Exploring the Fear of Death or Dissolution
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- In this video, Rupert is talks about the fear of dissolution, loss of identity, and the concept of self. He discusses the fear of disappearing and the attachment of identity to thoughts, feelings, and physical form and how recognising oneself as pure awareness and focusing on the experience of being aware can alleviate the fear. By resting in this awareness, the old identity gradually fades away, and a deep sense of immortality and eternity emerges, dispelling the fear of death.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Have you experienced the fear of dissolution or lost identity
01:46 Understanding the peace of sleep
03:28 Afraid that thoughts, feelings, sensations, and perceptions disappear
04:10 Investing our identity into objects
05:31 Fear of disappearing
06:19 Feeling incomplete and lack
07:02 What is the remedy for this fear of death?
08:23 I am aware of “I”
10:14 What it means to be aware
10:48 Our old identity and thoughts
12:01 The cure for the fear of death
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Who is it that is afraid? Rinse and repeat (this) and plunge down into it in every moment. Cling to it as if your life depended on it. The fear soon fades.
“You” don’t exist. As liberating as it is terrifying.
It starts off being terrifying but then turns terrific
If is that so, why people who have NDE ( Near Death Experiences ) keep the knowledge, memories, awareness, they know the people, they float on the room, or building. When a friend of mine died at a hospital, on the time of death, I suddenly felt a perfume, a fragrance around me for some seconds, her fragrance. After some time, I knew that she died precisely at that time. How can someone explain that ?
Only that which I am not has fears
yes thankyou
I really love this comunity and ppl in the comment section. At least compared to comment sections in general on ytb :/.
This is the most frightening part of the journey. I keep turning away here.
Yes. I get bogged down here too...
True. I had to leave last webinar and distract myself with thoughts because I saw through the ego and I saw the fears coming up and I wanted to avoid non duality. I don't think there is a remedy to avoid the "last fear" when the ego dissolves and consciousness is reveled. But I did get a taste last night that there is something familiar you want to go towards despite the fear but it didn't happen this time even when I didn't try to avoid it.
It is such a fantastic subject and in this area Rupert does have no experience. It is not original to quote the tried and proven, 'die daily'. it is by practice of excellent meditation/ yoga that complete experience is gained. But here Rupert is only talking from his meditative experience, not from the reality that occurs at and beyond death. Like many others, I have died, and I do practice excellent meditation. I can assure you that there is a greater revealling that occure, an immersion into a greater sense of self, a continuation and actually retreat to the next originating body, and perhaps another after that if indeed excellent yoga was gained. But, rest assured, it is a grand journey and all this seems a mere trifling and whimsical joyride afterwards. No one religion has a franchise on the joy of life; by definition it is universal. The loving spirit within wants to expand and grow into its Father and all this plus more is available to you. Fear is the safety mechanism and crucible part and parcel with the bodies survival features. Once dropped, it is no more.
@@andrewcoates1 How do you know Rupert has no experience here? Do you really think he could explain all those feelings of oneness, of no time, of true love, if he did not have the experience? Maybe you are confused because he says: "I have never experienced the disappearance of myself", but this is something very different from losing your identity.
carmenl163 exactly what i thought
I am not afraid of going to sleep everynight because I get up next morning with same body/mind/thoughts. But death is full stop for all of this. So I am afraid of it
Who is this "I"?
Love you Rupert, THANK YOU FOR MAKING YOUR TEACHINGS AVAILABLE to the WORLD. Your teaching are PRICELESS, They ARE LIBERATION, PURE LIBERATION. So, so GRATEFUL to the UNIVERSE to YOU!! Love you!!!
If I knew I would not awake anymore, I´d be affraid to sleep. I´m not affraid of sleep because I know at least I´m habituated to wake up in the morning being myself again.
What is that waking up though? And is death itself not just another kind of awakening? Your loved ones will suffer because your body will be left…but you will be awake.
@@Karen-us3ls When I am, there´s death. When there´s death I am no more. So, we don´t feel death. Simple as that.
The emptying of the false self and the awareness of it is true freedom! The more empty and detached I become , the more fulfilled I feel in an innate way 🙏🏻
I want to get there Debra :(
but im terrified of dissolution..
when I feel even the slight bit of dissolving great fear arises...
