I live in a large city in Hessen, found a doctor within the first few weeks of moving here by emailing several based on recommendations from an expats group online, they were all accepting new patients... my particular doctor has her number on Signal, so I just text her for an appointment and I've never had to wait more than a couple days. I'm on public insurance. I also never had to wait more than 15 minutes. I've been to a couple specialists w/similar experience... the only specialty I had to wait months for was the pulmonologist to talk about asthma/allergies, and to be fair my symptoms are *so* mild, that I felt like that was a fair triage of resources (I was mostly just double checking to see if they had a different opinion than what I'd been told in the US). Two entirely different anecdotal experiences, but I can't corroborate any of what you're describing in my experience.
Rule no.1 every doctor has to treat you, if you´re sick! So just go early without an appointment. That´s the reason why you "may" have to wait even with an appointment. Your Krankenkasse should have a special hotline to help with appointments for prevention visits. Every doctor has a fixed quarterly budget for all his/her publicly insured patients. Going over the budget starts with reduced payments and ends with not getting paid at all for treatments once the budget is used up.
@@neevabee_ If you have any ideas how to improve on that, we would be willing to listen. But so far nobody came up with an idea that really worked. If you do not know the number of patients that are going to be sick any particular day, then you simply can not avoid waiting (either by doctor and nurses or by patients).
So here in my region, rural northern Germany, I have no problems getting a suitable doctor or an appointment. Perhaps the problem of the lack of doctors is greater in larger cities or densely populated areas. However, a shortage of doctors is generally a problem in Germany at the moment. But it has nothing to do with insurance in general. I also have statutory insurance and have never had any problems. All necessary treatments are always carried out. Cosmetic treatments I have to pay myself, because they are cosmetic and not medically necessary, e.g. removal of liver spots, teeth cleaning, etc.. A little tip on how to get an appointment very quickly: Just say you have (severe) pain. Then they have to examine you. Otherwise it would be a case of failure to render assistance. And most of the time you have pain somehow... I recently had to wait about three months for a root specialist (Endodontist) as well, but if I had been in severe pain, I would have gotten an appointment fairly quickly. Regularly, however, three months. But it was also a specialist who has to care for many patients. Specialists are not a dime a dozen.
I hear a lot about problems getting doctors' appointments, but my personal experience as a 55 yo publicly insured German is the exact opposite. My GP always asks how urgent it is when I ask for an appointment, and will squeeze me in if necessary. For specialist appointments I have never waited for more than two weeks... So, again, I hear this a lot, but I never experienced it myself. I live in the Rhine-Neckar area.
My doctor retired and now I'm looking for a new one. That's how it goes: Have you been here before? No Which insurace? Public So sorry, but we don't take new patients. Since the virus this seems getting worse. But even before, some specialists had this behavior. Call 116117 and they will help you to get an appointment. Maybe it would be good, if a nativ German speaker is around to help...
There are differences between public and private patients in Germany - doctors earn more on private patients for the same treatment; that's why private patients are at an advantage. The disadvantage of private health insurance is how it works, public insurance is simpler - finding a new GP can be but isn't always a problem depending on where one lives - when I lived in the south of Lower Saxony, getting an appointment with a specialist wasn't really a problem. However, in Ostfriesland, where I now live, it can take up to six months to get a specialist appointment. In general I don't really find the German health care system problematic, but expensive - public health care can also be expensive if one has a good wage. In saying that, if one doesn't earn well it will still seem expensive due to the low income. If I compare the German system with the UK system (I have been living in Germany since the 70s) the UK system seems cheap, but I prefer to pay more and get a better service. When I was visiting the US a few years ago more or less everyone I met complained about the US system and became envious of the German system when I told them how it works. All in all I think your video leaves people with a false impression of the German health care system, it may have it's flaws but it still works quite well; nothing is perfect.
as someone who was private and public insured i can agree about the fact that the system is flawed and i wish they would eliminate the whole private insurgence system. Just to start with a horror story from the 80th: as kid i had a minor issue with my eye and my mom took me to a doctor without any appointment (we were never there before, the doc was just close to our location). After the nurse heard we are privately insured she walked into a room and told the doc. An older man who was currently treated in there was complimented out so the doc could see me. We made a big fuss about it and left without going into the room, because it was just inhuman what the doc wanted to do. Today i'm in public and i can´t be happier. i´ve never waited for any appointments longer then a week, i get any specialist and several "hausarzt" offices are available for me in walking distant. Pre Covid i never called in for an appointment, i just walked in, but i had never a waiting time above 30 or 45 min. Some years ago i had to get a CT scan, even that appointment was nearly instant. But as i´m told by my better half, who studied and is working on the business side of our healthcare system, in Germany the availability of doctors is regional very different. Here in the "Ruhrpott" we don´t have as much private insured people so the docs don´t focus on it too much, but in the mayor cities (especially in the south) the ratio is totally different. I´m sorry that you have to experience the bad part of our healthcare system and i still hope the private insurrence system will be eliminated someday. But that won't help you, so did you ever considerd getting a "Zusatzversicherung" on top of your public insurgence. These are modular systems and you can upgrade what you need. I never used one but maybe there is something for you.
I really appreciate hearing your thoughts and experiences about this! I think that the situation is probably very different in different areas of Germany, and I also think that smaller towns/cities have less doctors so that’s a big issue too. It’s all a bit complicated!
Depends 100% on where you reside. In the wealthy regions of Bavaria, Baden-Wurttemberg and Hessen doctors don’t need the income from the publicly insured and treat them like trash. As soon as you leave these metro areas things work well. The true hyper scandal is that docs in the wealthy metro area keep their license to treat publicly insured individuals instead of selling it (yes, the licenses are being traded) despite the fact that they make their money with the privately insured. So, basically they are blocking other doctors to become competitors. Politics has been trying to solve this issue, however, the “Kammern” (lobby organizations) are insanely powerful and are a constant obstacle for reform. Having said all that, compared to the US healthcare system or the horrible NHS in the UK it’s still better in Germany. Take it or leave it.
The disadvantage of the privately insured in Germany are the "exploding" health insurance fees once getting older. Private health insurance companies bait young people (when they are mostly healthy and don't need an insurance) with very low fees. The fees increase more and more with increasing age of the insured until becoming unpayable for many insured - at a time when they need a health insurance the most, and other health insurance companies won't accept them any more as new customers because they're "too old" (often having pre-existing conditions) and their treatment costs are too high (in the view of the companies). By the way, being publicly insured I had once to wait almost one year (!) to get an appointment with a dermatologist. The day I finally had my appointment I had to wait four hours in the waiting room with ca. 20 other patients. Had I had malignant skin cancer, I would have died in the meantime with high probability. The German health care system is really rotten. High fees for poor performance.
There are so many dermatologists. When I needed to see one, I selected one and made an appointment within a week. Easy peasy. And this is definitely the rule. My husband had several birthmarks removed. Same thing. Chose a doctor, got the initial appointment and shortly after the appointment for surgery.
