5.7L Hemi V8 Engine Comparison - 2003-08 vs. 2009+ - What’s the Difference? (Pre-Eagle vs. Eagle)
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- Today we are taking at look at Chrysler's 5.7L Hemi V8 engine with a major focus on the differences between the older and newer versions. The original was introduced in the Dodge Ram trucks in 2003, and by 2009 there was a revised 'Eagle' Hemi motor instead.
This engine has become a Mopar fan favorite over the past decade, found in performance-based vehicles like the Dodge Charger and Challenger R/T, Chrysler 300C, Durango R/T, and Jeep Grand Cherokee.
To analyze these differences, we will look at all of the specs of each, like which engines go into which vehicles, the power output, MDS and transmission, engine block and rotating assembly, cylinder heads and camshaft specs, intake and exhaust manifolds, and more! Watch along for an in-depth look at the 345 Hemi V8!
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My 06 5.7 ran great to just under 200K miles, then some guy rear ended me and it was totalled. It was actually quite reliable. I believe it’s because I switched to full synthetic oil early on, never missed an oil change, made sure sparkplugs were always good, and installed the SRT radiator. Never overheated.
How often do you change the spark plugs? My manual for my 20 rt says every 100k miles
@@2tooful just check them every once in awhile and replace when needed
From the sounds of it, Chrysler did a good job renovating the hemi. I'd honestly take a tick over a dropped valve seat (most likely because of the mds and/or overheating). Both expensive jobs yes, but youre basically not at a complete loss if a roller fails (as far as I can tell). I did enjoy this in depth video. :)
I agree with you, I had the dropped valve seat and motor was toast. At least with the lifters and cam you can be back on the road within a week instead of needing a complete rebuild or dropping in a new motor. Thanks for watching :)
@@MarspeedCars can you help me out
9/10 times the tick is just rusted exhaust manifold bolts vibrating
Impressive brother. Very informative, idk if you’ve done it yet but do 6.1 vs 6.4 HEMI next, cause now I’m curious
That’s a great idea I’ll do it as an upcoming vid!
@@MarspeedCars thank you for this info. I am not as scared of my 5.7 valve noises as I was.
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6.4 overall trash.
Best 6.2
Overall 5.7 better block for upgrades
Thanks, again I love how in depth you are in all of your shows. Great video!
Just re-visited this vid. This info is So Relevant. Good job bro. For the 2nd time!
Awesome video!! Thanks for sharing all your research!!
As always excellent work bub 🔥👍🏽
Keep up your great work you are awesome. I have learned a lot from you every time I watch your videos. I had a a 1970 challenger T/A and it was awesome and it was my first car.
I had a '70 Chally RT440, but my first car was a Rambler...with an HO 327 Packard engine, 3:55 GM Saginaw posi axle and steering, Torqueflite tranny, and a Walker tuned exhaust.
It really was an "American Motors" car!
MDS was available on the early LX (pre-2006) cars - my '05 300C (June 2004 build date) has it - never had an issue with that system, but disabled it electronically for aftermarket tuning and better long term longevity (the 5.7 is still running perfect today).
Correct I did the same
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Also increased the throttle response by 5 or 10 percent.. with the Diablo tuner
I enjoyed this video! 6.1 vs. 6.4 might be another good video.
Finnaly a pre eagle vs eagle hemi vid
Excellent video , thank you i needed to hear that!!!!!!
I literally drop everything when you post a video.
Super glad to hear it thanks for the support man!!
@@MarspeedCars all the way from South Africa.
Finally, someone makes this video 👍
Great video 😎👍
Great info 👍 Thank you very much 🙏😌
Great video. Wish we had more stats on the lifter/cam issue.
Great content as usual. Hope you can do one exactly like this for the Pentastar V6. I have a V6 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee and was initially bummed knowing I missed out on the 2016 changes/upgrades (with the exception of engine start/stop). Wondering if those upgrades affect long term life of the Pentastar.
For the 1st time since I started driving, I have a vehicle that I'm still in love with, even after 7 years. Yes it devours gas with my lead foot, but that's offset by not having car payments (which I definitely appreciate given the current economic climate). I plan on keeping this vehicle for a few more years so I'd like to know that it will hold up ( just hit 80,000 miles). I'm in the minority, but I'm not in love with the new model like everyone else is. Since waiting another decade for a new model isn't an option, I'll probably go with a newer, used WK2, hence the curiosity of the upgraded Pentastar's differences.
