If Chrollo Steals Your Ability Can You Make a New One? | HxH

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  • @ManganimistYT
    @ManganimistYT  วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    What do yall think?
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  • @crannogman6289
    @crannogman6289 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    When you point out how much effort goes into creating a hatsu, it makes Ging casually poaching them seem pretty monstrous.

    • @SolidSnake240
      @SolidSnake240 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He doesn't "casually poach" them though. He can only copy physical attack type Nen abilities. And "copy" isn't even the right word, he can analyze the ability to such a degree that he can replicate it. But again, only physical abilities.

  • @mayankbhaskar8545
    @mayankbhaskar8545 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

    Haha doesn't the tiktok ban thing feel a bit like deja vu

  • @achraf7416
    @achraf7416 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    I think another big things that makes it impossible to make another nen ability is the nen limitations you set for your ability, while most of these restrictions only affect your ability, others affect you and your nen, for example morel made it so that he can only manipulate smoke made by his pipe, he literally cannot manipulate anything else besides that, and that's a huge restrictions since he is a master manipulator and he has sacrificed so much range for this one ability, he could manipulate all kind of things, or even his pipe to come back to him if it got lost lol, so if he loses his nen ability, he is stuck with those restrictions and he can't do anything with his nen type!

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sounds verrrryyy unlikely.
      This is surely not how it works, the Powers get 'stolen' after all, not copied, let alone 'outsourced'.
      If Morels Ability is lost, why in the world would he have to Powr Chrollos Use of it by still wielding that Pipe?

  • @ShadowFox10587O
    @ShadowFox10587O วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Despite being an enhancer he was still very skilled in conjuration and manipulation. He was actually a very talented nen user he just needed to rework his ability a little. Drop the double ganger gimic and make an ability like razor's. Summon one/multiple nen beast that act on their own under certain orders and have them as backup while he fights with the tiger fist thing.

  • @TKUltra971
    @TKUltra971 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    This is a great question. If you lose a skill, do you lose the affinity for whatever it was associated with on the chart? Can you relearn it? There's a bunch of restrictions to learn other's skills. So what if someone just took Crollo's book? Hmm.

    • @Alkhemia8
      @Alkhemia8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      as in took the physical book or like stole his ability? he could just dismiss the book for the former but the latter if they stole his ability they should be able to use everything in the book and use the book to steal other things since it all one ability they won't get bookmark tho. I don't think they any restriction from just remaking your hatsu after it stolen but you most likely have to start from scratch we not really seen the aftermath of perma stolen abilities beside the one mafia girl but she was not a trained nen user so she could not remake her hatsu

  • @SilkBuckets
    @SilkBuckets วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Tbh we need Magnus carlsen vs komugi

  • @babaG819
    @babaG819 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I think it depends on the "restriction" known to the user or otherwise. I would say of course they COULD but it might require a severe sacrifrice depending on the requirments

  • @tjadams98
    @tjadams98 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think a slightly more interesting question is; could you create the same Hatsu that was stolen. I still want to lean toward yes, but maybe not.
    Given that abilities disappear from chrollos book after they die means they either have some sort of connection with their ability still, or it’s just a condition of bandits secret. Either way, it’s hard to answer.

  • @shisuiedits
    @shisuiedits วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    kinda neat how some of these rules probably apply to ging

  • @KoreyConsoli
    @KoreyConsoli วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The only channel we watching every ad, every video!!! 🎉🎉

  • @Forbiddensirenz
    @Forbiddensirenz วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Weird. I thought this question in my head like a day ago then this popped up lmao

  • @Kemecgabriel
    @Kemecgabriel วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for the video!! Loved it!! And it all makes sense!!!! You answered all my questions, thank you!! Now I'm curious if we will end up seeing someone develop a new hatsu after Chrolo stealing theirs, I'd love the character development that would come from that! Also, your answer made me think back to how difficult it was for Gon to learn his paper hatsu and it helped it sink in how difficult it is for someone to learn a hatsu, and that is from a nen protegee, normal users would struggle so much more!! And then there's his dad just casually imitating and then improving other people's attack hatsu!!! The freaking monster holy f*ck!!

