Women, Porn, and Sadists | Dr. Del Paulhus | EP 327
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ค. 2024
- Ep. 327
Dr Jordan B Peterson and Dr. Del Paulhus delve deep into the Dark Tetrad: Machiavellianism, Narcissism, Psychopathy, and the newly added Sadism. From these four traits, researchers can quantify much of the darkness of humanity, and begin to study it in a way that yields numerical results, and the potential to make substantial predictions.
Dr. Delroy Paulhus is a personality researcher whose work in dark personality traits, via a variety of psychometric methods, has yielded measures of the Dark Tetrad. His work has also validated measures of socially desirable responding, perceived control, free will and determinism, and over-claiming. His work has been published in over 150 articles and books, and his current citation count exceeds 43,000.
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:02) Intro
(2:50) The big five: where the adjectives come from
(4:35) What lead Dr. Paulhus to the dark side of psychology
(8:30) Construct creep
(10:00) Machiavellianism
(11:00) Narcissism and Psychopathy
(12:10) Why these terms are exclusive categories
(14:30) From Triad to Tetrad: the addition of Sadism
(19:11) Why human beings are sadistic and predatory
(25:00) How dark traits are used to attract sexual partners
(27:00) Hiring people to fire people
(29:00) When empathy fails you
(31:50) Women and pornography
(34:48) Clinical vs. everyday psychology
(37:40) Virtualization enables darkness
(39:00) Why sex evolved
(41:20) Trolls just want to have fun
(44:20) No one will watch a moderate news channel
(45:23) The profit motive behind impulsive attention
(46:50) Anonymity may indicate what people are truly like
(48:30) Andy Ngo, Antifa, extreme niches
(54:19) Steve Jobs, when the narcissist is right
(56:55) Lumpers and splitters
(1:01:00) Rats, play and social negotiation over time
(1:05:23) Frans de Waal, leadership in primates
(1:07:20) Machiavellian mimicry
(1:10:00) Radical evil, amplified suffering
(1:13:15) Female sadists
(1:17:00) The cost of affiliation
(1:20:05) The Hexaco Model, honesty, and humility
(1:24:25) When you encounter someone with Dark Tetrad traits
(1:27:00) You can predict entrepreneurial competence
(1:31:12) Dimensions of disorders
(1:34:00) Crunching bugs and voodoo dolls
(1:38:30) Why study human darkness?
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I met Dr Peterson on the street in Louisville before one of his speaking events. I was starstruck and stuttering and barely able to put a sentence together but my god, I was blown away with how nice and completely attentive he was to me in those brief moments. The attention he paid to me was like I was the most important person on earth just for a couple minutes. A wonderful human being.
Mr. Peterson I want to express my gratitude and appreciation for the person you are and for continuously shining bright even in the face of adversity. You are a true humanitarian. You are loyal to your purpose in this life with passion, A seeker of knowledge and truth. You stand with integrity and humility while you keeping yourself in check. You are an empathetic, compassionate, and sensitive man not afraid to show your true emotions. I heard your wife tell the story of the two of you from childhood to your marriage. I listen to dozens of your daughter's podcasts. The Peterson's our family rich in the most important thing in life. . . LOVE . . . And have the willingness to share that LOVE with the world. I am looking forward to viewing the EXODUS. I am declaring abundant success for you, your group in Europe and the 2,000 individuals in your mission of intent towards a collective consciousness WORLD OF PEACE. You are an asset to the world. Thank you for being you. May you and yours have LOVE, LIGHT, and LAUGHTER Forever After.
With Unconditional Love, Respect, Gratitude, and Sincerity,
Michele, Divine Intervention Vessel
"I AM" to His/Her children, "In the presence of LOVE Miracles happen!"
Thats the virtue/vice of the INTP apathy vs attentiveness.
So nice to hear that. He clearly strikes me of being a caring individual.
I'm soooooo jealous. I hope share your serendipity in the near future. Cheers
LOL.... Thanks for exposing yourself trash... and Nah JP is common garbage same as most sadly
Jordan, thank you. I cleaned up my house, and kept it clean, and slowed my alcohol down to almost nothing. Got my kids signed up for sports. Got a Job that i enjoy and make good money. Been on time. Life is good man. Its also a stuggle but im the most happy ive ever been as an adult. Really putting my life together.
Everyone needs some adjustment...
I find coming home to a tidy 🏡, keeps my mind clear...
Good job dude. Don't forget to have some extra food and clean water on hand for the coming economic collapse.
❤️ 🤗
Good for you God bless you and your family
@@pradipamahadeva8051 Cool, many people don’t know that the Zen garden is based in allowing the mind (if not blind) to be at peace and my body, house, yard and truck being clean and orderly slows down my ADAD significantly.
Thanks to Jordan Peterson. I have stopped drinking, started deep thinking, started parenting better, i eat better. I am no longer addicted to porn. An my temperment has evolved like no other. I had anger issues since i was a kid. Im in my 30s now and finally am becoming a man.
I am happy for you!!!
Hold yourself with honor. Confront your soul, find your spirituality, it will become the journey of your life.
That’s awesome. Keep it up
🔑's to the Kingdom = Acts 2:38🕊
Dr. Peterson thank you for everything. I am 23 Iraqi person who happened to watch random video of you and kept watching for quite a year and I’ve read your books my life literally changed upside down for the best. I quite smoking and porn and I am about be a doctor. Frankly you are the father that I wish I had. I would be happy to see Arabic subtitles on your videos cuz you make such good influence on middle eastern people.
Thank you for being who you are may your presence bring to all you meet joy
Good on you brother
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You’re awesome dude!
Yeah I call bullshit lmao u became a doctor after watching this? This video just came out recently. To be a Doctor u have to study for years...yeah you're bullshit obviously a bot comment idk why this is. Get a life😊
I'd strongly advise anyone who has the means, to travel if nessecery to attend his lecture on "Beyond order." I had the pleasure of hearing him speak in Dublin and had a wonderful opportunity to chat with him briefly at a meet and greet afterwards. He encouraged my 16 year old son tremendously with his wisdom, kindness, and his gentle fatherly approach. He left a bullied and deflated teenager with the words "Keep aiming upward kid."
My son hasn't looked down since.
Thank you Dr Peterson for your presence in the world and the value you have added to it.
Read the part about your son and it heavily resonated with me. I got a tear in my eye
My Lady and I just purchased VIP tickets so that we could meet him this May in Abbotsford BC. We are really looking forward to this
Every time he tours I tried to get tickets, but ticketmaster sucks , they turned full on fascist with requirement for a smart phone app with location tracking, contact tracing, proof of vaccination , the whole works. I contacted JBP's team about it multiple times but they don't even respond. Sorely disappointed. I supported JBP with monthly contributions for the last 5 years and now pulled my support.
He truly is an AMAZING human being! His mind is SO BRILLIANT, if not for his completely down to earth & humble nature, I'd be extremely intimidated. I don't know if an intellect greater than his, yet he never comes off as being better than you, smug, or grandiose. He truly has a Huge heart of Gold!!!
That's great. I hope your son is still on the up & up
Yeah, my mother is a sadistic narcissist with psychopathic tendencies. She is fascinating to study, but I can't have her in my life. I used to be waaaay too empathetic and I'd get tricked by narcissists pretending to be victims. Now I refuse to feel compassion for people who lack it and people who gaslight. Empathy can put you in dangerous situations. I am lucky to be alive.
true
Thank you so much.
I called her psycho bitch.. it seems I'm not alone
That's for sure. Especially a parent that plays games with their child/children.
You may be right. You may be wrong.
laughed so hard when he corrected "pilot" to "werewolf". as a woman who grew up reading pornography written by women for women (fanfiction online) this is true. women prefer to read porn, whereas men prefer to watch it. the plot is incredibly important for women in pornography.
me too! ha ha ha. I wouldn't read them, but I guess whatever floats one's boat. Reading, writing, or watching p0rn degrades us as humans. I did it when I was a rebellious 13 year old, but stopped when I realized real people who want to be good human beings don't do those things.
I think “the story” is also extremely important concept for men to grasp when interacting with women. The steps men take to go from a to b with small things socially gives context of their reasoning- which will potentially send red flags to women and interpreting that correctly is more useful than blaming women for the reaction if not understood immediately.
@@ttierced3613 I'm intrigued by your comment re. understanding & not understanding "the story," and how that affects interactions , but I don't fully understand what you mean. Could you elaborate or give hypothetical examples?