The one thing the older hemis had was a better sound.
I really like how you go into detail great job , Love our hemi keep up the good work buddy
Thanks for the support much appreciated :)
I got one. I'm Changing my oil more frequently than they say to. Keep the oil clean as possible.
I love your videos!!! Huge fan! I hope you can get to 1 mil subs!
Appreciate that thanks for the support!
Good work
Good job👍
I have a chrysler 300c 05 with the first gen Hemi. It still runs smooth at 140k miles. I did recently replace intake manifold gasket, valve head gaskets and the throttle gasket. I also always made sure I ran mid to high octane gas. Runs like brand new now.
Hm was all that?
Which engine oil are you running ?
Great video! 6.4 next
I agree with what someone else said I'd love to see a history video for the viper.
I can guarantee it will be coming in a few weeks!
Probably my favorite motor to hit the market, just the sounds and performance it puts out is perfect and it is capable of making more power although u won’t see it making 2000hp you don’t need that this motor is meant for a car you drive around the block and have fun with
Great Info as always Marspeed. A shout out to Reignited aswell. You guys know your stuff. Love this engine
Can you make a vid on the history, performance, and the engineering of the gen 2 hemi and big blok magnum engine/ 6 pak?
Thank you for the excellent video and valuable information. I put pre-eagle engine into a 2009 Cherokee before I knew about the crank sensor changes from 32 to 58 teeth. The engine starts but stays in limp mode. Anything I can do besides tearing the engine apart to swap in the correct ring?
Hi marspeed! Plz do a video on the 2011 pentastar v6 and the newer ones in the 2017+ Jeep Grand Cherokees!?
Hey pal,
you seems to know your stuff better than 99% of other TH-camrs.
All I`m asking is a yes/no advise on 2013 Durango 5.7 and worth the upgrade of long headers, air intake + ECU remap for better overtaking experience?
I don't race Hondas and BMWs, just wondering if its worth investing time and money into making the 365hp hemi and 65RFE transmission to a more adequate package to drive?
Cheers man.
God speed to you.
Another great vid!!!!!!!!! 👍👍👍
Marspeed you should do a video on the 6.1 hemi vs 6.4 I'm curious could I run 6.4 heads on a 6.1 block and stroke it
Got a 05 rumble bee and been dead reliable with 190k also have 06 Daytona with 120k had a hemi tick but went away still running but only use that for weekends now.
I think you misspoke around 12:02 but awesome video. It's great!!! Thanks!
So if I'm understanding this correctly my 1998 ram1500 & 2007 ram2500 have the same bell housing bolt patterns? I can dismount my 5speed(manual) from the 318 magnum & directly bolt it to my (gen3)5.7 hemi?
I have a 2003 in my truck. Has run perfectly and just turned over 200k miles. The only repairs have been the front seal, water pump and alternator. I keep it properly maintained and have been using 15-50 oil. Compression has only dropped by 5lbs. I understand these later engines have had multiple problems. I will keep my 03, I am the only owner as well.
I have a 2014 RT with 128,000 miles also had a 2018 for some reason I feel like the older one has more torque and power even tho it’s still a 5.7
Great info, i've always wondered why the trucks have more power, ithought it was just a tune, but it is the different intake runner and cam.
So if I get a eagle block and get rid of the vvt and mds and change the relctor ring can I use that block in a pre eagle truck ? My truck is a 05 with no mds
im using an early hemi block with eagle heads best of both worlds!
is there a difference between truck vs lx style engines? other than the throttle & throttle body ?
Awesome video. If you do a cancellation video of the dodge viper you probably going to have split into 2 or 3 parts, because the viper had 5 gens & i know you don't want to cram everything into 1 video.
Thanks for the support! Yeah I have been trying to start that Viper vid for so long but it will be a huge video so we’ll see, maybe the 2 or 3 parter is a good idea
Was it ever released as to why the car versions of the Eagle have a passive intake manifold versus truck version? The 6.4 has an active IM from the factory.
