yet they still gave him new moves, not that I complain for a hard character as him, but they made dvj in a way that he needs a remake to work, and even the devs don't know what to do with him really.
@@mothman566 they have to do something similar to kazuya with his cd1+2, change the behaviour of the move, they need to make the character more fundamental so they can buff him without making it a yoshimitsu mishima
@@esqeleteT8 wouldn't be enough, the thing is they made him a gimmick character either they make him an all rounder or a gimmick, and if they wanna keep him as gimmick, he still needs a complete revision, cause they made him revolve around 1 very mediocre stance and removed or nerfed moves that would've complimented his gimmicks, like three ring circus and upper, or samsara
When you look at Steve and Devil Jin you can't help but think the Devs really had it out for these 2 guys. They really designed these characters to be low tier by default
Revert u/f4 hit properties (knockdown plus guaranteed b4) Fix d/f1,2 (mid, mid) Increase his overall combo damage Buff Mourning Crow Make counter hit d/f2 a launcher
Im good with uf4 being only a heat engager, also his combo damage is really high if you know the optimal routes which arent that hard too, he can to touch you with normal launchers. I really only have a problem with his df12, even df1 alone is just shit. Personally if theyre leaning into this gimmick route, his current df12 on hit should transition to MC, and buff the frames. the 2 being a high, unnatural and -9 oB is just absurd.
Damage on combos needs to stay relatively the same and if anything might need a slight nerf depending on the buffs given. He needs to buffs, 3 at best but they would be VERY substantial. Uf4 needs to like you said be a knockdown and guaranteed b4, df1 needs to be -3 on block, and buff d4 to tekken 7 status. You do that and suddenly hes a real character and solid in tekken 8 even with his stubbier range. Increasing his df1 range and buffing his hellsweep damage would honestly require some substantial nerfs to his damage and his gimmicky tools in this game. Im gonna be honest if it wasnt for him being trash in this game i would be saying his divekick shouldnt be a heat engager even if its hella punishable on block. He just needs solid mids and some semblance of a poking game. He doesnt need to be as good at neutral as Devil Jin or have as fucked up 50/50 as kazuya but he does need a reason for you to respect his mids and currently he just doesnt have that
yeah but to be honest i consider both those players better than qudans fundamentally, it's also character diff but it's not like they won because they played drag
@esqeleteT8 bro didn't qudans embarass jcdr in a tekken 7 tournament...I think it was 3 to 0...I love jcdr but that match was the first and maybe the only time I've seen him so confused
Such a great video - excellent production value. Praying for you Devil Jimmy mains to get buffs, and also to tone down the ultra top tiers in the next big patch.
Isn’t the only reason he’s been nerfed to the ground was because people on twitter love complaining and don’t take the time to adapt? I recently picked up Devil Jin, and despite the nerfs, I make it work the best I can
We make it work but its basically like playing on hard mode at this rate, glad you picked him up though, honestly can't remember the last time I came across a dj in ranked And if he does get any future buffs it just makes it even better for us who have been through the hard times with him
to be honest, judging by the nerfs and devs statements, they kinda want him to go back as an all rounder instead of a gimmicky character, but forgot to give him back the tools that made him an all rounder. I honestly don't really want him as a top tier, cause it sucks to have a top tier, even when they are hard as hell to play in tekken, but at least I wan't him to be good enough and rewarding to play, it kinda sucks to put so much effort, for basically nothing, I have matches were I dominate and do so many combos and stuff, but I still lose cause all the damage he does is recoverable and since he loses the turn on everything he does, it's pretty easy to recover the damage, and the opposite doesn't work either since the only way for him to recover decent amount of health is with rage art, so I basically lose to someone who played worse than me, and it sucks a lot to bring someone to low health, basically 2 or 3 hits to kill him, but have him recover up to half his health easily while I lose often do to chip dmg.
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@@yungbruh666 True his launch version was pretty overrated. I'd say only keep the damage nerf in hellsweep but revert the range. Also keep the range nerf in heat smash, but revert the tracking to complement his VERY linear kit.
@@hatto if they reverted every change to devil jin he still would only be as good as kazuya or a little bit better at best, hes not a top 10 threat at all. I kept tryna tell people to just WAIT before demanding nerfs, i told them the game was brand new and you need time with the characters before we can make these calls, but the community never changes and the devs cave in. Reverting him back to launch version would definitely be a huge upgrade to what we have now, but it would be far from fixing his problems
King, Jin, Yoshi, AND Female Hurtboxes NEED NERFS. These characters don't even play tekken. I'm generally convinced these MF's play the game with one hand not even enjoying the game because they know their character is BS!
