Water Methanol Injection Installation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 มิ.ย. 2018
- This video is about Water Methanol Injection. No, really... it is. Water Methanol Injection was developed between World War I and World War II to help overloaded aircraft generate enough power to get off the ground and climb in altitude quickly. Of course, this kit is newer than that, but it works on cars, too. It works best on vehicles that are force-inducted. Essentially it offers higher final compression, and power output by cooling the intake charge and raising the octane of your air fuel mixture. There are loads of other benefits like fuel economy, its ability to steam clean the intake, combustion chamber and exhaust, but most people use it solely for the power benefits it provides. I've had this kit for a while and it was long overdue that I make a video about installing it now that I've got the bugs worked out on this car. I'm not sure how many first generation Elantras on the planet have water methanol injection installed, but I'm sure I could count them on one hand. Perhaps one finger?
The car I'm installing it on is equipped with a 1990 DSM ECU, wiring harness, ECMlink and my airflow metering system has been converted to Speed Density using GM sensors. This engine management system does not control or integrate with this water methanol injection kit, but it does offer all the tuning capabilities necessary to compensate for tuning changes that are required to get the most out of this piggyback system. I demonstrate the unboxing, part modifications, wiring, mounting bracket fabrication, parts modifications, a failsafe mechanism with schematics and details about how it works, and then I test my work. I'm not the first person to do this, but in my searches I did not find good information about installing a failsafe mechanism that wasn't bought at a retail store as a kit. Sometimes the kit is impractical as it requires driver interaction. I wanted something automatic so that I don't even have to think about it. I have enough on my mind in the staging lanes at the track to think about before I make a drag pass. That list is full.
Also: at one point a text overlay informs everyone that some of my advice only applies to OBD-II cars. I started the game with a 2nd generation Eclipse which shares the same basic engine and engine controls... but its error checking routines are different. On a 1g you can disconnect the factory boost control solenoid and it doesn't generate a check engine light. This is not the case for a second generation car. That means the relay installation for a 1g (like the car I'm doing this on) does not require the use of all 5 pins. You don't need 87 or the red wire with the inline resistors to build a working failsafe system, you just need 87a. I don't feel bad for having demonstrated how to wire it in a second generation OBD-II car. The system works either way, and perhaps there's a benefit for the voltage your car generates while the failsafe relay switches its operation, but it wasn't unnecessary in my case if I didn't have that red wire. It would only be necessary on OBD-II cars (Like Subaru WRX, Mazda RX-7, EVO, etc... OBD-II cars are typically built 1995 or later. I have no idea what happened to my text overlay at 27:28? It looks correct on my master file, and I've exported it twice and I can't fix it. It's supposed to read "This advice is for OBD-II cars, OBD-I cars do not perform BCS circuit checks."
Anyway I hope you enjoy the video. It was fun to make. If you want to know more about the history of Water Methanol Injection, there's a wikipedia page, of course there are forums on AEM's website that didn't answer any of my questions, the ECMtuning forums and Google if you need information beyond what's here... and there's a link to my Patreon page if you find my videos helpful and are interested in sponsoring my production so that I can keep doing these TH-cam-y things. Thank you for watching!
Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_i...)
Patreon: / jafromobile
PS: Yeah, I screwed up the ending screen links and graphics. It would take a day to export this again so I'm leaving it that way. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
"You gotta pay more if you wanna use all the holes" 😂
fergie232 aaaaaaaaaaand demonetized. 🤣🤣🤣
Annnnnd.. that's what she said
No shortage of sexual innuendo in the automotive world.
Mathieu Levasseur that will not happen for a very long time and still is very unlikely it will every happen
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Man, I have used this video a few times. Initial install, while swapping the nozzle sizes and such. Although I felt like I could accomplish each task. Having your video really helped dive in with confidence and knowledge. Thanks again for the post.
I've used W.I. for years. you have best explained it's function, as well as do's/don'ts far better than I ever could have. This is my first vid of yours to watch. Subbed.
I find it amazing you can keep all this information in your head. That's a feat in itself let alone putting it into practice. I never realized just how complicated it all is! Thanks for the video.
New jafromobile! I’m stopping work on my Subaru to watch this... true car guys respect all cars equally.
Whole-heartedly agree!
