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Thanks!The main problem with this version of Barry Allen besides being played by Ezra Miller, (seriously, why?) is turning him into a constant whiner who never stops with the jokes. Barry Allen is supposed to be a great forensic scientist with a lighthearted, cocky sense of humor. At least we got to see Michael Keaton again. Seems like he had fun with this.
Another Fun Fact: Director Andy Muschietti described Michael Keaton's reaction to the Batcave set and Batman suit, "He stayed like this [eyes wide] for a while. I didn't want to interrupt him. I just wanted for him to take it in. Who knows what was going on there? But something was going on there... It was funny because at one point during the scene where we shot him in the full suit, he was like, 'Can you take a picture? It's for my grandson.' It was one of those moments where he really showed something was inside that was very emotional."
Michael Keaton just embodies being back in the Batman role. He does look a little silly in the cowl now, but there was a sense of honor he gives off as he stands and walks while wearing the Batsuit; I felt like I wanted to salute him like an old veteran back in uniform half the time. This was no old IP coming back from the grave. No, this was an old hero rising from the ashes.
Keaton totally respected the character of Batman/Bruce Wayne. Even walking away from “Forever” because he felt it changed to much. Along with all the crap he got when originally cast. Amazing how much fans he still has as Batman, seeing we have had 5 new big screen versions. This does not count the minor TV “versions” that have popped up since 1989. His Flash appearance was great, to bad the film tanked and more did not see his return.
Fun Fact: Michael Keaton's original Batman suit was infamously restrictive, forcing him to move his entire body to look around. For this movie, the costume designers created a more flexible suit that allowed for greater range of motion, but when Keaton first tried it on, he insisted it be made stiffer
They make a refrence to how restrictive the suit was in this movie! Young Barry tries turning his head while wearing his new makeshift suit and it stays where it is while his face gets covered. Eventually he rips the neck part off so that doesn't happen. Honestly thought it was really funny and a nice callback.
I agree about the costume, the actress, not so much... was it that hard to find an actress that actually LOOKS LIKE SUPERGIRL??? It's not like the performance itself was so great either that it makes you forget she looks nothing like her character.
@@MGrey-qb5xz you realize you just described supergirl, right? Her entire point was to be a female version of superman. Arguing whether it's the same literal character or not in a movie starring Micheal Keaton's Batman played by Micheal Keaton that actually isn't Micheal Keaton's Batman but just an alternate universe version of Micheal Keaton's Batman that happens to also look exactly like Micheal Keaton and is in every way identical to Micheal Keaton's Batman from the Micheal Keaton Batman movies but technically isn't them, is kinda stupid. These are made up characters; if Thomas Wayne decided he preferred the name Terrence so that his son would have the same initials as him - Terrance Wayne would still be the god damn Batman. You can have a different name and be a technically different character all you want, but at the end of the day if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, correcting someone that "actually that's a rare subspecies hybrid between a duck-like goose and a-" it's a ducking fuck. Also I'm pretty sure canonically she literally is supergirl, at least the wikipedia page for the movie explicitly says her name is Kara Zor-El / Super-girl.
@@nahor88 Jesus really? She was one of the best parts of this movie and her appearance was great. She didn't have long blonde hair... that's a nothing nitpick. Even if she is Supergirl, she had been captured and tortured for decades before we saw her. Not being a blonde cheerleader looking girl is not a big deal.
There’s a deleted scene where the two Barry’s get suspicious as to why Bruce can know so much about time travel. Felt like a scene that should have been left in.
Berry: “ Why do you know so much about time travel, Bruce?” Bruce: “ You wanna know why?” Berry: “ …” Bruce: “ …” Batman: [Holding coffee mug] “ BECAUSE WERE-“ Batman (The Animated series), Batman (Brave and Bold), Batman (Dark knight), Batman (Lego), Batman (Teen Titania go), Batman (Cyborg), Batman (Adam West): “ BAAAAAATMAAAAAN!!!!” Berry: “ …” Bruce: “… it was Alfred.” Alfred: [Pours more coffee into Bruce’s mug]
I forget which Batman Beyond episode it was, but Terry says something to Old Bruce along the lines of 'You don't believe me.' Only for Old Bruce to respond with 'Of course I do. I've seen it all.'
The two biggest things I take from this movie. 1 - That scene with his mom absolutely, 100% makes this worth at least one watch. That scene was better than most of this movie. 2 - I have been on board the Keaton as Old Man Bruce in a Batman Beyond movie for a long time, and this movie solidified that opinion for me in a way that nothing else could. We deserve that movie.
i'll never understand why warner didn't just made that movie instead, i mean nobody was really hyped for this one and batman basically hijacks the film anyways so....not to mention ezra as a whole
Bish, what?? Don't tell me you got any Batman Beyond vibes from this sh1t. Not only does Keaton's Wayne not act like an elderly Batman would, or even like what an elderly Burton's Batman would, but his Batman is just a skin that was put on an Arkham games Batman. He's supposed to be what, 70s? And he suddenly knows how to fight with agility that even Keaton's 30-year-old Batman couldn't do? This movie couldn't even play on our nostalgia for Keaton's Batman properly.
@@10tailedbijuu because there needs to be context for a good Batman Beyond movie. It can't be just its own thing - it will confuse the audience who don't know about the source material. Batman Beyond didn't come out of nothing. It was a continuation of the previous Batman animated series. So we first need Batman now, then Batman Beyond.
the biggest good thing I can say about this movie is when I saw this in theaters with my 73 year old dad and older brother, during the scene where you see all the other universes, my father got really excited and nostalgic over seeing George Reeves Superman and the Jay Garrick Flash, who my dad says we’re “(his) Flash and Superman growing up”
Yeah, instead that movie was fan service done right while also having a compelling and emotional narrative along with it. My guess is this movie had its potential but it messed up in a lot of ways of how it handled its characters and story beats. Especially the CGI.
It’s funny, because No Way Home was exactly that. The only difference is that they don’t set up things up for the MCU and just focused on Spider-Man, and they only rely on the Spider-Man movies due to that film almost coming out to celebrate the Web Slinger’s 60th Anniversary, instead of setting up future movies for in a new universe, after the old one gets rebooted.
@@kasam0308 they're nothing alike, No Way Home's cameos are there for a reasons, Tobey's Spiderman was given a chance to stop Spiderman from killing his family's killer, Andrew's Spiderma was given a chance to save Spiderman's girlfriend, and both also helped Tom's Spiderman going through tough time
I’m a huge fan of Spider-Man and No Way Home was extremely mid. It was cool to see the old spider men back on the big screen but the writing was so horrendous it ruined the movie for me. Still not as bad as the flash though. This movie looks straight up disgusting
Micheal Keaton was definitely the best part about the movie for me, and this was such a waste of the character when we could've gotten him to star in a Batman Beyond movie instead, I think many of us would prefer that
I think the reason we got him and Supergirl instead of Thomas Wayne and Henry Cavill's Superman is because the plans they had with them in the original DCEU reboot were cancelled and this movie was basically a consolation prize. I love Keaton and Calle's portrayal was decent but they're not as satisfying as what we could've gotten. I wouldn't have minded Keaton as a replacement if the Snyderverse didn't film the 1001th scene where we watch Bruce's parents die!
When i was watching this movie i thought, ''Why would James Gunn recommend this so hard?'' and then i got into the final scene with Barry's mom and said ''Oh, that's why''. This is movie is the clear example of an imperfect film. Didn't do great in a lot of moments, but the moments it did right, boy they are so great.
@@selamandreykum5844 No, you don't. You are the young brother of a jock who is part of a popular group at high school and gets invited to a party, but can't leave you alone because you can't go to sleep at time and you would snitch at the first opportunity, so he has to take with you, praying that you won't do anything bad.
There were so many good moments, every scene with his mother, the way he interacts with his younger self and realises how annoying he can be and matures, Keaton as Batman knocking out a Kryptonian.
Part of the issue I have with the plot is that it feels weird to have a story with time travel with the lesson being "you can't change the past" and the like, but then have the character be able to change the past. And like sometimes that can work, but the premise of Flashpoint was always so strange with the idea of changing the past resulting in completely unrelated events happening. Like it'd be one thing if it was just a matter of "oh you saved the one you loved but you never became a hero" because that has a logical throughline. Having it also make everything else worse even though things like Superman and Batman should be completely unrelated to what Barry did just makes no sense and muddles the moral a bit. I know that's how it plays out in the original comic but I don't think it works well there either. (Also I'm pretty sure the main reason it did all that in the comic is due to editors wanting to use the comic as an excuse for a reboot)
In better versions of the story, the message is a little more nuanced: "you can change the past, but the consequences are unpredictable, you can never put everything back perfectly, and some changes just inevitably screw up the future". Of course, in the comics, the Flash had been a significant part of years of heroes interacting and reacting, so unmaking the Flash has a major ripple effect even before considering any side effects from interactions with other time travellers (heroes and villains). If Flashpoint's ripple effect were allowed to affect the Crisis on Infinite Earths, then pulling the Flash out of that would probably mean the victory of the Anti-Monitor... The idea of intersecting timelines is a clever handwave if you con't look too closely, and it does the trick of establishing that unless it's fairly literal end of the world stakes, time travel isn't the answer, avoiding a major pitfall for franchises where time travel can reliably fix things - that it completely eliminates the stakes for anyone who's friends with the time traveler since all they need to do is get a message to, say, Barry, to tell their past selves not to make that particular mistake and everything gets fixed...
I feel like it was best explained in the animated movie for the DCU (The ones animated in the artstyle of the nu52) Where Reverse Flash says what Flash did was effectively a Sound boom but for Time when he broke the "Time Barrier" to save his mom and that's what caused all the unrelated shit to happen. Not so much from his change actively causing it so much as the ripple of the broken barrier changing events around as an after effect.
honestly, I have heard that in the comics they learnt it was going to be a reboot while writing the comic, but yeah it never makes sense as to how so much is changed The whole "time boom" thing as the above comic mentioned is an ok explaination but its not that clear still
@@rmsgreynot just the Anti-Monitor winning in the Crisis, The Flash was a founding member of the Justice League back before even Superman and Batman. Barry was the first hero of the Silver Age, his absence would absolutely cause catastrophic issues with the timeline.
