimate Are you saying that the heresy is believing that repentance of sins alone will save you? Because before you just said that "Repentance of sins is absolute heresy" and I still don't see that it would be heretical for someone to repent of their sins.
@John Fisher Right. Its a damnable heresy. Believing you need to repent of your sins to be saved is not the gospel.
@@John_Fisher Stop overcomplicating this.
Loving these, highly entertaining, but you really should’ve gone down this road in October instead.
Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤
🤓
Presupposing it is a "possession!"
Is Adam Blai a mental health specialist?
If not why is he commenting on the "possession" not being a mental health condition!?
Personal testimony can't be trusted unless there are others from a different perspective to offer alternative explanations.
Were there non religious people in attendance?
Where there mental health professionals in attendance?
Was a mental health assessment carried out before/ after the "possession?"
Perhaps claiming "possession" as the cause for the person's distress encourages and endorses their condition!?
CHARLATANS like this should be kept away from people in distress.
Oh and lastly remember that Christianity is a lie and is a rewriting, translated, mistranslated, incomplete book of stories conceived by bronze/ iron age goat herders.
Retold, reimagined, past down, changed before ever being written down collection of misunderstandings of how life and the world worked as the people of the time didn't have all the information to make a better definition of what caused life to be, for life to "work"
If there's some proof and or evidence for Christianity being true why hasn't it been given!
You realize that possessed individuals go through a significant mental health screening prior to being referred to an exorcist, which is considered a last resort, right?
@@newglof9558 I would assume the family of people who are experiencing difficult, harmful and/ or distressing symptoms would see mental health professionals first.
I also assume that if someone was experiencing so called possession, that mental health professionals would have intensive input to that person's life to try to help them into a recovery.
As I'm sure you're aware, a lot of religious people and a lot of particular religions don't encourage mental health support from professional services preferring to go to their church first.
This seems to be because of belief and/ or stigma.
Some people who see someone being mentally unwell will believe possession to be the cause because they believe that must be what the cause is.
It becomes a self fulfilling belief.
Someone's religious belief shouldn't have any bearing on the support they seek for the person experiencing difficulty.
"Possession" isn't a real thing, if it was we would have independently verified, peer reviewed, testable ways to demonstrate it and its effects.
You seem to confirm your belief that "possession" is real by saying "you realise possessed individuals go through mental health screening prior to being referred to an exorcist"
You do realise this is circular reasoning don't you?
If you have prove and/ or evidence that "possession" is a real phenomenon I'd be interested to see it
@Herbie Shine did you skip over my entire response and respond to what you wished I said instead of what I said?
Exorcism is not done willy-nilly. Both Fr. Lampert and Fr. Ripperger, two Catholic priests that are exorcists, admit this. Mental health evaluation is done first, foremost and extensively, followed by some spiritual guidance and encouragement to receive the Sacraments. Like I said, exorcism is a last resort.
The most skeptical person regarding a possession is the exorcist themselves, per their own admission.
You aren't being skeptical here. You're a priori ruling it out based on emotions.
Furthermore, involving unrelated third parties in exorcism just creates a liability for the exorcist, since the third party usually is (in theory) some so-called skeptical atheist with no concept of the interior life whatsoever. It effectively makes the exorcist's job harder.
@@herbieshine1312 also I'm not using this reason to "confirm" that possession is real, I'm using it to describe to you what the actual exorcism process is, per exorcists.
"These people don't need exorcism, they need mental health help!"
"Uh they get it, exorcism is recommended after that and other measures don't work"
"No! They need mental health help!"
"Did you just ignore my response?"
I didn't skip anything of your comment.
You should check back over your comment and see that you wrote/ sent one paragraph!
Your paragraph reads
"You realise that possessed individuals go through a significant mental health screening prior to being referred to an exocist, which is considered a last resort, right?"
What did I miss?
I responded to what you said not your ducking and diving and having no evidence and or proof to offer that "possession" is real.
Would you like to give that evidence and/ or proof now?
I am not using emotion to to make a decision to come to a conclusion.
I'm asking for evidence and or proof.
There is non on display in this video.
There is someone making claims
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I am only asking for facts, figures and provable, peer reviewed, testable evidence.
What do you or anyone have?
I guess it will be more circular reasoning.
You are using circular reasoning in your assessment of this video.
You believe in a god means you believe in exorcism and possession as reality therefore it's true.
Including "unrelated third parties" is exactly how proof and or evidence is gained.
It's interesting how all of the claims of the religious can't be shown to be true, can't be demonstrated when there are non religious people present.
It's like when people claimed to be able to bend spoons, use ESP, have "special" powers during the 70's á la Uri Geller and the like.
As soon as there was a sceptic present the powers claimed wouldn't work
James Randi showed this very clearly on the TV programmes he did.
It's the same phenomenon as happened in the late 19th/ early 20th century when seances were debunked by showing the mediums were using fine wires to move objects, placing glow in the dark pins on people so they could be seen in the dark, secreting cloth, to be used as ectoplasm, around their bodies an lots of other things I can't bring to mind at the moment.
Yes it would make the exorcists job harder because they wouldn't be able to get away with lying just like Uri Geller was proved to be a liar just like all the mediums were proven to be liars and just like exorcism could be proven to be a lie if exorcists would be open enough to show how they work and how what they do is a lie
Who gives the mental health support before going for exorcism?
Is it a religious therapist/ priest/ church member or someone from mainstream/ real psychology psychiatry or other recognised treatment?
I have ignored nothing of what you've said and you still have nothing to offer as proof and or evidence for the claim that this utter BS is nothing but lies and as* gravy.
Now you attempt to say I'm ignoring what you've said and you are so open and I'm so closed and blah blah blah
So your proof and or evidence is...?
Is it possible that
1. He is lying?
2. He has legitimately seen some weird stuff, but his interpretation of it is insufficient?
Or, 3. He’s telling the truth and his interpretation is nothing more than reporting what actually happened?
@@bryansphere6359 no, he’s lying.
@@dewilew2137
Ok, then… what are you basing that on?
@@bryansphere6359 probability.
@@dewilew2137
What factor[s] puts the probability closer to your conclusion than it’s negation?
Watching a lot of exorcists content it seems to me that demons both exist and also don’t respect non catholic priests as the demons don’t believe they are real priests.
Yeah, that must be the explanation.
@@Bill_Garthright Blockhead Bill can't fathom one entity respecting another. He gets no respect at the nursing home, which is why he spends his golden years getting in lowbrow internet fights
@@newglof9558 there’s that only insulting and disrespect. Nice hypocrisy
@@therick363 easy there, Pickle Rick
@@newglof9558 hard for you to make a response without proving my points. You keep saying pickle Rick as some insult-it’s very telling of your character or lack thereof
This is weird. Why this content? How people still believe in demonic possession in this day and age is beyond me. Mental illness is a real thing.