Oddly, as I was watching this, near the end I thought, "I wonder if those NASIOC guys know about jafro?" The only NASIOC maintenance day I went to, (Sadly no Subie in my life currently,) was impressive both in turnout and knowledge pool. Lots of guys doing bolt on stuff, but others hacking and fabbing.
BluDog35 you said it man!
I am currently developing a flex a meth kit for myself with the potential for selling them. With the new map switching that the flex fuel cobb stuff offers the idea is that when you arm the meth kit it will map switch to the meth map. Fail safe will be off a pressure transducer in the line that will look for low pressure and too high of pressure and the ecu can map switch off of that. Subaru ECU's are pretty advanced now.
What an incredible amount of information in this one video!
I always get that tingling sensation, like when you open a Christmas present, every time I see Jafro notification for a video.
Hands down one of my favorite content developers on TH-cam, keep it up (When you can)
"Read and understand the instructions fully" - 30 seconds later, I'll figure out where that goes later.
:D The instructions made no mention of it. Best I can tell is it's intended for you to make your own grommet with wherever you punch it through the body/firewall. I wound up not needing it because my hose ran through the boot in the shifter cables.
Thankyou for the videos , nothing short of heroic!
You are like an knowledge minignu , I have to put you on 0.5 speed .
There must be five or more videos worth of content here alone , almost to much to take in in one viewing ! :)
The Scientific Method helps me break things down into more understandable chunks ..
Please keep doing what you doing , love and peace .
very underappreciated channel, man.
excellent detail and your tuning videos definitely gave me new perspective on tuning strategies
also maybe i play the cylinder head videos if i cant fall asleep
That fail safe idea is really good. No fancy programming needed!
Thank you, Sir. As to your comment of not being able to find methanol in your grocery store- where I live, in Central NY we use washer fluid that's rated for NEGATIVE 20F, perfect for your application. The only major concern, is having to change your oil more often under heavy or more frequent use. The water portion mostly boils away, keeping combustion chambers clean- but it also tends to homogenize to the oil under high revs, making a foam (colloid) in the pan, that is easily removed with a proper kerosene flush before oil change. Your engine is going to be very happy when you get this dialed in. Now- if I could just convince you into researching a "REAR mounted" turbo setup; many videos here, no intercooler, no lag, easy & cheap with your DIY skills. Stealth AF.
HUBBABUBBA DOOPYDOOP no intercooler with a rear mount? Are you relying on the water/meth then?
No, the mere length of aluminum tubing is a huge heat sink, moving through the air; you can install one- but it's usually superfluous. Check this link- th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=rear+mounted+turbo What's nice- if you have fab skills and some decent tools- you don't have to spend huge money on a "kit". DIY is yours, anyway. Make it yours! The 2 costly extras are a decent oil scavenge pump, and longer charge tubing. No more cooking and coking your turbo. It's all about volume- not psi.
Would a windage tray help?
In Jafro's application- I would think the Stock oil pan already has "baffles" and since it's a transverse FWD there's not much worry of oil control.
Another video....that makes my weekend! And this kit finally makes it on the Elantra! Can’t wait to see the difference it makes on the track and the tune. I say, you need to make an intercooler sprayer next? With a windshield wiper pump, (the Mirage assembly you already have??) and nozzles from the garden section of Lowe’s. That way, you’ll kill some of that heat soak on the intercooler between passes. Thanks again for another greatly produced how to on this kit. Can’t wait for the next video!
Hey jaf,only seeing this video now. Never get notifications of your videos anymore. Great video, this is something I have considered doing from a long time now.
Heck of a video!! there's an incredible amount of detail, and the fabrication and wiring was
top notch! One thing that I was particularly impressed with was how freaking stout and clean your mounting bracket for the tank and pump turned out. One of my long delayed projects is to do this install on my car.
You are Awsome and every car guy needs your channel
Excellent work as always Jafro, thank you for sharing it with us! I always wanted to integrate my water/methanol injection into ECM Link but never got around to it. Enjoy the results!
Thanks man! IIRC, you have the Snow Performance kit... if it also has a failsafe ground, you could do the same sort of thing. I'm just going to compensate fuel and timing in the cells wherever it's on and let the MW50 float switch control high/low boost. Are there any benefits of connecting the two? I dunno? There are so many people using so many different methods, it's hard to tell what's best? I just knew I needed to make mine idiot-proof because... well... it's mine after all...
