Drinking from the Firehose with Howard Bloom
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- It’s easier in some ways to say what Howard Bloom isn’t than what he is. He’s not dull, for starters. Talking to him gave me the same sense of drinking from a fire hose that I experienced talking to Camille Paglia, who is one of the only people I have ever met who could give him a run for his money for sheer verbal fluency. He’s not someone whose existence you could believe in him if he wasn’t real, either. In fact, when I first heard about him, I thought “there’s just no way all those things can be true.”
But they are.
His first and longest lasting love has been science. At sixteen, he worked as a research assistant studying the immune system at the Roswell Park Memorial Research Cancer Institute. While attending NYU, he edited an art magazine, to substantial critical acclaim, then an underground rock magazine (even though he knew very little, to begin with, about rock), and then head of public relations at ABC, working for Simon & Garfunkel, Michael Jackson, the Talking Heads, AC/DC, and Bob Marley (among many others). In 1985 the acts he handled grossed a third of a billion dollars.
He’s also cofounded and chaired the Asian Space Technology Summit and serves on the board of the National Space Society.
We talked about many things: the perils of his isolated childhood, his severe bout of chronic fatigue syndrome, his interest in ecstatic collective experiences - and we barely scratched the surface.
He’s written six books:
How I Accidentally Started the Sixties (2017): an autobiographical work charting a decade of revolution and chaos: Amazon USA (amzn.to/2jDbZnd); Amazon Can (amzn.to/2i723lk)
The Muhammad Code (2016), his controversial work on Islam and terrorism: Amazon USA (amzn.to/2jCAGQz); Amazon Can (amzn.to/2i9w0RZ)
The God Problem (2012): how a Godless cosmos creates: Amazon USA (amzn.to/2AoZBit); Amazon Can (amzn.to/2jCQ8vP)
The Genius of the Beast (2009), his radical revisioning of capitalism: Amazon USA (amzn.to/2Akj6uH); Amazon Can (amzn.to/2kdyWRM)
Global Brain (2001), about the deep evolutionary roots of the mass mind: Amazon USA (amzn.to/2i6F2yX); Amazon Can (amzn.to/2jE4GLJ)
The Lucifer Principle (1997), about history, biology and evil: Amazon USA (amzn.to/2i73rV4); Amazon Can (amzn.to/2jE4KuX)
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Bloom be like "Also, I've been recognized as the most humble person on earth. Recently the pope, God, and several billionaires got together and honored me at a special ceremony in which I was awarded a golden robe and scepter to symbolize my humility. They said that my humility was the most relevant humility they'd ever seen, not just then, but also in the past and future."
“And then we all ate cake”
A worthy lampoon, mon buckeroo,.. touche! :) 🤙
Aloha nui!
Irvin - I AM Omnihumble.
Lol, yeah, but he still is pretty awesome - he kinda deserves to revel is his accomplishments.
Bloom says "And God bowed down to me!!!"
Who else notices that Dr Peterson is getting better at interviewing? Good work Dr Peterson!
He's use to interviewing people with issues.
My husband's listening to this and he says Howard Bloom forgot to tell about how he helped God create the world when He ran into the hard parts.
He explains in The God Problem...lol
😂😂😂
I haven't even head it yet and I know you're making that up.
You can hear more form him on his Howard Bloom youtube channel. He even outlined and comes back to some of his books sometimes
Should have asked Howard to show us his daily 1,000 push up regimen
This guy could be an entire brass section of a symphony all by himself. I've never seen someone so good at tooting his own horn.
Some of this guys stories seem faulty, highly indulged and exaggerated. But Dr. Peterson just lets him go on probably studying his pathology all the way through.
Thought the same
This guy is super interesting. Great interview. It could have been even better if Howard took a moment from blowing himself.
that's an interesting metaphor for his self glorifying narratives. btw, a very Un-Buffalo way to speak of ones self. Love ya HB! :)
Thank you, Dr. Peterson. It's not often that I hear someone articulate what music means to me and what happens when I get up on stage. You may have just saved me another 20 years of stumbling through failed attempts at articulating the ineffable.
My favorite interview so far among all interviews I’ve ever heard. The guy’s mind is at crystal level of clarity. It’s not boasting if it’s real. Will study his stuff
Cindy have fun but you should recherche by yourself too cause he tells a lot of garbage
This interview is a priceless insight into the mind of Howard Bloom, a man I knew literally nothing about before today. These two men embody, each in their own way, the talents and principles which I respect and admire. It is a privilege to witness their interaction and I hope to learn more from and about Howard in their upcoming talks.
