“Forces of the Imperium” Budget Upgrade Guide - Warhammer 40K | Command Zone 493 | Magic Commander

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  • @paizleyramsey1776
    @paizleyramsey1776 ปีที่แล้ว +290

    I'd just like to add, for all MTG folks who might be interested, The Horus Heresy book series is an excellent story arc and a great place to start reading up on 40k lore

    • @JordanPridgen
      @JordanPridgen ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Agreed! The first three books are riveting. I also like to recommend the Eisenhorn series

    • @DrakeF.
      @DrakeF. ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks, was asking myself. Maybe something for x-mas holidays to read.

    • @ryanc9754
      @ryanc9754 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@JordanPridgen or the gaunts ghosts novels, those are also amazing

    • @JordanPridgen
      @JordanPridgen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ryanc9754 I haven't read those yet but they are on my list!

    • @Unrealbr
      @Unrealbr ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JordanPridgen Eisenhorn, Ravenor, Becquin trilogy of trilogies are awesome.

  • @Grimlock2183
    @Grimlock2183 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    A note with Nadir Kraken, Ashnod’s altar lets you draw your entire deck.

  • @Ohzark
    @Ohzark ปีที่แล้ว +72

    From playing with the deck I can say thunder hawk gunship is one of the best cards in the deck

    • @thetrueroman
      @thetrueroman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same for me, the card is an all star!

    • @slumdutchmillionare
      @slumdutchmillionare ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. You can crew it when cast and do some serious damage.

    • @EliyaSelhub
      @EliyaSelhub ปีที่แล้ว +4

      a colorless grave titan that gives all your creatures evasion, what's not to like?

    • @RequiesAeternaGaming
      @RequiesAeternaGaming ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@slumdutchmillionare But it doesn't have haste?

    • @slumdutchmillionare
      @slumdutchmillionare ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RequiesAeternaGaming You can crew with summoning sickness.

  • @Hygros
    @Hygros ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Cards to add:
    Legion loyalty
    Blade of selves
    Felidar retreat
    Jadar, Ghoulcaller of Nephalia
    Oketra's Monument
    Nadir kraken
    Grim hireling
    Thorough Investigation
    Court of grace
    Legion's landing
    Honorable mentions:
    Adeline, Resplendent Cathar
    Battle angels of Tyr
    Cards to take out:
    Neyam Shai Murad
    Exterminatus
    Grey knight paragon
    Redemptor Dreadnought
    Reaver titan
    Sister Hospitaller
    Deploy to the front
    Triumph of Saint Katherine
    For the Emperor!
    Knight Paladin

  • @Umagaar
    @Umagaar ปีที่แล้ว +31

    A cheap card I really like for Marneus Calgar is "Hard Evidence". It's a spell with two separate instances of Token Creation for a single blue mana (make a 0/3 crab and investigate).
    With Marneus out, this will draw you 2 cards, leave you a blocker and a clue to crack for a 3rd card.

    • @BushBumperBaker
      @BushBumperBaker ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean, sure, but it's a sorcery that only happens once, then you have no spell recursion. Just seems like a wasted space imo.

    • @Umagaar
      @Umagaar ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@BushBumperBaker that’s a strange way to evaluate a card. It is draw 2 cards for 1 U with a body and for 2 more for a third card. Additionally, it works great with anointed possession, which is a card that you would probably find In a lot of lists, though it doesn’t give you more cards (if you don’t count the extra clue). The only better rate is ancestral recall and that’s banned. You always need some card draw in your deck you don’t need to recur them. With that logic I assume you think preordain and ponder are bad cards too if you can’t recur them.
      But luckily you decide what cards you put in your deck not me or anyone else, that’s the beauty of this game. So all in all this is just a suggestion of a card some might have missed

    • @apachee7511
      @apachee7511 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does it count as two separate token creations ? Or are the two tokens created at the same time as the spell resolves ? Hence it will be only drawing one card. I just bought the deck and was thinking about this card.

