He is not advocating on not using psychedelics, he is saying "one must not rely on external substances" to reach enlightenment. It must be done through yourself. And I agree with that. But I do believe that psychedelics can be used to "open the door" so to speak
but this is d problem, if psychedalics opened the door then only they can do it.. and like ol drugs if we r finished with lsd,we wud hv a big problem,bigger thn withdrawl symptoms....we wont b able to meditate and if u hv felt zen/truth, u will go crazy..
Abhay Rana i found enlightenment on psychedelics and post that experience i dont drink alcohol, i eat better and i dont use any drugs...just meditate with weed and psychedelics every so often when im in the mood.... The original Buddhists got pretty high also. You know these natural things are left for a reason, like mario and his shrooms or sonic and his golden hoops....you have to do the hard work, but it helps to take your mind to the gym and have a power up every so often.
Abhay Rana my own enlightenment...go find yours its different for everyone and theres many paths so just follow your heart. For me it was different things, san pedro cactus, shrooms, ayauhasca and weed and others but you can do it with or without...but there is a herbal witch in me so i chose the shamanic medicine path.
enlightenment is different for everybody.... my gudness.. my question had 10 answers to just two questions but as u said"enlightenment is different for everybody...." i hv no words... njoy ur enlightenment...
Interestingly enough, the strongest acid i've ever had was a blotter called Dalai Lama. One of these resulted in ego-death (which was the first time I experienced it) and after this, my fear of death was no longer present. Still is not. I think psychedelics create some illusions while simultaneously removing others.
@@kshinji I think he means people who aren't very knowledgeable about it shouldn't discourage people from trying different things. Everyone knows what doing heroin leads to. Psychedelics on the other hand have a lot of unexplored potential, especially in psychology (not to mention they aren't addictive). Can't inform someone on something you know knothing about.
same actually, ego death is a very serious thing and should be regarded as such, invalidating it as a serious life altering, mystical experience does nothing to serve the cultivation of understanding and consciousness, for the altering of consciousness is still an experience within ones own conscious, whether for better or for worse, how can one truly know where he stands in the universe, if he has not experienced all that life has to offer, good or bad are human qualities we've assigned experiences in order to make sense of things. but ultimately it is all experience and thus invaluable to the development of understanding and it seems very unwise to suggest that you dont at least investigate it for yourself, but also, acknowledge the risk vs reward factor. i think you need to ask yourself one question, "what is my intention" that will really explain it all to you.
Psychedelics are a useful tool, but developing a daily practice will be more practical and beneficial in the long run. I’ve had ego death on lsd twice, and though it was certainly profound and liberating, alone it is not enough. I still carry many of the same problems I had before I did lsd only now I am aware of them. Psychedelics are a wonderful tool that can open the door, but if you really want to get somewhere you have to do the work. In short, psychedelics are great, but they are not the end all be all. If that were the case, then every college kid with an acid tab would be a sage, but that’s just not how it works. True and lasting enlightenment takes personal effort.
Stop drugs forever and practice Vipassana, those substances are only illusions acting as shackles for your mind. The experiences you really want require a pristinely pure and undiluted mind. As clean as a perfect diamond, don’t take anything and practice vipassana in that way. You’ll never want to use a drug ever again I promise. Sarva Mangalam. 🙏
He is not wrong. He is saying that it is a better alternative to explore and expand consciousness through meditation. The strongest hallucinogens are already produced inside of our brains. We don't need external stimuli. We can achieve higher states on our own. Although I personally see the purpose of hallucinogens.. they are here for a reason and do help us. He didn't condemn drug use. He didn't state you shouldn't do it. He said it was better to reach enlightenment on your own.
Vince SC "The strongest hallucinogens are already produced inside of our brains" Exactly. DMT, which is considered to be the most potent, believed to be produced in the pineal gland.
***** Well that's a terrible post.. Meditation and yoga are highly valuable tools, just like mushrooms and DMTs. Do all four, and you will reach something higher. No need for such childish vulgarity
***** Chill... someone asked him the question, and I am saying I disagree with him on certain drug use. Either way, if you bothered to read my post, you'd notice that I am saying these are great tools for accessing truth. No need to be so aggressive. You're in the comments section of the religious leader of Buddhism. chill.
+Vince SC You and the Dalai Lama fail to understand that some of us have had 'that' bad a time in our lives, that we 'cannot' achieve a higher state of conciousness 'without' using an hallucinogen! And if we cannot achieve it without, it would still be better to achieve it WITH than not at all! He also is NOT right to correct other religious peoples that use hallucinogens as part of their ceremonies (which he does when he says people should NOT rely on them), such as the Native Americans with Mescaline and Indigenous Amazonian tribes with ayahuasca, and saying so is ignorant to put it lightly. ...That would be like saying..."you should't need Morphine for spinal surgery, because I didn't need it!" Having an attitude like that is utter bollocks! - Not everything the Dalai Lama say's is correct, and he should know that the vast majority of us cannot for the life of ourselves find our reason for being. If the current Dalai Lama was sacked from his job, I wonder if his moral would still be as high stacking shelves 12 hours a day/6 days a week and not need a trip now and again! And by the sounds of it, he could use 'autopilot mode' and sleep while his body works like a robot till he awakes..... Drug use PRE-DATES ALL and EVERY form of religion and even the written word! It always HAS been this way and always WILL BE!....Simply because we are HUMAN and are genetically programmed to explore!
+Bujf vjg you're very much off base. I've been the victim of all kinds of abuse, yet I've gone deeper thru meditation than any psychedelic experience I've ever had, which are very high doses of ayahuasca, shrooms, lsd, and dmt. Holding on to your past and claiming to be a product of your environment instead of realizing that you're a product of the choices you made is too childish to be taken seriously. You're simply using drugs to escape reality and claim pseudo enlightenment, so much so that u alter facts to reinforce your ego. Those tribes don't rely on drugs, they simply use them as a tool, but they can still get to the same level through meditation and often do. Stop playing the victim card and cultivate your mind to see truth without the use of drugs, then if possible, use them to get to a higher level of consciousness faster and to show u new things that are useful. don't attack something that u have a poor understanding of just because it hurt your ego and maybe show respect for a difference of opinion
I love the dalai lama, and all that he represents, and I also have a great deal of respect for him saying that people can attain 'enlightenment' (or whatever you want to call it) without the use of psychedelics. But I really do fear that the timescale that we have left on this planet for the human species to not become extinct is too short for him to dismiss the use of psychedelics as agents for changing peoples minds about our current predicament. I do not say this lightly, but anyone with experience in this area has probably been witness to people going into psychedelic experiences complete egotistical jerks and then re-emerging relatively decent and levelled people. A medicine this strong, and this efficacious, should be utilized, not dismissed. For some solid science about this please research the recent studies, only just allowed due to changes in the law, done by Roland Griffiths, into the effects on peoples perspective due to psilocybin. Published in the highly respected journal of psychopharmacology.
Also several ancient cultures which weren't familiar with yoga and meditation have used psychedelics as a means to achieve enlightenment and communicate with the spirit realm
Yeah i can see were they are coming from, but they obviously dont know about the facts on Psilocybin or Lsd, and when ever you mention it to someone especially a family member you are treated as a heretic. Ridiculous
The Dalia Lama is an important teacher. He himself acknowledges that he has limitations. This is a topic he admits to not having first hand experience about, but this topic is one of the most pivotal topics to understand fully, for each individual and for humanity. Traditional Mediation is a Vital Tool, but its only One tool among Many. Purists always argue for their tool only. And religions especially dogmatically preach their path only. What matters is not the tool, but the Results. To the fundamental questions of Illusion, Serious Practice, and External methods. Meditation is valuable only if it produces the necessary result. It is not a panacea, or a sacred cow, or without any fault. It is only a tool. We must incorporate all tools that have value. Meditation and Entheogens, among other tools, can produce a Clear and Deep States of Consciousness when used properly. Talk of Illusion is a Red Herring, and could be made about meditation or any other tool, which misses the point. We must discuss the profound topic of consciousness exploration with first hand experience, and not what weve heard. It would be like never practicing meditation and then lecturing about it. For the vast majority of people who have tried traditional meditation, the results are moderate quality of life improvements at best, and most rarely actually practice it. The entire foundation of Buddhism is Enlightenment, that is the goal, that is the intended result. Traditional meditation is only a boat, and its like a row boat crossing the ocean. Profound results from Entheogens are nearly guaranteed, especially with proper considerations of Mindset, Setting, Dosage, and led by a knowledgeable individual. Entheogens are also only a tool and technology, but they offer profound realizations more reliably than meditation, its like taking a 747 across the ocean. They only take you to the door, they do not create the door. All new technologies are at first dismissed or condemned by the status quo, by traditional and inexperienced elders. This has happened with writing, the scientific method, the telescope, microscope, mathematics, understanding of natural selection, of quantum dynamics, of cosmic evolution, with sensory augmentation or deprivation, all new music and film, all medicine, meditation, yoga, entheogens, and just about everything else. This is nothing new. That is how religions sustain themselves. In the end, its not about one tool versus another, its about using effective tools in the proper amounts, at the right times, and in valuable combinations. This is the only conversation that should be taking place. Traditional meditation in the East has been tried for over Two Thousand Years and has produced as much Authoritarianism and Empire as in the West. Its time to evolve. Seriously. We are now on the brink of the Sixth Extinction and the Ruin of our Planet. Expanding and Deepening our Consciousness is the most pivotal topics of our time. This is Serious Practice. Which is not external or Illusory. Rather the stifling of this is the only deception occurring. What is needed now are new ideas, that are considered by different minds than those that have failed to solve our current problems.
I think that psychedelics are a medium for people who just don't have the patience or correct understanding of meditation. I believe that things like mushrooms and ayahuasca and other plants should be treated with respect and not to have a good time with. I have never taken any psychedelic before, but I am open to the possibility. Nature gives these things to us and there are many old tribes that used psychedelics for thousands of years as part of their spiritual growth. the meditative state can be acheived with the use of psychs, but the problem is that it is not appreciated as much as someone who worked really hard to get to that stage. personally I do want to try something in the future, and I am thinking mushrooms, very small doses in a controlled environment should give me some insight. I will post again if I found some info that could help you guys. Have an awesome week xx
if you do plan on taking shrooms the environment will not matter, your mental state will determine how the trip goes. that is the basis of using shrooms, you will probably see/hear/experience many things that are hard to explain. the best thing you can do while tripping is not to fight the effects, thats when anxiety builds up and people begin to question everything. in my opinion, psychedelics are simply tools used to expand your imagination, and alter your perception.
@@iBuyBitcoin I did, so I failed to mention I have anxiety disorder and I ordered some mushrooms online, it didn't do much, but my anxiety was completely gone, the next day it returned though.
I think psychedelics are powerful tools for exploring our consciousness, but I don't think they bring you enlightenment. I think they have their place and can be used for many spiritual and therapeutic reasons, but they're not the ultimate answers to life. They're tools like every other tool. They are medicines like any other medicine.
@@soulmateseverywhere6309 The lsd is a catalyst of our conscious and our unconscious, what we call "trip" is literally that, when we take lsd we open up to an inner journey beyond the imaginable, it is also why scientists create it, to explore our brain in depth. But after I agree that it is only a tool (used in therapeutic medicine as well), we can reach this level of self-understanding, but it takes titanic work, and does not lead to enlightenment, just a better understanding of self. (english is not my mothertongue ^^')
One crucial thing that the Dalai Lama is missing, that has been confirmed by a bunch of research since this talk, is that psychedelics don't just provide peak experiences. They also vastly increase neuroplasticity for a period of weeks or months at a time. Neuroplasticity makes it much easier to learn any skill, including meditation, whereas otherwise, once you are out of your teens or mid-20s, you are fighting biology and increasingly ossified brains, which is one reason why so many people fail to progress in meditation. (Other reasons include trauma and PTSD, which often prove too powerful for meditation alone to treat.) Psychedelics also make other means much more effective, like yoga, neurofeedback and direct brain stimulation. The Dalai Lama says that he is not enlightened, and I don't think he is just being modest. I think he means it, as he is comparing himself to the truly great masters who have spent decades on retreat, and whom he has met many of in his life. And even they are not by default 'omniscient', as enlightenment does not mean you are omniscient. He has never claimed to have all the answers, or even that Buddhism has all the answers.
People keep saying that psychedelics are an easy route - this is simply not the case. They act quickly but they are far from easy. A powerful mushroom or DMT trip is a challenge for your whole being - it questions your ego, your assumptions, the whole fabric of reality and reminds you of the life force that is you and connects with everything in the cosmos. These substances are not cheap party tricks and should be taken very seriously by both academia, religious leaders and politicians and society at large. I suggest the Dalai Lama try one of these substances so he can at least compare what he has experienced through meditation with the power of psychedelics.