Bloom's ego is insufferable but an interesting discussion nontheless
Given his accomplishments - I think the man has earned a right to said Ego...
@@MajesticDemonLord "accomplishments" (heaviest quotes ever)
Howard "I created music and neuroscience" Bloom
SushiDesu please don't try to spread this Rogan meme here
Zack "don't try to spread this Rogan meme here" Lyle
lol
he organised extreme mindcontroll through the music industry and tv networks...introducing children (muppet show hosting alice cooper) to drag queens , necrophilia , sadomasochistic sexuallity, drugs and rock 'n roll.. 22:17 - 23:11 i found true meaning in Bloom's words..it's a soul exchange as he states.. the audience exchanging souls (a.k.a ethics..) with the musicians..that's why he promoted alice cooper..a band with a dark and twisted soul....it's all about social enginneering...JP acknowledges that and congratulates the zionist atheist jewish host..
Oh my God!
That was an awesome, terrific, compelling, thought provoking (ECT), interview!!
Splendid!
I love being the fly on the wall, in a room, listening to two intellects!
Damn, life really is good!!
Thank you, Both!
You guys covered at most 20% of what you need to talk about together, including Bloom's books, and how they tie into themes that Dr. Peterson is interested in. Looking forward to several more of these.
15 minutes in... this guy is definitely interesting, but he's also a serial braggart
i thought the same LOL
I mean the interview is about him and he probably has low social IQ.
I don't mind. I wouldn't know about all those things that he did had he not mentioned them. What you really gotta ask yourself is why does him talking about his accomplishments bother you so much?
That is a fair shot, we feel threatened by people who accomplish more than we do, or otherwise outdo us. The reasons for that should be obvious, if not all that flattering to the underachiever, though most people underachieve in some sphere.
Since people don't like a braggart, the successful ubermench might want to consider whether he is stepping on his own message. Equally it would be cooler if we pretended that the achievements of others didn't affect us, but it may only be a stance for those who present that way.
Rob Vel. I wouldn't say I was bothered at all. Howard Bloom is evidently a very intelligent man who has lived an incredible life. Especially if we can take everything he said as true. But I must say, some of his stories test my credulity. Did you catch how he did 350 push-ups this morning, at age 74? Or his rampant name dropping? His unabashed credit-taking for advances in neuroscience, particle physics, visual arts, rock'n'roll and even the counter-culture of the sixties? I admit It would be far more interesting if everything he said is true, but I can't accept that based on a skype interview posted on youtube. I'm inclined to be skeptical, and you should be as well.
I will say I'm definitely going to buy and read The Lucifer Principle now.
Howard Bloom has to be the only person I've heard of whose experiences even approximately reflect my own. This is the most significant yotube video I've yet seen. Thank you both.
everything he said about Alice Cooper was completely wrong
So i don't believe anything the guy says
And it's not even that hard, you can google this stuff or watch the movie Super Duper Alice Cooper
Alice himself talks about his story
HOLY CRAP!!! THE NAME DROPPING!! and the long jags of uninteresting anecdotes bored me shitless!! When Jordan goes on long jags I always stay captivated. I quit 10 minutes iin.
I'm at 18 minutes and it kind of is a test on my patience.
He tries to act like he broke career's he was just a publicist a guy that had connections at magazines and newspapers. He greased some palms bought dinners and got his clients good press.
I figured it out and told my doctor about it... I held a conference and a book was written about it....
I did everything ever done on my own and I am the most interesting person that ever lived. I do everything on my own and other people learn from me. All their success comes from my ideas I generously gifted to them.
I've never heard of Howard bloom, but I plan on listening closely to this interview. Thank you
You are in for a real treat.
It's crazy good. Howard Bloom might be my favorite discussion person. I think this might be my favorite of Dr. Peterson's videos. I almost never comment, but good grief, this video demands engagement.
Read his book Lucifer Principle
Why your fav?
billpfortuna quite a few of the ideas that would appear in later, maybe more famous books (e.g. Pinker's Better Angels..) I first came across in Howard Bloom's The Lucifer Principle. The myth of the primitive society being more in tune with nature, less corrupted by greed and therefore more peaceful, of women being less confrontational and therefore better leaders, the question of the decline or increase of violence throughout history, the issue of the physical effects being ostracized has on your body.. Not only did that book show Howard Bloom as a bit of a pioneer in these topics, It makes that particular book a great introduction to a lot of issues worth researching further
Absolutely amazing, I look forward to the future conversations.