@@HBFaith Lows are actually often crushed, like hopkicks in general are made to crush lows. What isn't right tho is crushing mids, since mids are supposed to be like the consistent all hitting area that covers standing and crouching and even airborne. Mids should never be crushed imo
@@a.eb.a1507 the thing is with mids tho is that to compensate for basically the safest area to hit, most fast mid moves are minus on block, ultimately losing your turn, the plus on block ones are slow, this prevents them from being spammable. Highs are usually the ones with better frames, but ofc you can duck them. Mid crushing moves just brings inconsistencies to the fundamentals, and im saying this as an u4 enjoyer
I picked him up since he got the perfect electric notation, he feels great. He has way more gimmicks than kazuya(my main) i really hope they buff dvj somewhere in the future though
I think they want people to stop playing Devil Jin, the reason he's nerfed in the last patch of tekken 7 and he is weak in Tekken 8 because they are removing him from the game with Tekken 9. They nerfed it so because eventually most of people stop playing with him and forget about him so they won't demand him in Tekken 9. Why? Because he doesn't exist anymore after the events of Tekken 8 story. They will give Jin more of his moves and make him the proper merged (Jin+Djin) character. Devi Jin has always been the consistent top tier and there was a reason as he was the strongest lore wise but now Jin is. Apart from that Dragnov was a top tier in tekken 7 season 1 and 2 and then got nerfed and i think same thing will happen to him in tekken 8 as well. He will be nerfed after season 1 or season 2. He is the strongest for a reason, because he is Russian and i don't think i need to tell why? If you ask me it is a stupid design choice. The Top 3 (S-tier) character should be 1: Jin or Devil Jin, 2 Devil Jin or Jin, 3rd Kazuya (and Heihachi at 4th). And the rest of the cast (Including Reina) should starts from 1 tier below and so on. And it always baffles me that why its not the case and same with Street fighter. Ryu should be the strongest and then Ken at the 2nd if not equal to Ryu. When you show a character defeating the strongest character in the game then they should be the strongest in game as well. So they think its ok if Kazuya destroys most of the cast single handedly in the story and then when it comes to actual game he is weaker than at least 10 characters, its laughable. Well overall its a poor game design at Namco's part.
I dont think him being gone in Tekken 9 means that they would need to nerf him at the very first year of Tekken 8. Mind you T8 has a plan to run for atleast 10 years, and dvj was strong on release of T8. It's just overrating because of the people's voices, not necessarily due to lore, especially in a fighting game.
@@hatto No one likes to play with the dead character other than some loyalist even some of move on. So like I said, my theory is they did because people eventually stop playing him and move on from him and when eventually they release another game (tekken 9) then people don't ask about him. Most will think oh, he was bad in tekken 8 anyways so who cares. And the direction tekken 8 was made on and the way it heading towards i don't think it will last 10 years. I give 5 years if it still remains as aggressive only game. Actually he wasn't that strong when tekken 8 released he was good like some good characters but not like his tekken 7 self, it was just we didn't know about his shananigans when we figured them out he came down pretty hard. His heat smash was the only thing that was more than good. Other than that he was ok not like how he was in Tekken 7 before the last season. He has really cool looking moves, may be cooler than any other character but they are just easy to follow now as many have learned the matchup. To be actually good like he used to be in all the previous games he needs some improvements apart from the reverse of all of his nerfs. Morning crow implementation in some moves, watch any of my tekken 8 devil jin combo videos on my channel and you will get the idea (minus the busted stuff in the videos). 1. Story mode df+2 (Jin's df+2) into CD and all the extensions/cancels it has. 2. Morning crow implementations: A: morning crow 3 aka Venomous torment (light version and low hit) which doesn't knock down or bound and also has morning crow cancel after the hit. This way it can be used in combos and mixups. B. Morning crow 3 (light) has to be its own move (watch any of my devil jin t8 combos with Venomous Torment Light and you will understand what i am talking about. C: morning crow 2, cancels into morning crow (for combos). D:. Morning crow 2, d+3 (Venomous torment light). 3: b+2, 3, cancel into morning crow. 4: b+1, 2, cancel into morning crow. 5. A couple of new chain/mixup hits for 50/50 like 2, 1, 2 (moves: 2, df+1 and 2 of df+1, 2) and in heat 2, 1, 2~f+2 (heat morning crow unblockable grab he has). And 2, 1, 2~d+2 (moves: 2, df+2, wr2) can be delayed. 6: b+2, d+3 (d+3 = wr3 knee). 7: db+2~2 (wr2) can be delayed. 8: df+3, 2, d+2 (db+2) third mixup chains. I hope it doesn't make him overkill and just S tier like he should be.