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Whetever Nen-Memory and Ability-Slots are the same concept or not, either way, Ability-Slots should have been mentioned in this video. Thats for sure. People can very obviously not create infinite Hatsu or they just wouuld. If anyone finally created a VIdeogame about Nen, a Dice would be nice to decide how many Open Slots you get, though the 6 should probably count as 1

  • @shelbywilliams5912
    @shelbywilliams5912 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I slightly disagree with the Pika example that you gave.. cuz I feel as though even though the fingers have different abilities all the chains are connected at the wrist then fingers.. personally I would think they're all one technique just multifaceted I would liken it to Jajaken as paper scissors and rock are all the same technique but they cover different categories

    • @Luiz-qe7hk
      @Luiz-qe7hk วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      But jajaken is a different hatsu, thats why its emission and transmutation, theyre just similar

    • @shelbywilliams5912
      @shelbywilliams5912 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Luiz-qe7hk IMO it's the technique

  • @Maverick-65
    @Maverick-65 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That's a really good question.

  • @tylercafe1260
    @tylercafe1260 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The grander implication is that you can have multiple Hatsus. We've been showcasing the physical abilities of the characters, what nen is on a basic level, and now we're seeing true advanced Nen practices. Chrollo ability "Bandits Secret" already proves you can in fact have multiple Hatsus. His Bookmark was completely unnecessary but it showcased that yes you can totally make new nen abilities. The restrictions on them however don't seem to be very well explained. Chrollo talks about how his condition is annoying for the bookmark but we never really know how that's possible. Then let's take Netero for example. He was literally the embodiment of perfecting a singular technique. Which was proven to not be enough. Look at Gon on Greed Island. What was Gin trying to teach? The cards. The cards were all multiple Hatsus you can use without any training. Which is crazier when you really sit there and take in the reality of just how strong and impressive Greed Island is from a Nen Standpoint. Imagine Chrollo with a Greed Island book. That's how I got to this train of thought. There's already so many cases of multiple Hatsus existing we just don't think about it too hard.
    Also isn't it interesting the abilities shown to use multiple Hatsus are always a book? Wonder what's the connection.

  • @hitogi06
    @hitogi06 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The memory overload is the use of multiple abilities at once beyond one capacity, not memory storage. The dude was manipulating a double while using his technique all at once. Its like trying to right two different essays with both hand at the same time.

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Whetever Nen-Memory and Ability-Slots are the same concept or not, either way, Ability-Slots should have been mentioned in this video. Thats for sure. People can very obviously not create infinite Hatsu or they just wouuld. If anyone finally created a VIdeogame about Nen, a Dice would be nice to decide how many Open Slots you get, though the 6 should probably count as 1

  • @meikohan3630
    @meikohan3630 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Ooof, the comments here are better than those on Tiktok.

  • @dazeen9591
    @dazeen9591 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've seen some limits thrown around that you can only have 2-4 abilities as your "memory" can take more... but can you create and "forget" an ability to open space for new ones ? Idk.

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      WWell, the Worldrecord-Holder is Kurapika with a whopping 7 Abilities,
      tho its unclear and questioned by some if his Chains are actually ONE Ability named something 'Chain-Set'

    • @dazeen9591
      @dazeen9591 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @slevinchannel7589 well Kurapika doesn't count since most of his abilities only work in Emperor Time which gives him 100% proficiency in all nen categories + all his abilities are relatively basic

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dazeen9591 "Most"?
      ...Thats not right in the face of math...

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dazeen9591 "Basic"?
      As the biggest HxH-TH-camr says "Each of his ABilities by themselves would be amazing for any single Nen-User to have, let alone all of them"

    • @dazeen9591
      @dazeen9591 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @slevinchannel7589 biggest usually means they're a bad content creator

  • @rustyshackleford7763
    @rustyshackleford7763 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    DAMN THAT CHROLLO! FIRST THE KAKIN SACRED TREASURES NOW THIS?! HE MUST BE STOPPED

  • @noxkurosaki4213
    @noxkurosaki4213 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Using a different nen type isn't necessarily an issue. We have seen plenty of other characters do that, Zeno who is an emitter when he is shaping dragons (transmutation), Ikarugo who is an enhancer (he can possess and manipulate corpses) and turn his tentacle into a gun, Razor is conjuring nen beasts, etc...
    I think Kastro issue sterns from the fact that he chose a too high level manipulation and conjuration ability without imposing some limitations first.
    Also, when Chrollo steals another people ability, it's still technically "theirs", right ? So can they still add limitations on their abilities even though they can't use it anymore, just to mess up with Chrollo 🤔

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, but out of your exaples Ikalgo sure is different
      A very, very strange andconfusing Case

  • @SylvesterRahim
    @SylvesterRahim วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    But still how does stealing it even work? I mean it would be 1 thing if you lost your ability to use nen. I get copying but the idea of stealing seems strange.