Watch Justice League Flashpoint. I mean the DCAMU movies are all worth a watch, but the Flashpoint one really has an excellent breakdown of at least it's version of things, and in-general does this entire thing waaaaaaay better. (by the way, it's the first DCAMU movie, you don't need any context.) To minimize the risk of spoilers but still get the point across; if a plane goes past the speed of sound, what forms around it? Well, it leaves a wake of compressed air that disrupts everything it crosses, a sonic-boom that will royally fuck up anything near it, even if it doesn't directly hit it. Now, the description given in that movie doesn't quuiiiiiet allow for multiverses, but it can be extended to do so. Basically, imagine you're in a tub of water filled with completely neutrally-boyant objects. Now imagine you want to move any one of those objects somewhere else. How do you do that without disrupting any other objects? Well, you can't, moving through the water to reposition one object causes waves that move every other object. It's technically "possible" for one object to be moved somewhere else without disrupting anything, but it's functionally imposible because the waves (the "time-booms") cause other things in space-time to be moved around. Now you just apply the standard multiverse fare of "changing anything causes a branch" and you have time-booms with multiverses where changing any one event in spacetime will alter others unpredictably, but several can exist simultaneously due to branches. If you wanted to apply some comic-scientific reasoning to this you could say that time travelling that alters the universe causes disruptions in the quantum noise permeating the universe infinitely into the past and future, with bigger changes tending to cause a greater degree of variance in the quantum "randomness" leading to changes across all of time of varying scales. A sort of aechronological and aecausal butterfly effect if you will.
Honestly seeing Micheal Keaton return as Batman was the highlight of the movie for me. He was the first Batman I had ever saw when I was little and he along with Jack Nicholson’s Joker are engraved into my memory. It made me want to play Batman Arkham Knight using the 1989 skin. You can see a fighting difference.
Same here, I thought that part of the movie was the best part. It was soo good. The Flash scenes were okay, not the best. But I did not watch it for The Flash lol
I swear Michael Keaton just embodies being back in the Batman role. Yeah, despite how silly he looks in the cowl at his age, there was a sense of honor he gives off as he stands and walks while wearing the Batsuit; I felt like I wanted to salute him like an old veteran back in uniform half the time. Also, it's awesome seeing '89 Batman fight BvS Warehouse style. Even if it's a CGI isn't entirely perfect, I thought his fight scene showed the full potential of the Michael Keaton's Batman fighting compared to how awkward and stiff he moved at times in the Tim Burton movies. And yes, as Bruce Wayne, you really feel the duality he has with both being tired from the old hero act after many years but also getting a thrill out of being back in the game. Overrall, I enjoyed The Flash (2023). Despite the clunky effects and mess of a screenplay, I enjoyed this movie for its creative moments with time travel, the fun action, the great performances and the genuinely emotional moments.
Honestly, I would've watched the film if that counter was a little lower. It's the reason why Marvel is going crazy trying to help the reputation of Jonathan Majors right now: You can't ask people to suspend their disbelief when the hero you have on screen is the absolute worst in real life.
@@shindeanYeah, except Jonathan Majors is playing a villain, not a hero. But to be fair, audiences also don't like it when a villain is played by a real-life bad guy.
@@vulcanhumor that's why I didn't say that majors has to be completely innocent, Disney will roll with whatever hand they're given. DC on the other hand absolutely no idea other than telling people a straight up lie and to go watch this movie like endgame LOL
@ShadowSonic2 I think Marvel has an intervention program. It's hard to have gone over a decade with very low conflicts from big actors if Disney agents weren't around to tell them: "you're about to fuck up!"
One of Keaton's best Batman moments in the '89 Batman movie was also not in the Bat suit. He just does a really great job of portraying Bruce Wayne dropping the facade and giving an intense Batman look.
Like the part where he's trying to tell Vickie the truth, I always find that scene so funny! The struggle, at first trying as Bruce Wayne, bumbling & awkward-like, then as Batman, VERY stern
I was listening to this in the background while working and when Doug said "Wait a minute, I've got all the time I want, I've got a time machine!" I busted up laughing so bad.
I would highly recommend the animated movie flashpoint paradox because it involves with time travel, the use flash villains, justice league played a huge part of the story and show barry that his actions has devastating consequences
100%. Love that film and, if you watch to the end credits, you see how it birthed the New 52 Animated Universe that... sadly had a rough ending souly because they simply wanted to end it and movie on to a new (and frankly not very interesting) Animated universe.
I swear Michael Keaton just embodies being back in the Batman role. Yeah, despite how silly he looks in the cowl at his age, there was a sense of honor he gives off as he stands and walks while wearing the Batsuit; I felt like I wanted to salute him like an old veteran back in uniform half the time. Also, it's awesome seeing '89 Batman fight BvS Warehouse style. Even if it's a CGI isn't entirely perfect, I thought his fight scene showed the full potential of the Michael Keaton's Batman fighting compared to how awkward and stiff he moved at times in the Tim Burton movies. And yes, as Bruce Wayne, you really feel the duality he has with both being tired from the old hero act after many years but also getting a thrill out of being back in the game. Overrall, I enjoyed The Flash (2023). Despite the clunky effects and mess of a screenplay, I enjoyed this movie for its creative moments with time travel, the fun action, the great performances and the genuinely emotional moments.
I enjoyed this film despite it being very flawed in many places although Keaton is no doubt the best part, he shows he still got batman and Bruce Wayne down perfect.
I've been watching Nostalgia Critic for years now, on and off, I wouldn't say I'm a dedicated fan by any means, but I'm always put in the best of moods whenever I can catch an episode
I really admire how My Adventures with Superman handled the multiverse. Instead of making this grand epic multi episode story arc it was treated as a regular episode. It was freshing having the multiverse being a small section of another story rather then it being built up as the end or the entire story.
god damn that version of mys... yeah fuck that, that version of purple flying anime wukong loki is like the visual version of an earworm. I don't know why but everything they said and did just felt fucking perfect, I never wanted them to leave the screen.
Wondering why they made Michael Keaton Bruce instead of Thomas. That accounts for the age difference better, lets him play a more grizzled Batman since Thomas tends to be MUCH more... Intense, and it gives a parent's perspective to the idea of the child trying to save the parent
My guess is that Keaton wanted to pick up where he left off. He clearly made demands about looking good and strong for his return. He didn't want to play the beat down, bitter, old man Thomas.
In my opinion it wouldn't really make sense in terms of the movie logic and real world logic. Basically in world (assuming Burton movies are part of this universe) it makes no sense for the same person to be his Dad - I get it, you could say they just look similar but I dislike that. Real world it would be confusing and strange for the hyper popular version of Batman to become his Dad when we know him as Bruce.
Another Fun Fact: Michael Shannon was hesitant to return as General Zod because he was "very upset" with the circumstances of Zack Snyder's exit from the franchise. He finally agreed after Snyder gave him his blessing.
I'm so glad VFX artists are striking because stuff like this shows how bad effects can be and why we should respect VFX artists so much more than we do
Yeah if anyone REALLY deserved to unionize and strike it was the VFX artists Just look at how bad the She-Hulk teams got treated and mistreated What's worse is how the main producer blamed the crappy effects on... men?
It’s nice to see a balanced view on the film, yes the effects let it down but it’s so creative and the final scene between Barry and Nora gets me every time
@@ninjanibba4259 Well it's to each their own. I love the time travel scene, not for the effects but for the creative and original way of how it's shown. I like Barry yelling at his younger self for taking their mom for granted, not realizing that's just how teenagers who grew up with a mom talk. Batman's fight scene in Soviet Union (I like more for the visual over the effects), Supergirl's escape (same thing), Michael Keaton looking at himself in the mirror after battle, Supergirl flying Barry up to the sky, the whole third act battle, and the scene with Barry's mom were all scenes I enjoyed.
This might be my favorite explanation of how time travel and multiverse works and by god, Keaton is the best person to deliver it. Most Batman would be to serious to explain it but there's a level of goofiness to him that made the whole thing believable. Also an elderly Keaton Bruce Wayne jumping around the kitchen beating up Ezra Miller is just perfection
And another bit that I only noticed when seeing it again in this review. I was amused the first time when he gave younger Barry the plate of spaghetti, because they already established that younger Barry gets mad hungry when he uses his speed. But this time I noticed, older Barry is paying attention to Bruce's explanation of the multiverse, and literally the entire time, younger Barry is doing nothing but staring a hole through that plate of food, like it was the last meal on earth and he hadn't eaten in a year.
For those who aren’t in the know, several vfx studios who worked on the film came out to say “yeah some of those shots were crunched in a week” and that’s why it looks like it
Yeah, the real problem is the mixed bag. It's remarkable how many scenes have the two Barrys, and they even physically interact with each other so they clearly weren't just doing superimposed shots. So they pull that off and then other shots look like a PS4 demo.
@@Sapphire_Jack I don't know!? And while never find out. Which sucks cause I want to check it out to see if they were right. But then again I like all superhero movies, even the bad ones, so I would probably enjoy it anyway.
I like the concept of multiverses. Even before every new superhero movie tried to do their version of it. You just need to know what you’re doing and what kind of story you want to tell. Take the opening of Chrono Cross for example: you’re chilling on the beach with your girlfriend, reminiscing about when you were younger and wondering how things are going to be in the future. Suddenly, you get sucked into an alternate universe where no one knows who you are, some of villagers have completely different personalities and there’s a tombstone with your name on it because, in this alternate timeline, you died 10 years earlier.
Atleast with Marvel and Spiderverse doing it you know its because they are building on future characters from X Men etc and use it to incorporate previous films made before the MCU so we don't have to ignore their existence, WB giving us Flashpoint is just a way to restart DC films AGAIN and thats the real part we are getting fed up with (least I am anyway). I wanted them to fix things without making films since Man of Steel feel so meaningless, but no they are just starting from the ground up again. Yeah they can say Snyderverse is still a small part of the universe they are building but will they bring any of it into future projects? Most likely not
The point I trying to make with the OP was that I wish someone would do something more existential like Chrono Cross did. The closest thing I’ve seen was “Everything, everywhere, All At Once”. If you know of anything else with similar vibes, let me know
I feel like there's a really good time travel movie in here that's overshadowed by the multiverse stuff; what if you met a version of yourself that didn't share your experiences. A terrible moment that haunts you but ultimately makes you the person you are. If this was just about Barry learning to move on from his mother's death and focus on saving his dad, I think it would have been a lot better.
It totally caught me off guard but just watching the scene where Barry's mom offered to hug him - a complete "stranger" that was suffering and I'm choking up like the first time. NC's right, that scene may not fix everything but it sure as hell made the movie worth watching.
Another Batman Fact: When Batman (Ben Affleck) is dangling off the Gotham bridge with Falcone's son (who was slowly slipping away), this is a nod (and foreshadowing) to Batman (1989) where Keaton's Batman had a similar grip to Jack Napier (Jack Nicholson). However, Napier slipped through Batman's grip in the same way which led to Napier falling into the vat of chemicals, turning him into the Joker.
Ok, I have to say one thing: I'm just glad this is still on. I don't know if anyone on this site will actually see this but if they do I just want to say thank you, your content has been consistently good for years and that's impressive.