Thank you both sincerely.
This was one of the most fascinating discussion I've heard in a long time.
As a musician, I can absolutely confirm the experience he describes about being on stage and baring your soul to the audience and then having that reciprocated and leading to a positive feedback loop. It doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you feel it on a visceral level and it's terrifying and glorious and carries your performance to levels you never imagined were inside you. I hadn't ever heard it expressed in so clear a fashion though.
This Howard dude is absolutely nuts and fascinating.
I’ve never heard of Howard Bloom but I’m on the path for studying Psychology. Which in my area is a difficult thing to do, however that will not stop me. At the moment of typing this I’m still watching the video and it has me hooked. I love this video and I know it will help me later in my course. 💚
Howard is such an interesting person. I always enjoy hearing him talk.
This conversation is absolute magic. I cannot thank you enough!
Oh wow this is by far my favorite Interview, Jordan has put together. Early Christmas present, thank you, Jordan
Plus, Mr. Bloom's insights into music have been great. "I'm here to present your soul." (paraphrased, of course) That was brilliant. Because that's what music is. When you play music you feel, you are who you REALLY are. Who the person is at their core.
being someone who loves ideas, science, a musician and having had a short period of self-imposed isolation as an adult I am very interested in Howard blooms story
Dose of Truth to me it is a Bday gift. After this I am gonna clean my room
He has his own podcast if you're interested on hearing more of his insights
Dose of Truth he got the golden guest on this one
I'd like to challenge Dr Peterson on his uncritical acceptance of the supposed "good" that Bloom thought he was doing with the music industry. Promoting "role models" who are dissociative themselves ; promoting mass dissociative experiences as "entertainment"; and promoting a culture of dependency on the mood-altering capacity of (pop) music. This looks to me like a recipe for a cultural disaster and if Bloom really was as influential as he says he was, then I'd say he's one of the ones responsible for the mess the US is in right now, and has a lot to answer for.
Early in the interview, Bloom stated that everyone has a right to the identity of their choosing - isn't that the foundational belief of the Trans activists and their supporters? And Blooms' story about how Alice Cooper adopted the identity of the supposed ghost of a witch and became instantly popular in High School and that was therefore the "real" Vince - as a clinical psychologist, Dr Peterson will know that that is not the description of a psychologically healthy adaptation, that it is in fact, representative of a dissociative state: th-cam.com/video/wQEh9ZaiJqs/w-d-xo.html
Is there anyone else, like me, who would like to see Dr Peterson hold Harold Bloom to account?
No, man. Isn't an openly given signed confession enough for you? Peace.
Anyone else feel like Mr. Bloom is a used car salesman trying to sell you a lemon.
Skywalker1138 I noticed JP redirecting the conversation a few times lol
Yes, that's also the ONLY thing I noticed in the whole interview.. (being sarcastic)
Never met a used car salesman who knew so much
Catching up with Jordy. Absolutely not a fan of Bloom. Deep roots. Do not Enter. But I will say, points are valid.
hahahahahaha.
How nice is for Peterson to give Bloom the enormous attention and guidance he desperately needed. A fascinating guy. His insights into music were spot on.
I could happily listened to these two talk for ever
Thank You Thank You for sharing this conversation. I sit here a mote of dust in the presence of celestial minds. The ideas and stories contained here brought tears to my eyes when it ended because it ended to fast. Jordan please share more of your conversations. Thank You both very much.
its an honor everytime
I think you are kind to say so, thought. This big gay Jew dude is commenting on just about everyone who likes Peterson and coming to this video merely to disparage Peterson and those who like him. It's very pathetic really, to go to a place that features something he doesn't enjoy just so he can try (and fail) to knock others down. So, thought, don't let disgusting trolls like him get you down. He doesn't even understand what "endeavor" means. Lol. I've found that the most toxic and hateful people usually hate themselves, but it's easier for them to find someone else to hate. I often put them on ignore as soon as they reveal themselves. I really admire Jordan Peterson and his content is thought provoking every time. Can't wait to get his book coming in January.
What a BRILLIANT conversation! I love this idea of religious experience being found through music, drama, and so forth. And I love the way Bloom articulates all of this. I have yet to give myself completely over to an archetype. I've always resisted out of fear of going insane I guess. I have a friend who is just starting to discover/create an archetype within him that he is going to dramatize through art. I feel inspired and scared as I want to find my own.
I don't want this to sound like a personal attack. Bloom's ideas seem Satanic to me. I don't think that he is consciously or intentionally so.