Thank you
Hey Marsspeed🙋🏽. Quick question.. Can I put an 05 dodge ram 1500 engine in my 06 dodge charger r/t? I'm trying to see If their interchangeable
Small correction, 06 wasn't the first year of MDS, my early production date JGC, 02/05, had MDS when I purchased it
Excelente 👌
I have a question. I have a 2006 charger but a new engine was put in 2013 from a aftermarket company b4 I bought it. Is there a way to find out if I have a pre eagle or eagle engine just by looking at the engine? I want to put a new cam in and not sure what one to buy
On another video they claim the MDS actually helps prevent lifter wear, due to the extra oil galley that activates the MDS is under higher pressure to activate the system ... the leftover extra higher volume oil get distributed to the rest of the lifters... but who knows?
My 2005 Magnum 5.7 is stock and original running gear. It is equipped with MDS.
got a 2010 hemi police charger wondering if it this is a good motor and if it has cylinder deactivation
If im not mistaken Wasnt the Hemi also replaceing the Magnum 8.0l V10 For the 2003 Model Year as well? Or was it the common rail That did Lol
Hey brother been watching your videos for quite some time big fan of your content my question is are theses hemi’s reliable or not I would really appreciate your response thank you and god bless
I recently bought a 09 Challenger HEMI 392. I am a GM guy but this car is awesome fast safe reliable just great ! Had to put that in here !
There’s no 09 Hemi 392, maybe it’s the 6.1L engine?
Hey man sorry I can’t get back to many comments but was scrolling through and saw this now! I would say they are fairly reliable but there is simply a higher likelihood you’ll have to fix things down the road. The 5.7 and 6.4 have the lifter and cam issues around 100k miles, doesn’t affect them all but it’s something to look for. The 6.1 Hemi is pretty much bulletproof though. Tough to say because I’ve Seen lots of stories where peoples’ Hemis last 200-300k miles, and lots where they fail prematurely. I wouldn’t say it’s the most reliable engine out there, and I wouldn’t say it’s the worst. What alternatives are there for a performance V8? Most will be in the same boat for reliability in my eyes.
Im a mopar person, but i got to admit, there's nothing like a v8 chevy engine
Could you make a comparison video to other boat engines?
So can i Put crankshaft from eagle to pre-eagle?
Can you do a video on the 6.1/6.2/6.4
@4:36 That's so interesting that dodge decided to make the most power from the 5.7 in the 09 Aspens and Durangos at 399HP! Thanks for compiling this chart. Theres a lot of misconceptions about the hemis hp in different vehicles
My ‘09 Challenger has over 400 hp. Did you forget those cheap little cars ?
@@8241jb123 how much did u spend on it?
are u sure about the mds?? i have a 05 300c & it had mds. i got rid of it when i upgraded the cam
Is the 2008 and the 2009 5.7 have the same connecting rods and crank shaft
@marspeed do you think having 3inch exhaust from the cats back on the preeagles loss back pressure?
Absolutely, I wouldn’t do 3inch unless you’re pushing over 500 HP. 2.5” all the way, with a mostly stock motor you just don’t need that extra room. Might sound good but 3” won’t be optimal for performance. Even SRT and 6.4 cars have 2.75” not 3
I have a 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with a 5.7 Hemi.
I love it! My daily, or least it was until recently. I let my wife take it to work and take her Jeep, a 2015 Jeep Patriot. Good car but no balls with the 4 cylinder
You got your MDS data wrong, I have it on the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Unlimited.
The exhaust manifold bolts break usually near the rear of the manifold because of the design of the manifold. All the cylinders exhaust collects to the rear exit chamber causing that portion of the manifold to expand much more than the the front cylinders. The needle bearings in the lifters fail because of low oil volume being produced at idle . The best solution for that problem is a high volume oil pump in the pre eagle engines. However in the later model VVT engines because of the lengthened crank snout those oil pumps will not fit . There is currently no manufacturer making high volume oil pumps for those engines. Although a K&N high volume oil filter is available bringing a higher volume of oil to the lifters at idle. Switching the exhaust manifolds to a header and increasing the oil flow makes these engines much more reliable engine.
