A Unifying Theory of Spindle Design - a box making exersise
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- Learning to be 'artistic' in your spindle turning, especially if you're a newbie, can be frustrating. In this episode we experiment with a theory to see if we can crack the secret to quality spindle designs. The exercise to prove the theory involves making lots of end grain ring boxes so included are tips and techniques for turning boxes.
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I’ve only been turning for about 3 month now, and having devoured a lot of TH-cam, I have to say that the way Shawn presents his videos has accelerated my learning. He is first and foremost a teacher, but one who is obviously skilled in his craft, despite his self deprecating comments. Thank you Shawn for teaching, and exiting us, and encouraging us to explore this further.
Hmmm. Typo. Sorry. Should obviously have been ‘exciting’ us... 😂
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Very cool. It's nice to see so many different pieces in one video.
Great video. Two things I especially like about it. Firstly, the technical tips. It would have taken me quite some time and more than a few boxes in the bin to discover these for myself. But for me the most impressive part of the video is that you are trying to define beauty. This is no easy task and many through the centuries have tried and failed. Maybe it's undefniable. However, it's great to listen to someone who is thinking beyond the technical level and exploring areas that you don't normally get on wood turning videos. Educational in all senses. Thanks.
I've watched this video a couple times over the last six months or so. Its just a solid instructional. I've really been enjoying turning boxes lately. Looking forward to trying out some design changes. Thanks for the videos!
Thanks, and remember... it's all about experimenting.
Great discipline, really enjoyed your thoughts on design, thanks Shawn
Really like your videos and teaching style. Can't wait for more.
+Erik Snell Thanks Erik
Enjoyed your video a lot. It is obvious from your teaching style that you have taught a lot of students. I do a bit of woodturning instruction and woodturning tutorial videos so always interested in others approach to teaching.
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You are a great teacher and I love your explanations! I'm going to watch all your videos.
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Ive learn a ton watching your videos. Thank you
Lots of good thoughts and techniques. I have a big ole maple mallet that might make a better box than mallet. Thanks for taking the time to share with us.
This video has been in my watch later for a while. I am a beginner turner and I have gravitated to spinning tops when I don't have a plan. I try to always make something different - design wise. When I started with some beginner lidded boxes, I was able to use my top experience to help me in my finial/finger pull area. This was a great video to watch...i always get something new when I watch your stuff.
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Great and informative video, like always. You do such a good job explaining. I'm very glad you decided to teach others!
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Love your vids man .don’t stop
Good Job and instruction, Thanks and thumbs up.
Absolutely great video. Thank you for taking the time to demonstrate and explain these elements for us newbies......
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I enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing.
Sir, you are a great teacher!
thank you so much for this, very enjoyable discussions and demos, and I learned a lot. cheers.
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Had to comment on finding beauty:
In Richard Raffan’s book, he discusses and gives examples of finding beautiful curves throughout nature. If followed, this advice causes us to notice many other things - and that’s always cool.
Thanks for that, I enjoyed it. I particularly like your explanation of design because you talk for people to understand you, not like some of the arty farty set, who seem to say a lot, but have actually said nothing . I hope you know what I mean because I don't know how else to explain it. Also, I hope you remembered to save a mallet for the next time you need one. You can't do much carving or chopping with a ring box, whatever design it is! Looking forward to your next episode. Thankyou.
Love watching your videos as a beginner am sure more advanced also benefit . As much as I love the little ring boxes I would be looking to buy the mallets . Love them !
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thank you for taking the time to teach us 'would be with a bit more practice' turners 😁🇬🇧😁
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Enjoyed a bunch and learned a bit. Appreciate your work making the video!
+bob bollard Thanks, I'll do better next time so you'll learn more.
well, I haven't watched but 5 min so far. Nicely done.
+bob bollard I have a dry sense of humor & you two are funny as hell.
I believe in the "KISFIM" Theory of teaching..."Keep It Simple, Make It Fun" that's what I like about your video's. Keep up the Great work!
