Our Doubts about Angels & Demons (w/ Dr. Sy Garte)
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- In this short clip, Dr. Sy Garte and I share our doubts about the existence of demons.
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You can't hold to Christianity and deny the existence of angels and demons. They are all over scripture. Removing them from Christianity is inventing an entirely new religion
What you say is true. They are having a laugh.
That's nonsense. There are MANY disagreements within Christianity, hence different branches and denominations thereof. There are nontrinitarian Christians just as there are trinitarian Christians, just to give an example. Catholicism and Protestantism to give another example are not "entirely new religions"
@@mugsofmirth8101 no they definitely are. There are Christians and there are people pretending to be Christian.
@@mugsofmirth8101 those issues you refer to aren't nearly as explicit in scriptures as that of angels and demons. Hence most denominations split over secondary issues such as e.g low / high church, christology, doctrines of predestination.
However the doctrinal differences between Catholicism and Protestantism are anything but superficial or secondary, especially regarding the means of salvation through sacraments and mariology.
I have personally seen a demon for a good 5 minutes, 2 meters away from me, as a child. As an engineer, I have a rather analytical mind and have come to accept eventually that this was not a hallucination, but indeed a supernatural entity.
@@macmac1022 I think you missed the point, I do not infer for a second in my comment that "proper belief isn't as important as believing in daemons and angels". Read again.
I just said that some doctrines, such as the belief of a specific soteriological view, are not written as explicitly in the Bible as the existence of angels and daemons.
So I was writing about explicit / implicit forms of writing, not about the importance of a belief over another.
That being said, I totally agree with you that some beliefs are more importants than others, if that's what you indicate. For example Christ's resurrection and attornment for sin is a core doctrine according to Paul (1 cor 15), whilst he also encourages us not to argue about disputable matters (Romans 14:1). No matter what we understand those "disputable matters" to be, he clearly indicates a hierarchy of importance of beliefs. That is, what some would call mere Christianity, versus what some define as "secondary issues".
I dont understand how you can believe in Jesus and not believe in Angels and demons.
So who appeared to Mary about giving birth to Jesus?
So Who appeared to Jesus in the wilderness after fasting, and who tended to Jesus after the temper left ?
Who was Jesus casting out of people?
Who sang and rejoiced in the skies when the wise men were led to the manger?
Who appeared to Daniel to interpret his dreams?
Who did Zachariah see measuring the city?
Who are the thousands and tens of thousands surrounding the throne of the Almighty(Ancient of Days) and the Lamb (Son Of Man ) in Daniel and in Revelation?
Who does John the Revelator bow down to and is strictly warned by to only worship Jesus?
Which legions does Jesus say he can ask the father to call down if it's a war he wanted to bring?
(paraphrasing)
Who are the Rulers, Powers and Authorities Paul says we fight against?
As a Christian, is Jesus a liar or delusional in believing that Angels and Demons exist?
Amen to that!
How do you ignore the scriptures about angels and demons as a Christian??
By being a rational person
They don't believe the scriptures, they only believe science. They have no future! Put them all on the next space shuttle.
@@thucydides7849 have personally seen a demon for a good 5 minutes, 2 meters away from me, as a child. As an engineer, I have a rather analytical mind and have come to accept eventually that this was not a hallucination, but indeed a supernatural entity.
Right, Jesus casts demons out.
What we think of today as demons and angels doesn’t really match what they seem to represent in the Bible.
BTW-Christianity is True, well some parts of it are.
That should be Cameron ‘s new slogan.
What bible does this guy read? Jesus himself believed in evil spirits.
Obviously Jesus believed in them, He did not even need faith , He knew they exit, because He is God.
The Bible clearly states that demons and angels exits. It is not even something open to interpretation.
It's understandable that many Christians remain skeptical of angels and demons. I have come to fully accept they exist, but I understand that how they actually are is different than Hollywood depictions that in a sense glorify the evil.