Bloom clearly understands that music is attractive to us because it presents a call to the divine. He notes that people want to feel a part of something bigger than themselves. I agree.
Bloom rejects the possibility of the divine, but uses his knowledge of the attractiveness of music, from inside the music industry, to give a generation its "voice." His examples are . . . Joan Jett and Prince. I Love Rock and Roll and Darling Nikki. With the non-standard spelling to give a hint of XX, just in case you didn't get the point. Which is pretty hard to miss, in a song about a girl that Prince met masturbating in a hotel lobby. I mean, the girl was masturbating, not Prince. I think.
I find it interesting that I still like the music of my youth, though I now find the lyrics frequently immoral and reprehensible. I've become old enough that I disapprove of my own music. It's a strange place to be.
My inclination is to respond: That was my generation that you twisted, Mr. Bloom. It was probably Dr. Peterson's generation, too, as I'm only 5 years his junior. You took the capacity of music to point us to God and to a divine brotherhood of man, and you took our thirst for those thing, and pointed us at sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll.
The really dreadful part is that I don't get the impression that Bloom did this in order to make a buck. I get the impression that he thought, and still thinks, that warping divinity into sexual promiscuity and hedonism is a good thing. He even calls it "secular salvation" to briefly distract us from the depression and despair inherent in nihilism.
Consider the possibility that rejection of God leads, inevitably, to a very dark place.
Really you don't think it's intentional? He wrote a book called the Lucifer principle where he suggest everything is done for selfish motives (100% not true). The man is sociopath and pathological liar.
Arizona Patriot “I’ve become old enough that I disapprove of my own music. It’s a strange place to be. “
That, and what you said leading into that is exactly how I feel, and it is indeed a very strange place to be.
I concur with the other observations and points you made in your reply as well.
Both of the men in the interview are pretty obsessed Christians. Even though Bloom is Jewish, he doesn’t claim to be a Jew.
As I get older I realize that a deep religious conviction is the only thing that’s going to save mankind. It’s a paradox that the same conviction leads to wars, but the alternative is worse-- a form of nihilistic destruction by a 1000 small cuts, or actions.
Religion is what we do, and it’s also what we will never do. Humanity needs to know what it will never do or else it will self-destruct.
Jordan, this is your most amazing interviewee yet. Thank you for introducing him to us.
This guy has to be a Rick and Morty fan
Hinotori To be fair. . .
He mentioned I another interview a couple years back that Dr. Venture from The Venture Bros. Was based on him
Hinotori This guy is Rick and morty
Nicole Gallien Lmao that's crazy
There are some people who are so smart, efficient, so worldly and so hard working that you can't even believe it. This is one of those people.
Fact checked all that Alice Cooper stuff... Jordan was right that his father was a preacher, and that ouija board story is an urban legend. Makes me question everything else this guy said.
GaijinGameNetwork exactly, the whole alice part was totally wrong. I know almost everything about alice and you only need to watch the movie super duper alice cooper there is the whole story told by the man himself
Thanks for the info. Im quite skeptical about this guy. I think this guy is a intelligent conman and mentalist who succeed before internet age. Im an atheist also but I think this guy is really just using the word atheist and think he is a god or want to be one. So much bs.
Good to know. Thank you!
that's one impressive character! Thank you Jordan for this video. Greetings from Croatia!
I think I saw a movie about this guy's life called Big Fish.
That's the best compliment I've ever heard, "If you didn't exist It'd be hard to invent you" - Jordan Peterson.
I find this man exceptionally painful to listen to.
I search my memories for someone I would rather listen to even less and only my mother comes to mind.
Wow, that's the first person I've heard talk to Jordan on the same level as him. The subject matter was hypnotic and I hope to hear many more discussion between these two.
That was insanely inspiring! Best interview so far, hands down.
Thank you Dr. Peterson for everything! It is truely truely much appreciated!
The dude seems to be extremly fully of himself
Thought the same thing
If I end up doing a fraction of the things he has done I would probably act like I know something too.
People that have deep seeded negative self image, often go out of their way to appear _"worthy."_
=Tomolin I feel, as an expert in his field, he's probably got a lot to say about music, particularly popular rock music. I enjoyed the interview, and I feel it has a lot to say to people like myself, who, while not sharing Dr. Peterson's view of Christianity, enjoy his content. Mr. Bloom, who has been a part of something I enjoy very much, has a lot to say about what I enjoy. In a very true sense, YMMV.