Not all women watch porn
I don’t
And I don’t have this fantasy about it either…
I rather have one man for me
That’s it
@@Chris777. Me too . I'm the same
Dear Mr. Peterson, I have to say that I am always proud to say that I have been following you since your students started to upload videos of your lectures at the university.
Your teachings have helped me to improve my critical thinking, to be more kind to myself, my two children, my husband and all the people I have to relate to.
You have help me to understand more why we humans behave in certain ways, etc. I’m still learning of course.
You are like a father to me. (I never had one though)
I wish I could give you a hug. God bless you 🙏🏼
Because of the reward system the individual have acquired
This is beautiful, Monica. I don't know if Dr. Peterson read this, but I'm sure it's these kind of testimonies the ones that keep him fighting his fights against the darkness. Keep cultivating the light of your heart! May you always be blessed and protected 🙌♥️🙏
Dr. Peterson
@@gabrielorozco3768of course, that was all you could take from the original post
Jordan, I suppose I'm one of the few women who have been with you from the beginning. You have helped so many men sort out their lives, including my 31 year old son. Please allow me to thank you for not only helping my son but for helping me as well. I was able to withstand, with courage, my mother's brain cancer diagnosis and subsequent death in 2017-2018. You have greatly enriched my life in more ways than I am able to put into words. I am forever grateful. Thank you, Sir.
This is what I live for, despite fame and glory, he truly is an amazing person off the camera and. The crowds are gone ❤❤
Since the beginning?
Hello Jordan B. Peterson. Still shilling for fossil fuel industry?
@@garysarela4431 Are you a shill for renewables?
@@garysarela4431 Who do you think gets the largest subsidies for renewable energy?? The largest energy companies, that is, the fossil fuel industry! It does not matter how you vote for, they lobby to steal from your taxes either way.
With that out of the way, would you like to debate anything put forward by Peterson or his guests regarding energy, climate, and public policy, or would you rather keep it simple and stay angry? The latter is simpler, I know. Xx.
I dumped over 500 magazines (about 200 pounds of porn) that I inherited from a family member. Was one of the best decisions of my life. A clear conscience is the SOFTEST PILLOW. Now a goodly woman knows she can trust me more and the best part is that I have built more confidence within myself! This is every man's battle!
Way to go!! Never look back, brother!
Man's life is soooo different from woman's...
What did you do with them?
Why is the video version FREE here!? (with ads no less), BUT I pay for the DW App/DW Membership, and all they have is the audio version??? 🤷🏻♂️
Am I mistaken? Can someone help me out? Appreciate it! 🙌🏼😀
@@pears0094 they cut out the last half hour of interviews on TH-cam that are exclusive to DW subscribers
My wife and I just had the great pleasure of seeing Dr. Peterson speak this last Tuesday and, just being in the presence of him was absolutely incredible. Yes I’m bragging! Such an incredible man. His wife opened, and they spoke together at the end, and it was such an intimate setting. Beautiful experience.
you are insanely lucky
0:00: 🔍 Dr. Dale Paulus discusses the dark Triad and the challenges of studying the Dark Side of traits.
11:15: 🔍 Psychopaths are low in agreeableness and conscientiousness, and have a tendency to exploit and live off others. Sadism is present in regular people and is seen in violent sports, video games, and television programs.
21:25: 🔑 The discussion explores the potential biological and ethical differences between individuals who take pleasure in aggression and those who do not.
30:34: :speech_balloon: The discussion explores the relationship between empathy, agreeableness, and neuroticism, and how they can impact various professions and relationships.
40:03: 🌐 Virtualization enables dark tetrad behavior, such as psychopathy and narcissism, online with little to no consequences.
49:37: 📚 The discussion explores the influence of dark tetrad personality traits on people's behavior and the impact they can have in various niches.
58:39: 🧠 The discussion explores the dark side of personality and the importance of distinguishing between different dark traits.
1:08:04: 😬 The discussion explores the concept of reciprocal sociability and the role of alliances in social stability and manipulation.
1:24:04: 💡 The big six personality traits, including honesty-humility, subsume the dark traits that have been studied by Peterson.
1:28:08: 💡 The speaker discusses the practical application of measuring dark tetrad traits and their potential link to personality disorders.
1:37:38: 🔍 Dr. Dale Paulus discusses his research on the dark side of human behavior, including studies on bug-killing and voodoo dolls.
1:47:29: 🎙 The interview discusses the development of interest in Psychology and the importance of accurate psychometric evaluation of immoral behavior.
Recap by Tammy AI
It's a shame that probably he will never see my comment but thank you, Dr. Peterson, your work saved my life
I am glad he was able to help you in your journey. Continue to be well.
It's seems you have joined a group of tens of thousands that have been helped by this man's work. It's very uplifting to hear of people like yourself who have turned things around
Can you be more specific about what saved you, or is it a wide range of things?
The world is a better place with you in it, Dr. Peterson ! ❤
Remember fellas. Don't get married. Don't have kids. It's not worth it. Globalmans case proved that.
Jordan has ignored globalmans case.
@@TheManWithNoName6 so what IS worth it?
@@annarocha3254 for men what is worth doing is having a great life. And it is much easier for a man to have a great life by never getting married or having kids.
@@annarocha3254 for example it's great for a man to travel to many different countries. It's great for a man to have great food in many countries. Its good for a man to have "fun" with lots of different f33 mails.
There are so many things that make a great life for a man much better than "wife and kids". Just look how happy bachelors are.
First time I ever heard you speak was 2018 when I was struggling with heroin addiction. You’ve helped me tremendously and I always enjoy listening to you! Almost 2 years clean from all drugs/alcohol
Wow! That’s epic! Praise the Lord that you are alive.
My mother always said, "An unmade bed is an unmade mind. You start and end your day in that bed". My mom was my best friend and advisor. My father was, well, a hard man to get to know.
Thank you Jordan Peterson, from Montreal,Qc. Recently you helped my husband and I reconnect. He works a lot and I'm a homemaker and business woman (painter, fine artist) We both resonate with your advice to make physical and mental efforts to keep challenging ourselves to be decent, humble human beings, loving human beings to one another. I've lost a lot during this coup (government lockdowns) so I'm climbing back up. I let go of my career in policing due to mandates and unconstitutional actions but, on the contrary, this suffering and loss has also brought on a new sense of responsibility within my community and more importantly: within the home front for my 2 boys. I'm on my journey at reconnecting with God and pursuing a deeper understanding of the Bible.
:)
Awesomeness!!
Massive props for quitting your job. That shows morals and backbone.
Best of luck in your future endeavours ❤️
To be decent, humble human beings ... yes that's it!
dark.
that :) though
Thank you Dr Peterson. I have learned so much about myself each time I watch you. I come from a very confusing, controlling, violent, alcoholic childhood. While I left home at 15 & have had a successful life, well educated, raised beautiful responsible Christian children, I have often been haunted by my childhood. I spent my entire life trying to get my father to say a few nice words to me. “I love you or I’m proud of you”. I worked hard & was an Executive at the top of my field in both a non profit & corporate. But never once did he accept me. If fact, a few months before he died I asked him if he ever loved me. His answer was “yes, but….” I got up from my chair & told him there was no “but” in love. I did not see him again until he was hours from death. In his will he made sure I knew how much detest he had for me. Yet, I was the only child that was free of drugs, alcohol & had an extremely successful life & raised children that did not end up in jail.
For years I have been in emotional pain over this. Your videos are finally helping me move past this.
Just a note, I did keep my children away from my toxic family & I raised them without violence. They were raised in the church with parental supervision & guidance. I was heavily involved in their lives. A childhood the opposite of mine.
My circumstances of troubled childhood is different but same pattern. 9 kids and I chose to walk away. I have raised my kids into good people although 1 is still battling demons from my lack of knowledge on raising children. Thank God I broke away because my siblings children were abused. My siblings have to register as offenders and are battling addictions. I am now learning what I did not know, thanks to Dr Peterson. I am happy for you that you broke the cycle too
If only you knew that your Creator is your father...Abba father..translated..real father. THROUGH Jesus you are made right with Him. And by the spirit of Adoption you can consider yourself a son of the Most High....and accepted and approved by Him. It's all in Romans in the new testament...not by Your performance but by Jesus...it is a gift. A great movie for uou to watch is "I can only imagine" think it will speak healing into your soul...