For me, I personally know people that have seen ghosts, and exorcists can explain the spiritual realm in a way that clicks for me despite still being quite mysterious. Our culture puts a stigma on these things as crazy, but I know there is a spiritual realm, even though movies and shows often distort how it is.
U lost in the sauce
This isnt intellectualism or humility, this is arrogantly denying the authority of God's Word. Angel's and demons are constantly seen in the Scriptures. Why do these two think they know better?
Ephesians 6:12 for we are not fighting against flesh and blood enemies, but against rulers and authorities of the unseen world & against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Any good evidence for demons outside the Bible?
Any good evidence for angels outside the Bible?
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@@Matty617 You have evidence it's undeniably real? What is it?
@@Matty617 I cant share my personal experiences with him because he would not believe it. If he does not believe Jesus why would he believe me? Sadly it could be a case of casting peals.
@@malirk any good reason to look outside of the Bible for truth?
With all the scriptural references to angles and demons, plus Jesus talking about them, how can a Christian doubt their existence? I'm not questioning anyone's faith, just wondering how the circle is squared
Exactly. Jesus himself refers to them soooooooo how is the questioning reasonable?
If he’s a catholic and doesn’t believe in angels and demons, he’s going against the magisterium.
Demons are like big foot. They don't like digital cameras.
If you dont accept the reality of demons and angels then you are not a Catholic or a Christian, simple as that.
That makes you rational
Sy, you need to read "The Unseen Realm" by Dr. Michael Heiser.
have personally seen a demon for a good 5 minutes, 2 meters away from me, as a child. As an engineer, I have a rather analytical mind and have come to accept eventually that this was not a hallucination, but indeed a supernatural entity.
How were you able to determine that this was an actual event? I talked with someone that claimed he saw his father after he (his father) passed away. He was a child that was deeply morning the loss of his father. I believe he had the experience but he had no way of showing that it was actually the ghost of his father.
@@brianh870 well, the same way I can tell there is a table in front of me right now. The story of that child has nothing to do with mine. I understand us humans have a natural propensity to come up with excuses that discredit claims of the sort. But the problem is that it is a biased way to think about it, not rational by any stretch. We do it because 1. These events are rare 2. They aren't repeatable on command 3. There are many who do make false testimonies and made up rumors.
However, that being taken into account, the demon I saw was as real as the table I am sitting in front of right now. For multiple minutes in it was there, 1 to 2 meters away from me. I had the time to look away, hoping it was going to go away, look back, still here. Looking at me and shaking its head like a pendulum slowly.
Those arguing that was a prank, well, the "thickness" of the entity was approximately zero millimetres, like an opaque shadow from the 2d world, traveling through our 3d reality.
I am a very healthy and sane individual, a young father, an engineer, blessed to be without mental health. I am your normal middle class guy.
Yet it is so hard for people to reconcile apparent normality with events that we sometimes qualify as "supernatural".
I myself discredited my experience until I was about 20 years of age. I would try to explain it away, although it was always wobbly as I was lacking of real explanation. Eventually I would just shove it at the back of my mind and decide not to think about it. It's fascinating how us humans aren't rational creatures yet do hold rational thinking in such high regard (and it is probably a good thing). We can have an elephant in the room and ignore it completely for the sake of our peace of mind. Often times, you can observe this best within crowd dynamics, where people will comply with the majority and will silence any of their individual thought that would question the status quo. The safe and easy thing to do.
@@jazzpote4316bro ur proof was that u couldn't explain it
@jazzpote4316 Years ago some friends and I visited a famous "haunted" funeral home. As we played back the video recording one of us made on their phone we saw a black orb travel across the screen from one side of a room to the other. We were shocked. We played it over and over. We wanted to believe it was a malfunction of the camera but it clearly was not. My friend uploaded the recording to his computer and we watched it there as well. We were all atheists at the time so we figured there was a "rational" explanation that we just hadn't figured out yet.
