I'm a newer mechanical keyboard enthusiast and I have really enjoyed your channel and your blog - your content is very interesting and I've learned quite a bit from you and Jake. And as an Asian American female, it is really nice to see you hosting these videos! Thanks to you and Jake for sharing your knowledge and keep up the great work!
seconded, same here. also a big thanks from me! recently just finished some first modding and am waiting on my keychron right now to mod further and also change keycaps (still ABS and no PBT *sad plastic noises*) and to get into this this channel has been a big help! my GMK GB set from that I ordered will arrive next year LOL
@@idontwantonamethischannel I was looking at keyboards and they all looked like toys. Like I'm a full grown adult I can't sit at my desk with a keyboard that looks like a space ship. That's all it took.
NGL this is the only one video that made me understand the difference between pbt and abs keycaps i keep asking alot of reviews and this is the only one that made me understand it... such an underrated channel u should have a discord for the community
I hate pbt, because I do not like the sound that they give out, and the warping problem. If I had the choice between cheap abs or pbt, I would most likely go with abs.
The difference between high quality and low quality ABS sets is huge. Way bigger than I expected it to be. My favorite set at the moment is now MT3 Susuwatari. I believe it was the first MT3 set in ABS. It's hard going back to PBT sets now.
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I think I'm going to try to grab their version of Miami Nights when its available again! Hope they come out with some other classic colorways. Also, didn't expect a reply. D :
Yeah, high end abs definitely has a feel and sound that can’t be beat. The shine on higher end abs is a little slower as well, and I’ve grown to actually like the look it starts to get. Gmk really is something else when it comes to quality control. Cheers!
Ah, I see it has been reversed. I did that too to my Das Keyboard Professional for mac and it makes typing a joy vs. hitting that sharp edge with my thumbs.
Yeah, flipped space bar for life. Did you see how warped the space bar was on the xda lotus set that was right after the blank white set? Thing was mad warped. Lol
I love your channel! Just came across it now and I just started a hobby of collecting and building mechanical keyboards. Your channel is a such a big help
I do remember some folks on /MK trying to dye pbt keys and it worked, but getting the dye dark/saturated took a lot of time, and I believe they had to heat them as well.
There is another downside of PBT for us typist competitors(yes we regular typeracer), PBT has a lot more grabs( tacky), and friction that during typing competitions, floating typing can be felt stickier and your speed will be impacted. I regularly hover at 130wpm with ABS red or silver switches but will diminish to 110wpm with PBT caps.
My SSK (and 87 model M space saver) has pbt with dye sub and they look basically untouched despite being 30 years old. I can't speak to ABS lasting nearly as long or looking as good, but I *will* say I prefer the sound of my redragon (box jades) with abs caps. I think for most people it's just a matter of personal preference.
7:40 interesting, I just got a set of XDA key caps and am typing 10 wpm faster on it versus cherry profile I was using. I was at around 105WPM now 115 WPM with the XDA. I relaly love how they feel. Giving your finger tips mroe room to touch top of keys, which allows me to type faster. I like how I don't have to lift fingers higher as well as with scultped cherry profile keys.
Thick PBT keycaps can be very heavy and make you feel like you're playing a piano (in my experience). The weight of the key can completely dominate the entire stroke and make a very subtle tactile key like cherry browns feel like crap. They might be great for linears for all I know or maybe very heavy tactile switches. I think textured light ABS is the way to go (for ME). This is based on my negative experience of a Leopold FC750R which was improved by some old ABS. What do you think Betty? Why do people love thicc keycaps so much?
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I should have added I am a very weak and inexperienced typist and I don't game :) also thank you for the inverted space bar tip it's amazing
Haha you read mind about the content I want. I just got my K6 and the switches to put it in. Next step is picking out the right type of keycaps. Thanks for the vid!
I tried the HK gaming keycap set 9009 I think, i.e. the other colour, also on my keychron k6 but the middle row with the enter key was all mushy. The key caps don’t have enough room from the stem so when you bottom out the key, the inside of the keycap will touch the switch housing. This causes a mushy feeling and a different sound all across the middle row. You can really feel the difference when you push down hard on the enter key and it will mush down. Had to return the keycaps.
@@SwitchandClickOfficial After getting a mechanical keyboard thanks to your recommendation, I just can't go back to laptop keyboard. I need another keyboard which is smaller than a TKL that I can bring to work. The TKL is fine but I think I will need something smaller which I can bring around easily. I quiet like 65% size with bluetooth connection. Do you think the bluetooth connection is fine for office use (there maybe other bluetooth devices around and that may mess up with the connectivity I assume)?
When i first bought my first MK, it come with Outemu switch and ABS 2-shot keycaps. Feel great for couple of month until some of the switches start to malfunction and the keycaps began shiny. Then i switch to a more expensive one ( Akko to be precise ) come with Cherry MX Brown and PBT Dye-sub keycap, damn i swear i became a slave to those PBT keycap very much. The feeling when typing on PBT keycap is damn great, smooth compare to the ABS one, not to metion Cherry sw too lol. It make me want to stay on desk, typing with it all day. Great vid btw 👍
So I like 3D printing, and hearing you say "ABS is good with warping" is really unnatural. It almost sounds insane, but it's just a completely different process of creating. For those who are not into 3D printing, ABS is notorious for being difficult to 3D print with and warping all the time, along with being annoying to take care of and just overall not a great material to print with, unless ABS really has the exact right material properties for you.