Although my father and my mother have abandoned me, Yet the LORD will take me up [adopt me as His child].psalm 27v 10
For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons and daughters by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!”romans8v15
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.romans8v38.39
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, romans8v1
What a sad story, but what a wonderful ending. Your trials must have built you into a person of real strength and character.
@@MichaelDavis-cy4ok strength has a downside. Now I will not allow anyone near me because of being strong enough to protect myself. Although I raised my kids with a church experience, I also have hurt them by those people in the church. I wish it had the best outcome but every experience and every lesson I have encountered has not had a beneficial impact. The consequences of choices are not always pleasant even if it's good for you. The ending doesnt happen until it's over and it's not over yet
"The dark traits of humanity: Machiavellianism, Narcissism, Psychopathy, Sadism." rather than the current title is more accurate. It barely touches on Women or Pornography although an excellent discussion as always with Dr P!!
The biggest source of anxiety and despair today is the amount of content in this channel and not enough time to watch and digest it all. Thank you so much!
I don’t drink. I don’t smoke anything. I have a solid relationship and a good career that I truly enjoy. I stand up for myself as needed and exercise compassion when I can. I am truly grateful for my existence and I don’t take life for granted. I’m going to be married with kids soon and I cannot wait. Thank you Jordan because your videos were the catalyst. Thank you.
Good to have you out there.👍 Spread it around.
@@loliking2763 Happiness is not found in people, your children, your loved ones....why? they will let you down. In each moment we choose love or fear (depression, anxious....what you fret over)
Happiness is not found.....it's an inner peace you have with you, a sense of ease you have with life, not based on career, money.....
When you are at home....in you. A peace of inner state...with you....with nothing missing.
Be in Nature....be with the simplest of life, be it wind, birds, water...trees
Captain...to be married and have a family is your next path in life. Please don't place pressure on others for your personal happiness...we can't expect others to provide our happiness...they have their own happiness to give themselves. We experience life together...help each other. Happiness is the gift you give you. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Good for you man
Sounds like you're competent enough to pass that on to your children, which is everything we could ever hope for.
Dont forget, the hallmark of all narcissists is a lack of boundaries
I think it's more like taking credit when they don't deserve it one the one hand, and deflecting blame when they do deserve it on the other hand.
Highly competent narcissists can get away with this, and through this mechanism others can have an inflated image of them.
WOW unbelievable so true 💯
@@joppe191 well it's all about a sense of entitlement and avoiding pain.
@@tamsintarshish3905 ya, they dont respect boundaries
Dr. Peterson has reawakened so much of myself that I had forgotten in a childhood filled with distractions and temptation. I am familiarizing myself with healthy practices and a fulfilling religious lifestyle. Thank you so much for inspiring and educating so many people in this world, you are reaching a young demographic so keep it up!
I know 3 people that throughout my life I have marveled at their extreme callus and wondered what root traits or disorders caused it. This video clarified the differences very well. I worked directly for the psychopath and watched how effective his methods were at destroying people and achieving his goals. My competence made him look good so we had no issues but I was always aware that a bad day was all it would take for me to come into his focused wrath. I would tell people that mistook his smile for friendship that he had no friends but they would not believe me until it was to late. Later when I no longer could lose my job at his command, he said something about us getting along, and I told him it was because I always understood we were not friends and I was expendable every day he laughed and smiled.
I know a man who worked for a hugely visible man with huge sums of money, his boss needed him as did yours, when my friend wanted to become independent and start his own business doing something entirely different and totally legit the former boss offered to lease space in his facility. Ok sounded good, my friend began to think someone messed with his office and projects at night He installed cameras and for a long time nothing happened, both men had secure areas where they worked. Until one day my friend opened the door to his space and was confronted by the maniac who needed him for another project, my friend declined his former boss did not have the ability to do the work he hired people to do. My friend was verbally abused by the apoplectic he closed the door and went back to work. The next day at work there was an explosion in his office, he could not report the accident as he was too badly injured and burns. Fortunately, his videos have the entire morning on tape until smoke filled his office but video showed what happened when air exchanged and sprinklers cleared the room and showed the old boss reentering the room and using his feel began kicking my unconscious friend around His boss personifies The American Pyscho but in public he has monolithic Public Relations Staff flooding the world with a masked monster behind the charming persona. No one knows what the boss really does.
Terrifying; “… and he laughed and smiled.”
@@kathrynstewart-mcdonald you are very strong because I couldn’t I would be terrified.
@@kathrynstewart-mcdonald Eew!sounds like my step mother😐😐😐
@@annettecabezas6697 Couldn't what? This did not happen to me, it happened to someone I love very much, since that time the former boss has more and darker tricks up his sleeve. He tried to slave a brilliant man locked him up and forced him to work. The man finally got away
Sadism used to be a frequently used concept but then it "disappeared". Now it is coming back. Sadistic personality disorder was considered by the DSM but was dropped. Great discussion!
what a blind story, you can - you can’t, you can’t - you can, the cycle of stupid people in nature
it was? :O
when did you see it?
I had the thought that the concept of "sadistic" exists in our relatively peaceful culture.
Other cultures, in the present, and especially in the past, what we consider abnormal sadism was often the norm.
African tribal chiefs (some) according to Christian missionaries, not only captured, kept, and sold slaves, slaves were used in human sacrifice rituals.
Europeans surely did much of the same at some times, with both violence by leaders and mob violence.
I just learned about Aluu Four.
@@gg_rider We Europeans were the top noch with our Romans gladiadors hahaha.
Internet has trained people up online and then it spills outside in reality.
It is so refreshing to listen to intelligent people who don’t appear to have ulterior motives
Just wanted to say Dr Peterson, I’ve been watching your lecture series (I’m retraining as a Psychotherapist) and they are absolute gold, the stuff on Freud and Jung is some of my favourites! 😀
I thank you all the way from Australia Jordan .
Many years ago I was in a lower socioeconomic class, drug addicted and quite frankly had no hope for any thing bright in my future.
I sit here now employed in my second trade with a nice home and a happy family about to be married in September.
I wanted more tho, your work had driven me to pursue study in community services , predominantly social work with at risk youth . I start study this coming Monday .
I hope to give back through a wealth of life experience.
You are a polarising figure in my life and indeed in social media and I thank you for giving so much of yourself to everyone.
Peterson’s lectures give me life and faith in this sadly crumbling world.
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Ditto
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@Vladimir Andrei does it matter if he did or not? He wasn't talking about this one necessarily 😁
I think seeing the world as crumbling is very pessimistic. Currently there is a fight between sanity and insanity in the world. The best one can do is to reject the depravity and “no self responsibility” mantra that a small minority of people are trying to push, live a good and virtuous life of responsibility and helping others.
The world doesn't have to be crumbling. You can enjoy life without the things going on having an impact on you. The issue is what you're placing your awareness on.
@@GlazerX I think any aware and emphatic person would bring awareness to hungry kids, people who freeze in their home, elderly who gets bad threatment, the government who wants to control you like a tool etc etc...
Thank you both doctors for great discussion!
When they talked about whether certain negative traits can be positive when paired with other traits, I wondered if the different kinds of sadism might be positive when paired with observing fights and also when paired with our instincts towards fairness.
For example, it would be a huge evolutionary advantage for our ancestors to pay close attention to fights between other members of the tribe because of the enormous amount of vital information such observations can give them (who is a strong ally you want to groom and make friends with? who is the enemy of your enemy? is the alpha still effortlessly on top or did he win the last fight by the skin of his teeth, and who is likely to take him down and become the new alpha in the near future? etc.) and since such fights predate our ability to rationalise, it would make sense for us to have evolved a dopamine reward system to make us enjoy watching fights and encourage us to do so again, just as it rewards us for other useful behaviours (eating, having sex etc.)
This would explain the love for violent sports; we're watching two alphas/teams of alphas compete for supremacy and our instincts haven't caught up to the fact that they're doing it for our entertainment rather than because they're going to take over the tribe and have a major impact on our lives. We are also aware that everyone involved in the fight has agreed to it; we can cheer hockey players beating each other up, but if they suddenly started attacking random people in the crowd who were just taking their kids to see the match as spectators we would consider that completely unacceptable.