Any advice? :(
@@jakelerms1935 Have you advanced on this by now? I find myself in the same situation. Whenever I get closer to the openness this fear and feeling of never being able to let go comes up. The dissolution of ego just seems overwhelmingly too terrifying.
@@jakelerms1935 You handled your previous death pretty well, you are reading this comment completely intact
Truth. This man should be the highest order in spiritual understanding
".." I take the shape of All experience.., no thing harms me.." ☺️ Magnificent! Blessings and Thank you again, much Love 💕
"It is the person you imagine yourself to be that suffers, not you." (Nisargadatta Maharaj)
So much beauty from those simple words.
Wish the experience would come more easy.
Yet: Be at ease
Don't listen to the scattered mind.
Be patient!
Accept all that comes and goes, all that which stays for a while longer,
beliefs and doubts
All colours of moods.
Thank you for the insights!
3 magic words " I am aware".. 🙏💗🙏
by faaaar Rupert Spira makes the most logical sense when it comes to philosophy of self. Any other so called Teacher, might feel this, but does not come near explaining it as well as Rupert... of course I get that Rupert Spira is just an image as well that is experienced
Rupert is great, but I think that Roger Castillo's teaching is even clearer. But to each his own.
Dr. Nagy Arnold Rupert Spurs: “I’ve never experienced the disappearance of myself”
Therefore, without wanting to sound disrespectful in any way, shape or form, that means this is just his best guess or opinion.
I’m a realist, I want people to keep an open mind on what happens upon death. I like listening to Spira but I wouldn’t call him a ‘teacher’. Philosopher or seeker, yes, but teacher, no not in my opinion.
Death as I see it is not something to fear regardless. Of all the outcomes that seem most logical to me, death as Mark Twain wrote seems logical I.e “ I don’t fear death, I was dead for billions of years before I was born and never suffered the slightest inconvenience from it” or as an alternative, the version Spira represents in this talk I.e we won’t know, it’ll be as though we never were (if I’m understanding this talk properly) and therefor we need not worry.
Anyway just my take on all of this, again just my opinion on it.
Must say though the most fascinating question I always find myself pondering is, what is this all about, life? Where do we all come from? Was it a lucky accident (or unlucky depending on who you ask)? Was it creation? What is it all about? Is there a point?
It’s something I ask myself often when, on a cloudless night, I stand in the back garden and stare up into that big void and cast my eyes across the stars. It makes me feel so small and insignificant haha. Hope I make sense.
I think when Rupert said "I’ve never experienced the disappearance of myself", he was refering to himself as consciousness.
TheScaryGermanGuy ahhhhh ok valid point. Look the thing I ponder on most is what am I? And what happens after this? If anything. I mean is it not the most fascinating subject ?
@@mementomori4355 I have studied religion from cultures around the world, old and new, philosophies about what may be true, science in all forms esp quantum theory, I've looked at nature with discerning eyes and discovered patterns repeating from macro to micro, I've studied the connection between sound, geometry, and mathematical grids. I am not tooting my own horn, i am just giving some background. Im sure I'm leaving so much out. Shamanism, Toltec sorcery, alchemy, you get the point. I have had a burning need to have understanding of who I am and what I am, where i am and what is this whole experience of life, where does it come from and how and why; all the deep questions to life I have needed to understand since I was very young, since probably about 6 or 8 I began to really wonder. However i could not get any satisfactory answers from any adult or priest at the local church. I began with the bible. Its all i knew to do to begin finding answers. Then I didn't take much from the bible except that I was moved by the words of Jesus. The rest was stories and history and bored young me. It was a chance encounter with the abstract concept of sorcery that began to move my mind beyond its borders which were pretty much non-existent anyway as i too am very open minded and consider all possibilities. I began using weed to expand my awareness into unfamiliar places and mushrooms and acid later which to this day have given me so very much for the little cash spent. Priceless experiences, knowledge in the form of visions, the experience of the co-mingling of senses and extra sensory experience. The books of Toltec sorcery started my quest official tho. I had to keep going. I have satisfied every question I have ever pondered except a select few that aren't too important anyway. I still keep an open mind as to details as to how and why but I have found the key that fits every lock for me personally. Not sure why I'm describing this at random with background and all hahaha I'm doing this just as much just to do it as i am to receive any replies. I'll finish this thought
I love this video! My husband has been diagnosed recently with pancreatic cancer which has metabolized into his liver. So we have been thinking about death a lot lately. This video explains it very well and gives me peace. Thank you Rupert you do what you do so well ❤
Love is forever in shared being with him
Thank you for your videos Rupert, It took a while to find a guru without all the new age bs :)
I think my fear isn’t so much about “me” dying, but more about the thought of my children and loved ones being left to deal with me dying. This is where I break down and fall into sadness. :(
Have you made any advances on this?