Have you owned one? The color, the consistency is ahead of the competition. PBT has a problem of warping even on my 99$ sets. I would rather spend an extra price(30-50$) and wait for a better-looking board. (for the waiting time, they are not mass produced so it's quite understandable despite how painful it is.)
@@rheejin9987 i'm not saying that they're bad, i'm saying that they're overpriced and overrated af, like yeah the designs are cool, and they're good quality, but like, they're not even double shot, that i'm aware of, and they're ABS?
@@laplantamichay not sure which keycaps you've seen, but the two i have are doubleshot ABS. Yes they're not shine through, but thats not the only use for doubleshot...
Left-aligned is from typewriter days. It looks classier than centre-aligned. You can find out about typewriters on Wikipedia. Or from your grandparents. :-)
I really needed to know the difference. I also noticed many ABS keys like the ones on some Razer models like V3 of the Blackwidow has this grainy feel to it. I seen that also with Corsair K95 =)
Newbie to mechanical keyboards here. That keychron k6 is a gateron switch, right? Does that mean I can safely buy PBT cherry profile keycaps for a gateron switch?
@@SwitchandClickOfficial thank you! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LuSeaBR_qinNxBPnLV8m5ZZvJweNo6A0wEDvObJ4OMk/edit#gid=0 this one is good for keycaps!
Hi, Need your advice on buying keycaps as I am new to overall mechanical keyboards. How should we go about buying the keycaps. Do we look for keycaps compatible with the keys we have (like Geteron Switch etc) it do we go by the size of original keys that came with keyboards. For example when I did a quick search for 'keycaps' on Amazon, I couldn't see any size mentioned in the listing. Thanks in advance.
@@SwitchandClickOfficial thanks for the reply - I've seen all that but my question was in most listings they don't mention the size or any other spec which we can look for.... So what I am asking, what are we supposed to look for? Do we look for keycaps that fit the keys or these are standard irrespective of the brand of the keys? How do we know the key sizes of not listed and how to make sure they will fit our keys?
Hey, I was wondering if you could recommend an RGB mechanical keyboard for me. I am looking for something tenkeyless or at least like 96% compact like the K4. I have a mac laptop and a PC so I was hoping to get something that worked with both. I'd prefer to spend under $100. Any advice/recommendations?
I've read issues on using cherry profile keycaps on northfacing switches so I kinda hesitating on buying cherry profile but i definitely would want those as my keycaps :(
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Cool thanks! I've never heard of a non-programmable keyboard being upgraded via firmware update. That will be interesting to see if if that's what they do or if it's a hardware plug-in or something. I remember there being a chip you could buy to turn the HHKB into a programmable board.
How do you know if some keycaps wont fit on other keyboards, i was thinking of getting a keychron K2 65% and with it a set of keycaps (bc i kinda think the grey is boring) but i dont know how to check if they would fit my keyboard?
It's a much taller keycap profile switchandclick.com/2020/04/23/ultimate-guide-to-picking-a-keycap-set-for-your-mechanical-keyboard/ There's some helpful pics in here if you're interested in the height of different profiles
I love the chalk key caps but am I the only one who notices that they printed "#" on top of letter 3 sideways? It is supposed to be narrow instead of wide... I get OCD about these things but would love to get them if they fix this letter 3 issue!
do you know where i can get some double shot pbt keycaps with the top row having the media and windows functions with rgb see through? i have the cougar ultimus and it has some nice functions on the top row. most keycaps i see don't have the media functions on them. thanks in advance
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Thanks for your reply. That really sucks when you have functions markings on keycaps and can't find replacements. I'll just have to remember where they are or maybe get them custom made.
You just have to choose the one that suits your typing experience most. Since most of the signature sound of the keycap itself are overshadowed by the sound of the Clicky switch.
Thanks for covering the budget end of keycaps. Would like to see and honest perspective on the differences between budget and expensive keycaps. I.e. is the quality or feel much better or is it just to do with production volumes and colour ways.
what about KAT profile keycaps? i just preordered some KAT explosion: Dye Sub PBT, $30 for alphas, $60 for mods id love to get GMK mecha but i couldn't stomach paying $130 for a kit and then getting shine afterwards I got my Varmilo MIYA Sakura mainly cause of the dye sub PBT keycaps haha
I dislike the keycaps that come with keyboards now in days. So thin and gross sounding. I've been using my Corsair double shot pbts for years now. They are also great. Alot of users don't understand the difference in profiles ether. For the high end I like Kats. But not gonna lie a nice gmk set is always great. Awesome stuff guys. I love the review 👍😍
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Thank you, Betty! I've just ordered(through Amazon) the Epomaker GK96S, after reviewing many of your videos, which are very comprehensive...it helped me a lot... Mine is black case, PBT keycap, and although I wished Optical switch, there was only Mechanical one, and I chose the Brown. Maybe it was possible to order the Optical switch through the Epomaker website, but I've read many bad comments, about way too long waitings, that I decided for Amazon.
do you have an email where we can ask u a million questions? Pretty close in pulling the trigger on my kb but would like to hear from you both in terms of the XP you have garnered over the years and see if im on the right track after my research phase. Thanks.