    • @Umagaar
      @Umagaar ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@apachee7511 Yes it counts as two different token creations. This is because Create a 0/3 crab token and Investigate is identified as two separate action verbs, and as per the comprehensive rules (608.2c) they happen sequentially and not simultaneously.
      Another cool example of this ruling is also with one of the 40K commanders namely Imotekh the Stormlord and Wretched Confluence. On Wretched Confluence you can chose the same mode multiple times, so if you pick "Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand" 3 times and pick 3 different artifact creatures in your graveyard. Each artifact creature will leave your graveyard sequentially and not simultaneously, meaning you will make 2 Necron Warriors for each creature netting you a total of 3 creatures in hand and 6 2/2 Necrons on the board.

    • @apachee7511
      @apachee7511 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the clear explaination !

  • @piecho99
    @piecho99 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think councel of the four is a good include of this deck. If you cast two spells on your turn, draw 2 cards. If your opponent drew 2 cards, draw a card. If your opponent cast 2 spells draw a card. If your opponent did both, draw 3 cards.

    • @johntolentino8827
      @johntolentino8827 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you get a 2/2 when they cast twice

  • @WerrWaaa
    @WerrWaaa ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Thorough Investigation's dungeon is clearly the Blackstone Fortress.

  • @JonPayne777
    @JonPayne777 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Came here from Warhammer! I’m mostly a painter and big fan of Squidmar as well, Miniwargamining is a great channel to check out to see how the miniatures game is played!

  • @ImWintercat
    @ImWintercat ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Irenicus's Vile Duplication is also really great here. You copy your commander to draw 2 then double all token draws

  • @Doombot2point0
    @Doombot2point0 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Odric, Lunarch Marshall wouldn't be a bad include either since Marneus has Double Strike. Giving double strike to all your creatures seems pretty good to me!

    • @blxckmxge5055
      @blxckmxge5055 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That sounds like a really fun way to swing out I'm gonna try this out!

  • @Thunderkeg
    @Thunderkeg ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Squidmar is definitely one of my favorite mini painting content creators! Great to see the shout out

  • @thesparkman6890
    @thesparkman6890 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Slaughter the Strong" could be another decent removal spell for the deck. You don't even have to worry about sacrificing either of your commanders since their power is four or less.

  • @nguyenluong2727
    @nguyenluong2727 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd say add in shorikai. Even though Marneus Calgar draw is strong, shorikai can even bring it further. Draw 2 discard 1 and make a token which trigger Calgar meaning you drawing 3 and discard 1, making a token with all just 1 mana is damn good. Second card is Inspiring Leader. It give your commander the effect "creature tokens you control get +2/+2", which make your 2/2 vigilance into a 4/4. And that is a threat on it's own on a creature. Next one is Jon Irenicus, Shattered One. His effect is beginning of your end step, you give your opponent a creature you control and that creature is goaded for the rest of the game, and it can't be sacrificed. Whenever a creature you don't control but own, you draw a card. Since you created those tokens through your own effects, they count as a creature you own, so you getting more card draws from your creatures attacking which is stupidly funny to me.

  • @olivierdebilde4292
    @olivierdebilde4292 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Awesome videosn as usual. The vehicles are going to be so good in Greasefang ! The little rat pilot got such a huge boost from 40K decks !
    If I may add a little comment : I always feel that your upgrade guides lack a little of "How the deck wins" section after the "How does it plays" one. It would be nice to list shortly what the wincons are (by naming the cards or explaining the scenarii, maybe) It also puts a focus on the most important point of deckbuilding for newbies. Just my 2 cents.
    Love your channel.

  • @dawsengoodfellow9891
    @dawsengoodfellow9891 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I’ve been liking the deck straight out of the box! I feel like the first cut for me is The Flesh is Weak, since it’s a bit of a nonbo with all the 1/1s we want to make. It’s nice when I play it, but then I draw into all my token creators and they basically become dead cards because The Flesh is Weak is out :/

  • @21Kikoshi
    @21Kikoshi ปีที่แล้ว +8

    its funny how two cards they removed literally won the game for the imperium player on their games knight episode.