True. Some of the truly great yogis have tried psychedelics and they had no effect. But the Dalai Lama isn't one of them, by his own admission. He might actually benefit. One lama who did 5 meo DMT said it was the farthest you could go into the after-death states without actually dying. Just shows you how powerful these substances are.
They're not additional illusory experiences, they're simply different ones. And you need them to understand how your day-to-day experience is in fact also in many ways an illusion. Not necessarily a bad illusion, not a false illusion, but still merely one of many ways for your brain to interpret its surroundings.
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Using psychedelics to experience a higher state of consciousness is like enjoying a weeks vacation to to a nice relaxed tropical place but in the end you still go back to an unenjoyable job in a humdrum town. It allows you to see a potential other or alternative but ultimately will not give it to you. If you want to enhance your life and elevate your mind you must put in the work to attain it. Psychadelics are phenominal in many ways, but as with all tools and/or endulgences they have their uses and they have their limits of what is healthy.
an unfortunate thing such a simplistic answer was given. hopefully one day the true power and awe of the psychedelics, as a tool to be used in conjunction with meditative techniques, will be explored and brought to more people's awareness.
L.S.D. Assistance opened my mind to the universal flow, I see the overwhelming beauty in everything. Especially these humble folks and their message to the world. peace
I have felt utter oneness with Brahman, edo desolation and fear of death, what felt like a glimpse at Moksha/Nirvana high dose psychedelics, the need to be kinder to others and respect nature, freedom from large amounts of material needs, and ego dissolution followed by acceptance of death... Reconing with what I have learned from psychedelics is what has sent me into my study of Buddhism and Hinduism. Like the Hindu principle of Brahman, absolute oneness, seemed more like an explanation of what I felt in my psychedelic journeys. Those that will not even try psychedelics in their quest for enlightenment, are just conservative and not open to new things. Science has proven DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are psychedelics endogenous to the human body. It makes sense that some, through a lifetime of meditation and fasting, have figured out a way to increase those endogenous secretions that scientists believe could be behind possibly all religious experience. Must we forget the use of Soma that was a tool for the early founders of hinduism and as a result Buddhism . Actually it is now believed that LSD may act by increasing endogenous levels of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT by 1000% and 400% respectively. DMT is also thought to be released in higher concentrations during spiritual experiences. Also during near death experiences. As they say, many paths, one way.
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I disagree with him on psychedelic drugs being "illusory." First of all he has never had the experience himself so his opinion is based off of things hes read or from other peoples experiences. Secondly, when he says illusion I think hes referring to the hallucinations psychedelics induce, and I think he means they aren't real. I'm not claiming experiences in altered states of consciousness are real-although this is my belief-because it doesnt matter if it is real or not because either way it cant be proven and it is the same experience. What matters is the information you receive which anyone who has done their research or experienced it themselves, knows it is insightful and profound information. Lastly, I was a militant, materialist, reductionist, atheist before my encounter with entheogens. It changed my outlook on everything and has made me "spiritual person," whatever that means, lol. Entheogens also led and is still leading me towards buddhism and spiritual practices.
He dosnt understands.. To bad. Cuz Psychadelics and buddhism goes hand in hand. It would have been a revolution for the religion. Buddhism 2.0 if like. Just imagine what trips they can achive when they can simulate a strong acid trip in a sober state?
As a massive supporter of Psychedelics, I’m going to have to disagree here. I believe the idea the Dalai Lama is trying to say is that psychedelics aren’t the answer to enlightenment, and until you can cultivate your mind through meditation and Buddhist philosophy, you won’t have a sustainable method of achieving enlightenment. From my understanding of Buddhist philosophy, Reality itself is illusory. I don’t think illusory in his mind is referring to just the hallucinations, but the feelings of joy and strong spirituality that come from the psychedelic experience. Of course, he doesn’t have any experiences with psychedelics, but the ideas he spreads are pretty strongly rooted in a great understanding of Buddhism. Psychedelics can become a crutch to avoid cultivating the strength of your own mind. I’m a firm believer that Psychedelics are a great gateway into introspection and spirituality, and can be a useful tool alongside a strong meditative practice and a ethical way of life. I absolutely understand what he is trying to say though.
Sorry to follow up yet again. But think of it like this. If you have a physical injury that aches you, painkillers will dull the pain and guide you for awhile. However, to sustainably cure the injury and ensure it never occurs again, you may have to perform certain exercises to strengthen the muscles in which weakness led to the injury in the first place. However, if you don’t exercise, you may rely on painkillers and deceive yourself into contentment and never make the effort to permanently recover. Psychedelics are the painkillers of an unopened mind, meditation is the exercise necessary to cultivate spiritual strength. They both have a place. Edit: the Dalai Lama and many buddhists have a strict view of this, and believe meditation should really be the only way to go about it. But I really do personally believe, much like you, that psychedelics have an important role we have to consider
A single session of DMT/ Ayuhuasca will bring more personal revelation to an individual than 10 years of "sweeping up around the ashram" as good old Terrence Mckenna used to say.
"sweeping up around the ashram" is a better spiritual practice than just tripping balls, simply because it actually takes some effort on your part. So there's the application for you right there.
Besides which, if you rely on strong sensory experiences via psychedelics to bring enlightenment, then you're not really enlightening yourself. Your wisdom in that case is still dependent on an experience that rises and falls, and you need to chase after it if you want to learn more lessons. It's not a permanent thing. Meditation is about stepping away from sensory experience and simply deconstructing reality to see it for what it is.
I love how at the end he's just like ... nah we'll do that in the afternoon - and boom standing ovation because really it is That which he embodies that is important, not what he says
I'd also say that because of the incredibly unique experience they provide, someone who has never used a psychedelic before simply cannot have a valid standpoint on them. Simply putting yourself in another's shoes so to speak doesn't really work with this.
Life is too short and most of the time you'll be fine afterwards. If anything, a better person. I once heard psychedelics is like you peeking over a fence to see everything while you can actually be there through meditation. However certain drugs are too strong and are in both nature and within our minds already. So I don't think anyone should ignore them and treat them as just recreational drugs, although that has been a thing for a while now. My mother personally grew a lot thanks to ayahuasca and lsd. She then was hit with horrible news that she has pretty bad cancer and this helped her make peace with it. Soon she's gonna try mushrooms and possibly even dmt if she's up for it. It's definitely her wish to try mushrooms and trip hard enough to hopefully help her get over some things she never did. Personal stuff she's like closer with before leaving this realm.
Sounds like your mother is or was a great person. I hope she managed to have mushrooms, maybe even dmt. I found so much wisdom in the mushrooms. It is not either this or that. I found it the perfect combination with meditation. Paul Stamets says he cured his mother from advanced cancer with Turkey Tail mushroom. I don't know if that would work for everybody. I'm afraid your mother already passed by now. I feel love for her and you.
Duality is our limitation. You have a dualistic nature that’s why always try make differences rather than piecing them together or looking at things through non dualistic eyes. No external no internal, no good no bad, all things as is
I agree with NOT using psychedelics for a spiritual purpose, although it plays a great role of initiating people into spirituality such as buddhism. Even though the inner workings of the mind such as the unconscious ”comes to the surface” causing hallucinations to some extent, there is also a great sense of clarity achieved when the ego dissolves. The same clarity is often matured without external stimuli through practices like meditation. I therefore do not consider psychedelics to be completely irrelevant to spirituality
The Dalai Lama should try Ayahuasca before having an opinion. The wisdom of Mother Ayahuasca is as great as his. And yes, you can sometimes achieve the same thing without a drug but it might take you 70- 100 years instead of one profound vision during one evening.
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Old fashion gurus always say drugs are cheating or are "illusions" lol. Drugs can give you 10 years of spiritual experience over night. This life is short, take the short cut.
I love psychadelics and what they can offer. Wisdom for oneself. But if you rely on a external stimulis for your journey inwards it will never fulfill you and your life. If you want true enlightenment you have you turn inward and do the work needed, especially like many of us in the west are molded by our outer experiences. Childhood traumas and such. Psychadelics is a great teacher for us to see what we need to do in our life and what we need to work on. Because traumas dissolving is painful. If someone really has gone through real healing, you would know what I meam by this. And stop judging each others for your lack of understanding. I can't believe spiritual and people who been doing psychadelics are that naive and close minded. How can you let your egos be this reactive to each others?? Love smashes all negativity, insert it in your life. Love, gratitude and appreciation for life is key. Wish everyone real guidance and happiness.
After 300 great trips, I had a bad trip. It wasn't because of the drugs. That's so reductionist and irresponsible when people have these experiences and blame, not themselves, but "the drugs." I made many crucial mistakes. I was in a dark period of my life. I knew it was going to happen, but I was too weak to resist making the mistakes I did. That's why it happened. I refuse to absolve myself of responsibility just to feel better about what happened. For the first 300 experiences, I learned more than I could have in a 100 lifetimes. That's just a fact.
Ive spoken to people that got zero but a good or bad trip. It didnt do anything spiritual for them or change their outlook on life. Their senses were just scrambled for a few hours in a pleasant or unpleasant way.
I can say one thing for sure, you experience illusions that break your personal illusions, it isn’t something that can wake you up on it’s own; but specifically for treating the endemic narcissism right now it’s almost necessary that some people go out of their comfort zone and realize their ego is just an illusion they have about themselves that blocks any chance of a relationship with G-d/cosmic wisdom although there are better ways to experience it!
I have experience with 2-3 years of LSD use and 40 years of Buddhism. I agree with HHDL. You might learn something but it will also come with a lot of bull shit that will take years to remove. It is not worth the risk and the waste of time. I saw a lot of people go insane from it. Some died while in it's delusional grip, for instance, trying to fly from a 30 story building. I have never seen anyone gain any thing close to enlightenment from it. I saw a few who thought they did until they realized they were insane. Of course, this is my opinion but it is from direct experience and exploration. Actually, I got a tiny bit more from MaryJ but still not worth the effort.
I agree with you totally Patrick. Some people can do LSD a bunch of times and be fine, some not. Me, I did it once, almost lost my mind. Have had severe anxiety and distorted vision ever since. So even though it has it's mind expanding merits, it's not worth the risk. You just don't know where you'll fall in the spectrum.
Faye Lukezich Sure thing, it's an individual thing. But I've done it several times now and all it caused me was positive effects, so I'll probably continue loving and praising it until I die.
Psychedelics merely open the door and you walk through the door. It will let you glimpse nirvana but then it’s your job to get there in your own… Nature does not provide these experiences for us by accident… Psychedelics introduced me to Buddhism with no prior knowledge and I hit the ground running and everything fit into place perfectly.
What makes you think that psychedelics will show you a glimpse of Nirvana? You can as well claim that psychedelics will grant you salvation by Jesus, it would be just as much valid of a statement. Do you even know what Nirvana means?
Ironically, mushrooms influenced my interest in Buddhism. If you've never had that experience, how can you really answer that in full truth? We need a balance between our plant allies and our own inner cultivation. It's not about relying on it. It's a spiritual medicine, depending on how it's used. If it's given the respect, and it's strength is acknowledged, it can be a very powerful tool for healing and creativity.
Buddhism seeks to cultivate a state of mind which is the opposite of the psychedelic experience. If everyday mind is like ringing a bell, psychedelics cause the bell to ring more loudly and rapidly, Buddhism seeks to slow down the bell's ringing, or even get it to stop. You can pursue any state you like, but to me, buddhism and psychedelics are opposites. The Ego desires it's own death and thus drives you towards psychedelics, the Ego doesn't care what it does to other aspects of the mind. With meditation you can calm the Ego without impacting the function of other aspects of the mind.
I’m curious to know if this statement comes with any experience. I’m not familiar with this loud and rapid bell description. It’s quite the opposite for me. My experiences with psychedelics have been profound and energetically organizing and uplifting. I also aim to meditate and cultivate peace of mind. Buddhism is applied to daily life. Psychedelics are not a daily application. That’s where they differ. It is medicine.
@@meshnykon8073 I have experiences with Mushrooms and Salvia. Mushrooms not gone above 7g of cubes. My experiences with mushrooms are always very existential. I find that the act of perception is burning to my mind. I feel that the mind was a terrible, cruel mistake and I long for dark, still silence. For me anything below about 2g is mood lifting, going beyond transcends mood and I crave death as I'm being roasted infront of the inferno which is perception.
Most people in comments are sour because they only half understood what His Holiness meant by illusions already being there and not needing any more hallucinogens to get even deeper into illusions. Enlightenment is not a destination or a hierarchy where people need to get to, its a state of being, its a combination of action and no action of what is and is not, its a state when you've understood and realised the nature of reality. Psychedelics are cool and somewhat thought provoking but its like thinking of deep philosophies in the matrix, you need to know if the matrix itself is for real and no amount of LSD or DMT will make you realise that. Its easy to take a drop and zone out into everything but if it were so easy it wouldn't be as good as its claimed in the dharma, its like buying cheap stuff and expecting it to last long or be of quality.