My biggest takeaway when I saw this was how weird it was to hear Maribel Verdú speaking English (this is from someone who is a huge fan of hers from Belle Epoque, Y Tu Mamá También, Pan's Labyrinth and Blancanieves)... She's also the best thing in the movie, so I'm really happy she's here!
For me, personally, the special effects did not ruin the cameos at the end. I still got choked up and emotional over the thought behind them (the music and voice clips also helped). The babies at the beginning, on the other hand...
I feel like some were fine like West and Retro Superman but I feel that it would've been better to do a few shots far away like seeing Reeves Superman and Kara flying in the sky.
My biggest problem with Keaton in this is that it isn't the main Burtonverse version, which I think hurts the movie. With NWH, it worked because Tobey and Andrew weren't just playing modernized variants, nor were they used as cheap nostalgia Baiting for a shameless mechanic or retcon. No, they were not only the actual Raimiverse and Webbverse versions respectfully, but they were also interwoven into the movie in organic, natural, meaningful, and satisfying way that actually served the story/plot and the characters. With Keaton, not only is it clearly not the same version, but it also rings of hollow fan service that's just there for exactly that, hollow fan service. Not to mention it serves no true purpose to the story/plot and/or the characters other then cheap fan service and nostalgia Baiting.
It is the same version bruh . The 89 and the DCEU merged with one each other so it creates a new timeline but when Barry reverses it his universe gets remade
A Scene Fact: About 18 minutes in, Barry's boss is giving a press conference in front of a plaque recognizing the founders of the central city research facility. The names listed on that plaque include Giles Asbury and Christine Lois (who worked in the art department for the film) and Sarah Hunt who was a construction accountant for the movie.
Barry changing the past again at the end worked for me because while yes he messed with the multiverse again it wasn't as big a change, (one change in the direction that a head turns VS a person who was supposed to die not dying) and it didn't radically alter his present life, it just gave his dad a shot at rebuilding his life, which I think fits in perfectly with the theme of the movie of letting past traumas go and moving forward to have a life. So he still learned something. He let go of his mom. But he's still a human being who loves his dad. Even if it's a mistake I still buy that he'd do it. I dunno. I'm someone who lost a parent at a young age so that may be colouring my opinion a bit. It just worked for me.
I like that explanation. Esp the type of decision made. Barry is only human and he would want to save everyone he can. Even if it's just a person raising their head
That was my thought. It wasn’t him changing events on a big scale, just making a change to draw attention to and that had little impact in the interim. The only people who it affected were Barry, Henry (and his lawyer) and Iris, perhaps Bruce, and that was within a twenty four hour period rather than having someone alive for nearly two decades who should have died.
It honestly ties nicely into everything Barry has been through, he makes the decision to save the life that he can, just like the kid in Metropolis, just like fighting Zod. He accepts what is in the past but tries to improve the future. The movie is absolutely a mess, but it does maybe have good bones somewhere deep down.
In Fact KEATON IS NOT PLAYING THE SAME BATMAN FROM 1989: IF "YOUNG" BARRY ALLEN IS 18 WHEN ZOD INVADES EARTH(2013)THAT MEANS THAT HE WAS BORN IN 1995 AND THAT HE WAS 8 YEARS OLD WHEN HIS MOTHER WAS KILLES IN 2003. WHEN "OLD" CURRENT BARRY CHANGES THE TIME LINE HE DID IT FROM THAT POIN ON TO THE FUTURE(THE FLASHPOINT CHANGES FOWARD NOT BACKWARDS). SO IF MICHAEL KEATON WAS ACTUVE SINCE THE LAST 80's Early 90's (lets say 1989 to 1992 as is established in the movies) BARRY SHOYLD HAVE REMEMBER THE BATMAN(from his childhood memories)
I honestly would LOVE it if they did a Batman Beyond series. As long as they got good directors, writers etc. who are able to do a superhero/batman story well. And yeah, *definitely* have Keaton as Bruce. Like Bruce in that series, he might not be able to fill the suit anymore the way he did in the past, but you can still see the Bat when you look at him, and he can at least convey that he still has some serious fight left in him.
@@Xerou Yeah, lots of movie companies are doing that sadly. First requirement in my opinion for working on something that's part of a franchise should be some manner of proof that the creator really does know and love the source and background, and I mean really loves IT, not just the things they think they could do to "fix" it.
The Flash TV show did multiverses all the time, including having an Ezra Miller cameo in the storyline that went all out with it (Crisis on Infinite Earths which managed to get cameos from almost every DC adaptation you could think of.)
It's kind of sad that despite having a near 85 year history, the only cinematic story the Flash has really had was the Flashpoint Paradox, which this is very much based on. That said, this does illustrate how a character like the Flash could find himself being corrupted. Whilst we get stories like Injustice and "A Better World" in the Justice League series which illustrate what happens when other members of the Justice League go too far and become the villains, the Flash is always seen as somewhat too good to go down a dark path, but this certainly shows that there is a line he shouldn't cross; for most heroes, it's when they use their powers selfishly or they take a life, but for the Flash, he stops being a hero when he keeps trying to change the past.
Corridor Crew have a whole video dedicated to breaking down the SFX in this film, and it's worth a watch. They point out where things work and where they don't, but also don't blame the artists who were likely on a tight timetable to get things done. Totally recoomend watching it.
@@chainsov most of the shots wouldn't allow superimposition. Like when the camera rotates around them in a room, or when they are physically interacting with each other. They can't do like in the Parent Trap where the two versions of the actor have to stay on their side of the line, or when one of them conveniently has their face hidden at all times.
There's a song that Barry and his mother sing to each other with the lyrics, "La vida te da sorpresas, sorpresas te da la vida"; my own mother and I sing this song to each other nearly every time we see each other. We've never heard any piece of media, in English or Spanish, reference this song outside of when the song is played. To hear it in THIS MOVIE, this messy, ugly, *heartwarming* film, is what makes me recommend The Flash as well. It's an ugly film, but there's a heart to the mother and son scenes, the Keaton scenes, which stops it from being flat out bad. An AI didn't create this movie, humans did, and no CEO could stop a little beauty to shine through.
They rip on marvel movies, but clearly they have a bias for DC properties. Because half of this video above sounded like "Well, in a, kinda, maybe, not so, itso, matterly, utterly, lil bitty, for sake of it, not....tooo....badly of a film" in it's descriptions.
My favorite descriptor I've heard used for this movie is "A ghoulish parade of corpses" because of all the horrific looking CGI cameos from dead celebrities.
Including 1 who ended himself because he DIDN'T want to just be associated with Superman... and this movie CGI brought him back to just associate him with Superman. Obliviously heartless and beyond disrespectful
@@dylansharp8471 I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally won't fault anyone for what they enjoy, just so long as what they enjoy doesn't harm anyone else. If you wanna like this movie, that's fine. Same goes for anyone else that likes it. Personally, I think it's kinda morbid and morally bankrupt that WB rolled out a bunch of CGI fakes of long dead actors to make a quick buck. Although, the even more disgusting thing is that I've heard that one of the CGI deepfakes they used was of a still living actor that they neither consulted beforehand nor paid to use the likeness of. I think it was an actor for an old Flash TV show. Apparently he had no idea they would use his likeness in this movie until people saw his CGI double in the film and started asking him about it on social media.
@@dylansharp8471 Im not sure what you're asking, but I think the anger people are feeling is at the studio, not fans of the movies. I hope that helps!
Don't know who did the effect of the two Barry Allens interacting with each other, but the effect is pretty amazing. Really makes it seem like Ezra Miller had a an exact lookalike or twin brother each time I saw them on screen. Reminds me of the music video for the song Tunka Tunak Tun.
He did have a double for some stuff, it seems, but yeah, the double filming is probably the major reason they didn't recast Ezra Miller after all the incidents: film had already been delayed quite a bit and there was a version of the script that sounded better in a way, iirc
Still really liked this movie. Only things I would've done differently (beyond the CGI) would be using a Flash villain for the opening scene, switch some of the more problematic cameos, and have a more self-contained ending. There's still amazing performances, inspired directing, mostly solid writing, tons of emotional moments and creative action sequences to boot, elevating a potentially convoluted concept into a compelling watch that never looses track of Barry's journey through trauma. The tone and pacing also help make this one of the more rewatchable entries in the DCEU.
The Flash had some entertaining moments but overall the tone of the movie was completely uneven Ezra Miller’s performance was eye rolling bad This movie prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they completely need to reboot the entire universe this was all of what was the problems of the entire DCU universe in one movie.
I think the DCU doesn't need to happen at all. I loved that this movie didn't feel like it's trying to set up a million sequels and crossovers. Its it's own thing. I've only enjoyed a very small few DC movies, this one being one of them.
I feel like both the flash TV and especially the Flashpoint animated movie did way better. Having supergirl instead of superman is fine , but the part about how what Barry did changed who got the codex makes no sense to me. I also feel like this version of batman is a letdown as this is the one time where a more edgier batman whose openly uses guns makes sense. Sure, the Keaton films had a body count, but it was never as dark as the Thomas Wayne version felt.
You don't feel, they are both superior to this hollywood produced garbage. It is clear that the director hadn't read a comic book in his life, and I just hate it, because they were raving about it for months how good it was gonna be but then it was just a big fart. Ezra Miller as The Flash was always a decision made simply because they wanted a funky character like Spiderman in the DCEU, comic relief. While Barry may crack jokes he is not comic relief, he is not a 12 year old child laughing spastically. And yeah, Batman in this universe is for some reason Bruce Wayne instead of Thomas Wayne. Again showing that the director could not care less about comics. They can go stick this movie up their asses, if Gunn continues this trend his new DCU will be dead on arrival.
The scene where he puts the tomatoes back had me holding back tears. I was already on board with a lot of the ideas the movie was putting out, but I didn't expect to... well, feel feelings enough to have my eyes water. What ruined this moment for me was the theater I was at, and the two in front who were loudly laughing, while making it seem like they were trying to be quiet. The anger I felt... People almost died that day.
@@juststatedtheobvious9633 It's the rules of time travel: It doesn't matter if two events are related, the butterfly effect will still do what it does.
@@juststatedtheobvious9633The animated Flashpoint movie - the good one - explained this as a “time boom” similar to how Barry’s speed breaking the sound barrier creates a sonic boom, both leaving destruction in their wake on different scales. So yes, Barry saving his mom is technically a tiny thing in the grand scheme of the multiverse, but the ripples he causes in his attempt to do so means that saving her creates a war between Atlantis and Themiscyra, or that Zod is fighting Supergirl now. It stresses the importance of accepting what’s happened and not trying to change the past because you don’t know the damage you can do.
@@JeffZ1028 Imagine not knowing what hyperbole is, and taking it seriously at face value because you're an idiot. I'm quite literally laughing at you now, and thank you for that.