    • @SylvesterRahim
      @SylvesterRahim วันที่ผ่านมา

      It would make more sense if he was stealing your nen as well which is why he may need you to touch the book and if that is the case I don’t think you can make another ability without some kind of exorcism which would probably result in the ability being removed from the book.

  • @bluemassgamer17
    @bluemassgamer17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have a question. Can kurapika ability evolve? So that he can use judgement chain on tserinech( the emperor crimson prince)

    • @yargolocus4853
      @yargolocus4853 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He can evolve it by adding abilities (like bookmark of chrollo).bookmark makes it possible to bypass the condition of having to hold the book with a page open. In same way, it could be possible in theory to make an ability to bypass the self imposed restriction of only using the judgement chain on spiders.
      One concept would be to grant someone a temporary phantom troupe membership via yet another chain. The problem with that is the user's interpretation and nature. Kurapika is never going to become a spider, let alone their leader. He has no authority to make more spider legs, nor would he ever want to do so. It is inconceivable for him specifically to create an ability that expands the phantom troupe, since he is hellbent on destroying it for good

    • @bluemassgamer17
      @bluemassgamer17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @yargolocus4853 but once he finds out the prince has his friends head, along with the other scarlet eyes. Could that realization and hatred make his ability to evolve further?

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What yargolocus says is true but i think you, bluenassgamer, meant more specificaly to alter the 'Range' of the 'Vow' itself, yah?
      To that i say: Technically he can move Goalposts for his Vows, yes,
      but what you describe would be so utterly far, it would take years or even decades. I bt on the later.
      Plz edit your original comments typo of a 'missing space' around the bracket plz though

  • @GemuelCarlPNava
    @GemuelCarlPNava วันที่ผ่านมา

    What if theres a multiple personality nen user with different nen ability

    • @RogerVenn
      @RogerVenn วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The author did it kind of in Yuyu Hakusho with Shinobu Sensui

  • @kevink1391
    @kevink1391 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1:45 he stole two abilities from one ability the hand and moon no?

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No, that's one ability, its just nameed after 2 things,
      haha

  • @LeoBeastmode
    @LeoBeastmode วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do we know what actually happens on targets who Chrollo steals hatsu from? Is it that they forget they ever had the ability or is it they just aren't able to use it?
    If it's the former, that's an incredibly crazy manipulation of memories! If someone has talent, making a new hatsu is mostly just a bit of time and in a way it kind of works like a malevolent exorcism that takes away positive vows with yourself.
    If it's the latter, I can see it being a potential positive in that a nen user can learn from the limitations of their previous hatsu and make something better if they tried. In the world of nen, I don't feel it's that limiting to start over but it would wholly depend on the period of life of the user. But these are the supposed self-reflection geniuses of humanity. Even a chess master could probably quickly grasp another game if he was basically forced to at gunpoint (with the "at gunpoint" being "you can no longer play chess").

  • @rhyzienferrycabaelgalado4383
    @rhyzienferrycabaelgalado4383 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hello i just have a good theory or not its about beyond netero i just think that he wants the zodiacs come with him in dc cause he needs them to fight alongside with him or have same goal to get the treasure on there or just to have higher survival rate think about it that even netero himself his dad its struggling just surviving there and with the other with him zzig and linnet and there chance that don help them to just survive.
    I know that beyond netero gone to go himself in dc and get the treasure and survive so he is surely strong but think about it why he changed the course of there routes maybe something get him away in route like sea monster or something else that is makes him change it the route maybe he saw something there that another treasure but get him trouble anyway he get himself zombie diseases and he use the metalion to get him to not die or to resist the zombie disease

  • @naufalwildan9688
    @naufalwildan9688 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How about ging abilities?

  • @kalialiah346
    @kalialiah346 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Doesn't Shalnark say that he could just make another hatsu?

