I think the creepiest thing about this is that most characters who have this sort of a dark backstory sound remorseful when they talk about it. Not Atton. Atton almost sounds nostalgic talking about it.
He probably is but the stupidity of the jedi council is enough that he does not feel inclined to show it or it to surface End of the day if he didnt help revan many other people did and someone would take his place and the jedi asked for it with their ignorance and bad decisions which indirectly killed so many So even when you mellow up and say wow killing people isnt the right thing its evil and unfair. We live in an unfair world and imbalanced choices lead to unfair consequences they merited their own downfall when determining the fates over so many with stupidity
That's because he enjoyed it. The combination of ingrained human sadism, vindictiveness against the ppl who let him die, of pride at managing to hurt and kill those who once seemed unbeatable. He took pleasure in it. A great deal.
"Killing them wasn't the best thing; making them fall, making them see our side of it, that was the best." For all of their opposition between each other, Atton is more like Kreia than you'd know. They prefer to prove a point rather than end lives.
I think they're implying that she killed them with the Mass Shadow Generator at Malachor V, rather than personally. The Exile sentenced many Jedi to death, but didn't swing a blade to kill them. The Exile fought in the Mandalorian Wars, but not the Jedi Civil War.
He is right about that, in some ways their ability to use the force helps them see more then others and in some ways it can leave them more blind then others to certain things.
@@lordofcreativity9637 She never refered to his skill, but about his incapability to determine what he wanted to do and being the most deject of the whole party. "He has nothing to offer to you, and even a fool like himself is not unaware of that". Kreia is a mirror that only calls people for what they themselves feel they are, and Atton certainly feels like the biggest idiot in the galaxy.
@@buntado6 An interesting assessment, but I would reply that in that case his biggest obstacle is his interpretation of himself. If Kreia is a mirror who reflects what one thinks of themselves, then that person still defines the image that appears in that mirror and how much power the reflection has over them. One's inner demons can hobble them when nothing else does, but once one manages to overcome those demons then they will be able to move forward. Atton like the main character and other crew members seems to be haunted by the ghosts of his past. Seeing these characters face and overcome their demons in this game and the first one are part of what I think makes the experience all the more real and meaningful. Ultimately one cannot change the past and ones past will always be a part of them, but the past does not necessarily have to define their future unless they allow it to do so. I have played and games before with characters who are weighed down by things like this and while it may sound cliché, it seems to me that helping and seeing them overcome their doubts, demons, and ghosts is a truly satisfying experience. I apologize for this, it seems I am feeling philosophical. These games seem to be rather good at bringing out that part of me.
@MayBunny37 Crosshair was the most interesting character outside Cad Bane in season 1. They really need to stop pretending Echo isn’t in the show for season 2 side note.
Not as complex, but here two years later & the first episode of the Acolyte has has Mae attack some random bad citizens during her fight with a jedi master to distract them & get her kill - & then a few episodes later we got sith guy slaughter like, 8 or so jedi, including a padawan, snapped a dudes neck, & did a double decapitation on two of them jedi, while using his corrosion helmet & vambrace to headbutt or just backhand the saber blades to "smash" them essentially & it's awesome
If this game had 3 years to get finished the same as the first one. I could actually see this one beating the first one for best Star Wars game of all time.
lol. i have been doing that ever since the restored content mod came out. cheesing the AI like that is a necessity in this game unfortunately. if you hide behind the bar in nar shaddaa as atton the twin sisters can't get you either.
whilst i love kotor 1 and kotor 2, the amount of things kotor 2 turns on its head is insane, and how dark it gets is almost disturbing if kotor 2 was more like kotor 1, atton would be your basic scoundrel whose backstory would have been "i was tricked into following darth revan during the jedi civil war, i killed many people including a few jedi, and i regret it deeply" instead of this conversation where it almost sounds like his bragging about how good he was at twisting jedi to the darkside and killing those that were to pure to turn
What's worse is that Atton's team, Sith Troopers, and officers with signs of force sensitivity were going to be put in the same way. Atton learns the Jedi woman he torturing was telling the truth. He ended her suffering and defected from the Sith before he be tortured and converted to the dark side.
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 I always wanted the option to call him out on that when he said that she sacrificed her life for him when in reality, she went there to warn him, he captured and tortured her and inevitably killed her, and then had the gall to say that she sacrificed her life for him.