@@SwitchandClickOfficial @Switch and Click ok. Current kb: full hyperx alloy elite with cherry red/keycaps I randomly came across (ty YT algorithm)I really enjoy the content (like how u both go more about sound/feel even as hard as that is to convey but still, its stuff i reallyh think matter in kb for me personally). So sorry for hte qs and hope you can help. Feel free to send me your afiliate links so you can get cred/paid for helping me because this is bascially my last hurdle in before buying/building the keeb. Thanks! 1) have you noticed a difference between weighted plates that change the sound? 2) how much of a difference in sound is there between kb enthusiasts (like taeha) that use multi mouspads vs 1 large gaming pad. I use CM mp510 XL. Ive read it makes it softer/quieter. fyi, i dont want to go down this route as a competitive gamer. 3) how much or little is the sound of the KB change if 2 kbs were relatively teh same? example being 2 60% with linears all lubed, with stabs etc, but one is a steel frame while the other is aluminum? In previous video you mentioned how the sound changes due to the size/space within the kb, makes sense. 4) is it possible to get a frame with less the 6 degree angle in a "high profile board"? I just like the look of a high profile (also it seems to keep less grit out vs non high profile but 6 degree angle is a bit much (i dunno what my Alloy elite is, couldn't find it), syndrome of too large of hands i feel like. Ive tested on my kb with kickstand up/down and down is way more comfy. I use a wrist rest on my left hand only, jus more comfy to use wasd where I can put the weight of my wrist/arm on (i have a shit chair, will change but coming at end of the month so its not ideal arm/keeping shoulders square to get consistent aim) 5) hot swap vs solder: is there a difference in sound? all things in keeb the same hypothetically, that running a hot swap vs solder would change the sound? 6) keycap: does have a thicker keycap mute the sounder further? Fell in love with this: The sound I'm going for is this from Taeha: th-cam.com/video/VG1RMUu9Ghg/w-d-xo.html Even the clack of it, I love in that set up but I'm trying to eliminate as many variables as I can in order, to get a better picture of the sound (so been testing stuff on my setup, keys i use the most/least, backlight kb etc). Optum tech: th-cam.com/video/1KOgfGWewsc/w-d-xo.html So basically I was surprised (except for the clank at top i didnt like but that maybe because his keeb is on his desk, mine wont be, itll be on top a control style XL mousepad). looking at his specs: basically its the frame and plate that are main differences, but the sound is close-ish. Basically looking to build a keeb that gets as close the the Taeha cannonkey build. After hearing that it made me kinda meh my kb, its scratchy, i bang into the numpad all the time because im a low sens arm/palm grip, so looking to really go smaller. Luckily im not too price sensitive (ok not goin keycult 2k big but my budgeting like 5) but I am time sensitive (not gonna wait til end of the yr type deal). I don't want to wait months for a kbdfan/keycult build. In terms of my likes, Ive had clickys (razer TE greens, nice sound but loud) so reds are fine but scratchy. dont care for windows home key or not, I never use it. I do bang on my board cuz have large thick dumb fingers so my fine articluation between my various fingers/fingernails isnt world class musician type, more the opposite (too many jammed fingers as a kid playing back in the day) so I usually bang harder on my kb. Having tried other boards with cherry brown/blue/red/black etc Red was the best feeling to me after razer greens. brown felt a bit mushy and didnt like how it felt when i bottom out, which is basically what if eel for the rest of the stuff ive tried, so as long as I can get closer to reds feel (but smoother/cleaner/less scatchy) and its not really mushy then its good enough for me. So in your expertise, would it be better for me to buy like a Ducky s1 or something similar, tear it apart (keycaps/switches/plate?), build it up or should I just order my parts? To me, got nothing but love respect to those who are into keebs but to me, this is more of a 1x deal (i may buy diff keycaps) so mos def wanna do it right the 1st time aka well designed nice frame, with nice keycaps/keys that I love. Apologies for my ramblings but these are the thigns that go thorugh my head when reseraching stuff. Your channel was a great YT algorithm find, great content right up my alley, learned lots of new stuff. Lastly, after all the research, this is the want list: switches: tealios v2 keycaps: something i like plate: alu (or fr4?) keyboard: high profile 65-70% or TKL with lil to no angle lube: krytox 205g0 (or whatever is similar) stabs: lubed/clipped (something bullet proof/good-nice) Thanks again!
@Switch and Click oh yea and please feel free in changing/adding to my list, after consuming your content, u got my trust so dont be shy in reccommending diff stuff if im way off.
@@SwitchandClickOfficial 1) because of my cycling hobby, i nkow a lot about alu/CF. brass i know some about and FR4 I can find and make guesstimates. not too worried here about the flex/key press 2) yep 3) again with my cycling hobby, learning bout metals/fibers, vibration/damping qualities, shape etc I feel like I got a decent grasp on based off all the videos ive watched over they yr or so. Yea, unfortunately I don't have keeb friends where I can jus go over and play with their kbs. 4) oh rip. 5) yea interesting vid, didn't control any variables but it was good enough that it confirmed things Im thinking about. 6) cool, thought so. thanks again for confirming. I'll prolly get something doubleshot cuz I need some light through my KB since im a night owl. yea i dont do reddit. whoa, that 2nd link.....whoa its liek ur in my head. how lucky, hope theres a GB cuz i'd jump right in it. Thank you so much. yea i know there are enough factors hence why i figureed out what i like/variables I can control so new evidence have confirmed many things and what I'm thinking. What you answered also really confirmed some stuff. Gaskets aside, I can get pretty close to that sound knowing what are the key variables to focus on. Its all percolating in my head. thanks again!
