“Buckle Up” Budget Upgrade Guide - Neon Dynasty | Command Zone 448 | Magic: The Gathering EDH
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Show Notes:
Get ready to crew some mechs and accrue some wins, because it's time for the budget upgrade guide for the "Buckle Up" Azorius Vehicles preconstructed deck from Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty. Strap in as we show you the 10 cards to add and 10 cards to remove (for under $30) in order to give your deck a smooth ride to victory!
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Cards in:
Austere Command
Perplexing Test
Cosima, God of the Voyage//The Omenkeel
Mobile Garrison
Deadeye Quartermaster
Wonder
Rebbec, Architect of Ascension
Intruder Alarm
Unwinding Clock
Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset
Honorable Mentions:
Daring Thief
Minamo, School at Water’s Edge
Hidden Strings
Cards Out:
Jace, Architect of Thought
Kappa Cannoneer
Myrsmith
Riddlesmith
Cataclysmic Gearhulk
Access Denied
Universal Surveillance
Arcanist’s Owl
Armed and Armored
Hanna, Ship’s Navigator
#1 comment for sure.
Thank you so much!
My dude/dudette
Add Halo Fountain and/or Triskaidekaphile for the win. Works great with Intruder Alarm.
we need you for every video man
Bring this guy back more often. His way of elaborating on his card choices is very informative.
I like this guy, His opinions and play style match my group. I do appreciate when someone has an opnion that feels outside of the typical "Command zone" Feel. Not saying I dont appreciate command zone ( I really do.) and I do listen to command zone and what they have to say. But Its refreshing to hear someone who speaks similar to my play group
I'm very excited for anyone who's like asking my friends to play more casually less abusive of fast mana or 1 card commander combos (2 cards like Thoracle don't bother me) or board tribal in a superfriends deck.
More casual games that have like multi card combos instead of the typical good stuff 2 card combos etc are so much better imo lol problem is some people just start wanting to win more rather then play for the experience and then they start teching better and better and it gets so boring watching the same optimized play pattern , this guest co host seems a lot more casual.
I just wish he were more careful about reading the card text. He missed some very important things on some of the cards that would completely change the way they play.
I like him too. He did make a few mistakes while reading the cards, though I don’t blame him. The thing that annoyed me was the editors seemed to miss these mistakes and/or failed to flash in a correction text box, which would have been fine. Tbh, who cares right? But if you’re just listening and not watching, you are getting incorrect info. Js
@@seymour47 what did he get wrong? I’m a new player so I don’t know what to look for
I always love watching Josh when someone else is providing the details about a card and he's looking up and away and nodding his head along as the other person describes it.
Hidden Strings is my favourite card. Such a sleeper common and most people have never seen it before
"sleeper common"
Perfectly put
Kotori and shorokai should have been partner commanders
That'll just be too o.p lol
I'd try it in my playgroup as a house rule
@@soulassassin0g I personally doubt it, vehicles are a very small niche. It would take it up a few notches though.
@@thessjbacca5177 that all depends on the build tho. Some go for token ramp, others go for draw advantage and some like to fill the graveyard. Shorokai himself is just a good card overall whether he's in the 99 or the commander, in any W/U deck build, meanwhile Kotori is strictly for vehicles which limits the decks he can be included in. Overall tho if they were to be partnered I think Shorokai will benefit more from their union.
@@soulassassin0g As someone who runs a Kotori vehicle deck she would benefit much more then Shorikai since if you focus on her he has to go in the 99 and either randomly drawn or tutored. And obviously he is the best card in that deck. For a deck based around Shorikai he doesn't even have to be vehicle focused to be good, so the crew cost and life/vig isn't as important.
Quick recommendation for a cheap card that wasn't mentioned: Scaretiller. I put one in as there a lot of vehicles with a crew cost of one, and since Shorikai discards cards, pitching lands to the grave in order to bring them back is great for ramp.