I gwt that the lasso compells you to tell the truth, but I don't think that means it compells you to just blurt out whatever the hell is most embarrassing at the moment... Not only that but Batman is supposed to be iron willed so how could his will be so easily overcome by the lasso that he literally cannot resist even slightly?...
Incidentally, I consider the animated Flashpoint Paradox adaptation to be the best direct-to-video film ever made. We really got some good stuff out of those animated ones!
I personally think Micheal Keaton killed it in this movie as i know he would as Batman. I loved the actions scenes with him, I thought they were really well done. It got me pumped up, i didn't have an issue with that at all. It showed the awesomeness of Keatons Batman. I do wish i got more of him though that's for sure.
Gotta love how the credits have OK GO's song which for me is a double reference: the song "this too shall pass" came out with an iconic clip of a real Domino Effect, and the whole point of Flashpoint Paradox IS the *domino effect* of timey-wimey stuff. And the main lyric of the song is "let it go, this too shall pass", which is a good message for the movie.... but a REALLY snarky way to say "THE SNYDERVERSE IS DEAD, LET IT GO!"
As my mom unexpectedly and sadly passed away a few months before "The Flash" released, when I watched that scene where Barry takes back the tomatoes and talks with his mother in the cinema, it broke me... It's a shame that this film was meddled with so heavily and had the misfortune of being released at the end of the DCEU collapse. Still, I liked this movie quite a bit, even though it definetely could have been way better. Seeing Michael Keaton as Batman once more was awesome though.
Honestly, the best part for me, was with the two versions of Barry fighting Zod, perfectly mirrored that one iconic, comic panel motif from when Future Flash went back in time to fight modern Flash. But, instead this time, they’re working alongside one another. I seriously want to give major props to the writing and story board teams for really doing there homework and knowing just what canonical scenes to evoke to really hit my nostalgia with a semi-truck’s worth of callbacks, references and Easter eggs. It’s just to bad the movie was practically DOA, due to the unmitigated controversy surrounding its lead as well as its overall production, in general.
13:57 I choose to believe that since the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher movies share the same Commissioner Gordon, Jim Gordon went back in time and changed universes
While I don't think it was an "incredible" movie, I did enjoy seeing it. It's not perfect by any means and the young version of Berry was annoying but overall I think it was an ok movie.
I cried the first time I saw the scene Barry saw his mother one last time. Reminded so much of my mom, who passed a few years ago. I still miss her so very much.
my main gripe with The Flash is that it is an amazing Batman&SuperGirl movie that got mugged in an alley way by 2 barry allens and then someone came along, gutted the corpse, and used it to make a flash move.
13:58 there is actually a deleted scene where young Barry is discussing with older Barry about how bruce knows so much about time travel and he says "it's almost like he's tired it before" I think they might be hinting that he may have tried to go back in time to save his parents and failed. 🤔
For me personally, I just get this feeling of being tired by this movie. It has nothing to do with superhero fatigue (this train will NEVER die for me!) or being tired of multiverse movies. I’m just sick of the slow motion, mismanaged, troubled production, catch-up, redirecting, miscast, recast, nuclear train wreck that is the DCEU.
I personally think that, if you took elements of this movie,original Flashpoint comic, AND flashpoint paradox film, CW's Flash, and his Geoff Johns' Flash Rebirth story, you could have the solid Barry Allen Origin Story (or culmination of his 1st big character arc). Have the flashpoint elements pan out almost as exactly as happened in comics, but then, you take cue of this film's "Dark Flash", with Barry (and Thawne) seeing future versions of them getting stuck in a perpetual feud of who gets to impose their vision of the timeline, for all eternity. Thawne, being the obsessive psychopath that he is, would consider this "his dream come true". Barry's mom, somhow getting to see this, and encouraging Barry to move on. That, she would gladly accept her death, if that means Barry gets to live his own life and be happy Even including Flashpoint Paradox's use of the phrase: "accept what cannot be changed, the courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know the one from the other" THus, This leads to Barry letting Thawne "win the battle but not the war", and accept his mom's death at Thawne's hands, but changing just enough stuff, learning to see what can be changed and what can't be not (and getting his dad's freedom). And for Thawne, to stop obssesing about molding Barry's past (given Barry's new outlook in life), and now changing modus operandi, and focusing more on shaping up his future and present. Maybe give or take Have Nora allen somehow revive in the present for a future story, unbeknowst to Barry at the moment.
It's not the Batman Burtonverse. It's explained in the movie that time travel basically mixes stuff up. It's the Snyderverse, but also the Burtonverse. Also, Bruce still fought 2-face and stuff and got a Robin. Then like 20 years pass and Batman isn't really needed
I might be the only person in the world that thought that this was one of the best superhero movies made so far. It’s not Endgame, or No Way Home, but it was fantastic. I wish they would have stuck with the original ending with all the heroes showing up at the courthouse, and Keaton being Thomas Wayne. That would have been sweet.
Flash was.....eh. Thoughts?
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As hot of a mess as that plate of spaghetti
Amazing!
Can you review Escape from Cluster Prime, Escape from Tomorrow, Rock and Rule, Meet the Robinsons, Oliver and Company, 101 Dalmatians, The Aristocats, Jungle Book (1967), The Rescuers (1977), and Rugrats Go Wild?
No way home but the cameos were feel like they were added weeks before the movie released
@@danielsantiagourtado3430 Accurate
Sasha Calle did an amazing job as Supergirl but that’s about it.
Thanks!The main problem with this version of Barry Allen besides being played by Ezra Miller, (seriously, why?) is turning him into a constant whiner who never stops with the jokes. Barry Allen is supposed to be a great forensic scientist with a lighthearted, cocky sense of humor. At least we got to see Michael Keaton again. Seems like he had fun with this.
Agreed
I always thought ezra miller was a bad flash even before the stuff he did, he just never acted right, CW flash is the best
Even the CW Flash was closer to the character than this version was.
Grant Gustin will forever be my Barry
Keaton seemed bored to me.
Another Fun Fact: Director Andy Muschietti described Michael Keaton's reaction to the Batcave set and Batman suit, "He stayed like this [eyes wide] for a while. I didn't want to interrupt him. I just wanted for him to take it in. Who knows what was going on there? But something was going on there... It was funny because at one point during the scene where we shot him in the full suit, he was like, 'Can you take a picture? It's for my grandson.' It was one of those moments where he really showed something was inside that was very emotional."
Oh man. Somebody's cutting onions in my room.
Michael Keaton just embodies being back in the Batman role. He does look a little silly in the cowl now, but there was a sense of honor he gives off as he stands and walks while wearing the Batsuit; I felt like I wanted to salute him like an old veteran back in uniform half the time. This was no old IP coming back from the grave. No, this was an old hero rising from the ashes.
He truly is the best live action Batman.
Keaton totally respected the character of Batman/Bruce Wayne. Even walking away from “Forever” because he felt it changed to much. Along with all the crap he got when originally cast. Amazing how much fans he still has as Batman, seeing we have had 5 new big screen versions. This does not count the minor TV “versions” that have popped up since 1989. His Flash appearance was great, to bad the film tanked and more did not see his return.
@@welcometothemetaverse2523except story wise it makes no sense why he'd stop stopping crime
Fun Fact: Michael Keaton's original Batman suit was infamously restrictive, forcing him to move his entire body to look around. For this movie, the costume designers created a more flexible suit that allowed for greater range of motion, but when Keaton first tried it on, he insisted it be made stiffer
They make a refrence to how restrictive the suit was in this movie! Young Barry tries turning his head while wearing his new makeshift suit and it stays where it is while his face gets covered. Eventually he rips the neck part off so that doesn't happen. Honestly thought it was really funny and a nice callback.
@@zacharybartolo5111 more like making fun of michael for suggesting to make the suit stiffer
The Supergirl costume is hands down one of my favourites ever. It’s so clean and bright, it screams superhero and cuts a fantastic silhouette.
I agree about the costume, the actress, not so much... was it that hard to find an actress that actually LOOKS LIKE SUPERGIRL??? It's not like the performance itself was so great either that it makes you forget she looks nothing like her character.
it's not super girl, it's girl version of superman from that one universe in the comics
I strongly agree
@@MGrey-qb5xz you realize you just described supergirl, right? Her entire point was to be a female version of superman. Arguing whether it's the same literal character or not in a movie starring Micheal Keaton's Batman played by Micheal Keaton that actually isn't Micheal Keaton's Batman but just an alternate universe version of Micheal Keaton's Batman that happens to also look exactly like Micheal Keaton and is in every way identical to Micheal Keaton's Batman from the Micheal Keaton Batman movies but technically isn't them, is kinda stupid. These are made up characters; if Thomas Wayne decided he preferred the name Terrence so that his son would have the same initials as him - Terrance Wayne would still be the god damn Batman. You can have a different name and be a technically different character all you want, but at the end of the day if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, correcting someone that "actually that's a rare subspecies hybrid between a duck-like goose and a-" it's a ducking fuck.
Also I'm pretty sure canonically she literally is supergirl, at least the wikipedia page for the movie explicitly says her name is Kara Zor-El / Super-girl.
@@nahor88 Jesus really?
She was one of the best parts of this movie and her appearance was great.
She didn't have long blonde hair... that's a nothing nitpick.
Even if she is Supergirl, she had been captured and tortured for decades before we saw her. Not being a blonde cheerleader looking girl is not a big deal.
The delivery of, "but raisins aren't bananas" was just too good. Thank you Critic
Raisins aren't bananas
@@LuisSierra42 raisins AREN'T bananas!
@@meanMUGGINifycringe
There’s a deleted scene where the two Barry’s get suspicious as to why Bruce can know so much about time travel. Felt like a scene that should have been left in.
Berry: “ Why do you know so much about time travel, Bruce?”
Bruce: “ You wanna know why?”
Berry: “ …”
Bruce: “ …”
Batman: [Holding coffee mug] “ BECAUSE WERE-“
Batman (The Animated series), Batman (Brave and Bold), Batman (Dark knight), Batman (Lego), Batman (Teen Titania go), Batman (Cyborg), Batman (Adam West): “ BAAAAAATMAAAAAN!!!!”
Berry: “ …”
Bruce: “… it was Alfred.”
Alfred: [Pours more coffee into Bruce’s mug]
@@liarliarplants4hiregood joke, would’ve stopped at the “it was Alfred” part.
@@liarliarplants4hirenever cook again
@@giabaonn600 Cook?
I forget which Batman Beyond episode it was, but Terry says something to Old Bruce along the lines of 'You don't believe me.' Only for Old Bruce to respond with 'Of course I do. I've seen it all.'
The two biggest things I take from this movie.
1 - That scene with his mom absolutely, 100% makes this worth at least one watch. That scene was better than most of this movie.