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I just attending a Jimmy Clewes weekend training and he mentioned that as well. Fun class and I really enjoy yours and his work!
He's a good teacher. If only I got all those British jokes....
Oddly satisfying. Theory aside, very nice work even in production mode. I enjoy spindle more than bowls and this is an exercise I need to try. Nicely done once again.
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After having watched this a couple of months ago, I re-watched this today. In the interim, I have been doing a significant amount of turning and experimenting with design. My opinion: while the 2/3, 1/3 rule (roughly golden section) does provide a good fundamental for design, there are other elements at play that can provide pleasing results for designs that fall outside of that rule of thumb. It's been a number of years, but I think it is time for me to re-visit David Pye's "Nature and Esthetics of Design". It was very helpful to me in providing general ideas when designing furniture, I think it will provide some good ideas for turning as well. It is more of a philosophical discussion of design, both function and esthetics. One comment from Garth Grave's "The Woodworker's Guide to Furniture Design" seems applicable to what you learned in this experiment: "There is nothing magic about the ratios or rules -- they are guidelines"
I like your videos, I want to, and plan on getting a lathe and learning....and while I"m not the grammar police.... exercise. :-)
Hello, Thank you for sharing such an interesting video. I agree with the 3rd one 3rd theory it's been proven for hundreds of years.
As for your ring box designs, Personally I like the 2/3 finials as they could be used to hold more rings later in the relationship. I'd also include 2 small captive rings on some of the finials.
The lid of the box could have a hole in it, the bottom of the ring box and the final could be one piece so the finial goes through the lid! This would keep the ring from rattling about as much and the ring couldn't fall out when the lid is taken off!
But after saying all that, I can't see any of your box's ugly to the eye and therefore sellable all day long.
Brilliant video once again.
Cheers
Andy
That's one 3rd two 3rds.... not as I wrote sorry.
That's a good idea, pierced all the way thru.
Lol, that's what I tried to say sorry.
Now you just need to turn some rings to go with the boxes as demonstrators ;)
That was a fun to watch video. Interesting about the spindle gouge for Hallowing out. I was just about to decide there was little difference in bowl or spendle gouges. Still not sure what the difference it makes which one you use where.
It has to do with the approach angles of the cutting edges and how the chip breaks. The deeper flutes and typical grinds affect the cut differently. I do believe calling one a bowl and one a spindle is misleading. But you do need (err... highly adviseable) to have both.
I found your video very interesting and informative!Thumbs up and subbed.cheers, Bram.
+Brams shed Thanks Bram
That was very interesting. I liked all the boxes. working within consraints is a good way to explore design possibilities while limiting the number of parameters. Finding designs that "work" is the payoff for any creative endeavor. One observation about your ring boxes - If their main purpose is to hold a ring, I would avoid orb-shaped bases that might tip and roll easily.
Thanks. All the bases I make are concave so they sit flat. But it I make em to small they do get tippy.
Hey Shawn, as soon as I can I'm gonna git me one of them "Skew Gouge's" I saw at 11min 30sec! Sorry, I couldn't resist! ;-) Wakodahatchee Chris
BRILLLIANT !!! THANX
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Really great video, thank you. How did they sell? I would think ones you don't like someone will like. As you've said before I can see those being impulse items because they are small. And having the variety, when people look in on them, one will catch their eye, a one of a kind they can't bear to walk away from in case someone else buys it!
They never made it to market. Smaller jewelry artist bought em all up. I've got material set aside to make a lot more. Just need time.
That sounds even better! Although, I'd feel bereft of not seeing the costumers faces when they bought them. But at least they all went!
How cool it would be to have a base to sit these little boxes on that would make them Tops of Caste Towers . Towers could be boxes also . So you would have a Build your own little Castle boxes.
Hi Shawn (spelling?) Check out Stuart Batty if you haven't already. He teaches a solid, easy to understand, fundamentals of turning. I grew up in England (now in Canada) and was taught the way he turns. However, I picked up the more North American way and have gone back to his style which is simply much less physical work and is quicker. Really enjoy your vids mate.