We want a episode of extra turns with the new members of the command zone. It would be amazing
I bought this deck on Sunday and loved it straight out of the box
Same and personally I think Kotori is better as a commander. I had a blast playing this deck!
Same. It’s so much better than the other one for the set. I’m so disappointed with it.
Also worth mention, swift configuration gives "haste" to creatures abilities, like emry, you can use it on her and she can tap right away
Oh boy, I've been waiting for this!
Congrats Jimmy!!!
Josh: Mentioning this card here won't raise its price at all.
Me: *stares in Vedalken Orrery*
vedalken orrery is also a low cost artifact that gives all your spells flash, you only need to see it played once to know how powerful it can be.
@@durarada I don't think I'd call it low cost. 4 is about middling for costs of utility artifacts.
That being said, it is a powerful card. But not $30 powerful. It should definitely be in the $10 to $15 range. Maybe as high as $20 if it hasn't seen a reprint in a while.
Yea he should have mentioned leyline of Anticipation if that's what he wants chance to be free and the 2 blue cost isnt a big deal in a 2 color deck
Unwinding clock + Vedalken Orrery absolutely slaps
I've played this deck last Saturday with a few changes. Teshar with Raff Capashen/Shimmer Myr, Emry, and Drumbellower is some magical christmas land that I achieved. It was so much value and fun against my friends more expensive decks.
Congrats Jimmy and Rosanna!
Already tried upgrading mine, but this will be helpful.
When upgrading before this episode came out what I did was tweak the mana a little (a few of the recently printed duals and Mech Hangar) and replace Jace with Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset. Using Shorikai with those tweaks got a massive lead very quickly! The things shown here are gonna make that even stronger and that’s awesome!
You can't convince me that Jace, Architect of Thought wasn't added to gimp value, playability, or both. There's a whole lot of just other Jaces that would be a better fit for the deck in the space of "generic blue planeswalker".
Hell, you could run the Ixalan precon Jace and get much better performance.
This co-host is an AWESOME dude. Bring him back more often, please!
Yes please!! I’d love to see Damen more on here!!
I went to High School with a guy that lived near Castaic Lake! I grew up in CA (Valencia) and the only thing I miss is the weather, but I still consider it my home. Very cool! I live in the Midwest now, but we have some nice mountainous trails that I can hike. Very cool End Step.
Yes I believe he grew up in Valencia, CA.
Congratulations Jimmy Wong on the new addition to the family.
One supreme verdict. That's all it would need. You guys even said it's really low on board wipes. With one supreme verdict it would spike the reprint value to reasonable level.
Played this heavily modified precon yesterday and NEVER lost. Highly resilient, survived 3 boardwipes and never stopped churning. Basically outlasted all my opponents who couldn’t handle it.
It's kinda funny that they talk about how the format is getting faster and they wish it'd slow down, but every video is about how to have the most efficient deck and build an uber powerful version with infinite combos. Still love the show but it's a thing I've noticed
I mean, most efficient deck for +$30 is far from most efficient deck. This is to get the decks up to reasonable playability vs personal constructed decks, they're not going to advise people to spend $30 and make the deck worse, are they? People also used to complain when there was an easy infinite combo with something and they didn't mention it (because they used to avoid talking about them), so they started talking about them because people wanted them to.
@@devyn54 I'm talking about their videos in general not this one specifically. You can see it more on their card reviews where they really only mention ways to break the card rather than find some more interesting/unique things the cards can do. And if the card can't be broken or abused in some way it just gets labeled a bad card. For game knights too, there's rarely any games like the first Modern Horizons one where it's less optimized but more interesting gameplay. Again I'm not complaining it's just an observation
Their focus is always to upgrade the deck as best as they can in a budget to match other decks. So because the format is going faster they are not going to just give you a slower deck just to bring everything down to a slower level. No, they will be trying to give you the best upgrade path possible to be as efficient as what the matter around Commander is now.
Imagine how upset people will be if they started giving upgrades that are much slower than what the meta is now. They are merely matching what wizards has given. So it is wizards that is making a format faster
@@smittynumber1812 I agree with you. I am appreciative of game knight's impressive content but their deck building vision seems to be fast and efficient gameplay, which does not align to my idea of fun.