I feel as though Dalai Lama respects the power and inherit spirituality of the DMT based psychadelics (shrooms, dmt, lsd). He doesn't agree with it because, if you can come to a similar place from meditation as you come to on DMT, you would have much more lasting control of your mind.
Why not do both? A lot of people have great success with psychedelics and a strong meditation practice. You can sit on a cushion for decades and never get an experience like you can with a psychedelic, and take psychedelics without a practice and not be able to sustain the awakening. It's not mutually exclusive. A lot of Buddhist teachers are not open-minded about this stuff, when they should be.
Great questions for him. Done right, the additional illusions are there to tell a story beyond what written language can tell. You shouldnt "rely" on anything but it is the best tool we have to cultivate your mind and understand yourself.
"simply cultivate the nature quality of mind, that is much better" firstly using the word "better" already imply comparison, comparison is judgment (good, bad, better...) secondly how do you compare one thing with another if you just know one of them? 3rd how we can totally understand the whole if we choose one instead of another? such thing as mushroom, DMT they are all come out from nature?
It's kind of like eating something that is already prepared for you and working for something to eat with your own hands. Planting your seeds, growing your own food, instead of just taking everything already there. Same with spirituality. It's better when it takes more time, effort and work. Which makes you more spiritually patient, stronger and so on. You learn more values on the way.
Dalai is usually good, but here he screws up. At least he begins by saying he hasn't tried psychedelic drugs. He should have left it at that! Psychedelics don't create more illusions, they remove illusions! Perhaps the reason the people who talk to him who have tried psychedelics, disparage them, is the very reason they come for advice from him in the first place! If they hadn't been scared by what they found in the psychedelic experience (the Truth, with a capital T), and true understanding of Buddhism, Nagarjuna-style, they probably wouldn't be seeking his advice. It's a shame he hasn't met anybody who had had good experiences on psychedelics (the vast majority). Maybe in the future, psychedelics, Buddhism and science will become closer to eachother, and people will start to realize there is a lot to learn from eachother. It's kind of amazing he has never caught on to the fact that people who try psychedelics immediately become interested in eastern religions, particularly Buddhism, even if they never had been interested before.
tripleglaze It all depends on what you mean by "the masters." Sri Ramakrishna took a lot of drugs, that's for sure. And who knows about all the others? No one. And +Mystic Caravan is right about the soma. It was forbidden by the brahmanist priests. The Christian Church stamped out the Eleusisinian mystery religion in Greece which had gone on for 2000 years straight. I doesn't take a lot of imagination to think that other organizations have been rather quick to stamp out any evidence if their "founders" had advocated psychedelic use. It's not good for business, because people don't need the church or the priests. They can understand all they need on their own. Whether psychedelics are disallowed by any religion al depends on what you mean by "drugs" or "intoxicants." There is a very good case to be made that psychedelics are not drugs, in that they don't do anything. They are just catalysts for the potentials for change which are already in you. They are more like food. If you take a sleeping pill, you go to sleep, no matter when or where you take it. If you take a stimulant, you are stimulated no matter when or where you take it. But if you take a psychedelic, no one can predict exactly what will happen to you, it all depends on when and where you take it, and how you are inside your mind. So it doesn't fit the usual definition of a drug. "Spiritual development does not rely on plants and substances, we have all of the forces and tools already inside of us, we just have to learn how to use them properly." Right. You have all the chemicals and drugs inside your system, already, and how you use your mind, regulates how those endogenous drugs are released and work. But that's like saying that only the drugs my mind makes are any good, not the ones I can get from a plant. That's a pretty peculiar doctrine, and one which has no foundation in any logic. Our bodies need plants and food to grow and sustain and to make those drugs. So in a very real way, the drugs inside your brain COME from plants in the first place! Besides, psychedelics don't do anything on their own. All they do is catalyze the release of "those forces and tools already inside us". "The beauty and wonder that can be experienced by the sober mind in elevated states of consciousness are far beyond the experiences of hallucinatory states that psychedelics provoke." How do you know? Only by making the experiment can you gain any knowledge on what you are talking about. And I don't mean taking a teeny tiny dose, and trying hard to repress anything that comes up, and then say "see! Nothing happened! I must have been right. Phew! Now I can go back to my fussing and fretting over doctrines and quotes from people long dead, instead of trying to find out the truth for myself." I mean experimenting to find the truth. If someone makes a claim, then if someone was really interested in whether that claim held water, they would try to replicate the circumstances they had been told were necesssry. The drug, the set and setting, and the determination to really try and find out if there is something to it. Not to go into it with the determination to make it fail. Then it'll probably fail. Unless you take a huge dose, and the truth will be irresistable, for a few minutes at least, before you can start trying to forget it happened, and start lying to yourself, if that's what you need to do. Besides, "the hallucinatory states"? What hallucinatory states? My usual experience has been the removal of illusions, not the production of them. Besides, the imagery and patterns, if that is what you are referring to, first of all aren't hallucinations, because one knows they aren't reallly there, and second, is such a small part of the beginning of a trip, and not of any emotional importance to most people who take a trip. It is the insights one gets, and the removal of previously self-imposed liminations on understanding which is the point of it all.
tripleglaze "There is no clear evidence to support the idea that the Masters ingested psychedelics to aid them on their spiritual journey. If they did take such substances then it would have been clearly illustrated." Why WOULD it have been? By whom? We have no way of knowing who wrote most ancient works, or what their relations to "the masters" were. "Those things you mentioned are symbolic representations of other things, they have nothing to do with drug use." The experts don't agree with eachother on the points. So that's quite a statement you have there. I didn't know the debate had been resolved. Suddenly. On all the matters mentioned. Strange, because some of those have been disputed for the last 70 years at least. "The beauty and wonder that can be experienced by the sober mind in elevated states of consciousness are far beyond the experiences of hallucinatory states that psychedelics provoke." You don't know what people experience. Besides, what has "beauty and wonder" to do with Enlightenment or Buddhism or anything like that? I thought the truth and freedom was the goal. Of course beauty and wonder feels good. But is what feels good the right direction? Maybe it is, I don't know. And neither do you. I wish you would just admit you are as much in the dark as to the right way as everybody else, and stop pretending to be privy to some information which other philosophies or religions can't possibly know about or have anything as good.. "The subjects are tested prior to ingesting the drug and then afterwards in order to record differences, there is a clearly impaired ability to perform those tasks while the subject is intoxicated." If you were contemplating the deepest questions of life, while inside your minds eye there were visions of exploding suns and galaxies, you too would do poorly on a crossword puzzle. Or driving a car. You would also be bad at driving if you were playing the violion. Does that mean playing the violin results in an "impaired mental" state? "Actually the "super-sober" mind which is far beyond our so-called "sober" mind is capable of perceiving far beyond the physical dimension, something which psychedelics can only imitate." You know nothing. "Drugs and psychedelics only create a thicker dream like fog around ones perception of reality, worst of all one may become lucid within that environment, thus one thinks that they clearly see reality but really they only mistake their hallucinatory subjective experience as objective." You know nothing. And don't even get me started on "objective" contra "subjective." If you believe there is such a thing, and it is neatly divisible, you apparently don't understand the slightest bit about it. Anyone who tries to distinguish the two, is immediately bound up in insoluble paradoxes. And if you aren't, it's because you don't understand the problems properly. Philosophy has yet to be able to define it, nor the concept of reality implicit in the distinction. And the way you bandy about words which make it sound like you think you understand the world pretty well, and that you are on to the way the world and the self "really" is, makes me think you are probably a lost cause. If you think you are getting anywhere, you're on the wrong track. Take a big dose of LSD, and then talk to me, and tell me you still believe all that stuff, or think maybe everything isn't so neat and clear.
ok, I don't support tripleglaze user in this discussion, because it looks like he/she hasn't tried psychedelics and tries to recite readings instead of actually thinking , but Isak Lytting, you are wrong. Psychedelics do create more illusions in a sense that they bring these higher states of consciousness to unprepared minds. Shortcuts are not a blessing, when we talk about following practices. Shortcuts give false impression of achieving enlightenment, whereas 'enlightenment' is not just knowing something, it is _doing_ something. So in this sense, psychedelics just bring distractions, when one truly practices dharma.
tripleglaze you do realize you go beyond a normal state on lsd? Someone was speaking into my mind without using words that was 20ft from me... I rest my case, I was also riding a bike as this was happening so I was stable Also yes... my mind was unprerepared but I felt at 1 with the universe, not as a god a higher being. I felt connected, if that's what happens when you trip I'm sorry your mind has those illusions. Every false reality does not exist when I do LSD, I just see life in such a beutiful way
0:55 he said he never tried lsd or mushrooms so his opinion is irrelevant I think a shamen from a native Indian tribe would be a better person to ask about meditation and plant medicine. I've done lots of lsd and I know for fact that there's alot more to reality than we can see
Actually the Dalia Lama has maybe forgotten that "the science of mind" in sanskrit is "Adhyatma Vidya" Meditation is a laboratory in which we discover our true and fullly perfect qualities.
Even if he had a more complex opinion about this topic, wouldn't he weaken his position, by telling it to people who mostly are very closeminded about this topic. It could also be an excuse for an abusive use of this substances for some people (which could cause more suffering), if he would have taken a positive position towards this topic.
Psychedelic effects are only on one side illusory. They also confront the user with his life which more kind of an integration. I see the main use of psycheldelics to introduce people who have lived their whole life in a bubble of believes which they have been taught. Psychedelics can be the first step to open their minds to see that there is more out there. But for profound changes meditation is inevitable. But in my oppinion with the fast development of AI and technologies we don't have time for everyone to find his truth in his own speed.
Yeah, I expected him to deflect/ridicule the questions in a way that his cult audience would have a laugh at. So typical of all the cult leaders. He can simply answer that he doesn't have enough knowledge to answer the question. Whatever is true is science and whatever isn't science isn't true and can be and should be questioned.
i have to say that even if he hasn't tried those substances dalai lama has the most accurate answer, if you trip or have an ilusion you are not in the now anymore and that's what being awakened is about. so stop talking shit hating people.
Then, like , Buddha comes in and I`m like....wow! this is amazing, and I just get it, you know, It`s incredible, Buddha is ,like, tripping balls under the bodhi tree and I just get it, uh... yeah, uh....it`s like, I`m off my original face and right there in the Bardo and all the deities are in a stupa,man, looking awesome and saying, like, man, this is it! you know what I mean?
psychadelics are a spoiler of enlightenment, showing u , why u should keep on meditating, even though chances of getting enlightenment through meditation are minimal....
There is some truth and some ignorance in his assessment of psychedelics. 1. Psychedelics do not create additional illusions... they sometimes profoundly magnify and help us face our illusions more powerfully. And they sometimes provide extraordinary insight and experiences of transformation. 2. Agreed that in 'serious' practice we should not rely on external factors for cultivating "quality of mind", to find freedom from suffering and cultivating loving kindness. 3. Psychedelics can enhance serious practice where people tend to get dry and dogmatic. With a disciplined and practiced mind they can become profound catalysts for insight, growth and compassion. 4. The therapeutic value of psychedelics is extraordinary for people suffering from addiction and depression... People for whom meditation practice cannot readily help. How many people who have had experiences with psychedelics have re-evaluated their lives and been inspired to choose spiritual paths and religions like Buddhism? Many.
He has no idea what he's missing out on its quite hilarious when he says the other way is better while not having ever even seen the psychedelic realm. Amazin that he isn't aware of his fallacy
it is better to get there without outside influence. How many people have u met that have had a few extreme psychedelic experiences that go around claiming to be enlightened while not understanding what that term really means, which is understanding their place in the universe and helping others find their own. It's easy for the mind to fool itself while on a drug, while you'll know for certain if you're lying under meditation. Ego death in it's true form can do this as well but it's easier to rationalIze it as just a hallucination even tho u caught a glimpse of what u need to accept as truth. All the new age people out there give truly enlightened people a bad name as they just feed their own ego while the truly enlightened just want to spread peace and understanding
Can't believe some people would discredit Dalai cause he's not experienced in psychedelics. Psychedelics help u to get enlightened, to see the truth, which means it is not the only way of doing it. There are and were holy people who spends their whole life to achieve that psychedelic state sober. Why do people who took psychedelics so quick to judge on the others. respect
It is a sensitive subject and the general attitude in this video is ignorance toward this sensitive topic. The "interviewer" is what bothers me more. He was putting words into his mouth and making his own comments when no one was asking him.