@@ToriKo_ I think so. By keeping the grand overarching perspective in mind, by knowing that time is an illusion, and by knowing that it’s all just as it should be, helps me with this. There’s much more to it than that, but that’s the nutshell gist of it.
@@snaprickharper2815 thanks for your response
Hi there. I totally relate to your comment. I have cancer and I not only have had the sudden and fleeting experience of the dissolution of the body and this world but I abide in awareness. When this sadness of others especially of our youngest son 13 over the disappearance of my body and person I come to see that this will be part of their path and wisdom in a kind of way. I lost my dad when I was 19 and it was thanks to him that all my adult life I have been in yoga seeking and wanting to understand this inner eternal feeling that I always had, an instinct telling me “you don’t die no one does…” Sat Nam my friend.
My take on it is that your perspective right now is ultimately real to you in terms of identity, along with the story you assume and attach yourself to. Eventually everything will fade along with the attachments you made throughout “this life time” but those are simply objects and perspectives in your singular consciousness. None of your perceptions exist without your consciousness and your participation within them. It’s all you. When this is over you will wake up on another level and understand it’s been just you this entire time. Form is the dance and illusion of separation because it’s fun to forget about for a little while. I admire your capacity to love, at the same time that is what we are. Love is all that is
I'm afraid of falling asleep, it makes me anxious every night. :( I try, but I can't do anything to free myself from that.
Why are you not afraid to go to sleep at night? Because you’re pretty likely going to wake up. It’s a nice little break from consciousness. Death is a break that lasts FOREVER. And while forever is nothing to a consciousness that doesn’t exist, it certainly seems like a long time to my current consciousness. Like, let’s admit that it’s the forever part that is what terrifies us. Or, at least me. 🤷🏻♀️
The knowledge that all the people you love and the circumstances around that will never come again, is overbearing.
"I Love going to sleep" Thank you Rupert!
9:20: = "I am aware pervades your entire experience;there is no experience without it;instead of giving your attention to what u R aware of : my thoughts,feelings,of the sight of this room...give your attention to that experience of being aware...& allow your attention to come back to itself,just to rest in itself;that experience is peace;& as u abide as that more & more,this old identity will just gradually wither away as a result of neglect...because it is no longer being fed by your attention or interest...give a loving attention to yourself...That is the cure for the fear of death,because ,from the background,this certainty begins to emerge :"I am eternally aware"..."I am the knowing which floods all experience",emerge as a conviction "I never go anywhere,I cannot be harmed,I don't die",u forget about your fear of death;it just will no longer visit u.
we are not afraid of going to sleep because, somehow we are certain that we will wake up again. tell somebody that he/she will die while asleep and you will see that s/he is not happy at all.
You said it.. why the questioner did not point it to Rupert..? I was waiting for it in fact.. thank you
Thank you so much for helping me to understand so much more . Blessing to you and all others . With love from Denmark .
I am "aware" you rock....thank you for pointing!!
That was transformative! Thank you so much for sharing this!
When one sleeps, he knows he will wake up and connect with what he thinks he is. But after death, he isn't sure which is why the fear ..
Powerful stuff! Thanks Rupert.
Great. So direct and clear. Thanks. It's so convenient for the current situation we are living.
It’s so exciting to know this , I can barely understand it and hardly contain myself. With this knowing.
I disagree with the sleep analogy somewhat, although I get the point Rupert is making. The reason we don't fear sleep, as Rupert says, is because it gives us a break from the mind, a few hours of restoration and respite. The reason we fear death is because death is not analogous to sleep in that respect; there is no break. A break implies that we'll wake back up again in our mind. Death is not a break. Death is a permanent loss of who we think we are. Note that for people who haven't achieved spiritual realization, who we think we are is simply our minds, thoughts, emotions, bodies. That's why death is so scary.