@@SwitchandClickOfficial whew! figured it out, know what I can do to get to that sound (well as close as possible). so how does it work? if i wanted to get the vega i jus have to refresh page a million times a day and get lucky in the GB?
@@SwitchandClickOfficial very hard to find; it's rare that someone offers them and even more rare that they're in stock, but.... m.aliexpress.com/item/32686772607.html?pid=808_0000_0131&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.32686772607&aff_trace_key=&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=8680cVxqKoxhr5oIG3ODQwXGrV6BIHWF1FOlZ5ToKxIaaq-zqw_NpUp_hQBu1J9Xj83T1594740803032&browser_id=f784b1d80de84197ab3527b8ff8e86d8&is_c=Y
Has anyone had experience with gmk keycaps? Might get them cause I really like the look of them but do they get that shine and grease or whatever people say they get easily or quickly?
Hello, Betty！ I've read a review saying that keyboard with backlight makes it diifficult to read the keys. So, if want to be able to read the letters and see other keys in the end of the day(early evening), without room light on, do you recommend the PBT or ABS key caps? The ABS key caps let the light shine through, making easy to type, right?
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Thank you...I'm thinking to buy the Epomaker Gk96S, and this keyboard has white and black keycaps...So, I'm not sure, how it will work with backlight(room light off). Hope it works fine.
I'm a newer mechanical keyboard enthusiast and I have really enjoyed your channel and your blog - your content is very interesting and I've learned quite a bit from you and Jake. And as an Asian American female, it is really nice to see you hosting these videos! Thanks to you and Jake for sharing your knowledge and keep up the great work!
seconded, same here. also a big thanks from me! recently just finished some first modding and am waiting on my keychron right now to mod further and also change keycaps (still ABS and no PBT *sad plastic noises*) and to get into this this channel has been a big help! my GMK GB set from that I ordered will arrive next year LOL
Luemm3l Wow. I'm in the middle of a 2 months wait for my switches and I'm on my nerves :) Imagine They send the wrong set? Dead.
mad max is not asian american
@@chuckgrumble5440 you realise she's not actually mad Max???
@@neelakshsati they are falsely impersonating , he is austrailian. The poster n eeds to change name.
Who else picked up this hobby out of sheer boredom? *Slowly raises hand*
me
same here
@@idontwantonamethischannel I was looking at keyboards and they all looked like toys. Like I'm a full grown adult I can't sit at my desk with a keyboard that looks like a space ship. That's all it took.
Me😂
@@HireMichaelEversonThe first time I saw mech keyboards, I was like: yes.
This channel is so good! Thank you for demystifying the "collector" ideals vs. affordable high quality stuff
NGL this is the only one video that made me understand the difference between pbt and abs keycaps i keep asking alot of reviews and this is the only one that made me understand it... such an underrated channel u should have a discord for the community
love this video, just clear and straight to the point.
I guess I'm getting pbt then, thanks
I hate pbt, because I do not like the sound that they give out, and the warping problem. If I had the choice between cheap abs or pbt, I would most likely go with abs.
The difference between high quality and low quality ABS sets is huge. Way bigger than I expected it to be. My favorite set at the moment is now MT3 Susuwatari. I believe it was the first MT3 set in ABS. It's hard going back to PBT sets now.
Agreed. I'm using epbt abs now and it'd amazing. Waiting for some GMK sets
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I think I'm going to try to grab their version of Miami Nights when its available again! Hope they come out with some other classic colorways. Also, didn't expect a reply. D :
Yeah, high end abs definitely has a feel and sound that can’t be beat. The shine on higher end abs is a little slower as well, and I’ve grown to actually like the look it starts to get. Gmk really is something else when it comes to quality control. Cheers!
SUSuwatari
8:45 OMG look at the dust!!!
4:24 that spacebar tho 👀
Ah, I see it has been reversed. I did that too to my Das Keyboard Professional for mac and it makes typing a joy vs. hitting that sharp edge with my thumbs.
Yeah, flipped space bar for life. Did you see how warped the space bar was on the xda lotus set that was right after the blank white set? Thing was mad warped. Lol
I love your channel! Just came across it now and I just started a hobby of collecting and building mechanical keyboards. Your channel is a such a big help
I do remember some folks on /MK trying to dye pbt keys and it worked, but getting the dye dark/saturated took a lot of time, and I believe they had to heat them as well.
There is another downside of PBT for us typist competitors(yes we regular typeracer), PBT has a lot more grabs( tacky), and friction that during typing competitions, floating typing can be felt stickier and your speed will be impacted. I regularly hover at 130wpm with ABS red or silver switches but will diminish to 110wpm with PBT caps.
bro calls himself typist competitor but i legit hit that wpm and i dont even tryhard typeracer bruh 😭🙏
So informative, my favorite TH-camr!