Absolutely 100% this. KOTOR 1 was fun, but KOTOR 2's the one I keep replaying because damn if the characters weren't fantastic. It wasn't afraid to delve into some incredibly messed up themes and it permeates virtually every world you visit. When I'd get frustrated by Kreia... as a kid, it was because she kept telling me I shouldn't be nice and I hated that, but now it's about the game not giving me complex enough responses to hit back at the concepts she throws at me, because she's often not wrong. And jesus, the big reveal about why your companions are following you... I feel like actually making Atton this fucked up (the fact that he IS guilty about he did and wants to distance himself from that life, but mostly he's guilty about the last Jedi he killed/how personal it was/the fact that a complete stranger wasted their life on a nobody like him, and he still very much resents the Jedi and likes the idea of them suffering - he didn't flee because he thought his cause was wrong, he fled because he was a coward) really deepens the fact that the game presents him as a character who can be redeemed, as well as someone who you can rightfully refuse to forgive or who can fall straight back into those depths. For that hypothetical simplified Atton you laid out, redemption would be a binary choice; either he'd feel bad about everything he did and he's a good guy, or he wouldn't feel bad about it and he'd be a bad guy. Here, it's really not. And knowing Atton's depravity makes it a lot more interesting when he warns the PC about falling to the dark side, especially considering he's the character that's the most persistent about it. It's not sanctimonious at all... the guy is speaking from experience.
I'll never understand the MSRB rating on this game. I've played AO games that were lighter than this. Straight-up horror game when I first got it as a youngin.
Its interesting because in the EU Jacen Solo and Ben Skywalker were able to hide their force signatures from other Force Sensitives that even Luke couldn't sense them as a Grand Master, but the power in the books as far as I remember never explained how that ability was achieved, but I like to think Atton's explanation about throwing up walls as a means to stop Jedi intrusion is a good explanation of how. However he isn't right technically that Jedi just pick up on surface thoughts often when others are in conflict they can sense the emotional barriers they put up, which its almost like you have to believe in the projection you are putting out to make it work.
Even Darth Sidious, Darth Plagues, Darth Maul, and every other sith member of the rule of 2 did the same when they were among the Jedi, during their infiltration of the republic. After the empire was born, even Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda did the same In the EU. That's why it took Vader and Sidious 19 Years to find them. So the Jedi must have been aware of the technique.
In canon, hiding one's Force signature is also possible. It seems to involve not using the Force for prolonged periods, suppressing their presence in the Force, but not enough to sever the connection to it. Sidious does it. Obi-Wan does it. Yoda does it. Pretty much every surviving Jedi in new canon seems able to do it, though some are better at it than others.
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 The Lost Jedi you train in KOTOR 2 are the foundation of the Jedi Order you see in the prequels. All of their talents would be taught to the generations that would come after. Everything you learn about Atton, Mical, Brianna, Mira, Visass, and Bao-Dur is what would mold the Jedi for the next 3,840ish years until eventually they lose their way during the New Sith Wars and the creation of Darth Bane's Rule of Two.
I just noticed something... When you crash land on Telos' surface and meet Bao-Dur, Atton will remark that this "reminds him of his last time on Telos". Could that be foreshadowing for the fact that he served Revan in the Jedi Civil War, and as a result would have been at Telos when it was bombarded?
I wanna see the transition from Madalorian Wars to the Jedi Civil War from the view point of Revan's following. Start with when Revan first rose to prominence and end when he gets captured. It would be a very interesting time.
Me at the beginning of the game: "Ha. I like this guy. A scoundrel with a heart of gold. Just the kind of snarky wit I need here." Also me after having this exchange: "Uh....I think you should stay on the ship.....forever.....and not talk to me."
It made me like him more. Character with a dark streak are nice. Plus, Atton gets how to fight against Jedi; something few people do. Also, he does become a lot less psycho sounding when you learn why he left.
Revan most likely learned these techniques as a Jedi fighting the Mandalorians. How better to know what can kill you than nearly being killed in several different ways, or seeing your enemy using such effective methods on your allies?
The way Atton talks about making Jedi fall, the way he savors the words as he says them is honestly quite disturbing. Still a man I'm happy to have at my side, but he most definitely has a dark side to him. Almost sadistic.