A few months later my friend had a party and decided to show the video to some people who hadn't been there. When he played it back there was no orb. Once more, we were shocked. We played it over and over. Nothing. We were completely freaked out. The idea that "something" had followed him home and interfered with his computer was way spookier than the original video. That was the moment I decided ghosts were definitely real. Now, I think perhaps it was something even scarier.
We went through exactly what you describe. When faced with concrete evidence of something inexplicable we simply dismissed it. "Well, there must be a non-supernatural explanation". While this weird thing stared us in the face. The ability of the human mind to simply shut down in the face of the extraordinary is indeed remarkable.
Angels and demons are a dogma of Christian belief and must be believed to hold the true Christian faith.
Not sure I can watch this channels if you have people on who don't believe in all of scripture
Cameron interviews many people with diffrent views. Sometimes even atheists and Catholics.
A true believe should be able to face other views and listen to objections without it affecting his faith.
This will only make his faith stronger, purified, mature.
We cannot plant our head in the sand and close our ears to others, because we need to make sure we can answer and defend our faith, most importantly to ourselves.
It doesn't mean Cameron agrees with them all. He is just an interviewer.
My issue is demons and angels and their basic existence isn’t even up for interpretation. I don’t care if he interviews people who question that… I care that HE questions or even thinks it’s rational to question it. Very confused and wish he’d address this
You doubt demons? You don't have to dig far into history to find them. Try Unit 731.
Who need demon when u got human lol
Aaaand Cameron has completely gone off the rails.
Oh they do exist.
where's your proof?
@@lunarlight3131 you sure you want proof
@@techzRR yeah, why not? I mean if you are going to say with certainty they exist i'd like the proof.
I thought the bible was the inspired Word of God. If not, what is this channel about? Making Christianity whatever you want it to be about? When Paul speaks about not drinking from the cup of the Lord and demons too, was he not inspired by God to say such things? When Jesus cast the unclean spirits (plural, spirits) out of the man in Mark 5 was Jesus himself mistaken about whether they truly existed? Absolutely ridiculous.
Oh, count James out too. James 2:19, so he must not have been inspired by God either.
just wondering, how many more interviews with exorcists do you still need? 😅
I think people have so many experiences, they finding out to relate to
I’m confused… I thought Cameron believed in the Gospels… hence the existence of demonic possession???
It just hit me. Cameron kinda looks like Nacho Varga with hair.
@Cameron Bertuzzi have you ever heard Fr Chad Ripperger’s talk on Angels and Demons and his other talk on Our Lady of Sorrows
How can you be a Christian and not believe in Familar Spirits? What did Jesus cast out from people? I don't understand being "skeptic" lol
"The intellectual side of Xtianity"
DEMONS !!! ANGELS !!! EXORCISM !!!
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I think the issue with accrediting angels and demons to hyper active agency detection is that there’s no reason why you couldn’t just scale it all the way up to God instead of just angels/demons. It’s a bit of a slippery slope in that way imo.
Do y’all not believe the Bible anymore? What are we talking about here
C'mon, Cameron. Do you really think Jesus was speaking from the "hyperactive agency detective device"? Maybe Jesus was delusional or the NT accounts just aren't trustworthy? Rather, it might be better to submit your cognative biases to the accounts of Scripture.
Just to remind everyone belief in demons and possession has caused abhorrent harm to innocent people
If angels exist...proof in the Bible, then how do demons not exist as a counter.
It's interesting to me on how the host, speaking of angels and demons, has an issue "embracing their reality as a Christian", yet makes a point that people's stories make a "very compelling account". I ask, what about the Bible's account is not compelling? Is he placing more authority on people's stories and not the Bible account? Or could it be that this is just another example of the religion of science where it is used to give credence to the Bible? After all, it wasn't the hand of God which "programmed us", it was "evolution".
So is the Bible wrong then or just saying something different than what we think, Sy?
This conversation is absolutely provoking.
A vast majority of people stay within the religion of their culture and worship the god of their culture. These people believe through birthright and only a tiny minority escape their religious circumstances. So why do some jump the fence and others stay in the religious pasture of their culture? Specifically why could I jump the fence? What trait did I have?