Sadly, that's the best way to get view numbers up. I also prefer slower games (my decks are all 5's and 6's)
JIMMY HAD A BABY!!!!! Congrats to you and your wife 👏
Rebbec could also give protection from tokens if you have a Mana Crypt, artifact land, etc.
Food for thought
or an artifact token itself.
Also fun: cards that flip into artifacts, as the flip side has no mana cost.
@@caligo7918 both sides are considered on dual faced cards. Their cmc(mana value as they say now) is based on their main faced side.
711.4b While a double-faced permanent’s back face is up, it has only the characteristics of its back face. However, its converted mana cost is calculated using the mana cost of its front face.
@@weirdo82 i missed that! Thank you very much, now i have to clean out some cards ^^
I'm surprised they didn't add or mention dermotaxi, it's such a good card in this deck.
Congrats Jimmy! Happy for you man. I hope you teach him the ways of magic when he's old enough 😎
Losheel is another good addition since it protects your vehicles in combat. Also can occasionally get you card draw. Mirrodin Besieged is also a good way to get pilots when you cast vehicles.
9:20 but Josh, it's not a value engine it's a Genesis Engine! Reading the card explains the card haha. I'll see myself out now
Couldn't resist putting the 2 mecha godzillas in my build
Y'all have the only ad copy that I don't want to skip 🥰
"I built the deck around Shorikai and it was quite fun to play.*"
*Right up until it got Vandalblasted.
Too soon son, too soon
I think Josh is underselling the 8 power. It's just 3 power away from a two shot. Also, Swift Reconfiguration on Shorikai would drop the crew from 8 to 5.
This guy did a fantastic job. Nice addition to an already great show.
I finally have a good commander for my azorius combo artifact deck. So happy.
I would love to see Damen in a game play episode please. Love his energy and take on cards/strategies.
I would love to see that too!!
This guy! I like this guy! bring him back more often for these.
Yes please!! I love this guy!! :D
I bought an unwinding clock single for this deck and the fist pack I cracked in a set bundle had an unwinding clock in it...
Bought the unwinding clock right after this video 👍
Chief engineer and Reville Squad do wonders in the deck. Chief is basically a mana rock that gives your artifacts convoke, and works well with the Untap/flash shenanigans. Reville Squad untaps your creatures when you are attacked, allowing for more crew opportunities
I've been excited to see the upgrades for this deck, Awesome video guys!
Whats the infinite draw combo?
@@pedroluismunozbethancourt673 Grand Architect + Shorikai, Genesis Engine + Intruder Alarm: Assuming Shorikai is a creature (which should be easy to pull off with our general), this generates and infinite loop creating infinite guys, infinite mana, and "infinite draw" That is, until you deck yourself. That is why we have Thassa's Oracle
Dramatic Reversal and Isochron Scepter will also work.
Really liked Damen!
Thouroughly enjoyed this co-host!
Yes please!!
Slaughter the Strong would be AMAZING in this deck. At least, it's definitely something I'd include in mine.
Great Call! Organic Extinction out - Slaughter the Strong in!
It probably would have been too powerful, but it would have been awesome if Shorikai and Kotori had partner with each other.
That would’ve been bonkers
I could see it if kotori did not have the whole crew 2 ability and had tap pay 5 target vehicle becomes a creature until end of turn. So she can pilot shorikai
Partner would have been cool with greasefang and shorikai
Been waiting for this episode, and congrats on the new kiddo jimmy!
Great episode. Very creative choices from Damen!
Kamigawa has such a great theme, and I really enjoy a review on such a cool deck!
Mason's are cool people, coming from experience. And it's not a bad job either
I have a Vehicle deck with Elsha of the Infinite at the helm and Shimmer Dragon from Eldraine has been an unexpected MVP on multiple games.
Congratulations Jimmy!!!!
Congratulations Jimmy!