Because he was sadistic. He didn't just kill Jedi - he HUNTED them, preyed on them and TORTURED them to the point that he wanted to see these Jedi turn to the Dark Side before he killed them. It wasn't out of duty or necessity - it was out of pure self-justification and self-pleasure. He enjoyed doing it. and that's why he's so terrified of telling the Exile the truth, because it's one thing to make justifications for everything you do but it's another to wake up one day and realize how far you have fallen. It is a quiet thing to fall - but far more terrible is to admit it.
You can hear in some of the lines that are higher quality that the "S" sounds don't have that same lisp sound. Most likely the "lisp" lines are done with a lower quality mic, or the sound files lost quality in compression or some junk
I think the creepiest thing about this is that most characters who have this sort of a dark backstory sound remorseful when they talk about it. Not Atton. Atton almost sounds nostalgic talking about it.
He probably is but the stupidity of the jedi council is enough that he does not feel inclined to show it or it to surface
End of the day if he didnt help revan many other people did and someone would take his place and the jedi asked for it with their ignorance and bad decisions which indirectly killed so many
So even when you mellow up and say wow killing people isnt the right thing its evil and unfair. We live in an unfair world and imbalanced choices lead to unfair consequences they merited their own downfall when determining the fates over so many with stupidity
About as nostalgic as I felt when he mentioned Saul Karath!
@@WillieManga True. Saul Karath was the reason Revan and Malak's Sith Empire were getting the upper hand against the Republic and Jedi.
That's because he enjoyed it. The combination of ingrained human sadism, vindictiveness against the ppl who let him die, of pride at managing to hurt and kill those who once seemed unbeatable. He took pleasure in it. A great deal.
To me it sounds like he is getting it off his chest, but as you said, not in a remorseful way.
"Killing them wasn't the best thing; making them fall, making them see our side of it, that was the best." For all of their opposition between each other, Atton is more like Kreia than you'd know. They prefer to prove a point rather than end lives.
Ah yes. My bud Atton. I feel like we mostly bonded over our mutual distrust of Kreia during my very first playthrough. Pure Pazaak my friend.
And yet he has at least one similarity to Kreia; they gain more satisfaction in proving a point.
What a good subversion of a scoundrel with a heart of gold trope.
His cruel streak is quite understandable and I quite love his character
This sounds alot like what HK-47 was saying about killing jedi.
Yep, he used a lot of the techniques that HK-47 described, now I wanna imagine a competition between Atton and HK-47 for who could kill the most Jedi.
They are in no comparison with the Exile, as both admit that she killed much more Jedi
I think they're implying that she killed them with the Mass Shadow Generator at Malachor V, rather than personally. The Exile sentenced many Jedi to death, but didn't swing a blade to kill them. The Exile fought in the Mandalorian Wars, but not the Jedi Civil War.
They both even mentioned the blasters... which is funny given my Precise Shot runs.
Of course. All of Revan's assassins were following the playbook he developed.
and Kreia said Atton was a fool.
As he said, most Jedi awareness doesn't go beyond surface level.
He is right about that, in some ways their ability to use the force helps them see more then others and in some ways it can leave them more blind then others to certain things.
@@lordofcreativity9637 She never refered to his skill, but about his incapability to determine what he wanted to do and being the most deject of the whole party. "He has nothing to offer to you, and even a fool like himself is not unaware of that". Kreia is a mirror that only calls people for what they themselves feel they are, and Atton certainly feels like the biggest idiot in the galaxy.
@@buntado6 An interesting assessment, but I would reply that in that case his biggest obstacle is his interpretation of himself. If Kreia is a mirror who reflects what one thinks of themselves, then that person still defines the image that appears in that mirror and how much power the reflection has over them. One's inner demons can hobble them when nothing else does, but once one manages to overcome those demons then they will be able to move forward. Atton like the main character and other crew members seems to be haunted by the ghosts of his past. Seeing these characters face and overcome their demons in this game and the first one are part of what I think makes the experience all the more real and meaningful.
Ultimately one cannot change the past and ones past will always be a part of them, but the past does not necessarily have to define their future unless they allow it to do so. I have played and games before with characters who are weighed down by things like this and while it may sound cliché, it seems to me that helping and seeing them overcome their doubts, demons, and ghosts is a truly satisfying experience. I apologize for this, it seems I am feeling philosophical. These games seem to be rather good at bringing out that part of me.