    • @isaacvalenzuela588
      @isaacvalenzuela588 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which ones

    • @21Kikoshi
      @21Kikoshi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@isaacvalenzuela588 the remove Indestructible board wipe and token maker for each creature on the battlefield

    • @Saccdaddy
      @Saccdaddy ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with removing Exterminatus, I'm going to use Farewell instead as it's a much better board wipe.

  • @shineofficial7343
    @shineofficial7343 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    See i stuck with inquisitor and i did the JLK classic and made it a tap/untap deck. Works wonderfully!

    • @JordanPridgen
      @JordanPridgen ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely an option! Everything having +1 power and vigilance is a powerful effect

    • @SporeTres
      @SporeTres ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also in a vacuum, Marneus might be better, but very often you cripple an enemy by tapping their KEY creature helping you to gain alliances. :P

    • @slumdutchmillionare
      @slumdutchmillionare ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree! I’m in the minority here, but I find that vigilance, +1 attack and clue tokens to be more powerful. Vigilance is crucial with the vehicle crewing and blocking

    • @slumdutchmillionare
      @slumdutchmillionare ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlawlessP401 That’s pretty impressive with a precon. I don’t really plan on changing mine up, it almost feels like a crime to do so.

    • @mjminino
      @mjminino 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have a decklist my friend?

  • @bodokapahnke8184
    @bodokapahnke8184 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    In my opinion the Council of Four is a solid Token-Generator that fits flavorful into the Deck without disturbing the Warhammer-Style and go more into the go wide strategy :-)

  • @spacefreak5064
    @spacefreak5064 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Removing Exterminatus?!
    Heresy!
    The Inquisitor has been informed. Exterminatus extremis is authorized on your plane.
    May the emperor have mercy on your souls.
    The emperor protects!

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว

      Remove it for cyclonic rift

  • @dorsalfin22
    @dorsalfin22 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I actually really like Greyfax. Been wanting to make a clues/investigate deck. Going to go with the same cuts suggested here but instead add in cards like "Rise and Shine", "Cyberdrive Awakener", "Cranial Plating", and "Tezzeret, Betrayer of Flesh". A fun go wide strategy and turning my clues into win cons and fighting alongside the Astartes seems very fun

    • @whitestuffgbh
      @whitestuffgbh ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely need to add Tivit, seller of secrets. He makes so many clues…

    • @dorsalfin22
      @dorsalfin22 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whitestuffgbh absolutely!

    • @NappTimee
      @NappTimee ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you happen to have a decklist of what you're trying to make. Would love to replicate it.

    • @NellShamrell
      @NellShamrell 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad to know I'm not the only one who really likes Greyfax as a commander!

  • @benburrell450
    @benburrell450 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A card that I use in my Isshin deck to grant vigilance to all of my creatures is Concerted Effort. It also shares protection, meaning that with vexilus praetor, you can give all of your creatures pro-everything as long as your commander is out when concerted effort checks for keywords

  • @cxsanchez28
    @cxsanchez28 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    After several plays of this deck, I've won twice with "For the emperor" with both adept astartes and soldier tokens.

  • @pathora4484
    @pathora4484 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe I missed them saying something about it but a fairly budget inclusion to the deck especially for Marneus Calgar as the commander is Cathars' Crusade for 3WW enchantment that anytime a creature enters your battlefield under your control put a +1/+1 counter on every creature you control. So in a go wide token strategy in white your board of 1/1s and 2/2 tokens become giant 5/5s and 6/6s and only continue to grow. Sitting around 6-7 dollars for every one of the 5 different printings of the card it is a definite must include in this or any white token deck.

    • @JordanPridgen
      @JordanPridgen ปีที่แล้ว

      If I could have had one more honorable mention cathar's crusade would have been it

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The most budget inclusion is basalt monolith and rings of brighthearth for infinite mana/astartes for less than 7 dollars.