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Man I don’t feel bad for devil Jin mains at all. The only reason their mad is because he’s not TOP TIER like he used be. Now, he’s a fun character to play with and against . Also, being able to perfect electric IS a huge deal… but he should’ve always been abler to do that . His sweep should be buffed slightly in its reached but not tooo much though. I’ve used devil Jin and my win rate is more than 60%.. he’s not that bad. He’s oki game is amazing. In tekken the previous tekkens, devil Jin was so good there wasn’t a reason why anyone should play any other Mishima unless you just wanted an easier character . Now, there’s more variety especially with Reina and heiachi in the game and I think that’s cool but devil Jin should’ve never been S tier. He used to get 80+ damage for his low sweep. How tf was ever fair in tekken 7 ? Now that he’s fair all the devil mains are complaining. He’s finally a “fair” character and I don’t see anything wrong with and I don’t care how hard you think he is. He’s not even that hard. I’ve never EVER “needed” to be able to do 7 electrics in row to get off my most optimal devil Jin combo. Tf are you guys complaining for? Most people know he’s a B tier character and that’s okay. But I actually think he’s more like a B+ character . Most , if not always , when devil Jin mains compare Devil to other characters and claim and that he’s “BOTTOM” tier , what they really mean is that he’s the worst mishima out of all the mishimas . And u no what? I’m sick of it. That doesn’t mean he isn’t bottom tier. It just means he’s not the best Mishima. You’re not going to extra benefits just because you play a harder character and you shouldn’t. If you don’t like then play one of the other 4 mishimas. It’s that simple. The people that WANT to play devil Jin will play him and the others won’t and that’s that
I would be happy if they mainly buff his range on key tools like jabs, hell sweep, demon paw etc and make his df 1,2 a mid mid like in tekken 7 and ill be happy
I mean crazy thought but they might be trying to get rid of him lore wise could make sense and if hes less desirable people may drop him lowering the risk of backlash. I dont want that of course i love devil jin hes always been a favorite character of mine personally.
Well as a TK Dvj Main i agree that he Needs some adjustments in Terms of jab range But Overall he is a Great character But Lacking of Good strings and mids yeah . Maybe we get some Reverts from the Nerfs . But overall i think he is kinda fine when you actually hsve Execution to Play him :)
Okay but... Why is bro looks like Valorant Iso? 😭💀 Maybe it's an Easter Egg for next video where Hatoo roast the hell of Jett Iron 1 ass of how BAD she was against Vyse, holy moly that was Riot saying how Jett mains don't know how to entry a site at all lmao
The biggest misconception in the tekken community is that devil Jin was always S tier. He was only S tier in tekken 5. He was average at best in tekken 6 and awful in tekken 7 (even before the last season nerf)
he got buffed. he only needs a giant ff2 buff. hellsweep combo is so bait only ever do this to finish the round this thing does around zero dmg if they recover the health his normal hellsweep is way better with only 2-3 recoverable health if they buff him to tekken 7 level he is in the same situation like yoshi a ton of gimmicks+ good overall and this would be a problem
other than him being what it is right now i even have to stand people saying that he's "gimmicky" yeah he requires setups to work well but so do every other mishima in every single tekken. people call moves like db1+2 gimmicky but the truth is that shit is all he has for oki situations. and for god sake samsara and b3 are everything but gimmicky! those moves are just evasive. I can understand more defining the morning crow stance as harder to get yourself around but it litterally has 2 moves from it + a grab. JUST ONE PLUS on block. So its a semi-neutral sort of mixup like every other stance carather has. I literally prefer playing him for the rest of the game in his actual condition than hear people saing he's the yoshi of mishimas, jesus christ give it a break
he is gimmicky. everyone literally says this. no, the other mishimas don't rely on gimmicks, they require the most fundamentally (atleast kazuya), 5050 okis, spacing, applying turns. db1+2 is gimmicky due to its setup utility, one example is ws3f 42 after cd4 1+2, other than being able to release midway. yes b3 and u4 is evasive, and those moves alone arent gimmicky on paper yea, but complementing his whole kit, he NEEDS to rely on these turn-stealing moves to atleast have an equal footing with most of the cast. There are also common setups like ws4 to b3, or even a simple jab to u4. He's the "yoshi of mishimas" in a sense that his gameplay is effective by stealing turns like yoshi does. It's not that he's necessarily designed that way other than his MCR which is actually just gimmicky, but it's more so his lacking kit that requires him to rely on those moves to have some firepower. u4 was evasive enough, b3 was not really needed, while nerfing his fundamentals, indirectly his design is intended for that. I mean you dont have to play him that way, yes, but he is designed currently to rely on those if you really wanna use him efficiently, otherwise youre better off playing kazuya who has better fundamental kit.
@@hatto you still do not make a point on what are his gimmicks. People say that he's gimmicky but most of people don't really undestand shit. Like in the beginning of the game where he was considered among the top tiers. name me a single gimmick things he does. NONE im so done with the amount of garbage he has to go trough. got him to tekken god and i can tell you its way harder than kazuya. Bc he relies on absolutley nothing. Its truely a specialist you have to invent stuff to win matches. you just do it 20 times more than any other pg because otherwhise you don't win. 20 time the effort to have back things that bearly makes up with the rest of the cast. Thats it, and im fine with it because he's insane cool and its so good to just outplay everyone you win against. While playing him it really feels like a simple soldier against tanks. And when you win it feels amazing
@@hatto and you dont have to rely on u4 or b3. They just work against the weakest of the players, you can see them as a trash version of a non low snake edge
when you sya Tekken 7 had a issue around 3-4 minutes and 8 seems to make everyone different wdym? could you make a video on it. also take my sub friend
@@ri_c_e Thanks man! I meant that Tekken 7 had an issue of making everyone similar (having an i13 CH Launcher) and the gameplay mostly revolved around that, so overall it lacked uniqueness for each character, hence the devs' goal for T8 was to make everyone unique, which they said themselves. Unique as in having different approaches to their styles and kits, making you play very differently from one char to another. Idk if I can make a video on that tho since itll be pretty short. But basically everything in T8 is supposed to be the contrast of T7, and one of those is giving the characters uniqueness.