SooChan Kwak One definition of Enlightenment is "freedom from the suffering mind"A suffering mind could be caused by ones personal life experience,or ones surroundings,you cant change those surroundings,memories, by getting high.After the trip you would find yourself back into suffering.Drugs are just a crutch, a phoney spiritual high,that is not the way to Enlightenment.also there is the danger of injuring ones mind or body.In fact we are all Enlightend already,but the ego blocks the way,get rid of ego attachment then your real nature shines,its very simple.Likewise drugs block the way with more illusions on top of the one called ego..the ego isnt real, its just an idea of who one is thats all, its just as phoney as drugs.
For "thunderbold Buddhism" (Vajrayana) a few ceremonies of 5-meo-dmt is the most effective tool to get to enlightenment. Meditation is then a fantastic tool used to integrate the experience.
Well having experienced LSD my experience was You can become one with the universe, experience god on a personal level and see 'the light' without 40 years of fasting and meditation. Is it a 'cop-out'? If you want the view from the mountain top can you only experience the benefits of the view after struggling for hours, or will the Ski lift work just as well? Some people want to struggle, others take the Ski lift. I'm not judgemental. Boom Shankar.
Buddha was afraid of psychedelics. You gotta have a lot of balls to accept you don't exists and at the same time you are united with everything that has been. Once the DMT activates in your brain and you have experienced inexistence everything unfolds, life becomes easier and less stressful you may not need a second dose.
It saddens me to see more people on me all debating and freaking out about how he's dismissing taking psychedelics based on his own beliefs. If he doesn't, so what, that doesn't mean you shouldn't. It's his choice, just as you have your own as well. Who cares if he does psychedelics or not? This man is promoting world peace and minimalism and a corrupt and consumerist society. The real shock from this video is how he dismisses the last question about what young people should be doing in the world to be successful while staying true to moral principles. Maybe that's just it. To be truly successful we must stay true to our moral principles in order to function better in society as a whole.
Not using any substance is the best way to be, but if you really feel compelled to use mind altering drugs psychedelics are the best kind to use as they can at least show you new possibilities and addiction is very unlikely. Of course there are inherent dangers with them but if you are reasonably well grounded and you have a good quality, reliable source you should be fine- although I would be wary of psychedelics that are produced in a laboratory and stick with the natural ones (eg. mushrooms, peyote, ayauascha). Ultimately spiritual/meditative practice is the best way to realize lasting joy and wisdom.
monks can not take such things, he is just the superwrong guy to ask, .....u dont ask a shaman, about monk life either....his answer was very expected, he has a reputation to watch, .....maybe if u ask him, off camera, personally, there would be a slight diffrent answer, but i dont think so
Psychedelic effects are indescribable if viewed from the inside by direct experience. If looked at from an outside perspective physical effects can be determined but nothing more. the psychedelic experience can and will change your life, the direction is chosen by your state of mind. Taking the experience that we call life as a whole means different paths and meanings for each individual, therefore one cannot say any substance in particular is bad or good as all this in itself is relative. Judge for yourself, give advice but never say this is what you can or cannot do (Not directly referring to the words of HHDL). If life takes you to psychedelics it is no shame to try, if not then that is no shame either. Life is beautiful and nothing you do will suddenly make you not yourself. Psychedelics are just one way to understanding, or to some state of higher conciousness for some, others may find meditation, trance or other practices more useful. No path that doesn't harm others should be considered wrong as each and everyones lives lead somewhere different. Think, live and be free after all you yourself are nature just like all that is around you!
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Enlightenment requires a specific desire. A complete desire for a spiritual ,and not material life. Drugs can instill this desire in you ,but that is all it can do. Drugs can create the required desire, it cannot fullfill it when it is there. The false belief drugs CAN fullfill this desire is a very destructive path to go on.
Recognition of true nature is so completely different from any psychedelic "trip". The psychedelics only vaguely point toward some qualities one realizes through the recognition, but are not the same. It is an illusion that people think that psychedelics bring them closer. The illusion is that people think they reached the place (of God) but in truth they have not. Most psychedelics make people feel so special and yet, feeling so special is another illusion. Recognizing our true nature is very simple and yet so very different from using any type of substances. Sober practice is the key. *speaking from a direct experience of both.
Fascinating crossroads the title of the video has created. From the standpoint of being a buddhist/taoist there is nothing wrong with having a psychedelic experience, from where i stand. This is the opinion of one man, a man who, perhaps has conquered himself, but still a man, and still only offering his opinion, his truth. Set your hearts as you see fit and find your own truth. If you cannot find friend or master to go with you, travel on alone than with a fool for company. Good luck, but by the way, he has a point here.
Why is it then that many people who took DMT all report very similar experiences of the true nature of reality, experiencing the divine light and having deja vu of being in that place many times after death and before birth?
I have no problem against a scientifically-sound base for meditation if it proven to be helpful. My issue is with the whole spiritual baggage attached to that. Here is a question for Buddhists, if your whole philosophy is that the world is an illusion or a projection of the mind, than isn't your worldview complete self-defeating nonsense? Because if the world is an illusion, that means that the realisation that the world is an illusion is itself also an illusion. So, from that vantage point, you're not actually getting anywhere metaphysically, it's just a very sohpisticated feel good happy meal ethos. Not trying to be disrespectful, GOD bless and happy new year!
Seems like a `"proof" today is something people have seen or read in a book or on the internet and not their own experience believe is useles once you see. Until then it is only an hypothesis
The problem with people who have intellectual or spiritual authority get too comfortable with what they know or they they look at the world. He can just say : I have no idea about psychedelics and I can not say anything until I dive deeper in the subject. Sadghuru had the same reaction.
If you take a large dose of a psychedelic, you almost cant help see the truth for a little while. Its the most direct way to Enlightenment. Read "Millbrook" on the web by Arthur Kleps. Great book on psychedelics and Buddhism and Enlightenment. Having a single psychedelic experience can bring therapeutic results like you would need 10 years on a psychologists couch to achieve. All this is known to people who try psychedelics, and don't begin to get scared and start deluding themselves later and lie about what they have experienced. There is no need for meditation or putting nails into your body or sitting on a mountain top for 30 years. Just eat some mushrooms, drink some Ayahuasca, or take some LSD. You'll likely find Enlightenment, but maybe you'll find you didn't really want it once you do. That's what happened to all these idiots saying bad things about psychedelics. Their just running scared, and trying to find solace by taking as many people with them as they can (safety in numbers.) Grow up!
One more thing you need when eating those 'shrooms, that's peace of mind for a few hours. No good having to worry about appointments or work, and best keep the phone off the hook too. Otherwise concur with all you say. The DL is just being PC or as he says, has no experience himself.
if it had been so easy..thn almost 60% of world wud be awakened..its abt controlling ur mind....i will quote some lines from different religion.. 1) tulsi rann main jujhna,pal do pal ka kaam, nit uth man se joojhna, bin khande sangram translation: o tulsidas(the writer) fighting in battle is easy and short... but controlling ur mind after getting up every morning is a battle without sword 2) its from quran....what is jehad !! this word comes 41 times in quran and very few times in political or worldly manner...it actually means fight between u and ur mind to get to god.. thats why sometimes i dont feel hate but pity at pakistanis...they r blasting bombs in the name of jihad...hw much more manipulation does a religion need.. i forgot which verses of bible say so...if somebody wants to know i will be obliged to find the same thing..
To ask why we NEED additional “hallucinatory” experience’s apart from our regular day to day life is an absurd thing to ask if that’s why you’ve never tried them. These things on 5 grams of dried mushrooms provide a breakthrough of all religious and true experience as we know it. 5 grams of mushrooms isn’t even that much by the way. I’m not trying to fool you into trying some drug that you’ll get hooked on. I’m simply saying that there is an entire hidden landscape and ideology you can have if you try it once
When a guru or a spiritual leader or whatever it may be, says he never tried a psychedelic, he does not really have much of a say on the matter. It would be like a person who has never been to space explaining to people what being in space feels like - he hasn't even experienced it so how can he testify about it or against it? I agree that being able to reach the same states without any external help would be much more beautiful, however who's to say that it's even reachable? perhaps with proper use of psychedelics very seldom, can you use the experiences to go much further while sober than you would have ever been able to without having had these mind revealing experiences?
He was being coy, of course he's tried a variety of things, he isn't saying don't do hallucinogens either... just that to obtain deeper states you need a calm environment. Trying to find specific altered states through drugs is like trying to isolate the flavor of a strawberry in a fruit smoothie, when you could just eat the fruit for itself.
I think the Dalai Lama has a great responsibility to be a good representation of Tibet and Buddhism as a whole that I think with questions like these he has to be careful. With that being said, I think of one hasn’t experienced a psychedelic experience before then I think ones views about them are unfounded. Great respect for the Dalai Lama BUT the Buddha always taught to investigate what is true, not succumb to common views, and regardless of the Dalai Lama or right or not his view is a common view held by most people in our society and this must be held to the same level of examination and suspicion as other views held as true.
I have questions to ask higher states of consciousness and all sorts, I am not able to pay attention in that way in an illusive way, I prefer life straight forth and have only come across negative experiences with spirituality and drugs. It’s not something my mind can handle. My mind can’t be cultivated that way, I feel like drugs and spirituality is just a governmental. Control. As to why on earth would these chemicals be available in the first place... it’s spooky for me to mix the two
This information has just come to me, that if you use spirituality and drugs, someone somewhere will know about it... and that. Someone could not be a higher being, as to this you could get hacked, spiritually hacked and computer hacked to thinking like another person, and not improving the way God of the angel armies wishes you too
The fact is any psychedelic substance no matter how many ever times ingested and experienced will take you a step higher towards the revelation of your consciousness and its place in nature. Apparently the old monk here who is appreciated for his wisdom and patience through out the world, inched his way to this level of consciousness using only his primordial human brain which suffices as a mean to the same end. Now reading all these comments on hate by some of the so called Psy community lovers which stand for Love and Respect shows me that LSD today is not respected for its true value and their ignorance is regretful.
I agree.. Its all about your Dharma.... What is your reason to exist.... What will be your path to Enlightenment and Nirvana... Its all a self experienced travel guide, that only you can read and understand my friends!
Psychedelics have a lot to teach, Beyond the knowledge we currently have. It will really raise your consciousness fast and make you more conscious of the unconscious. RESEARCH
He is not advocating on not using psychedelics, he is saying "one must not rely on external substances" to reach enlightenment. It must be done through yourself. And I agree with that. But I do believe that psychedelics can be used to "open the door" so to speak
but this is d problem, if psychedalics opened the door then only they can do it..
and like ol drugs if we r finished with lsd,we wud hv a big problem,bigger thn withdrawl symptoms....we wont b able to meditate and if u hv felt zen/truth, u will go crazy..
Abhay Rana i found enlightenment on psychedelics and post that experience i dont drink alcohol, i eat better and i dont use any drugs...just meditate with weed and psychedelics every so often when im in the mood.... The original Buddhists got pretty high also. You know these natural things are left for a reason, like mario and his shrooms or sonic and his golden hoops....you have to do the hard work, but it helps to take your mind to the gym and have a power up every so often.
*****
what enlightenment???? which flower?
Abhay Rana my own enlightenment...go find yours its different for everyone and theres many paths so just follow your heart. For me it was different things, san pedro cactus, shrooms, ayauhasca and weed and others but you can do it with or without...but there is a herbal witch in me so i chose the shamanic medicine path.
enlightenment is different for everybody....
my gudness..
my question had 10 answers to just two questions
but as u said"enlightenment is different for everybody...." i hv no words...
njoy ur enlightenment...
Interestingly enough, the strongest acid i've ever had was a blotter called Dalai Lama. One of these resulted in ego-death (which was the first time I experienced it) and after this, my fear of death was no longer present. Still is not. I think psychedelics create some illusions while simultaneously removing others.
Totally agree 👍🏼
@@MysticCaravan so i need to do heroin to tell people it's a bad idea? easy there pal.
@@kshinji I think he means people who aren't very knowledgeable about it shouldn't discourage people from trying different things. Everyone knows what doing heroin leads to. Psychedelics on the other hand have a lot of unexplored potential, especially in psychology (not to mention they aren't addictive). Can't inform someone on something you know knothing about.
Mine too in Mexico City like 400 micrograms jaha
same actually, ego death is a very serious thing and should be regarded as such, invalidating it as a serious life altering, mystical experience does nothing to serve the cultivation of understanding and consciousness, for the altering of consciousness is still an experience within ones own conscious, whether for better or for worse, how can one truly know where he stands in the universe, if he has not experienced all that life has to offer, good or bad are human qualities we've assigned experiences in order to make sense of things. but ultimately it is all experience and thus invaluable to the development of understanding and it seems very unwise to suggest that you dont at least investigate it for yourself, but also, acknowledge the risk vs reward factor. i think you need to ask yourself one question, "what is my intention" that will really explain it all to you.