2 - I have been on board the Keaton as Old Man Bruce in a Batman Beyond movie for a long time, and this movie solidified that opinion for me in a way that nothing else could. We deserve that movie.
Batman Beyond. Please, I want a Batman Beyond film with Keaton!
@@Thunderscreamer we all want a Batman Beyond movie, but for some reason Hollywood exects refuse it.
i'll never understand why warner didn't just made that movie instead, i mean nobody was really hyped for this one and batman basically hijacks the film anyways so....not to mention ezra as a whole
Bish, what?? Don't tell me you got any Batman Beyond vibes from this sh1t. Not only does Keaton's Wayne not act like an elderly Batman would, or even like what an elderly Burton's Batman would, but his Batman is just a skin that was put on an Arkham games Batman. He's supposed to be what, 70s? And he suddenly knows how to fight with agility that even Keaton's 30-year-old Batman couldn't do? This movie couldn't even play on our nostalgia for Keaton's Batman properly.
@@10tailedbijuu because there needs to be context for a good Batman Beyond movie. It can't be just its own thing - it will confuse the audience who don't know about the source material. Batman Beyond didn't come out of nothing. It was a continuation of the previous Batman animated series. So we first need Batman now, then Batman Beyond.
the biggest good thing I can say about this movie is when I saw this in theaters with my 73 year old dad and older brother, during the scene where you see all the other universes, my father got really excited and nostalgic over seeing George Reeves Superman and the Jay Garrick Flash, who my dad says we’re “(his) Flash and Superman growing up”
My dad thought he remembered the Nic Cage movie.
I didn't tell him.
Damn, what a damning statement about the film.
Saying that this is like the Snyder Flash meeting the Whedon Flash is freaking brilliant
yep, whedon flash doesn't get why to be a hero
14:15 Wow, if I had a nickel for any time spaghetti was used in a Multiverse Story, I'd have 3 nickels. Not two, THREE!!!
Please do list it.
@luigipowdemo6458 Loki Season 2, Rick and Morty Season 7, The Flash.
@klimmr gotcha. Thanks.
This film is what we all feared No Way Home was gonna be like
Yeah, instead that movie was fan service done right while also having a compelling and emotional narrative along with it. My guess is this movie had its potential but it messed up in a lot of ways of how it handled its characters and story beats. Especially the CGI.
Yep.
But Tobey, Andrew and Tom are awesome individuals...
It’s funny, because No Way Home was exactly that. The only difference is that they don’t set up things up for the MCU and just focused on Spider-Man, and they only rely on the Spider-Man movies due to that film almost coming out to celebrate the Web Slinger’s 60th Anniversary, instead of setting up future movies for in a new universe, after the old one gets rebooted.
@@kasam0308 they're nothing alike, No Way Home's cameos are there for a reasons, Tobey's Spiderman was given a chance to stop Spiderman from killing his family's killer, Andrew's Spiderma was given a chance to save Spiderman's girlfriend, and both also helped Tom's Spiderman going through tough time
I’m a huge fan of Spider-Man and No Way Home was extremely mid. It was cool to see the old spider men back on the big screen but the writing was so horrendous it ruined the movie for me. Still not as bad as the flash though. This movie looks straight up disgusting
God i feel so bad for Michael Keaton doing this film he deserved so much better
He is literally the best thing in it I shed a small tear in that action scene I would have loved a separate movie
Ezra and Amber are really hurting these movies
Micheal Keaton was definitely the best part about the movie for me, and this was such a waste of the character when we could've gotten him to star in a Batman Beyond movie instead, I think many of us would prefer that
I think the reason we got him and Supergirl instead of Thomas Wayne and Henry Cavill's Superman is because the plans they had with them in the original DCEU reboot were cancelled and this movie was basically a consolation prize. I love Keaton and Calle's portrayal was decent but they're not as satisfying as what we could've gotten. I wouldn't have minded Keaton as a replacement if the Snyderverse didn't film the 1001th scene where we watch Bruce's parents die!
Keaton still seemed like he had a blast in this
When i was watching this movie i thought, ''Why would James Gunn recommend this so hard?'' and then i got into the final scene with Barry's mom and said ''Oh, that's why''.
This is movie is the clear example of an imperfect film. Didn't do great in a lot of moments, but the moments it did right, boy they are so great.
"Why would James Gunn recommend this so hard?"
Because they bought him, plain and simple. Don't have to look deeper than that.
@@selamandreykum5844
You're fun at parties
@@thebathroom6327 hey, at least I get invited to them
@@selamandreykum5844 No, you don't. You are the young brother of a jock who is part of a popular group at high school and gets invited to a party, but can't leave you alone because you can't go to sleep at time and you would snitch at the first opportunity, so he has to take with you, praying that you won't do anything bad.
@@thebathroom6327 So do parties just hate correct people? Cuz that's what I'm getting from literally every time some asshole says this line.
There were so many good moments, every scene with his mother, the way he interacts with his younger self and realises how annoying he can be and matures, Keaton as Batman knocking out a Kryptonian.
Part of the issue I have with the plot is that it feels weird to have a story with time travel with the lesson being "you can't change the past" and the like, but then have the character be able to change the past. And like sometimes that can work, but the premise of Flashpoint was always so strange with the idea of changing the past resulting in completely unrelated events happening. Like it'd be one thing if it was just a matter of "oh you saved the one you loved but you never became a hero" because that has a logical throughline. Having it also make everything else worse even though things like Superman and Batman should be completely unrelated to what Barry did just makes no sense and muddles the moral a bit. I know that's how it plays out in the original comic but I don't think it works well there either. (Also I'm pretty sure the main reason it did all that in the comic is due to editors wanting to use the comic as an excuse for a reboot)
In better versions of the story, the message is a little more nuanced: "you can change the past, but the consequences are unpredictable, you can never put everything back perfectly, and some changes just inevitably screw up the future".
Of course, in the comics, the Flash had been a significant part of years of heroes interacting and reacting, so unmaking the Flash has a major ripple effect even before considering any side effects from interactions with other time travellers (heroes and villains). If Flashpoint's ripple effect were allowed to affect the Crisis on Infinite Earths, then pulling the Flash out of that would probably mean the victory of the Anti-Monitor...
The idea of intersecting timelines is a clever handwave if you con't look too closely, and it does the trick of establishing that unless it's fairly literal end of the world stakes, time travel isn't the answer, avoiding a major pitfall for franchises where time travel can reliably fix things - that it completely eliminates the stakes for anyone who's friends with the time traveler since all they need to do is get a message to, say, Barry, to tell their past selves not to make that particular mistake and everything gets fixed...
I feel like it was best explained in the animated movie for the DCU (The ones animated in the artstyle of the nu52) Where Reverse Flash says what Flash did was effectively a Sound boom but for Time when he broke the "Time Barrier" to save his mom and that's what caused all the unrelated shit to happen. Not so much from his change actively causing it so much as the ripple of the broken barrier changing events around as an after effect.
honestly, I have heard that in the comics they learnt it was going to be a reboot while writing the comic, but yeah it never makes sense as to how so much is changed
The whole "time boom" thing as the above comic mentioned is an ok explaination but its not that clear still
@@rmsgreynot just the Anti-Monitor winning in the Crisis, The Flash was a founding member of the Justice League back before even Superman and Batman.
Barry was the first hero of the Silver Age, his absence would absolutely cause catastrophic issues with the timeline.
Watch Justice League Flashpoint. I mean the DCAMU movies are all worth a watch, but the Flashpoint one really has an excellent breakdown of at least it's version of things, and in-general does this entire thing waaaaaaay better. (by the way, it's the first DCAMU movie, you don't need any context.)
To minimize the risk of spoilers but still get the point across; if a plane goes past the speed of sound, what forms around it? Well, it leaves a wake of compressed air that disrupts everything it crosses, a sonic-boom that will royally fuck up anything near it, even if it doesn't directly hit it. Now, the description given in that movie doesn't quuiiiiiet allow for multiverses, but it can be extended to do so. Basically, imagine you're in a tub of water filled with completely neutrally-boyant objects. Now imagine you want to move any one of those objects somewhere else. How do you do that without disrupting any other objects? Well, you can't, moving through the water to reposition one object causes waves that move every other object. It's technically "possible" for one object to be moved somewhere else without disrupting anything, but it's functionally imposible because the waves (the "time-booms") cause other things in space-time to be moved around. Now you just apply the standard multiverse fare of "changing anything causes a branch" and you have time-booms with multiverses where changing any one event in spacetime will alter others unpredictably, but several can exist simultaneously due to branches. If you wanted to apply some comic-scientific reasoning to this you could say that time travelling that alters the universe causes disruptions in the quantum noise permeating the universe infinitely into the past and future, with bigger changes tending to cause a greater degree of variance in the quantum "randomness" leading to changes across all of time of varying scales. A sort of aechronological and aecausal butterfly effect if you will.
"Flash" was as quickly dropped from the cinemas as quickly he runs.
And I never got the chance to see it
So quickly, it hung in there for about 2 1/2 months. Mainly because of the ordered number of showings from WB, I reckon.
Then got turned into an NFT for some unholy reason...
I'd bet ya that Flash ain't the quickest one to leave theaters this year.
That would have to go to Ruby Gillman. I doubt you have heard of it.
Honestly seeing Micheal Keaton return as Batman was the highlight of the movie for me. He was the first Batman I had ever saw when I was little and he along with Jack Nicholson’s Joker are engraved into my memory. It made me want to play Batman Arkham Knight using the 1989 skin. You can see a fighting difference.
Adam west was my first batman
Same here, I thought that part of the movie was the best part. It was soo good. The Flash scenes were okay, not the best. But I did not watch it for The Flash lol
I’m with you bro.
I swear Michael Keaton just embodies being back in the Batman role. Yeah, despite how silly he looks in the cowl at his age, there was a sense of honor he gives off as he stands and walks while wearing the Batsuit; I felt like I wanted to salute him like an old veteran back in uniform half the time. Also, it's awesome seeing '89 Batman fight BvS Warehouse style. Even if it's a CGI isn't entirely perfect, I thought his fight scene showed the full potential of the Michael Keaton's Batman fighting compared to how awkward and stiff he moved at times in the Tim Burton movies. And yes, as Bruce Wayne, you really feel the duality he has with both being tired from the old hero act after many years but also getting a thrill out of being back in the game.
Overrall, I enjoyed The Flash (2023). Despite the clunky effects and mess of a screenplay, I enjoyed this movie for its creative moments with time travel, the fun action, the great performances and the genuinely emotional moments.
I missed clonners
Ok, the real-world Ezra Miller moment counter was a stroke of genius.😂
Honestly, I would've watched the film if that counter was a little lower.