@@hatto if it means anything i really enjoyed this video and thats why i asked you to make one so i could see more tekken ones from you. If its not possible to talk about the tekken 7 characters and their weird universal tools could you talk about a few of the tekken 8 characyers in how they achieve their unique effects? My favorite section of the vid was you going over the mishimas and what they achieve in their gameplay/gameplan
@@ri_c_e I can but I dont think im that knowledgeable to other characters (I gotta start labbing them). I just felt comfortable making this since I feel like I really know dvj well throughout the years.
The one thing I really want to comment about is how electrics are severely downplayed. A lot of people say about "months" for consistent electrics and you even said "years". Meanwhile me properly explaining the input to my friend who only plays HoI IV and Civ V resulted in him doing an electric 2 minutes into the game and like an hour to do a staple combo with two electrics in a row. I always tell my friends that inputting d, df+2 part should be just hella fast in one slide motion on a dpad and not even exactly precise and they get it very quickly. I don't play Mishimas and played Jin and DJ for like 10 hours each and I can say my electrics are pretty consistent. For the reward they bring they feel as easy as doing a jab. Also "1,1,2 bears a risk of getting launched" is a vague statement. Well, don't finish it? Because in that case it's the best i10 string in the game after Law ch heat launcher abolishment of a move. Otherwise I pretty much agree on the topic, great content, the montage is chefs kiss.
@@nightingale7598 Im not saying its weak, bc its one of the best moves in the game. Im just saying that their balancing direction with the electric is execution, which becomes a throwaway if youre a veteran on the game alr. The years thing refers to someone who has no exp on fgs in general. And yes that goes the same for 112, its like the best 10f punish in the game, the die on block was just to explain the mishima moves and its risks for the uninformed audience, but yea the "risk" is not really that risky when its confirmable.
The thing with Kazuya was bugs preventing him from doing things he should do. Rather than him being weak
yet they still gave him new moves, not that I complain for a hard character as him, but they made dvj in a way that he needs a remake to work, and even the devs don't know what to do with him really.
KAz was never weak to begin with, he just had a terrible df1 hitbox, funny he got buffs instead of dvj when dvj desperately needed them.
@@mothman566 they have to do something similar to kazuya with his cd1+2, change the behaviour of the move, they need to make the character more fundamental so they can buff him without making it a yoshimitsu mishima
@@esqeleteT8 wouldn't be enough, the thing is they made him a gimmick character either they make him an all rounder or a gimmick, and if they wanna keep him as gimmick, he still needs a complete revision, cause they made him revolve around 1 very mediocre stance and removed or nerfed moves that would've complimented his gimmicks, like three ring circus and upper, or samsara
When you look at Steve and Devil Jin you can't help but think the Devs really had it out for these 2 guys. They really designed these characters to be low tier by default
Devil Jin is the coolest looking character it's a shame he's always nerfed
Revert u/f4 hit properties (knockdown plus guaranteed b4)
Fix d/f1,2 (mid, mid)
Increase his overall combo damage
Buff Mourning Crow
Make counter hit d/f2 a launcher
Im good with uf4 being only a heat engager, also his combo damage is really high if you know the optimal routes which arent that hard too, he can to touch you with normal launchers. I really only have a problem with his df12, even df1 alone is just shit. Personally if theyre leaning into this gimmick route, his current df12 on hit should transition to MC, and buff the frames. the 2 being a high, unnatural and -9 oB is just absurd.
@@hattoI'm also baffled by this change on his d/f1,2. He has little to no viable mid poke 🥲
Damage on combos needs to stay relatively the same and if anything might need a slight nerf depending on the buffs given. He needs to buffs, 3 at best but they would be VERY substantial. Uf4 needs to like you said be a knockdown and guaranteed b4, df1 needs to be -3 on block, and buff d4 to tekken 7 status. You do that and suddenly hes a real character and solid in tekken 8 even with his stubbier range. Increasing his df1 range and buffing his hellsweep damage would honestly require some substantial nerfs to his damage and his gimmicky tools in this game. Im gonna be honest if it wasnt for him being trash in this game i would be saying his divekick shouldnt be a heat engager even if its hella punishable on block. He just needs solid mids and some semblance of a poking game. He doesnt need to be as good at neutral as Devil Jin or have as fucked up 50/50 as kazuya but he does need a reason for you to respect his mids and currently he just doesnt have that
I watched Qudans fight 2 Dragunovs in 1 tourney and lost to both (Ulsan and JDCR). DVJ’s tools are so limited in this patch…
yeah but to be honest i consider both those players better than qudans fundamentally, it's also character diff but it's not like they won because they played drag
@esqeleteT8 bro didn't qudans embarass jcdr in a tekken 7 tournament...I think it was 3 to 0...I love jcdr but that match was the first and maybe the only time I've seen him so confused
Tbf, I’d be damned proud of competing with top talent like those guys any day. Especially with a hard character like dvj
@@esqeleteT8 No they are not. The reason qudans made devil jin work was because his fundamentals were stronger than his opponents
It is kinda true that Devil Jin in previous games didn't have much of an identity as a character aside from being a better, all rounder Kazuya.