Psychedelics are a useful tool, but developing a daily practice will be more practical and beneficial in the long run. I’ve had ego death on lsd twice, and though it was certainly profound and liberating, alone it is not enough. I still carry many of the same problems I had before I did lsd only now I am aware of them. Psychedelics are a wonderful tool that can open the door, but if you really want to get somewhere you have to do the work. In short, psychedelics are great, but they are not the end all be all. If that were the case, then every college kid with an acid tab would be a sage, but that’s just not how it works. True and lasting enlightenment takes personal effort.
I agree
Stop drugs forever and practice Vipassana, those substances are only illusions acting as shackles for your mind. The experiences you really want require a pristinely pure and undiluted mind. As clean as a perfect diamond, don’t take anything and practice vipassana in that way. You’ll never want to use a drug ever again I promise. Sarva Mangalam. 🙏
He is not wrong. He is saying that it is a better alternative to explore and expand consciousness through meditation.
The strongest hallucinogens are already produced inside of our brains. We don't need external stimuli. We can achieve higher states on our own.
Although I personally see the purpose of hallucinogens.. they are here for a reason and do help us. He didn't condemn drug use. He didn't state you shouldn't do it. He said it was better to reach enlightenment on your own.
Vince SC "The strongest hallucinogens are already produced inside of our brains"
Exactly. DMT, which is considered to be the most potent, believed to be produced in the pineal gland.
***** Well that's a terrible post.. Meditation and yoga are highly valuable tools, just like mushrooms and DMTs.
Do all four, and you will reach something higher.
No need for such childish vulgarity
***** Chill... someone asked him the question, and I am saying I disagree with him on certain drug use.
Either way, if you bothered to read my post, you'd notice that I am saying these are great tools for accessing truth. No need to be so aggressive. You're in the comments section of the religious leader of Buddhism. chill.
+Vince SC You and the Dalai Lama fail to understand that some of us have had 'that' bad a time in our lives, that we 'cannot' achieve a higher state of conciousness 'without' using an hallucinogen! And if we cannot achieve it without, it would still be better to achieve it WITH than not at all!
He also is NOT right to correct other religious peoples that use hallucinogens as part of their ceremonies (which he does when he says people should NOT rely on them), such as the Native Americans with Mescaline and Indigenous Amazonian tribes with ayahuasca, and saying so is ignorant to put it lightly. ...That would be like saying..."you should't need Morphine for spinal surgery, because I didn't need it!" Having an attitude like that is utter bollocks! - Not everything the Dalai Lama say's is correct, and he should know that the vast majority of us cannot for the life of ourselves find our reason for being.
If the current Dalai Lama was sacked from his job, I wonder if his moral would still be as high stacking shelves 12 hours a day/6 days a week and not need a trip now and again! And by the sounds of it, he could use 'autopilot mode' and sleep while his body works like a robot till he awakes.....
Drug use PRE-DATES ALL and EVERY form of religion and even the written word! It always HAS been this way and always WILL BE!....Simply because we are HUMAN and are genetically programmed to explore!
+Bujf vjg you're very much off base. I've been the victim of all kinds of abuse, yet I've gone deeper thru meditation than any psychedelic experience I've ever had, which are very high doses of ayahuasca, shrooms, lsd, and dmt. Holding on to your past and claiming to be a product of your environment instead of realizing that you're a product of the choices you made is too childish to be taken seriously. You're simply using drugs to escape reality and claim pseudo enlightenment, so much so that u alter facts to reinforce your ego. Those tribes don't rely on drugs, they simply use them as a tool, but they can still get to the same level through meditation and often do. Stop playing the victim card and cultivate your mind to see truth without the use of drugs, then if possible, use them to get to a higher level of consciousness faster and to show u new things that are useful. don't attack something that u have a poor understanding of just because it hurt your ego and maybe show respect for a difference of opinion
I love the dalai lama, and all that he represents, and I also have a great deal of respect for him saying that people can attain 'enlightenment' (or whatever you want to call it) without the use of psychedelics. But I really do fear that the timescale that we have left on this planet for the human species to not become extinct is too short for him to dismiss the use of psychedelics as agents for changing peoples minds about our current predicament. I do not say this lightly, but anyone with experience in this area has probably been witness to people going into psychedelic experiences complete egotistical jerks and then re-emerging relatively decent and levelled people. A medicine this strong, and this efficacious, should be utilized, not dismissed.
For some solid science about this please research the recent studies, only just allowed due to changes in the law, done by Roland Griffiths, into the effects on peoples perspective due to psilocybin. Published in the highly respected journal of psychopharmacology.
Also several ancient cultures which weren't familiar with yoga and meditation have used psychedelics as a means to achieve enlightenment and communicate with the spirit realm
Yeah i can see were they are coming from, but they obviously dont know about the facts on Psilocybin or Lsd, and when ever you mention it to someone especially a family member you are treated as a heretic. Ridiculous
Good point.
The Dalia Lama is an important teacher. He himself acknowledges that he has limitations. This is a topic he admits to not having first hand experience about, but this topic is one of the most pivotal topics to understand fully, for each individual and for humanity.
Traditional Mediation is a Vital Tool, but its only One tool among Many. Purists always argue for their tool only. And religions especially dogmatically preach their path only. What matters is not the tool, but the Results.
To the fundamental questions of Illusion, Serious Practice, and External methods. Meditation is valuable only if it produces the necessary result. It is not a panacea, or a sacred cow, or without any fault. It is only a tool. We must incorporate all tools that have value.
Meditation and Entheogens, among other tools, can produce a Clear and Deep States of Consciousness when used properly. Talk of Illusion is a Red Herring, and could be made about meditation or any other tool, which misses the point. We must discuss the profound topic of consciousness exploration with first hand experience, and not what weve heard. It would be like never practicing meditation and then lecturing about it.
For the vast majority of people who have tried traditional meditation, the results are moderate quality of life improvements at best, and most rarely actually practice it. The entire foundation of Buddhism is Enlightenment, that is the goal, that is the intended result. Traditional meditation is only a boat, and its like a row boat crossing the ocean. Profound results from Entheogens are nearly guaranteed, especially with proper considerations of Mindset, Setting, Dosage, and led by a knowledgeable individual. Entheogens are also only a tool and technology, but they offer profound realizations more reliably than meditation, its like taking a 747 across the ocean. They only take you to the door, they do not create the door.
All new technologies are at first dismissed or condemned by the status quo, by traditional and inexperienced elders. This has happened with writing, the scientific method, the telescope, microscope, mathematics, understanding of natural selection, of quantum dynamics, of cosmic evolution, with sensory augmentation or deprivation, all new music and film, all medicine, meditation, yoga, entheogens, and just about everything else. This is nothing new. That is how religions sustain themselves.
In the end, its not about one tool versus another, its about using effective tools in the proper amounts, at the right times, and in valuable combinations. This is the only conversation that should be taking place. Traditional meditation in the East has been tried for over Two Thousand Years and has produced as much Authoritarianism and Empire as in the West. Its time to evolve. Seriously. We are now on the brink of the Sixth Extinction and the Ruin of our Planet.
Expanding and Deepening our Consciousness is the most pivotal topics of our time. This is Serious Practice. Which is not external or Illusory. Rather the stifling of this is the only deception occurring. What is needed now are new ideas, that are considered by different minds than those that have failed to solve our current problems.
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I think that psychedelics are a medium for people who just don't have the patience or correct understanding of meditation. I believe that things like mushrooms and ayahuasca and other plants should be treated with respect and not to have a good time with. I have never taken any psychedelic before, but I am open to the possibility. Nature gives these things to us and there are many old tribes that used psychedelics for thousands of years as part of their spiritual growth. the meditative state can be acheived with the use of psychs, but the problem is that it is not appreciated as much as someone who worked really hard to get to that stage. personally I do want to try something in the future, and I am thinking mushrooms, very small doses in a controlled environment should give me some insight. I will post again if I found some info that could help you guys. Have an awesome week xx
Possibly the most sane comment here.
if you do plan on taking shrooms the environment will not matter, your mental state will determine how the trip goes. that is the basis of using shrooms, you will probably see/hear/experience many things that are hard to explain. the best thing you can do while tripping is not to fight the effects, thats when anxiety builds up and people begin to question everything. in my opinion, psychedelics are simply tools used to expand your imagination, and alter your perception.
YOU CANNOT TAKE SHORTCUTS. Enlightenment doesn't make exceptions of lazy or impatient people. You must work towards it. Drugs will do nothing.
How’d it go? Did you end up trying?
@@iBuyBitcoin I did, so I failed to mention I have anxiety disorder and I ordered some mushrooms online, it didn't do much, but my anxiety was completely gone, the next day it returned though.
I think psychedelics are powerful tools for exploring our consciousness, but I don't think they bring you enlightenment. I think they have their place and can be used for many spiritual and therapeutic reasons, but they're not the ultimate answers to life. They're tools like every other tool. They are medicines like any other medicine.
Probably the wisest comment out here
Do you come to this conclusion through direct experience or just from what you’ve read?
'like any other medicine' yeah fuck off, xanax is a medicine
I too think they produce more illusion.
@@soulmateseverywhere6309 The lsd is a catalyst of our conscious and our unconscious, what we call "trip" is literally that, when we take lsd we open up to an inner journey beyond the imaginable, it is also why scientists create it, to explore our brain in depth. But after I agree that it is only a tool (used in therapeutic medicine as well), we can reach this level of self-understanding, but it takes titanic work, and does not lead to enlightenment, just a better understanding of self.
(english is not my mothertongue ^^')
Also, they guy is the human Yoda. Even the way he talks.. very Yoda, from return of the Jedi hahah
Hahah so true!!
One crucial thing that the Dalai Lama is missing, that has been confirmed by a bunch of research since this talk, is that psychedelics don't just provide peak experiences. They also vastly increase neuroplasticity for a period of weeks or months at a time. Neuroplasticity makes it much easier to learn any skill, including meditation, whereas otherwise, once you are out of your teens or mid-20s, you are fighting biology and increasingly ossified brains, which is one reason why so many people fail to progress in meditation. (Other reasons include trauma and PTSD, which often prove too powerful for meditation alone to treat.) Psychedelics also make other means much more effective, like yoga, neurofeedback and direct brain stimulation.
The Dalai Lama says that he is not enlightened, and I don't think he is just being modest. I think he means it, as he is comparing himself to the truly great masters who have spent decades on retreat, and whom he has met many of in his life. And even they are not by default 'omniscient', as enlightenment does not mean you are omniscient. He has never claimed to have all the answers, or even that Buddhism has all the answers.
People keep saying that psychedelics are an easy route - this is simply not the case. They act quickly but they are far from easy. A powerful mushroom or DMT trip is a challenge for your whole being - it questions your ego, your assumptions, the whole fabric of reality and reminds you of the life force that is you and connects with everything in the cosmos. These substances are not cheap party tricks and should be taken very seriously by both academia, religious leaders and politicians and society at large. I suggest the Dalai Lama try one of these substances so he can at least compare what he has experienced through meditation with the power of psychedelics.
I couldn't agree more
100%
True. Some of the truly great yogis have tried psychedelics and they had no effect. But the Dalai Lama isn't one of them, by his own admission. He might actually benefit. One lama who did 5 meo DMT said it was the farthest you could go into the after-death states without actually dying. Just shows you how powerful these substances are.
It is still an easy route
Psychedelics are a rite of passage, but a daily meditation practice should both preceed and follow.
the interviewer looks like a martial arts villain who turned good at the end of the movie lol
They're not additional illusory experiences, they're simply different ones. And you need them to understand how your day-to-day experience is in fact also in many ways an illusion. Not necessarily a bad illusion, not a false illusion, but still merely one of many ways for your brain to interpret its surroundings.
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Using psychedelics to experience a higher state of consciousness is like enjoying a weeks vacation to to a nice relaxed tropical place but in the end you still go back to an unenjoyable job in a humdrum town. It allows you to see a potential other or alternative but ultimately will not give it to you. If you want to enhance your life and elevate your mind you must put in the work to attain it. Psychadelics are phenominal in many ways, but as with all tools and/or endulgences they have their uses and they have their limits of what is healthy.
Of course one needs to integrate the experience.
an unfortunate thing such a simplistic answer was given. hopefully one day the true power and awe of the psychedelics, as a tool to be used in conjunction with meditative techniques, will be explored and brought to more people's awareness.
L.S.D. Assistance opened my mind to the universal flow, I see the overwhelming beauty in everything. Especially these humble folks and their message to the world. peace
I have felt utter oneness with Brahman, edo desolation and fear of death, what felt like a glimpse at Moksha/Nirvana high dose psychedelics, the need to be kinder to others and respect nature, freedom from large amounts of material needs, and ego dissolution followed by acceptance of death... Reconing with what I have learned from psychedelics is what has sent me into my study of Buddhism and Hinduism. Like the Hindu principle of Brahman, absolute oneness, seemed more like an explanation of what I felt in my psychedelic journeys.