I live in a small village (1500 people) and here is no problem at all. As an example, i got an appointment for an mri scan in 7 days, that was fast. If i call the doctor, they often say, come today at xx clock, or tomorrow. And in the village beside my village there are 2 doctors and i can switch if i want. I can imagine that there are more problems near big citys, because there a not enough doctors, that's simple. The thing with the private insurance is, the doctor can take 200 - 300% more money for the same things, so of course you will get an faster appointment. 😉 Buuuut be careful, private insurance is very tricky at some points. 😉
I live in the center of a big city (Augsburg). My Hausarzt is just around the corner and his waiting room is always empty. Because he is a moron. If I were severely ill, I'd never go to him, but for Krankmeldungen, Überweisungen, vaccinations and recurring receipts he is ideal! 🤪
As far as the problem with doctor appointments is concerned, I advise you to go to your health insurance company. They will help you to find a family doctor/specialist. In Germany there is a law that regulates the waiting time for appointments. As I said. go to your health insurance company You don't make an appointment. It doesn't matter whether you have AOK, IKK or any other insurance. You can find such customer centers everywhere. There should also be one near you. Good luck to you.
Yeah, that can happen. But I have to say, I live in one of the 10 biggest cities here in Germany and I didn't have any trouble to find all the Doctors I need. Almost all of them are even in walking distance. The only time I waited hours with an appointment was my former cardiologist. I don't know if I would be too happy with the health care system in the US, because I have multiple pre-existing conditions. As for private insurances, they should be abolished completely.They are unfair in more than just one way. And if you ever have private insurance and you can't afford it anymore, you are basically screwed because for whatever the reason the public insurance won't take you back in
Yes I think the problem is actually in smaller cities / towns where there are a limited number of doctors. If I want to see a doctor I will need to go into a big city near me but it’s not sooo near me and it’s not ideal! And no the system in the US is horrible - I definitely never said it was worse in Germany than in the states 😂
@@neevabee_ True, there are not nearly enough Doctors in the rural area. And it is said to get even worse in the future. And yeah, the lack of conversations is what drives people to see quacks here. Because if there is one thing they are good at it is conversations. BTW: what helped me communicating with the Doctors and get to the point I want to is saying very bluntly what I need and what the problem is. Exept my gyn. With her, I needed 3 tries before she understood. Since then, we are fine
The problem is not the two types of insurance. If you simply can't find a doctor, there are probably not enough doctors. Although there are enough according to the statistics, the practice seems to be different. In order to have more doctors, we have to offer more study places. The "blame gaming" with private insurance is popular, but these do not take up any extra slots. You also have to consider that doctors simply earn more money with private insurance. This is also unfair to them, since they pay twice as much for the same service. In my opinion, long waiting times are simply a sign of poor organization.
As other people already said: a) nobody said our german health care system was good, they usually say it‘s way more affordable b) the health care system isn‘t connected to the availability of doctors at all. Doctors are still freelancers. c) the availability of doctors in some areas might be bad, so yes, having to drive 30-45 min. to the office is not unusual. d) doctors are usually overloaded with patients, so those with real problems come before those who only want a checkup. Ok, at the same time especially old people overuse the system and go see the doctors for slightest of illnesse, like a simple flu. They crowd the waiting areas like they got nothing else to do. This is of course different in those countries where people almost pay every visit themselves.
Since I haven't lived in Germany for more than 16 years now, I can't say much about the insurance companies, I know that private patients often get appointments faster than those with public insurance, my parents are both public insured, but they don't usually have to wait that long in Berlin, when they have an appointment, they have the advantage that they are pensioners and often have a little more time. In the winter time it can sometimes take a little longer because more people go to the doctor. The larger conurbations and cities probably have fewer problems than the rural regions. There has been a shortage of doctors and medical facilities there for years. For a very long time, unfortunately, far too few medical staff were trained in general, and now the profession is simply not that attractive anymore. Working in medicine often means a great deal of mental and physical stress, you need a thick skin and have to do a lot endure. Many young people just don't want to do that anymore, no matter what the pay is. Priorities have changed and if an industry isn't attractive, it won't have any offspring. Germany is now lacking workers in many areas, not only in medicine and nursing, but also among teachers and educators.
yes the private insurance should be cancelled. I had a really great experience last year (a few bad ones in my life too, but most were good): I got cataracts. I signed up on the website of an eye clinic, in the neighborhood, and was called back the same day, asked about my symptoms, and got an appointment the same day. 4 weeks later was the first laser surgery, 4 weeks later the 2nd, costs for me 0,00€. I do not have private insurance and live in a small town in the south of Baden-Württemberg.🤔
I’m glad you got the care you needed ! I think it also depends on the urgency of the medical problem too. But who knows - some people say they never had a problem with the system and some people say they had lots of problems with the system 🤷
In the village where I lived before, there were 2 female doctors in a group practice, both working part-time. At my first visit (without appointment) she took 1.5 hours for me - bad for the patients after me, but I was happy. So empathic Dr.
@@neevabee_ Yes, I think that is quite a regional problem. For example, in the district of Constance and Freiburg there are quite a lot of therapists and psychiatrists, because there are also universities on the subject. And many students want to stay there later because they want to continue enjoying life there - I know many! My sister-in-law is an internist in the intensive care unit at Heidelberg University Hospital, and also lived in the US for a while, she could probably earn many times more there, but would never swap, as she says. Especially many Scandinavian countries do a lot better in the medical field. I also have to say that there have been capitalistic tendencies in the health care system in DE for years. Health is a human right - not a business!
Why should private insurance should be cancelled? There will be no more slots for consultation, because almost no private patient go to a because he has a private insurance. I think the opposite is true, because of refunds for not visiting doctors!
Interesting. We in Switzerland don't have public health care, but our private health insurance's are obligated to take any citizen in a basic health care contract. So the public health care is secured and the private market is also included.
Why the Hausarzt places don't take in "new patients"? I don't think you have to be fixed to a certain one to get a doctor appointment, right? Usually I just call a few and see who has appointment available that day or the next day. Sometimes I just walked in. Some will ask are you a patient with us before, I said no but they wouldn't and shouldn't decline, based on my experience. ER is really unpredictable here, sometimes 1 hour of waiting, sometimes 6 hours (different exams might be distributed in between), and you don't get a waiting number as some other countries will give to let you know at least where are you in queue, and worst is you cannot go out to eat or take a rest somewhere.
There are 3-4 university hospitals missing in Germany !!! With a growing population, the number of medical study places must also be increased. That is logical. But are there also so many good high school graduates who are suitable for training ???