Both Melling and hellcat oil pumps fit
There’s tons more information about this issue online nowadays.
I dont think its a design flaw, I think its crap lifter bearings from china and mexico..
I liked this comparison between the two engines, I have seen the flaws in both. Sooo the question
is can you mount the Eagle heads on top off the Pre Eagle engine and have the best of both worlds.
The MDS is a failure waiting to happen, so it will not be used. What do you think.
Will it work, and what other parts would have to be changed??
Yes you can mount the eagle heads on the pre eagle just longer hydraulic pushrods and you can delete the mds system
Are the 3.6 Ltr dodge chargers having problems?
Watching this cause i might be able to snag a beat up 06 ram big horn hemi was going to get it and put the hemi in my 01 ram 1500 4x4 ram if you delete the mds so it runs all 8 all the time and is the pre eagle a good engine or would i be wasting money
Do one on the 4.7
Has anyone tried Ceratec in a R/T?
My 05 jeep I recently bought has a 5.7 hemi nice clean Florida, has 190 k I have a diablosport on it and it had mds on it which I tuned out, after watching your great video does that mean I could possibly have had my engine replaced before I bought it?
No way of knowing really unless you pull it out or have someone super knowledgeable look at it and recognize some weird shit. I would assume the previous owner would have used the “newer” engine as a selling point though if they had changed it out
@@MarspeedCars figured as much bought it at an auction, just after watching this saying the 06 and up had mds and the 05 wasn't mentioned, gonna do some hunting in the pcm w a scanner and see if I find any, cool channel pal
I have a 06 chager hemi with 250k miles and its still running with no tick so you can get a lot of miles from the old hemis
I have an 06 Jeep 5.7 with 194k miles and still running strong.
My 14 Charger R/T has 117k mikes and also giving me no troubles
@@H1storybr3akdown Yeah these hemi engines run forever if you take care of them !
I have a 2010 5.7 grand cherokee does anyone have any idea how i can reliably supercharge it?
I have a slight exhaust tick on my 09 300c. Goes away within 15 seconds, headers and OEM gaskets with new bolts will fix that up. How much is a header install ?
Your hearing things....
I think the new hemis look good with the engine cover and all.
Old ones had a cover as well, just a slightly different font/Dodge ram-head logo for the LX vehicles. Trucks always had the cover but looks way better now
I like the police ones with no covers
Hello, sir. I have a question. 5.7 hemi engine friendship with gas or no ?
the 5.3 vortec has the same exhaust leak problem
My 2017 Ram is having no issues. (Except the unconnect being virtually useless). Only has 57k miles however.
Anyone have a chrysler aspen with a 5.7? If so what have you done as far as performance? I need some ideas for my 07 Hemi Aspen
I actually have an Aspen. I’m thinking about exhaust, cold air intake, Diablo tuner. If you wanna put more $$ in then definitely do a heads and cam package and add headers, it’ll be a beast
Valve seat drops from heat because of high revs and poor cooling by the radiator and oil pump, which both were updated.
Sweet
Great video, very detailed, thank you. Simple question - will the cylinder misfire in the Eagle trigger Check Engine light, or should be recognized by the consequences as power loss, low RPM or rough idle?
Simple question without a simple answer unfortunately! That one I’ve heard that it can be tough to detect. So it won’t throw the code every time, what you describe can also be symptoms. It’s tough because it’s a gradual thing as it wears down and taps over time, and eventually it gets to the point of replacement but you don’t always get textbook symptoms. Anything power loss would signal something major to me though especially when combined with the other things you said
@@MarspeedCars Appreciate reply and explain. Thank you!
@@MarspeedCars my 2011 5.7 hemi jeep grand Cherokee has MDS with vvt. @5:47 your pic says vvt with no mds but I can assure you when it goes into eco mode it's shutting off 4 cylinders and isn't as snappy in throttle.
Yes, and yes. The 'tick', as mentioned in the video, is a result of the roller slapping the cam instead of rolling across the surface of the cam lobe. As this progresses, it is literally wearing the surface of both the lobe and the roller on the lifter which will result in the valve not opening as far as it should. This will cause power loss on that cylinder (as a side note, more than one lifter of the 16 can certainly develop this issue at once) and eventually lead to power loss as there is not a proper air/fuel mixture entering the chamber. Once the computer detects the cylinder imbalance, it will show a code and the dash light will come on. It can happen quickly, and it could seem fine for a long time. It all depends on how "stuck" the roller is, but any indication is a sign of a downward slope towards a costly repair.