Those that will not even try psychedelics in their quest for enlightenment, are just conservative and not open to new things.
Science has proven DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are psychedelics endogenous to the human body. It makes sense that some, through a lifetime of meditation and fasting, have figured out a way to increase those endogenous secretions that scientists believe could be behind possibly all religious experience.
Must we forget the use of Soma that was a tool for the early founders of hinduism and as a result Buddhism .
Actually it is now believed that LSD may act by increasing endogenous levels of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT by 1000% and 400% respectively. DMT is also thought to be released in higher concentrations during spiritual experiences. Also during near death experiences.
As they say, many paths, one way.
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If everything is one then who are these "others" you need to be more kind to? If everything is one then surely there are no others... 🤔
I disagree with him on psychedelic drugs being "illusory." First of all he has never had the experience himself so his opinion is based off of things hes read or from other peoples experiences. Secondly, when he says illusion I think hes referring to the hallucinations psychedelics induce, and I think he means they aren't real.
I'm not claiming experiences in altered states of consciousness are real-although this is my belief-because it doesnt matter if it is real or not because either way it cant be proven and it is the same experience. What matters is the information you receive which anyone who has done their research or experienced it themselves, knows it is insightful and profound information.
Lastly, I was a militant, materialist, reductionist, atheist before my encounter with entheogens. It changed my outlook on everything and has made me "spiritual person," whatever that means, lol. Entheogens also led and is still leading me towards buddhism and spiritual practices.
He dosnt understands.. To bad. Cuz Psychadelics and buddhism goes hand in hand. It would have been a revolution for the religion. Buddhism 2.0 if like. Just imagine what trips they can achive when they can simulate a strong acid trip in a sober state?
As a massive supporter of Psychedelics, I’m going to have to disagree here. I believe the idea the Dalai Lama is trying to say is that psychedelics aren’t the answer to enlightenment, and until you can cultivate your mind through meditation and Buddhist philosophy, you won’t have a sustainable method of achieving enlightenment.
From my understanding of Buddhist philosophy, Reality itself is illusory. I don’t think illusory in his mind is referring to just the hallucinations, but the feelings of joy and strong spirituality that come from the psychedelic experience. Of course, he doesn’t have any experiences with psychedelics, but the ideas he spreads are pretty strongly rooted in a great understanding of Buddhism.
Psychedelics can become a crutch to avoid cultivating the strength of your own mind. I’m a firm believer that Psychedelics are a great gateway into introspection and spirituality, and can be a useful tool alongside a strong meditative practice and a ethical way of life. I absolutely understand what he is trying to say though.
After all, an ego death is a powerful life changing experience. But it is only a glimpse into enlightenment.
Sorry to follow up yet again. But think of it like this.
If you have a physical injury that aches you, painkillers will dull the pain and guide you for awhile. However, to sustainably cure the injury and ensure it never occurs again, you may have to perform certain exercises to strengthen the muscles in which weakness led to the injury in the first place. However, if you don’t exercise, you may rely on painkillers and deceive yourself into contentment and never make the effort to permanently recover.
Psychedelics are the painkillers of an unopened mind, meditation is the exercise necessary to cultivate spiritual strength.
They both have a place.
Edit: the Dalai Lama and many buddhists have a strict view of this, and believe meditation should really be the only way to go about it. But I really do personally believe, much like you, that psychedelics have an important role we have to consider
A single session of DMT/ Ayuhuasca will bring more personal revelation to an individual than 10 years of "sweeping up around the ashram" as good old Terrence Mckenna used to say.
lol
But it won't discipline you
No no... that it certainly wont, unless you apply that which you have learned.
"sweeping up around the ashram" is a better spiritual practice than just tripping balls, simply because it actually takes some effort on your part. So there's the application for you right there.
Besides which, if you rely on strong sensory experiences via psychedelics to bring enlightenment, then you're not really enlightening yourself. Your wisdom in that case is still dependent on an experience that rises and falls, and you need to chase after it if you want to learn more lessons. It's not a permanent thing. Meditation is about stepping away from sensory experience and simply deconstructing reality to see it for what it is.
I love how at the end he's just like ... nah we'll do that in the afternoon - and boom standing ovation because really it is That which he embodies that is important, not what he says
I'd also say that because of the incredibly unique experience they provide, someone who has never used a psychedelic before simply cannot have a valid standpoint on them. Simply putting yourself in another's shoes so to speak doesn't really work with this.
Life is too short and most of the time you'll be fine afterwards. If anything, a better person. I once heard psychedelics is like you peeking over a fence to see everything while you can actually be there through meditation. However certain drugs are too strong and are in both nature and within our minds already. So I don't think anyone should ignore them and treat them as just recreational drugs, although that has been a thing for a while now. My mother personally grew a lot thanks to ayahuasca and lsd. She then was hit with horrible news that she has pretty bad cancer and this helped her make peace with it. Soon she's gonna try mushrooms and possibly even dmt if she's up for it. It's definitely her wish to try mushrooms and trip hard enough to hopefully help her get over some things she never did. Personal stuff she's like closer with before leaving this realm.
some questions are for lamas, some questions are for shamans....u doin the right thing
Sounds like your mother is or was a great person.
I hope she managed to have mushrooms, maybe even dmt.
I found so much wisdom in the mushrooms. It is not either this or that. I found it the perfect combination with meditation.
Paul Stamets says he cured his mother from advanced cancer with Turkey Tail mushroom. I don't know if that would work for everybody.
I'm afraid your mother already passed by now.
I feel love for her and you.
...but remember....a teaching -- is also an external substance...
Wrong. A teaching is information stored in your mind. It's not tangible and is only an idea. It is not external.
na...
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Duality is our limitation. You have a dualistic nature that’s why always try make differences rather than piecing them together or looking at things through non dualistic eyes. No external no internal, no good no bad, all things as is
@@hellboundtruck123 the difference is you're theorizing , while a teaching being an external substance is an observation
I agree with NOT using psychedelics for a spiritual purpose, although it plays a great role of initiating people into spirituality such as buddhism.
Even though the inner workings of the mind such as the unconscious ”comes to the surface” causing hallucinations to some extent, there is also a great sense of clarity achieved when the ego dissolves. The same clarity is often matured without external stimuli through practices like meditation. I therefore do not consider psychedelics to be completely irrelevant to spirituality
The Dalai Lama should try Ayahuasca before having an opinion. The wisdom of Mother Ayahuasca is as great as his. And yes, you can sometimes achieve the same thing without a drug but it might take you 70- 100 years instead of one profound vision during one evening.
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Old fashion gurus always say drugs are cheating or are "illusions" lol. Drugs can give you 10 years of spiritual experience over night. This life is short, take the short cut.
psychedelics are not a short cut. the enlightenment from psychedelics is only temporary.
@@magesticmushroomgarden6914 enlightenment doesn't go away, enlightenment is knowledge.
I love psychadelics and what they can offer. Wisdom for oneself.
But if you rely on a external stimulis for your journey inwards it will never fulfill you and your life.
If you want true enlightenment you have you turn inward and do the work needed, especially like many of us in the west are molded by our outer experiences. Childhood traumas and such.
Psychadelics is a great teacher for us to see what we need to do in our life and what we need to work on. Because traumas dissolving is painful. If someone really has gone through real healing, you would know what I meam by this.
And stop judging each others for your lack of understanding. I can't believe spiritual and people who been doing psychadelics are that naive and close minded. How can you let your egos be this reactive to each others??
Love smashes all negativity, insert it in your life.
Love, gratitude and appreciation for life is key. Wish everyone real guidance and happiness.
It's when we truly dedicate ourself and putting our belief that our ability to be responsibile to life is limitless. That is lifechanging
On the absolute level there's no difference between internal and external. They're just samsaric categories.
Psychedelics are fun, it's ok to have fun folks.
After 300 great trips, I had a bad trip. It wasn't because of the drugs. That's so reductionist and irresponsible when people have these experiences and blame, not themselves, but "the drugs." I made many crucial mistakes. I was in a dark period of my life. I knew it was going to happen, but I was too weak to resist making the mistakes I did. That's why it happened. I refuse to absolve myself of responsibility just to feel better about what happened.
For the first 300 experiences, I learned more than I could have in a 100 lifetimes. That's just a fact.
well your comment just proves that you didn't learn a lot
What insights did you learn?
Ive spoken to people that got zero but a good or bad trip. It didnt do anything spiritual for them or change their outlook on life. Their senses were just scrambled for a few hours in a pleasant or unpleasant way.
I can say one thing for sure, you experience illusions that break your personal illusions, it isn’t something that can wake you up on it’s own; but specifically for treating the endemic narcissism right now it’s almost necessary that some people go out of their comfort zone and realize their ego is just an illusion they have about themselves that blocks any chance of a relationship with G-d/cosmic wisdom although there are better ways to experience it!
I have experience with 2-3 years of LSD use and 40 years of Buddhism. I agree with HHDL. You might learn something but it will also come with a lot of bull shit that will take years to remove. It is not worth the risk and the waste of time. I saw a lot of people go insane from it. Some died while in it's delusional grip, for instance, trying to fly from a 30 story building. I have never seen anyone gain any thing close to enlightenment from it. I saw a few who thought they did until they realized they were insane. Of course, this is my opinion but it is from direct experience and exploration. Actually, I got a tiny bit more from MaryJ but still not worth the effort.
Really? Well, remember Dr Tim Leary. Set and setting is all that ever matters.
Tim's crap wrecked a lot of lives.
Patrick Leahey
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I agree with you totally Patrick. Some people can do LSD a bunch of times and be fine, some not. Me, I did it once, almost lost my mind. Have had severe anxiety and distorted vision ever since. So even though it has it's mind expanding merits, it's not worth the risk. You just don't know where you'll fall in the spectrum.
Faye Lukezich Sure thing, it's an individual thing. But I've done it several times now and all it caused me was positive effects, so I'll probably continue loving and praising it until I die.
If you don’t have 50 years to go exile and meditate then finding a higher sense of being might be assisted through the use of psychedelics
Oh yeah for sure
Well said.
Psychedelics merely open the door and you walk through the door. It will let you glimpse nirvana but then it’s your job to get there in your own… Nature does not provide these experiences for us by accident… Psychedelics introduced me to Buddhism with no prior knowledge and I hit the ground running and everything fit into place perfectly.
What makes you think that psychedelics will show you a glimpse of Nirvana? You can as well claim that psychedelics will grant you salvation by Jesus, it would be just as much valid of a statement. Do you even know what Nirvana means?
@@rzeczywistosc7610 What makes you think meditation will show you a glimpse of Nirvana?
I have heard that many monks have gotten into the life because of psycadelic experiences . In one monastery 80% in one report in one monastery .
Ironically, mushrooms influenced my interest in Buddhism. If you've never had that experience, how can you really answer that in full truth? We need a balance between our plant allies and our own inner cultivation. It's not about relying on it. It's a spiritual medicine, depending on how it's used. If it's given the respect, and it's strength is acknowledged, it can be a very powerful tool for healing and creativity.
Buddhism seeks to cultivate a state of mind which is the opposite of the psychedelic experience. If everyday mind is like ringing a bell, psychedelics cause the bell to ring more loudly and rapidly, Buddhism seeks to slow down the bell's ringing, or even get it to stop.
You can pursue any state you like, but to me, buddhism and psychedelics are opposites. The Ego desires it's own death and thus drives you towards psychedelics, the Ego doesn't care what it does to other aspects of the mind. With meditation you can calm the Ego without impacting the function of other aspects of the mind.
I’m curious to know if this statement comes with any experience. I’m not familiar with this loud and rapid bell description. It’s quite the opposite for me. My experiences with psychedelics have been profound and energetically organizing and uplifting. I also aim to meditate and cultivate peace of mind. Buddhism is applied to daily life. Psychedelics are not a daily application. That’s where they differ. It is medicine.
@@meshnykon8073 I have experiences with Mushrooms and Salvia. Mushrooms not gone above 7g of cubes.
My experiences with mushrooms are always very existential. I find that the act of perception is burning to my mind. I feel that the mind was a terrible, cruel mistake and I long for dark, still silence.
For me anything below about 2g is mood lifting, going beyond transcends mood and I crave death as I'm being roasted infront of the inferno which is perception.
Who was the guy in the red robe that the Dalai Lama whispered his answers to all the time??
Most people in comments are sour because they only half understood what His Holiness meant by illusions already being there and not needing any more hallucinogens to get even deeper into illusions. Enlightenment is not a destination or a hierarchy where people need to get to, its a state of being, its a combination of action and no action of what is and is not, its a state when you've understood and realised the nature of reality. Psychedelics are cool and somewhat thought provoking but its like thinking of deep philosophies in the matrix, you need to know if the matrix itself is for real and no amount of LSD or DMT will make you realise that. Its easy to take a drop and zone out into everything but if it were so easy it wouldn't be as good as its claimed in the dharma, its like buying cheap stuff and expecting it to last long or be of quality.