The trait can't be intellectual, at least not fully. I am stupid. I don't have a doctorate. Instead of a college PHD, I carried the pack of a Marine in the desert. Carrying packs in the sun is what poor people do when they are young. Fancy arguments are above people like me. I just hold to beliefs that make sense to me. Yet, the topic of demons and angels might shine some light on the possible required attribute for escape.
God, angels, demons, concepts like divine justice, divine reward, the fear of death, longing for love, the sense of belonging place the most alluring beacon in the middle of the fenced pasture of religion. The beacon pulls at our basic foundational emotional needs. There is indeed a warmth, a fulfillment in the thought of an angel tenderly walking with us. It's romantic and comforting. And this tiny romantic thread pulls many people to the beacon and this tread is combined with countless other threads. Most people can't break free of the pull of the beacon. So many people stay within the pasture examining each individual thread thinking it has no strength.
Arguments like the problem of evil attempt to dim this beacon....maybe just for a moment. So maybe a person in the pasture will notice other beacons outside the pasture just on the horizon that are as bright and maybe even brighter.
The ability to leave the pasture is purely emotional. We are pulled to romanticism. We simply need to notice romanticism outside the pasture in which we were born.
Demons are 100% real. I was blessed to be shown demons which was a catalyst to my conversion to Christianity. Most people who grew up in the church or in the faith are never given the gift which is a glimpse into the supernatural. For whatever reason I was given that. It’s all real.
It is interesting to me how something so clear from Holy Scriptures and mentioned by Christ Himself is difficult to accept. I wonder how they interpret all of those many passages from the old and new Testament.
The best way to identify if someone's really possessed by demons is utter something that Jesus said and then they will start screaming,doing grotesque things......which ultimately proves that Jesus Christ is real and he lives, even after this if we can't understand anything from this scenario, it's the problem with our heart....... This is all for our understanding who Jesus Christ really is..... Fallen angels tremble because they know who he is.
I stopped believing in invisible demons/devils/angels a long time ago. Reason and evidence dictate my beliefs now
have personally seen a demon for a good 5 minutes, 2 meters away from me, as a child. As an engineer, I have a rather analytical mind and have come to accept eventually that this was not a hallucination, but indeed a supernatural entity, by reason and evidence.
I would also like to point out that the resurrection of Christ is even more miraculous and supernatural than ghost stories.
@@jazzpote4316 I believe that you believe you saw a demon
@@jazzpote4316 yes except the claimed resurrection contradicts evidence
@@reality1958 and I believe the historical evidence is strong, so much that nom believing historians have to come with excuses such as shared hallucinations of Jesus amongst the disciples, in order to justify their testimonies.
Also, the demon I saw has been seen by thousands of people around the globe. I only discovered this in my 20s. That's when I realised that, probabilistically, it is much more likely that I have seen an existing entity, rather than the entity is a hallucination that has been shared by many and looks randomly identical. What are the odd? That is scientific evidence, and saying it is not because some would call it "supernatural" isn't rational thinking by any mean, but rather it is nothing else than a naturalistic bias applied to thinking, masquerading behind professing "rational thinking".
I've seen demons in the past, but no angels...people put so much into the angel thing
I have a great suggestion why don't you check out doctor Michael heiser's Podcast? He was a biblical scholar you might learn something
‘Strict guidelines’ :)
“Real” is hard to define with demons and angels. I think they could exist in another dimension and interact with this dimension. For me, my belief in angels and demons is a strong intuition. I guess it would make sense that the angels and demons also have guides, but the monotheistic God of the bible has been harder for me to believe.
God created the angels. They are supernatural beings with preternatural powers (can move objects, people, etc.). They are real, but not subject to space and time like we are. They can manifest anywhere in the world instantly. They can know things instantly. They know all the past and all the present. They can make inferences and predictions of the future based on that information, but demons are not always right and are notorious liars. Satan is the father of lies. Angels have accepted God, and do His work. Angels are one of the mediators of God’s work.