@@Nick_Gir rule of thumb, most all automatic equipped hemi's have MDS, except for the 6.1 SRT engines, and the heavy duty truck engines. Manual transmission equipped vehicles did not get MDS. All Hemi Jeeps will have MDS, except for the 6.1 SRT. To the best of my knowledge, all auto equipped 6.4 SRT's will also have MDS, which would include the SRT Jeep GC.
I got a couple questions for the Chrysler 300c because I have one my self it’s a 2005 and I got a lot of issues with it
What was wrong with it
imagine making the financial decision to buy a Dodge ram 3500. And you get it with a 5.7
The only thing that separates a ram 2500 and 3500 is the leaf springs. Otherwise it’s literally the same truck, same weight. I have a 06 ram 3500 with the 5.7 hemi. It runs fine
Wait min I doing something wrong
I got 2008 hemi with 500,000 on it
2019 hemi with 170,000 on it
And 2021 with 100, 000 miles on it
I got no hemi tick
Or no broke exhaust bolts
I using 5/30 Walmart full synthetic oil
Change it every time it gets down to 50 percent
Am I doing it wrong ?
Wondering how my 16’ challenger rt manual with the 5.7 will hold up. At 42k miles now
It'll be great, just take car of it.
That's nothing. My 15' Charger RT just hit 96k and feels way quicker and still sounds like it did at 16 miles!
Thanks for the video a lot of great information.. That Is exhaust leak broken head boltIs a big deal .. It will ruin your motor
13:21 Chrysler has had a bunch of different engines with valve seat problems. I can’t speak for them all simply because when they fail the heads are trashed so I’ve never had them milled but I just did a head gasket job on a dodge 3.6 which are known for vale seats and when the heads were on the mill you could tell the aluminum was super soft it came off in long string pieces like when ur drilling through soft metal and so much so the pieces we’re scratching the head surface. You take soft aluminum and over heat just a little and that’s it.
Didn't you already make this video before ? Or am I thinking of a different video but similar swear seen a video by you b4 comparing the 2.
Just the beginning part I compared in the Hemi Flaws video (I feel the need to do it again in case people only watch this video and not that one), the rest is entirely new/different
@@MarspeedCars a okay thought so . Thought I was crazy for a minute tho 😂 keep up the good work man love the videos
I had the lifter issue but mine hit right around 65k to 70k miles thankfully I caught it super early apparently so no damage to the cam just a teardown and replace the bad one.
What year?
Just for info I got a MDS in a 2005 Dodge Magnum so it's not in 2006+ year only
So the scat pack engine is bad ?
Does this include the 5.7 in our 2021 Durango?
Yes it’s the eagle hemi (2009 and up)
What do you mean by "this"? The lifter thing, no not really, they updated the lifters it shouldn't be an issue. Just do your oil changes and use good oil.
MDS beginning In 06 would that mean my 05 300C doesnt have it? I thought it did
Yeah I just doubled checked and was actually wrong on that, it first started in the 2005 300C, Magnum, and Grand Cherokee. 2006 was the first year for the trucks, Durango, Commander
Well some how I'm confused. my 2005 Chrysler looks like it has the eagle not the pre-eagle but I must be looking at it wrong. got like 230,000km on it an it sounds brand new still.
Someone probably replaced the engine with that mileage.
Hi I have a 2010 chalanger 5.7 rt manual transmission w/blown motor but I have a 2005 magnum hemi 5.7 out of a dodge ram no mds can I use the top end of the 2010 5.7 RT and put that on the 2005 magnum 5.7 hemi and drop it in the 2010 rt chalanger
Please help me
I could seriously use your advice on this
Thanks
I don't see why not, it can be risky though to do that kind of work on a tired engine. You'll have to research things like push rod length as well. The '10 pushrods might work but I'm not sure.
Do the 3rd gen hemi vs the new 392 hemi
Same engine.
The lifter failure is car from as common as you imply in this video.