'There's four things on tha thing!" -- excellent! just bought yourself a new subscriber!
This was fascinating and informative I actually never heard of Water Methanol Injection before your video
Siniaya Kantrell a female interested in water meth injection lol?
Mr Fromobile, could I bother you to set a timer on your next fabrication endeavor? That would give everyone a true nominal appreciation of the all the time and effort that goes into each and every episode. That said, watching you bang out that trunk bracket in real time was truly awe inspiring.
you're the man!!! Great video and fantastic breakdown of why and what not to do
I am 2 minutes in, I have never seen one of your videos... instantly subbed and liked.
This guy is like king of random but with cars. Awesome video!!!!
Awesome video jafro... really glad you went the water meth route. excited to see how the car performs and how far you take it.
dont take this the wrong way jafro - but your videos are so damn soothing that I binge watch them before bed and I am out like a light. Love your stuff! haha
Well the one that goes live tomorrow is guaranteed to put you out fast. Mark my words.
I enjoyed every second in this vid! Great stuff man!
"You gotta pay extra to use all the holes". Literally never seen any of your videos before, but, *subscribe*
Though I have no plans on going anywhere near as deep into modifying my car as you do, it's fascinating watching your journey with the Hyundai. I've learned so much over the years from your videos. Proud to support you.
I love the fact that you drop so much info in your vids that by the time they're done no one remembers you confusing your neighbors by walking around outside dressed up like a duck. They really must wonder what you get up to in that garage of yours.
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I never thought I would learn soo much from an installation video. Thank you
Always a pleasure to watch this guy work. I had alot of fun. Thanks bro.
Excellent video. Very thorough. 👍👍
The ingenuity that you’ve demonstrated across your video is inspiring to me in my work as a Parts Tech. I never thought I would say I like a Hyundai but I’m glad to be wrong here. Thanks for sharing these eh?
TheIamfrustrated its not so much hyundai per se. You could do what he's doing with any brand. It's just a matter of digging deep enough into your particular project that you learn what's possible and the various ways to get there. At least thats what I assume your referring to. Lol or maybe its the sweet body lines of his late 90's hyundai that are doin it for ya... Lol
Thank you Jafro for another perfect overly informative and opionated video. Love it. Also love that Mastodon shirt!
Holley did this 35 yrs ago with a washer tank. 👍 Worked.
Jafro- first of all, great work! Your vids are the best! I have this same kit. FYI, the aem check valves are garbage. They leak bad, a constant drip. It’s been well documented in the community. It will effect your tune and you’ll be refilling your tank frequently. With that said, Looking forward to another vid in which you address the issue. Yay for more Jafro vids!
LOL! You must have ESPN, because I have that problem. Filling up my intake while it's parked. If you drive it every day, not such a problem. All it takes is a change in the weather or sitting in direct sunlight. Due for a solenoid.
Awesome narration. Love your channel. I subscribed.
Whenever I've had a rough day- I watch your videos as therapy. Superb workmanship, cool music, soothing voice. Very satisfying.
These videos always come out right when Im about to go on lunch, and it's always a lunch I look forward too!
Great video as always!
My boss just asked why I'm looking up "how to inject meth" on work computers.
Lol!
To keep the procesador colder 😁😁😁😁
easy peasy, I do it all the time !
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Water/Methanol injection is just so genius. You clean your intake, lower emissions, lower temps, reduce knock and make more power. You should see these standard on normal cars. But the people driving them couldnt be bothered with filling up. I would love to implement this system on my tdi car or even a NA car.
Excellent work
Jafro, a little off topic of your video but... man i gotta say i love your videos. from the voice over, to the obscene amount of knowledge I've gained from watching your videos. I've been messing with the 4g63 engines for about 6 years now and have gained a lot of knowledge just from poking around on the internet and visiting a lot of forums, i feel my knowledge was much when it came to these engines, well i should say felt especially seeing your videos. You've given me lots of ideas for my own build (92 Eclipse GSX) take it good or bad haha! Love your projects, just wanted to give some appreciation of your videos and time you've spent with these videos. I'll be watching!
Absolutely incredible video
Great work sir.
Loving the setup, failsafe and your a funny guy
Great video I luv all the info thx a ton for taking the time
I run water/meth injection on my talon, probably the only thing that's kept that poor, tired, worn out POS from kicking what's left of the 3 straight rods out of the block at any given moment. Nice install!