Also, in terms of fairness, the most satisfying examples of justice (both from fictional stories and from real life) typically involve something unpleasant happening to the villain, ideally proportionate to their crimes; we can cheer and laugh when the mass-murdering monster has a prolonged and humiliating and/or gruesome death, while we would be horrified if it happened to a sympathetic character. Given the importance of the social contract to humans (both today and throughout our evolution,) it again makes sense for us to have a reward system that prompts us to watch and relish something horrible happening to the individual who unforgivably violates the contract. This seems to be true from quite a young age, as kids love fairy stories with a happy ending, but that often involves both a reward for the heroes and suffering for the villains, suggesting that kids can develop a sense of sadistic justice quite early on.
The satisfaction we would take from watching people get hurt in these situations seems very different from the more stereotypically sadistic situation where the pleasure comes from the suffering of a helpless victim, so maybe the term "sadism" is too wide an umbrella? As they say in the video, the theories for why someone might enjoy inflicting pain on someone who is no threat and hasn't wronged them are not exactly self-evident or rock-solid, and things like sexual sadism (where you delight in inflicting suffering on someone who might bear your children, which seems completely evolutionarily counterproductive) may well be a straight-up miswiring rather than a useful instinct. However, in the situations I outlined, the advantage to sadism seems clearer, so maybe the kind of sadism that is "fair" and contingent on a very narrow set of circumstances should have a different label?
thanks for this post
Even in gaol ( jail ) this is all OBVIOUS to me .
Before my career ending accident I was almost always my hockey team’s enforcer. However, I must strongly point out that my reason for taking on that role had very little with the need/want/desire to hurt or dominate others. I fell into that role because of my need to protect my fellow teammates from illegal and purposefully harmful behaviors done upon team.
If you intentionally jabbed your stick into a teammate with the intention to cause pain then I felt the need to say “No. There will be repercussions for such behavior. And you won’t like it”. I never went out to intentionally attack anyone. I was there to let others know that if you try to hurt one of my guys then you’ll be dealing with me. You become known as the one that you don’t want to fight with and that, in turn, greatly reduces the amount of times that force is actually needed to be used.
“To secure peace you must first prepare for war.”
-Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus
Well said! Additionally the fighting results in offsetting penalties. The loss of two players opens up the ice and increases the pace of the game. Putting both sides in a more vulnerable position and refocusing the energy on playing the puck. The days of goon squads on the ice are long gone, at least in the NHL.
Peace through strength! Agree!
I disagree. The game itself needs to change. It’s a game and the world won’t come to a screeching halt if no plays it anymore. I stoped playing almost of these games because it’s not fun or a sporting and got into martial arts. Martial arts is violent and an art form. I don’t consider it a sport; moreover, a way of life and a discipline.
hockey player here as well. I had a similar comment in disagreeing with Dr. Paulhus. In hockey no one wants to see an injury and the fighting has a purpose of protection or releasing tension before people start to injure each other. I have never seen a crowd be more excited for a fight than a goal. and I have never seen anyone seriously injured in a fight. Serious injuries come from bad checks, or cross checks with the stick or even just getting accidently hit with the puck. I mean he sounds like he never actually watched a hockey game.
I can relate but probably in a more dramatic scenario. I think it comes from a position of weakness. Once I realised that it's not just us inmates fighting but the guards attacking us setting us up . I didn't really have a choice.
I was vulnerable as a young woman to these traits in boyfriends. One reason is that I was raised in a pretty sheltered from the world religious cult and I really was innocent of the ways of the world. The other is that my oldest brother exhibited all of these traits and my mother didn't stop him in any way. She made some ineffective attempts before she just began to tune out his behaviour. She kept saying that because he's the oldest, he gets whatever he wants. (Her family had the same dominance hierarchy so she just imported it, I think unconsciously.) So my oldest brother essentially patterned my brain to this behavior. It took YEARS (years!) for me to finally understand the pattern-imprint. Ultimately I thank God for reaching me and leading me into His family. That is no fantasy (for those who would think so); He saved my life, in every respect. He's brought order out of the chaos, and continues to do so. And he completely and utterly healed me after baptism from the once-inexplicable attraction that I felt, like the moth to the flame, to destructive types.
I also wish to thank you for your work, which I appreciate as a very important voice in the world today.
@@Unseen_warfare. You may mean well, can't really tell. But I'm not worried about seeming "crazy". I believe and know that God is real. And I share what I share in the hope it may help someone else who may be going through something similar.
Especially today, these types have moved into all areas of authority in society. People need to stop trusting blindly.
@@tubermind I don't think he was talking about your faith but about you growing up in a cult.
There are a lot of religious people and there is nothing strage about that
@@fran791 Generally speaking that is not bad advice, but I'm truly not worried about the sect or any other religious people. Should I be? I can't see why.
@@tubermind cult are seen negatively by most people because they are associated with people like charles manson and with extremists and illegal practices and abuse. If you search on youtube psychology of cults or videos on cults, you will get what I mean.
Religions on the other hand are completely accepted and considered normal
Excellent podcast about the human personality and studies that have been done on it. Thanks Dr Peterson for bringing new information on the subject.
Wow. Amazing interview and excellent information for further research. Thank you Dr. Peterson, and Dr. Del Paulhus.
It's crazy how many people this person has helped. So many thankful comments.
Thanks for your work Dr Peterson.
Helped them become even stupider as they already were, yes.
@@KyleCox404 Did you have to advertise how miserable you are?
@@KyleCox404go away
@KyleCox404
Well they all seem happier and more content, where as you seem painfully miserable.
A company i interviewed for when i was 21 gave me digital questionnaire to fill, one of the questions was "have your friends done drugs", i answered truthfully yes because some of my friends have done weed, the second i was done and the guy came back to look at the results he told me i'm not hired.
all that taught me is to lie on interviews and that's what i've done since
No good deed goes unpunished.
Absolutely lie on interviews. But after you are hired, don't tell new lies to your colleagues. The lies you told at the interview should be only lies you tell them. If they are harmless, maybe even tell the truth after you have proven yourself.
The way I look at it is I try my hardest never to lie to myself. Sometimes you have to lie about small things that are harmless to anyone but you. The worst thing you can do is lie to yourself or misrepresent who you are or what you want to others. Lying about whether your friends did drugs or not is really not misrepresenting who you are.
Not lying more accurately means always being true to your moral compass. I hope everyone here would have lied to the Nazis if they were harboring Jews in their home during the holocaust.
You should never lie, (it gets difficult to remember what you told to whom) but you are allowed to be the hero of your own story and could be excused for failing to remember some small, insignificant details such as that you suspect some former acquaintances in your past may have tried doing some illegal and unwise things. Because upon discovering the nature of these acquaintance's actions, you severed contact with them, you didn't see the utility in an affirmative answer to the question.
That's because no one likes a snitch LOL
I look up to Jordan so much. I have recently started pursuing my degree of a bachelor in applied behavioral analysis, I plan to go on to get my phd in clinical psych. I’m not sure how much of a difference I can make. But I hope to do something important
Jordan, I can’t thank you enough for putting content on the internet that actually nourishes my brain. I’ve decided to be less cynical about the behavior of others and mind my own media diet instead, while trying to understand it better in an objective way. I could go on but I won’t. At any rate, I hope you have a happy holiday season and thank you.
I'm 58 , 37 years sober and started reading 12 Rules,( 12 steps hmmm) got it for Christmas. The forward reminded me what I'm missing at work. Conversation, engaging debates. I love being wrong but it takes a lot for me to admit it. You gotta have facts . My former boss and I used to have great discussions. Former job in the army was filled with debate. All people of similar intelligence. Wish someone would have encouraged me in his way a long time ago. Oh well.
12 rules/ 12 steps? How about 12 eggs, or 12 months?the problem with the AA cult you’re marinated in is its compulsion to apply its, 1930s religiously doctrinated crafts to everything ,no matter how simple or complex.
To the person with a hammer, everything looks like a nail
I really like your name haha
Keep going! It's never too late to change some things.
@@jesusiscomingback8438 thanks Jesus!
Congratulations Mr Negative! Such a positive reflection 🙏
Thank-you for sharing!
Also, 12 hours. 12 months. 12 zodiacal signs and the corresponding 12 ages of the great year. It’s intrinsic, built into a lot of systems we still use, going all the way back to ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia.
Dr Paulhus’s work is fascinating. Why haven’t we heard more from him? Narcissistic Sadism is a public health crisis which begs a response from experts and authorities everywhere. How can we improve our world if it is not confronted boldly and without prejudice?