Ronan Mahony 😊death is the break from the dream that we like to think of as our life😉. If you have realised your true nature, you'r know that there is no such thing as death. That's only a concept, an ideal that happening within the dream. So relax, you are not going anwhere, as Rupert says😊😘.
Ronan Mahony u
Ronan Mahony what will I be aware of when I die though ? Will it just be eternal emptiness ? Or will I be able to experience another human form ? How does it work ?
With this understanding that we are not individual people who live and die but are the one eternal consciousness, then I guess we could 'be' or have the same 'i awareness' experience in or as any number of life forms infinite times!
@De fff Your argument builds on the false premise that self-preservation is something that has been taught by materialistic society. It's a hereditary, subconscious process, it's "built-in" by default.
so clear and precise explanations 🙏
Thankyou Rupert you are so comforting
Beautiful. Thank you.
this one helped me understand the sense 'i am' alot clearer
Thank you Rupert.
When I go to sleep, I am still me in my dreams. My personality, the choices I make... My dream-character or dream-self is still me. I often dream of different versions of my town where many things are the same, yet many things are different. I also feel that I have experienced things from before this life, yet something tells me that some of my personality has carried over.
love it...this old referance of a self that is thoughts sensations desires etc will fade ...die...as we focus on awareness as the peral not the circustance... i am the knowing that floods all experience... got it and it is me & i am it
If at least once, we could be aware ,as soon as we get awake from deep sleep, before the arising of"I"feeling,we will come to know that we simply exist, without body, mind and world.This experience along with Rupert's pointing will go a long way to understand that only body dies
Excellent video as always. Thank you.
"I've never experienced the disappearance of myself" LOL. Too troo Roo. I really needed to hear this, I've been really bogged down in the little bundle of thoughts and feelings lately. Phew!
Very clear.
Beautiful
YOU can never die. Only illusions die, truth is immortal.
I am glad to have found this video. It has somewhat put my mind at ease. Thank you so much.
Incredibly beautiful 💙🐬 Thank you 🙏
I Am Aware, that I loved this teaching! Now I know what, ' I Am Aware' means and, how to go there, BE THERE.
simply great explanation :)
Brilliant
Very well said.
we are NOT afraid to fall asleep because we KNOW, or assume, we will waKe up......
What's so great about waking up?
What's so scary about not waking up.? You won't be there to experience not waking up haha
Gary Bentlage I often wonder that myself , any answers are welcomed. But as a buddihst monk was saying when he got asked " what's there after death " he said : I am a guru , but not a dead guru ( how should I know ) . You get my point , namaste. Still searching .. :(
Gary Bentlage answer is yes. Awareness will be there, sometimes aware of subtle realms and sometimes absorbed into itself. its not a static state.
People have an idea of this constant state of awareness of nothing after death, like an ever lasting sleep but that's the creation of the mind.
I have some certainty on this based on my experiencial insight. i also had this idea of a constant static state of awareness of nothing, but I've seen how in complete absorption into the void there can suddenly be awareness of subtle realms and then go back to complete void. it was a great revelation, my view now is that anything is possible for the divine, set no limits. Basically, awareness will be present.. awareness in void. and certainly in subtle states. Nothing is greater than awareness.
i also say i don't know what will happen after death haha. It's really a great mystery, but i simply don't set limits of what's possible. You're greater than you can ever imagine.
Esoteric Wind I had ptsd and was absolutely terrified to fall asleep.
I fear not being able to think, imagine, fantasize, dream etc. To be in a complete state of nothingness sounds absolutely boring. Then again I will not be aware of it, and all my thoughts and memories from the waking state will cease to exist. So in that case it does not really matter what i think of it.
Beautiful!
I love this guy!
Superb!
Great.....
Thank you !
Abide in awareness
perfect sense...
THIS VIDEO IS THE MOST DEAR TO ME THUS FAR.
Magnificent!