Wait... how is the 4th rod gay? I didn't even know rods had a preference? ;)
Jafromobile lol, it's most likely bent, last time I had the head off, 3 Pistons came all the way up flush with the block but the last one is about 1/8 inch below the deck. I've been hard on this motor and apparently I'm not the first, Pistons and head look like someone threw gravel in the thing at some point. I didn't have time to deal with it then so I knocked off the sharp spots and put it back together, ran another season and a half racing it before I decided it was time to retire it.
Great video, I like your style.
That time lapse was awesome
Good people like Mastodon!! Very nice video and install!
Not all heroes wear capes.
Some wear a duckling costume and drive old inconspicuous elantras.
Another great video, I recently found your channel and subbed.
Keep it up. Cheers!
we have been blessed !
Nicely done
Very interesting and great knowledge.
We love you jafromobile. Thank You
Thank you patreons!
You're ducking nuts mate... 😁
that he is
one of my favorite car you tube channels covers everything
we all know where to go when we need to build something properly nuts with a safety device and brackets for days ps hurry up with the next episode I have re-watched the series more times than I can count and its making me make brackets and paint / plate stuff thats perfectly fine the way it is on my own project
You are awesome. Very funny yet informative.
Awesome video. Thank you.
I love your video's... excellent
Thank you for all the detailed info on your failsafe. Likely not going to be a large deal to me since I'll be using it more for cooling air mass than boost timing...but, I tend to be the belt and suspenders type when I'm 100 miles into the desert with no help available....
I do that, too. You should check out my offshore greenhorn fishing video, lol. 5 miles offshore might as well be 100 miles into the desert.
@@Jafromobile Will look at the video. And I agree...big reason I'm going supercharged is to be able to tow a boat capable of the occasional 40+ mile trip straight out for Albacore. Though doing that, we pretty much always run buddy-boats because stuff happens.
great video
After seeing your video I decided to install a Nitrous system in my Hyundai Sonata now I'm pushing 400 horses. Giddy up silver!
love these vids
very well done .thank you.
i made this for my 350 vega back in 74..i used fish tank hose and valves for the hose to regulate and turn on and off the flow.. the line was plugged into the intake manifold under the carb base plate..the other end was routed to the dash where it could be controlled by turning the valve on or off..first of a kind back then ...people scauffed at it.. i knew all about how the system worked because i was air force mechanic who learned about this ADI injection first developed by germany...they climbed higher and faster in a dog fight because the ADI prevented detonation..it works great if you are climbing hills because it will cool the combustion chambers..ect
I totaled a 1976 Vega GT once. It had a 24 point roll cage and a 468 all-roller big block. I got it about 6 feet in the air. The Silverado I landed on didn't fare to well either. I got to replace the back half of it.
yeah you most likely power shifted and went in his lane hhh...auto was the way to go with those cars..it was easier on the rear and no worries over the breakin stuff when you launched..mine was a 73 hatchback yellow with black stripes...really a nice car..drove it every day ...a real cruiser on the interstate !! 74 was a square taillight right?..its been a long time but i still remember the install and some other stuff...my engine was pure stock with headers
I've always seen a boost gauge as a method to make sure things are mostly working. Not as good as a logging a map sensor but useful if something goes wrong and you notice you are making 10 psi more boost than you should be.
I used to use water methanol daily to boost the power on my Rolls royce dart gas turbine turboprops to help drag the old girl into the air rather than go through the fence at the end of the runway!! Certainly worked!!
Yessir! That's precisely what it was invented for! Man, that's gotta be a rush.
Great informational video and I really like how in depth you go. I also liked the Duck outfit, it was a great touch!
Yea! Jafro's back!
sir you are a god amongst men
For the fuel tables you can use the egr activation tab in Ecm link and set it up to come one and pull a certain percent of the global to offset the methanol
Good to see the Hyundai still kicking around. ProjectCarTV
Heck yeah man! It's been through a lot. I'm back on the GSX now, but the Hyundai's still kicking it.
I really liked your video. I'll check out your other ones.
The organization in your narration excellent; I wish I could talk this smoothly!
it doesn't come for free.. it takes practice and willingness to do it again... of course the ability to speak clearly and get your point across does come more naturally to some...