It's the reason why Marvel is going crazy trying to help the reputation of Jonathan Majors right now: You can't ask people to suspend their disbelief when the hero you have on screen is the absolute worst in real life.
@@shindeanYeah, except Jonathan Majors is playing a villain, not a hero. But to be fair, audiences also don't like it when a villain is played by a real-life bad guy.
@@vulcanhumor that's why I didn't say that majors has to be completely innocent, Disney will roll with whatever hand they're given. DC on the other hand absolutely no idea other than telling people a straight up lie and to go watch this movie like endgame LOL
@@shindeanI mean, Majors seems more and more innocent with each passing day. It's nothing like what happened with Miller
@ShadowSonic2 I think Marvel has an intervention program. It's hard to have gone over a decade with very low conflicts from big actors if Disney agents weren't around to tell them: "you're about to fuck up!"
One of Keaton's best Batman moments in the '89 Batman movie was also not in the Bat suit. He just does a really great job of portraying Bruce Wayne dropping the facade and giving an intense Batman look.
Like the part where he's trying to tell Vickie the truth, I always find that scene so funny! The struggle, at first trying as Bruce Wayne, bumbling & awkward-like, then as Batman, VERY stern
I was listening to this in the background while working and when Doug said "Wait a minute, I've got all the time I want, I've got a time machine!" I busted up laughing so bad.
I would highly recommend the animated movie flashpoint paradox because it involves with time travel, the use flash villains, justice league played a huge part of the story and show barry that his actions has devastating consequences
I'm putting this on my watch list.
It’s also better because Ezra isn’t in it. 😂
One of my fave dc movies
In general, DC's animated movies are better than most of their live ones, aren't they?
100%.
Love that film and, if you watch to the end credits, you see how it birthed the New 52 Animated Universe that... sadly had a rough ending souly because they simply wanted to end it and movie on to a new (and frankly not very interesting) Animated universe.
I swear Michael Keaton just embodies being back in the Batman role. Yeah, despite how silly he looks in the cowl at his age, there was a sense of honor he gives off as he stands and walks while wearing the Batsuit; I felt like I wanted to salute him like an old veteran back in uniform half the time. Also, it's awesome seeing '89 Batman fight BvS Warehouse style. Even if it's a CGI isn't entirely perfect, I thought his fight scene showed the full potential of the Michael Keaton's Batman fighting compared to how awkward and stiff he moved at times in the Tim Burton movies. And yes, as Bruce Wayne, you really feel the duality he has with both being tired from the old hero act after many years but also getting a thrill out of being back in the game.
Overrall, I enjoyed The Flash (2023). Despite the clunky effects and mess of a screenplay, I enjoyed this movie for its creative moments with time travel, the fun action, the great performances and the genuinely emotional moments.
I can't say I love this film but I do feel just a handful of tweaks would've produced something insanely brilliant
I enjoyed this film despite it being very flawed in many places although Keaton is no doubt the best part, he shows he still got batman and Bruce Wayne down perfect.
I thought he looked fine in the suit but he did look a tad weird because of him being old now.
I've been watching Nostalgia Critic for years now, on and off, I wouldn't say I'm a dedicated fan by any means, but I'm always put in the best of moods whenever I can catch an episode
I really admire how My Adventures with Superman handled the multiverse. Instead of making this grand epic multi episode story arc it was treated as a regular episode.
It was freshing having the multiverse being a small section of another story rather then it being built up as the end or the entire story.
I was surprised to find that the League of Lois Lanes was an original idea and not some obligatory endgame multiverse thing they were adapting.
I am tempted to give you a like but 52 is just too perfect
Shame it was just used as "can we trust Superman" fuel.
I did not expect to fall in love with that show as much as I did. It’s just so wholesome
god damn that version of mys... yeah fuck that, that version of purple flying anime wukong loki is like the visual version of an earworm. I don't know why but everything they said and did just felt fucking perfect, I never wanted them to leave the screen.
Wondering why they made Michael Keaton Bruce instead of Thomas. That accounts for the age difference better, lets him play a more grizzled Batman since Thomas tends to be MUCH more... Intense, and it gives a parent's perspective to the idea of the child trying to save the parent
My guess is that Keaton wanted to pick up where he left off. He clearly made demands about looking good and strong for his return. He didn't want to play the beat down, bitter, old man Thomas.
Because idiots and nostalgia
I mean, if they ever even wanted to do Thomas at all, it should have been Jeffrey Dean Morgan from the BvS intro. He would have nailed it.
In my opinion it wouldn't really make sense in terms of the movie logic and real world logic.
Basically in world (assuming Burton movies are part of this universe) it makes no sense for the same person to be his Dad - I get it, you could say they just look similar but I dislike that.
Real world it would be confusing and strange for the hyper popular version of Batman to become his Dad when we know him as Bruce.
You really wondering? Nostalgic and $$$, thats why.
Michael Keaton will always be the number one batman in my book
Agree. Him and Kevin Conroy (RIP😔).
meh, I am potial to George Clooney, that is only due to that movie being the first one I ever saw, i think.
You.... are my number one.... guUuy
Kevin Conroy: Best voice of Batman
Michael Keaton: Best Batman of all time
@@vasvas8914now…don’t forget……your Lucky Deck 🤣
Another Fun Fact: Michael Shannon was hesitant to return as General Zod because he was "very upset" with the circumstances of Zack Snyder's exit from the franchise. He finally agreed after Snyder gave him his blessing.
That's the cringest paragraph i have read in my entire life.
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Hey! That's the official tagline for the internet!
I'm so glad VFX artists are striking because stuff like this shows how bad effects can be and why we should respect VFX artists so much more than we do
Yeah if anyone REALLY deserved to unionize and strike it was the VFX artists
Just look at how bad the She-Hulk teams got treated and mistreated
What's worse is how the main producer blamed the crappy effects on... men?
@@theanimeunderworld8338men are the scapegoats for other people's mistakes..
That's a shame to watch that.
@@theanimeunderworld8338 I'm also in favor of video game developers unionizing, based on what I heard about their working conditions alone.
...maybe if they were better at their job they'd be paid more?
@@jabber1990
Strikers: Where's my money?!
Audiences: YOU'LL GET OUR MONEY WHEN YOU FIX YOUR DAMN WORK!!
It’s nice to see a balanced view on the film, yes the effects let it down but it’s so creative and the final scene between Barry and Nora gets me every time
One scene doesn't mean the horrible film is forgiven
@@ninjanibba4259 There's other good scenes. The mom scene is just what leveled the film up to recommendation status.
@@welcometothemetaverse2523 other good scenes, that's a good one there....other good....lol
@@ninjanibba4259 Well it's to each their own. I love the time travel scene, not for the effects but for the creative and original way of how it's shown. I like Barry yelling at his younger self for taking their mom for granted, not realizing that's just how teenagers who grew up with a mom talk. Batman's fight scene in Soviet Union (I like more for the visual over the effects), Supergirl's escape (same thing), Michael Keaton looking at himself in the mirror after battle, Supergirl flying Barry up to the sky, the whole third act battle, and the scene with Barry's mom were all scenes I enjoyed.
@@welcometothemetaverse2523 good for you that you enjoy them
This might be my favorite explanation of how time travel and multiverse works and by god, Keaton is the best person to deliver it. Most Batman would be to serious to explain it but there's a level of goofiness to him that made the whole thing believable. Also an elderly Keaton Bruce Wayne jumping around the kitchen beating up Ezra Miller is just perfection
And another bit that I only noticed when seeing it again in this review. I was amused the first time when he gave younger Barry the plate of spaghetti, because they already established that younger Barry gets mad hungry when he uses his speed. But this time I noticed, older Barry is paying attention to Bruce's explanation of the multiverse, and literally the entire time, younger Barry is doing nothing but staring a hole through that plate of food, like it was the last meal on earth and he hadn't eaten in a year.
For those who aren’t in the know, several vfx studios who worked on the film came out to say “yeah some of those shots were crunched in a week” and that’s why it looks like it
According to people who saw very early screenings of the movie, apparently the cgi hadn't been touched since the early screenings.
Yeah, the real problem is the mixed bag. It's remarkable how many scenes have the two Barrys, and they even physically interact with each other so they clearly weren't just doing superimposed shots. So they pull that off and then other shots look like a PS4 demo.
Michael Keaton was so good in this movie, and I wish he was in a movie that utilized him better and didn’t have a criminal attached.
Aged batman passing the cowl! He is so good.
Maybe he would've been good in Batgirl if they hadn't FRICKEN SHELVED IT!!!!
@@bennywark3103 how bad was Batgirl, if that got shelved but this got a pass
@@Sapphire_Jack I don't know!? And while never find out. Which sucks cause I want to check it out to see if they were right.
But then again I like all superhero movies, even the bad ones, so I would probably enjoy it anyway.
@@Sapphire_Jackit wasn’t shelved because of its quality, actually! It was shelved as a tax write off 😭 so we’ll never know.
I like the concept of multiverses. Even before every new superhero movie tried to do their version of it. You just need to know what you’re doing and what kind of story you want to tell.
Take the opening of Chrono Cross for example: you’re chilling on the beach with your girlfriend, reminiscing about when you were younger and wondering how things are going to be in the future. Suddenly, you get sucked into an alternate universe where no one knows who you are, some of villagers have completely different personalities and there’s a tombstone with your name on it because, in this alternate timeline, you died 10 years earlier.
I don't think that counts. That's just a "It's a Wonderful World" movie. You need at least one more parallel timeline to call it a multiverse.
@@AusSP they do mention that are other universes, but you don’t get to explore them, sadly
Atleast with Marvel and Spiderverse doing it you know its because they are building on future characters from X Men etc and use it to incorporate previous films made before the MCU so we don't have to ignore their existence, WB giving us Flashpoint is just a way to restart DC films AGAIN and thats the real part we are getting fed up with (least I am anyway). I wanted them to fix things without making films since Man of Steel feel so meaningless, but no they are just starting from the ground up again. Yeah they can say Snyderverse is still a small part of the universe they are building but will they bring any of it into future projects? Most likely not
@@gRinchY-op5vr go watch the animated movie. It’s more likely better than this version
The point I trying to make with the OP was that I wish someone would do something more existential like Chrono Cross did. The closest thing I’ve seen was “Everything, everywhere, All At Once”. If you know of anything else with similar vibes, let me know
I feel like there's a really good time travel movie in here that's overshadowed by the multiverse stuff;
what if you met a version of yourself that didn't share your experiences.
A terrible moment that haunts you but ultimately makes you the person you are.
If this was just about Barry learning to move on from his mother's death and focus on saving his dad, I think it would have been a lot better.
It totally caught me off guard but just watching the scene where Barry's mom offered to hug him - a complete "stranger" that was suffering and I'm choking up like the first time. NC's right, that scene may not fix everything but it sure as hell made the movie worth watching.