I Mean it was suppose to be a mix of mishima and kazama like t3 jin
3:55 hey man DVJ stole Jin’s old moveset, so they’re even.
actually fair point
Jin abandoned his old moveset cause of his daddy/granddaddy issues
Such a great video - excellent production value. Praying for you Devil Jimmy mains to get buffs, and also to tone down the ultra top tiers in the next big patch.
Isn’t the only reason he’s been nerfed to the ground was because people on twitter love complaining and don’t take the time to adapt?
I recently picked up Devil Jin, and despite the nerfs, I make it work the best I can
@@the_s1lence Yes exactly
We make it work but its basically like playing on hard mode at this rate, glad you picked him up though, honestly can't remember the last time I came across a dj in ranked
And if he does get any future buffs it just makes it even better for us who have been through the hard times with him
to be honest, judging by the nerfs and devs statements, they kinda want him to go back as an all rounder instead of a gimmicky character, but forgot to give him back the tools that made him an all rounder.
I honestly don't really want him as a top tier, cause it sucks to have a top tier, even when they are hard as hell to play in tekken, but at least I wan't him to be good enough and rewarding to play, it kinda sucks to put so much effort, for basically nothing, I have matches were I dominate and do so many combos and stuff, but I still lose cause all the damage he does is recoverable and since he loses the turn on everything he does, it's pretty easy to recover the damage, and the opposite doesn't work either since the only way for him to recover decent amount of health is with rage art, so I basically lose to someone who played worse than me, and it sucks a lot to bring someone to low health, basically 2 or 3 hits to kill him, but have him recover up to half his health easily while I lose often do to chip dmg.
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diohly you are a gift to this world
They should at least revert all his nerfs
@@yungbruh666 True his launch version was pretty overrated. I'd say only keep the damage nerf in hellsweep but revert the range. Also keep the range nerf in heat smash, but revert the tracking to complement his VERY linear kit.
@@hatto if they reverted every change to devil jin he still would only be as good as kazuya or a little bit better at best, hes not a top 10 threat at all. I kept tryna tell people to just WAIT before demanding nerfs, i told them the game was brand new and you need time with the characters before we can make these calls, but the community never changes and the devs cave in. Reverting him back to launch version would definitely be a huge upgrade to what we have now, but it would be far from fixing his problems
a fun buff i would want would be making his f,n,d,df+4,4 +8 instead of +4 so that he gets his b+4/d+3 mixup
King, Jin, Yoshi, AND Female Hurtboxes NEED NERFS.
These characters don't even play tekken. I'm generally convinced these MF's play the game with one hand not even enjoying the game because they know their character is BS!
Female hurtboxes got to be THE WORST. I've seen these all of the girls Crush MIDS!!! SOMETIMES LOWS!?!? HOW DO YOU CRUSH LOWS!!?!? WTF IS THAT
@@HBFaith Lows are actually often crushed, like hopkicks in general are made to crush lows. What isn't right tho is crushing mids, since mids are supposed to be like the consistent all hitting area that covers standing and crouching and even airborne. Mids should never be crushed imo
@@hatto anything in the game should have a counterplay without being able to escape mids everybody would be spamming them
@@a.eb.a1507 the thing is with mids tho is that to compensate for basically the safest area to hit, most fast mid moves are minus on block, ultimately losing your turn, the plus on block ones are slow, this prevents them from being spammable. Highs are usually the ones with better frames, but ofc you can duck them. Mid crushing moves just brings inconsistencies to the fundamentals, and im saying this as an u4 enjoyer
@@HBFaithur yappin
I picked him up since he got the perfect electric notation, he feels great. He has way more gimmicks than kazuya(my main) i really hope they buff dvj somewhere in the future though
That music pause and whisper shit got real old pass the 2 minute mark lmao
I think they want people to stop playing Devil Jin, the reason he's nerfed in the last patch of tekken 7 and he is weak in Tekken 8 because they are removing him from the game with Tekken 9.