He talks about it being a elusive experience but who is to say that it is. Who is to say what's real has to be manifested in the physical world.
I feel as though Dalai Lama respects the power and inherit spirituality of the DMT based psychadelics (shrooms, dmt, lsd). He doesn't agree with it because, if you can come to a similar place from meditation as you come to on DMT, you would have much more lasting control of your mind.
Why not do both? A lot of people have great success with psychedelics and a strong meditation practice. You can sit on a cushion for decades and never get an experience like you can with a psychedelic, and take psychedelics without a practice and not be able to sustain the awakening. It's not mutually exclusive. A lot of Buddhist teachers are not open-minded about this stuff, when they should be.
Great questions for him. Done right, the additional illusions are there to tell a story beyond what written language can tell. You shouldnt "rely" on anything but it is the best tool we have to cultivate your mind and understand yourself.
It's really fun to see all these "enlightened" people in comments, which just look for excuse for taking drugs :D
nah i dont need any excuses
He should smoke dmt O.o
@Shock and Awe i think humans have evolved alongside these plant medicines
@Shock and Awe DMT is naturally being produced by the brain. Im just too lazy to explain everything in here.. just do your own research :) namaste
Shock and Awe I’ve done dmt
Hes doin a big misstake when ges not even consider its potential
@Shock and Awe haha fuck off mate..there is literally a video on TH-cam where a yogi takes lsd and laughs it of..it didn't do shit to him
"simply cultivate the nature quality of mind, that is much better"
firstly using the word "better" already imply comparison, comparison is judgment (good, bad, better...)
secondly how do you compare one thing with another if you just know one of them?
3rd how we can totally understand the whole if we choose one instead of another? such thing as mushroom, DMT they are all come out from nature?
It's kind of like eating something that is already prepared for you and working for something to eat with your own hands. Planting your seeds, growing your own food, instead of just taking everything already there. Same with spirituality. It's better when it takes more time, effort and work. Which makes you more spiritually patient, stronger and so on. You learn more values on the way.
"Avoid gurus, follow plants" ~ Terence McKenna
Love this
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Dalai is usually good, but here he screws up. At least he begins by saying he hasn't tried psychedelic drugs. He should have left it at that!
Psychedelics don't create more illusions, they remove illusions!
Perhaps the reason the people who talk to him who have tried psychedelics, disparage them, is the very reason they come for advice from him in the first place! If they hadn't been scared by what they found in the psychedelic experience (the Truth, with a capital T), and true understanding of Buddhism, Nagarjuna-style, they probably wouldn't be seeking his advice.
It's a shame he hasn't met anybody who had had good experiences on psychedelics (the vast majority). Maybe in the future, psychedelics, Buddhism and science will become closer to eachother, and people will start to realize there is a lot to learn from eachother.
It's kind of amazing he has never caught on to the fact that people who try psychedelics immediately become interested in eastern religions, particularly Buddhism, even if they never had been interested before.
tripleglaze
It all depends on what you mean by "the masters."
Sri Ramakrishna took a lot of drugs, that's for sure. And who knows about all the others? No one. And +Mystic Caravan is right about the soma. It was forbidden by the brahmanist priests. The Christian Church stamped out the Eleusisinian mystery religion in Greece which had gone on for 2000 years straight. I doesn't take a lot of imagination to think that other organizations have been rather quick to stamp out any evidence if their "founders" had advocated psychedelic use. It's not good for business, because people don't need the church or the priests. They can understand all they need on their own.
Whether psychedelics are disallowed by any religion al depends on what you mean by "drugs" or "intoxicants." There is a very good case to be made that psychedelics are not drugs, in that they don't do anything. They are just catalysts for the potentials for change which are already in you. They are more like food. If you take a sleeping pill, you go to sleep, no matter when or where you take it. If you take a stimulant, you are stimulated no matter when or where you take it. But if you take a psychedelic, no one can predict exactly what will happen to you, it all depends on when and where you take it, and how you are inside your mind. So it doesn't fit the usual definition of a drug.
"Spiritual development does not rely on plants and substances, we have all of the forces and tools already inside of us, we just have to learn how to use them properly."
Right. You have all the chemicals and drugs inside your system, already, and how you use your mind, regulates how those endogenous drugs are released and work. But that's like saying that only the drugs my mind makes are any good, not the ones I can get from a plant. That's a pretty peculiar doctrine, and one which has no foundation in any logic. Our bodies need plants and food to grow and sustain and to make those drugs. So in a very real way, the drugs inside your brain COME from plants in the first place!
Besides, psychedelics don't do anything on their own. All they do is catalyze the release of "those forces and tools already inside us".
"The beauty and wonder that can be experienced by the sober mind in elevated states of consciousness are far beyond the experiences of hallucinatory states that psychedelics provoke."
How do you know? Only by making the experiment can you gain any knowledge on what you are talking about. And I don't mean taking a teeny tiny dose, and trying hard to repress anything that comes up, and then say "see! Nothing happened! I must have been right. Phew! Now I can go back to my fussing and fretting over doctrines and quotes from people long dead, instead of trying to find out the truth for myself." I mean experimenting to find the truth. If someone makes a claim, then if someone was really interested in whether that claim held water, they would try to replicate the circumstances they had been told were necesssry. The drug, the set and setting, and the determination to really try and find out if there is something to it. Not to go into it with the determination to make it fail. Then it'll probably fail. Unless you take a huge dose, and the truth will be irresistable, for a few minutes at least, before you can start trying to forget it happened, and start lying to yourself, if that's what you need to do.
Besides, "the hallucinatory states"? What hallucinatory states? My usual experience has been the removal of illusions, not the production of them. Besides, the imagery and patterns, if that is what you are referring to, first of all aren't hallucinations, because one knows they aren't reallly there, and second, is such a small part of the beginning of a trip, and not of any emotional importance to most people who take a trip. It is the insights one gets, and the removal of previously self-imposed liminations on understanding which is the point of it all.
tripleglaze
"There is no clear evidence to support the idea that the Masters ingested psychedelics to aid them on their spiritual journey. If they did take such substances then it would have been clearly illustrated."
Why WOULD it have been? By whom? We have no way of knowing who wrote most ancient works, or what their relations to "the masters" were.
"Those things you mentioned are symbolic representations of other things, they have nothing to do with drug use."
The experts don't agree with eachother on the points. So that's quite a statement you have there. I didn't know the debate had been resolved. Suddenly. On all the matters mentioned. Strange, because some of those have been disputed for the
last 70 years at least.
"The beauty and wonder that can be experienced by the sober mind in elevated states of consciousness are far beyond the experiences of hallucinatory states that psychedelics provoke."
You don't know what people experience.
Besides, what has "beauty and wonder" to do with Enlightenment or Buddhism or anything like that? I thought the truth and freedom was the goal. Of course beauty and wonder feels good. But is what feels good the right direction? Maybe it is, I don't know. And neither do you. I wish you would just admit you are as much in the dark as to the right way as everybody else, and stop pretending to be privy to some information which other philosophies or religions can't possibly know about or have anything as good..
"The subjects are tested prior to ingesting the drug and then afterwards in order to record differences, there is a clearly impaired ability to perform those tasks while the subject is intoxicated."
If you were contemplating the deepest questions of life, while inside your minds eye there were visions of exploding suns and galaxies, you too would do poorly on a crossword puzzle. Or driving a car. You would also be bad at driving if you were playing the violion. Does that mean playing the violin results in an "impaired mental" state?
"Actually the "super-sober" mind which is far beyond our so-called "sober" mind is capable of perceiving far beyond the physical dimension, something which psychedelics can only imitate."
You know nothing.
"Drugs and psychedelics only create a thicker dream like fog around ones perception of reality, worst of all one may become lucid within that environment, thus one thinks that they clearly see reality but really they only mistake their hallucinatory subjective experience as objective."
You know nothing.
And don't even get me started on "objective" contra "subjective." If you believe there is such a thing, and it is neatly divisible, you apparently don't understand the slightest bit about it. Anyone who tries to distinguish the two, is immediately bound up in insoluble paradoxes. And if you aren't, it's because you don't understand the problems properly. Philosophy has yet to be able to define it, nor the concept of reality implicit in the distinction.
And the way you bandy about words which make it sound like you think you understand the world pretty well, and that you are on to the way the world and the self "really" is, makes me think you are probably a lost cause. If you think you are getting anywhere, you're on the wrong track.
Take a big dose of LSD, and then talk to me, and tell me you still believe all that stuff, or think maybe everything isn't so neat and clear.
ok, I don't support tripleglaze user in this discussion, because it looks like he/she hasn't tried psychedelics and tries to recite readings instead of actually thinking , but Isak Lytting, you are wrong. Psychedelics do create more illusions in a sense that they bring these higher states of consciousness to unprepared minds. Shortcuts are not a blessing, when we talk about following practices. Shortcuts give false impression of achieving enlightenment, whereas 'enlightenment' is not just knowing something, it is _doing_ something. So in this sense, psychedelics just bring distractions, when one truly practices dharma.
tripleglaze you do realize you go beyond a normal state on lsd? Someone was speaking into my mind without using words that was 20ft from me... I rest my case, I was also riding a bike as this was happening so I was stable
Also yes... my mind was unprerepared but I felt at 1 with the universe, not as a god a higher being. I felt connected, if that's what happens when you trip I'm sorry your mind has those illusions. Every false reality does not exist when I do LSD, I just see life in such a beutiful way
Funny how he totally ignored that stupid PC question at the end 🤣
Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.
0:55 he said he never tried lsd or mushrooms so his opinion is irrelevant I think a shamen from a native Indian tribe would be a better person to ask about meditation and plant medicine. I've done lots of lsd and I know for fact that there's alot more to reality than we can see
Actually the Dalia Lama has maybe forgotten that "the science of mind" in sanskrit is "Adhyatma Vidya" Meditation is a laboratory in which we discover our true and fullly perfect qualities.
Even if he had a more complex opinion about this topic, wouldn't he weaken his position, by telling it to people who mostly are very closeminded about this topic. It could also be an excuse for an abusive use of this substances for some people (which could cause more suffering), if he would have taken a positive position towards this topic.
Psychedelic effects are only on one side illusory. They also confront the user with his life which more kind of an integration. I see the main use of psycheldelics to introduce people who have lived their whole life in a bubble of believes which they have been taught. Psychedelics can be the first step to open their minds to see that there is more out there. But for profound changes meditation is inevitable. But in my oppinion with the fast development of AI and technologies we don't have time for everyone to find his truth in his own speed.
Yeah, I expected him to deflect/ridicule the questions in a way that his cult audience would have a laugh at.
So typical of all the cult leaders.
He can simply answer that he doesn't have enough knowledge to answer the question.
Whatever is true is science and whatever isn't science isn't true and can be and should be questioned.
Lol shut up, druggie.
i have to say that even if he hasn't tried those substances dalai lama has the most accurate answer, if you trip or have an ilusion you are not in the now anymore and that's what being awakened is about. so stop talking shit hating people.
Then, like , Buddha comes in and I`m like....wow! this is amazing, and I just get it, you know,
It`s incredible, Buddha is ,like, tripping balls under the bodhi tree and I just get it, uh... yeah, uh....it`s like, I`m off my original face and right there in the Bardo and all the deities are in a stupa,man, looking awesome and saying, like, man, this is it! you know what I mean?
psychadelics are a spoiler of enlightenment, showing u , why u should keep on meditating, even though chances of getting enlightenment through meditation are minimal....
There is some truth and some ignorance in his assessment of psychedelics.
1. Psychedelics do not create additional illusions... they sometimes profoundly magnify and help us face our illusions more powerfully. And they sometimes provide extraordinary insight and experiences of transformation.
2. Agreed that in 'serious' practice we should not rely on external factors for cultivating "quality of mind", to find freedom from suffering and cultivating loving kindness.
3. Psychedelics can enhance serious practice where people tend to get dry and dogmatic. With a disciplined and practiced mind they can become profound catalysts for insight, growth and compassion.
4. The therapeutic value of psychedelics is extraordinary for people suffering from addiction and depression... People for whom meditation practice cannot readily help.
How many people who have had experiences with psychedelics have re-evaluated their lives and been inspired to choose spiritual paths and religions like Buddhism? Many.
He didn't answer shit. Genius.