Access is such a problem all over the world, and it’s only become worse since the pandemic. We need more doctors, nurses and staff at every level to improve this problem. Sadly, I think it’s going to take a very long time before that happens (if it ever does). Working in healthcare is often stressful, traumatic, and downright dangerous at times. It’s a difficult decision to choose to take on a life like that. I hope you’ve been able to get the care you need since making this video and that things have improved for you. All the best! ❤
You get some cities who don’t have enough cardiologists in them as an example, some may have died or retired and obviously the remaining ones are then full and you have to travel. However this ebbs and flows depending on the number of different specialists in any particular place. You always wait about from three months and upwards for a first appointment as a new patient as standing patients have priority. After that the time you wait is much shorter depending on how many specialist doctors in your area. If a doctor is wanting to open a new office then obviously an area with less doctors there will be more attractive and the problem usually solves itself. Nationwide there’s not enough endocrinologists because it’s so complicated and difficult and I think medical students need incentives for choosing areas of medicine which are unpopular. I’ve been here 25 years and I know that certain doctors have longer times in the waiting room, like a gynecologist because there are often emergencies with pregnant women or acute emergencies with pain and they have priority. I just take my headphones or a book or ask the receptionists if I can go for a coffee round the corner till it’s roughly my turn. I’m grateful for first class German health care and usually great doctors.
How can you criticize the German healthcare system? It's perfect, the best in the world... in theory. I think all you are saying is true, and don't get me started on mental healthcare. Extremely difficult to find therapists (who have a license to take publicly insured patients), like you say, you do have to put a lot of effort in getting treatment (energy mental health patients often don't have), and if you are not privately insured before and you ever needed treatment or medication for mental health you will not get private insurance if you admit to that in your application). So in theory all this great. Your insurance covers the costs, but in reality it doesn't get you anywhere if it's so difficult to get the actual treatment.
Oh wow yes this is so true. I didn’t even get into research about the mental health side of things. You make such good points, glad to hear your thoughts!
A part of the problem is - in my opinion - the German thinking, that mental healthcare isn't as serious as other issues. Like the German motto: "Da muss man sich halt mal zusammenreißen". Not the 21st century way...
I thought the problem of not getting an appointment was a east Berlin thing. A doctor told me it is because they have not enough doctors here. About 20 of them already told me, they don't take new patients. To my experience West Berlin is better though.
As for access to healthcare depending on socioeconomic status: it is true that the insurances do not cover everything, e.g. spectacles, batteries for hearing aids, and that very poor people can struggle with the amounts they have to pay out of their own pocket. But regarding waiting times for doctors, socio economic status is irrelevant. When you book an appointment, you are not asked about your salary. That is nonsense.
Hint: you are allowed to lie, when asking for an appointment. That surely only works for a doctor you haven't been to. BUT: don't expect to be treated like a privately insured after you handed over the insurance card to the doctor's assistant. Also you might sit and wait even longer that day. And don't expect to get a next appointment with that doctor anytime soon.... Just showing up early might be the better and more polite option. Yes, the system has it's flaws. Everyone knows about it.
I am lucky to live in an area where this problem is not so bad, I even found a new doctor for my 89 year old father. And when I needed to change my general practitioner, the first one I called was the right one. This problem is really a regional one. Which does not help you, of course. Have you tried the "Terminservicestelle"? Maybe they can help.
Solche schweren Probleme Termine zu bekommen hatte ich noch nie. Vorallem bei einem Notfall der aber nicht so schlimm ist für die Notaufnahme gibt es immer die Hotline der Krankenkasse und man kommt bei dem Arzt dann auch dran. Ich denke das Wichtigste ist dabei tatsächlich einen guten Hausarzt zu finden der dich an die jeweiligen Ärzte überweist. Dann passt das in der Regel auch. Und niemand hat behauptet das das deutsche Gesundheitssystem perfekt wäre. Natürlich gibt es immernoch viel das man ändern und verbessern kann, aber es ist immer besser als keines zu haben. Ich war auch viele Jahre privat versichert und ja, man hat einige Vorteile. Allerdings sind die im Normalfall nicht soviel größer als man denkt.
The German system is far from being the best. I can also agree with many of the points you have raised. Even though I personally have never had problems with medical care, I am not blind and see the weak points of this system.You can see that in how controversial the system is within the government. As I know Germany, something will change over the next 3-5 years.You are not stupid and of course know that as always it is a question of financing. It takes some time to secure them and will only be a compromise in the end. However, I trust the government at least as much that it will be a little better.But I am grateful to you for addressing this important topic.
You went to see the wrong doctors, I am afraid. These are doctors who have issues getting their practice organized properly. Nothing wrong with the system as such.
I’ve lived here for 5 years and in multiple different cities and seen many many different doctors! Can’t imagine by now I would still have only seen “the wrong doctors” !
@@neevabee_ Ich lebe hier seit vier Jahrzehnten. Wie kommt es, dass ich die richtigen Ärzte habe? Glaubst du wirklich du kannst wegen deiner paar Erfahrungen auf ein ganzes System schließen? Da betonst du, dass du nicht pauschalisieren willst und dann tust du es doch. Ist dir eigentlich schon mal aufgefallen, dass du dir selbst widersprichst?
No, I don't think so. I am publically insured, I have also been living in Germany for 5 years, I have had exact same experience, multiple times. For eg, I had to wait for an MRI for 6 months. I had to wait for an appointment with gastroenterologist for 5 months, I had to wait for an appointment with pulmonologist for 4-5 months. I actually speak good German. Many of my friends who do not speak fluent German, aren't even able to register themselves at a Hausarzt, getting appointment with specialists would be even more tougher for them.
@@kshitijkolas I needed an MRI this year and got an appointment within A WEEK! Booked it online, totally transparent. Went there, had it done, got the CD and they sent the results to my doctor and to me within a day. I am on public health insurance.
Yes, these problems exist. But I'd never make an appointment at the GP. Just walk in and wait. AFAIK they aren't allowed to reject you (if you are really sick). Another factor is that we have a lack of doctors. You can't force young people to study medicine (and you wouldn't want to, would you?). Yes, I'm also annoyed by the preferred treatment of privately insured patients. But the alternative would be a NHS-like system, which isn't ideal as well, as every Brit and French can tell you. So, yes, the German system is far from ideal, but among all the bad ones it is still one of the best. And FYI: Call your Krankenkasse, they'll name you a GP in your vicinity who WILL take you as a new patient.
@@neevabee_ Trust us Germans - if there is a big enough problem and enough people are complaining, the government will try to find a solution. Maybe that's our superpower, that we are able to rethink our systems and adjust if necessary - but only then. 😜
Honestly, it is unacceptable to make people wait like this unless there has been an emergency. In that case, people should be notified so they know what to expect. ...BTW. who waits 3 hours for a sick note? Unacceptable! We have issues in the US too. Alot of doctors have poor staff compared to 20 years ago. You can wait for months to get appointments and sit for hours. I think it also depends where you live too. Shortages of doctors are becoming common. The health care companies make this profession unattractive to young people going into the field. High stress and low pay😢
Did you ask about doctors in English or in German? - If you had expected an appointment in English, it would be more understandable that you had such a hard time with the appointment.
It should be said that most people praising the German system are US-Americans who previously went by the "fingers crossed" system. By European standards, it's average. At best. If you are generous. Edit: Well, you mentioned it yourself. I've personally almost never waited more than 30 minutes for an appointment in Austria. Except for the ophthalmologist, I don't know what's up with those guys but expect to stay there for 3-6 hours.