They nerfed it so because eventually most of people stop playing with him and forget about him so they won't demand him in Tekken 9. Why? Because he doesn't exist anymore after the events of Tekken 8 story. They will give Jin more of his moves and make him the proper merged (Jin+Djin) character. Devi Jin has always been the consistent top tier and there was a reason as he was the strongest lore wise but now Jin is. Apart from that Dragnov was a top tier in tekken 7 season 1 and 2 and then got nerfed and i think same thing will happen to him in tekken 8 as well. He will be nerfed after season 1 or season 2. He is the strongest for a reason, because he is Russian and i don't think i need to tell why? If you ask me it is a stupid design choice. The Top 3 (S-tier) character should be 1: Jin or Devil Jin, 2 Devil Jin or Jin, 3rd Kazuya (and Heihachi at 4th). And the rest of the cast (Including Reina) should starts from 1 tier below and so on. And it always baffles me that why its not the case and same with Street fighter. Ryu should be the strongest and then Ken at the 2nd if not equal to Ryu. When you show a character defeating the strongest character in the game then they should be the strongest in game as well. So they think its ok if Kazuya destroys most of the cast single handedly in the story and then when it comes to actual game he is weaker than at least 10 characters, its laughable. Well overall its a poor game design at Namco's part.
I dont think him being gone in Tekken 9 means that they would need to nerf him at the very first year of Tekken 8. Mind you T8 has a plan to run for atleast 10 years, and dvj was strong on release of T8. It's just overrating because of the people's voices, not necessarily due to lore, especially in a fighting game.
@@hatto No one likes to play with the dead character other than some loyalist even some of move on. So like I said, my theory is they did because people eventually stop playing him and move on from him and when eventually they release another game (tekken 9) then people don't ask about him. Most will think oh, he was bad in tekken 8 anyways so who cares. And the direction tekken 8 was made on and the way it heading towards i don't think it will last 10 years. I give 5 years if it still remains as aggressive only game.
Actually he wasn't that strong when tekken 8 released he was good like some good characters but not like his tekken 7 self, it was just we didn't know about his shananigans when we figured them out he came down pretty hard. His heat smash was the only thing that was more than good. Other than that he was ok not like how he was in Tekken 7 before the last season. He has really cool looking moves, may be cooler than any other character but they are just easy to follow now as many have learned the matchup.
To be actually good like he used to be in all the previous games he needs some improvements apart from the reverse of all of his nerfs.
Morning crow implementation in some moves, watch any of my tekken 8 devil jin combo videos on my channel and you will get the idea (minus the busted stuff in the videos).
1. Story mode df+2 (Jin's df+2) into CD and all the extensions/cancels it has.
2. Morning crow implementations:
A: morning crow 3 aka Venomous torment (light version and low hit) which doesn't knock down or bound and also has morning crow cancel after the hit. This way it can be used in combos and mixups.
B. Morning crow 3 (light) has to be its own move (watch any of my devil jin t8 combos with Venomous Torment Light and you will understand what i am talking about.
C: morning crow 2, cancels into morning crow (for combos).
D:. Morning crow 2, d+3 (Venomous torment light).
3: b+2, 3, cancel into morning crow.
4: b+1, 2, cancel into morning crow.
5. A couple of new chain/mixup hits for 50/50 like 2, 1, 2 (moves: 2, df+1 and 2 of df+1, 2) and in heat 2, 1, 2~f+2 (heat morning crow unblockable grab he has). And 2, 1, 2~d+2 (moves: 2, df+2, wr2) can be delayed.
6: b+2, d+3 (d+3 = wr3 knee).
7: db+2~2 (wr2) can be delayed.
8: df+3, 2, d+2 (db+2) third mixup chains.
I hope it doesn't make him overkill and just S tier like he should be.
"Jin should get depressed and suicidal again to make my main good again"
Никогда бы и не подумал, что это канал по tekken. Жаль, что я играл только в третью, пятую и шестую часть :/
It's not a tekken channel, but more like an anything channel. I just post any vid that i feel doing. That being said, you gotta try tekken more, it's pretty good outside of ranked. For valorant stuff, my next few vids will probably be valorant related :)
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Это не канал TEKKEN, а скорее какой-нибудь канал. Я просто публикую любое видео, которое чувствую. При этом вам нужно больше пробовать TEKKEN, он довольно хорош за пределами своей рейтинговой системы. Что касается VALORANT, мои следующие несколько видео, вероятно, будут связаны с VALORANT :)
@@hatto good luck!
This video was so cool gang (I didn't watch this shit at all)
This comment was so cool gang (I didn't read this shit at all)
@@hatto This reply was so cool gang (I'm a level 100 dumbass)
@@mimikyulorders2611 Bro had to read it to reply in that manner 😭
WATCH IT!!!
Man I don’t feel bad for devil Jin mains at all.
The only reason their mad is because he’s not TOP TIER like he used be. Now, he’s a fun character to play with and against .
Also, being able to perfect electric IS a huge deal… but he should’ve always been abler to do that . His sweep should be buffed slightly in its reached but not tooo much though.
I’ve used devil Jin and my win rate is more than 60%.. he’s not that bad. He’s oki game is amazing.