Comon Michael Jackson would sell no matter who was marketing person
Fascinating personality. Wish there was more of this conversation; I could listen all day.
You are an amazing person, best wishes for all your future projects
13 minutes in and I'm getting really tired of hearing this guy brag... I usually don't mind, but this guy is next level. I'm still waiting to hear something of value or a meaningful conversation.
I get the feeling he has something very profound to say, but his verbosity and self perpetuating curriculum vitae gets in the way.
Please do a part 2! This was awesome
Dr Peterson, I did not think you could out-do your interview with Camille Paglia but I suspect that this interview with Howard Bloom may just do so. I am settled in for a good listen. Thank you for bringing the excellent guests.
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What a treat to listen to these interesting people converse. Thank you for posting.
You should interview more. This was amazing.
What have I done to deserve these gifts from the universe... from the world... from Mr. Jordan Peterson... Discovering the world in this way - its SO great! I finally have the books that interest me! I finally feel closer to the meaning. Thank you, Jordan, you are a very generous and grateful person! I wish one day, I could repay your kindness to the people around me!
I was anticipating a really interesting discussion involving the primacy of aesthetic in Literature (and how post-modern theory attempts to subvert aesthetic with ideology), but then realized about 3 minutes in that this was the wrong Bloom. I did however persist for 30 minutes with this video, but too many things this guy said didn't pass fact checking.
Please consider inviting Harold Bloom for a discussion!
have to agree
I was so excited when I glanced at the title and thought this was Harold Bloom
I think this dude is really just a pathological liar. 350 pushups?
on joe rogan, he said clearly "700 a day"
@@truedarknessify And if you go watch the video of him doing the "pushups", you'll see how much of a liar he actually is. It's hilarious
I was once an outcast around the Buffalo area too. I moved over a decade ago and have found a great deal of peace, while those back home are still cynical, jaded, gossipy, and happy to remain that way.
10 minutes in and im going to start jumping around because this guy is super self obsessed.. a little bit of humility would make him tolerable
Marc E Marc I know, right? How dare someone talk about themselves after their interviewer asked them to talk about themselves.
Get over your own insecurity lol
Alot of people here in the comments seems to be brimming with insecurities. For god's sake, he isnt bragging as much as he's simply telling his point of view
He hadn't grown up with humility. He'd never seen humility before. He didn't even know what humility was.
no insecurities here, this guy would give Kanye a run for his money. out of the 50+ hours of content I have watched on Peterson's page, this is the only video I have ever stopped watching.. and it was because of the guest
Thanks. So I'm not the only one finding his egocentrism a little over the top
_"If you didn't exist, it would be hard to invent you!"_ - one of the greatest compliments I've heard in my life.
600 push ups at age 74?? I don't know....
fantastic podcast setting the bar high for other longform back' n forth's. Enjoyed it very much thank you.
everything he said about Alice Cooper was completely wrong
So i don't believe anything the guy says
And it's not even that hard, you can google this stuff or watch the movie Super Duper Alice Cooper
Alice himself talks about his story
least favorite interview thus far. this guy is self infatuated beyond belief. I could only last 3 minutes
Lightweight.
And its totally wrong about alice cooper
I barely lasted 2 minutes. His pomposity and over the top ego bored my brain silly. I mean he is speaking with Jordan Peterson and he is acting like a used car salesman promoting his products. Shouldn't a guy his age have reached a level of wisdom and be more mature, more confident in his life's work without sounding desperate to push products?
Woah man, these two people..... Woah! Holy smoke is rising from my screen right now from enlightenment through this video... Thank you guys! Howard Bloom is stellar
Is this the Howard Bloom that wrote the Lucifer principle? If so I found that book to be very influential when I was a teenager, I've since grown out of a lot of those ideas but nevertheless it was a good book.
Jordan I'm very pleased to know of your passion for rock n roll...as a consummate frontman..this is how my relationship with my audience is for me...I'm up here because your down there and visa versa..communitive. My job is to invoke emotion..you paid for it and it's always my job to deliver....My favorite title I ever wrote is
"I KILLED ROCK & ROLL"
I hope you can hear it one day ! Sincerely Kevin Barry Lynch.
Bloom is such an egotist. I'm 8 mins in and I'm bored
I have no idea why but I'm instantly wary of people like him.
Beppe it's the super high verbal IQ, and the focus on himself. It sets off my little warning system too.
He talks about how he plays at God, because that is all he has, being a troll of a human.
Maybe because he lies incessantly. Check the story about Alice Cooper, it was all false.