Es mag regionale Unterschiede in den Auslastungen der Hausärzte geben. Diese Begebenheit liest man oft. Grundsätzlich halte ich das Deutsche Gesundheitssystem für gut. Sicher gibt es immer Verbesserungspotential aber viele jammern auf hohem Niveau. Ich hatte gerade gestern Abend einen Arzttermin. Ich bin Kassenpatient und kann deine Erfahrung so nicht bestätigen. Ich hatte deine Erfahrungen im Gespräch angesprochen. Du könntest nächste Woche einen Termin bei meinem Hausarzt bekommen. Viele Grüße
Ich kann dem nur zustimmen. Es gibt hin und wieder Spezialisten, wo man länger auf einen Termin warten muss. Aber sicher nicht beim Hausarzt oder Gynäkologen. 😂
That is the dark side of the german healthcare system. The government does less to do more for the healthcare. This causes a much amount of patients per doctor.
From the experience of a severly demage person, multiple breaks in the spine, they almost left me paralised, they rebreak my spine 5 times in two years, living a torture, in my rating from 1 to 10, german medicine is a minus 100, if i was left completly alone untreated i would be far better than this.
I am from a developing country which is egypt I can say there is no doctors at the free government hospitals they all open private clinics but tbh doctors here are wonderful and better than German graduates especially in surgery like 2nd year training surgeon here knows more than a surgeon with 5 years of practice in germany . I think the usa is the best even if it is soooo expensive they need to make it less expensive and then the become perfect
Egypt ranks #111 on the HAQ (health access and quality) index, while Germany ranks #18. USA ranks #29. So, your impression is not in sync with reality.
@@emmasly123 egyptian healthcare system is soo bad most doctors here leave egypt to germany or the usa or uk but here if u want to make an mri or ct u just go pay money and wait less than hour and get the results u can go to the doctor for reason or no reason u just pay or u can go to university hospitals for free and wait for less than a day but in germany u need to reserve and wait for months to get a therapist for example or to have an mri or ct and in germany health system would have fallen without foreign doctors in germany many syrians attend medical school there just cause they have got 98% in their 12th grade which is an easy thing to do many doctors are bad in germany that is because making the system free quality declined
@@tyrionlannister4015 I booked my MRI online and got the appointment the same week. It depends on how well organized the hospital is. About 7% of the doctors are foreign. I don't think that is a lot.
I know that my GP doesn't take new patients because he is loaded with patients. Waiting time..granted it sucks but it's not with every doctors Office. Doctors can charge more when a patient is private insured..is ir fair? Probably not but that's life. And i don't know why those doctors you met are so crappy but you have to speak up and tell the doctor to listen to you. And the System is good still i see your frustration.
@@neevabee_ you know..i was watching your video with my ami-hubby and we both never had any experiences like this were we live and so we think it might be a regional thing...maybe? You are located in Baden-Württemberg, right? We are in Lower Saxony. Regarding the healthcare System..the american vs german system is in no way compare-able because if someone is in need of treatment a patient gets treated immediately without worrying how to pay while in the us the deductables are outrageous or that bs of a pre-existing condition. When Gofundme is the go to place raising money to cover medical bills than there is everything wrong in a system made for the rich and shady. Now, last i want to say is..that Dr. Who ask you if you want meds or a sicknote is a dick-move..no question.
The American health care system is better than the German one it is better to pay 300 dollars and get an appointment directly than waiting for 3 months to get my appointment
I am not privately insured and can absolutely not verify any your statements. I never had problems changing my GP. Must be a regional Problem I live near Cologne (NRW)
Hast Du nach Ärzten in Englisch oder auf Deutsch gefragt? - Wenn Du einen Termin in englischer Sprache erwartet hättest, so wäre es verständlicher, daß Du Dich mit der Terminierung so schwer tatest.
Not bad, but the worst in the world, in my experience even than 3rd world countries i come from are better, i had a work accident, multiple breaks in the spine, 1st error, they did MRI gave me strongest painkiller and told me i had no spine broken, so i went back to work i could become paralised, cause of pains i come again, then they find multiple fraktures, then uncareful trining over the months they rebreak my spine 5 times, im 2 years later now incapable far worse than i was after the accident. Let aside i was left for 6 or more months waiting at home.
first no system is perfect, but i still do not agree with you, you "heard of two people" and say its normal here, let me tell you - its not...never looked for a doctor longer than, even specialists, a few days...and yes i dont know the doctors near you, but i never ever heard someone waiting for a doctors apointment for 6-8 month....sorry but from my point of view all this sounds like BS
More than 30 doctors rejected you as a patient? Sorry, lady, but this is utter nonsense. I have been living in this country all my life. A long life. And I have only experienced it once in my life that a specialized doctor did not accept any more patients. ONCE in my entire life! And I have lived in various cities of different sizes. So, based on my personal experience and that of all my friends, family and colleagues, I can say that what you describe is definitely not Germany. Why are you making up this stuff?
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Gynaecologist: I was on contraceptives for many years and I had to see my gyn every quarter for check up and new prescription. Your claim that we usually need to wait 8 months for an appointment is utter nonsense. 😂 Pregnant women have to see the gyn for check up regularly throughout pregnancy. Would be ridculous, if they had to wait 8 months for an appointment. 😂
I am very disappointed with this video. I worked for a private health insurance company for many years. That private patients are treated better by doctors is a rumor that persists. It is not true. These are isolated cases that are becoming generalized. Because there are also within the private health insurance different gradations. There are tariffs where less is paid than in social insurance. In addition, there is an immense amount of co-payment. And that an American woman of all people complains about having to wait 2-3 hours..... I myself lived in the USA for 4 years. I don't want to talk about waiting times and medical costs in LA and Vegas here! You seem to me already very integrated into German society! There is grumbled about trifles, such as 2 hours waiting time, without even realizing how it is elsewhere. Actually, I'm not that rude, but please, everyone is free to get on the plane and go to the doctor in the US! Have fun!
I live in a large city in Hessen, found a doctor within the first few weeks of moving here by emailing several based on recommendations from an expats group online, they were all accepting new patients... my particular doctor has her number on Signal, so I just text her for an appointment and I've never had to wait more than a couple days. I'm on public insurance. I also never had to wait more than 15 minutes. I've been to a couple specialists w/similar experience... the only specialty I had to wait months for was the pulmonologist to talk about asthma/allergies, and to be fair my symptoms are *so* mild, that I felt like that was a fair triage of resources (I was mostly just double checking to see if they had a different opinion than what I'd been told in the US).
Two entirely different anecdotal experiences, but I can't corroborate any of what you're describing in my experience.
Rule no.1 every doctor has to treat you, if you´re sick! So just go early without an appointment. That´s the reason why you "may" have to wait even with an appointment.
Your Krankenkasse should have a special hotline to help with appointments for prevention visits.
Every doctor has a fixed quarterly budget for all his/her publicly insured patients.
Going over the budget starts with reduced payments and ends with not getting paid at all for treatments once the budget is used up.
Right I totally get that they have to treat people and that’s why we end up waiting, but that doesn’t seem like a good system either!
@@neevabee_ If you have any ideas how to improve on that, we would be willing to listen. But so far nobody came up with an idea that really worked. If you do not know the number of patients that are going to be sick any particular day, then you simply can not avoid waiting (either by doctor and nurses or by patients).