Congratulations to Jimmy
So I have my Gundam Shorikai deck, but it surprises me to see how many people take it to cEDH territory with infinite draw, but I love the giant mech tribal
I see you are a man of culture as well
"That's how they passed time in the 20's."
Crazy thought. We're IN the 20's...
I know Josh does find commander dmg irrelevant and its definitely dependant on your meta, but it can be relevant agaisnt life gain deck. Theres been some decent cards last year to push lifegain. Its not super popular in my meta, but it might change if WoTC continue to give new toys
It's definitely something that only needs one or two key cards to be really good. Especially if there was a commander that cared about large life totals. I think it'd be good for the game, as a proper lifegain deck would also make Voltron decks better too.
For sure my life gain decks get me pretty high in life, at the least keep me above 40. Commander damage is necessary sometimes. Or infect oof
Please do these for the next lot of precons!. I love not having to pay stupid amounts. I upgraded my buckle up with a few of these (few others) and love how it plays!
Ornithopter of Paradise, Voltaic/Manifold key, and Palladium Myr have all done BIG work in my version of the deck.
Got mine recently, this helped alot!
A couple odd/underrated additions to Shorikai:
Loyal Unicorn is a card I could never make work in any deck... until now. It's strong here.
Phyrexian Rebirth is a wrath that often leaves you with a creature big enough to pilot Shorikai right away.
Josh has such a hatred for commander damage
I am surprised that "Rise and Shine" was not even mentioned, it was the first card that I included^^
Rise and Shine turns all your vehicles into 4/4s (their stats get set to 0/0) for 6 mana and makes all your vehicles permanently vulnerable to creature removal/board wipes. You better be winning the turn you cast it, because otherwise you're getting wiped and losing everything.
@@devyn54 I know. I planed this card a a finsisher, like overrun-effects in green decks.
I built my Shorikai deck specifically to deal commander damage, there’s tons of artifact support to buff him and there’s tons of ways to give him evasion so taking someone out early isn’t as hard as you think also blue and white has a ton of permanent protection! Just say no to all the nasty spot removal or counter an artifact wrath and you’ll be fine
I want to build him the same way. Do you have a list? Or can you leave some suggestions?
My hot tip is "Power Matrix" :D
@@houdini8894 I’ll have to post a list later but one mana or two mana tricks like slip through space and ghost form have been great in the deck! Evasion on that big body is great and I’ll have to get myself a power matrix now! lol
path to exile
@@MeMM00 rebuff the wicked
Dies to Removal is a stupid Argument
Is Damen repping more Grunt Style on the show? +1 to this guy.
This is my first commander deck, I have really enjoyed it. I threw a tezzeret betrayer of flesh in, out of time and open the vaults because it is fun.
Hope I can pick one of these up soon. I love vehicles, and it’ll be more in-line with my playgroup who use a lot of precons
Drumbellower and Opposition are kind of insane.
Fell the Mighty is prolly one of the best wrath effect in this deck since you can kill everything while keeping your pilots.
This is the first pre con that I enjoy enough to upgrade and keep it. I usually use new pre cons for about a month then tear them down to add to other decks. This one I'm keeping, I love it.
What a difference 2 weeks makes. Thanks to Kappa Cannoneer (AKA Mecha-Gamera) this deck is now up to $70 EV. Not that great, I know, but way better than when it first came out. You can barely find it at Target or my LGS here.
i've found skullclamp and idol of oblivion to put in a lot of work in my build with shorikai's token gen
oh, and containment construct can mean you basically don't have to discard
@@BlackAndWhiteComicDotCom skullclamp is not a good idea. You will draw 2 with shorikai anyway and your hand has a cap size and you kill your pilots. Great you draw all the cards but you cant crew your stuff or you will discard because the hand size and you are doing this with sorcery speed.
Dont get me wrong, skullclamp is amazing in token deck. But in this deck for card draw and with azorius colour?!