What a stark contrast between his ego and Jordan's innate humility. I'm hearing Bette Midler from "Beaches" -- "Well, enough about me. What do you think of me?" I'll listen to anything with Jordan P but I'm not sure I'll make it through this one.
I was so happy to see these 2 icons together in one interview. I've read Lucifer's Principle, Global Brain, and Genius of the Beast. I highly recommend them all. Lucifer's is an easy read and really a good warm-up to the other 2, so start with that one.
Thanks for sharing and please do more!
*I’ll sum up Bloom for you in a single exchange*
Bloom: That’s strange because you’re about ten years younger than I am, maybe even more younger than I am.
Peterson: How old are you?
Bloom: Well, I’m 74.
Peterson: Kay, so I’m 55.
Bloom: Well okay that’s a big difference...but I did 350 push ups this morning, and I was very disappointed because last week I did 600, so...
James Perez Nailed it dude. All this tangential rambling and boasting is the product of Bloom's insecurity, and his intelligence is a perverse result of overcompensating for his perceived shortcomings. I found it disrespectful to be taking a dig at Peterson that way. Bloom seems to be the guy that will say or do anything to validate his worth rather than declare his imperfections and allow vulnerability to come through. He may be smart, but genius without humility is an affront to humanity rather than a blessing towards it.
Genius without humility is an affront to perhaps your sensibility regarding what constitutes dignified or graceful social comportment, but who cares? If it's the type of genius capable of powerfully affecting humanity for the good with its insights and conceptualizations, an "aw shucks, I'm no better than anybody else" self effacing type of personality attached might hinder or even kill outright any effort aimed towards practical manifestation of ideas that result from said genius.
He is a bit of a blowhard, but a lot of what people are calling bragging is just him familiarizing the audience (he was invited on as a guest to talk about his life after all, what the fuck else are people expecting him to do?), with what he's done, and if it's true, well, then it ain't just bragging if it's an honest recounting of an extraordinarily productive life (which itself can feel threatening to people who's main contribution to humanity is vitriol and snark on internet comment threads). He is brilliant though, and has some profound insights that people would be well advised to marinate on. Far from being a self absorbed narcissist, he's keenly observant of what makes other people tick, and is startlingly insightful about their behavior, especially in group dynamics.He does have some glaring blind spots and is head scratchingly dismissive of some ideas that a truly intellectually honest analysis would dictate a more agnostic attitude IMO (the JRE podcast was able to flesh out things in more detail on some topics).
I don't begrudge him overcompensating for being a social pariah when he was young, and later suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome that was so debilitating that he essentially couldn't get out of bed for FIFTEEN YEARS. On the JRE podcast he said he basically had to rebuild his personality from scratch. I had to rebuild my own psychological edifice in my younger adult years as I crawled out of a personal hell I'd created for myself that was partially the culmination of unresolved early childhood trauma that demanded resolution and wouldn't take no (or my avoidance tactics) for an answer any longer. If he wants to recite his accomplishments like he's chanting a mantra to help him get through the day, well more power to him, God bless his atheist ass. Most important to me is that he appears to be coming from a very genuine and heartfelt place.
Dr. Peterson, this interview was FASCINATING! After listening to his description of some of the brilliant poetry of rock lyrics of his era, I'd love to hear his take on modern music. At first I thought maybe it was just me not understanding a younger generation, artists like Post Malone make me want to blow my brains out.
For a minute I thought it was Closing of the American Mind's Bloom
He's dead. I always think of Harold Bloom when I see Howard pop-up.
Allan's dead, Harold isn't.
I was OK with that, I mixed him up with Harold, Camille's adviser.
I always get the Howard, Harold, and Alan Blooms mixed up.
Yeah at first i as surprised that Harold had a second career in science. Then I thought it was weird that he hadn't mentioned literature yet. Then I realized i had the wrong Bloom.
(not to self- game show: Who's that Bloom? - witless youtube viewers must hear a quotation from one of the Blooms and determine which Bloom said that. Winner gets the bibliography of a random Bloom)
I think it was Confucius who said. "There are three ways by which we find wisdom... By reflection, which is the noblest... By example, which is the easiest... And by experience, which is the bitterest."
Hopefully the reflective wisdom shared by Dr Peterson reaches exponentially more people so perhaps it will help modern society avoid much of the bitterness heading our way.
This guy gives me a vague impression of being the 'unreliable witness'. 350 push-ups in a day? The second law of Thermodynamics is wrong? I'm not saying he's lying, but I don't know how solid he is.