Hahaha yeaa
He has no idea what he's missing out on its quite hilarious when he says the other way is better while not having ever even seen the psychedelic realm. Amazin that he isn't aware of his fallacy
it is better to get there without outside influence. How many people have u met that have had a few extreme psychedelic experiences that go around claiming to be enlightened while not understanding what that term really means, which is understanding their place in the universe and helping others find their own. It's easy for the mind to fool itself while on a drug, while you'll know for certain if you're lying under meditation. Ego death in it's true form can do this as well but it's easier to rationalIze it as just a hallucination even tho u caught a glimpse of what u need to accept as truth. All the new age people out there give truly enlightened people a bad name as they just feed their own ego while the truly enlightened just want to spread peace and understanding
Can't believe some people would discredit Dalai cause he's not experienced in psychedelics. Psychedelics help u to get enlightened, to see the truth, which means it is not the only way of doing it. There are and were holy people who spends their whole life to achieve that psychedelic state sober. Why do people who took psychedelics so quick to judge on the others. respect
True. Dalai can do whatever he wants. Peace. But not to talk shit about things he knows nothing, zero, about.
It is a sensitive subject and the general attitude in this video is ignorance toward this sensitive topic. The "interviewer" is what bothers me more. He was putting words into his mouth and making his own comments when no one was asking him.
SooChan Kwak One definition of Enlightenment is "freedom from the suffering mind"A suffering mind could be caused by ones personal life experience,or ones surroundings,you cant change those surroundings,memories, by getting high.After the trip you would find yourself back into suffering.Drugs are just a crutch, a phoney spiritual high,that is not the way to Enlightenment.also there is the danger of injuring ones mind or body.In fact we are all Enlightend already,but the ego blocks the way,get rid of ego attachment then your real nature shines,its very simple.Likewise drugs block the way with more illusions on top of the one called ego..the ego isnt real, its just an idea of who one is thats all, its just as phoney as drugs.
how can he say it's "much better" without drugs than with psychedelics if he has never tried them?
For "thunderbold Buddhism" (Vajrayana) a few ceremonies of 5-meo-dmt is the most effective tool to get to enlightenment.
Meditation is then a fantastic tool used to integrate the experience.
Well having experienced LSD my experience was You can become one with the universe, experience god on a personal level and see 'the light' without 40 years of fasting and meditation. Is it a 'cop-out'? If you want the view from the mountain top can you only experience the benefits of the view after struggling for hours, or will the Ski lift work just as well? Some people want to struggle, others take the Ski lift. I'm not judgemental. Boom Shankar.
Buddha was afraid of psychedelics. You gotta have a lot of balls to accept you don't exists and at the same time you are united with everything that has been. Once the DMT activates in your brain and you have experienced inexistence everything unfolds, life becomes easier and less stressful you may not need a second dose.
It saddens me to see more people on me all debating and freaking out about how he's dismissing taking psychedelics based on his own beliefs. If he doesn't, so what, that doesn't mean you shouldn't. It's his choice, just as you have your own as well. Who cares if he does psychedelics or not? This man is promoting world peace and minimalism and a corrupt and consumerist society. The real shock from this video is how he dismisses the last question about what young people should be doing in the world to be successful while staying true to moral principles. Maybe that's just it. To be truly successful we must stay true to our moral principles in order to function better in society as a whole.
i think, he meant, he will answer the last question in the afternoon, in detail....
Not using any substance is the best way to be, but if you really feel compelled to use mind altering drugs psychedelics are the best kind to use as they can at least show you new possibilities and addiction is very unlikely. Of course there are inherent dangers with them but if you are reasonably well grounded and you have a good quality, reliable source you should be fine- although I would be wary of psychedelics that are produced in a laboratory and stick with the natural ones (eg. mushrooms, peyote, ayauascha). Ultimately spiritual/meditative practice is the best way to realize lasting joy and wisdom.
monks can not take such things, he is just the superwrong guy to ask, .....u dont ask a shaman, about monk life either....his answer was very expected, he has a reputation to watch, .....maybe if u ask him, off camera, personally, there would be a slight diffrent answer, but i dont think so
Psychedelic effects are indescribable if viewed from the inside by direct experience. If looked at from an outside perspective physical effects can be determined but nothing more. the psychedelic experience can and will change your life, the direction is chosen by your state of mind. Taking the experience that we call life as a whole means different paths and meanings for each individual, therefore one cannot say any substance in particular is bad or good as all this in itself is relative. Judge for yourself, give advice but never say this is what you can or cannot do (Not directly referring to the words of HHDL). If life takes you to psychedelics it is no shame to try, if not then that is no shame either.
Life is beautiful and nothing you do will suddenly make you not yourself. Psychedelics are just one way to understanding, or to some state of higher conciousness for some, others may find meditation, trance or other practices more useful.
No path that doesn't harm others should be considered wrong as each and everyones lives lead somewhere different. Think, live and be free after all you yourself are nature just like all that is around you!
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Enlightenment requires a specific desire. A complete desire for a spiritual ,and not material life. Drugs can instill this desire in you ,but that is all it can do. Drugs can create the required desire, it cannot fullfill it when it is there. The false belief drugs CAN fullfill this desire is a very destructive path to go on.
He has never took LSD, he took the worst american drug: CIA.
Recognition of true nature is so completely different from any psychedelic "trip". The psychedelics only vaguely point toward some qualities one realizes through the recognition, but are not the same. It is an illusion that people think that psychedelics bring them closer. The illusion is that people think they reached the place (of God) but in truth they have not. Most psychedelics make people feel so special and yet, feeling so special is another illusion. Recognizing our true nature is very simple and yet so very different from using any type of substances.
Sober practice is the key.
*speaking from a direct experience of both.
Try telling that to Terrence McKenna
They go hand in hand
Fascinating crossroads the title of the video has created. From the standpoint of being a buddhist/taoist there is nothing wrong with having a psychedelic experience, from where i stand. This is the opinion of one man, a man who, perhaps has conquered himself, but still a man, and still only offering his opinion, his truth. Set your hearts as you see fit and find your own truth. If you cannot find friend or master to go with you, travel on alone than with a fool for company. Good luck, but by the way, he has a point here.
Why is it then that many people who took DMT all report very similar experiences of the true nature of reality, experiencing the divine light and having deja vu of being in that place many times after death and before birth?
If he wore a cowboy hat he would look like Hunter. S. Thompson!
😂😂😂😂 we can't stop here this is Chinese country
i got my laaaaaaaawwyyyyyer with me
I have no problem against a scientifically-sound base for meditation if it proven to be helpful. My issue is with the whole spiritual baggage attached to that. Here is a question for Buddhists, if your whole philosophy is that the world is an illusion or a projection of the mind, than isn't your worldview complete self-defeating nonsense? Because if the world is an illusion, that means that the realisation that the world is an illusion is itself also an illusion. So, from that vantage point, you're not actually getting anywhere metaphysically, it's just a very sohpisticated feel good happy meal ethos. Not trying to be disrespectful, GOD bless and happy new year!
When the dalai lama meditates he's doing a class A drug DMT is being released in his brain
Yeh, so they say.
Proof?
+womble dung research mediation and psychedelic drugs and look at pineal gland :)
Seems like a `"proof" today is something people have seen or read in a book or on the internet and not their own experience believe is useles once you see. Until then it is only an hypothesis
Yes but in completely different doses. We have THC in out bodies too yet we don't go around stoned all the time do we ?
The irony of not seeking additional illusory experiences while speaking to a spiritual teacher of a culture who sees all things as illusory.
Why didn't he answer the last question?
I am daily lama myself
we should also use the stairs instead of the elevator...
The problem with people who have intellectual or spiritual authority get too comfortable with what they know or they they look at the world.
He can just say : I have no idea about psychedelics and I can not say anything until I dive deeper in the subject. Sadghuru had the same reaction.
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Bro literally whispered the answers to this guy lol
1:33 -... can you ear the two farts ahahahahahahah
Well said your holiness. 🙏 🙏 🙏.
HOW YOU CAN TELL IF YOU DONT KNOW?
If you take a large dose of a psychedelic, you almost cant help see the truth for a little while. Its the most direct way to Enlightenment. Read "Millbrook" on the web by Arthur Kleps. Great book on psychedelics and Buddhism and Enlightenment.
Having a single psychedelic experience can bring therapeutic results like you would need 10 years on a psychologists couch to achieve. All this is known to people who try psychedelics, and don't begin to get scared and start deluding themselves later and lie about what they have experienced.
There is no need for meditation or putting nails into your body or sitting on a mountain top for 30 years. Just eat some mushrooms, drink some Ayahuasca, or take some LSD.
You'll likely find Enlightenment, but maybe you'll find you didn't really want it once you do. That's what happened to all these idiots saying bad things about psychedelics. Their just running scared, and trying to find solace by taking as many people with them as they can (safety in numbers.) Grow up!
One more thing you need when eating those 'shrooms, that's peace of mind for a few hours. No good having to worry about appointments or work, and best keep the phone off the hook too. Otherwise concur with all you say. The DL is just being PC or as he says, has no experience himself.
if it had been so easy..thn almost 60% of world wud be awakened..its abt controlling ur mind....i will quote some lines from different religion..
1) tulsi rann main jujhna,pal do pal ka kaam,
nit uth man se joojhna, bin khande sangram
translation:
o tulsidas(the writer) fighting in battle is easy and short...
but controlling ur mind after getting up every morning is a battle without sword
2) its from quran....what is jehad !! this word comes 41 times in quran and very few times in political or worldly manner...it actually means fight between u and ur mind to get to god..
thats why sometimes i dont feel hate but pity at pakistanis...they r blasting bombs in the name of jihad...hw much more manipulation does a religion need..
i forgot which verses of bible say so...if somebody wants to know i will be obliged to find the same thing..
To ask why we NEED additional “hallucinatory” experience’s apart from our regular day to day life is an absurd thing to ask if that’s why you’ve never tried them. These things on 5 grams of dried mushrooms provide a breakthrough of all religious and true experience as we know it. 5 grams of mushrooms isn’t even that much by the way. I’m not trying to fool you into trying some drug that you’ll get hooked on. I’m simply saying that there is an entire hidden landscape and ideology you can have if you try it once
Idk Dalai llama, you are missing out. DmT is wonderful 9
Search for "Mike Crowley - Secret Drugs of Buddhism"
When a guru or a spiritual leader or whatever it may be, says he never tried a psychedelic, he does not really have much of a say on the matter.
It would be like a person who has never been to space explaining to people what being in space feels like - he hasn't even experienced it so how can he testify about it or against it?
I agree that being able to reach the same states without any external help would be much more beautiful, however who's to say that it's even reachable?
perhaps with proper use of psychedelics very seldom, can you use the experiences to go much further while sober than you would have ever been able to without having had these mind revealing experiences?
Not having tried X, doesn't mean he could not have an opinon on X
He was being coy, of course he's tried a variety of things, he isn't saying don't do hallucinogens either... just that to obtain deeper states you need a calm environment. Trying to find specific altered states through drugs is like trying to isolate the flavor of a strawberry in a fruit smoothie, when you could just eat the fruit for itself.
I think the Dalai Lama has a great responsibility to be a good representation of Tibet and Buddhism as a whole that I think with questions like these he has to be careful. With that being said, I think of one hasn’t experienced a psychedelic experience before then I think ones views about them are unfounded. Great respect for the Dalai Lama BUT the Buddha always taught to investigate what is true, not succumb to common views, and regardless of the Dalai Lama or right or not his view is a common view held by most people in our society and this must be held to the same level of examination and suspicion as other views held as true.
I have questions to ask higher states of consciousness and all sorts, I am not able to pay attention in that way in an illusive way, I prefer life straight forth and have only come across negative experiences with spirituality and drugs. It’s not something my mind can handle. My mind can’t be cultivated that way, I feel like drugs and spirituality is just a governmental. Control. As to why on earth would these chemicals be available in the first place... it’s spooky for me to mix the two
How do you guys find it so easy ?
This information has just come to me, that if you use spirituality and drugs, someone somewhere will know about it... and that. Someone could not be a higher being, as to this you could get hacked, spiritually hacked and computer hacked to thinking like another person, and not improving the way God of the angel armies wishes you too
The fact is any psychedelic substance no matter how many ever times ingested and experienced will take you a step higher towards the revelation of your consciousness and its place in nature. Apparently the old monk here who is appreciated for his wisdom and patience through out the world, inched his way to this level of consciousness using only
his primordial human brain which suffices as a mean to the same end. Now reading all these comments on hate by some of the so called Psy community lovers which stand for Love and Respect shows me that LSD today is not respected for its true value and their ignorance is regretful.
I don't really like this guy tbh. Judging something without ever having tried it is just stupid.
I agree.. Its all about your Dharma.... What is your reason to exist.... What will be your path to Enlightenment and Nirvana... Its all a self experienced travel guide, that only you can read and understand my friends!
Long life his holiness 🙏🌷🌷
Psychedelics have a lot to teach, Beyond the knowledge we currently have. It will really raise your consciousness fast and make you more conscious of the unconscious. RESEARCH
They are scared and find it offensiv. Its pure survival tactics.