So here in my region, rural northern Germany, I have no problems getting a suitable doctor or an appointment. Perhaps the problem of the lack of doctors is greater in larger cities or densely populated areas. However, a shortage of doctors is generally a problem in Germany at the moment. But it has nothing to do with insurance in general. I also have statutory insurance and have never had any problems. All necessary treatments are always carried out. Cosmetic treatments I have to pay myself, because they are cosmetic and not medically necessary, e.g. removal of liver spots, teeth cleaning, etc.. A little tip on how to get an appointment very quickly: Just say you have (severe) pain. Then they have to examine you. Otherwise it would be a case of failure to render assistance. And most of the time you have pain somehow... I recently had to wait about three months for a root specialist (Endodontist) as well, but if I had been in severe pain, I would have gotten an appointment fairly quickly. Regularly, however, three months. But it was also a specialist who has to care for many patients. Specialists are not a dime a dozen.
I'm sorry to say this but certain problematic things are normal for you Germans
I hear a lot about problems getting doctors' appointments, but my personal experience as a 55 yo publicly insured German is the exact opposite. My GP always asks how urgent it is when I ask for an appointment, and will squeeze me in if necessary. For specialist appointments I have never waited for more than two weeks... So, again, I hear this a lot, but I never experienced it myself. I live in the Rhine-Neckar area.
My doctor retired and now I'm looking for a new one. That's how it goes:
Have you been here before?
No
Which insurace?
Public
So sorry, but we don't take new patients.
Since the virus this seems getting worse. But even before, some specialists had this behavior.
Call 116117 and they will help you to get an appointment. Maybe it would be good, if a nativ German speaker is around to help...
There are differences between public and private patients in Germany - doctors earn more on private patients for the same treatment; that's why private patients are at an advantage. The disadvantage of private health insurance is how it works, public insurance is simpler - finding a new GP can be but isn't always a problem depending on where one lives - when I lived in the south of Lower Saxony, getting an appointment with a specialist wasn't really a problem. However, in Ostfriesland, where I now live, it can take up to six months to get a specialist appointment. In general I don't really find the German health care system problematic, but expensive - public health care can also be expensive if one has a good wage. In saying that, if one doesn't earn well it will still seem expensive due to the low income. If I compare the German system with the UK system (I have been living in Germany since the 70s) the UK system seems cheap, but I prefer to pay more and get a better service. When I was visiting the US a few years ago more or less everyone I met complained about the US system and became envious of the German system when I told them how it works. All in all I think your video leaves people with a false impression of the German health care system, it may have it's flaws but it still works quite well; nothing is perfect.
as someone who was private and public insured i can agree about the fact that the system is flawed and i wish they would eliminate the whole private insurgence system.
Just to start with a horror story from the 80th:
as kid i had a minor issue with my eye and my mom took me to a doctor without any appointment (we were never there before, the doc was just close to our location). After the nurse heard we are privately insured she walked into a room and told the doc. An older man who was currently treated in there was complimented out so the doc could see me. We made a big fuss about it and left without going into the room, because it was just inhuman what the doc wanted to do.
Today i'm in public and i can´t be happier. i´ve never waited for any appointments longer then a week, i get any specialist and several "hausarzt" offices are available for me in walking distant. Pre Covid i never called in for an appointment, i just walked in, but i had never a waiting time above 30 or 45 min. Some years ago i had to get a CT scan, even that appointment was nearly instant.
But as i´m told by my better half, who studied and is working on the business side of our healthcare system, in Germany the availability of doctors is regional very different. Here in the "Ruhrpott" we don´t have as much private insured people so the docs don´t focus on it too much, but in the mayor cities (especially in the south) the ratio is totally different.
I´m sorry that you have to experience the bad part of our healthcare system and i still hope the private insurrence system will be eliminated someday. But that won't help you, so did you ever considerd getting a "Zusatzversicherung" on top of your public insurgence. These are modular systems and you can upgrade what you need.
I never used one but maybe there is something for you.
I really appreciate hearing your thoughts and experiences about this! I think that the situation is probably very different in different areas of Germany, and I also think that smaller towns/cities have less doctors so that’s a big issue too. It’s all a bit complicated!
Depends 100% on where you reside. In the wealthy regions of Bavaria, Baden-Wurttemberg and Hessen doctors don’t need the income from the publicly insured and treat them like trash. As soon as you leave these metro areas things work well. The true hyper scandal is that docs in the wealthy metro area keep their license to treat publicly insured individuals instead of selling it (yes, the licenses are being traded) despite the fact that they make their money with the privately insured. So, basically they are blocking other doctors to become competitors. Politics has been trying to solve this issue, however, the “Kammern” (lobby organizations) are insanely powerful and are a constant obstacle for reform. Having said all that, compared to the US healthcare system or the horrible NHS in the UK it’s still better in Germany. Take it or leave it.
The disadvantage of the privately insured in Germany are the "exploding" health insurance fees once getting older. Private health insurance companies bait young people (when they are mostly healthy and don't need an insurance) with very low fees. The fees increase more and more with increasing age of the insured until becoming unpayable for many insured - at a time when they need a health insurance the most, and other health insurance companies won't accept them any more as new customers because they're "too old" (often having pre-existing conditions) and their treatment costs are too high (in the view of the companies).
By the way, being publicly insured I had once to wait almost one year (!) to get an appointment with a dermatologist. The day I finally had my appointment I had to wait four hours in the waiting room with ca. 20 other patients. Had I had malignant skin cancer, I would have died in the meantime with high probability. The German health care system is really rotten. High fees for poor performance.
Wow that is awful!!!!! Thank you for sharing. It’s interesting to hear your perspective and opinions.
I’ve also heard horror stories from these types of systems
There are so many dermatologists. When I needed to see one, I selected one and made an appointment within a week. Easy peasy.
And this is definitely the rule. My husband had several birthmarks removed. Same thing. Chose a doctor, got the initial appointment and shortly after the appointment for surgery.
I live in a small village (1500 people) and here is no problem at all.
As an example, i got an appointment for an mri scan in 7 days, that was fast.
If i call the doctor, they often say, come today at xx clock, or tomorrow.
And in the village beside my village there are 2 doctors and i can switch if i want.
I can imagine that there are more problems near big citys, because there a not enough doctors, that's simple.
The thing with the private insurance is, the doctor can take 200 - 300% more money for the same things, so of course you will get an faster appointment. 😉
Buuuut be careful, private insurance is very tricky at some points. 😉
I live in the center of a big city (Augsburg). My Hausarzt is just around the corner and his waiting room is always empty. Because he is a moron. If I were severely ill, I'd never go to him, but for Krankmeldungen, Überweisungen, vaccinations and recurring receipts he is ideal! 🤪
Wow that’s interesting! I’m sure it depends a lot on where you live. And yes of course more money = better stuff 😂 unfortunately
As far as the problem with doctor appointments is concerned, I advise you to go to your health insurance company. They will help you to find a family doctor/specialist. In Germany there is a law that regulates the waiting time for appointments. As I said. go to your health insurance company You don't make an appointment. It doesn't matter whether you have AOK, IKK or any other insurance. You can find such customer centers everywhere. There should also be one near you.