My SSK (and 87 model M space saver) has pbt with dye sub and they look basically untouched despite being 30 years old. I can't speak to ABS lasting nearly as long or looking as good, but I *will* say I prefer the sound of my redragon (box jades) with abs caps. I think for most people it's just a matter of personal preference.
7:40 interesting, I just got a set of XDA key caps and am typing 10 wpm faster on it versus cherry profile I was using. I was at around 105WPM now 115 WPM with the XDA. I relaly love how they feel. Giving your finger tips mroe room to touch top of keys, which allows me to type faster. I like how I don't have to lift fingers higher as well as with scultped cherry profile keys.
I see. I was skeptical since xda is a little weird. But i now can consider it
Thick PBT keycaps can be very heavy and make you feel like you're playing a piano (in my experience). The weight of the key can completely dominate the entire stroke and make a very subtle tactile key like cherry browns feel like crap. They might be great for linears for all I know or maybe very heavy tactile switches. I think textured light ABS is the way to go (for ME). This is based on my negative experience of a Leopold FC750R which was improved by some old ABS. What do you think Betty? Why do people love thicc keycaps so much?
It comes down to sound and feel preference. I prefer the sound that PBT keycaps gives to the tactile switches I'm currently using
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I should have added I am a very weak and inexperienced typist and I don't game :) also thank you for the inverted space bar tip it's amazing
Haha you read mind about the content I want. I just got my K6 and the switches to put it in. Next step is picking out the right type of keycaps. Thanks for the vid!
I tried the HK gaming keycap set 9009 I think, i.e. the other colour, also on my keychron k6 but the middle row with the enter key was all mushy. The key caps don’t have enough room from the stem so when you bottom out the key, the inside of the keycap will touch the switch housing. This causes a mushy feeling and a different sound all across the middle row. You can really feel the difference when you push down hard on the enter key and it will mush down. Had to return the keycaps.
Just ordered the HK for my K6. Stoked, looking forward to receiving it! Thanks!
Hope you enjoy it!
ABS colors are "very pizzazzy!" 1:50 Nice description, made me laugh!
Haha thanks!
Thanks for always responding btw... that’s very kind
Hey, haven't been here in a long time! Thanks!
I learn a lot from this channel.
@@SwitchandClickOfficial After getting a mechanical keyboard thanks to your recommendation, I just can't go back to laptop keyboard.
I need another keyboard which is smaller than a TKL that I can bring to work. The TKL is fine but I think I will need something smaller which I can bring around easily. I quiet like 65% size with bluetooth connection. Do you think the bluetooth connection is fine for office use (there maybe other bluetooth devices around and that may mess up with the connectivity I assume)?
When i first bought my first MK, it come with Outemu switch and ABS 2-shot keycaps. Feel great for couple of month until some of the switches start to malfunction and the keycaps began shiny. Then i switch to a more expensive one ( Akko to be precise ) come with Cherry MX Brown and PBT Dye-sub keycap, damn i swear i became a slave to those PBT keycap very much.
The feeling when typing on PBT keycap is damn great, smooth compare to the ABS one, not to metion Cherry sw too lol. It make me want to stay on desk, typing with it all day. Great vid btw 👍
Just bought the pbt retro mac k2! Can’t wait (:
I like PBT key caps. I am looking for getting some. Varmilo ones are colorful, beautiful and some are artistic even with high quality dye paint!
Fascinating channel and educating the public
Hi, can you comment how using ABS vs PBT affects the typing sound on a keyboard, if at all? Thanks!
I love your videos! great work :) and when I wrote my last comment you were under 23k subs!! now you are over! woohoo!
Great video as always Betty! :)
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Haha it's an improvement for sure and ofc your welcome! ^^
@@SwitchandClickOfficial No way that's awesome! Can't wait to see the new setup and good for u, happy moving :D
So I like 3D printing, and hearing you say "ABS is good with warping" is really unnatural. It almost sounds insane, but it's just a completely different process of creating.
For those who are not into 3D printing, ABS is notorious for being difficult to 3D print with and warping all the time, along with being annoying to take care of and just overall not a great material to print with, unless ABS really has the exact right material properties for you.
It's all a scam, I knew it! They don't want us to use PBT because it's OP.
unpopular opinion: gmk is overrated for what they are
Have you owned one? The color, the consistency is ahead of the competition. PBT has a problem of warping even on my 99$ sets. I would rather spend an extra price(30-50$) and wait for a better-looking board. (for the waiting time, they are not mass produced so it's quite understandable despite how painful it is.)
@@rheejin9987 i'm not saying that they're bad, i'm saying that they're overpriced and overrated af, like yeah the designs are cool, and they're good quality, but like, they're not even double shot, that i'm aware of, and they're ABS?
@@laplantamichay Ah I see you’re under the illusion that pbt is always better, once you get more into the hobby you’ll realize how it actually is
@@laplantamichay not sure which keycaps you've seen, but the two i have are doubleshot ABS. Yes they're not shine through, but thats not the only use for doubleshot...
@@MohanKumar-xn9vr Oh, what sets do you have? never heard of doubleshot gmk
thank you switch and click very cool
Left-aligned is from typewriter days. It looks classier than centre-aligned. You can find out about typewriters on Wikipedia. Or from your grandparents. :-)
For the blank keycaps, the sometimes have the R-size in small text on the underside of the switch. Still a PITA to find and read it though.