@@ochem123 I think this now too after studying more!
People who have never experienced something can't give an opinion. For us who HAVE experience, we Can give an opinion. ;) Shocker eh?
The scriptural and philosophical evidence for angels is extensive. How is this even a topic?
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2:02 - "From fully embracing their reality as a Christian"
Maybe interview the exorcist next time and bring a skeptic to bring the intellectual side to the argument. Well... you did once ask an exorcist for their process to identify if someone is possessed. If I remember correctly their answers were basically:
1) You know. I mean comeon... You know.
2) They speak other languages they OBVIOUSLY wouldn't know.... OBVIOUSLY they wouldn't know them.
3) They levitate around the room... but we can't catch this on camera.
I think maybe you're hearing these answers from the "exorcists" and also seeing how bad they are.
Someone replied that people on Tik Tok are summoning demons.... The comment isn't appearing here...
People believe what they are seeing on Tik Tok...?
The Catholic Church actually has a lengthy investigative process to determine if a person is possessed. It’s supposed to involve physicians, psychiatrists, & diagnostic testing to rule out any material cause of their symptoms. If I remember correctly, less than 1% of people that request exorcisms by Catholic clergy are granted one.
@@irl-hdr4080 Let's walk through the first person you mentioned.
*QUESTION:* Can you supply me a physician who works with an exorcist team? Also, what does this physician look for to confirm possession?
I think you have a misunderstanding of the role of the lay experts. Their job wouldn’t be to confirm a demonic possession per se. It would be to rule out any material and/or psychological cause of the affliction a person suffers from. Their job is to prevent a person from being put through the process of an exorcism when medical or physiological treatment is what the sufferer truly requires.
I’m no expert in the subject, so if you’re really interested in learning more about the subject, I’d suggest books by Father Vincent Lambert, Dr. Richard Gallagher, and Matt Baglio. The book called The Rite by Matt Baglio would be particularly fascinating because I believe he was an atheist or agnostic skeptic before writing the book.
@@irl-hdr4080 Oh yes.... as always... I should go read a book on this.
Maybe... If you're not an expert, don't make claims that this stuff is real.
Demons are fallen fallen angels , they wander this earth, If Jesus Christ have mentioned about demons and angels then they are real,we should believe in all he said, we cannot exclude something which we cannot like or accept, because it's the son of God speaking and everything he says is true, because he is the way, the truth and the eternal life.Not everyone gets possessed like not everyone don't experience miracles.....it's upto God . He is the one who controls this universe .
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I absolutely believe demons are real. I've heard firsthand accounts from friends, as well as many testimonies. Also, Jesus himself speaks about it as well as the disciples. If we are to take the New Testament accounts as true, I don't think we can discount it from our own inexperience.
Unclean spirits are viruses
The logic here of rejecting the reality of the presence of angels and demons is WILDLY concerning. I think you need to pray on that one bud. That’s a very strange hang up considering your belief in the religion that is primarily about God, holy angels, fallen angels, demons, and man.
Psychologists - We aren't sure what's going on with this patient.
Catholics - THAT MEANS IT'S DEMONS!!!!!!
I'm a Christian, but yes i noticed that too
No. That’s not what happens at all. There are rigorous evaluations and if one is actually demon possessed they will show outward signs of it like hissing at the mere presence of holy water, or speaking in foreign languages when the subject has no knowledge of them - a whole host of things. These exorcists are highly educated men - they are not Billy from down the street who opens his Bible and starts his own church because he has a different interpretation of scripture than his neighbor Henry.
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@@Devious_Dave Jesus IS God, whilst walking the earth he was God incarnate.
@@Devious_Dave it's relevant you your question of whether Jesus is an angel or a demon.
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Can you change your name to capturing Catholicism?
The channel name is just insanely dishonest now.
Capturing Christianity isn’t what you’re doing anymore
Doubting angels and demons exist is vehemently Anti-Catholic in nature. That name change would prove entirely unfaithful.