I'm REALLY hoping Sasha Calle makes a return for James Gunn's run of movies. Her intensity made her a real standout among the cast.
Me too
...I wouldn't bet on it right now.
hell naw, she was trash, women should stay out of superhero movies with their feminazi bull
She's the only supergirl that didn't make me want to change the movie, I loved her
@thrackerzodthefandomnerd4267 naw she sucked, she's only in the movie cuz she's a girl n slept with someone, Cavil should've stayed Superman
Another Batman Fact: When Batman (Ben Affleck) is dangling off the Gotham bridge with Falcone's son (who was slowly slipping away), this is a nod (and foreshadowing) to Batman (1989) where Keaton's Batman had a similar grip to Jack Napier (Jack Nicholson). However, Napier slipped through Batman's grip in the same way which led to Napier falling into the vat of chemicals, turning him into the Joker.
Ok, I have to say one thing: I'm just glad this is still on. I don't know if anyone on this site will actually see this but if they do I just want to say thank you, your content has been consistently good for years and that's impressive.
My biggest takeaway when I saw this was how weird it was to hear Maribel Verdú speaking English (this is from someone who is a huge fan of hers from Belle Epoque, Y Tu Mamá También, Pan's Labyrinth and Blancanieves)... She's also the best thing in the movie, so I'm really happy she's here!
26:21 is pretty much how the actual ending felt. Clearly, there was no other way to end the DCEU. Just a shrug and "That's all Folks!".
For me, personally, the special effects did not ruin the cameos at the end. I still got choked up and emotional over the thought behind them (the music and voice clips also helped). The babies at the beginning, on the other hand...
I feel like some were fine like West and Retro Superman but I feel that it would've been better to do a few shots far away like seeing Reeves Superman and Kara flying in the sky.
My biggest problem with Keaton in this is that it isn't the main Burtonverse version, which I think hurts the movie. With NWH, it worked because Tobey and Andrew weren't just playing modernized variants, nor were they used as cheap nostalgia Baiting for a shameless mechanic or retcon. No, they were not only the actual Raimiverse and Webbverse versions respectfully, but they were also interwoven into the movie in organic, natural, meaningful, and satisfying way that actually served the story/plot and the characters.
With Keaton, not only is it clearly not the same version, but it also rings of hollow fan service that's just there for exactly that, hollow fan service. Not to mention it serves no true purpose to the story/plot and/or the characters other then cheap fan service and nostalgia Baiting.
Very true. I'm just glad still Keaton gave his all into the performance.
It is the same version.
It is the same version bruh . The 89 and the DCEU merged with one each other so it creates a new timeline but when Barry reverses it his universe gets remade
exactyl, not to mention that it fixes the amazing spider-man saga in a way by giving his spidey a closure and actual character development to electro
The director confirmed that Keatons Batman is the same. Nothing in this film tells me otherwise.
A Scene Fact: About 18 minutes in, Barry's boss is giving a press conference in front of a plaque recognizing the founders of the central city research facility. The names listed on that plaque include Giles Asbury and Christine Lois (who worked in the art department for the film) and Sarah Hunt who was a construction accountant for the movie.
So now we have the names to blame! SMART 😂😂
Lois? Now that's a crossover 😅
Barry changing the past again at the end worked for me because while yes he messed with the multiverse again it wasn't as big a change, (one change in the direction that a head turns VS a person who was supposed to die not dying) and it didn't radically alter his present life, it just gave his dad a shot at rebuilding his life, which I think fits in perfectly with the theme of the movie of letting past traumas go and moving forward to have a life. So he still learned something. He let go of his mom.
But he's still a human being who loves his dad. Even if it's a mistake I still buy that he'd do it.
I dunno. I'm someone who lost a parent at a young age so that may be colouring my opinion a bit. It just worked for me.
I like that explanation. Esp the type of decision made. Barry is only human and he would want to save everyone he can. Even if it's just a person raising their head
That was my thought. It wasn’t him changing events on a big scale, just making a change to draw attention to and that had little impact in the interim. The only people who it affected were Barry, Henry (and his lawyer) and Iris, perhaps Bruce, and that was within a twenty four hour period rather than having someone alive for nearly two decades who should have died.
It honestly ties nicely into everything Barry has been through, he makes the decision to save the life that he can, just like the kid in Metropolis, just like fighting Zod. He accepts what is in the past but tries to improve the future.
The movie is absolutely a mess, but it does maybe have good bones somewhere deep down.
In Fact KEATON IS NOT PLAYING THE SAME BATMAN FROM 1989:
IF "YOUNG" BARRY ALLEN IS 18 WHEN ZOD INVADES EARTH(2013)THAT MEANS THAT HE WAS BORN IN 1995 AND THAT HE WAS 8 YEARS OLD WHEN HIS MOTHER WAS KILLES IN 2003. WHEN "OLD" CURRENT BARRY CHANGES THE TIME LINE HE DID IT FROM THAT POIN ON TO THE FUTURE(THE FLASHPOINT CHANGES FOWARD NOT BACKWARDS). SO IF MICHAEL KEATON WAS ACTUVE SINCE THE LAST 80's Early 90's (lets say 1989 to 1992 as is established in the movies) BARRY SHOYLD HAVE REMEMBER THE BATMAN(from his childhood memories)
"It was a hot mess"
That sentence described that movie well.
I honestly would LOVE it if they did a Batman Beyond series. As long as they got good directors, writers etc. who are able to do a superhero/batman story well. And yeah, *definitely* have Keaton as Bruce. Like Bruce in that series, he might not be able to fill the suit anymore the way he did in the past, but you can still see the Bat when you look at him, and he can at least convey that he still has some serious fight left in him.
Part of DC's problem is that they hire directors who haven't worked the comic genre and try to force them to make a comic book movie.
@@Xerou Yeah, lots of movie companies are doing that sadly. First requirement in my opinion for working on something that's part of a franchise should be some manner of proof that the creator really does know and love the source and background, and I mean really loves IT, not just the things they think they could do to "fix" it.
@@Xerou that is WB, not DC's fault
@@broEye1Tony Gilroy isn't a fan of star wars, yet he wrote rogue one and andor. So you don't necessarily need to be a fan to make something good.
@@mttylerdurden9 True but it helps a lot. And if you have no respect for it then it tends to show.
The Flash TV show did multiverses all the time, including having an Ezra Miller cameo in the storyline that went all out with it (Crisis on Infinite Earths which managed to get cameos from almost every DC adaptation you could think of.)
It's kind of sad that despite having a near 85 year history, the only cinematic story the Flash has really had was the Flashpoint Paradox, which this is very much based on. That said, this does illustrate how a character like the Flash could find himself being corrupted. Whilst we get stories like Injustice and "A Better World" in the Justice League series which illustrate what happens when other members of the Justice League go too far and become the villains, the Flash is always seen as somewhat too good to go down a dark path, but this certainly shows that there is a line he shouldn't cross; for most heroes, it's when they use their powers selfishly or they take a life, but for the Flash, he stops being a hero when he keeps trying to change the past.
Corridor Crew have a whole video dedicated to breaking down the SFX in this film, and it's worth a watch. They point out where things work and where they don't, but also don't blame the artists who were likely on a tight timetable to get things done. Totally recoomend watching it.
yeah, they also show how the scenes with 2 Asras weren't 'shot twice', it was a digital face/head/body replacement
@@chainsov most of the shots wouldn't allow superimposition. Like when the camera rotates around them in a room, or when they are physically interacting with each other. They can't do like in the Parent Trap where the two versions of the actor have to stay on their side of the line, or when one of them conveniently has their face hidden at all times.
There's a song that Barry and his mother sing to each other with the lyrics, "La vida te da sorpresas, sorpresas te da la vida"; my own mother and I sing this song to each other nearly every time we see each other. We've never heard any piece of media, in English or Spanish, reference this song outside of when the song is played. To hear it in THIS MOVIE, this messy, ugly, *heartwarming* film, is what makes me recommend The Flash as well. It's an ugly film, but there's a heart to the mother and son scenes, the Keaton scenes, which stops it from being flat out bad. An AI didn't create this movie, humans did, and no CEO could stop a little beauty to shine through.
Hoping we get a First Viewing for this one. Rob and Doug are at their best when it comes to ripping on superhero movies
They rip on marvel movies, but clearly they have a bias for DC properties.
Because half of this video above sounded like "Well, in a, kinda, maybe, not so, itso, matterly, utterly, lil bitty, for sake of it, not....tooo....badly of a film" in it's descriptions.
and a real thoughts, haven't had one of those in forever
Erza really dashed this movie’s chances.
That and the WRITING!!
Ba dun tish
"You pushed your own luck, Flash!"
A different actor couldn't have saved this
It came to a dead stop.
that Batman Beyond movie with Keaton still shouldve happened. It would be the perfect addition to finish Burtons trilogy
27:33 I didn't get what's up with that explosion sequence . I absolutely missed something here.
Can someone explain please ?
My favorite descriptor I've heard used for this movie is "A ghoulish parade of corpses" because of all the horrific looking CGI cameos from dead celebrities.
Including 1 who ended himself because he DIDN'T want to just be associated with Superman... and this movie CGI brought him back to just associate him with Superman.
Obliviously heartless and beyond disrespectful
That definitely is disgusting, but some people don't try to hate on people who liked these moments or the movie right?
@@dylansharp8471 I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally won't fault anyone for what they enjoy, just so long as what they enjoy doesn't harm anyone else. If you wanna like this movie, that's fine. Same goes for anyone else that likes it. Personally, I think it's kinda morbid and morally bankrupt that WB rolled out a bunch of CGI fakes of long dead actors to make a quick buck. Although, the even more disgusting thing is that I've heard that one of the CGI deepfakes they used was of a still living actor that they neither consulted beforehand nor paid to use the likeness of. I think it was an actor for an old Flash TV show. Apparently he had no idea they would use his likeness in this movie until people saw his CGI double in the film and started asking him about it on social media.
And one who’s still alive.
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Im not sure what you're asking, but I think the anger people are feeling is at the studio, not fans of the movies. I hope that helps!
Don't know who did the effect of the two Barry Allens interacting with each other, but the effect is pretty amazing. Really makes it seem like Ezra Miller had a an exact lookalike or twin brother each time I saw them on screen. Reminds me of the music video for the song Tunka Tunak Tun.
He did have a double for some stuff, it seems, but yeah, the double filming is probably the major reason they didn't recast Ezra Miller after all the incidents: film had already been delayed quite a bit and there was a version of the script that sounded better in a way, iirc
Still really liked this movie. Only things I would've done differently (beyond the CGI) would be using a Flash villain for the opening scene, switch some of the more problematic cameos, and have a more self-contained ending.