Woah, what's the case on that TKL with the diffuser (around 7:33)? That looks so clean and minimal!
I really needed to know the difference. I also noticed many ABS keys like the ones on some Razer models like V3 of the Blackwidow has this grainy feel to it. I seen that also with Corsair K95 =)
Yes i can agree Cherry profile is better than Oem profile! Also just got XDA profile, i kinda dig it!
hi betty! been wanting to try out cherry profiles! (oem user) i just want to know if there's an actual sound difference between the two?
I’m looking for DSA profile keycaps. Wish they were more available
What's that keyboard and keycap at 2:50? Your videos are very good. Thanks!
I just bought the HK gaming GK61 keyboard and might get their PBT keycaps down the line
I bought my PBT off ali and i love them. Feels as good as my ducky keycaps
Newbie to mechanical keyboards here. That keychron k6 is a gateron switch, right? Does that mean I can safely buy PBT cherry profile keycaps for a gateron switch?
Do you recommend the Razer PBT keycaps over the Glorious ABS double shot keycaps on a Keychron K8 ? I'm stuck between deciding on the two
Of these key caps which are the thickest?
Would you mind share the resources that you buy those keyboard, keycaps, and switches and group buys. Thank you
@@SwitchandClickOfficial thank you! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LuSeaBR_qinNxBPnLV8m5ZZvJweNo6A0wEDvObJ4OMk/edit#gid=0 this one is good for keycaps!
@@SwitchandClickOfficial awesome thank you so much.
I was already a fan of pbt but know, my mind explode
Hi ! I’m looking for budget black pudding pbt keycaps (like hyperx ones) for a keychron k2. Do you have any recommendation?
What are those switches? I cant find the link in the description
where did you get the blank blue cap for the K6's rgb key (top right) ?
Honestly you can look at the shine as the sort of Patina equivalent for Mech Keyboards 🤔
Keycap makers really need to support European layouts more -_-
this
Hi, Need your advice on buying keycaps as I am new to overall mechanical keyboards. How should we go about buying the keycaps. Do we look for keycaps compatible with the keys we have (like Geteron Switch etc) it do we go by the size of original keys that came with keyboards. For example when I did a quick search for 'keycaps' on Amazon, I couldn't see any size mentioned in the listing. Thanks in advance.
For the size and a cross-shaped stem: switchandclick.com/2020/07/08/will-it-fit-finding-keycaps-that-will-fit-your-keyboard
@@SwitchandClickOfficial thanks for the reply - I've seen all that but my question was in most listings they don't mention the size or any other spec which we can look for.... So what I am asking, what are we supposed to look for? Do we look for keycaps that fit the keys or these are standard irrespective of the brand of the keys? How do we know the key sizes of not listed and how to make sure they will fit our keys?
Itll have a picture that shows the entire set usually
TNX FOR THE TIPS, JUST ASKIN, IF I WANT KEYCAPS THAT REALLY SHINES RGB, SHOULD I GO FOR ABS OR PBT?
Hello, I am about to choose between some pbt keycaps or some switches for improving my keyboards sound, so wich should I decide??Pls help me out
Hey, I was wondering if you could recommend an RGB mechanical keyboard for me. I am looking for something tenkeyless or at least like 96% compact like the K4. I have a mac laptop and a PC so I was hoping to get something that worked with both. I'd prefer to spend under $100. Any advice/recommendations?
Switch and Click thanks sm for the help
I've read issues on using cherry profile keycaps on northfacing switches so I kinda hesitating on buying cherry profile but i definitely would want those as my keycaps :(
Are GMK pbt? I see you have the reversed spacebar like a boss. : ) Is the K6 programmable?
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Cool thanks! I've never heard of a non-programmable keyboard being upgraded via firmware update. That will be interesting to see if if that's what they do or if it's a hardware plug-in or something. I remember there being a chip you could buy to turn the HHKB into a programmable board.
Personally, I prefer ABS for its deeper sound profile and its lower tendency to be deformed.
got a brand new mechanical keyboard and ive been loving it so far but my abs keycaps are starting to go shiny on my wasd after only a few weeks
do all PBT keycaps shine light thru letters or only double shot ones?
How do you know if some keycaps wont fit on other keyboards, i was thinking of getting a keychron K2 65% and with it a set of keycaps (bc i kinda think the grey is boring) but i dont know how to check if they would fit my keyboard?
What’re the best keycaps for milky yellow switches?
What is "SA"? And what is that website you mention at the beginning?
It's a much taller keycap profile switchandclick.com/2020/04/23/ultimate-guide-to-picking-a-keycap-set-for-your-mechanical-keyboard/ There's some helpful pics in here if you're interested in the height of different profiles
@@SwitchandClickOfficial wow that was fast! Thanks!
What is the best gmk keycaps? 👍🏻
What about Drop dcx white on black and monokei wob series 1, which one is thockier?
I used pbt pudding keycaps with my roccat vulcan 120
i came here for the sound test but still nice vid 👍
I love the chalk key caps but am I the only one who notices that they printed "#" on top of letter 3 sideways? It is supposed to be narrow instead of wide... I get OCD about these things but would love to get them if they fix this letter 3 issue!
do you know where i can get some double shot pbt keycaps with the top row having the media and windows functions with rgb see through? i have the cougar ultimus and it has some nice functions on the top row. most keycaps i see don't have the media functions on them. thanks in advance
Not any custom keycaps, only stock ones on boards. Razer does I think
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Thanks for your reply. That really sucks when you have functions markings on keycaps and can't find replacements. I'll just have to remember where they are or maybe get them custom made.
what keycaps will you recommend on clicky switches? pbt or abs?