Very entertaining interview and I found Bloom to be an interesting and deep individual who conveyed his passions for the art he worked in clearly. To me the conversation took an interesting spiritual turn somewhere after the 50:00 minute mark. As an atheist my perspective is best summed up in Voltaire's words "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." and Bloom's self quote is very much along this same vein. Humans, through religion, wish to ascribe their own actions to bigger angels and demons without giving themselves credit (an act of humility) or blame (an act of irresponsibility) in the reality of the moment in my opinion. I'd love to hear more on Bloom's take in regards to Billy Joel's music and how the depth of empathy in one's art can often be correlated with the misery the artist is experiencing. Thank you for the free content and I was deeply immersed by the conversation.
Howard the Humongous.. Christ, I had really hoped to have heard the last of this blabbermouth years ago..
I had never heard of Michael Bloom before today, but what a fascinating person! Really enjoyed this discussion, Dr Peterson!
Does he ever stop bragging?
I’m only here watching the video because of seeing him accidentally on Joe Rogan. He was basically speaking as a climate denier, and I had no idea at all that he was the editor-in-chief of circus magazine back in the day!
I’m just happy to realize that he’s not gay. Now I can have a hero.
This wasn't music, but listening to these two, my eyes dilated and my face melted a little.
Dr. Peterson! This is like Fetish Porn for Intellectuals! Well done!
Please continue to elevate our dialog! God bless you Sir!
Edward Landmichi You are typical of Peterson's cult members. Absolutely cringe-inducing.
Jordan Peterson experiences with Howard Bloom what the rest of us experience with him... DRINKING FROM THE FIREHOSE! Thank you for highlighting the life and philosophy of the great man, Dr. P.
Peterson now knows what it feels like for a normal person to talk to him.
Cody Fuqua equivalent IQs, you're saying. The only person smarter than these two is Leo Strauss. Leo "Rome burns" Strauss. You can find his three waves of modernity online
on point! and you made me laugh ;))
👍🏻👍🏻
Howard Bloom is wonderful. I noticed you followed him on twitter a while ago. Thank you for the conversation.
Jung was a genius.
Freud was halve psycho-babble.
Spock was an idiot.
My grandmother who raised 15 children was the master.
Dr. Peterson, thank you for this interview!
Yes we have divinity, but that's because we were created that way. In the image of God. I have not, nor plan on reading his book, the Lucifer principle. But that's it in a nutshell. "There is no god, I am god". or "I will not worship god, I will become god". We are the creation of the Creator. The creation can not become God, nor should it seek to. We are most blessed when we humble ourselves before the Lord. Damnation is guaranteed when we seek to sit on the Almighty throne. He spoke a lot of the soul and shamanism. Well we live in a spiritual universe made up of angels and demons. I'm convinced his influence is from the later. The Creator and the fallen. Lucifer was cast out due to his pride. In this lifetime we choose our master. God granted us an incredible and terrifying power. The power to choose. Choose wisely my friends. God Bless.
Thank you Dr. Peterson. Good choice in Interviewee, good questions/hosting. That was a fella I knew nothing about and could listen to him for hours. I was sad when you had to cut it short.
Oh Jesus, what a combination of talkers haha
I think this is the best podcast on the internet that I have ever witnessed. Looking forward for the next one.
Erm you know there's people who always need to be the most "extreme" at everything? Can't stop getting the feeling this guy (Bloom not Peterson) is like that. I'm not trying to take away from his intellect and knowledge-base btw. A lot of the conversation was quite interesting
Tom Meakin I thought I wrote this and forgot lol
He is interesting to listen to, but he is a man of many half truths. lol
Listening to this video now for the 4th time in 4 days :P it takes a lot to absorb this freaking GOLDMINE of information!!!! Thank you thank you thank you!
*Dr Peterson,is it realistic to expect some who have developed neurologically past their late teens inside a strict authoritarian Islamic reality tunnel, to then in the west locate a sufficient number of fixed cultural meta points to operate around without experiencing uncertainty, anxiety and a strong desire to alter the territory to match their (fixed) neurological map?*
I gotta chime in on this. This is such an interesting question that nobody wants to address in either psychology, sociology, or politics.
The monks sit in the cave and judge westerners in their cities.
The rich sit in their mansion and judge the poor.
Each of ignoring the effects of their own environment on them.
Environment is important. It is also your duty to put yourself in an environment that grants you peak mental health to readdress the possibilities of your own existence.