There's still amazing performances, inspired directing, mostly solid writing, tons of emotional moments and creative action sequences to boot, elevating a potentially convoluted concept into a compelling watch that never looses track of Barry's journey through trauma. The tone and pacing also help make this one of the more rewatchable entries in the DCEU.
So Barry went back thousands of times but we only see 3 of them at the same time WTF.
I'm so happy this channel still exists
26:27 is one of the best Nostalgia Critic moments in recent memory 😂
The Flash had some entertaining moments but overall the tone of the movie was completely uneven Ezra Miller’s performance was eye rolling bad This movie prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they completely need to reboot the entire universe this was all of what was the problems of the entire DCU universe in one movie.
Kicker is they did reboot it with Gunns take over.....n this n blue beetle kick it off
I think the DCU doesn't need to happen at all. I loved that this movie didn't feel like it's trying to set up a million sequels and crossovers. Its it's own thing. I've only enjoyed a very small few DC movies, this one being one of them.
Its always a good day when nostalgia updates!🎉🎉🎉🎉
11:50 this is the funniest of the “shirt tug” moments IMO 😂
I feel like both the flash TV and especially the Flashpoint animated movie did way better. Having supergirl instead of superman is fine , but the part about how what Barry did changed who got the codex makes no sense to me. I also feel like this version of batman is a letdown as this is the one time where a more edgier batman whose openly uses guns makes sense. Sure, the Keaton films had a body count, but it was never as dark as the Thomas Wayne version felt.
You don't feel, they are both superior to this hollywood produced garbage. It is clear that the director hadn't read a comic book in his life, and I just hate it, because they were raving about it for months how good it was gonna be but then it was just a big fart. Ezra Miller as The Flash was always a decision made simply because they wanted a funky character like Spiderman in the DCEU, comic relief. While Barry may crack jokes he is not comic relief, he is not a 12 year old child laughing spastically.
And yeah, Batman in this universe is for some reason Bruce Wayne instead of Thomas Wayne. Again showing that the director could not care less about comics. They can go stick this movie up their asses, if Gunn continues this trend his new DCU will be dead on arrival.
I'm glad you loved the tomato soup scene at the end, it's one of my favorite scenes from any movie this year, it moved me to tears
The scene where he puts the tomatoes back had me holding back tears. I was already on board with a lot of the ideas the movie was putting out, but I didn't expect to... well, feel feelings enough to have my eyes water. What ruined this moment for me was the theater I was at, and the two in front who were loudly laughing, while making it seem like they were trying to be quiet.
The anger I felt... People almost died that day.
What ruined the scene for me was how his mom living has nothing to do with Zod winning.
@@juststatedtheobvious9633 It's the rules of time travel: It doesn't matter if two events are related, the butterfly effect will still do what it does.
@@juststatedtheobvious9633The animated Flashpoint movie - the good one - explained this as a “time boom” similar to how Barry’s speed breaking the sound barrier creates a sonic boom, both leaving destruction in their wake on different scales.
So yes, Barry saving his mom is technically a tiny thing in the grand scheme of the multiverse, but the ripples he causes in his attempt to do so means that saving her creates a war between Atlantis and Themiscyra, or that Zod is fighting Supergirl now.
It stresses the importance of accepting what’s happened and not trying to change the past because you don’t know the damage you can do.
They were probably laughing at how bad the movie was😅 Imagine getting so mad that you thought about murdering poeple over a shitty movie lol
@@JeffZ1028 Imagine not knowing what hyperbole is, and taking it seriously at face value because you're an idiot.
I'm quite literally laughing at you now, and thank you for that.
I gwt that the lasso compells you to tell the truth, but I don't think that means it compells you to just blurt out whatever the hell is most embarrassing at the moment... Not only that but Batman is supposed to be iron willed so how could his will be so easily overcome by the lasso that he literally cannot resist even slightly?...
They really should've made Micheal Keaton the Thomas Wayne version of Batman instead of just a bitter old Bruce Wayne
Incidentally, I consider the animated Flashpoint Paradox adaptation to be the best direct-to-video film ever made. We really got some good stuff out of those animated ones!
Michael Shannon had second thoughts about being in this, but only gave in because Snyder told him it was ok.
If only he had third thoughts. 😢
I personally think Micheal Keaton killed it in this movie as i know he would as Batman. I loved the actions scenes with him, I thought they were really well done. It got me pumped up, i didn't have an issue with that at all. It showed the awesomeness of Keatons Batman. I do wish i got more of him though that's for sure.
Gotta love how the credits have OK GO's song which for me is a double reference:
the song "this too shall pass" came out with an iconic clip of a real Domino Effect, and the whole point of Flashpoint Paradox IS the *domino effect* of timey-wimey stuff.
And the main lyric of the song is "let it go, this too shall pass", which is a good message for the movie.... but a REALLY snarky way to say "THE SNYDERVERSE IS DEAD, LET IT GO!"
As my mom unexpectedly and sadly passed away a few months before "The Flash" released, when I watched that scene where Barry takes back the tomatoes and talks with his mother in the cinema, it broke me...
It's a shame that this film was meddled with so heavily and had the misfortune of being released at the end of the DCEU collapse.
Still, I liked this movie quite a bit, even though it definetely could have been way better.
Seeing Michael Keaton as Batman once more was awesome though.
The not so grand finale to the DCEU.(until Aqua man 2)
IT'S NOT OVER YET!!!!
1 more film left
There is still Aquaman 2.
No Aqua-man 2 is gonna be the final one
Let’s be honest that’s gonna flop as well since dc won’t fire actual criminals.
I bet this review is gonna sing this movies praises.
It had 3 batmen in it and as we all know, Batman = awesome.
Somebody needs to do a Flash movie with Grant Gustin as the lead.
He is the one, the only, the true Flash
what about john Wesley shipp flash
Hell no
@@josephryman3799 I mean he was ok in the old show, but I feel like he’s now the perfect Jay Garrick. Mannerisms and all, dude really nails it
@@a7000zoYeah I don't want that
Just watch the flash point episodes and It would be like watching a better version of this movie. Lol
Honestly, the best part for me, was with the two versions of Barry fighting Zod, perfectly mirrored that one iconic, comic panel motif from when Future Flash went back in time to fight modern Flash. But, instead this time, they’re working alongside one another. I seriously want to give major props to the writing and story board teams for really doing there homework and knowing just what canonical scenes to evoke to really hit my nostalgia with a semi-truck’s worth of callbacks, references and Easter eggs. It’s just to bad the movie was practically DOA, due to the unmitigated controversy surrounding its lead as well as its overall production, in general.
After watching this film, I have one thought: They cancelled Batgirl, but kept this?
Multiverse talk is so done to death, even Big Brother did a Multiverse season.
Eh I'm cool with it as long as it's done right
I gotta say it was amazing to see Nicolas Cage get to play Superman
Can't say that about this movie but you can say that about Teen Titans GO! to the movies😅
It's not real, he wasn't there
At least Nicolas Cage finally got to be Superman.
For second time he did voice him in Teen Titans Go Movie
13:57 I choose to believe that since the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher movies share the same Commissioner Gordon, Jim Gordon went back in time and changed universes
They also share the same Alfred (played by Michael Gough)
While I don't think it was an "incredible" movie, I did enjoy seeing it. It's not perfect by any means and the young version of Berry was annoying but overall I think it was an ok movie.
This film just makes me want to rewatch Batman 1989 again and remember what was so amazing about it
As one person once said
Flashpoint cared about story. The Flash cared about nostalgia.
This is the most accurate thing for a animated movie released to dvd vs a 300 million dollar budget.
A balanced review with a some great jokes scattered within, and one of the most Monty Python-esque finishes to a Critic Review I can recall.
I cried the first time I saw the scene Barry saw his mother one last time. Reminded so much of my mom, who passed a few years ago. I still miss her so very much.
my main gripe with The Flash is that it is an amazing Batman&SuperGirl movie that got mugged in an alley way by 2 barry allens and then someone came along, gutted the corpse, and used it to make a flash move.
That intro was hilarious! Y'all's writing is seriously underrated !
13:58 there is actually a deleted scene where young Barry is discussing with older Barry about how bruce knows so much about time travel and he says "it's almost like he's tired it before"
I think they might be hinting that he may have tried to go back in time to save his parents and failed. 🤔
28:07
Ok, not gonna lie, I was expecting a bigger blast.
*NOSTALGIA-WEEN NEXT WEEK!*
For me personally, I just get this feeling of being tired by this movie. It has nothing to do with superhero fatigue (this train will NEVER die for me!) or being tired of multiverse movies.
I’m just sick of the slow motion, mismanaged, troubled production, catch-up, redirecting, miscast, recast, nuclear train wreck that is the DCEU.
20:28 shouldn't that count as an akward ezra miler real lifa reference?
I personally think that, if you took elements of this movie,original Flashpoint comic, AND flashpoint paradox film, CW's Flash, and his Geoff Johns' Flash Rebirth story, you could have the solid Barry Allen Origin Story (or culmination of his 1st big character arc).
Have the flashpoint elements pan out almost as exactly as happened in comics, but then, you take cue of this film's "Dark Flash", with Barry (and Thawne) seeing future versions of them getting stuck in a perpetual feud of who gets to impose their vision of the timeline, for all eternity.
Thawne, being the obsessive psychopath that he is, would consider this "his dream come true".
Barry's mom, somhow getting to see this, and encouraging Barry to move on. That, she would gladly accept her death, if that means Barry gets to live his own life and be happy
Even including Flashpoint Paradox's use of the phrase: "accept what cannot be changed, the courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know the one from the other"
THus, This leads to Barry letting Thawne "win the battle but not the war", and accept his mom's death at Thawne's hands, but changing just enough stuff, learning to see what can be changed and what can't be not (and getting his dad's freedom). And for Thawne, to stop obssesing about molding Barry's past (given Barry's new outlook in life), and now changing modus operandi, and focusing more on shaping up his future and present.
Maybe give or take Have Nora allen somehow revive in the present for a future story, unbeknowst to Barry at the moment.
Ezra Miller the Terroriser of Vermont and Hawaii.
That Batman scene was awesome 😢 shame Micheal keaton was stuck in this movie 🎬 would have paid for a separate one
It's not the Batman Burtonverse.
It's explained in the movie that time travel basically mixes stuff up.
It's the Snyderverse, but also the Burtonverse.
Also, Bruce still fought 2-face and stuff and got a Robin. Then like 20 years pass and Batman isn't really needed
I might be the only person in the world that thought that this was one of the best superhero movies made so far. It’s not Endgame, or No Way Home, but it was fantastic. I wish they would have stuck with the original ending with all the heroes showing up at the courthouse, and Keaton being Thomas Wayne. That would have been sweet.