When I first saw the decks commanders and themes, I didn't want any of them. Seeing you play Shorikai, Genesis Engine on game knights, it looked like so much fun, I bought it on release day at my LGS. I'm already waiting on cards to make changes but I'm excited to play it this weekend.
Well Kotori will become better in time as more vehicles with expensive crew costs are released. For this deck, I agree Shorikai is the superior choice, but I'd still keep an eye on Kotori in the future.
IF more vehicles are released
@@Nick-82 Vehicles are deciduous, so it's definitely a when, not an if. I agree that it might take some time though.
Kotori and shorikai should have had partner for each other and that would have been dope and made a bunch of sense. You cannot cast both fast enough to be broken any faster than any other commanders. Flavor wise, I would assume a dope ass “vehicle” like that has autopilot for it to come to you at your call 🤔 idk
If you’re swinging with Shoriki, you’re either screwed, winning that turn or you’re playing it wrong.
I really enjoyed the new guest. Please bring him back.
Yes I want to see him in here again! :D
Damen, it was -15 F in the Midwest when you recorded this. I watched it in the midst of a snow storm that dumped 2 ft of snow 😂
@19:00 Josh: That's how they used to buy time back in the 20s.
Me: So... nowadays?
Also me: oof... That can't be right.
I’m turning this deck into an ESPER deck with Sydri, Galvanic Genius as my Commander. Pay Blue; turn target noncreature artifact into a creature with power & toughness equal to its converted mana cost until end of turn. Pay White Black; give target artifact creature lifelink and deathtouch until end of turn.
This way I can add the cool Black mana artifacts, vehicles, enchantments, & creatures that came out in Kamigawa ND!
JLK was an absolute wet blanket this episode. I get not everything his co-host was perfect but sometimes those niche interactions he brought up are the most fun parts of the game.
Damen needs an ASMR channel where he just reads rules text from magic cards.
That would be awesome!! :D
unbender tine is a really strong card to add and it's cheaper then unwinding clock
Id love to be playing in these pods where mass artifact removal wasn't standard with most boardwipes
This guy is a great addition to the team, really informative and different view of play
Can we please talk about how funny this Better Help ad is?! 💀💀💀
Just a shout out for Jimmy! Congratulations!!!!!!
Ornithopter of Paradise should really be in this deck.
Good episode. I feel like you guys have found a decent happy medium on all the new set review stuff.
I feel u missed a golden opportunity to add mechtitan core!
I'm pretty sure they decided on the front-facing commander because it's just easier to understand for players starting out.
The most obvious card to add that you forgot is containment construct from neon dynasty. Your commander discards cards all the time, so why not just play those cards instead of discarding them.
A reason I could think of to not run this is for the return from graveyard, but that's a pretty flimsy reason tbh. This seems like an awesome card to include!
First time running my deck last night...I used imposter mech to clone toxrill. It was great because I didn't have to worry about his counters. ^^
Yo I can't wait to see the PICUTERS of the baby
I just made a Kykar vehicles deck with a few of these cards and it’s higher powered than I think this precon was but it shares a lot of similar cards. He makes 1/1s that pilot vehicles and with any anthem effects they become a lot better. And I can attack, get in damage, sacrifice spirits to cast a spell then make new fresh spirits to block for a turn cycle
As soon as i saw Escaflowne commander i knew im all in :)
Already upgraded mine with a Shorikai focus just to cheat other vehicles and stuff out. Beyond that, feel like this was a missed opportunity to reprint talisman of progress.
I think the reason they did the commanders the way they did is because they have said humans and humanoids sell better on packaging than non humans generally. Not sure, but thats my guess. Same reason they generally dont do planes without humans on them.
Ah yes, Shorikai is a value...engine
Got this pre-con recently, can’t wait to adjust and play. Sadly there was a packaging error and shorikai wasn’t in the deck.
Nice! I might get this! 🤖🚙
by the way: you can also just get rid of any card in your hand you don't need to choose from the top 2
Josh correcting pronunciation on "Minamo" was my favourite part of this whole episode xD