You just have to choose the one that suits your typing experience most. Since most of the signature sound of the keycap itself are overshadowed by the sound of the Clicky switch.
loves the videos
Thanks for covering the budget end of keycaps. Would like to see and honest perspective on the differences between budget and expensive keycaps. I.e. is the quality or feel much better or is it just to do with production volumes and colour ways.
what about KAT profile keycaps?
i just preordered some KAT explosion: Dye Sub PBT, $30 for alphas, $60 for mods
id love to get GMK mecha but i couldn't stomach paying $130 for a kit and then getting shine afterwards
I got my Varmilo MIYA Sakura mainly cause of the dye sub PBT keycaps haha
Does thicker keycaps make the sound deeper or more creamy? Or both? Cause rn my keyboard sound creamy more than thock
11:21 See how dying works? That got a bit dark there.
About gmk, they can be the top about colors or legends, but I sold out it bcs I really dont like ABS feeling
Is it okay if I bought the pbt keycaps and use it on an abs keyboard ? Because my keyboard originally comes with abs keycaps :( does it affect ?
YES totally fine
Why do you call XDA a strange profile?
should i buy abs or pbt
I think double shot keyboards always have gaps in the letterings when there are loops... It might not be a quality issue?
Yep
I dislike the keycaps that come with keyboards now in days. So thin and gross sounding. I've been using my Corsair double shot pbts for years now. They are also great. Alot of users don't understand the difference in profiles ether. For the high end I like Kats. But not gonna lie a nice gmk set is always great. Awesome stuff guys. I love the review 👍😍
But can I put Pbt keycaps on Abs Keyboard?
What keyboards did you use in this video? Please reply
I think the drop ctrl. But it must've varied
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What plastic does the Redragon K552 keycaps uses?
ABS
Are these(9:38) ABS or PBT keycaps?
PBT
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Thank you, Betty! I've just ordered(through Amazon) the Epomaker GK96S, after reviewing many of your videos, which are very comprehensive...it helped me a lot...
Mine is black case, PBT keycap, and although I wished Optical switch, there was only Mechanical one, and I chose the Brown. Maybe it was possible to order the Optical switch through the Epomaker website, but I've read many bad comments, about way too long waitings, that I decided for Amazon.
any nordic pbt keycaps?
do you have an email where we can ask u a million questions? Pretty close in pulling the trigger on my kb but would like to hear from you both in terms of the XP you have garnered over the years and see if im on the right track after my research phase. Thanks.
ok ill prepare my essay. ill get back to you in a bit here, apologies ahead of time.
@@SwitchandClickOfficial @Switch and Click ok.
Current kb: full hyperx alloy elite with cherry red/keycaps
I randomly came across (ty YT algorithm)I really enjoy the content (like how u both go more about sound/feel even as hard as that is to convey but still, its stuff i reallyh think matter in kb for me personally). So sorry for hte qs and hope you can help. Feel free to send me your afiliate links so you can get cred/paid for helping me because this is bascially my last hurdle in before buying/building the keeb. Thanks!
1) have you noticed a difference between weighted plates that change the sound?
2) how much of a difference in sound is there between kb enthusiasts (like taeha) that use multi mouspads vs 1 large gaming pad. I use CM mp510 XL. Ive read it makes it softer/quieter. fyi, i dont want to go down this route as a competitive gamer.
3) how much or little is the sound of the KB change if 2 kbs were relatively teh same? example being 2 60% with linears all lubed, with stabs etc, but one is a steel frame while the other is aluminum? In previous video you mentioned how the sound changes due to the size/space within the kb, makes sense.
4) is it possible to get a frame with less the 6 degree angle in a "high profile board"? I just like the look of a high profile (also it seems to keep less grit out vs non high profile but 6 degree angle is a bit much (i dunno what my Alloy elite is, couldn't find it), syndrome of too large of hands i feel like. Ive tested on my kb with kickstand up/down and down is way more comfy. I use a wrist rest on my left hand only, jus more comfy to use wasd where I can put the weight of my wrist/arm on (i have a shit chair, will change but coming at end of the month so its not ideal arm/keeping shoulders square to get consistent aim)
5) hot swap vs solder: is there a difference in sound? all things in keeb the same hypothetically, that running a hot swap vs solder would change the sound?
6) keycap: does have a thicker keycap mute the sounder further?
Fell in love with this: The sound I'm going for is this from Taeha: th-cam.com/video/VG1RMUu9Ghg/w-d-xo.html
Even the clack of it, I love in that set up but I'm trying to eliminate as many variables as I can in order, to get a better picture of the sound (so been testing stuff on my setup, keys i use the most/least, backlight kb etc).
Optum tech: th-cam.com/video/1KOgfGWewsc/w-d-xo.html
So basically I was surprised (except for the clank at top i didnt like but that maybe because his keeb is on his desk, mine wont be, itll be on top a control style XL mousepad).
looking at his specs: basically its the frame and plate that are main differences, but the sound is close-ish.