Cannot
I agree that narcissism is a public health criris...one of the problems is that many of the people at the top (in politics, and many other sectors) have dark triad personality types 😒
Because we are ruled by psychopaths?
Excellent discussion and thank you Jordan for not interrupting. Your def my current hero and advisor.
This summer I quit my drug addiction , I’d like to say thank you & god bless you Jordan. Your content encouraged me to get thru the fentanyl withdrawals & to be strong. I’m still a monster but it’s mostly tamed (not in all areas but I’m working on it). Missed you when you came to San Jose ,Ca maybe next time
Keep going! Sending a prayer for you.
Hooah!
Same brother..nice1 from scotland man..time to manup innit..25year smack behavior & this dudes bettrr than a meeting for helpn me change slooooowly.
No opiates in lifes gr8 but im oooooooold man🫠
Matthew, drug addiction particularly fentanyl addiction is extremely difficult to overcome, I commend you for that, I have been there, it is an uphill battle especially with yourself, keep the demons at bay you can do it! Sending positive vibes
Keep up the positive forward momentum! 🤘😎
As usual, great job, Doc. Keep fighting the fight. It never ends.
What an absolute role model you are sir.
A small YoutTube comment could never express my gratitude, not only have you bettered the life of every single person I now interface with, you helped to prevent the awful reality that could have been (and was) my life.
I resonate so strongly with both yourself and Dr Phaulhus across this entire discussion - words cannot explain.
The burden of putting forward your compassion, empathy, generosity, and vulnerability is no short of a miracle; I hope the foundation I create for myself will help me to do the same.
Thank. You.
Amen…❤
It's a solid foundation when you embrace your shortcomings substituting these with the 6th element of humility and honesty. I see and wish you continued success! God bless you 🙏🏻
@@mafia461 and you!
11:20 - Machiavellian
11:52 - Narcissists
12:10 - Psychopaths
13:08 - Sadism
14:00 - Psychopaths. Impulsivity
15:25 - Sadism. Hockey fights
21:20 - Anger
27:50 - Narcissists
29:00 - Jordan being agreeable
31:50 - Questioning absolute empathy
33:55 - A Billion Wicked Thoughts
35:40 - Women picking men.
44:25 - Sadism and Trolling
50:00 - Online life vs Real life
Thank you!
Thank You.
I also picked this up
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There all the same a fallen sprit nature 😢
Thanks for these top quality interviews, Mr. Peterson
Such deep work. Thank you Gentlemen. The new series ‘Exodus’ is off the charts. In my new state, I feel like I learned more in 2 hours than 12 years in school. Love it! Love you warriors ❤
I fully respect Jordan Peterson and all he does ❤ he’s a real human being, true to himself and true to the real Truth and Reality.
Justice for the Petersons 💯🙌🏻
Justice for the Petersons ❤️🙏❤️❤️🙏❤️❤️🙏❤️🙏 !
Agreed. But that two color suit has to go!
Justice for the Petersons? What's this regarding?
@@xrxs1020 There are people/higher-ups that are trying to shut out Jordan Peterson and silence his words of wisdom and truth, as well as destroy his career. He’s done nothing wrong, yet they treat him as though he’s spreading lies and whatnot. He’s a Great man and it’s both sad and ridiculous that anyone would want this man’s words to be known as ‘false.’
He deserves to be heard. He’s a brilliant intellectual and an amazing teacher, that only speaks the Truth to in depth. In my opinion, He deserves the Upmost respect.
@@BubbleOnPlumb the suit is extraordinary! It is awesome. Do you know what the two colours represent? He has tons of special suits that have special meaning.
I'm so relieved I'm not crazy or the only one who has been noticing these patterns in society and people, I've been sometimes attacked for voicing my observations when I see signs of narcissism or sadism in media or people.
Yes!
I haven't watched the entire video yet so maybe you've come to this conclusion on your own, but I've also been tempted to express concerns of my own to others online just like you've described. The main reason I hold back is because I think the majority of people see these kind of terms as super extreme and whenever they do see someone claiming that their favs have narcissistic behaviors or anything else they completely disregard that its simply a speculation and attack you for even thinking it, even if it was done out of genuine concern.
you are so not alone on that and what's going on is unreal, you are not crazy but it's a crazy world at the moment
I'm curious. We're you attacked by women? Men? Or both?
@@FreedomsResNovae both, but mostly men. I always cared about truth, maybe too much. I guess, these things make people uncomfortable.
I enjoy your talks, very much; thanks for speaking truth and spreading knowledge and leading people toward understanding.
This is incredibly enlightening. Thank you both!
interview more psychologists. This was one of the best episodes in a long time. Thanks JP!
Don't know but...How about Dr Robert Hare?
Jordan Peterson is an exceptional anomaly as most clinical psychologists are damaged goods on steroids.
@@DaedalusHelios And your credentials are?
@@DaedalusHelios If you are doing medical surveillance I am curious if that would include monitoring mental health issues. Also, if you are probably keeping current with your information where as yes, he is older and may not keep as current as he should.
I appreciate how you are giving a wider platform to highly-educated scientists, philosophers, and theorists. And most of all: how you LISTEN and give people room to discuss, explain, and/or respond... and give back just as much as you receive intellectually and conversationally.
It's remarkable
Its like the podcast rogan does but with a more akademic aproach. U can feel both of them genuinly want to know more about the topic
Yes ! Bring some more intelligent people to the table!
@@iFParasit good point
yes
I am grateful for knowledge like this! It is quite eye opening to the realities of those with whom we interact with in families, friendship, intimate relationships among others
Pleasureably enlightening and extremely interesting. I utilize this information in order to better understand different people at work and less so, in social settings. Increased understanding is invaluable for reducing potential stress evoked by not being able to assess motivations behind different behaviors. Dark tetrad types expend lots of energy which appears to me, to be somewhat self destructive. Much of this type of behavior seems to be defensive although it may superfiscially seem to be the opposite. Such behavior is driven by a deep sense of insecurity from what I have observed on a casual basis. I have more reading to do. Thank you.
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There aren’t many podcasts, probably none, or movies or pretty much anything in media these days, that can hold my attention for almost 2 hours. Thank you so much.
You need to expand your podcast library. JP has plenty of company. Two hours is nothing for long-form.
There's Huberman labs podcast
@@amarissimus29 Like what?
You covered my ex wife who has used police,courts, lawyers going to my kids schools and team sports, saying the most disgusting things and completely losing everyone in the process, Im an immigrant and to find myself at the hands of a malignant narcissist. I grew up in a tough neighborhood where there would be violent consequences. I do everything in my power not to get violent, I fight my inner demons every day. That’s what bring me into these conversations. To understand this complete barrage and To not be the smoke to her fire. Thank you Gentleman.
Stay strong brother, I've experienced the same, there's no good outcome in a situation like that but that kind of pressure can force us to learn very fast. It may sound crazy but one day you may look back at that as the thing that pushed you to really work out who you are and what you believe in. That was my experience anyway.
I dated a narcissist, but got out before it was too late. I'm friends with the mother of this man's child and I would never wish a narcissist co-parent on anyone. Document EVERYTHING in regards to the children and get things in writing. Stay strong. Educating yourself on what and why a narc does what they do is the best defense. Don't forget to take care of yourself, even if thats just a favorite show or cup of coffee.
Well said, sir!
❤️🔥 fantastic share.
The most important thing to remember my friend, a person like that wants you to get mad or upset. The derive sadistic pleasure from it and also use it as a control mechanism. You'll have to think long and hard about how to handle the situations long before they become a problem.
Wonderful. I am so glad to have found your work. Thank you!!!
I am a very HSP empath. I work in Cardiology for 13 years in the OR and Acute care setting. At times my Empathy has affected me greatly at work. I hold it in well but my nervous system and health can deteriorate so I have ti really care for myslef in a special way. I spend a lot of time alone
Thank you for expanding on these dark pathologies, it's always interesting and enlightening. I spent much of my younger years being overly agreeable and being taken advantage of. Thanks to you I have really grown over the past couple years, I have faced my fears and learned to set healthy boundaries. My life has improved so much. Thank you.
Me too. I was quiet and agreeable. I never thought predators were looking for someone like me. This us fascinating. I have been learning about the tetras and these hateful hate driven people since I was very young. I have memories burned into me, thank God.