  • @thatos
    @thatos ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the precon seems much stronger vs the others as inquisitor, as vigilance is very powerful in a more combat heavy format, which the precon decks all are. as soon as you change it or play with non-40k decks, that value drops off because deck styles change quite a bit

  • @dawnstriker9937
    @dawnstriker9937 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've honestly found Inquisitor Greyfax to be rather powerful as the lead. My playgroup tends to pay less attention to it by comparison to Marneus, as the direct card draw he provides draws out removal like he's holding two lightning rods. Greyfax dives under the radar a lot more, and I find most people forget she is pumping your board until they make a bad attack or you kill them. Plus I find Greyfax lets me play a lot more aggressively, as blockers that might slow me down otherwise aren't an issue.

  • @MareczqZglos
    @MareczqZglos ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think Reaven Titan is super FUN card to play... sure its not GREAT , but its not that bad - and even if You once active yours Commnader ability, you have tokens to Crew It !!!:) I would not swap it out - its like ICON of POWER for the 40K :D

    • @athleteboy27
      @athleteboy27 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Am I right in thinking this card equipped with blade of selves is huge damage? When it’s crewed of course

  • @hellehundt1
    @hellehundt1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can probably be fairly combotastic with Mr. Tokens. Mostly Ashnod's altar with either annointed procession, illusionist bracers, training grounds. Basically either making the 6 mana token generating ability cheaper or make it produce more dudes, then turn all those dudes into mana to activate the ability again. Neat commander.

    • @frogdude142
      @frogdude142 ปีที่แล้ว

      can draw your whole deck out in one turn and win too with ashnods altar and nadir with your commander out

  • @MrJustintreat
    @MrJustintreat ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The corpse god. Fun fact they feed him 1000 psychic souls a day to keep him alive

  • @ChiacchieriARTStrong
    @ChiacchieriARTStrong 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That space marine devastator is so sick. I can't describe how pumped I am for these decks to come out. I played 40k forever, have a devastator squad in my army. So pumped

  • @PhyrexianPraetor
    @PhyrexianPraetor ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That titan is definitely going in my shorikai deck

    • @HEYabbot
      @HEYabbot ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am planning on pulling the vehicles out of all 4 decks and doing a mashup with Kamigawa Neon Dynasty.

  • @ingolf82
    @ingolf82 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you want to lower that activated ability. 6 mana is a ton to pay, so heartstone is pretty good and so is training grounds. if you have both out, it only costs 3 to activate his ability. heartstone is dirt cheap under 1 € here in Europe for the retro brown version and 2.5 € for the foil silver version. training grounds on the other hand is a very expensive card, 20 or so € :)

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why lower it when 6 is fine since you can easily infinite mana anyways. If anything just dump in a bunch of infinite mana combos like ashnold altar.

  • @ethanholmes6306
    @ethanholmes6306 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    People be sleeping on Inquisitor Greyfax.

  • @CosNewsQuanko
    @CosNewsQuanko ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job with the 40k lore, can be really hard to abbreviate it like that.

  • @tnas_
    @tnas_ ปีที่แล้ว

    Cunning Evasion its just great in this deck specially with the Squad creatures, you attack with all of them, if the opponent blocks the original one you bounce to your hand and cast it again.
    Not to mention the other ETB creatures in the deck.

  • @Ninetails113
    @Ninetails113 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    FOR THE EMPEROR!

  • @mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299
    @mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like Greyfax, Marneus is awesome but you got a target on your back before you even begin the game. Sticking to the lore as much as possible I am going with a Soldier tribal theme with a little stax for procrastination/red tape of Imperial bureaucracy LOL, Long live the Imperial Guard! There is so many good soldiers out there to pick from. Greyfax giving my troops vigilance allows the usage of classic silly old soldiers like Catapult master/squad, Crossbow infantry to attack and be ready to ping (perhaps with deathtouch) with their ''Lasguns/cannon'', anthem soldiers, etc... :P

    • @mjminino
      @mjminino 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You ever put together a decklist you'd be willing to share?