Basically looking to build a keeb that gets as close the the Taeha cannonkey build. After hearing that it made me kinda meh my kb, its scratchy, i bang into the numpad all the time because im a low sens arm/palm grip, so looking to really go smaller. Luckily im not too price sensitive (ok not goin keycult 2k big but my budgeting like 5) but I am time sensitive (not gonna wait til end of the yr type deal). I don't want to wait months for a kbdfan/keycult build.
In terms of my likes, Ive had clickys (razer TE greens, nice sound but loud) so reds are fine but scratchy. dont care for windows home key or not, I never use it. I do bang on my board cuz have large thick dumb fingers so my fine articluation between my various fingers/fingernails isnt world class musician type, more the opposite (too many jammed fingers as a kid playing back in the day) so I usually bang harder on my kb. Having tried other boards with cherry brown/blue/red/black etc Red was the best feeling to me after razer greens. brown felt a bit mushy and didnt like how it felt when i bottom out, which is basically what if eel for the rest of the stuff ive tried, so as long as I can get closer to reds feel (but smoother/cleaner/less scatchy) and its not really mushy then its good enough for me.
So in your expertise, would it be better for me to buy like a Ducky s1 or something similar, tear it apart (keycaps/switches/plate?), build it up or should I just order my parts?
To me, got nothing but love respect to those who are into keebs but to me, this is more of a 1x deal (i may buy diff keycaps) so mos def wanna do it right the 1st time aka well designed nice frame, with nice keycaps/keys that I love. Apologies for my ramblings but these are the thigns that go thorugh my head when reseraching stuff. Your channel was a great YT algorithm find, great content right up my alley, learned lots of new stuff.
Lastly, after all the research, this is the want list:
switches: tealios v2
keycaps: something i like
plate: alu (or fr4?)
keyboard: high profile 65-70% or TKL with lil to no angle
lube: krytox 205g0 (or whatever is similar)
stabs: lubed/clipped (something bullet proof/good-nice)
Thanks again!
@Switch and Click oh yea and please feel free in changing/adding to my list, after consuming your content, u got my trust so dont be shy in reccommending diff stuff if im way off.
@@SwitchandClickOfficial 1) because of my cycling hobby, i nkow a lot about alu/CF. brass i know some about and FR4 I can find and make guesstimates. not too worried here about the flex/key press
2) yep
3) again with my cycling hobby, learning bout metals/fibers, vibration/damping qualities, shape etc I feel like I got a decent grasp on based off all the videos ive watched over they yr or so. Yea, unfortunately I don't have keeb friends where I can jus go over and play with their kbs.
4) oh rip.
5) yea interesting vid, didn't control any variables but it was good enough that it confirmed things Im thinking about.
6) cool, thought so. thanks again for confirming. I'll prolly get something doubleshot cuz I need some light through my KB since im a night owl.
yea i dont do reddit.
whoa, that 2nd link.....whoa its liek ur in my head. how lucky, hope theres a GB cuz i'd jump right in it. Thank you so much.
yea i know there are enough factors hence why i figureed out what i like/variables I can control so new evidence have confirmed many things and what I'm thinking. What you answered also really confirmed some stuff. Gaskets aside, I can get pretty close to that sound knowing what are the key variables to focus on. Its all percolating in my head. thanks again!
@@SwitchandClickOfficial whew! figured it out, know what I can do to get to that sound (well as close as possible). so how does it work? if i wanted to get the vega i jus have to refresh page a million times a day and get lucky in the GB?
I think the company is called YMDK, and not YDMK like you usually say in your videos
I've tried PBT, but curious about POM
@@SwitchandClickOfficial very hard to find; it's rare that someone offers them and even more rare that they're in stock, but....
m.aliexpress.com/item/32686772607.html?pid=808_0000_0131&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.32686772607&aff_trace_key=&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=8680cVxqKoxhr5oIG3ODQwXGrV6BIHWF1FOlZ5ToKxIaaq-zqw_NpUp_hQBu1J9Xj83T1594740803032&browser_id=f784b1d80de84197ab3527b8ff8e86d8&is_c=Y
so wait, are abs and pbt keycaps compatible on any type of switches???
Depends on the stem, but yeah, most keycaps are cross-shaped stem
I'm looking for a nice usb-c cable, any suggestions?
Thok.click
it would be a lot less confusing if we didn't just use 3 letter abbreviations for both of them.
Hi, can you give me specifically the name of keycaps for k6?
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Thanks 😃
Has anyone had experience with gmk keycaps? Might get them cause I really like the look of them but do they get that shine and grease or whatever people say they get easily or quickly?
why are most sa profile keycaps usually abs?
These GMK sets are almost as expensive as my keyboard 😢
Switch and Click Appreciate that! Im considering getting one of those
Nice vid
Hello, Betty！
I've read a review saying that keyboard with backlight makes it diifficult to read the keys.
So, if want to be able to read the letters and see other keys in the end of the day(early evening), without room light on, do you recommend the PBT or ABS key caps?
The ABS key caps let the light shine through, making easy to type, right?
I prefer PBT keycaps with black legends and white keycaps
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Thank you...I'm thinking to buy the Epomaker Gk96S, and this keyboard has white and black keycaps...So, I'm not sure, how it will work with backlight(room light off). Hope it works fine.