One of these evil people came into my adult life as a supposed female friend, haha; that turned out to become serious trauma for me. Boy have I learned my lessons. I have learned. Oh she was and is a real phony.
Boy oh boy. Thank God I obtained these lessons.
She once said, " Maybe I'm a witch."
Yes. She. likely. Is.
This is awesome
@Danny Timms I'm not sure I would say "every time". There's nothing that I wouldn't say as myself that I would say anonymously, or do for that matter. I have said and done things ignorantly in the past that I wish I wasn't so ignorant about. But, I think it's important to always take personal responsibility for things that I do and say.
I have been lamenting over my extreme agreeableness with family members, spouse, sibling. It’s cost me so much. I have to rebuild myself now. I’ve had to loose a lot of what I deemed ‘nice’ about my personality in order to reclaim my personal rights. Part of me mourns the loss of my empathic self.
@@maidenmarian1 I relate totally with your post. I recently learned that my Mother was a Malevolent Narcissist & my husband is or was [if he can change] a Covert Narcissist. I am fortunate to have survived to be as old as I am. I was gang raped at 9yrs old in my own backyard yet as a teenager I walked alone at night for exercise & for enjoyment. Guess my guardian angels have had their work cut out for them with me. I trust & love too easily...& too much. Fortunately, I Forgive too easily as well. I tend to feel empathy for those who have an incapacity to love & feel empathy or mercy. What a miserable existence they must have. I love despite how often & how deeply I am hurt for it. As they say... it's better to have loved & lost than to never at all. ☺️💞🙏🏻
Is it just me? Or did Jordan seem like a kid in a candy story during this conversation 😊 So good to see him energetic and engaged after the last few terribly hard years. Such a great addition to my day.
He's Sheogorath! *_CHEEEEEEEEEEEEESE, FOR EVEERRRRYYYYYYONNNNNEE!_*
I was thinking exactly the same thing! He seemed so excited to speak with Dr Paulus! Love it!
@@ibrahimkuyumcu2649Oblivion: The Shimmering Isles
Then you gotta check out his podcast with Vaerveke.
I'd say if he's inviting interesting people to his talk, then he should allow to talk them more without interrupting.
Always looking forward to watching your videos.. Very enriching
I just want to let Dr. Peterson know that he has helped me in so many ways, even if it's just listening to him talk and share his brilliantly thought-out opinions on all types of matters. I have heard that his audience is predominantly male, but I'm a very loyal female listener and am grateful 🙏 to have all of this amazing knowledge shared with me~basically for free 🙏... I love listening to your daughter's podcast too, & you seem to have such a lovely family. I wish you all much health, wealth, & prosperity!! from here on out! Thank you again for being so open and sharing of yourselves to help others. It's really such an amazing act of selflessness and kindness. Lots of love & positivity....
Jen
Thanks Dr Peterson. This is such an important topic, especially for men. Just because something is easy, perhaps especially when it is easy it usually coming with a great cost. One could even argue that pornography can have a direct link to the sexless marriages and relationships we see these days. It is so crazy the times we are in.
It is heartbreaking the effects pornography has on relationships. This coupled with the current feminist movement leaves both men and women sexless and depressed.
@@totesmagotes3688 it certainly can. It nearly destroyed our marriage, though it was only symptom or byproduct…
Many young men had ED when with partners these days solely because of porn but have no problem when watching the horrible stuff, because they keep watching more and more hardcore stuff.
@@artsy1447 I was going to point that out. ED is a symptom of a sex saturated society.
@@artsy1447 ur an ED
Thanks for this talk and for shedding some light on the problems with narcissists. The huge supply of narcissism is hidden by the demand for depression, anxiety, PTSD etc etc.
this is such an important point
@@carlyav00thanks, yah I definitely think it's something worth exploring more.
@@goc6451 for sure. I've never thought of it like that before but it's very very true.
Some people are adept at finding excuses to exploit and abuse others.
@P in my opinion, with the acceptance of mental health issues in recent times as a normal aspect of life and the encouragement of people to express their experiences, the narcissists have identified the potential attention this can indirectly generate for the sufferers of the mental health issue for support thus jumping on to claim they too are sufferers but always looking for the desired reaction like attention. That's why I've seen countless posts over the years on social media before I nuked them all (bar YT), by people talking about mental health issues but they all want to lift the veil on their depression but no one wants to do the same for narcissistic disorder. I'm speaking from my experience, I don't know about you but I've seen many patterns with multiple people that I would say fit closely to what a narcissist is and they all gravitate toward the centre of people's attention. Social media, mental health(as I've said), gossip and when someone dies being when they really shine.
Dr. Peterson,
You appear to me to be an authentic, genuine, and emotionally empathetic person with a love for honesty, while accepting of the perfectly imperfect human state.
You are a voice of reason in a world of often madness. Please don’t ever toss your ideals for manmade idols. This planet absolutely needs healing through learning, tolerance and understanding at a time so many of us are afraid to even speak.
Keep preaching ur philosophy n ur teachings I thought I was really losing my mind in this world n seeing like minded persons really empower me. N build confidence in my beliefs.
These conversations feel so well spoken & easy to understand. Yet they are complex & powerful in real. JP is really amazing. God bless & protect him.
I think God does love and protect him.
poetry is like that.
All your videos have just been a slap in my face lately. I know I have to change my life or I am absolutely fucked. I’m glad you exist, never listen to the haters putting you down brother.
Nah bro you gotta definitely listen to the haters; but with discernment. If I hadn't listened to my "hater" bullies in school, I never would have known what to reform in my own person to better fit into social situations.
Haters have helped me learn what of myself comprise non-negotiable, rigid values and personality, from that which is extraneous and only served to make life more difficult.
I would rather hear from haters than acolytes, in an honest discussion of myself. Those who don't like me are far more willing to be honest than those who look up to me.
@@scottmatznick3140 fallacious.
‘Haters’ are motivated by a need to feel superior you shouldn’t listen to a single thing they say, ever. Their motivation for any critique is always negative. You might be able to rationalise some positive personal meaning from it but then you’re causing yourself more problems as you’re reinforcing a fallacy with another fallacy.
All you’ve just said is that people made you change things about yourself you weren’t strong enough to carry. That’s an awful message. You’ve become an amalgam of other peoples preferences not an authentic self.
Yeah, every time i listen to him, I know he right, but the force is strong with the porn…
@@scottmatznick3140 Agree ...listening with discernment. We're not an indiscriminately open trash can for haters, but I agree with the advice I heard long ago that if you really want to grow as an individual, give some attention to what your critics are saying. They have no conflict-of-interest incentives to be a yes-person (the people who love us often have something to lose if they tell us the truth, hence the timeless "have I now become your enemy because I've told you the truth?").
@@linneasimchah1621 …..mind spinning😅 here. Be brave , face the monsters & we learn exponentially. Rise from the ashes like the Phoenix into light giving ultimate peace.
YES! THIS is information!!! ❤ i love you jordan. And thank you for trying to bring light to these subjects. I only finished highschool yet i can understand everything you guys talk about. Great work.❤
Morality vs. desire
Lightness vs. darkness
Optimism vs. negativity
Human beings are way too complicated. But that is why we as a species are so interesting.
A compelling conversation between two well-versed scientists in the realms of psychology. Thank you for this.
psychology does not exist - there is neurology, but it's not for you
@Денис Соколов that's as absurd as saying that love or poetry or art don't exist. You might have legitimate arguments about the validity of psychology, but saying it doesn't exist isn't one.
@@chelseapoet3664 they should have said psychology is unreliable data, and neurology provides better output. Why say psychology doesn't exist when individual consciousness is evident, although vulnerable to degrees of manipulation?
@@electricanomaly there are plenty of psychological studies that provide reliable data. To dismiss all of it as unreliable is to deny the existence of thousands of peer reviewed, scientifically conducted psychological studies.
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20mins in, Jordan is really letting this guy speak so far. Good stuff.
Its always important to remember that Jordon's videos are conversations not interviews.
Jordan always let the other speak as free as they want.
@@Snowdog070
Jordan has a tendency to interrupt leading to missing key points of the person he’s speaking to.
He’s doing a good job avoiding that in this one. Good stuff.
@@AFringedGentian
I know this, I have used Zoom.
He is actually interrupting a lot, not a good interviewer at all.
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So interesting. How amazing to be cited 43,000 times. I often wondered how Narcissism and borderline were so intertwined. (After Depp/heard court case) it was all about borderline personality. And narcissism was 2000s or about the time American Paycho came out.