I have seen the other side. It is more real than this. Unfortunately not many people by accident or otherwise have seen the other side. I can't ask you to believe me because belief is wrong. Knowing is right. Your body and brain have convinced you that you will end. It is this fear that makes you ask other human beings the question. Not a day in my life passes without asking the question. I know exactly the terror that the mind undergoes when confronted by its ending. Although I have seen this present existence to be untrue, in the ordinary everyday human state, my mind fears its end. All I can do to comfort you is to say that we will all be relieved when this is over.
i understand this questioner i feel same
Yes what Rupert says is truth ,when we go to sleep we feel comfortable and happy and not afraid of but when we say we know we wake up ,how sure are we about it when we ourselves are not sure of what is going to happen in the next moment. We need to ask who is that is so sure that will wake up Tom. IS there a Tom, yesterday, today,,there is only the Now ...and we are in no ways sure about anything that is kept in the now ....As long as the Separate Self exists we will fear and think and desire of having yesterday, today and tomorrow
It's said there is a way to maintain your form and body in this life and is the goal after awakening not just knowledge. Rather the marriage of spirit and soul that leads to an immortal body.
This is my experience too.
I associate myself with my unique view-point. I am I and not you because of that! Fear of Death is the fear of loosing that specific view-point. To overcome that fear, one shall suggest that the view-point will not be lost, but perhaps become a part of the universal library. sort off
im afraid of death, not because im afraid to lose my thoughts and feelings reincarnation would be acceptable to me, but im afraid my consciousness will just cease to exist.. I hate the idea of annihilation, whether it will bother me when im dead or not, regardless it bothers me now.. it would be like never having existed at all.. He said when you sleep you don't cease to exist, many masters say the true self observes the blank during deep sleep, but i don't see it that way to me its like fading from existence for a time and returning, like how some particles do in physics im not afraid of going to sleep because im sure i'll wake up.. I just don't want to permanently disappear, i wish i had assurance but i don't believe in wishful thinking.. Ramana maharshis enlightenment for example was a tremendous fear of death, then he realized he was not the body and suddenly believed he will live forever, i mean no disrespect he was definitely a great sage and teacher, but he came to this conclusion with no evidence just belief.. i wish i could get past this fear, it traps me in Nihilism
W S it wasnt belief, it was experience for maharshi. You will experience it as well as you go a bit further. Right now you are equating annihilation with the loss of your sense of me, which of course will have to go. But unidentified awareness remains, through sleep through death. Was there ever a time where there wasnt awareness? Its not possible. There arent different times, there is just all time, right now right here. Poof a form explodes “into” existence, then is “gone” some time after. Language gets difficult here you must live it, just keep watching and soon WS will drop away ;)
dear w. s., thank you for your frank words, which touch me very much, did you continue down the path and got somewhere?
well yeah. but if someone told you before bed that you would not be waking up in the morning, you probably would not be thrilled to go to sleep. so comparing the final end of your human life to going to sleep at night is kind of completely different.
I had to laugh at this one. This sweet man and his innocent question. The sound of his voice. “Yeah.” And the fear in the voice. I remember when I was on this cusp. It is definitely not a theory like he said. Once you want to know, you become aware it was inevitable anyway.
we invest on ideas = heaven and hell, concepts = religions.
True religion is not about concepts. It is what is beyond concepts.
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes Calamity of so long life
Quit the Night/Seek the Day I have heard this verse from Hamlet many times ... but I am just understanding it...Thank you.
"denial, when properly applied, is a good thing." B-) I very much appreciate what Rupert speaks to, though the existence of our own consciousness seems a rather mysterious gift, there seems to be no evidence that it can exist without a platform like our living brain and no real evidence that it existed prior to our biological conception. As a child half way through one summer I got saddened that it was "half way over." When there were only two weeks remaining, it occurred to me that I might have better enjoyed the 2nd half of the summer if I'd not been so busy lamenting its pending doom. CHEERS ! B-)
Hit the nail right on the head, start from 10:15, is it self-inquiry.
The peace of sleep is wonderful, but I am left wondering what the function of dreams and especially nightmares is all about. Bad dreams are more powerful, than waking nightmares, and can disturb us in the waking world far more effectively than a lurking murderer.