  • @nicka.9057
    @nicka.9057 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sister Hospitaler + Angel if Glory's Rise + sac outlet = infinite health

  • @andrewxavier01
    @andrewxavier01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let’s Go! I love these and they become a great part of my day. Tyranids next pls!

  • @falsehero2001
    @falsehero2001 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Neyam Shai Murad is from Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress. The only other thing about her that I know is that her right leg is a sword.

  • @JonReid01
    @JonReid01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    JIMMY IS BACK

  • @falsehero2001
    @falsehero2001 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know 40K lore is Byzantine to explain, but wow was that a tortured explanation of the Imperium of Mankind.

  • @ChrisMcGiggity
    @ChrisMcGiggity ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm surprised bitterblossom wasnt in the honorable mentions. Seems pretty good in this deck

    • @reddinc.438
      @reddinc.438 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If I had to guess, it's because it's not on theme, and it's pretty expensive

    • @nicka.9057
      @nicka.9057 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very expensive. It also only makes 1 token on your upkeep.

  • @sammyg6469
    @sammyg6469 ปีที่แล้ว

    Darien king of kjeldor looks good for this, yes you take damage but you create soldier tokens for each you took and with Calgar on the field you draw for each

  • @legionnaire5947
    @legionnaire5947 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If anyone wants to read a 1-off novel set in the 40K universe to “dip their toes” I love to recommend “Brothers of the Snake” or “Titanicus”. Both of these are also on Audible 👌 Enjoy!

  • @garrettsmith4034
    @garrettsmith4034 ปีที่แล้ว

    Soooo hyped to get these decks at some point. I just scooped up the foil versions of the emperium vehicles for a mono blue JaceShipsToPhyrexia super friend/vehicle deck. My mono blue deck is finally down to only needing in foil full art Phyrexian or infinity islands and FoN for complete foiling. Let's goooooo

  • @icreateimage7908
    @icreateimage7908 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did not mention Reliquary Tower or Thought vessel?
    I feel like those would have to be auto-includes on this deck.

  • @Maletizer
    @Maletizer ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'd love to upgrade my 40k Commander deck on a budget but they're sold out everywhere 😢

    • @joxerxd8417
      @joxerxd8417 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got lucky-ish. I was wanting Nercons at first, but was able to pick up Imperium slightly cheaper.

    • @joxerxd8417
      @joxerxd8417 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish you luck on your search. Maybe the store might restock.

    • @fdrehug7318
      @fdrehug7318 ปีที่แล้ว

      My lgs will ship, they are out of necrons but have like 4 copies of each other one.

    • @joxerxd8417
      @joxerxd8417 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fdrehug7318same here. They had about 6 Imperium, 4 Tyranids, and 6 Chaos faction, but no Necron.

    • @fdrehug7318
      @fdrehug7318 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joxerxd8417 yeah, I got lucky and pre-ordered one of each so I ended up with one of each

  • @myk702
    @myk702 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This deck is not codex compliant. Russ would be proud.

  • @alexpowell4741
    @alexpowell4741 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Reaver and Knight in Kotori deck would be sweet.

  • @Cheslucky
    @Cheslucky ปีที่แล้ว +3

    how is it possible that they do not link a decklist in the description?

    • @mjminino
      @mjminino 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because if they did you'd go straight to the description and wouldn't watch the video which is what makes them money.

  • @oninaicarganivid6023
    @oninaicarganivid6023 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd like to add Shorikai too. Tokens and card draw and can be a big body if needed too

  • @spg225
    @spg225 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want to edit it but i just love the flavor and i dont want to cut warhammer cards T_T

  • @LegalPhantom
    @LegalPhantom หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Are there any dungeons in 40k??"
    Who wants to tell them about space hulks?

  • @EnergiZeScuba
    @EnergiZeScuba ปีที่แล้ว

    50:50 tokens go into grave, but THEN they disappear :D

  • @ajh22895
    @ajh22895 ปีที่แล้ว

    One from the Brother's War that will be interesting is Soundwave. Gets a creature token and gets value when your tokens do damage.