As someone who never studied Psychology, I think it's a great idea to do more shows about scientific research in the field. It's a niche you could easily and productively occupy. Great interview!
"Productively"?
Lol.
Psychologists like to talk about things they don't understand, because it gives them a sense of moral superiority while sitting around claiming to "understand" the actions of others.
It's the perfect job for a narcissist, ironically. Because you don't have to be involved in the difficulties of the real world, yet you can pretend to remain neutral and beneficial to your environment by putting forward minimal effort.
It's like being a politician but without the responsibility of putting forward a measurable result that can be judged by society because their ideas are not tested in the market, but only evaluated by their narcissistic peers.
@@dialecticalmonist3405 that’s a pretty depressing outlook 😅
@@dialecticalmonist3405 yes, "productively". JBP is visibly better off talking about the Big 5 than about "improving yourself to impress wamen" or whatever. Has more to say. Though I must note that a lot of stuff in this particular interview has appeared in his lectures.
@@dialecticalmonist3405 I would invite you to look into the scientific literature of differential psychology, personality, intelligence and neuroscience.
Psychometric research does look for quantitative and applicable metrics that can be applied to the general population. Both clinical and non-clinical.
If your outlook on this field is just "muh narcissism and politics", I'd suggest you search for how the G factor of intelligence was initially discovered and how we've expanded on theoritical models since then.
This is the perfect example of a psychological metric that emerges as a statistical aggregate. It is NOT some theory invented by some experts in a certain field like some would think and that's how psychological research is conducted.
Your issue is about inference from experts in any field (sociology, philosophy, clinical psych...), but the sole reason for quantitative psychology, psychometrics and neuroscience is to not do that, but to research emerging properties.
I believe Psychology should be taught at schools from an early age. To become aware of our mental matter and have its realm unwrapped around our daily activities would greatly make worldwide societies that much better. But, this is a wild pipe.
Thanks so much for what you do, Dr. Peterson.
Dr. Peterson, thank you! I've vastly improved myself, my outlook, and relationships. I'm moving forward, and that's huge. Just --- thank you, Jordan. I'm so grateful.
Dr. Peterson, thank you for opening up my mind. I was born with EB. They always said I'd need therapy, but I handled things really well as a kid. Until I got older I didn't see these problems really come out until my body started braking down in my early 20s. I wish I could talk to you in real life. I wish I could get your help to help handle my mental downfalls and learn to accept my physical decline. Idk what I'm doing. I'm disabled and have to live at home and I don't like it. I mean everything is great. I was just taught you grow up, get a job, and work for what you want. This has been hard for me to accept.
Praying for you🙏❤
Jordan, listening to your videos and your view points on many things has helped me turn a lot of things around in my life. As an Aus Army veteran, who sacrificed my physical and mental health during my service, I spent the better part of a decade eating handfuls of meds a day just to "survive". The past 2 months, off my own back, I've dropped down to 1/4 the dosage of most my antipsychs, and completely dropped my benzo's and quetiapine. If you had of asked me if I had thought this was even possible 6 months ago, I'd laugh at you. But I got fed up with being my own victim. My mind is opening up for the first time in a decade, I've also shed so much weight, I'm now back to what I weighed pre injury in Army. I've finally decided I want to live and thrive, and not just survive. Thank you for all that you do. Please tour Aus again when you can, I wasn't able to catch you last year
Wow Thank You for sharing. It’s amazing the vast amount of people who are helped by JP.
@@juliepucciariello7444 I've always been transparent about my struggles, in the hopes it may help someone else push through. As they say; Those of us who have experienced the most trauma, never want anybody else to feel like this, so I try my best to advocate for mental health awareness.
@@0ptions90 AND PLEASE DO ASK GOD FOR WISDOM TOO! HE IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE WISDOM TO ANYONE WHO ASKS FOR IT IN JESUS NAME .IT MIGHT TAKE SOME PATIENCE TO GET IT SINCE THEY GET MANY REQUESTS AND WE HAVE TO WAIT OUR TURN WHILE MAKING PROGRESS IN OTHER AREAS WHILE WAITING. READ THAT BOOK THE INCREDIBLE POWER OF PRAYER BY ROGER J MORNEAU WHO PRAYED FOR MANY PEOPLE AND GOT AMAZING AND SUPERNATURAL HELP FOR MANY WITH ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. I ALSO LIKE THE BOOK BY THE CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE SOUL PEOPLE CALLED ANGEL'S AMONG US. THESE GOOD ANGELS AND EVEN PEOPLE WHO DIED IN THE FLESH BUT ARE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT COME TO EARTH TO GIVE ALL KINDS OF PRACTICAL AND USEFUL AID TO MANY PEOPLE, WHICH I THINK THEY LIKE TO DO! THEY DON'T JUST PLAY MUSIC ON SOME CLOUD ALL THE TIME, THAT'S FOR WHEN THEY NEED SOME R&R OR A BREAK! THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND AS MY MARINE CORPS UNCLE TED BANKHEAD SAID " AIM HIGH!" VIA CON DIOS!🙏🕊️🎶🎵🌻🙏
@@0ptions90 I agree ... just having someone help me realize the mere possibility that my actions could cause others to suffer in the same ways I suffer (flashbacks, night terrors, panic attacks, etc.) made all the difference in the world.
Abuse has a way of making a person believe that their life does not matter. That's a bad trap to become ensnared in ... Too easy to forget others ... Too easy to forget what's real.
Life's better when we care about each other ...
Although people will sometimes hurt you (real freakin' bad, for what sure as heck seems like no damn good reason at all), I still think that "Looking out for #1" above all else will leave you with even more pain in the end.
Amazing opportunities present themselves when we are vulnerable and loving enough to risk everything of ourselves in order to put others first, or to stand up to evil in order to do what's right and good.
I saw a crappy show not too long ago that had some of the best dialogue I'd ever heard:
"You said I'd be a hero!"
"I didn't say you'd look like one."
Sometimes evil makes us think that doing the right thing hurts too much. It tries to get us to give up, turning evil inward (which will always hurt others, as well).
I guess we just have to keep looking down some dark hallway for that window that's flung open after the door was nailed shut 😉
Hi Dr. Peterson, I'm following your work from West Africa and it's helping me a lot in my daily life.
Just wanted to say thanks and also it would help us if we could have subtitles available for your video since English isn't my native language.
Hi Alex, there are free subtitle programs online. Just have a search and then you can put your own language's subtitles on the chat.
Good luck!
@@jittmet7766 thank you. I was hoping for at least english subtitles but I should have been more specific in my terms.
I'll look for those programs
Dr Peterson always a treat. Thanks
My experience with Female sadism has always been subtle yet long enduring abuse/suffering. Flies under the radar and is allowed by society to a degree. Especially in todays time. I see it heavily on the rise. I am, because of my nature, a magnet for these personalities. Lost a lot in my life to these types, whether they were a lover or a mother.
What do you mean
You can write some women!
You haven’t been with all of us!
"Can write some women" Not sure what you mean.@@Chris777.
@@zachnar0125 you wrote women
What do you mean?
You have a nice day@@Chris777.
@@Chris777.Well if you read more of the context he's already stated that it's from his experiences
It's not a far fetch to assume that "women" in this case, are the ones that he's met before who've done the abuse. He's generalizing the ones he's met, not all women of the world.
Thank you Jordan, I see ME for the first time! Thanks to the strength and conviction of your honest words, I'm now over 6 mths sober ( after 25 yrs of blind drunkenness)
If we drop our ego and pick up common sense...magic happens 🙏✨🙌
I hope... some how, some way... this message finds you Jordan Peterson. Thank you from the depths of my soul for everything you do and all the words you speak! My father committed suicide when I was 6 years old and until I found your psychology lectures on TH-cam many years ago, I was a lost soul with no purpose and no care to bear any responsibility in life. The way you convey your thoughts is palpable, and I feel as though most of these videos speak to me directly. You have truly changed my life for the better. I'm 36 now, I make my bed every day... and take great pride in being a General Contractor and the responsibilities that come along with it. I'm more focused on my family and being truthful with myself and those around me. It's hard to put into words what you have done for me. You are the father figure that so many of us were missing in our life, and I truly can agree that responsibility has given my life meaning, and it all started with just making my damn bed in the morning! I hope more young men hear your message and aren't afraid to bear the weight of their own responsibilities in life, because I have learned that it is what truly gives your life meaning and worth living!