In tekken the previous tekkens, devil Jin was so good there wasn’t a reason why anyone should play any other Mishima unless you just wanted an easier character . Now, there’s more variety especially with Reina and heiachi in the game and I think that’s cool but devil Jin should’ve never been S tier. He used to get 80+ damage for his low sweep. How tf was ever fair in tekken 7 ? Now that he’s fair all the devil mains are complaining. He’s finally a “fair” character and I don’t see anything wrong with and I don’t care how hard you think he is. He’s not even that hard.
I’ve never EVER “needed” to be able to do 7 electrics in row to get off my most optimal devil Jin combo. Tf are you guys complaining for? Most people know he’s a B tier character and that’s okay. But I actually think he’s more like a B+ character .
Most , if not always , when devil Jin mains compare Devil to other characters and claim and that he’s “BOTTOM” tier , what they really mean is that he’s the worst mishima out of all the mishimas . And u no what? I’m sick of it. That doesn’t mean he isn’t bottom tier. It just means he’s not the best Mishima.
You’re not going to extra benefits just because you play a harder character and you shouldn’t. If you don’t like then play one of the other 4 mishimas. It’s that simple. The people that WANT to play devil Jin will play him and the others won’t and that’s that
I would be happy if they mainly buff his range on key tools like jabs, hell sweep, demon paw etc and make his df 1,2 a mid mid like in tekken 7 and ill be happy
Devil Jin might gets buffs over patches. Mainman said he wanted them to nerf its tracking not the range also. He got overnerfed
devil jin is not weak, the other characters are just too strong
which then by default makes him weak since the cast is the base comparison, but yes i do agree hes not weak on paper
My 3rd main Devil Jin is not a weak character but they over nerf him which I'm extremely disappointed about his changes
@@hatto you are right, that's the point
I mean crazy thought but they might be trying to get rid of him lore wise could make sense and if hes less desirable people may drop him lowering the risk of backlash.
I dont want that of course i love devil jin hes always been a favorite character of mine personally.
Well as a TK Dvj Main i agree that he Needs some adjustments in Terms of jab range But Overall he is a Great character But Lacking of Good strings and mids yeah . Maybe we get some Reverts from the Nerfs . But overall i think he is kinda fine when you actually hsve Execution to Play him :)
He's got a perfect electric now yay *the cope is strong*
Your microphone is configured so weird. I can hear your audio peaking sometimes, and your voice mostly comes out from the right instead of centered.
It's either it's actually configured bad or the different positions I do when recording, mb. I have a HyperX solocast as my mic.
Okay but... Why is bro looks like Valorant Iso? 😭💀
Maybe it's an Easter Egg for next video where Hatoo roast the hell of Jett Iron 1 ass of how BAD she was against Vyse, holy moly that was Riot saying how Jett mains don't know how to entry a site at all lmao
WTF HAHAHAHAH
The biggest misconception in the tekken community is that devil Jin was always S tier. He was only S tier in tekken 5. He was average at best in tekken 6 and awful in tekken 7 (even before the last season nerf)
LOL.
Entertained.
Should it really be considered a buff when you're fixing something that didn't work as intended?
@@a.eb.a1507 What move are you referring to? But it can be considered as one since positive bug fixes still contribute to the character's strength
@@hatto i'm referring to kazuya receiving "buffs" while most of it was just fixes
I hope they just balance him better than right now
he got buffed.
he only needs a giant ff2 buff.
hellsweep combo is so bait only ever do this to finish the round this thing does around zero dmg if they recover the health his normal hellsweep is way better with only 2-3 recoverable health
if they buff him to tekken 7 level he is in the same situation like yoshi a ton of gimmicks+ good overall and this would be a problem
He got kinda buffed ye
usually the low levels think DVJ is OP while actual good players all agree he's not good at all.
10:29 Mom I made it
@@Brainzzz123 YOOO BRO I LOVE YOUR WORKS! Was wondering what your thoughts are for this video
@@hatto 10/10 vid. Elevated to 11/10 once I was in it 😁
other than him being what it is right now i even have to stand people saying that he's "gimmicky" yeah he requires setups to work well but so do every other mishima in every single tekken. people call moves like db1+2 gimmicky but the truth is that shit is all he has for oki situations. and for god sake samsara and b3 are everything but gimmicky! those moves are just evasive. I can understand more defining the morning crow stance as harder to get yourself around but it litterally has 2 moves from it + a grab. JUST ONE PLUS on block. So its a semi-neutral sort of mixup like every other stance carather has. I literally prefer playing him for the rest of the game in his actual condition than hear people saing he's the yoshi of mishimas, jesus christ give it a break
he is gimmicky. everyone literally says this. no, the other mishimas don't rely on gimmicks, they require the most fundamentally (atleast kazuya), 5050 okis, spacing, applying turns. db1+2 is gimmicky due to its setup utility, one example is ws3f 42 after cd4 1+2, other than being able to release midway. yes b3 and u4 is evasive, and those moves alone arent gimmicky on paper yea, but complementing his whole kit, he NEEDS to rely on these turn-stealing moves to atleast have an equal footing with most of the cast. There are also common setups like ws4 to b3, or even a simple jab to u4. He's the "yoshi of mishimas" in a sense that his gameplay is effective by stealing turns like yoshi does. It's not that he's necessarily designed that way other than his MCR which is actually just gimmicky, but it's more so his lacking kit that requires him to rely on those moves to have some firepower. u4 was evasive enough, b3 was not really needed, while nerfing his fundamentals, indirectly his design is intended for that. I mean you dont have to play him that way, yes, but he is designed currently to rely on those if you really wanna use him efficiently, otherwise youre better off playing kazuya who has better fundamental kit.