If is that so, why people who have NDE ( Near Death Experiences ) keep the knowledge, memories, awareness, they know the people, they float on the room, or building. When a friend of mine died at a hospital, on the time of death, I suddenly felt a perfume, a fragrance around me for some seconds, her fragrance. After some time, I knew that she died precisely at that time. How can someone explain that ?
just be aware, it will go away. makes sense
I personally would be afraid of my feelings and thoughts to disappear because it would not feel like it's me anymore... I would think :/
Rebeca Osuna it never was you to begin with ;)
I was thinking about this and realized that I am a completely different person with different thoughts, dreams, wishes, perceptions and problems than the person I was as a child.
But I am still the same "me".
So far, this is as near as I can get my head around the so-called death of the person while awareness continues.
I’m don’t experience any peace at sleep, only intense nightmares and no cessation of “self”
Deep inside we really don't fear our death. What we fear is the death of others by seeing us in them.
You say that I am pure awareness. What am I in deep sleep? Is there awareness in deep sleep? Is there pure awareness in death? Is my brain required for my awareness?
Don't try to get rid of that fear.
With sleep we know or at least we are fairly certain (however misplaced that certainty may be) that this collection called me will reappear when I wake up. With death it is certain that no reappearance will happen. So death and sleep are not the same. So just bcoz I don’t fear sleep doesn’t mean I don’t fear death.
Exactly
Death is a permanent deep sleep its more scary then staying awake for eternity
I am also afraid to sleep.
Why wouldn't I be afraid of a sleep that never ends? I'm not sure I follow this totally.
why be afraid of the inevitable, from what I have seen of the dying, most are not afraid, they accept, what else is there to do.
It’s hardwired into us otherwise we’d be extinct by now
🙏🙏
When i close my eyes, everything seems to desepears. Except the feeling/knowing of i. But even the i, i am not
8:20: = the remedy for this fear is very simple : just look at yourself.Ask yourself "what do I refer to when I say 'I' ?".Go there,take the thought I...I am aware of my body,of this room,of these words,I am aware of this,of that;just stop with the 'I am aware'.Every experience contains it:"I am miserable","I'm happy",I am sick,
It is rather simple, as Rupert says. You could say that all the sound and fury about death actually boils down to a simple case of mistaken identity and, that is all. It is not about believing this because it is a matter of investigating identity directly.
Is it true that, other than by way of some imaginative fusion, (as if in a dream) we cannot be what we can know? If so, then simply being what we really are does not even require us to know anything at all, at the source.
When you disappear there is nothing it's not like anything you can only experience it but there is nothing the ultimate one you are seeking dogs in a dull lamp type golden light you can only experience through jumping into the abiss but the journey back will try you could not imagine in your wildest dreams it is the darkest coldest hottest desert you will ever go through I have had the most incredible Devine experiences all my life
Only by being confused,realisation emerges.
I, as an object, invested as an essential observationer/watcher, and the opening to, conditioned to, empty knowing,that may sort out object with itself?
Funny, I was afraid to fall asleep for a period of 2 yrs. It felt like dying. There have still been nights when the thought comes that I may die tonight. I have a certain peace about it now.
❤
So does that essential Awareness beyond the objects of awareness and the small identity not extinguish with the death of the physical brain?
How do you know that all knowledge accumulated inthis life disappears with dying/? Why is it possible that family members , friends who have died can make contact with their lovend ones here if they have no knowledge of what happened here on earth. I know not everyone experiences this.,but there are those that do.
I follow your teaching with serieus interest and find your approach very enlightening. Thank you , Margaret
of course people dont fear falling asleep, because they know they are likely going to wake up and have everything still there that they left when they went to sleep
Hii Rupert, Good Morng 🙂
When we sleep, we become free of worldly thoughts< feelings, feel happy to fall asleep. But when some one dies, the body never wakes up it buried etc. We see people dying around & that feels so sad. So how to leave the body like goto sleep happily each night ?
My fear is different, I have anxiety because i,m afraid my mind wil prevent me from abiding in self. Because i suffer severe mind attacks and they veil the connection with self. I,m scared i will lose this battle..
mayaa tatam idam sarvam
jagad avyakta-murtina
mat-sthani sarva-bhutani
na caham tesv avasthitah (Chapter 9 Verse 4 of Bhagawat Geetha)
that jawline tho
I love my sleep but I like waking up in the morning next to my wife.
Exactly 🙂