Sometimes you can’t save your home unless you leave it first my friend.
Which is to say, your inner reality is not the only important one and rather philosophy or spirituality it is mental masturbation to ignore the external reality that effects your existence.
Yet, to be wholistic, it is not either or.
The study of the synapsis between nature and nurture is the true aim.
You are right to question the one sidedness of treating each person neurologically scared by their own environment like fallen angels from gods kingdom.
This is why we wrestled with god. What kind of person would leave us all here with these chimpanzees to rot away.
But if you ask for gods mercy you are only projecting the need for your own mercy on yourself.
Denying the kindness and acceptance of your own trials and tribulations in life.
and Externalizing the shame you have into the world.
What you’re really asking is “Jordan, how can this religious view be wholistic if it does not grant gods mercy on everything it touches?”
My question, would be what you have to gain for having the amount of mercy on yourself that god would have on you if he did have mercy on you.
Forgive yourself the way you want to be forgiven.
Your intellect is your tool not your master. Your yearning for self forgiveness is irrational and illogical yet pure, human, and accepted.
Peak analysis; that question felt too me like projection of a lack of self forgiveness I’ve experienced feeling like I had the weight of the world on me as a kid in an environment that was built for me and my siblings to be unsuccessful and die.
Have mercy on yourself my friend or don’t ask god for his mercy.
Been watching Howard bloom for years, and was hoping for this interview to happen, thank you Jordan.
It is a common misconception God rest the whole seventh day because that evening he created the most succesful pr company in the world ever.
Been a bloom fan since I was 11 years old!! Apparently you have known him from before I did. This was a real surprise and a treat. Keep up the good work Jordan.
I really tried giving it a chance, scrolled through the irritating self-adulating introduction, looking for some meaty discussion, original thought, etc. But all I heard is more self-promotion and some rather stale ideas.
I really had to try to stick with it. But I am glad I did. Try to figure out why thus is so important and why it is even being articulated.
Howard Bloom is not bragging. He's having an out-of-body experience, looking down at himself from the ceiling. :-) He claps and approves of all JBP's high points. That's a good man.
Please relate to Mr. Bloom how thankful I (and those who enjoy your content) how grateful we are that he spoke to you. Mr. Bloom seems to have captured succintly what music really is, and he has shared his insight very well with us. I have enjoyed his anecdotes, as well as your analysis of his anecdotes. This discussion between you and him is easily your best video.
Talking about music is no more relevant than the reading of a recipe card can impart the flavor, texture and sensation of eating food. "Dancing about Architecture"
I don't get how some people get so bitter and envious at this guy, calling him self centered and pompous. Actually he seems quite a kind person and he is clearly a case of eccentric genius. I don't understand why people just don't appreciate human diversity when the person in question is smarter than them. Try to produce and achieve all the things this dude has done and let's see if you won't be a little self absorbed and superb. I know this guy is quite brilliant, definitely more brilliant than me, and I appreciate him also for that! He tells good stories and speaks of interesting ideas and I'm willing to let him have a bit of superbia to listen to him.
this guy is so full of himself it sickens me. Alice Cooper's father WAS a preacher BTW. Half the stuff he said is probable just made up
Every part of the Alice Cooper story was false. Bloom claims to have made his own computer when he was 12, that was in 1955, simply not possible. I doubt anything he said was true at least not entirely. His rambling is a tactic to confuse the listener so they don't realize he is making things up. Notice that he never mentioned a "Heavy Metal" band he liked. Jordan caught him in a lie but he danced around it.
The alice cooper part was completely false. He was never beat up he never did his stage persona in high school at the talent show he did a beatle parody with his friends the whole alice part came later and his dad WAS a preacher.
Bloom found a way to separate every person from their divinity and placed it in the hands of a few. A master magician. The next generations need to be taught to steel themselves against the trickster for if they don't their souls will be snatched away by the likes of Bloom. He can see the flicker of light in others and he blows it out so we walk in darkness seeking the warmth of his creation. We turn away from those closest to us, especially when we are young, too immature to know what is happening. He feeds off of the souls of the artists he "mentors", saying this quite clearly in his own words. "If you want to be the trellis that others grow on..." holy cow... that is the scariest thing I have ever heard.
Scary interview....he takes great pleasure in having discovered how to do this. The West is suffering from the interference of men like Bloom...I don't know if there is ill intent on his part... that is irrelevant, what is important to explore is how we protect the souls of our young so they don't so willingly give away the very essence and purpose of their own reason to be for a 3 minute song by Elton john.