  • @khathecleric
    @khathecleric ปีที่แล้ว

    Silas Renn/Tymna make great commanders for the deck just by putting Greyfax into the deck and swapping out one of your lower quality cards. If you swap out something else for General's Enforcer, you make ALL your legendary humans indestructible AND hate graveyards AND make more Guardsmen!

  • @themalignbeing2443
    @themalignbeing2443 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One card that could be amazing with this deck would be a token doubler or even a tripler like Ojer taq deepest foundation

  • @jacobje00
    @jacobje00 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    32:18 does that mean that when all creatures have myriad, and you also attack with Marneus, you're going to draw cards equal to three times the amount of creatures you have attacking? Or how does that work with the stack?

  • @Bob-nc5hz
    @Bob-nc5hz ปีที่แล้ว

    One thing I've been wondering, which I have not seen the crew mention: why use interpolated value rather than average (per-card) value? Because the interpolation, at least given how it's explained, will be significantly impacted by how pushed a given deck's new card(s) would be, or how staple-ey it becomes in the future, or whether it becomes a regular reprint.
    Is it because you think these decks owing to their smaller reprint pool have a much higher density of valuable reprints compared to normal decks? (aka WotC didn't feel like they could put too much chaff when they have 1/3rd or 1/4th the number of reprints of usual precons)

  • @_0_0___
    @_0_0___ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    About the reaver titan, what if you support it with the commander from neon dynasty that also generates pilot creature tokens that are 1/1s but can crew for 2 and the com' itself is basically a crysis/titan battlesuit so it's pretty fitting

  • @weirdmusicmixmaster
    @weirdmusicmixmaster ปีที่แล้ว

    My adds where more about making the marines live up to their reputation like true conviction, battle mastery, sword of vengeance etc

  • @bunyslayer
    @bunyslayer ปีที่แล้ว

    CADIA STANDS! FOR THE EMPEROR!

  • @OverAnalytical7
    @OverAnalytical7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually don't think that reprint value of $53.66 is all that bad because, from a bang-for-your-buck perspective, the value of reprints alone would be more than, or about the same as, the price of the deck, depending on where you purchase it from. On Amazon and at my local store, that would be ~$55.

  • @kyuubifox33
    @kyuubifox33 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn’t everyone scream “Oh no!”when deploy to the front showed up in the 40k episode? Lol

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว

      Literally the best card in the whole deck. Instant win condition there.

  • @bridge2853
    @bridge2853 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only nonheretical answer for your commander is Marneus. Grayfax has no authority over him. He does have authority over her

  • @unforseenconsequense
    @unforseenconsequense ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Once all the budget upgrades are done, play them against each other again? It would be great?

  • @goatsfluff
    @goatsfluff ปีที่แล้ว

    On thought for the deck interpolation method Truc uses; wouldn't it be a good idea to also include the type and median of reprint values for each year or set and not just the mean (what many people refer to as average)?
    As many have pointed out in the past, in many different matters; the mean is affected by outliers. When talking about, say, people's salaries in a country, wouldn't using the type be a lot more, y'know, representative? And for the absolute middle, median is, by definition, the way to go.
    Another factor, which has also been pointed out before, probably also by the Command Zone folks, is that the total reprint value being low for the 40k decks is to be expected; there are fewer reprinted cards.
    Always appreciate the insight! Just figured I'd share a few thoughts of my own :) Not that they're particularly original or anything.

  • @mexftplaya
    @mexftplaya ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Surprised Smothering tithe wasn't a honorable mention

    • @nicka.9057
      @nicka.9057 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a budget upgrade guide. This card is 23$.
      It's a ridiculously good staple that you should put in thr deck if you have it, but it's not "budget".

    • @magellan6439
      @magellan6439 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I feel like they tried to stick something close to the budget. And nobody needs to be told to run smothering tithe

  • @michaelwarner3700
    @michaelwarner3700 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On Fenris the space wolves fight kraken so it fits!