LOL I see you clutch hover! I do the same too. The funny thing is people insist that I must change clutches 1-2 times a year but I don't. Not once out of all the cars I owned over the 25 years. What they don't realize is that my foot is not pushing on the clutch, just enough to tactfully feel it on the soles of my shoes, drives my car buddies crazy lol. I also use second gear to start off regularly in my DD's too haha.
The clutch that's in this Hyundai today is the same clutch that went 56,000 miles and 250 drag passes in my 3355lb AWD GSX. It's a used clutch that out-lasted THREE transmissions. Four counting the FWD one in the Hyundai. It still works like new. When it turns 500 drag passes, 100,000 miles old and finally lets go, someone will post "SEE, I TOLD YOU YOU WERE RIDING THE CLUTCH!"
Loving sir ducks-a-lot
I installed a Cooling Mist kit, used my windshield washer tank. Has an adjustable pressure switch that's set to 12psi, a simple indicator light inside let's me know when it activates. I just check the level every couple days and refill as necessary. Also a pre-turbo nozzel has helped my small Garrett T-3 seem like a bigger turbo, I'm guessing my air charge is cooled a bit before going into the intercooler.
Great video Jafro, as always awesome information and great filming.
nice head unit, i have a newish Alpine too. good stereos.
You should add a dry nitrous kit after the intercooler (a small shot 30hp) to cool your intake temps. For every degree you bring down your intake temps it's like a 2rwhp gain. I did this on a neon I worked on and it went from beating a car by a fender to beating it by busses.
Dude you are smart when it comes to the electronics and fitment of everything. Like putting a puzzle together, I must ask. How did you get all your knowledge? Its a loaded question but I was wondering if you went to certain classes or if you just did independent study? Thats sick man, good job.
Ah yes, the great painting duck always helps me with my surface finish too
Jafro! On the tuning front, you can do like I do: I've got a tiny acer ultrabook running only the tuning software required for my setup on it, stuck in the glove box with a car laptop charger. The ultrabook was payment for helping my neighbors take some old furniture to good will, and the car laptop charger was $20 on Amazon.
Thats a good shout. 12v to 19v(?) converter for the charger?
It's a 12v to OEM plug, looks just like a wall charger except with a 12v plug on the input end. Seem to be made for quite a few different laptops, too.
I use the boost guage to monitor MPG. If your using more turbo on the flats at your normal speed. Even leaky tires can bump the needle from -10 average to -5 . They are quite sensitive in vacuum.
@JafroMobile
This is awesome. Ive been thinking about putting a methanol injection setup on my 1g talon awd. I actually have this aem v2 kit on my hyundai. Been thinking about stealing it for the dsm or pony up for another kit. Keep up the great videos, love to see them and thanks for all you do for the community.
Someone needs to get this man a rivnut kit and a few thousand rivnuts and bolts to suit, if I had money I would sponsor you a bunch of em, all these things you fabricate would be lighter and so much easier.
Jafro what kind of tap did you use on the tread, i'm from europe, and those 1/8 npt tabsi find or order are to big
there is a number behind the 1/8 npt "27" are there smaller sizes, or does the 1/8 npt just has 1 size?
Great video! Just want to chime in by saying that indeed is good to have a fail safe actually is very similar to what i did but the problem that encounter is that when driving around or at the drag strip the acceleration makes the float inside the meth tank bounce a lot which leads to warning light and boost cut also i use the snow performance kit and in the instruction the clearly state no to put the nozzle upside down like you did I don't know how this will affect you I'm just saying!
Would love to see you work on Evos or Subies !
Is it possible to have a dual stage boost controller and create a tune with the methanol injection when you switch the higher boost setting on it turns on the methanol injection on?
i've seen dual purposed windshield washer tank applications for these, used the same mix for both
I am really happy you’re back jafro 💪
Can it be installed on a daily driven vehicle ? Must there be a tune done after installing Meth? After installed with or with out a tune will there be any further adjustments to the system?
A comprehensive tutorial. excellent video, ty for upload.
Man i missed the Rojo del Chocolate and i dint even know it, it reminds me of your older videos!
You got THREE RojoDelChocolate tracks in ONE video, too! ;)
Jafromobile I know thanks man!
Congradulations on using the 9mm wrench. I've always felt it a waste to buy a set when I only use 14 of them. Now you don't have that issue. Color me jealous.
*receives notification* YES FINALLY!