Amazing... You're going in the right direction 👏🏾. I am just amazed.
Dr J, my name is Tshepo from South Africa. I really really enjoy and appreciate your work. May God continue to bless you.
Excellent conversation, as always.
I put off watching this for a while because I knew it could set off some sensitivities, but you both handle these difficult topics in such a compassionate and level-headed way, which allows me to absorb the information without being too disturbed. That is a talent, and a needed one. Thank you, both!
Exactly right
Old female here; when I was young, trying to sort some problem out by using the telephone, I would express my frustration in a way I would NEVER behave face to face. I was probably just coming into adulthood then. This happened more than twice before I had the insight that I was treating REAL people unhumanely. I did proceed on a rather circuitous route to maturity...still working on it! 😉
Oh yes! The game has evolved and its at break neck speed. How do we counter them when we figure one out, and 20 new evolved have sprouted.
to do:
more impulsivility
more sensation seeking
more inclination towards temptation
-- how to not get caught?
-- how to not be callous?
-- how to maximize the moment?
I really appreciate and enjoy how well spoken and well studied Jordan Peterson is.
Been waiting for a conversation on these topics. Excited to give this a listen!
LANA???
What a cross over
Dr Peterson really needs to fire his wardrobe team.
@@CulturedThugPoster it's kind of ironic seeing this comment when you are watching the video 😂
Remember fellas. Don't get married. Don't have kids. It's not worth it. Globalmans case proved that.
I love the fact that the internet brought out my narcissistic behavior reflected in slamming people for their stupid opinions. At first I loved doing it & so did those who watched because I loved taking on bullies & confronting them. Over time I realized it would contribute to my stress levels in a negative way as I found myself feeling apprehensive about the backlash that came back at me. Next I migrated to using more of my non-defensive communication skills but still kept putting barbs in my comments which was more like weaponized altruism. I just learned to set them up to make a comment that was clearly out of line but I'd pretend it was just an elephant in the room & let them conclude they were wrong by not talking about it.
Once I realized that (it was anti-social) I switched to developing a more fact-focused approach, honoring people as if they deserved honor, yet attacking just their ideas & making it plain that's all I was attacking. However once I realized that most people are so identified with their ideas that they are automatically triggered by criticism of their ideas. They get defensive as if I'd attacked them. I found myself explaining I was just going after their idea & that I regarded them intelligent & mature enough to confront - so would they show me that person & just address my challenge of your idea. But I knew I was still subtly manipulating.
I found that when I reverted to a more pure form of assertiveness (total honesty) where I give them the benefit of the doubt on all points & don't reserve any for prosecution. That was my goal - ultimately not to try & punish idiots for being idiots - but to honor whose image in which they are made but still challenge people's ideas. I admit I'm grateful to have practiced on so many strangers & gotten to the point where I like the person I am online & so do many of those who are capable of receiving benefit from connection oriented communication. Or so they have told me.
Frankly I find it odd that your thoughts in this discussion are largely centered around how negatively these topics are affecting us. However I think the fact that our hidden thoughts are coming out to be spoken & heard in the marketplace due to the anonymity & lack of linkable consequences. I'm not saying they are escaping consequences. I'm only saying they are not recognizing how their negative behavior may be setting up failures that they are not linking to the cause - which is always greatest with the behavior's effect on their soul - which is designed to repeat any event (type) that the soul's owner is in denial of.
I think people are learning at a tremendous rate from this confrontational hellhole of an internet. Learning to be stronger, more magnanimous, less sweating small things, & becoming better communicators as well as raising hopes & confidence in our mutual quest for more empathy-driven behavior mixed with firmness of resolve to live ones values openly through maintaining their own healthy boundaries.
Well, people may be learning how to communicate better online. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're able to communicate better offline, in the real world where people actually interact and stand before one another. After reading your comment, I can appreciate the self reflection within it, but you played too many games. That's my opinion. Nice that you seek to understand your mental games, but overall probably better to just stop that in general.
@@milfology1017 You're wrong about that. Communications skills, if learned at a basic level, are totally transferrable to any other communication. You obviously don't understand how to evaluate transferrable skills. Verbal communication is essentially making sentences that covey clear, unambiguous text, & easily understood meaning. If you can form sentences to write them down you can use the same skills to speak them - if you choose. Not everyone wants to communicate better. Some people just want to be antisocial like you are. Obviously those who are not here to learn anything won't. But of course they don't come online to learn how to improve anything - so they won't. Tough but nothing to do with what I said - which is that your outlook determines whether you learn anything or not. I'm guessing you haven't or you'd probably be saying - "yeah I've been doing the same thing". But you haven't.
@@SeanWysemanyou just did to that person what you said you are trying to avoid. And you make too many claims without evidence to back it up. People may be able to communicate on the internet well but it's not always transferable to actual human to human contact. Your not accounting for the fact that because we spend so much time on the internet, we aren't learning how to socialize in real life. This is happening to the younger generation. Instead of spending time together in person, many kids are sitting at home, in their rooms, connected to the internet. And there are a lot of other factors that come into play with real life communication. And without valid scientific studies, we truly don't know the answer to these things. You overestimate yourself and you make too many absolute statements based upon your own opinions. Without valid scientific studies, you go on to make absolute statements and then call someone stupid for calling into question what are merely your opinions. And further, to call this person "anti-social" for giving their opinion of your behaviors, (by the way, they were also gracious enough to give you credit for attempting to do some self inventory) is problematic. In what way did you come to the conclusion that that are anti-social? You appear to be someone who is quite comfortable with doling out criticism but you are rather unable to accept any. Your opinions, or rather your theories about internet advancing communication skills in real life, are just that, theories. They aren't fact. You've given us no studies or data to back it up. I'm not someone who likes to give unsolicited advice, but I would challenge you to be able to converse with others without having to insult. In my opinion, it shows confidence to be to do this. And even being able to admit your wrongs, not just to yourself but to others as well. That takes confidence and security within yourself. Knowing you can be wrong but still be a valuable, worthwhile person. After all, we are all only human. We all make mistakes. We all say stupid things sometimes, do stupid things sometimes. All of us are wrong sometimes. It's ok to be wrong. It's ok to be stupid sometimes. It doesn't mean we are absolutely stupid people. It doesn't mean we can't be capable and valuable at other times and in other areas of life. That, in my opinion, is a true confident person. The one who can admit they are wrong, especially when and if they're being called out. They don't need to hide behind a false sense of self or hide behind their narcissistic behaviors, for example. They know they aren't inherently stupid just because they make a mistake. I hope you don't take my comment as an attack, it's not. It's just a conversation. I enjoy communicating with others on the internet, especially when it evolves into a worthwhile conversation.
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oh my god, touch grass
Dear Prof. Peterson, please let your guests finish their sentences and thoughts. Thank you very much. 🙏 Much love. 💕
Very much concur with these things in my observations. Thank you for sharing.
It's hard to talk about sadism when so many people assume it's a purely sexual term. And it's a very important distinction - those who engage in consensual S&M, and those who torture people against their will for fun.
I found that fascinating because as soon as they spoke about sadism, it struck me almost instantly as a good description for my experiences on the virtual web.
@@cyberspace7208 (Low key) Yep.
“There might be one way to be a good person, but there’s many ways of being dark” - God, that’s a great quote 🤯
I didn't catch that one who said it jbp? I like the one about how being good is hard.
@@Smith.S.sStocHasticSs 1:03:35 into video
@@Smith.S.sStocHasticSs No, actually dr. Paulhus said it, I thought it showed some deep understanding of darkness
Jordan Peterson tweet on Twitter Dec 11th 2022 9.36am
"Elon is doing God's work by removing all child pornography from the wretched website known as Twitter. I myself have looked far and wide for child porn on here for the last couple of days and I haven't seen anything! It's becoming harder and harder to find..."
1:41:24 I remember in the 90s coming across kids who would play the online game 'Kill Barney' (the dinosaur). I remember that it meant nothing to them to behead, knife, blow up etc the cartoon dino. I was horrified at the time but I would say they all turned out pretty stable people. Same for the majority of violent video game players. How you can simply extrapolate character traits from a voodoo doll where you've already primed the subject to stick pins in it, is beyond me...
25 minutes listening closely while I work. Makes me look at myself a little closer. Thank you Mr. Peterson.