Skew gouge? haven't heard of that tool
Pah theories are just that and change over time....its all about taste, preferences and fashion. I actually lliked them all :-) I bet you were amazing teacher and found lots of ways to potentialize your students. Apart from IT did you double up and teach arts and crafts?
Nope. Just web coding and Graphics.
Where did you get your large skew?
Rick Evans, you can get one from Alan Lacer’s web site. He also has a video to show you how to sharpen the sucker.
Enjoyed the video.... One question; why take away so much wood? I have been a chef for over 40 years, and waste is a big no no! I am relatively new to woodturning, and all the waste is driving me crazy! Is it completely necessary?
Ask yourself what labor costs. You're a chef, I'm sure you have to take into account labor costs. Sometimes the money you save conserving material isn't justified by the labor it costs to save it. Now in this particular project I'm really not sure what you're talking about on wasted material because the stuff you remove is just shavings or too small to even make a pen with. Guess you could burn it.... Normally I just donate it to the biomass used to thermally aide in the decomposition of trash at the dump.
Let me put it to you another way. There are more trees in North America now than there have been since the ice age. And a huge spike in tree population has occured since we killed of the mass herds that used to roam this countries planes. So... help nature, use up trees.
“nincompoop” ?
I think not
How would I find any/all of your discussions on turning green wood ? Is your collection of videos searchable by topic? (i’m a bit limited in my knowledge of youtube)
I’ll be donating
Thanks - Patrick
Generally if you put “wortheffort” and your search terms you’ll get my videos on that subject.
Do you have a book?
I'm working on some but it's much harder than it sounds so might be a while.
wortheffort oh ok cool thanks, you should make a video about your book when it comes out just to let people know about it
Peanut Gallery Report: in general, I don't like the "long thin handle" look; i think the others generally looked better; I connected with my inner-Pooh and declared the "honey pot" one my favorite; in each case where you thought the boxes were too close to 50/50, I think all of them would've been "salvaged" my merely shortening the handle. In at least one case, you wouldn't have been able to repeat design elements, but, otherwise would've "fixed" the situation. All of them are nice, and suspect all of them sold already. If the honey-pot didn't sell, my address is..... (whistling innocently)
I'm sure you can make your own honey pot now.
Really like your videos - but always seems like you're shouting. How about a radio mike?
It was 6 months of saving and a donation from family over the holidays to buy this rig. I know it ain't great but it's all I can afford right now.
this video was a year old
I'm still only 14 mins in lol - thats a fast reply! I understand the issue - AV kit is as expensive as woodturning bits. Was just (hopefully) a constructive comment. Your videos are always well thought out and well edited. Nicer sound would just add polish.
I'm editing my next video now. This one from a year ago was likely shot on my iPhone as my old camera crapped out over a year ago. I got a DSLR with mic now but people are still complain about AV quality from a very amatuer videographer. I do thank you for the contribution yesterday.
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Shawn, I hope I'm not being a royal ball buster but .... @ ~29:19min you're cutting "Coves" and "Beads". By the way, I have my own theory regarding the (generally accepted) 1/3 - 2/3 rule and that is simply this... You can turn an object that is geometrically proportional to 1/3 - 2/3 or turn an object that the human eye only perceives as being 1/3 - 2/3. Cindy is truly the queen of finials but I think she should lighten up on the whole proportional geometry theorem. I like to think of turning as 3 distinct disciplines. Functional Utilitarian, Functional Craft and simply Art for Art's sake. I get a chuckle when it comes to schools of art because I don't believe you can teach art. It's something your born with. A school may help you bring out your talent but it can't teach it. No more than a music teacher can teach someone to sing. Wakodahatchee Chris
Man, I know where you are coming from. "Art" ?????????????????????
Too much talking , just do it knock off all the BS.
Might I suggest you search Diresta for content more your liking.