  • @soweroblackheart8890
    @soweroblackheart8890 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yaa!!! ben waiting for this one.

  • @Braedon023
    @Braedon023 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anointed procession, get it

  • @lucaromualdo8580
    @lucaromualdo8580 ปีที่แล้ว

    36:55 THIS IS HERESI

  • @Oopsall
    @Oopsall ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How was ultramarines honor guardnot mentioned as a most powerful card? I've won so many games with it already

  • @thestanimal6076
    @thestanimal6076 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Look I'm gonna need someone to make a space marine cat beast token

  • @muhammadmikhaelbinmohdniza2177
    @muhammadmikhaelbinmohdniza2177 ปีที่แล้ว

    That upgrade look nice ..... If I can find the preconstruction deck for cheap.........

  • @17dllight86
    @17dllight86 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    YES SIRRRRRRR

  • @MrAlfredSaxon
    @MrAlfredSaxon ปีที่แล้ว

    Although I love the work you guys did with this, I don't see much that needs to be improved with this deck

  • @Ghostpanzer
    @Ghostpanzer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Deploy to the front , go ham with that broken card that makes all your 1/1 tokens 4/4 ( forgot the name )

  • @grampaw5605
    @grampaw5605 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bennie Bracks is a good fit in this deck.

  • @JohnnySeptum
    @JohnnySeptum ปีที่แล้ว

    Deploy to the front will be getting moved to my pheldagriff deck

  • @Grakmaw
    @Grakmaw ปีที่แล้ว

    They should have made a Commander called Gunther, the intercontinental champion! For this commander pre con

  • @Lohrenz01
    @Lohrenz01 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I feel like the interpolated deck prices kinda miss the fact that the unique art and new rare cards are gonna shoot these decks up in price.

    • @JordanPridgen
      @JordanPridgen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We addressed that that's a possibility. We just can't estimate any sort of numbers off of that. Had to work with what we had!

    • @magellan6439
      @magellan6439 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JordanPridgen wonderful budget upgrade my friend love your adds

  • @guineapig1016
    @guineapig1016 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got this deck to bolster my Aminatou deck

  • @chrisfalconbury6862
    @chrisfalconbury6862 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect timing just picked this up today!

  • @PapaD93
    @PapaD93 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why doesn’t anyone build Greyfax. She’s a fun and interesting card. Marneus is a bland card.

    • @LouisKing995
      @LouisKing995 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think she’s better as the token lord to be honest. Marneus is most powerful as a combo commander which you aren’t going to simply “upgrade” this deck to, that’s a complete redesign. He’s also 5 mana so again, If you are sticking with the go-wide strategy is a little slow as the commander.

    • @JediMB
      @JediMB ปีที่แล้ว

      I had a great time playing with Greyfax on release day, so while I intend to keep all the WH40k decks intact (making this budget upgrade video solely entertainment for me), I do plan to build something new around her thicc/etched bonus card.

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว

      She's better as a card inside the deck. Grants vigilance and a +1 buff but only after you summon everything. Also she can't tap cause no haste. I think that's the main issue. If she had haste, there's so many combos you could do in 1 turn

    • @PapaD93
      @PapaD93 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@madhatten00 well I personally don’t really care about turn 1 combos lol. I don’t care about Cedh

    • @Lachaud11
      @Lachaud11 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PapaD93 "Combos in 1 turn" is not "turn 1 combos."
      He means that Greyfax can die to removal without having a chance to investigate. Why this doesn't apply to Marneus (aside from the fact that he's a goddamn ultramarine) idk. It seems to me 6 mana for token production is a LOT. unless you trainings grounds or something... you'll be using that ability after the board wipes when you have less cards in hand.

  • @Ghostpanzer
    @Ghostpanzer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The squad effect , is that ONLY for when you’re summoning it ? Or can you cast squad whenever the card is in play?