Good luck to you.
Yeah, that can happen. But I have to say, I live in one of the 10 biggest cities here in Germany and I didn't have any trouble to find all the Doctors I need. Almost all of them are even in walking distance. The only time I waited hours with an appointment was my former cardiologist. I don't know if I would be too happy with the health care system in the US, because I have multiple pre-existing conditions. As for private insurances, they should be abolished completely.They are unfair in more than just one way. And if you ever have private insurance and you can't afford it anymore, you are basically screwed because for whatever the reason the public insurance won't take you back in
Yes I think the problem is actually in smaller cities / towns where there are a limited number of doctors. If I want to see a doctor I will need to go into a big city near me but it’s not sooo near me and it’s not ideal! And no the system in the US is horrible - I definitely never said it was worse in Germany than in the states 😂
@@neevabee_ True, there are not nearly enough Doctors in the rural area. And it is said to get even worse in the future. And yeah, the lack of conversations is what drives people to see quacks here. Because if there is one thing they are good at it is conversations. BTW: what helped me communicating with the Doctors and get to the point I want to is saying very bluntly what I need and what the problem is. Exept my gyn. With her, I needed 3 tries before she understood. Since then, we are fine
The problem is not the two types of insurance. If you simply can't find a doctor, there are probably not enough doctors. Although there are enough according to the statistics, the practice seems to be different. In order to have more doctors, we have to offer more study places.
The "blame gaming" with private insurance is popular, but these do not take up any extra slots. You also have to consider that doctors simply earn more money with private insurance. This is also unfair to them, since they pay twice as much for the same service.
In my opinion, long waiting times are simply a sign of poor organization.
I hear you! I definitely think there is a lack of doctors in Germany and it’s a big issue.
Ah, logic! So soothing! 😉
@@neevabee_ The university of Bielefeld has started a medical brunch just a few years ago.
@@Ophomox … as did the University of Augsburg.
As other people already said: a) nobody said our german health care system was good, they usually say it‘s way more affordable b) the health care system isn‘t connected to the availability of doctors at all. Doctors are still freelancers. c) the availability of doctors in some areas might be bad, so yes, having to drive 30-45 min. to the office is not unusual. d) doctors are usually overloaded with patients, so those with real problems come before those who only want a checkup. Ok, at the same time especially old people overuse the system and go see the doctors for slightest of illnesse, like a simple flu. They crowd the waiting areas like they got nothing else to do. This is of course different in those countries where people almost pay every visit themselves.
I cannot fully agree with your views.
@@uranus348 Nun ja, sowas passiert.
my doc give no appointments. you come, wait max. an hour and than let´s go. That has nothing to do with the german health care. doctor´s rules
Since I haven't lived in Germany for more than 16 years now, I can't say much about the insurance companies, I know that private patients often get appointments faster than those with public insurance, my parents are both public insured, but they don't usually have to wait that long in Berlin, when they have an appointment, they have the advantage that they are pensioners and often have a little more time. In the winter time it can sometimes take a little longer because more people go to the doctor. The larger conurbations and cities probably have fewer problems than the rural regions. There has been a shortage of doctors and medical facilities there for years.
For a very long time, unfortunately, far too few medical staff were trained in general, and now the profession is simply not that attractive anymore. Working in medicine often means a great deal of mental and physical stress, you need a thick skin and have to do a lot endure. Many young people just don't want to do that anymore, no matter what the pay is. Priorities have changed and if an industry isn't attractive, it won't have any offspring. Germany is now lacking workers in many areas, not only in medicine and nursing, but also among teachers and educators.
Yes I definitely think there is a huge lack of doctors here and it’s a big issue!
@@neevabee_
we need qualified people that like to work in these areas.
@@neevabee_ As of 2017, Germany had 4,3 doctors per capita, ranking #12 on the density list, while the US had 2,6 - ranking 51st.
You are welcome.
yes the private insurance should be cancelled.
I had a really great experience last year (a few bad ones in my life too, but most were good): I got cataracts. I signed up on the website of an eye clinic, in the neighborhood, and was called back the same day, asked about my symptoms, and got an appointment the same day. 4 weeks later was the first laser surgery, 4 weeks later the 2nd, costs for me 0,00€.
I do not have private insurance and live in a small town in the south of Baden-Württemberg.🤔
I’m glad you got the care you needed ! I think it also depends on the urgency of the medical problem too. But who knows - some people say they never had a problem with the system and some people say they had lots of problems with the system 🤷
In the village where I lived before, there were 2 female doctors in a group practice, both working part-time. At my first visit (without appointment) she took 1.5 hours for me - bad for the patients after me, but I was happy. So empathic Dr.
@@neevabee_ Yes, I think that is quite a regional problem. For example, in the district of Constance and Freiburg there are quite a lot of therapists and psychiatrists, because there are also universities on the subject. And many students want to stay there later because they want to continue enjoying life there - I know many! My sister-in-law is an internist in the intensive care unit at Heidelberg University Hospital, and also lived in the US for a while, she could probably earn many times more there, but would never swap, as she says. Especially many Scandinavian countries do a lot better in the medical field. I also have to say that there have been capitalistic tendencies in the health care system in DE for years. Health is a human right - not a business!
Why should private insurance should be cancelled? There will be no more slots for consultation, because almost no private patient go to a because he has a private insurance. I think the opposite is true, because of refunds for not visiting doctors!
@@Ophomox Two-class society? Civil servants and the self-employed have to pay in the same way.
Interesting. We in Switzerland don't have public health care, but our private health insurance's are obligated to take any citizen in a basic health care contract. So the public health care is secured and the private market is also included.
Why the Hausarzt places don't take in "new patients"? I don't think you have to be fixed to a certain one to get a doctor appointment, right? Usually I just call a few and see who has appointment available that day or the next day. Sometimes I just walked in. Some will ask are you a patient with us before, I said no but they wouldn't and shouldn't decline, based on my experience. ER is really unpredictable here, sometimes 1 hour of waiting, sometimes 6 hours (different exams might be distributed in between), and you don't get a waiting number as some other countries will give to let you know at least where are you in queue, and worst is you cannot go out to eat or take a rest somewhere.
There are 3-4 university hospitals missing in Germany !!! With a growing population, the number of medical study places must also be increased. That is logical. But are there also so many good high school graduates who are suitable for training ???
Access is such a problem all over the world, and it’s only become worse since the pandemic. We need more doctors, nurses and staff at every level to improve this problem. Sadly, I think it’s going to take a very long time before that happens (if it ever does). Working in healthcare is often stressful, traumatic, and downright dangerous at times. It’s a difficult decision to choose to take on a life like that. I hope you’ve been able to get the care you need since making this video and that things have improved for you. All the best! ❤
"Terminservice- und Versorgungsgesetz (TSVG)" - All you have to know is this German law. The KV (Kassenärztliche Vereinigung) will do it for you.
I am 64 and I never had problems like this. I am in the AOK. Must by a problem in your area.