This is were the apprentice surpasses the master
Disney will never give us something this dark and complex
This is subverting our expectations in story telling @ RJ
It's a shame because I honestly think this is what they were trying to do in The Last Jedi and it didn't quite work.
@MayBunny37 Crosshair was the most interesting character outside Cad Bane in season 1. They really need to stop pretending Echo isn’t in the show for season 2 side note.
Not as complex, but here two years later & the first episode of the Acolyte has has Mae attack some random bad citizens during her fight with a jedi master to distract them & get her kill - & then a few episodes later we got sith guy slaughter like, 8 or so jedi, including a padawan, snapped a dudes neck, & did a double decapitation on two of them jedi, while using his corrosion helmet & vambrace to headbutt or just backhand the saber blades to "smash" them essentially & it's awesome
Damn I really love hearing Kotor characters talk with the atmospheric ost in the background.
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I love how you can hear some other word being replaced with "revan". Not just one - three times.
Apparently, the RCM does this so to circumvent the limited "he/she" parts of Revan's chosen gender in the dialogue.
If this game had 3 years to get finished the same as the first one. I could actually see this one beating the first one for best Star Wars game of all time.
Lmfao, I totally beat scion as atton by placing 15-20 mines around a corner.
lol. i have been doing that ever since the restored content mod came out. cheesing the AI like that is a necessity in this game unfortunately. if you hide behind the bar in nar shaddaa as atton the twin sisters can't get you either.
whilst i love kotor 1 and kotor 2, the amount of things kotor 2 turns on its head is insane, and how dark it gets is almost disturbing
if kotor 2 was more like kotor 1, atton would be your basic scoundrel whose backstory would have been "i was tricked into following darth revan during the jedi civil war, i killed many people including a few jedi, and i regret it deeply" instead of this conversation where it almost sounds like his bragging about how good he was at twisting jedi to the darkside and killing those that were to pure to turn
What's worse is that Atton's team, Sith Troopers, and officers with signs of force sensitivity were going to be put in the same way. Atton learns the Jedi woman he torturing was telling the truth. He ended her suffering and defected from the Sith before he be tortured and converted to the dark side.
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 I always wanted the option to call him out on that when he said that she sacrificed her life for him when in reality, she went there to warn him, he captured and tortured her and inevitably killed her, and then had the gall to say that she sacrificed her life for him.
Absolutely 100% this. KOTOR 1 was fun, but KOTOR 2's the one I keep replaying because damn if the characters weren't fantastic. It wasn't afraid to delve into some incredibly messed up themes and it permeates virtually every world you visit. When I'd get frustrated by Kreia... as a kid, it was because she kept telling me I shouldn't be nice and I hated that, but now it's about the game not giving me complex enough responses to hit back at the concepts she throws at me, because she's often not wrong. And jesus, the big reveal about why your companions are following you...
I feel like actually making Atton this fucked up (the fact that he IS guilty about he did and wants to distance himself from that life, but mostly he's guilty about the last Jedi he killed/how personal it was/the fact that a complete stranger wasted their life on a nobody like him, and he still very much resents the Jedi and likes the idea of them suffering - he didn't flee because he thought his cause was wrong, he fled because he was a coward) really deepens the fact that the game presents him as a character who can be redeemed, as well as someone who you can rightfully refuse to forgive or who can fall straight back into those depths. For that hypothetical simplified Atton you laid out, redemption would be a binary choice; either he'd feel bad about everything he did and he's a good guy, or he wouldn't feel bad about it and he'd be a bad guy. Here, it's really not.
And knowing Atton's depravity makes it a lot more interesting when he warns the PC about falling to the dark side, especially considering he's the character that's the most persistent about it. It's not sanctimonious at all... the guy is speaking from experience.
I'll never understand the MSRB rating on this game. I've played AO games that were lighter than this. Straight-up horror game when I first got it as a youngin.
And then this guy becomes a Jedi himself....
That's the ultimate irony, I think even he noted it!
I R O N I C
my favorite star wars video game scoundrel
Its interesting because in the EU Jacen Solo and Ben Skywalker were able to hide their force signatures from other Force Sensitives that even Luke couldn't sense them as a Grand Master, but the power in the books as far as I remember never explained how that ability was achieved, but I like to think Atton's explanation about throwing up walls as a means to stop Jedi intrusion is a good explanation of how. However he isn't right technically that Jedi just pick up on surface thoughts often when others are in conflict they can sense the emotional barriers they put up, which its almost like you have to believe in the projection you are putting out to make it work.