  • @aflyingstarly5535
    @aflyingstarly5535 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to upgrade or play with this deck…however everywhere is sold out because they didn’t print enough. I guess wizards doesn’t want my money. :(

  • @slumdutchmillionare
    @slumdutchmillionare ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Only need one card: anointed procession

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว

      Only need 2 cards: basalt monolith, ring of bright hearth
      Infinite astartes.

    • @slumdutchmillionare
      @slumdutchmillionare ปีที่แล้ว

      @@madhatten00 Wouldn’t you draw yourself out?

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@slumdutchmillionare oh yeah guess you need temporal cascade and to float 2 blue then

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or you pay the bank [20 dolllars] and get sensei defining top and then just keep mill play it.

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@slumdutchmillionare also the point is to combo for the infinite mana first then play the chapter commander ability. You don't use his ability until later. Then you can keep drawing and repeating sensei divining top I guess so you never deck out.

  • @EliyaSelhub
    @EliyaSelhub ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hot take: Marneus is a design mistake and he will be the next Korvold/Chulane. He enables countless combos and generates way too much value, and blue/white means there are lots of ways to protect him. A tuned Marneus deck can win as soon as he hits the table. I don't play cEDH but it looks like the community is already brewing with him.

    • @madhatten00
      @madhatten00 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's too good especially if you run some kind of infinite mana blue engine. At just 6 with no color cost, it's bam OK I have infinite astartes. You die. Now.

  • @Scratch4u2
    @Scratch4u2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn't adding thought vessel be very good since you will be drawing so many cards

  • @willvmurdaugh
    @willvmurdaugh ปีที่แล้ว

    So many pre-cons, so little time for pre-con upgrades.

  • @sethkillian7315
    @sethkillian7315 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do the unfinity deck

  • @tervermer8092
    @tervermer8092 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wouldn't Marneus + Blade of Selves = draw 4 cards?
    OG Marneus see 3 tokens for 1 card.
    3 token Marneus' see each other for 3 cards.

    • @JordanPridgen
      @JordanPridgen ปีที่แล้ว

      You only make 2 token marneuses in a 4 player game! It would draw 4 in a 5 player game though

    • @joeferreti9442
      @joeferreti9442 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      2 tokens, because you can't attack yourself, unless you play with more than 4 players ;)

    • @tervermer8092
      @tervermer8092 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JordanPridgen Ahh yep, blinded by my own greed I forgot that the first creature still has to attack lol. Thx!

    • @nicholasfrancois5706
      @nicholasfrancois5706 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      His trigger is "one or more" so you'll only draw one card because all three copies are made in same instance.

    • @tervermer8092
      @tervermer8092 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nicholasfrancois5706 Right, 3 Marnues' see tokens enter the battlefield. while each token only triggers once.

  • @ctcaster4639
    @ctcaster4639 ปีที่แล้ว

    Monologue tax!

  • @dylan9624
    @dylan9624 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would Myrel be a good add for this ?

  • @j_arrows5898
    @j_arrows5898 ปีที่แล้ว

    Teach me the way

  • @chaosbuster1275
    @chaosbuster1275 ปีที่แล้ว

    Marneus looks like such a fun commander, if it weren’t a card that I knew was going to get blown up every turn. This feels like a commander that’s going to become the next Chulanne or Korvold.

    • @blxckmxge5055
      @blxckmxge5055 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly not as bad as the swarmlord which seems to get popped anytime lol

  • @astro31246
    @astro31246 ปีที่แล้ว

    You'll draw 6 with double strike hey?

  • @sixsevenfour
    @sixsevenfour ปีที่แล้ว

    Flicker would enable ETB, but not the Squad ability since the card/spell is not being cast, correct?

    • @stevo8908
      @stevo8908 ปีที่แล้ว

      Use equalibrium to bounce a squad creature back to your hand

  • @nharviala
    @nharviala ปีที่แล้ว

    Remember the good old days when they could fit the entire product into one, maybe two podcasts, and then do alternate topics? With most of the internet making up their minds on release of new cards, having this many set reviews/upgrades in a row really makes the interesting content a diamond in the rough at this point...