@@hatto you still do not make a point on what are his gimmicks. People say that he's gimmicky but most of people don't really undestand shit. Like in the beginning of the game where he was considered among the top tiers. name me a single gimmick things he does. NONE im so done with the amount of garbage he has to go trough. got him to tekken god and i can tell you its way harder than kazuya. Bc he relies on absolutley nothing. Its truely a specialist you have to invent stuff to win matches. you just do it 20 times more than any other pg because otherwhise you don't win. 20 time the effort to have back things that bearly makes up with the rest of the cast. Thats it, and im fine with it because he's insane cool and its so good to just outplay everyone you win against. While playing him it really feels like a simple soldier against tanks. And when you win it feels amazing
@@hatto and you dont have to rely on u4 or b3. They just work against the weakest of the players, you can see them as a trash version of a non low snake edge
Nice vid, but I can't condone this superfluous Jin slander my good sir 😅
He's my 4th main, dw i love the guy (i hate him)
im starting to play devil jin a bit, im a yoshi main (my bad lol) and a bryan main, ya devil jin requires alot of work and skill.
Bro dw i main dvj but i submain yoshi LMAO
can not take you seriously bcuz u clearly are a dvj main
ah i get that
Well who else is going to say something besides dvj mains?
well look again
when you sya Tekken 7 had a issue around 3-4 minutes and 8 seems to make everyone different wdym? could you make a video on it. also take my sub friend
@@ri_c_e Thanks man! I meant that Tekken 7 had an issue of making everyone similar (having an i13 CH Launcher) and the gameplay mostly revolved around that, so overall it lacked uniqueness for each character, hence the devs' goal for T8 was to make everyone unique, which they said themselves. Unique as in having different approaches to their styles and kits, making you play very differently from one char to another. Idk if I can make a video on that tho since itll be pretty short. But basically everything in T8 is supposed to be the contrast of T7, and one of those is giving the characters uniqueness.
@@hatto ahhh i gotcha now
@@hatto if it means anything i really enjoyed this video and thats why i asked you to make one so i could see more tekken ones from you. If its not possible to talk about the tekken 7 characters and their weird universal tools could you talk about a few of the tekken 8 characyers in how they achieve their unique effects? My favorite section of the vid was you going over the mishimas and what they achieve in their gameplay/gameplan
@@ri_c_e I can but I dont think im that knowledgeable to other characters (I gotta start labbing them). I just felt comfortable making this since I feel like I really know dvj well throughout the years.
Bro...
ey what did i say
The one thing I really want to comment about is how electrics are severely downplayed. A lot of people say about "months" for consistent electrics and you even said "years". Meanwhile me properly explaining the input to my friend who only plays HoI IV and Civ V resulted in him doing an electric 2 minutes into the game and like an hour to do a staple combo with two electrics in a row.
I always tell my friends that inputting d, df+2 part should be just hella fast in one slide motion on a dpad and not even exactly precise and they get it very quickly.
I don't play Mishimas and played Jin and DJ for like 10 hours each and I can say my electrics are pretty consistent.
For the reward they bring they feel as easy as doing a jab.
Also "1,1,2 bears a risk of getting launched" is a vague statement. Well, don't finish it? Because in that case it's the best i10 string in the game after Law ch heat launcher abolishment of a move.
Otherwise I pretty much agree on the topic, great content, the montage is chefs kiss.
@@nightingale7598 Im not saying its weak, bc its one of the best moves in the game. Im just saying that their balancing direction with the electric is execution, which becomes a throwaway if youre a veteran on the game alr. The years thing refers to someone who has no exp on fgs in general. And yes that goes the same for 112, its like the best 10f punish in the game, the die on block was just to explain the mishima moves and its risks for the uninformed audience, but yea the "risk" is not really that risky when its confirmable.
Wow your scrub friend doing 2 electrics really proves that consistency is not a thing
@@jac1793 well, on topic of consistency, I did mention myself, right?
it's hard to understand you, it feels like you're mumbling too quickly maybe it's because i'm foreign
B3 brainrots
That music pause and whisper shit got real old pass the 2 minute mark lmao
it's not something that's getting old or not, it's to divide and convey my honest side thoughts in case that wasnt clear enough