You get some cities who don’t have enough cardiologists in them as an example, some may have died or retired and obviously the remaining ones are then full and you have to travel. However this ebbs and flows depending on the number of different specialists in any particular place. You always wait about from three months and upwards for a first appointment as a new patient as standing patients have priority. After that the time you wait is much shorter depending on how many specialist doctors in your area. If a doctor is wanting to open a new office then obviously an area with less doctors there will be more attractive and the problem usually solves itself. Nationwide there’s not enough endocrinologists because it’s so complicated and difficult and I think medical students need incentives for choosing areas of medicine which are unpopular. I’ve been here 25 years and I know that certain doctors have longer times in the waiting room, like a gynecologist because there are often emergencies with pregnant women or acute emergencies with pain and they have priority. I just take my headphones or a book or ask the receptionists if I can go for a coffee round the corner till it’s roughly my turn. I’m grateful for first class German health care and usually great doctors.
How can you criticize the German healthcare system? It's perfect, the best in the world... in theory.
I think all you are saying is true, and don't get me started on mental healthcare. Extremely difficult to find therapists (who have a license to take publicly insured patients), like you say, you do have to put a lot of effort in getting treatment (energy mental health patients often don't have), and if you are not privately insured before and you ever needed treatment or medication for mental health you will not get private insurance if you admit to that in your application).
So in theory all this great. Your insurance covers the costs, but in reality it doesn't get you anywhere if it's so difficult to get the actual treatment.
Oh wow yes this is so true. I didn’t even get into research about the mental health side of things. You make such good points, glad to hear your thoughts!
A part of the problem is - in my opinion - the German thinking, that mental healthcare isn't as serious as other issues. Like the German motto: "Da muss man sich halt mal zusammenreißen". Not the 21st century way...
I thought the problem of not getting an appointment was a east Berlin thing. A doctor told me it is because they have not enough doctors here. About 20 of them already told me, they don't take new patients. To my experience West Berlin is better though.
As for access to healthcare depending on socioeconomic status: it is true that the insurances do not cover everything, e.g. spectacles, batteries for hearing aids, and that very poor people can struggle with the amounts they have to pay out of their own pocket.
But regarding waiting times for doctors, socio economic status is irrelevant. When you book an appointment, you are not asked about your salary. That is nonsense.
Ich bin Kassenpatient.
Hint: you are allowed to lie, when asking for an appointment. That surely only works for a doctor you haven't been to. BUT: don't expect to be treated like a privately insured after you handed over the insurance card to the doctor's assistant. Also you might sit and wait even longer that day. And don't expect to get a next appointment with that doctor anytime soon....
Just showing up early might be the better and more polite option.
Yes, the system has it's flaws. Everyone knows about it.
Hahaha i would not actually go to an appointment pretending to have private insurance ! Don’t worry :)))) it was just to show an example!
I am lucky to live in an area where this problem is not so bad, I even found a new doctor for my 89 year old father. And when I needed to change my general practitioner, the first one I called was the right one. This problem is really a regional one. Which does not help you, of course. Have you tried the "Terminservicestelle"? Maybe they can help.
I’ll look into it! Glad you have the care you need!
As an American, not being a fan of the German healthcare system is already the first joke.
And already I can't take you seriously anymore.
Solche schweren Probleme Termine zu bekommen hatte ich noch nie. Vorallem bei einem Notfall der aber nicht so schlimm ist für die Notaufnahme gibt es immer die Hotline der Krankenkasse und man kommt bei dem Arzt dann auch dran. Ich denke das Wichtigste ist dabei tatsächlich einen guten Hausarzt zu finden der dich an die jeweiligen Ärzte überweist. Dann passt das in der Regel auch.
Und niemand hat behauptet das das deutsche Gesundheitssystem perfekt wäre. Natürlich gibt es immernoch viel das man ändern und verbessern kann, aber es ist immer besser als keines zu haben.
Ich war auch viele Jahre privat versichert und ja, man hat einige Vorteile. Allerdings sind die im Normalfall nicht soviel größer als man denkt.
The German system is far from being the best. I can also agree with many of the points you have raised. Even though I personally have never had problems with medical care, I am not blind and see the weak points of this system.You can see that in how controversial the system is within the government. As I know Germany, something will change over the next 3-5 years.You are not stupid and of course know that as always it is a question of financing. It takes some time to secure them and will only be a compromise in the end. However, I trust the government at least as much that it will be a little better.But I am grateful to you for addressing this important topic.
You went to see the wrong doctors, I am afraid. These are doctors who have issues getting their practice organized properly. Nothing wrong with the system as such.
I’ve lived here for 5 years and in multiple different cities and seen many many different doctors! Can’t imagine by now I would still have only seen “the wrong doctors” !
@@neevabee_ Ich lebe hier seit vier Jahrzehnten. Wie kommt es, dass ich die richtigen Ärzte habe? Glaubst du wirklich du kannst wegen deiner paar Erfahrungen auf ein ganzes System schließen? Da betonst du, dass du nicht pauschalisieren willst und dann tust du es doch. Ist dir eigentlich schon mal aufgefallen, dass du dir selbst widersprichst?
No, I don't think so. I am publically insured, I have also been living in Germany for 5 years, I have had exact same experience, multiple times. For eg, I had to wait for an MRI for 6 months. I had to wait for an appointment with gastroenterologist for 5 months, I had to wait for an appointment with pulmonologist for 4-5 months. I actually speak good German. Many of my friends who do not speak fluent German, aren't even able to register themselves at a Hausarzt, getting appointment with specialists would be even more tougher for them.
@@kshitijkolas I needed an MRI this year and got an appointment within A WEEK!
Booked it online, totally transparent. Went there, had it done, got the CD and they sent the results to my doctor and to me within a day.
I am on public health insurance.
Yes, these problems exist. But I'd never make an appointment at the GP. Just walk in and wait. AFAIK they aren't allowed to reject you (if you are really sick). Another factor is that we have a lack of doctors. You can't force young people to study medicine (and you wouldn't want to, would you?). Yes, I'm also annoyed by the preferred treatment of privately insured patients. But the alternative would be a NHS-like system, which isn't ideal as well, as every Brit and French can tell you. So, yes, the German system is far from ideal, but among all the bad ones it is still one of the best.
And FYI: Call your Krankenkasse, they'll name you a GP in your vicinity who WILL take you as a new patient.
Yes! I think there is a huge lack of doctors and it’s definitely a problem. It’s just unfortunate that the citizens have to suffer because of this :/
@@neevabee_ Trust us Germans - if there is a big enough problem and enough people are complaining, the government will try to find a solution. Maybe that's our superpower, that we are able to rethink our systems and adjust if necessary - but only then. 😜
Honestly, it is unacceptable to make people wait like this unless there has been an emergency. In that case, people should be notified so they know what to expect. ...BTW. who waits 3 hours for a sick note? Unacceptable! We have issues in the US too. Alot of doctors have poor staff compared to 20 years ago. You can wait for months to get appointments and sit for hours. I think it also depends where you live too. Shortages of doctors are becoming common. The health care companies make this profession unattractive to young people going into the field. High stress and low pay😢
You are 100 percent right
Did you ask about doctors in English or in German? - If you had expected an appointment in English, it would be more understandable that you had such a hard time with the appointment.