  • @DaityaGod
    @DaityaGod วันที่ผ่านมา

    Scarlet eyes doesn't have powers
    It's just kurapika's condition to flip his affinity
    He was born with dual affinity
    Instead of losing one
    All he did was use scarlet eyes as a trigger to switch

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Uhm ,yeah, thats just your headcanon and it goes against what we see from Canon.
      Plz dont be so r/confidentlyincorrect. Having your inerpetation, even f its wild and a tad senseless, is ok,
      but acting and sounding like its all absolute turth that only YOU possess... we.... we call that cringe

  • @SilkBuckets
    @SilkBuckets วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ive lowkey thought about that, like why wouldnt u be able to? tbh couldnt u just remake the same ability but slightly different 😂. And oh shit chrollos the one stealing tiktok, who knows how skill hunter gets upgraded after that

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, probably takes a few Months or even a Year for a normal User
      But is limited by Ability-Slots, which as a topic is kinda the fanbase's big blindspot

  • @naufalwildan9688
    @naufalwildan9688 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Zeno believes that chrollo abilities is to seal nen in that book. This is only zeno's conjecture but this implies that he can use all nen abilities from whom he steal.
    People whose nen stolen can't use nen anymore.
    The evidence is hisoka can beat kortopi and shalnark so easily. Even though they can't use their ability. They are still good enough to at least survive if they can use nen.
    The reason they got beaten so easily is because they can't use nen for their nen is sealed in chrollo's book.
    This is different from leol he only uses the other ability. So the people whom he borrow the skill can use nen but can't uses ability. But still can use nen.

    • @naufalwildan9688
      @naufalwildan9688 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @slevinchannel7589 you don't even reply to my argument

    • @Haunt888
      @Haunt888 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      nah I think Chrollo just steals the hatsu, coz shalnark when he talks to Chrollo said he doesn't need it atm meaning he can fight using the four basics
      also you're ignoring the fact that Hisoka is postmortem Hisoka, even if they do have their hatsu they'll still get clapped easily, so it doesn't really matter if they really couldn't use nen that time coz it wouldn't matter even if they can, all in all they definitely can use nen
      also inb4 Neon, she's a special case (no pun intended) she doesn't know nen, to begin with

  • @GemuelCarlPNava
    @GemuelCarlPNava วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can gon learns new nen ability?

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hard to say. He already has 3 so its very unlikely but not impossibe
      Or maybe it IS actually impossible - its weird with how 'Ability-Sets' count or dont cont, Togashi should really clear this up.
      Most Fans dont even use the word Memory-Space or Ability-Slots, its really the Fanbase's blind spot

    • @Haunt888
      @Haunt888 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@slevinchannel7589 nah it's just the same hatsu just applied differently 😂 so only really has one hatsu

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @ I dont see what's so funny.
      But yeah, people do argue. You just listed 'one random one' out of the 'reasons for one side'. Im not impressed? There ARE reasons to believe 'Ability-Sets' are a Thing

    • @GemuelCarlPNava
      @GemuelCarlPNava 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@slevinchannel7589 I just thought that maybe its possible, I mean nen ability is deeply rooted in one's personality and desires, good example would be kastro, and cheetu, kastro acts on his desires to have an ability he cant use efficiently, while cheetu developed an ability without thinking because he can get another one, if its deeply rooted in once personality maybe gon see different perspective now and since he might train from scratch again maybe he can developed another ability, or another subset of ability like texture surpise and bungee gum, bandits secret and double face, storywise i dont see gon jajankening some dark continent beast, maybe he will gain some complementary nen ability like everytime he hit an opponent without being parriend or block his overall power in physical combat increases like an alternate version of ripper cyclotron however it resets if block or parried

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@GemuelCarlPNava Yeah, i never said he absoultely cant. I said we dont know.
      Its likely even he has at least 1 aBility-Slot open if Jajanken counts as One Hatsu, not very likely but absolutely not impossible if it counts as 3 things
      Btw, cheetuh got his Abilitys from Pouf, which manyfans dont notice or remember

  • @kiri374
    @kiri374 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    chrollo will steal your channel

  • @Shadowstaarr
    @Shadowstaarr วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Can someone who's ability was stolen even use Nen still? We've only seen the reaction of Neon, who doesn't no Nen to begin with. Its possible that copying the technique acts as a pseudo-Hatsu block

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Then use Orchamz Razor and say 'Yeah duh. Chrollos ability isnt to seal all Nen, it never was.' Of course thy can still use other Hatus,
      let alone stuff like En

    • @Shadowstaarr
      @Shadowstaarr 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @slevinchannel7589 I was only suggesting two possible scenarios, that copy could leave a person without the ability to use Nen at all, similar to Gon after the election arc, or it blocks ANY expression of Hatsu, leaving them unable to create a new one. Both of those options would prevent someone from making a new Hatsu. We've only seen Neon address not being able to use her power, but since she didn't know any other tenets she wouldn't comment on being unable to use Ren or anything. We also didn't see Kortopi or Shalnark fight Hisoka, the other characters we've seen who leant their powers to Chrollo.