And he was really good at it.
Even Darth Sidious, Darth Plagues, Darth Maul, and every other sith member of the rule of 2 did the same when they were among the Jedi, during their infiltration of the republic. After the empire was born, even Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda did the same In the EU. That's why it took Vader and Sidious 19 Years to find them. So the Jedi must have been aware of the technique.
In canon, hiding one's Force signature is also possible. It seems to involve not using the Force for prolonged periods, suppressing their presence in the Force, but not enough to sever the connection to it. Sidious does it. Obi-Wan does it. Yoda does it. Pretty much every surviving Jedi in new canon seems able to do it, though some are better at it than others.
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 The Lost Jedi you train in KOTOR 2 are the foundation of the Jedi Order you see in the prequels. All of their talents would be taught to the generations that would come after. Everything you learn about Atton, Mical, Brianna, Mira, Visass, and Bao-Dur is what would mold the Jedi for the next 3,840ish years until eventually they lose their way during the New Sith Wars and the creation of Darth Bane's Rule of Two.
I just noticed something...
When you crash land on Telos' surface and meet Bao-Dur, Atton will remark that this "reminds him of his last time on Telos". Could that be foreshadowing for the fact that he served Revan in the Jedi Civil War, and as a result would have been at Telos when it was bombarded?
Doubtful. He's mostly joking.
Atton: "This reminds me of my last time on Telos."
Bao Dur: "Crash a ship that time too?"
Atton: "Nope, pazaak."
I wanna see the transition from Madalorian Wars to the Jedi Civil War from the view point of Revan's following. Start with when Revan first rose to prominence and end when he gets captured. It would be a very interesting time.
Atton seemed to enjoy his past
Gawd damn that was evil!!! I haven’t played the game yet but now I’m hooked onto these TH-cam clips of various scenes.
Disney please take notes 📝
Me at the beginning of the game: "Ha. I like this guy. A scoundrel with a heart of gold. Just the kind of snarky wit I need here."
Also me after having this exchange: "Uh....I think you should stay on the ship.....forever.....and not talk to me."
Why though? He makes for a neat Jedi Sentinel.
Maybe because what he said was just a TAD psychopathic
Lol
We all have a somewhat deep past. He was very brave to tell the truth. The most bitter truth is better than the sweetest lie dude.
I felt the same way, he went from cool side character to unstable psycopath in 5 seconds
It made me like him more. Character with a dark streak are nice. Plus, Atton gets how to fight against Jedi; something few people do. Also, he does become a lot less psycho sounding when you learn why he left.
I see atton got some tips from hk47
More like both of them got tips from Revan.
Revan most likely learned these techniques as a Jedi fighting the Mandalorians. How better to know what can kill you than nearly being killed in several different ways, or seeing your enemy using such effective methods on your allies?
Seems Atton had A LOT to hide.
Hey i have to ask, did you set up this soundtrack on purpose ? I mean the darker/deeper atton gets with his past the music adjust
Yes. I record the dialogue but I lay all the music down myself.
@@PapitoQinn sir you're an artist
@@jakubberel9125 Thanks!
Damn, you did a great job man. Good editor, good ear
The way Atton talks about making Jedi fall, the way he savors the words as he says them is honestly quite disturbing. Still a man I'm happy to have at my side, but he most definitely has a dark side to him. Almost sadistic.
Because he was sadistic. He didn't just kill Jedi - he HUNTED them, preyed on them and TORTURED them to the point that he wanted to see these Jedi turn to the Dark Side before he killed them. It wasn't out of duty or necessity - it was out of pure self-justification and self-pleasure. He enjoyed doing it.
and that's why he's so terrified of telling the Exile the truth, because it's one thing to make justifications for everything you do but it's another to wake up one day and realize how far you have fallen. It is a quiet thing to fall - but far more terrible is to admit it.
Is it me or does Atton have a lisp?
You can hear in some of the lines that are higher quality that the "S" sounds don't have that same lisp sound.
Most likely the "lisp" lines are done with a lower quality mic, or the sound files lost quality in compression or some junk