It should be said that most people praising the German system are US-Americans who previously went by the "fingers crossed" system. By European standards, it's average. At best. If you are generous.
Edit: Well, you mentioned it yourself. I've personally almost never waited more than 30 minutes for an appointment in Austria. Except for the ophthalmologist, I don't know what's up with those guys but expect to stay there for 3-6 hours.
Yes, I agree that in comparison to the US it’s definitely good, just not in comparison to other countries! Thanks for your thoughts on this :)
Which country in europe has a better health system?
@@tnit7554
Basically all in Western Europe except for England.
Es mag regionale Unterschiede in den Auslastungen der Hausärzte geben. Diese Begebenheit liest man oft. Grundsätzlich halte ich das Deutsche Gesundheitssystem für gut. Sicher gibt es immer Verbesserungspotential aber viele jammern auf hohem Niveau. Ich hatte gerade gestern Abend einen Arzttermin. Ich bin Kassenpatient und kann deine Erfahrung so nicht bestätigen. Ich hatte deine Erfahrungen im Gespräch angesprochen. Du könntest nächste Woche einen Termin bei meinem Hausarzt bekommen. Viele Grüße
Ich kann dem nur zustimmen. Es gibt hin und wieder Spezialisten, wo man länger auf einen Termin warten muss. Aber sicher nicht beim Hausarzt oder Gynäkologen. 😂
That is the dark side of the german healthcare system. The government does less to do more for the healthcare. This causes a much amount of patients per doctor.
From the experience of a severly demage person, multiple breaks in the spine, they almost left me paralised, they rebreak my spine 5 times in two years, living a torture, in my rating from 1 to 10, german medicine is a minus 100, if i was left completly alone untreated i would be far better than this.
I am from a developing country which is egypt I can say there is no doctors at the free government hospitals they all open private clinics but tbh doctors here are wonderful and better than German graduates especially in surgery like 2nd year training surgeon here knows more than a surgeon with 5 years of practice in germany . I think the usa is the best even if it is soooo expensive they need to make it less expensive and then the become perfect
Egypt ranks #111 on the HAQ (health access and quality) index, while Germany ranks #18.
USA ranks #29. So, your impression is not in sync with reality.
@@emmasly123 egyptian healthcare system is soo bad most doctors here leave egypt to germany or the usa or uk but here if u want to make an mri or ct u just go pay money and wait less than hour and get the results u can go to the doctor for reason or no reason u just pay or u can go to university hospitals for free and wait for less than a day but in germany u need to reserve and wait for months to get a therapist for example or to have an mri or ct and in germany health system would have fallen without foreign doctors
in germany many syrians attend medical school there just cause they have got 98% in their 12th grade which is an easy thing to do many doctors are bad in germany that is because making the system free quality declined
@@tyrionlannister4015 I booked my MRI online and got the appointment the same week.
It depends on how well organized the hospital is. About 7% of the doctors are foreign. I don't think that is a lot.
@@emmasly123 11% and increasing
When you`re really sick they can`t refuse to treat you. And I`m sure they won`t. Just try again with a doctor near to you when ypu`re really sick.
I know that my GP doesn't take new patients because he is loaded with patients.
Waiting time..granted it sucks but it's not with every doctors Office.
Doctors can charge more when a patient is private insured..is ir fair? Probably not but that's life.
And i don't know why those doctors you met are so crappy but you have to speak up and tell the doctor to listen to you.
And the System is good still i see your frustration.
I appreciate your thoughts
- I know there are many different opinions about this !
@@neevabee_ you know..i was watching your video with my ami-hubby and we both never had any experiences like this were we live and so we think it might be a regional thing...maybe? You are located in Baden-Württemberg, right? We are in Lower Saxony.
Regarding the healthcare System..the american vs german system is in no way compare-able because if someone is in need of treatment a patient gets treated immediately without worrying how to pay while in the us the deductables are outrageous or that bs of a pre-existing condition.
When Gofundme is the go to place raising money to cover medical bills than there is everything wrong in a system made for the rich and shady.
Now, last i want to say is..that Dr. Who ask you if you want meds or a sicknote is a dick-move..no question.
The American health care system is better than the German one it is better to pay 300 dollars and get an appointment directly than waiting for 3 months to get my appointment
If you have $300.
I am not privately insured and can absolutely not verify any your statements. I never had problems changing my GP. Must be a regional Problem I live near Cologne (NRW)
Maybe they should have the american system. Where nobody can afford it
Hast Du nach Ärzten in Englisch oder auf Deutsch gefragt? - Wenn Du einen Termin in englischer Sprache erwartet hättest, so wäre es verständlicher, daß Du Dich mit der Terminierung so schwer tatest.
Not bad, but the worst in the world, in my experience even than 3rd world countries i come from are better, i had a work accident, multiple breaks in the spine, 1st error, they did MRI gave me strongest painkiller and told me i had no spine broken, so i went back to work i could become paralised, cause of pains i come again, then they find multiple fraktures, then uncareful trining over the months they rebreak my spine 5 times, im 2 years later now incapable far worse than i was after the accident. Let aside i was left for 6 or more months waiting at home.
These people are not humans, these people are crazy to tie.
first no system is perfect, but i still do not agree with you, you "heard of two people" and say its normal here, let me tell you - its not...never looked for a doctor longer than, even specialists, a few days...and yes i dont know the doctors near you, but i never ever heard someone waiting for a doctors apointment for 6-8 month....sorry but from my point of view all this sounds like BS
More than 30 doctors rejected you as a patient? Sorry, lady, but this is utter nonsense. I have been living in this country all my life. A long life. And I have only experienced it once in my life that a specialized doctor did not accept any more patients. ONCE in my entire life!
And I have lived in various cities of different sizes.
So, based on my personal experience and that of all my friends, family and colleagues, I can say that what you describe is definitely not Germany.
Why are you making up this stuff?
That’s healthcare everywhere, go back to the USA for better
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Gynaecologist: I was on contraceptives for many years and I had to see my gyn every quarter for check up and new prescription. Your claim that we usually need to wait 8 months for an appointment is utter nonsense. 😂
Pregnant women have to see the gyn for check up regularly throughout pregnancy. Would be ridculous, if they had to wait 8 months for an appointment. 😂
I am very disappointed with this video. I worked for a private health insurance company for many years. That private patients are treated better by doctors is a rumor that persists. It is not true. These are isolated cases that are becoming generalized.
Because there are also within the private health insurance different gradations.
There are tariffs where less is paid than in social insurance. In addition, there is an immense amount of co-payment.
And that an American woman of all people complains about having to wait 2-3 hours.....
I myself lived in the USA for 4 years. I don't want to talk about waiting times and medical costs in LA and Vegas here!
You seem to me already very integrated into German society! There is grumbled about trifles, such as 2 hours waiting time, without even realizing how it is elsewhere. Actually, I'm not that rude, but please, everyone is free to get on the plane and go to the doctor in the US! Have fun!